Speaker 1: Hi, who is this.
Speaker 2: My name is Ivan, and thanks for taking my call there.
Speaker 1: Of course, Ivan, you're so man, you're so polite.
Speaker 2: No, I get that a lot. It's most awkwardness, but
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You get this a lot, You get a lot that
Speaker 1: you're polite.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would certainly say.
Speaker 1: So tell me more about that. Why do you think
Speaker 1: you're so polite?
Speaker 2: Uh? Oh? Man, Well, I can go through the years
Speaker 2: of therapy. But it's it's probably like a that's mechanism saying.
Speaker 2: It's like a way to see not off putting, but
Speaker 2: also kind of show the people, Hey, I'm a cool dude.
Speaker 2: You can talk to me. I won't, you know, be
Speaker 2: too terribly weird, you know, one of those sorts of
Speaker 2: things interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting the way you phrase it, is it like, is
Speaker 1: this a way of being that you have designed and
Speaker 1: perfected or is it just something that came naturally to you.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's absolutely a mask that has been perfected over
Speaker 2: the years. That is without question. I'd say it's probably
Speaker 2: not too fake of a mask. It's more like a
Speaker 2: defense mechanism thing where it allows me to kind of
Speaker 2: be friends with people that I meet in life and
Speaker 2: I don't know I guess it's just always worked for me,
Speaker 2: so I kind of stick with it and I kind
Speaker 2: of like it in some ways. Some ways, by the ways,
Speaker 2: that's not so great, but I think in most ways
Speaker 2: it's Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't know if this is rude to ask, Okay,
Speaker 1: go for it. Do you have Do you have autism?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, I think that about myself, although I've asked
Speaker 2: a lot and no one's in my therapy history like
Speaker 2: made that diagnosis. If I am, and I do believe
Speaker 2: I'm somewhere on the spectrum, it would be like probably
Speaker 2: some form of high functioning thing. And if it's anything
Speaker 2: deeper than that, it's probably something like, you know, verbal
Speaker 2: communication is my thing, where like I hyper fixate on
Speaker 2: how a much speaking, what I'm talking about, all this
Speaker 2: other thing, you know, hyper aware how people are talking
Speaker 2: to me, and basically all the typical queue based stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd say it's probably not too far Interuth.
Speaker 1: Well, because I know that they were talking about you.
Speaker 1: You know, do you watch do you watch the rehearsal
Speaker 1: by Nathan Fielder? No, But I'm interested, okay, because they
Speaker 1: talk about masking, they talk about autism on that show
Speaker 1: and they talk about masking, and I know that that
Speaker 1: is like a like like that's a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's It's been brought up in past conversations
Speaker 2: with you know, therapists I've had where I talk about that,
Speaker 2: and the way it kind of comes back is, I mean,
Speaker 2: it really depends on what era of my life, but
Speaker 2: most of it has been like, hey, you know, you're
Speaker 2: sort of trying to protect yourself while also trying to
Speaker 2: be you know, the person you say you're trying to be,
Speaker 2: which is difficult to deny yourself, to hold yourself to
Speaker 2: like a high standard, all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: it's like anxiety induced but also like a seeming effective strategy.
Speaker 2: But it's it's weird. I don't know, I just know
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm a little kooky, and most people seem
Speaker 2: to be okay with it.
Speaker 1: Is is that exult like masking? And do you do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're performing? Do you feel like you're
Speaker 1: like having to put effort into existing in in an
Speaker 1: intentional way?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, definitely, if I mean I can be a
Speaker 2: little more open and to say, like, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the one of my little weird quirks is I'm
Speaker 2: constantly talking to myself in very strange situations. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm taking a shower, I'm walking down the road. I'm
Speaker 2: constantly rehearsing conversations in my head with imaginary people or
Speaker 2: real people in my life. And it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a way to prepare myself for what I know to
Speaker 2: be awkward conversation or a way to kind of like
Speaker 2: feel the emotion ahead of time. You know, that's all
Speaker 2: kind of been trained into me, at least to understand
Speaker 2: the words for it. But I think it's been around
Speaker 2: for a long time in my history of just how
Speaker 2: I interact with people. But it does get very tiring.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be opposite, depending on like the people
Speaker 2: I'm around. I can be almost motive, almost energized by it, because,
Speaker 2: like you know, if you're being kind of a kindly person,
Speaker 2: other people kind of react to that in a kindly way,
Speaker 2: and so it kind of perks you up. But on
Speaker 2: the days where that's not quite so easy, you know,
Speaker 2: the control I like to be in my computer room
Speaker 2: and do my computer the things, so you know, just
Speaker 2: just messing back.
Speaker 1: Bro, you absolutely have to watch the rehearsal.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm opening up the Googles.
Speaker 1: Now, do you know do you know who Nathan Fielder is?
Speaker 1: If you ever heard of Nathan for you, I.
Speaker 2: I haven't, and I'm pretty sure I need to. I
Speaker 2: don't know things about the modern world I've been under
Speaker 2: for basically all my life. So I'm happy to th
Speaker 2: all about it though.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, now you should, you should. You should watch
Speaker 1: the rehearsal. It's well, it's extremely funny, but be maybe
Speaker 1: it'll maybe it it'll you'll connect with it in that way.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, okay, So that's what I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you, is it's like that way of being where
Speaker 1: you feel like you're performing and you you kind of
Speaker 1: answer my question already. But that must be exhausting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you a part that I
Speaker 2: don't quite like about it is oftentimes when it is exhausting,
Speaker 2: it becomes almost a bit of a resentment sometimes, which
Speaker 2: is where the therapy comes in, because there's a part
Speaker 2: of me that tries so incredibly hard to kind of
Speaker 2: be there for the other person, you know, to kind
Speaker 2: of be at their conversational level, and if it's not
Speaker 2: feeling like it's returned, well, there's you know, there's the exhaustion.
Speaker 2: There's that you know, sort of feeling of, well, you know,
Speaker 2: why aren't you trying in the same way I seem
Speaker 2: to be trying. And then you know, sometimes it makes
Speaker 2: you try harder, which is more tiring, and I can
Speaker 2: already feel myself finally.
Speaker 1: M m hmmm. So that does that make you feel resentment?
Speaker 1: It makes you feel Okay, So you're having a conversation
Speaker 1: with someone and you're putting like all your fucking effort
Speaker 1: into having this social interaction, and it's like taking everything
Speaker 1: that you've got to have this social interaction, and you
Speaker 1: can tell on the other ends that the other person
Speaker 1: is not either having to or even wanting to, put
Speaker 1: in as much effort as you're putting in, and then
Speaker 1: that leads you to resent that person, is what you're.
Speaker 2: Saying in a weird way. Yeah, and maybe it resents
Speaker 2: the wrong word, but it makes me feel disconnected and
Speaker 2: sort of even more awkward, you know, even more aware
Speaker 2: of the fact that I'm doing what I'm doing. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I guess some of my closest friends that
Speaker 2: I've had in life have been people that don't make
Speaker 2: me feel that way. I guess people that just kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, automatically, I guess rock whatever it is, I'm
Speaker 2: thrown at them. And you know, I think that's also
Speaker 2: tell you why I tend to have I've had very few,
Speaker 2: very close friends in life. I made lots of acquaintances
Speaker 2: that lots of people, you know, very friendly to them. Uh,
Speaker 2: and you can kind of get along with folks. But
Speaker 2: in terms of close personal relationships, yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 2: it's very admitted. In fact now is it's kind of
Speaker 2: why I was I was calling in because it's sort
Speaker 2: of related to what's going on in life now. Is
Speaker 2: just I'm probably at the least number of personal connections
Speaker 2: I have, and I'm just you know, reaching out to
Speaker 2: the world to see what other people think about that.
Speaker 1: I guess I was actually about to say, I don't
Speaker 1: think your situation is not uncommon by any stretch of
Speaker 1: the imagination, because A it's dude, it's really in general,
Speaker 1: no matter who you are, it's really really hard to
Speaker 1: find people that you feel strongly connected with, that you
Speaker 1: feel like get you, that you feel like even for
Speaker 1: even for people who who don't have you know, strong
Speaker 1: uh uh uh impulses to to to mask themselves. Like
Speaker 1: for for it's hard to find people that you can
Speaker 1: connect with. It's hard to find like the experience of
Speaker 1: feeling like you're putting an effort into connecting to people
Speaker 1: and that you're not getting it back. A. I've had
Speaker 1: that experience in my personal life. Uh, constantly, constantly had
Speaker 1: that experience in my personal life. And B I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a a very universal experience. So
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: makes you feel I don't know if that makes you
Speaker 1: feel any better about the fact that.
Speaker 2: You're experiences weird. Yeah, I know it's because it's not.
Speaker 1: That's no, it's not a weird thing, especially because you
Speaker 1: seem like, I don't know, I've only known you for
Speaker 1: nine minutes or so, but you seem like a like
Speaker 1: a like a smart, aware, you know, conscious person, And
Speaker 1: when you're that, it's harder to it's harder to connect
Speaker 1: with other people. It's just in you know. But on
Speaker 1: that But the good news for people who have trouble,
Speaker 1: you know, finding finding those connections is that when you
Speaker 1: do find those connections, even if they're not you know,
Speaker 1: on the quantity side of things, even if they're not
Speaker 1: like a lot, they're they're very deep connections, and that's
Speaker 1: worth that's worth a lot, you know, So you could
Speaker 1: if you wanted to do a quantitative analysis of how
Speaker 1: many friends you have, I think that that's a it's
Speaker 1: it's not the right analysis to be doing, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's if you if you find people that you
Speaker 1: can connect with on a deep basis, I mean, that's rare,
Speaker 1: I think, especially for you know, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: you know, as as I get the sense that you are,
Speaker 1: you know, a smart, conscious person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I I mean the longest friendship I've had
Speaker 2: was since I was maybe fifteen or sixteen, and the
Speaker 2: person I was friends with I would say I very
Speaker 2: much had that connection with and because of going through
Speaker 2: a lot of personal just sort of nonsense and choices,
Speaker 2: I basically push that person away. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: one of those things where I certainly try to re
Speaker 2: establish a connection and and talk, but it's it is
Speaker 2: very difficult because there's the connection to part of like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well the person I am now the person that I was,
Speaker 2: is it worth it. There's a fear to that. It's
Speaker 2: a silly fear. I know, but I do miss having
Speaker 2: that sort of a lot of connection. So at least
Speaker 2: knowing that, hey, I am, in fact in a populace
Speaker 2: of other humans are doing the exact same thing, and
Speaker 2: get goes. I suppose it's not too it's not too bad.
Speaker 2: It's good to them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you said you specifically wanted to call in
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Uh, I wanted to let you
Speaker 1: speak your piece for a second, like what, yeah, what
Speaker 1: exactly tell me like of the situation that you find
Speaker 1: yourself in.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's it's not too complicated, but it takes a
Speaker 2: little bit of context. So if I go too long,
Speaker 2: please just let me know.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: So the context is, you know, I mentioned I met
Speaker 2: this friend when I was fifteen or sixteen, and he's
Speaker 2: my friend. He was my friend until I was you know,
Speaker 2: mid toly twenties. And the reason I met him was
Speaker 2: I was playing a video game long time ago, Go
Speaker 2: Darky Camelot, No anyone recognizes it, Go you. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I was also playing a lot of
Speaker 2: card games Pokemon to TCG is, playing out the tournaments,
Speaker 2: got lots of friends, you know, traveling the country kind
Speaker 2: of thing, you know, and so you know, basically my
Speaker 2: closest friend, my closest friends in general, my family kind
Speaker 2: of revolved around this hobby that you know, put my
Speaker 2: friends through college, put me through college because of scholarships.
Speaker 2: You know, I had a lot of amazing stories of
Speaker 2: mine come from being a part of this. And of course,
Speaker 2: over that you know, period of time, I developed quite
Speaker 2: a collection of just Pokemon arts. Never mind all the
Speaker 2: other fun games, but just Pokemon cards, you know, for
Speaker 2: well over a decade. So I mentioned, you know, going
Speaker 2: through therapy. You all with different problems in life. And
Speaker 2: in the last ten years, almost eleven, now, I was
Speaker 2: in a very i'll just say, very unhealthy relationship and
Speaker 2: I'm now seeking divorce from the person. But you are married,
Speaker 2: and yeah, we were married, and it was not a
Speaker 2: good choice I would say to do that, but I
Speaker 2: did make that choice. Now I'm trying to help myself
Speaker 2: by making that. I suppose, and I can tell you
Speaker 2: details if you're interested, but that the relationship was really
Speaker 2: what caused me to push away my friends, my family,
Speaker 2: and a lot of other things just just in general.
Speaker 2: So the reason I'm mentioning that is when I was
Speaker 2: leaving that relationship and kind of trying to reach out
Speaker 2: to family and friends. I reached out to my mother first,
Speaker 2: and I was in Yankton, South Dakota, of all places,
Speaker 2: and I met some friends there who played Pokemon really
Speaker 2: all kinds of games, and I was really excited to
Speaker 2: take my collection, and so, oh my gosh, it's been years.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have this. I can't wait. Hey, Mom,
Speaker 2: you know, can I can? I can? I can? I
Speaker 2: come back home get my stuff and come back and
Speaker 2: kind of heal and do this stuff with my friends
Speaker 2: and a bit of silence, And through a very long
Speaker 2: conversation I found out that two years prior to me
Speaker 2: calling her, she had sold the entire collection for a
Speaker 2: very princely some of one hundred thousand dollars, which is
Speaker 2: actually a very undervalued amount what the collection was. What
Speaker 2: fu Yeah, it kind of broke me.
Speaker 1: And that break that fucking breaks me. Man, goddamn, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's that breaks my fucking heart.
Speaker 3: So I.
Speaker 2: I it really sucks because I understand, or I was
Speaker 2: made to understand, and I think part of the niceness
Speaker 2: is where the problem comes. But that apparently they needed
Speaker 2: the money of some kind, and I understand that but
Speaker 2: that amount of money. And this is not to brag.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to put myself in another position. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that I could have helped them pay whatever
Speaker 2: they needed for and they never contacted me. And the
Speaker 2: reason they said is because, oh, well, you know, you
Speaker 2: stop talking to us, and we didn't know if you
Speaker 2: liked it anymore. And I kind of gave them about
Speaker 2: a year to talk can kind of be around him,
Speaker 2: And I realized in the last few months that I
Speaker 2: really couldn't reconcile this. I really couldn't, you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: it was it was. It was almost one of those
Speaker 2: things that you know, strawbook broke the camel's back of
Speaker 2: talking with them, because you know, in the last few years,
Speaker 2: I've also seen the people they've become. They are not
Speaker 2: very you know, They've always treated me with an amazing
Speaker 2: amount of love and care and respect my entire childhood,
Speaker 2: but as I grew in into an adult, I saw
Speaker 2: their beliefs and habits change like a lot of people's have,
Speaker 2: which is very unfortunate. And them having done that to me,
Speaker 2: I realized was probably the biggest portrayal of my trust
Speaker 2: and confidence and care of publicative ever experienced, and I
Speaker 2: have almost no desire to ever talk to them again.
Speaker 2: And it really hurts because the same person that you
Speaker 2: know you sent a minute or two ago, was smart
Speaker 2: and you know, willing to chat and be friendly, is
Speaker 2: also struggling with not talking to his parents because of
Speaker 2: you know what other people call a collection of cardboard,
Speaker 2: you know, and so you know, I it's it's difficult
Speaker 2: because I don't know what I want to do, how
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do, what or why I'm doing what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I just know I don't feel good and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to defend myself for the first time. But
Speaker 2: really I saw him I wanted to kind of talk
Speaker 2: about with Hey, listen, this thing happened to me. I
Speaker 2: don't exactly know what to feel. These are the choices
Speaker 2: I'm making and what does that sound like to you?
Speaker 2: And from your first response it sounded like, yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of a big deal. But please, now that I've said
Speaker 2: everything and you can feel free to share wherever you
Speaker 2: got there.
Speaker 1: Well, a few things. One is you said, I you
Speaker 1: it really caught my ear when you said this guy
Speaker 1: who is uh uh? You said, I said, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy who is uh?
Speaker 2: Fuck?
Speaker 1: What did you say I'm polite and willing to talk
Speaker 1: to people. He said, Oh, this guy is polite and
Speaker 1: willing to talk to people, won't talk to his own parents.
Speaker 1: First of all, human beings are immensely dynamic, so you
Speaker 1: can be multiple, you can be multiple contradicting things once
Speaker 1: and at different times and in different contexts, and you
Speaker 1: know they're all true. So when I believe that, but two,
Speaker 1: I mean, damn man, I'm sorry to hear that. I
Speaker 1: know you know, just well, it's more than just cardboard, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I mean your parents taking your shit
Speaker 1: and then selling it. By the way, what kind of
Speaker 1: Pokemon cars did you have that were worth one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: Everything from the very first base sets and miss prints.
Speaker 2: If you're a collector, you know, things like Shadowish chars arts.
Speaker 2: I add a first edition one of those that's already
Speaker 2: three thousand there, everything from the base set all the
Speaker 2: way up to probably a few years past, the you know,
Speaker 2: groupy Sapphire series.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think that's so fucked. I think
Speaker 1: that's fucked man, your parents, I do. I think that's fucked. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't tell you whether or not. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I can't ponder for you whether or not you
Speaker 1: should have a relationship with your parents, but like I
Speaker 1: do think that is fucked that they sold your Pokemon
Speaker 1: cards for that much money. I mean, even if it
Speaker 1: would be I would be if they threw them away,
Speaker 1: you know what it's here the thing, right, if they
Speaker 1: threw them away out of just ignorance, because they were
Speaker 1: just you know, they're old, and they're like, uh, oh,
Speaker 1: these are his old toys. He doesn't need these anymore.
Speaker 1: Right if it was like if it was like that,
Speaker 1: that would still piss me off on your behalf. If
Speaker 1: it was like that, that would still piss me off
Speaker 1: on your behalf. But at least you could chalk that
Speaker 1: up to like ignorance, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: this was like to take them and sell them for
Speaker 1: one hundred grand behind your back. That's fucked. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's like willful fucked up nicks. You know it.
Speaker 2: It hurts. And the part that hurts the most is,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned that, you know, when I was young
Speaker 2: and even to late late young adulthood, I guess you know,
Speaker 2: my mother was what I consider to be one of
Speaker 2: my closest personal friends. I guess my father is a bit,
Speaker 2: you know, a bit of a bit of a more strange person,
Speaker 2: but you know, still loved him very dearly, and so
Speaker 2: you know, I recognize, you know, when I had that
Speaker 2: conversation that she was sad and she said, well, I
Speaker 2: didn't really mean to. But the problem is, like the
Speaker 2: relationship I have with them is that is that the
Speaker 2: reason I feel this way is that this is something
Speaker 2: that they chose to do because they knew that I
Speaker 2: was the person that would just turn the other cheek
Speaker 2: and accept their choice. And I know that myself, and
Speaker 2: I know that that's already in my head, and I
Speaker 2: know that that that they'd go, okay, well, if we
Speaker 2: do this, all we have to do is say sorry
Speaker 2: basically and be sad, and he would accept that. And
Speaker 2: I know that they don't want to feel that either,
Speaker 2: but I know that that's the dynamic, and I don't
Speaker 2: want that in my life anymore. And it makes me
Speaker 2: very sad. It makes me sadder than I've ever made
Speaker 2: because I'm turning into a place well, I recognize that
Speaker 2: I'm trying to change as the personally stronger, better, more connected,
Speaker 2: and I'm aware of these choices they've made. But as
Speaker 2: I've tried to talk to them about this, you know,
Speaker 2: as I tried to bring it up, it was annoying
Speaker 2: that the resistance, and in fact, the last time I
Speaker 2: talked with my mother it was almost a three hour
Speaker 2: screen match where and again there's very little extra context
Speaker 2: to this, but because of she she I wasn't calling
Speaker 2: her enough, she contacted my partner and said that if
Speaker 2: I didn't contact her soon, she would call the police
Speaker 2: for a wellness check. And I had just called here
Speaker 2: and texted her like two days ago and constantly do
Speaker 2: but this that, that over helicoptering or something, and it
Speaker 2: just it snapped. And when when when I snapped? And
Speaker 2: we got in an argument, which is unfortunately very common.
Speaker 2: When we're like that, all the truth comes out, so
Speaker 2: to speak, or at least the raw stuff, and she
Speaker 2: said something that made me realize that, no, that's actually
Speaker 2: how she felt. I said, you know, you know mod
Speaker 2: this this thing you did, you know, you have to
Speaker 2: understand it was a major portrayal. And one of the
Speaker 2: reasons I have difficult talking to you is because I
Speaker 2: don't know how to express this to you. And she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: Jesus says that stupid collection again, and I realized that. Okay,
Speaker 2: I understand you said it in anger. I understand you
Speaker 2: said it meanly or you said it to kind of
Speaker 2: express your whatever, But that meant that, really, deep down
Speaker 2: you did think it was some stupid collection. It meant
Speaker 2: that you had chosen the value or maybe it become devalued.
Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't, and and I recognized it.
Speaker 2: Then I recognize it now and it just hurts and
Speaker 2: it it It both feels good to hear someone else going, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous, and also like, yeah, well you know why,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of with it. It's just, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here, supposed to go back to work in
Speaker 2: a few minutes, and I just want to know, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just wanted to share that and
Speaker 2: ask questions and kind of get a response because, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, I totally recognize it's a collection of cards,
Speaker 2: but to me, it was an identity. It was a
Speaker 2: person that I grew through. It was something that I
Speaker 2: could go to. Hell. I remember being crying in California
Speaker 2: on the floor, thinking, you know, I'm in this terrible
Speaker 2: relationship but I could think about this cool past that
Speaker 2: I have and someday I'll get back home and I
Speaker 2: look at those cards again and they were gone. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about it. And so anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: talking quickly.
Speaker 1: And I'm no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no at all. What's your name again? What's your
Speaker 1: name again? Man?
Speaker 2: Ivan?
Speaker 1: Ivan?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Mmm?
Speaker 1: Do you just you fucking you just you just spit, bro,
Speaker 1: you just I mean that was you really just spit
Speaker 1: right just now?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 1: That was? That was powerful. I'm I'm being that serious
Speaker 1: because when you the way you said that, you were
Speaker 1: like fuck sheet like that that that really it breaks
Speaker 1: my heart man, Like when you were like, oh, she
Speaker 1: knew that she could she could sell those cars because
Speaker 1: she knew that I wouldn't put up a fight about it.
Speaker 2: Quite really hurt when I've realized it hurt. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I don't know that. That's just my
Speaker 2: story in that now, I guess.
Speaker 1: I then, oh, man, I know you got to go
Speaker 1: back to work soon. But what what else? What else
Speaker 1: is going on in your in your life? I'm invested
Speaker 1: in your art, I'm invested in your development. I'm I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's because you're yeah, man, well yeah, what's
Speaker 1: going on? What else is going on in your in
Speaker 1: your universe here?
Speaker 2: All right? Well I mentioned the divorce that's also been
Speaker 2: weighing very heavily because uh got it. It's mentioned in ARC.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I thought back, like, it's
Speaker 2: been this three years. What feels like is just un
Speaker 2: ending BS. So okay, super long story as short as
Speaker 2: they can make it. Three years ago the partner that
Speaker 2: I'm divorcing from now and I decided to leave who
Speaker 2: we were living in California and live on the road
Speaker 2: and a trailer thirty five up the trailer pickup truck,
Speaker 2: you know, driving around state state, living in the trailer
Speaker 2: full time. I'm a software developer. Yeah we'll get there,
Speaker 2: but living so software developer and I could work remotely
Speaker 2: and do my thing. But when when you already have
Speaker 2: problems in a relationship and then you put them in
Speaker 2: a smaller box and you see that person even more
Speaker 2: often with even less ability to have personal space or
Speaker 2: work on problems, and the person you're with is already
Speaker 2: sort of spiraling, it makes things worse. And I realized
Speaker 2: in those almost two years that things weren't working. Constantly screaming, fighting, yelling,
Speaker 2: all sorts of terrible stuff. And I snapped multiple times
Speaker 2: mentally in terms of, you know, just screaming in a
Speaker 2: Walmart parking lot, yelling at nothing because as my only outlet.
Speaker 2: So that'll happen over the course of two years. And
Speaker 2: I found myself in Yankton, South Dakota because of some
Speaker 2: other nonsense not even worth just just just not more nonsense,
Speaker 2: South Dakota with my partner at the time, and filed
Speaker 2: for divorce because she was I was paying for her
Speaker 2: to live in a hotel for months at that point,
Speaker 2: I was also staying in a hotel. We swapped off
Speaker 2: back and forth in the list. This is not a
Speaker 2: relationship that I can I want to be a partner
Speaker 2: of her try to fix anymore. So filed for divorce
Speaker 2: and that was two years ago, and through three separate lawyers,
Speaker 2: two of which had completely failed to life, remain in
Speaker 2: contact with me, and just disordered to go. I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was a thing, but you could totally be
Speaker 2: ghosted by a lawyer and there's not much you can
Speaker 2: do about it. If the lawyer just start stops, decided
Speaker 2: to talk to you your own choices to get another
Speaker 2: lawyer turns out, and so you know, I'm constantly fighting this.
Speaker 2: You know, this this partner of mine who I fught
Speaker 2: to mention this. But when I was still in South
Speaker 2: Dakota and she was living in the hotel for a
Speaker 2: while when I served with when she was served with
Speaker 2: the papers a few days later, I found out she
Speaker 2: called a friend of hers from California, who then flew
Speaker 2: to Yankton. She showed up at the trailer's door that Saturday,
Speaker 2: collected all their things, and decided to drive with this person,
Speaker 2: drive with the truck that pulled the trailer to California,
Speaker 2: effectively stranding me, stranding me in the state. And I
Speaker 2: had you know, that's a whole nother story. But so
Speaker 2: this is the kind of person, you know who makes
Speaker 2: these sort of decisions. But the reason that card story
Speaker 2: came up is because when I was dealing with being
Speaker 2: stranded there and trying to go to therapy and trying
Speaker 2: to find some something to stick to, I found a
Speaker 2: friendly local game store. And in the family local game store,
Speaker 2: you know, just owned by a few friends and parents
Speaker 2: of that I met them at the time, but just
Speaker 2: incredibly welcoming, incredibly caring people. You know, and you mentioned
Speaker 2: how how rare it is to find someone to connect with.
Speaker 2: It is amazing you said that, because it's exactly what
Speaker 2: I found. I found a friend who I'll keep his
Speaker 2: name because I don't want to, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to assume these He's okay with being talked about.
Speaker 2: But I've already mentioned the city and states of oops.
Speaker 2: But the idea is I very much connected with these people,
Speaker 2: and one person in particular was an incredible, incredible boon
Speaker 2: to my life. And uh, it was because of that
Speaker 2: that I called my parents and said about the thing,
Speaker 2: realized the cards, and you know, I was doing okay
Speaker 2: because I had them in my life. But since then,
Speaker 2: I've moved on from the state to another states because
Speaker 2: I couldn't, you know, being in the same trailer at
Speaker 2: the same spot for a year and a half after
Speaker 2: seeking divorce was like, I can't stay here anymore. So
Speaker 2: I moved now in Minnesota for a little while.
Speaker 3: But I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 2: Like as short as I can make the last few
Speaker 2: years and a bunch of weird stuff, but it's it's
Speaker 2: why I'm calling anybody who will listen. Is because you know,
Speaker 2: I have all these weird things. It's very hard to
Speaker 2: find someone who has a similar lifestyle that could relate,
Speaker 2: or who even wants to listen. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: so strange. Sometimes it sounds completely unreal. It does to me,
Speaker 2: and I I don't know. I'm I'm the kind of
Speaker 2: person that needs data points to kind of figure out
Speaker 2: who and what I'm doing and why. So that's that's
Speaker 2: kind of where I am now. I'm in Minnesota asking
Speaker 2: a gecko how the heck I be a human? So that.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, if I just want to make sure I'm
Speaker 1: understanding the current. Do you do not still live in
Speaker 1: a trailer? No?
Speaker 2: No, I I moved out of the trailer and I'm
Speaker 2: actually currently living with someone else now, which is also
Speaker 2: part of the difficulty.
Speaker 1: Person a romantic someone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's romantic. And just to be completely transparent and open,
Speaker 2: you know, I met this person many many months after
Speaker 2: I filed her divorce. After the person after my partner
Speaker 2: has gone to California never to be seen or heard
Speaker 2: from again.
Speaker 1: Basically, and how are things going with this person?
Speaker 2: Pretty well? I find that my relationship scars continue to
Speaker 2: come up it once in a while, and uh, and
Speaker 2: you know in terms of like expecting fights when I
Speaker 2: don't need to having habits that I shouldn't have because
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with someone who was abusive. But you know,
Speaker 2: together we're we're we're doing okay. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: they also are very understanding. I've also told them the
Speaker 2: whole story and they completely understand it. You know, oftentimes
Speaker 2: they were much in my corner two with you know,
Speaker 2: what's going on, and I try to make sure that
Speaker 2: they're aware of what's happen. And it's also helped me understand,
Speaker 2: you know, it's what I'm going to normal or at
Speaker 2: least do you do you see my behavior as at
Speaker 2: least reasonable host what I'm going through. Most of the time,
Speaker 2: I just get a long stare. I'm like, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: doing okay. But you know, the constant questioning is a thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, m hm hm hm.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. You're asking Gecko how to be a human? What
Speaker 1: is that? What is? What does what does that mean?
Speaker 1: To you? Like I'm trying like if and I don't
Speaker 1: know how much of what you I don't know how
Speaker 1: much of that is is is tongue in cheek, But
Speaker 1: what is what is that journey of I am trying
Speaker 1: to be a human? What is that? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I am very much convinced the only thing that I
Speaker 2: don't have the ability to ever know while alive is
Speaker 2: what it means to be alive. Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: WHATSS is. I have no idea what it is, how
Speaker 2: it defines me. I just know I'm here and I'm
Speaker 2: experiencing it.
Speaker 3: Yes, so yes, I've been told.
Speaker 2: And I've read and I've lived as much as I have,
Speaker 2: and basically everyone says, well, everyone's got their own place
Speaker 2: in the universe. So you know, maybe if I can
Speaker 2: constrain down what I need to worry about to just
Speaker 2: like the human stuff, maybe that'll make me okay on
Speaker 2: the long run. Like if I don't have to hear
Speaker 2: about the metaphysical stuff and the space travel and all
Speaker 2: the other things I like, I just worry about the
Speaker 2: eating and the breathing and the other life stuff, maybe
Speaker 2: I'll have an easier time. And you know, I'm an experimenter,
Speaker 2: so I like reaching out to whatever and anything I've
Speaker 2: can find, and that includes I guess interspecies communication.
Speaker 1: It is funny. We're actually engaging in a form of
Speaker 1: interspecies communication right now.
Speaker 2: That's true, true.
Speaker 1: So I actually I get you on a lot of
Speaker 1: what you just said. Of yet you can literally this
Speaker 1: has literally just been my my arc for the year
Speaker 1: is that you can absolutely lose your you can endlessly
Speaker 1: lose yourself in pondering over the metaphysical and pondering over
Speaker 1: consciousness and those things and people, many people throughout the
Speaker 1: history of existence have get this. Spent their entire lives.
Speaker 1: They didn't have personal lives, they didn't have Many people
Speaker 1: have spent and to this day, spend their entire lives
Speaker 1: prodding at those questions professionally and writing about them and
Speaker 1: exploring them and reading about They spend their whole lives.
Speaker 1: And you know what, they never come out with an answer.
Speaker 1: They never there's the ever come out with an answer.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they ever will. I don't know,
Speaker 1: if I don't know, if you know, humans came up
Speaker 1: with a lot of answers. We came up with, like
Speaker 1: you know, we we get to tell the story of evolution.
Speaker 1: We get to tell a lot of stories. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that we don't have answers to like
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, like the metaphysical, the consciousness stuff,
Speaker 1: that stuff is gonna be answered by beings more conscious
Speaker 1: than us than we that we can't understand. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: the fucking AI supercomputer ship that is gonna answer. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's that and we but it's not. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be us. We've determined it's not a and but we
Speaker 1: got to answer a lot of questions. We got to
Speaker 1: do a lot, we got to answer. We got to
Speaker 1: we like like, I was watching some fucking YouTube video
Speaker 1: about evolution and this guy's like, this guy's like really
Speaker 1: understanding his place in the universe as a human, and
Speaker 1: he's like, whoa, it's so cool all this shit happened,
Speaker 1: and we are the species that gets to tell they
Speaker 1: to tell the story and and all the metaphysical stuff.
Speaker 1: I genuinely just think we're not you know, our species
Speaker 1: and whatever our consciousness is. I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 1: be the ones to answer those questions. It's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be like, uh, you know, whatever, the whatever chat GPT
Speaker 1: looks like in a thousand years is gonna have answers
Speaker 1: to those questions, but not not us. So so listen.
Speaker 1: If it's so fascinating to you and so cool to
Speaker 1: you and pulls you in its direction to think about
Speaker 1: these things, and you feel honored as a human and
Speaker 1: as a conscious being to be pulled in those directions,
Speaker 1: and you're being pulled in those directions from places of
Speaker 1: love and from positive emotions, then it's a great it's
Speaker 1: a great place to be pulled. But if you're being
Speaker 1: pulled to them by OCD and fear and uh, oh god,
Speaker 1: I need to have an answer to these things or
Speaker 1: else I'm not gonna be okay. You're you're, you're running
Speaker 1: a fool's Errand because there's no you, you, you must
Speaker 1: accept that your your, your consciousness in its current form
Speaker 1: and its current biological state, ain't getting there. Many people
Speaker 1: tried forever and they never got there, and they never
Speaker 1: will get there because it's impossible. It's beyond us. And
Speaker 1: so again, if you're being pulled in those directions from
Speaker 1: a positive place, from a place of love, it's great,
Speaker 1: it's an honor. But if you're being pulled at them
Speaker 1: from a place of fear and anxiety, it's like you're you're,
Speaker 1: you're chasing a fucking dragon. You know you're never gonna
Speaker 1: get there, so so accept that and then be like,
Speaker 1: uh uh, I'm gonna explore these things from positive place
Speaker 1: and then focus on the human side of your life,
Speaker 1: which is connecting with other people and eating food and
Speaker 1: and and drink water and playing fucking Pokemon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you. I I I'm unfortunately have to
Speaker 2: go now. But I rarely want to say that. That
Speaker 2: perspective you said about it's so I guess respectively, it's
Speaker 2: it's okay that you know I'm not going to figure
Speaker 2: out the hard stuff is a perspective I wasn't ready
Speaker 2: to hear, and I'm happy to hear it, which it
Speaker 2: wasn't great, I'm happy. So so listen. I let thank
Speaker 2: you very much to you and group to letting me
Speaker 2: just go on for a while. I feel mentally better
Speaker 2: for having chatted with anybody about it, and again, just
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. And I hope you and
Speaker 2: the viewers and anyone else listening have have a wonderful
Speaker 2: everything else they have.
Speaker 1: So thanks, thank thank you very much. Having good luck
Speaker 1: to you man. Cheers, Okay, take care, take care Ivan. Damn.
Speaker 1: I like that guy a lot that I was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I was cool. I I I hope, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope. I hope he is he lands
Speaker 1: in good directions, uh for himself and figures figures some
Speaker 1: of this ship out. Yeah, I know I clicked on.
Speaker 1: I clicked on what he was talking about with like
Speaker 1: the obsession over the metaphysical ship because whatever, everyone, I
Speaker 1: don't shut up about my existential crisis on this podcast,
Speaker 1: but that's a lot of what it was about. And
Speaker 1: I even expressing that, even like I even talking to him,
Speaker 1: just now expressing that. I like, I like, like, in
Speaker 1: this moment that I'm recording this ship, it's clicking to
Speaker 1: me that that's the fucking that was that Like that,
Speaker 1: that's the sauce, right there is. I was obsessed with
Speaker 1: those things on a you know, a from a fear
Speaker 1: based state, you know, looking trying to like calm anxiety
Speaker 1: by finding by looking for something that doesn't exist. But
Speaker 1: you can't do that because it doesn't exist. So yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: what what else? Pokemon? Pokemon are good, They're cool. I
Speaker 1: feel you know, I feel I feel bad for Ivan,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to throw pity at him because
Speaker 1: I think he's just smart, do I say, Adam, I
Speaker 1: know his name is Ivan. Phil. I don't want to
Speaker 1: throw pitt pity at Ivan because I know he's a
Speaker 1: smart guy and I and I think he'll I think
Speaker 1: he'll persevere in some way. It's hard. It's hard if
Speaker 1: you're a smart guy like that to find other people
Speaker 1: to connect with. But he's got a lady in his life,
Speaker 1: I think from what he said, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. But I really enjoyed having that conversation. Hello, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up man? What's your name? Aiden?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: This is the therapy gyek Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, this is yeah, dude, we've never spoken before,
Speaker 1: have we. No?
Speaker 3: No, I've been a big fan of you for years. Man,
Speaker 3: it lives for a while.
Speaker 1: Oka. Guess that's so cool. You know what's funny is
Speaker 1: I I gotta I gotta be so honest with you, Aiden,
Speaker 1: I this is just an expression of my life arc is.
Speaker 1: I think I only I think I only started to
Speaker 1: be I only think I think I only started to
Speaker 1: be able to enjoy this whole thing recently. I think
Speaker 1: I was. I think for most of it, I was
Speaker 1: so caught up in the stress of it that I
Speaker 1: couldn't like really sit and enjoy it, and only and
Speaker 1: recently I've I've been just like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: cool thing to exist in, you know, because when you're
Speaker 1: like trying to i don't know, like build something up,
Speaker 1: stressful and you're you're in the moment of it too
Speaker 1: much and so you can and you can't really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But lately I'm enjoying it, Like in this, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is so cool that to have, especially yeah, after
Speaker 1: five years, to have someone listening for for that long. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm I'm I'm really I'm really sucking myself
Speaker 1: off right now. So I'm gonna I'm gonna no, I'm
Speaker 1: sucking myself off. I'm sorry. I take back everything I said.
Speaker 1: I I I yeah, I'm sucking myself off. What's up
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: Aiden?
Speaker 1: How's life?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good?
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Oh that is a bit weird right now. So I
Speaker 3: just graduated last year and until he's like, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: last year. I'm kind of like in between trying to
Speaker 3: figure out stuff in my life and stuff with jobs
Speaker 3: and just personal life, trying to fit into everything that's new.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: What's new?
Speaker 3: Well, I just started working with my dad. So I
Speaker 3: used to work at Starbucks and I worked there for
Speaker 3: a while. But then my dad he does like this
Speaker 3: den repair thing, and so he needed help with the
Speaker 3: business because my cousin originally worked with him, but he
Speaker 3: went to a different state to start working somewhere else,
Speaker 3: and so I'm now working with him, and so it's
Speaker 3: a whole There were different schedules that used to be
Speaker 3: only like night shift and stuff like that. So waking
Speaker 3: up early in the morning, it's nothing I'm not used to.
Speaker 3: But also just being on the heat a lot more.
Speaker 3: And I live in a desert, so it's like a
Speaker 3: hundred degrees especially in the summer.
Speaker 2: This is real hot out here.
Speaker 1: What are you in Arizona?
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm a I'm in a Vegas.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, So what's your dad's business that you
Speaker 1: work for him doing?
Speaker 3: Oh well, so he does like painless den repair. He
Speaker 3: works to like a couple of the rental companies out here.
Speaker 1: And before that, you were at Starbucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, before that was we're going at Starbucks. My
Speaker 3: buddy he got a job at Starves and he got
Speaker 3: me the job there.
Speaker 2: I mean, which is fun.
Speaker 3: Probably the most social job I've had in a while. Now,
Speaker 3: it's kind of more We're just trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what to do with myself because I enjoy what I'm
Speaker 3: doing working here, but outside of this, I'm not really
Speaker 3: doing anything. I'm kind of still trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what I want to do a long term.
Speaker 2: I guess what.
Speaker 1: I what have you been What have you been thinking
Speaker 1: about in your thinking? What have you been leaning towards?
Speaker 3: Man, There's a few things here and there I've been
Speaker 3: thinking about. Like, I know, private investigation is sometimes been
Speaker 3: interested into looking for, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 1: You want to do you want to become a private investigator?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always seem like a something I would probably
Speaker 3: enjoy doing. I think I don't just seem cool. I
Speaker 3: guess I don't know. I don't really have an exact
Speaker 3: go online.
Speaker 1: Why do I feel? I feel like Vegas is ripe
Speaker 1: with like private and investigators that like that, like investigate
Speaker 1: whether or not like guys are cheating on their wives
Speaker 1: with strippers and ship.
Speaker 3: Most likely honestly like people. The fact that people get
Speaker 3: married out here is kind of crazy to you to
Speaker 3: go with it.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go why don't you apprentice, Why don't
Speaker 1: you go find a private investigator? That would be sick man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you should do. That would be so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should go to find a private investigator in Vegas.
Speaker 1: And uh, he's like, so you want to get into
Speaker 1: the PI business? Do you think you're ready? And you
Speaker 1: have to submit to him and he may he makes
Speaker 1: you like go fetch him cigarettes and stuff like he
Speaker 1: hazes you. Like that is actually legitimate suggestion, is you
Speaker 1: could go be a pledge for some other some like
Speaker 1: you ever seen Nathan for you?
Speaker 3: Uh no, it doesn't ring a bell.
Speaker 1: Like that, Brian wolf guy.
Speaker 3: I think so maybe that could be cool.
Speaker 1: What do you do? What do you know? What do
Speaker 1: you usually do when you're not painting painting houses? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: did you say painting houses? Or am I making that up?
Speaker 3: Well, you're actually kind of you're kind of close in
Speaker 3: the nose. I do paint touch up.
Speaker 1: On cars, Okay, okay, but yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Just do looking to your recon and all that, which
Speaker 3: is actually what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1: What else do you think you might want to do
Speaker 1: with your life? Aiden?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I really don't know. I'm still trying to think
Speaker 3: of ideas and stuff like that, and it doesn't really
Speaker 3: help because I got a little bit of pressure for
Speaker 3: my family on it, maybe because stuff like I've thought
Speaker 3: of in the past don't pay that well. And my
Speaker 3: parents are very like, oh, if he isn't making more
Speaker 3: than this and that, I don't want you doing it
Speaker 3: and this and that, And they don't mind if I
Speaker 3: go or do like They don't mind if I do
Speaker 3: or don't do college or do a trade, just something
Speaker 3: that's going to pay more than what I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: more or what my dad's already making, you know, And
Speaker 3: he makes a good amount of money, and so it's
Speaker 3: kind of the pressure almost being like I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's not the pressure just being like him, I guess,
Speaker 3: but I don't mind. My dad's an amazing guy, and
Speaker 3: I always strived to be like him as a person,
Speaker 3: but what he does is a lot of hard work,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if I'm cut out for it.
Speaker 1: How old are you?
Speaker 3: I'm about to turn nineteen, like next month.
Speaker 1: All right, cool? Cool? Interesting? What were the things that
Speaker 1: you were saying that you want to do that don't
Speaker 1: make a lot of money.
Speaker 3: For a while, I always wanted to bartend, but obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not twenty one and close to that
Speaker 3: for a little while if they ain't coming to the
Speaker 3: option yet. But I know my parents my fans kind
Speaker 3: of inhaled me by that idea, and maybe we're gonna
Speaker 3: start just kind of scratch at inch of ba. So
Speaker 3: I'm not really as wanting to you know already the
Speaker 3: drink making all that, and I still don't mind trying
Speaker 3: to do that, but I don't know, I just don't
Speaker 3: have any big goal ideas yet.
Speaker 1: I love, but you sound like you really enjoy like, uh,
Speaker 1: front facing dream you like you some people, some people
Speaker 1: their dream is to to work from home and never
Speaker 1: see another human being ever again. But you sound like
Speaker 1: the opposite, where you're like, I want to be in
Speaker 1: like a front facing social job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be nice. I mean it's because like recently,
Speaker 3: you know, just recent gaing out high school ast year,
Speaker 3: I'm just like not as social or just realizing how
Speaker 3: well me it actually is when you're not doing stuff
Speaker 3: with other people. Like I've been trying to figure out
Speaker 3: that out for myself too, because like out of work,
Speaker 3: I'm doing nothing. I'm like, I go home I'm kind
Speaker 3: of I'm just playing video games and sometimes I'll maybe
Speaker 3: hang out with a friend once a week, and so
Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to go out and meet people.
Speaker 3: I want to go and do things. But if you're
Speaker 3: not like above twenty one in Vegas, there's not much
Speaker 3: to do out here that isn't burning hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I, by the way, I actually think being like,
Speaker 1: oh I want to be a bartender, Like, I think
Speaker 1: that choosing your career path based on like what you
Speaker 1: think will put you in physical proximity to the most
Speaker 1: amount of other people. Is I I genuinely do think
Speaker 1: that is smart. I do think that is smart. I
Speaker 1: get what your parents say though about you know, you
Speaker 1: want to do some ship where there is some form
Speaker 1: of like upward mobility so that you can you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you don't want to be like
Speaker 1: stuck making ship money for forever and ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, that's kind of that's a fair point.
Speaker 1: But but but I it is interesting though, because there
Speaker 1: are and so what you're are you going to go
Speaker 1: to college?
Speaker 3: I think you maybe signing up the community college out here,
Speaker 3: but not really for the courses of me maybe trying
Speaker 3: to go to meet people. I think that's just an
Speaker 3: hitch I kind of need to scratch because like I
Speaker 3: don't know, man, maybe because like it's been a while
Speaker 3: thing that like I've hung out with people like new
Speaker 3: people because I don't know. I love my friends, like
Speaker 3: we're all great, but it's just been a while.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you have you have reasonable goals. You
Speaker 1: want to make money and you want to be around
Speaker 1: other people, is what I assume are your goals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a goal. But also the one
Speaker 3: thing I struggles to that goal for me personally is
Speaker 3: just taking that first step for a lot of things,
Speaker 3: because like I'm real lazy on taking that first step
Speaker 3: and just don't end up doing it, or just I
Speaker 3: don't know, not knowing how to do it because I
Speaker 3: see people do it so easily, and it's just like
Speaker 3: I don't understand. Like maybe there's a lot of more
Speaker 3: mental struggle I put myself for I'm thinking, oh, what
Speaker 3: if this does happen, or what if this happens, you know,
Speaker 3: and I break it down way too much, even though
Speaker 3: it could just be done in the second by the
Speaker 3: time already breaking down.
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, what are you spiraling? About like when
Speaker 1: you say you see other people do it easy? What
Speaker 1: are you talking? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Like telling people like like people are taking the first
Speaker 3: step to go do something so like something they've always
Speaker 3: want to do for a while. I feel like I
Speaker 3: got to family members at me, so you know what,
Speaker 3: just socide and just go do it. They don't overthink
Speaker 3: about it, They don't really think about it too much.
Speaker 3: They can go ahead and do it, even the fear
Speaker 3: of failure. They know that, but they still go ahead
Speaker 3: and do it.
Speaker 1: Give me, give me, give me an example from your life,
Speaker 1: like what are you what are you scared to go do?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, maybe it's more scared of making
Speaker 3: direct change, like trying to think. Here, I don't like,
Speaker 3: like you said, already socializing thing. I'm afraid to approach
Speaker 3: people sometimes because I'm not obviously I'm not hundred percent
Speaker 3: sure what the reaction is going to be. And I
Speaker 3: don't mind talking like friend and wide. I don't mind that,
Speaker 3: but it's like talking. I don't have to go talk
Speaker 3: to a girl, for example, Like I don't know if
Speaker 3: I'm ready to even do that first step. I'm nervous
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 1: Man. Interesting, Well, I feel like the whole this whole
Speaker 1: idea of like, yeah, you know, I'm thinking about this
Speaker 1: because you the whole idea of like, oh I'm a
Speaker 1: to approach. You know, it's more about you're you're focusing
Speaker 1: on like the stress of like one single interaction, where uh,
Speaker 1: the real sauce is attempting to design your life in
Speaker 1: such a way that you are naturally in spaces with
Speaker 1: other people repeatedly, which is how you make friends and
Speaker 1: meet girls and do all that shit. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's easy when you're in high school because that's just
Speaker 1: naturally done for you. And then when you get older,
Speaker 1: it gets it gets harder. But if you're intentional about it,
Speaker 1: you it's you can do it. And especially because you
Speaker 1: live do you live like in Vegas proper or you
Speaker 1: like a little bit out on, a.
Speaker 3: Little bit outwards like not exactly in direct Vegas, but
Speaker 3: a little bit hours to the other cities around it.
Speaker 1: You got a car, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: You've got a new one recent so my old one
Speaker 3: just mean transition went to junk.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, all right, so you're clean. I mean,
Speaker 1: you live in a major city and you have a car,
Speaker 1: and you what you're you just graduated high school, so
Speaker 1: you're a little you're a little in between ship right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that weird in between like figuring out your life
Speaker 3: after high school and also just trying to figure out
Speaker 3: who you are to what you want to do. It's
Speaker 3: that weird in between, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm.
Speaker 2: Hm hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things like you do you do you what? What
Speaker 1: do you can say?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: For like for the money part, right, for the money part,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about wanting to do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Because there's you could go to fucking trade school, you
Speaker 1: could you could join your dad and painting ship.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, money wise, probably joining wound be
Speaker 3: the better option because huh, it's a little bit the
Speaker 3: hard vest to get into and with someone like my
Speaker 3: dad who's been in for a while, I can get
Speaker 3: a really good hands on for it. The money why,
Speaker 3: it would be great for me, But I don't know
Speaker 3: if I would really enjoy doing it. But I don't
Speaker 3: know how much can you really enjoy a job, because
Speaker 3: at one point it's gonna get repetitive no matter what
Speaker 3: you do, right, and you're eventually gonna get bored of it.
Speaker 3: Even something you really enjoy, it's gonna feel dull. That's
Speaker 3: what kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I actually your situation specifically, I got a
Speaker 1: few thoughts on it because you live with your parents
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm live with my parents.
Speaker 1: See you gotta see I I'm looking at your situation
Speaker 1: right Okay, so you're not and you're not planning on
Speaker 1: and you can just go right into this and you
Speaker 1: don't have to go to college and you don't have
Speaker 1: to ac crew a bunch of debt and all that shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, at least I'm trying not to
Speaker 3: get into any debt and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So look, I'm just if I I'm gonna lay this out.
Speaker 1: This is I feel like I'm talking. I feel like
Speaker 1: i'm your dad right now. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I do like I like thinking about this stuff. So
Speaker 1: I'm engaged. I'm interested in your life. I like thinking
Speaker 1: about these things because all right, okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: actually do feel like I'm qualified to ponder this with
Speaker 1: you in some way, shape or form, which is that
Speaker 1: you actually have a great situation because it because what
Speaker 1: a lot of people your age do is they go
Speaker 1: to college because it's what everyone told them to do.
Speaker 1: And they spend four years and you know, they have
Speaker 1: fun and you know, maybe party or maybe they don't
Speaker 1: or maybe they you know, it's not that linear of
Speaker 1: a thing. But you go to college and then you
Speaker 1: graduate and oh no, you picked a stupid You graduated
Speaker 1: in like you got an English degree or something, or
Speaker 1: even a degree in like something that you're like a
Speaker 1: marketing degree or something. And you graduate and now you
Speaker 1: and now you're twenty two years old and you're in
Speaker 1: a mountain of debt and you're going into a job
Speaker 1: market that is like so deeply stacked against you, and
Speaker 1: it's hard, right, but you you have an interest, you
Speaker 1: have a new other, you have a different option that
Speaker 1: you could do, which I think is an it's interesting
Speaker 1: to explore. Now, Look, if you told me, if you
Speaker 1: were like, I really want to become a doctor. I
Speaker 1: really want to become a lawyer. I really want to
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to think of other biologists.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to get into science. If you're telling
Speaker 1: me that, if you're telling me those things, then then yeah,
Speaker 1: it's worth it to go to college and get it,
Speaker 1: rack up debt, and do whatever the fuck you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: But if you're sitting here like, I got no fucking idea,
Speaker 1: I just want to be around people and exist. Right,
Speaker 1: you're in a cool position because you could go work
Speaker 1: with your dad for four years and live in your parents'
Speaker 1: house and save and every fucking penny that you make
Speaker 1: from your dad, you can save for four years. Right,
Speaker 1: for four years, you can work with your dad and
Speaker 1: maybe whatever whatever, whether or not you like the job. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: How along would this job is? Is like a nine to five?
Speaker 1: What kind of job? What are the hours? On this phone?
Speaker 3: Kind of like a nine to five? I worked in
Speaker 3: like well, like five am to like five pm, like
Speaker 3: five am Friday, Yeah, Monday.
Speaker 1: So twelve twelve hours Monday through Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's what you could And because you're eighteen, you
Speaker 1: can physically do this. If this is what you want
Speaker 1: to do, you could spend the next Listen, you can
Speaker 1: spend the next four years. You work Monday through Friday
Speaker 1: with your dad. You grind it out, okay, and you
Speaker 1: save all working Like what how many hours a week?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Twelve times five? What's twelve times sixty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's sixty.
Speaker 1: That's sixty, okay, And then you could, dude, you can
Speaker 1: save spent four years living in your parents' house. You
Speaker 1: save all that money, right, you save all that money,
Speaker 1: and that's what? What's four years? I don't know? What
Speaker 1: do you? What do? What do you can?
Speaker 2: I ask?
Speaker 1: You don't have to share if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: What do you make with this job?
Speaker 2: I make?
Speaker 3: Well, it's not really per hour, since it's kind of
Speaker 3: more of a family situation, since all right, business, okay,
Speaker 3: I make like one hundred.
Speaker 1: A day, okay, one hundred a day working six, working
Speaker 1: twelve one hundred a day working twelve hours. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: does that come out to? Hold on?
Speaker 3: It's like, I know, that's five hundred a week, five.
Speaker 1: One hundred dollars. What is it's one hundred divided by
Speaker 1: twelve eight dollars. You gotta you gotta negotiation. You gotta
Speaker 1: negotiate that with your dad, my friend, because that's because
Speaker 1: what what is? What's Nevada minimum wage?
Speaker 3: Let me google this, honest, I think it's pretty low.
Speaker 1: Nevada minimum wage. It's twelve dollars. Okay, your dad's paying
Speaker 1: you all right. If I were all right, if I
Speaker 1: were you, I would do a couple of things. First,
Speaker 1: is you got to negotiate with your dad to pay
Speaker 1: you at minimum Nevada minimum wage. Yeah, your dad's gotta
Speaker 1: get you. Got your dad's gotta get you. Uh Nevada
Speaker 1: minimum wage? Is this your is your dad's business, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's his business?
Speaker 1: All right? Tell your dad. Tell your dad he's got
Speaker 1: to pay you Nevada minimum wage, which is at least
Speaker 1: twelve dollars and what's the federal minimum wage? Fifty fifteen?
Speaker 1: Now I think st think it's like, oh okay, god damn.
Speaker 1: The federal minimum wage is still seven to twenty five,
Speaker 1: all right, But the Vitta mintum wage twelve dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: So get your dad to give you at least twelve
Speaker 1: dollars an hour, all right. So if that gives you
Speaker 1: twelve dollars an hour and you're working ten hours a week,
Speaker 1: that's what, No, not ten hours a week, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: Sixty hours a week, sixty times twelve, all right, So
Speaker 1: you're making like said, al right, So if your dad
Speaker 1: can give you like seven hundred and twenty dollars a week,
Speaker 1: all right, if you can negotiate that with your dad.
Speaker 1: That's an vitta minimum wage.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: What is that times fifty two? All right, it's thirty
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars a year about before taxes. I have
Speaker 1: no idea what the taxes are on that, but whatever,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, So if you do that for
Speaker 1: four years, okay, what's that? Time's four Okay? Now you
Speaker 1: have okay, one hundred and forty nine Okay, that's one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine thousand dollars. Most eighteen year olds,
Speaker 1: over the course of four years go. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the exact numbers are, might be exaggerating, but a
Speaker 1: lot of eighteen year olds spend four years going one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine thousand dollars into debt and you
Speaker 1: could live it. You could spend the next four years
Speaker 1: saving up one hundred and forty nine thousand dollars. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have to pay taxes on that,
Speaker 1: and you probably are gonna want to, you know, pay
Speaker 1: for gas and whatever you're gonna you'll have expenses. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be one hundred and four nine thousand dollars exactly,
Speaker 1: but you might. But dude, bro you could save up.
Speaker 1: Like I'm thorrowing, I'm pulling numbers out of thin air.
Speaker 1: But you could be you can graduate. You could graduate.
Speaker 1: You could be twenty two years old and you could
Speaker 1: have seventy thousand dollars saved up. Most people that age
Speaker 1: are like seventy thousand dollars in debt, you know, And
Speaker 1: and get this and get this and get this. What's
Speaker 1: your name again? Aiden?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And get this? Aidan? Is is is during that whole time? Okay,
Speaker 1: you wake up five am and then you work until
Speaker 1: five pm. You have a car, right, mm hmm, you
Speaker 1: could fuck it. What do you like to do, Aidan?
Speaker 3: Well, like my free time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in general? What do you like to do?
Speaker 3: I had to play I had to play guitar like hangouts,
Speaker 3: friends play video games or play guitar. Yeah, I used
Speaker 3: to play a lot.
Speaker 1: But you could see you what you could do? You
Speaker 1: could and then okay, five pm? Right, for the next
Speaker 1: four years, you get off at five pm and you
Speaker 1: just start going to local like you're not big concerts
Speaker 1: that cost a bunch of money, but you could just
Speaker 1: get you could dive into the local Nevada. What kind
Speaker 1: of music do.
Speaker 3: You like I'm I'm a big fan of indie music.
Speaker 1: You like any music, you, I guarant fucking tee you
Speaker 1: that all around the all around Vegas, in the suburbs
Speaker 1: or whatever. I guarantee you all around Vegas. There are
Speaker 1: plenty of indie local music shows going around at shit
Speaker 1: ass dive bars that are like fifteen dollars admission. Okay,
Speaker 1: you could spend. You could spend every night of your
Speaker 1: you spend every day of your life for the next
Speaker 1: four years. You go into work, okay, and then you
Speaker 1: get off at five pm, and then you drive to
Speaker 1: a local indie concert and you pay fifteen bucks okay,
Speaker 1: or and you you whatever gas costs. It's pretty low expenses.
Speaker 1: And then you get involved in the local indie music scene.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, after like one year,
Speaker 1: you start showing You show up at these concerts, and
Speaker 1: then you have now you have and you're like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, man, I've seen you before. Oh hey, oh
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's some girl. And it's like, oh hey,
Speaker 1: i've seen you before, you know, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you have all of a sudden, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, because you keep showing up, you start to
Speaker 1: see the same people around the same concerts. Okay, and
Speaker 1: then and then now you have a little community. Okay,
Speaker 1: and so you fucking and the whole time you're living
Speaker 1: in your parents' basement. You're not paying for rent, you're
Speaker 1: not paying for a walk, you're not paying for any
Speaker 1: of this fucking shit. Okay, And you're saving up all
Speaker 1: the money you're spending money on like food, and we
Speaker 1: go into these indie shows, and you know, you take
Speaker 1: a girl out to Chipotle every now and then. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then and now you've spent now four years, now
Speaker 1: you graduate, Okay, Now, now you're twenty two, and picture
Speaker 1: this you have Okay, you made one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars from your dad over the course of
Speaker 1: four years. Again, most people are spending that going into debt. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have one hundred. Now you have seventy grand. Let's say,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just gonna say that because you
Speaker 1: saved it, because you saved up and you know, but
Speaker 1: you don't have a degree, But you have a lot
Speaker 1: of work experience, You've met a lot of people from
Speaker 1: the indie music scene. You have no idea what kind
Speaker 1: of career opportunities could come from that. Someone could be like, oh,
Speaker 1: hey I need an audio engineer to fucking do this
Speaker 1: whatever fucking thing, or hey, my band is going on
Speaker 1: tour and we need a roady to go. You know,
Speaker 1: it's tons of opportunities to do that. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: meeting people, I'm sure through working for your dad. Okay,
Speaker 1: opportunities could come through that. And you have seventy thousand
Speaker 1: dollars of a safety net in case if you want
Speaker 1: to go start your own business, or if you do
Speaker 1: decide you want to go to a trade school or whatever,
Speaker 1: and the whole and you didn't have to just spend
Speaker 1: the whole four years doing nothing with your life. You know,
Speaker 1: you have you, You'll you'll have a you'll have a
Speaker 1: beautiful Wednesday where you got you. You're working all day
Speaker 1: and then at night you go out to this local
Speaker 1: indie concert whatever. Maybe you meet some people, maybe you
Speaker 1: guys go out for you. Still you still live in
Speaker 1: your life the whole the whole time, You're still living
Speaker 1: cool young guy life. It's this is this that's yeah,
Speaker 1: this is me just getting excited about that's what. That's
Speaker 1: that's how I view your situation is you're this is
Speaker 1: perfect because you get to save money and you still
Speaker 1: get to live cool young guy life. You know, because
Speaker 1: you're because you're lucky enough.
Speaker 3: That a great way of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're lucky enough that you had not everyone has.
Speaker 1: You know, I was lucky too. I'm lucky. I have
Speaker 1: parents that let me fucking live in their in their
Speaker 1: house after college. If you're like, if you're lucky enough
Speaker 1: to have that, god damn, take advantage of it. You know,
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to have a dad who's willing to,
Speaker 1: you know, set you up in the thing, and the
Speaker 1: parents that'll let you hang out in their house. You know,
Speaker 1: take you take advantage of that. You can live a
Speaker 1: cool life over the next four years, save a bunch
Speaker 1: of money, and make a bunch of friends. And uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been going on a ramp. But that's that's what
Speaker 1: I would do. That's my advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly, i'most take your advice and the whole
Speaker 3: tire because that's all. It's both my issues. I guess
Speaker 3: it was meeting people and trying to figure out what
Speaker 3: to do long term.
Speaker 1: Right because well cause it's because you can have both.
Speaker 1: Because you go work for your dad, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you're nineteen years old, you can work for twelve hours
Speaker 1: a day and then go out and party afterwards, because
Speaker 1: you bought your body can take it. So so you
Speaker 1: so that you have your job for twelve hours a day.
Speaker 1: That solves your money issues, and then you have some
Speaker 1: form then and then on top of that, you find
Speaker 1: some form of community in the major city that you
Speaker 1: live in and just keep showing up to that, and
Speaker 1: then that fills up both of your your things and
Speaker 1: then and then some people might be like, well, if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get a degree, then how's he gonna well
Speaker 1: long term, you're twenty If again, if you have having
Speaker 1: I genuinely think I genuinely believe having no debt and
Speaker 1: a shit ton of money saved up and no degree
Speaker 1: is so much better than graduating from college with a
Speaker 1: bunch of debt and like a ship marketing degree. And
Speaker 1: that's just this is what I believe. It would be
Speaker 1: different if you were like again, it'd be different if
Speaker 1: you were like a lawyer or a doctor or some
Speaker 1: ship and you needed to do it. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I think about your life. Thanks for letting me.
Speaker 1: I'm on. I'm a I'm on a lot of I
Speaker 1: upped my vibeance dosage a little bit. So you called
Speaker 1: it a perfect time to rant about these things.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. Man, that was a that alos a
Speaker 3: great advice SPECIFIC had in a while. Run situation. I
Speaker 3: think might really start doing that cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, let me know if Yeah, you got you
Speaker 1: gotta play hardball with your daddy though, you gotta, you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell you here's what you should here's what
Speaker 1: you can do. You can actually work for him for
Speaker 1: like a little bit, and then tell him that you'll
Speaker 1: report him to the labor board. No, don't report your dad.
Speaker 1: Don't report don't don't report your dad to the labor board.
Speaker 1: Don't report your dad to the labor board. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: just asking me if he can pay you minimum wage?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, as I guess I should have that talk
Speaker 3: with him though about figuring out the paying a thing.
Speaker 3: I guess. I mean maybe it's more of just like
Speaker 3: any figure, because there is another thing he wants to
Speaker 3: try to teach me, which is what exactly he does.
Speaker 3: What I'm doing now a little bit different. I'm just
Speaker 3: helping him. But he wants to teach him what he's
Speaker 3: actually doing, which would make me a lot more money
Speaker 3: in the future that was taking like a year or
Speaker 3: two actually practicing getting it.
Speaker 1: That's great. See, Yeah, I understand the thing of like,
Speaker 1: I want to do a job that I like doing,
Speaker 1: but and you and you that could absolutely be in
Speaker 1: your future. But again but right but for right now,
Speaker 1: because you just graduated fucking high school. It's like, you
Speaker 1: can get your money up and get your community up.
Speaker 1: You have a perfect opportunity for that ship. And if
Speaker 1: your dad's teaching you how to do shit in the future,
Speaker 1: you know, you're still what am I about to say,
Speaker 1: You're still doing something that's like could compound over long term.
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing for the future, I guess, and making long
Speaker 3: term money.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then and again the stuff that you end
Speaker 1: up whatever it is that you decide you want to
Speaker 1: end up doing at night. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: is the local concert thing, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to you know, I mean when I was eighteen,
Speaker 1: I was going to like Super Smash Brothers tournaments at night.
Speaker 1: You know that compounds to do a community. You end
Speaker 1: up you meet people, yea, you meet people. Then that
Speaker 1: leads you to opportunities you wouldn't have uh known about before.
Speaker 1: So again, yeah, I'm I'm excited for you. You could have
Speaker 1: a next you could have a cool next four years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great idea that I was, like, gets
Speaker 3: perspective log of what I should do a bit more
Speaker 3: of my decision making. So I guess I probably should
Speaker 3: have fallen working with my dad a bit, letting him
Speaker 3: teach me a lot more things.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, aiden, Oh god, Aiden, Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm I'm uh, I'm doing excellence. I'm doing excellent.
Speaker 1: You know how You know who Gary Vee is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so he's definitely on He's he's probably on
Speaker 1: So I don't do you think he's on adderall. He's
Speaker 1: gotta be, uh, honestly, maybe he's.
Speaker 2: Got to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know about cocaine. People say he's on cocaine,
Speaker 1: but he's got to be on a lot of stimulants.
Speaker 3: Probably. I think adderall might be one of them.
Speaker 1: And is there anything else? Who I say the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we.
Speaker 3: Go, Am I able to say a few random words
Speaker 3: of wisdom?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You say whatever you want, honestly, make sure to love
Speaker 3: yourself before you love another. So that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: Beautiful by Aiden, of course.
Speaker 3: Have a great day, Gag. Thanks for the advice.
Speaker 1: I liked. I like that guy. I liked Adan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm very Folks who listen to this
Speaker 1: podcast have heard me talk about like film school and
Speaker 1: shit before. I don't know. If you're yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: in a position like that where yeah, like you're like,
Speaker 1: if you if you're lucky enough that you have like
Speaker 1: some kind of stable home situation where you can live
Speaker 1: at home. Uh, and like you know, people aren't fucking
Speaker 1: like screaming at each other all the time or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Oh my god, take advantage of that. Shit. Hello, folks,
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