Speaker 1: On today's episode of the Command Center Podcast, we review
Speaker 1: every single draft pick and talk about how we feel
Speaker 1: with a p and Dan Quinn working together and seeing
Speaker 1: the results, sticking to their board and it was great stuff.
Speaker 1: And then we give draft grades to everybody in our division.
Speaker 2: El Cowboys, El Philly, El Giants, if one are the
Speaker 2: actual grades. Stay tuned to find out. It all starts
Speaker 2: right out.
Speaker 1: Welcome into the Command Center Podcast, Eye Logan Paulson here
Speaker 1: with Fred Smoot and Santana Moss and we got a
Speaker 1: great show today. We're gonna tea. We're gonna review all
Speaker 1: the draft picks, every single of them. We're gonna review
Speaker 1: drafts within the division, give them grades.
Speaker 2: You know, Cowboys probably gonna get a D. I haven't
Speaker 2: even seen their draft yet, be d probably the first
Speaker 2: things first, let's talk about what I got on man?
Speaker 3: You got me on your chase good, I know, right
Speaker 3: over your heart.
Speaker 2: Kind of a bummer. I kind of wish I could
Speaker 2: just do like one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Well, we got merch down, we got merch and we
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Speaker 1: want a shirt, there's no place to order him. You
Speaker 1: got to come to our live event Jason that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing, and then any other thing that Fred's
Speaker 1: at because apparently the producer gave or our boss gave
Speaker 1: you like a bunch of shirts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, post damn. So you can see me around
Speaker 3: in the DMV.
Speaker 4: Just asked me for a shirt, I'll pull one out
Speaker 4: of my back pocket.
Speaker 2: Perfect only three huh.
Speaker 1: But in addition to the shirts, we also have a
Speaker 1: great lineup of content. Yeah, your show Get Loud, which
Speaker 1: I was on YouTube. It's you and Michael Jenkins, and
Speaker 1: you had Tom Lougan Bill.
Speaker 2: Yes, I said, all right, right Lougan Bill.
Speaker 1: He's a reporter from ESPN National Recruiting director and he
Speaker 1: is so good. He has followed Jaden, like I guess
Speaker 1: since he was like since in high school all the
Speaker 1: way through, so he probably had great insight.
Speaker 3: He had great insight on where he's came from.
Speaker 4: And it hit me out a lot to know what
Speaker 4: he's got started and what he's got made into and
Speaker 4: like he said, him getting better year in the year out.
Speaker 3: Difference in him.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't like to listen to you anytime
Speaker 1: I'm not at work, so I might actually have to
Speaker 1: listen to that.
Speaker 3: Please do, please do?
Speaker 1: All right, Then we got the Ticket to the Draft podcast,
Speaker 1: which is on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, and that's that.
Speaker 1: We've done an instant reaction the first and second round,
Speaker 1: second and third round picks. Right, are we gonna do
Speaker 1: another one, Jason? Or are we done? We're done? That's it.
Speaker 1: Make sure you check those out. And then we got
Speaker 1: an exclusive interview with Dayton, with Jayden and Daniels. That's
Speaker 1: on YouTube. And is that just on the regular YouTube channel?
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And we got command Center, which is our flagship program,
Speaker 1: and we do a complete breakdown of the draft. It's
Speaker 1: our flagship show. It's like Sports Center, but just for
Speaker 1: the Commanders only US, Yeah, only US. And then we
Speaker 1: got Free Agent Fridays, which is another show, great show,
Speaker 1: and this week it's Bobby Wagner answering fan questions. So
Speaker 1: that sounds like a great line up of content. If
Speaker 1: you're a Commanders fan and you're not watching this, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Just googage on it.
Speaker 2: Just come on over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, now, let's talk about it the draft.
Speaker 2: Yes, what happened.
Speaker 1: It was so good and it was the first time
Speaker 1: we got to see Dan and HadAM working together. Yeah
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Freddie always start. We can start right now.
Speaker 2: Do I storry?
Speaker 3: You know what I got from this draft?
Speaker 4: They showed me what the identity of the team is
Speaker 4: gonna be in the future. I looked at most of
Speaker 4: these draft picks, and I think besides Johnny knew that
Speaker 4: none of these guys was like five star athletes coming out.
Speaker 3: These guys built themselves in college.
Speaker 4: They got better year in and year out, and then
Speaker 4: some guys just stick out like should not being sat.
Speaker 4: This guy is a tight end full back hybrid reminds
Speaker 4: me of hughes Check a lot like he's a guy,
Speaker 4: he's a tone setter like and he was the only
Speaker 4: one of him in this draft. All the other tight
Speaker 4: ends were just preord tight ends. He was the only
Speaker 4: guy up this ILK in his draft and Mike Sanders
Speaker 4: skrill I've been smiling in my sleep.
Speaker 3: Ever since we drafted this guy.
Speaker 4: And like I told Tannel, we were talking about it. X.
Speaker 4: I love Coners that played wide out. We have a
Speaker 4: whole different view of the game. And then you throw
Speaker 4: a guy like Luke McCaffrey and they play quarterback, running back.
Speaker 3: Wide receiver.
Speaker 4: I think what they did in this draft gonna gonna
Speaker 4: have good effects on.
Speaker 3: This team for the next four or five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk more about the specific guys in a minute,
Speaker 1: but like you know, it's it's the first time we
Speaker 1: get to see Dan and hout of working together, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was great watching.
Speaker 5: I mean especially you know, we was live right there,
Speaker 5: right there in the trenches in Detroit, and it was
Speaker 5: funny because you know, we were screaming men be miskept,
Speaker 5: you know, talking to you you know, to each other
Speaker 5: about just the needs of having that office to tackle,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And one day we was
Speaker 5: gonna pull the trigger, and we was all hoping that
Speaker 5: we kind of you know, that first night we stayed
Speaker 5: there because even though we picked, we had our pick
Speaker 5: at two.
Speaker 3: Ye we stayed the whole entire draft just.
Speaker 5: Hoping that maybe they're you know, back in you know,
Speaker 5: get back in the first round.
Speaker 3: And when it wasn't done.
Speaker 5: You know, I was a bitter taste, but at the
Speaker 5: same time, like, these guys know what they're doing. They
Speaker 5: not reaching, just they gotta And I think we get
Speaker 5: so used to just being on these being in a
Speaker 5: part of this organization and seeing us reach, seeing us
Speaker 5: go out there and get.
Speaker 3: That big name and spend that big money on them.
Speaker 5: Just because everybody said that that's what we're supposed to get.
Speaker 5: So when you really look at the draft as a whole, man,
Speaker 5: these guys really strategically set there man, and and pick
Speaker 5: the guy that fits the mode of player that they
Speaker 5: looking for, cadibor player that they're looking for. And when
Speaker 5: I watched that, those guys highlights and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 5: that's football. That's what they want here. That's what they want.
Speaker 5: Guys to be physical, they want guys to fly around.
Speaker 5: And you said it jokingly, saying it, Hey, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be tough making this squad because they got ball players here.
Speaker 5: So you know, it was great, man, just to sit
Speaker 5: back and hear the nations and you know, the people
Speaker 5: outside of here talk about how how impressed they was
Speaker 5: of some of the guys that we picked up, and
Speaker 5: just how things are being you know, orchestrated around here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also thought it was like cool, like
Speaker 1: from a like just logistical standpoint. You know, obviously the
Speaker 1: product picks that they made were great and their process
Speaker 1: was great, you know, like trying to get into the
Speaker 1: first round, they don't do it. They're not going to
Speaker 1: overspend all that kind of stuff that trade with Philly.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that more detail a second. But you know,
Speaker 1: in the post day draft stuff, it's Adam doing the
Speaker 1: presser right because it's Adam's show, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it never feels like Adam is like hellon yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Like when Dan comes and talks to us, like we
Speaker 1: did an interview with him. You can check that out
Speaker 1: on the Commander's YouTube page. Also, he's very like of
Speaker 1: the same messaging. You can tell they're on the same page.
Speaker 1: Even though Adam is like buying the groceries, like you
Speaker 1: like to say, Fred, it's fitting with Dan's vision. And
Speaker 1: I look at this list and I see a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that I would identify, you know, like when
Speaker 1: you play for a coach, you're like.
Speaker 2: That is a Dan guy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I go look at Dominique Hampton in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: and like there could not be more of a Dan pick.
Speaker 1: So obviously Adam is able to say this is where
Speaker 1: the talent is. Like you're saying, Tanna, we're not going
Speaker 1: to reach on stuff. But I'm also understanding what the
Speaker 1: coach wants in terms of the players that I'm selecting,
Speaker 1: and I think there's something really cool about that in
Speaker 1: the first draft, you know what I'm saying, like as
Speaker 1: a foundational piece. The other thing I just wanted to
Speaker 1: call attention to, and You've talked about this a little
Speaker 1: bit already, Fred is like, I think they're good football players,
Speaker 1: all these guys, but I think they have higher football character.
Speaker 1: And what I mean about that is like when you
Speaker 1: watch every single every one of these guys, there's no
Speaker 1: exception on film. They are pouring it out. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of captains on this list. And I just
Speaker 1: think like, in terms of laying a foundation, obviously Adam,
Speaker 1: obviously Dan had a vision basically saying we want we
Speaker 1: don't want to be taking risks on crazy talented people.
Speaker 1: We want football players that are passionate and love football
Speaker 1: and high football IQ. Yeah, you know, and I'm with that,
Speaker 1: and so I think like that to me was something
Speaker 1: that I took out of This was basically saying like
Speaker 1: they there might have been more talented players available, but
Speaker 1: not more talented players that fit the vision, right, which.
Speaker 2: Is what you need. Competitive tough sons of guns.
Speaker 1: And in terms of a foundational piece, I look at
Speaker 1: all these guys and they might never become like stars,
Speaker 1: some of them, but they're all going to be good
Speaker 1: pro and you.
Speaker 2: Know that already.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about it.
Speaker 4: You know, you know where the floor is with these guys,
Speaker 4: and I think they weren't really worried about the ceiling.
Speaker 4: I think they said, we're not going underneath this floor
Speaker 4: type of player. And I think that's where this stuff
Speaker 4: come in because everybody like tackle, tackle, tackle.
Speaker 3: Then when I go.
Speaker 4: Back and study Brandon Coleman, Yeah, fifteen hundred snaps, three sacks,
Speaker 4: three sacks, Yeah, three sacks, fifty five pressures, that's a
Speaker 4: lot of football. And then his reach, they people understand
Speaker 4: he got the reach of a seven foot.
Speaker 2: Of thirty five in Yes, So that is crazy.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying he ain't, no, he Trent William
Speaker 4: or nothing like this, but if you look at the
Speaker 4: athletics score, oh, it's right there.
Speaker 3: And that's saying a lot because we know how I
Speaker 3: let it trendy is and I.
Speaker 1: Think, you know, we're talking about Brennan Coleman, real quick,
Speaker 1: tanna before we get going.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 1: One of the things about him that I love is that,
Speaker 1: you know, he played a little bit more guard in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, but in twenty twenty two he almost
Speaker 1: played exclusively tackle. Yeah, I feel like they kind of
Speaker 1: had him on the radar as a tackle. And then
Speaker 1: when you look at the pre draft process, like everyone,
Speaker 1: every single outlet, every the Senior Bowl, he had him
Speaker 1: a guard and so but I think it just shows
Speaker 1: the comprehensive nature which with they went through this process.
Speaker 1: They said, here's the guy that played left tackle for TCU,
Speaker 1: won the national championship, right, and they throw a lot
Speaker 1: and he was the guy and he's so he's on
Speaker 1: our radar. And then we look at his athletic profile,
Speaker 1: his physical profile. Yeah, thirty five inch arms around a
Speaker 1: four nine forty, had a thirty four inch vertical. He
Speaker 1: did great in the three cone of the pro agility
Speaker 1: and you say, those are not garden measurables, those are
Speaker 1: the tackles and you go watch the film and again,
Speaker 1: I just love that they went this level of detail,
Speaker 1: and you watch him set the pass rush it is
Speaker 1: locked in. Yeah, like he's not he's not opening the gate.
Speaker 1: He understands his angle, he's not over setting, and he's
Speaker 1: got this thick, very powerful lower half. Yeah, he does,
Speaker 1: and he can sit that stuff down. So you know,
Speaker 1: like there's guys like DJ Humphries in Arizona that guard
Speaker 1: like that prototypical tackle build but are very successful because
Speaker 1: they got good feet, they got goold length, and they
Speaker 1: understand the angle. And he does all three of those things.
Speaker 1: Now just about can he do that at the next level?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And can't he do it over and over and over again?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: I was impressed, man. And you know one of the
Speaker 5: things about us, we're not trying to jump the gun. No,
Speaker 5: we want to We want to really want to paint
Speaker 5: the picture of you know, these guys went out there
Speaker 5: and really got some good football players.
Speaker 3: And it showed up. You know.
Speaker 5: One of the things too, that be mis talked a
Speaker 5: lot about, you know, hearing people talking about y'all watch
Speaker 5: FAMI or highlights most of the stuff that we've seen
Speaker 5: leading up to the Dravions highlights, But when you really
Speaker 5: go dive deep and watch these guys play football. It
Speaker 5: speaks about what we've already heard from these guys sitting
Speaker 5: in these seats talking about the guys they want on
Speaker 5: this team. And that's and that's what it makes you
Speaker 5: smile when you really watch it and say, hmm, okay,
Speaker 5: I see what they trying.
Speaker 3: I see the mold they're trying to build here.
Speaker 4: And like I said, I think at least for these
Speaker 4: guys are team captains.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, I know, Sanders scrill team captain on the National
Speaker 4: Championship defense. So at the end of the day, they
Speaker 4: bring it in guys that not only do they do
Speaker 4: they part on the footb field, but they do they
Speaker 4: put out the field leaders leaders man.
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about the first three picks real quick,
Speaker 1: because I think that's really interesting. Obviously Jay and Daniels
Speaker 1: and we got Johnny Newton.
Speaker 2: JA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know why I try to say,
Speaker 1: let's stay with Johnny Johnny Newton and then uh, Mike Sanders.
Speaker 2: Still, let's talk about those three guys real quick. I'll
Speaker 2: start it off. So, first off, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we've talked about Jayden and like nauseum right, was
Speaker 1: definitely Johnny Newton. I had a first round grade on
Speaker 1: and my and my board doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3: Everybody had a first round great, let's be serious.
Speaker 1: And so the fact he's there and then they went
Speaker 1: best player available to you talked about this like not
Speaker 1: just say hey man, trust trust the process. We need
Speaker 1: to get more talented on the football team. So let's
Speaker 1: get a talented football player. And then Mike Sanders still
Speaker 1: who's maybe pound for pound, the best player.
Speaker 2: In the draft, like Nick Sagan said it, and like the.
Speaker 1: Idea that you know, we already have a Buffalo Nickel
Speaker 1: or a Nickel type player, and Kwan like, let's just
Speaker 1: get more talented. Yeah, I think I think these first
Speaker 1: three picks show that.
Speaker 3: No, it was great.
Speaker 5: And then just speaking of Johnny Newton, you know, talking
Speaker 5: about a key that everybody. I mean, he had the
Speaker 5: first round greatest junior year. You know, he had a
Speaker 5: first round grade that year, and then last year he
Speaker 5: went out there dominated again. But folks are speculating saying, hey,
Speaker 5: maybe because of the injury to his foot made him drop.
Speaker 3: Who knows, who cares?
Speaker 5: I mean, for him to be sitting there and we
Speaker 5: went out there and attacked him. I was just surprised,
Speaker 5: when you know, Jason said his name. I'm sitting there like,
Speaker 5: hold on, Illinoise, he's still around. Jason said his name
Speaker 5: twice to me, and it then't dawn on me that
Speaker 5: who he.
Speaker 3: Was talking to dominating. So I'm like, how's he still around?
Speaker 3: The second round?
Speaker 5: You know, I had no clue, and when we grabbed him,
Speaker 5: I'm like, that is incredible because just knowing what we
Speaker 5: already have, knowing how we do things, knowing now let's
Speaker 5: take another look at it, knowing who we have now
Speaker 5: is the decordinator, how they do things with their guys.
Speaker 5: Maybe we don't have to worry about him playing as
Speaker 5: much as he played in college.
Speaker 3: He can be a.
Speaker 5: Guy that just brought in the game just to go
Speaker 5: after the quarterback because he did that so well in college.
Speaker 5: So it was just some of those things that stood
Speaker 5: out to me. And then not to just you know,
Speaker 5: spend that much time on him. You know what his
Speaker 5: name is, Mike Sender. Still, you know, I hate missing
Speaker 5: up names and I'll do it a lot still, just hey,
Speaker 5: when you watch Michigan and you saw that secondary that
Speaker 5: that zero always stood always, it always stood out. And
Speaker 5: then just to hear a kid that say, hey, I
Speaker 5: only been playing dB for two years, so the.
Speaker 3: Sky's the limit for me and the Skouy's the limit
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 5: And just knowing a little bit about that, having the
Speaker 5: background of being the dB first player receiver, knowing how
Speaker 5: that kind of correlated, knowing how as a receiver, I
Speaker 5: used to know what DB's thinking because I've been to dB.
Speaker 5: It just it pays dividends to see why is paying
Speaker 5: dividends for him to.
Speaker 3: Be back in the position.
Speaker 5: So, like I said before, man, like those two guys
Speaker 5: we can talk about you know, Jaydon Da Daniels all day.
Speaker 5: Those two guys, Man, it was like, damn, we got
Speaker 5: the best of the best at the best time. So
Speaker 5: you know, that's what makes you just sit there and
Speaker 5: have you know, so much confidence in knowing who's at
Speaker 5: the him, you know, going out there, like you say,
Speaker 5: buying our groceries.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the thing about it is people forget that he
Speaker 4: returns punch too, so he does. He can add to
Speaker 4: your special team. He has to defense. And people like,
Speaker 4: how you gonna take a nickelback. No, he's a football player.
Speaker 4: He just happened to excel in the inside. So but listen,
Speaker 4: he's one of those guys. I wouldn't have passed up.
Speaker 4: I would have had to grab him at that point.
Speaker 4: And when I saw us grab Johnny Nude, I said,
Speaker 4: then I say every pick from now on his best
Speaker 4: player available. Like I was like, they're not really finna
Speaker 4: go chasing me. They finish, go best play available, Like
Speaker 4: tanna say, I'm finna add talent to my team.
Speaker 3: Keep piling the stock file in it and when we
Speaker 3: ready to explode, we'll be ready.
Speaker 5: We were sitting there and I ain't want to I
Speaker 5: ain't gonna I want to say this before you started.
Speaker 5: We were sitting there talking about what you think next,
Speaker 5: and you know, we rolling the dice. We don't, we
Speaker 5: have no clue, and it probably wasn't in the order,
Speaker 5: but it was landing, you know what I mean. Was like, well,
Speaker 5: we can get a receiver now, and it probably wasn't
Speaker 5: that pick, but with the next pick, we gotta receive,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So it was just it
Speaker 5: was just kind of funny to us just knowing that, hey,
Speaker 5: these are the value, these are the ass that you
Speaker 5: can add value to our team. That we went out
Speaker 5: because I wanted the bigger receiver I wanted, and you know, Hey,
Speaker 5: you know, he's six tow he's not probably as big
Speaker 5: as some of the guys that was a receivement.
Speaker 3: He's a big receiver on the team already. So it's
Speaker 3: just great.
Speaker 5: And came from a good football pedigree, you see what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like his his his his legacy when it
Speaker 5: comes from dad to brothers, you know, it's all in
Speaker 5: his blood. So it's just great to see how they
Speaker 5: was picking our little you know what I mean, going
Speaker 5: out there and say, hey, this is this guy here,
Speaker 5: his background along speaks for himself, but this is the
Speaker 5: kind of player we won't want dogs. He kept saying dogs,
Speaker 5: and you can kind of put that by every guy's name,
Speaker 5: that these guys have that in him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to the next group. So it's Ben Snatt,
Speaker 1: Randon Coleman, and Luke mccaffee, right, a nickname. Those are
Speaker 1: kind of the offensive weapons. I guess you can say
Speaker 1: that if we're calling that offensive tackle up in there too.
Speaker 1: But you've fred you already talked about Ben Snatt in
Speaker 1: terms of his versatility, his toughness, his ability to run routes,
Speaker 1: and again the cow It's so funny, like when I
Speaker 1: watched Kansas State.
Speaker 2: He's the he's the offense, but he led to him
Speaker 2: in everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the offense, by the way, But I had
Speaker 1: this strongest, like these strongest Kyle.
Speaker 2: Used check vibes when I watched him. Yes, I think
Speaker 2: it's because he wears number thirty four, looks like a
Speaker 2: full back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got this.
Speaker 1: But he's a good enough athlete to win versus man.
Speaker 1: He's physical enough to block as a full back, and
Speaker 1: he can block in line. He just gives you a
Speaker 1: lot of flexibility, which is what the tight end position
Speaker 1: is supposed to do.
Speaker 5: I was listening to one of his interviews and he
Speaker 5: spoke and said a tight end and he watched was
Speaker 5: Cooley growing up?
Speaker 2: Oh really? They play Simar so.
Speaker 5: They hear that and he come here. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: I just crazy how this stuff kind of adds up,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But to watch him, I
Speaker 5: mean it, you know, I smiled just to know, I say, oh,
Speaker 5: Ap in his bag. He going to get those same
Speaker 5: guys that he's seen that that made it happen, be
Speaker 5: of the night, know where he came from, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? And you want that around because these
Speaker 5: offenses you talk about it all the time. You want
Speaker 5: to be able to have a guy out there on
Speaker 5: the field that you know, at times we saw what
Speaker 5: we had at tight end, and you know, don't take
Speaker 5: nothing away from him. I think though all those guys
Speaker 5: did a great job. But you hate kind of I
Speaker 5: guess you can say showing your hand. Yeah, having a
Speaker 5: guy then you're like, oh, they running the ball, they're
Speaker 5: passing the ball. Now you get a guy we cannot
Speaker 5: read and say, oh, I'm getting out of this all right,
Speaker 5: you spread out nine. You know, this guy could be
Speaker 5: in the backfield, he could be on the back field,
Speaker 5: he could beat on the wing, he can be anywhere
Speaker 5: in your offense, and the defense can't really you know,
Speaker 5: uh basically show their hand.
Speaker 2: They have to.
Speaker 3: They have to sit there and and be wise enough.
Speaker 5: So it's great to know that we add in that
Speaker 5: kind of talent that we can be able to, you know,
Speaker 5: have that kind of leverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you said that, TENN because I think
Speaker 1: Luke McCaffrey does the same thing as a receiver. Like
Speaker 1: you look at Greg Jennings up in San Francisco, right,
Speaker 1: He's like this big slot and what is a big
Speaker 1: what is if everyone throws that turn around, right, you know,
Speaker 1: pookin Akua is a big slot right, It's a guy
Speaker 1: that can play slot receiver, run the receiver route tree.
Speaker 1: But you feel comfortable with him, like cracking a defensive end. Yes,
Speaker 1: cut somebody out, like they run ISO with Pokakua on linebacker.
Speaker 2: Because because he's tough, he's he's he's dog tough, right.
Speaker 1: And I think when you watch Christian McCaffrey, you get
Speaker 1: that so much like Bensonatt. You can't adapt to it.
Speaker 1: It's like we're gonna match Nicol. It's like, great, I
Speaker 1: got this guy McCaffrey. He's gonna play his chin shop
Speaker 1: right in your chin.
Speaker 3: And I saw his helmet off like on five highlight.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this new hemmet doesn't stay on, but he's
Speaker 5: making a place.
Speaker 3: I love it, man.
Speaker 4: I love an interview he interviewed yesterday with Grant and Danny,
Speaker 4: and I was just blown away by kid.
Speaker 3: And the thing about it is like.
Speaker 4: He said, I've only been playing wide receiving two years.
Speaker 4: At the theme of his group.
Speaker 3: He like, I only have been playing wide receiver two years, but.
Speaker 4: If they put me in a game, I could play quarterback.
Speaker 4: Running back, wide receiver. I can play inside, I can
Speaker 4: play outside. I can do whatever you need me to do.
Speaker 4: And his short shuttle, I think he got the fastest
Speaker 4: short shuttle second fast seconds in the last what ten
Speaker 4: to fifteen years.
Speaker 3: So the athletic profile.
Speaker 4: Is there and with these guys, and that's the scary boy,
Speaker 4: He's only gonna get better.
Speaker 1: Also, like to your point, you're always talking about returners, like,
Speaker 1: I think he could return kicks return because he's got
Speaker 1: that really linear downhill almost a running back running style,
Speaker 1: So I definitely think he could do that. But again,
Speaker 1: his floor is high because of what Tanna said with
Speaker 1: the degree. His ceiling's high because of what Fred said
Speaker 1: in terms of goal. He's played for two years. And
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with Mike sanderstill. So to get
Speaker 1: a guy with a really hot two guys yea incredibly
Speaker 1: high floors and also ceilings that are just going to
Speaker 1: keep moving up, I think it's really special. We talked
Speaker 1: about Brandon Coleman, how I actually think after watching twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, So if you got time google TCU Offensive
Speaker 1: Line versus two in twenty twenty two, you'll see what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Throwing that ball around a lot while I know he
Speaker 3: was backing out.
Speaker 5: You know, you had to put that fat flat back
Speaker 5: and hands, you know somebody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love a cowboy colge dude. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think I only one that he failed the stats.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that's why I had him as a
Speaker 2: guard if he didn't have that.
Speaker 1: Like it's so funny how that like thirty Like you know,
Speaker 1: for example, bensonat where's number thirty four, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a full back. Yeah, but like you know, he's
Speaker 1: built like a type. And then Brandon Coleman has the
Speaker 1: thing on the negar. It's not even a neck, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a cowboy.
Speaker 3: It's like the cowboy.
Speaker 2: It's the board.
Speaker 1: So imagine those high school linebackers with that board on.
Speaker 1: That's what he's wearing all the time. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this dude's a guard because that's what guards were. But
Speaker 1: so your your drip does matter when it comes to evaluate.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think he could do it. And
Speaker 1: again he's got to handle the length and the speed
Speaker 1: of NFL edge rushers. But there was enough there to say,
Speaker 1: all right, maybe I was off in terms of the
Speaker 1: guard and if he doesn't work out. We talked about
Speaker 1: this when we did our our safe picks for the
Speaker 1: Ticket of the Draft podcast. Offensive linemen are always safe
Speaker 1: because if you think he can play left tackle and
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, movement to guard and you get.
Speaker 2: A nice value pick there.
Speaker 1: So I think all high floor guys, all high football
Speaker 1: character guy.
Speaker 3: Mcge don't forget about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about these guys the last three.
Speaker 1: So these guys are fun to talk about because they're
Speaker 1: a little bit they're like kind of like the like
Speaker 1: the roll of the dice a little bit, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So we got so we got.
Speaker 1: Jordan McGee from Temple. We got Dominie Campton from you Dub.
Speaker 1: We got Javonte Jean Baptiste Baptiste from Notre Dame formerly
Speaker 1: by way of Ohio State. So, Fred, I know you've
Speaker 1: watched some of these guys.
Speaker 3: Hey, Jordan McGee, All right, let me tell you some
Speaker 3: He's a lambbecker.
Speaker 4: I always like lamberk and he wore a yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's like a big deal at Temple.
Speaker 4: Right, he comes downhill with bad intentions. He's I could
Speaker 4: tell it, intellectual middle linebacker. He got that London Fletcher
Speaker 4: and he's lining people up and he's he knows how
Speaker 4: to manipulate a game, and it shocked me how well
Speaker 4: he covered.
Speaker 1: Like that's I was so glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1: So glad he brought that up because he's because like that. Sorry,
Speaker 1: like I cut you off. But when you're watching linebackers,
Speaker 1: one of the things like Jeremiah Trotter, We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about him a little bit. You watch him from Clemson,
Speaker 1: very instinctive, smart, got the pedigree, does not cover in
Speaker 1: Clemson's defense. So I'm always looking because NFL linebackers, you
Speaker 1: better better man recover.
Speaker 2: When you get this guy in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: Who's got the running hit ability, the coverage ability, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is great value, great leader, plays hard.
Speaker 2: I think the one thing is he's a little little undersized.
Speaker 3: Stakes and weights ex weights.
Speaker 4: This what's gonna get him didn't be decided and he's
Speaker 4: that perfect understudy behind Wagner And we just talked about it.
Speaker 3: It's another team captain. He's another team captain.
Speaker 5: And that's a great and he could be done it
Speaker 5: on special teams early, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know they have that new kickoff rule and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. You need guy, you need more linebackers, is
Speaker 5: probably going to be able to you know, make it
Speaker 5: out a little better in this style of you know,
Speaker 5: kickoff team. So I just I'm just I'm just thrilled
Speaker 5: that we went from a year ago talking my lineback
Speaker 5: and position and now we just outlined back from free
Speaker 5: agency to the draft.
Speaker 3: Man, we just can't miss right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the type of guy that I
Speaker 1: think is the modern linebacker. When you look at like.
Speaker 2: Fred Warner, for example, he played like a pseudo safety. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Put on a little bit of weight, yeah, has those
Speaker 1: coverage instincts, can play the run. He's six ' three,
Speaker 1: very similar to Wagner or Warner, excuse me. And he's
Speaker 1: about two hundred and twenty five pounds, so another ten pounds,
Speaker 1: a couple of akes in white, a couple of block
Speaker 1: destruction techniques.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're the same.
Speaker 3: He don't need this buck weeks, but I get you.
Speaker 2: I think the ceilings there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dom I don't know if you guys watched Dominic
Speaker 1: Hampton from dub Yeah, but he is a fun guy
Speaker 1: to watch just because he's like and we talked about
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson being freaky and have crazy miserables. This guy's
Speaker 1: six three two fifteen played safety, has thirty four and
Speaker 1: a half inch arms, as you know, Fred, Yes, that's
Speaker 1: very very long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ran a four or five. I think he had
Speaker 2: a forty inch vertical.
Speaker 1: So in terms of athletic traits, yeah, there, it's there.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a little stiff playing safety. But I
Speaker 1: look at what Dan and what Wink want to do,
Speaker 1: and they have curse.
Speaker 4: I can say what they did with curse, and they
Speaker 4: always find it. This site the safety lineback of hybrid.
Speaker 4: They like to bring him on Blitz's. They like to
Speaker 4: match him up on tight ends. So you look at
Speaker 4: these guys say, oh yeah, he's he's gonna be good
Speaker 4: to match up with any tall tight end.
Speaker 3: It separates from the core what's his name?
Speaker 4: Like, he's one of those guys where you find a
Speaker 4: package for him, like this is that type dude.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of like a uh
Speaker 1: this is not a slight against cam Crow, but like
Speaker 1: a more athletic, like a more twitched twitch. Like again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's that instinctive Cam Croll was
Speaker 1: crazy instinctive but more twitched up, like longer, bigger version,
Speaker 1: like he's a freak. Yeah, and like that's why he's
Speaker 1: going to the fifth And it's like one of those players. Man,
Speaker 1: Like when I was doing film evaluation, you come across Dominickhampton,
Speaker 1: You're like, that is a dan Quinn football player.
Speaker 2: So like the fact that he's here is really funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then we got Javonte Jean Baptiste, who again falls to
Speaker 1: this bucket of like crazy traitsy players, right, thirty five
Speaker 1: inch arms, Yeah, he's six fives, he's two thirty. Like
Speaker 1: when you when you say, let me draw up traits
Speaker 1: for an edge rusher, Yeah, he's got all of them.
Speaker 1: He's a seventh round pick, got to develop a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you say, as a guy who could like this
Speaker 1: is like we were talking about talking about the Jason on
Speaker 1: tick of the Draft podcast, in these rounds you want
Speaker 1: to take shots.
Speaker 2: This is a shot.
Speaker 1: Yes, the guy with a lot of traits, a lot
Speaker 1: of athletic upside, And you say, we got him win
Speaker 1: the right defensive system because of these measurables.
Speaker 3: We're going to get him a chain development.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5: And then when you just think about it, think about
Speaker 5: the years of having guys on your team that been
Speaker 5: free agent guys, you know, guys that still made the
Speaker 5: squad because they was putting the situation that you ain't
Speaker 5: gotta play every day. We're gonna bring you in and
Speaker 5: do what you do best. That's what I see with him.
Speaker 5: That's the first thing I thought about saying, Hey, you know,
Speaker 5: he's one of them. Like I said, he's one of
Speaker 5: those guys. You look at him, say, all right, I
Speaker 5: see what they see. But guess what, We're not asking
Speaker 5: you to come in here.
Speaker 3: And be now, light a round. We used to come
Speaker 3: in here, rus.
Speaker 5: We're gonna we're gonna have certain packages where we when
Speaker 5: we put you in the game, let that dog eat,
Speaker 5: let them go hunt, you know what I mean, paying
Speaker 5: them ears back. So, like you say, the trace alone
Speaker 5: is like eye popping, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 5: sitting there looking at this guy. Man, this dude's a
Speaker 5: huge guy. But with the style of football and the
Speaker 5: way they play here, yeah, oh, I can't wait to
Speaker 5: see him. I'm just you know, I've been I've been
Speaker 5: yearning for us to play the kind of football that
Speaker 5: I watched these guys play on the other side, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Yeah, everywhere they've been where this
Speaker 5: defense has been, they played with that kind of defense where.
Speaker 3: I used to be like at night, like okay, boy,
Speaker 3: we're playing them today. You guys up. They better.
Speaker 5: They better have their calls than they read because the
Speaker 5: ball gotta come out nine. If they ain't coming out nine,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have a long day. I ain't getting the
Speaker 5: ball a lot. So that's what I've been waiting on
Speaker 5: to see us, do you know? So I talked about
Speaker 5: the year and a year. I don't see enough fills
Speaker 5: of catalty on the outside. They're not anybody face and
Speaker 5: up front. Every now and then, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 5: get a sack of two. But if we ain't getting
Speaker 5: a sack, it's a long day.
Speaker 3: It's a long day. That day has come. Well, I'm
Speaker 3: really gonna play.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you talked about on the other side
Speaker 1: because the other guys in the division they also drafted
Speaker 1: some people.
Speaker 3: Yeah they did.
Speaker 2: So what we're gonna do is graph change doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: So we're gonna give out some graft graft draft RaSE.
Speaker 3: U C l A.
Speaker 2: For our division. Rivals.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with the New York Football Giants,
Speaker 1: and so let's go through through their first three picks.
Speaker 1: We got Molik Neighbors, Tyler Nuban from Minnesota, and Andrew
Speaker 1: Phillips from Kentucky. So those three guys, I actually like them.
Speaker 3: A lobby I can say, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you can't hate. We're gonna tell the truth. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: Milik Neighbors.
Speaker 4: We know finally Daniel Jones got a win because he listen,
Speaker 4: Darren Waller, maybe he retired two years ago, didn't tell
Speaker 4: no matter he's.
Speaker 2: Having he's going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you going through divorce now. Yeah, we're not doing
Speaker 4: good as NFL marriage.
Speaker 3: Thank you for.
Speaker 2: Holding his nap holding down, you know, my wife.
Speaker 3: But Tyler Newman, you really like his.
Speaker 1: Ball skills and he fits the defense really well. Phillips
Speaker 1: also fits the defense man corner aggressive, not a lot
Speaker 1: of ball production, but reminds me a lot of Deontay Banks.
Speaker 2: And he's the corner on the other side.
Speaker 3: And I know you love THEO.
Speaker 2: Just the Johnson. I see like I'm okay with THEO Johnson.
Speaker 2: I think he's big.
Speaker 1: I think he's physical a little stiff in terms of
Speaker 1: athletic traits, like you're betting on upside there. Tyrone Tracy
Speaker 1: from Purdue one of the best pass catching backs in
Speaker 1: this draft. So love that fit.
Speaker 2: And then Darius I think it's from U. C. L a.
Speaker 2: Y's probably say that.
Speaker 1: I don't really know a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: file on him, but I actually I like the players
Speaker 1: in the draft.
Speaker 2: They felt a lot of needs.
Speaker 1: I think they got some playmakers and they got better offensively.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give this C minus.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna give it a C because it's just
Speaker 4: not enough draft picks. I didn't think they had enough.
Speaker 2: Only six picks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, only six picks.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna hold that against him when I know
Speaker 4: they was a team deprived of talent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously minus is being a little but you
Speaker 1: know it's a giant, so minus.
Speaker 3: I just give him a D.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm talking about, because.
Speaker 3: I don't like him. May be beating on us too much.
Speaker 3: I hate that.
Speaker 4: I'm a little pity right, And every time somebody say
Speaker 4: New York Giants, I close my eyes and all I
Speaker 4: see is Michael straight hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would never beat. I thought, I thought, I
Speaker 3: thought it was when I saw the Neighbors.
Speaker 5: Pick, I was like a quarterback. I was just that
Speaker 5: those pics want to be quarterback. But I understand it.
Speaker 5: It's crazy because I was watching the presser for All
Speaker 5: Neighbors and you know, you know these guys get you
Speaker 5: know Instagram, they take you to take the video and
Speaker 5: they go go to speaking on it, and they was like,
Speaker 5: here's a guy that was just in California. It was
Speaker 5: a guy sounding It's like he is a guy that
Speaker 5: was just in California. He was shopping for houses and
Speaker 5: now he and he in New York. He going to
Speaker 5: the New York Giant. Dude, this looked like a guy
Speaker 5: that want to be in New York. And I remember
Speaker 5: the face that he was making on that.
Speaker 3: I say, boy, he really hot right now, so you
Speaker 3: can say what you say. Don't get me wrong. He's
Speaker 3: happy to be drafted. Man, be happy. If I told
Speaker 3: you you going to the job, you aready be catching
Speaker 3: balls from Daniel job and he spoke about it. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, you gotta be careful what you say.
Speaker 3: What I told you.
Speaker 5: What happened to me that year going into my senior
Speaker 5: year in college, a guy we went to New York
Speaker 5: for some you know, the Big East Breakfast fall of Faller,
Speaker 5: you know, our captains, And I told him I don't
Speaker 5: want to come here.
Speaker 3: The next year I was there, so I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I said, open my big mouth. Yeah.
Speaker 5: He had just said when they was on a podcast,
Speaker 5: they asked him, what do you think about now you going.
Speaker 2: To the job? Oh I saw this.
Speaker 5: He said they better get a quarterback because you know,
Speaker 5: you know, the quarterback situation ain't right.
Speaker 3: So he so his first job is to apologize.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's legitimate.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to be like like real draft analysis,
Speaker 1: that's a legitimate criticism, like you've got all these weapons,
Speaker 1: and are you locked in at quarterback when you could
Speaker 1: have been locked in at quarterback?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Again, like I like these players a lot. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's let's do the Eagles. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: so much fun here we go. All right, So we
Speaker 1: got Quinnon Mitchell from Toledo the quarterback. We got Cooper
Speaker 1: Desine from Iowa. We got Jylex Hunt from Houston Christian Oh.
Speaker 1: They say he's the ultimate predator project. Yeah, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about him in a second. We got will Shipley from Clemson.
Speaker 1: Those are their first four. Let's talk about those guys
Speaker 1: real quick, Fred, do you want to start?
Speaker 3: Queen?
Speaker 4: Queen and Mitchell. I don't know how he failed to
Speaker 4: the end, Yeah, what he you? I thought he was
Speaker 4: only gone by fifteen, like the worst I've seen with fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Once I seen him fall out, like he go again?
Speaker 2: What was the reason though?
Speaker 4: They didn't say why. I just quarterbacks and back in
Speaker 4: tackles step out of there. And once they pushed him
Speaker 4: out of there, Philadelphia just sitting there. They had a
Speaker 4: chief state waiting.
Speaker 3: On before he at got there.
Speaker 2: But Queen apparently they tried to So what I heard
Speaker 2: is they tried to trade up, but no one wanted
Speaker 2: to trade. They having a wash. It like they tried
Speaker 2: to trade nineteen or something, and.
Speaker 1: Then no one's Everyone's like, no, we're good because there's
Speaker 1: all these good players, right, everyone's getting pushed down. You know.
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy because it was like the year
Speaker 3: of the offense.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it was really your offense heavy
Speaker 5: draft in the first round, and when I started seeing.
Speaker 3: Those defensive guys, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: How when it went from tackles, or went from quarterbacks
Speaker 5: to tackles, and soon as that first defensive guy was.
Speaker 3: Taking it was all that. It was all dens, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it was just weird.
Speaker 5: But one of the guys that stood out to me
Speaker 5: when you know with them, is is Cooper Dijohn, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like this just we was talking,
Speaker 5: I'm like, they asked me what I want him. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, do he fit what we do? But
Speaker 5: hell of a football player.
Speaker 4: But do you see him playing a safety or your safet? Yeah,
Speaker 4: a safety, he'll be a safety and a nickel he
Speaker 4: would be the honey badger.
Speaker 2: Yeah he would do.
Speaker 3: He'll have a and he returned kicks.
Speaker 4: And I just think when you put two guys, that's
Speaker 4: a young core to put with those young defensive tack
Speaker 4: becles they taken in the last couple of years. You
Speaker 4: got your sticky long coner, you got your safety slash
Speaker 4: nickel that can aggest, that can blitz, that can cover
Speaker 4: tight end, that can cover slots. That's coop of the
Speaker 4: gene to me is one of those fixtures. I think
Speaker 4: he'll be a ten year Philadelphia Eagle because I just
Speaker 4: think he's that type of player. He's got London say,
Speaker 4: don't there ever put him at Coner. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 4: London fields. And I can see that a little bit.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that real quick, because that's the
Speaker 1: player that got in the trade with Washington. With you,
Speaker 1: and so Washington traded back. They received fifty to fifty three, yeah,
Speaker 1: and one sixteen or once sixty one, excuse me, and
Speaker 1: then Philly received forty which was this pick seventy eight
Speaker 1: and one fifty two. So one thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: call attention to here is we got Mike sander Still
Speaker 1: out of this trade and Ben Sner not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: now this is this is I don't want to be
Speaker 1: hot taking here, and I kind of put I kind
Speaker 1: of put Sander Still and Cooper Degene as a slot
Speaker 1: players in a very similar tier. I give a slight
Speaker 1: edge to Cooper Degen, but in terms of getting a
Speaker 1: football player in the slot safety kind of ballpark, sander
Speaker 1: Still is excellent. So to trade back, get a guy,
Speaker 1: get two guys a very good value. I think that trade,
Speaker 1: even though they get Cooper Degene, yeah, kind of favors Washington.
Speaker 3: No, I do, because I almost had to put uh
Speaker 3: the tackle in there too.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like at the end of the day, we end up
Speaker 4: with three second round picks, and all those second round
Speaker 4: picks will be guys that'll be added to this team.
Speaker 3: These guys are going to play a lot of rip.
Speaker 4: So if I'm taking three compared to one, I think
Speaker 4: I'm winning to go back and get there.
Speaker 3: I'm fine. Then most people were like, I could Washington
Speaker 3: trade with Philip deevs. We ain't here for bes. We
Speaker 3: don't do feelings no more like we was doing that
Speaker 3: years ago. You know, we can't cherry with him. Yes
Speaker 3: I can. You got that pick. I won't it here.
Speaker 3: You take it, especially if I'm getting more foot so
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next one is Jelex Hunt from Houston Christian Really
Speaker 1: he played safety at like Yale or Cornell or something
Speaker 1: like that, then transferred played stand up edge.
Speaker 2: I mean he looks the part.
Speaker 1: He's thirty four in charms, fast moves well, developmental guy.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not looking for him to play next year,
Speaker 2: but they don't have to because they're Philly. They have
Speaker 2: like thousand defensive You.
Speaker 5: Notice how most of these guys in the draft, has
Speaker 5: played elsewhere, like have been on that's something three four
Speaker 5: years and played the last year of this other team
Speaker 5: and got drafted.
Speaker 3: That's what they do now.
Speaker 1: They took and run and then Will Shipley from l
Speaker 1: Clemson the next guy, who I as a pass catching
Speaker 1: back I really enjoyed watching. Reminds me a lot. They're
Speaker 1: not the same player. They're not the same player. They're
Speaker 1: not the same player. Remind me a little bit of
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, okay, not the same player.
Speaker 3: I was you gonna say, that's why.
Speaker 1: But there were some similarities in terms of being able
Speaker 1: to line up in the slot, run a choice, find
Speaker 1: mismatches in the past game.
Speaker 2: So I really liked those first four picks. And they
Speaker 2: got let's go next four.
Speaker 1: We got a Nia Smith from Texas A and m
Speaker 1: Yes Trotter from Clemson, Trevor Keagan from Michigan. We got
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson from Florida State and Dylan McMahon.
Speaker 2: McMahon McMahon, I know.
Speaker 1: He plays center. I don't know what I know what
Speaker 1: school is from, So leave a comment if you know
Speaker 1: what schools from. Undersized center, though, what do you think fred.
Speaker 3: Nia Y Smith is a do it all type of guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he will be working a slot. Uh you could.
Speaker 3: You can motion into backfield if you wanted to. He's
Speaker 3: a return guy.
Speaker 4: I didn't foresee him going this early, but he was
Speaker 4: a guy that you know, I kicked my eye on.
Speaker 4: I was like, somebody with a plane gonna get this guy,
Speaker 4: and he can be He can be special almost not
Speaker 4: because this one play running big one play while received.
Speaker 4: But you remember last year when Miami drafted a train
Speaker 4: h and people like I wonder how to gonna use him?
Speaker 4: I think has a plan to do with Smith the
Speaker 4: same way and Jeremi, I try to he's to We keep.
Speaker 2: Talking about pedigree.
Speaker 4: I agree in parents, Philadelphiel drafting his dadd and now
Speaker 4: they drafted him. And I think they drafted him because
Speaker 4: they know he can be a project, that we can
Speaker 4: work on him and hunt.
Speaker 3: But do you think he felt fail I thought he
Speaker 3: was supposed to be drafting early.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that hurt him in
Speaker 1: the pre draft he didn't test, and so when you
Speaker 1: watch my film, you're like, I don't know how athletic
Speaker 1: you are. He didn't run, and he didn't do anything
Speaker 1: else and so instinctive football players, smart football player. But
Speaker 1: with that linebacker spot, you need We talked about it
Speaker 1: with McGee. You need some coverage, trades of ability. So
Speaker 1: I think that's what hurt him.
Speaker 5: I just hate to see guys that I like playing
Speaker 5: for the guys in our Johnny Wilson, we got to that.
Speaker 1: We fought, let's talk about Johnny will because think a
Speaker 1: lot of fans probably feel the same way.
Speaker 2: So you know, just to guy Jason and I.
Speaker 1: We went to the Senior boy went to the combine,
Speaker 1: and so Johnny Wilson obviously very physically impressive. I mean
Speaker 1: he's he's literally I've never I've never I can honestly
Speaker 1: say this, never seen a receiver looks like him. The
Speaker 1: problem with Johnny Wilson that he didn't I don't think
Speaker 1: you fit with the Commander's draft vision because you watch
Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl. He did it, did his
Speaker 1: one on ones, then left practice. He had an injury,
Speaker 1: but he left practice, went to the combine, crushed every
Speaker 1: route about halfway through, hamstring tightened up.
Speaker 2: Left.
Speaker 1: Talk to people at Florida State, how much does he
Speaker 1: love football? And look at the guys we've got they
Speaker 1: die for football. So in terms of traits, athleticism, upside,
Speaker 1: you like this pick for Philly, But he's not He's
Speaker 1: not a commander with the sea on it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what differentiates him.
Speaker 1: Again, like the we the commanders in my opinion, Now
Speaker 1: you'd have to talk to Adam or you know, Dan
Speaker 1: about this. We were not this year in a position
Speaker 1: to accommodate that. We got to establish our culture and
Speaker 1: like maybe if we've got a couple veteran like veterans
Speaker 1: in the locker room that can bring the young guy
Speaker 1: along and say this is how we do things as
Speaker 1: a commander, you feel more comfortable.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they felt that the team was
Speaker 2: there yet.
Speaker 3: It makes it makes sense. I could deal with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so Trevor Keagan's offensive lineman, Del McMahon offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I like a lot of these players. I like the
Speaker 1: upside of Jeremiah Tater, Junior Ania Smith. You talked about
Speaker 1: love the like that Johnny Wilson could be a home
Speaker 1: run swing for them late love the first four picks.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give him D minus. It's nice.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give them a see you in Philly.
Speaker 2: See what you got, Tanda.
Speaker 5: I'm filling one of them teams. I don't hate him
Speaker 5: as much as I hate to two guys.
Speaker 2: Minus.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah that seems fair, like all those players
Speaker 1: given me se minus love it all right?
Speaker 2: Now, let's do the Cowboys. I don't even need to
Speaker 2: see this, I know.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: My grades would be.
Speaker 1: Tyler Gland from Tyler Guyden from Oklahoma, Marshawn Neeland from
Speaker 1: Western Michigan, Cooper Bebbe from Kansas State. Yeah, Maurice lufol
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame, Caitlin Carson from Wake Forrest, Ryan Florinoy
Speaker 1: from Southern Missouri, No Eastern Missouri, Western Missouri, Directional Missouri
Speaker 1: is where he's from. Nathan Thomas is a raging Cajun,
Speaker 1: and I don't know who Justin Rodgers is. So you
Speaker 1: google that if you're a Dallas Cowboy fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's talk about the first four.
Speaker 3: You know how Field about Tyler Guiden. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: how both of us feeled about marsha and so Tyler.
Speaker 1: Guiden project a little bit. And that's where again, like,
Speaker 1: is the value to trade him in the first round
Speaker 1: for athletic traits worth it something to think about. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't be ready probably this year, and knowing he's going
Speaker 1: in Dallas, he probably will because the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'll probably have to play.
Speaker 1: But like the athletic traits are out there, insane, like insane,
Speaker 1: built in the lab type stuff. Marshawn Neeland. Love the player,
Speaker 1: love the effort. I think a guy that could have
Speaker 1: easily been here in Washington. Power rushers sometimes have a
Speaker 1: hard time at the next level because the power that
Speaker 1: they played within colleges and translate.
Speaker 2: But love that guy.
Speaker 1: Cooper Bibay one of the best, most physical run blocking guards,
Speaker 1: steal old man. Worry about his past protection ability, Yep,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying in terms of he's got
Speaker 1: thirty inch thirty one in charms, so sometimes those longer
Speaker 1: guys get after you a little bit and Reese through foul.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the most physical downhill linebackers in the class,
Speaker 1: so I was very high on him. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: Kellen Carson, physical corner, Ryan Florinoy excellent kind of special
Speaker 1: teams wide receiver with athletic traits UH.
Speaker 2: And then Nathan Rogers.
Speaker 1: Nathan Thomas is a guy that I think he was
Speaker 1: like six six three forty probably moves to guard, but
Speaker 1: another depth piece there for them.
Speaker 4: And so the guy Justin Rodgers because you don't know
Speaker 4: who the game do you know who he is? You
Speaker 4: know what I told you, I don't like regular named football.
Speaker 4: You know how I feel about it.
Speaker 2: So everywhere, what are thoughts about the captain?
Speaker 3: I care nothing about those guys. Let's go hand skip,
Speaker 3: let's go a hand move forward. Yeah, I have to
Speaker 3: say you.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, they added some guys
Speaker 4: to a team that already kind of fall apart of
Speaker 4: little bit you know what, they are mentally following up
Speaker 4: like they on the point so bad that Jerry.
Speaker 3: Just blabborating that name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So during the draft, everyone knew they wanted
Speaker 1: a running back. No, they wrote it one running but
Speaker 1: I mean they knew they were going to target a
Speaker 1: running back.
Speaker 2: And so which one is it going to be? Is
Speaker 2: it going to be? You know, I don't know, Trey Benson,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks? Who knows? And then Jerry after day one goes,
Speaker 2: we are high high high, he's high high on our boards.
Speaker 2: What's his name?
Speaker 1: Jonathan Brooks? We want to draft Jonathan Brooks? Interview in
Speaker 1: my thirty years. I thought it was the best interview
Speaker 1: that I'd ever had with a player. He's outstanding and
Speaker 1: he's a great football player, so obviously interest is high, right,
Speaker 1: And then what does the Carolina Panthers do? They say no,
Speaker 1: and then Carolina traded up ahead of.
Speaker 3: The Cowboy h bigs before the Cowboys like Jo No,
Speaker 3: I have to look back like two pigs before. Just
Speaker 3: to really give it to him, it's socking. Listen.
Speaker 4: It was so bad that they got on the phone
Speaker 4: and signed Zeke the next twenty four hours, a twenty
Speaker 4: nine year old z in a crop top.
Speaker 3: They didn't signed him right after They couldn't get your job.
Speaker 2: So I mean because of that, I'd probably give it
Speaker 2: like an alf funny think.
Speaker 5: Yeah I didn't give me, don't care about but hey,
Speaker 5: i'd say this though them getting ze back.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for him, man, you know that a marriage
Speaker 3: maiden head. I feel like he should have never left it.
Speaker 5: And you know, I feel like he was a workhorse,
Speaker 5: fun man that they should have kept around. But just
Speaker 5: to see that and went on that transpired. Man, that
Speaker 5: just goes to show you, man, now you really you
Speaker 5: really don't understand until you understand Jerry Jones day do
Speaker 5: a whole lot for them, But that ain't what we
Speaker 5: need you to be doing. Jered that day, Let you boys,
Speaker 5: let your son whoever else have that job, do that
Speaker 5: because you were out displating the beans.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Hey, like they said church, won't he do it?
Speaker 2: Every year? He does that every year?
Speaker 3: He doesn't?
Speaker 1: Yeah the uh the so they also last year didn't
Speaker 1: he pulled up he held up the actual big board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every picky won it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a wacky that's a wacky bitch.
Speaker 3: It's dirty because he does it every year. I don't
Speaker 3: think you know he's doing it, or do you think he's.
Speaker 2: Doing it, like because we're talking about it, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: He's Jerry. He hasn't lived by rules in fifty years. Like,
Speaker 4: what are you who's going to stop him? Lit Jerry
Speaker 4: stop him?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, nobody. He's He's like.
Speaker 4: He's unstoppable for us. I'm sorry, Like Tannis say, as
Speaker 4: good as as much ed up as he brings to
Speaker 4: I don't even call him America's team. I caught him
Speaker 4: Austin's team.
Speaker 3: As much as he brings to the team, he takes
Speaker 3: ton of that away ton over the.
Speaker 2: Way, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, So we gave everybody else a grade, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we need to finish off by giving the
Speaker 1: commanders a grade.
Speaker 4: It's so hard to grade before we see these guys down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just it's unfair sometime. But for the selections and
Speaker 4: and I'm really feel great the maneuvering. I was so
Speaker 4: impressed with the I'm gonna trade back and get this secondess,
Speaker 4: this third second round pick, so the mind frame, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give them an A for staying disciplined to
Speaker 4: your board. Most teams don't do it. Most teams see
Speaker 4: that that can't out there. Danglyn, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 4: get that coop of the gene.
Speaker 3: No, Sandy Scriell as well.
Speaker 4: We want so then stay put. So I am gonna
Speaker 4: give them the props for staying there. Yeah, and getting
Speaker 4: guys like being knocked the snot at you.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you an A for that.
Speaker 5: I'm giving them b You know all I said before,
Speaker 5: I was I was impressed. I love it the month,
Speaker 5: you know, like they still got to go out there
Speaker 5: and play the game and say I go out there
Speaker 5: and develop these guys.
Speaker 3: You don't know who's gonna make the squad who's not.
Speaker 5: I don't want to get too technical with it, but
Speaker 5: when it comes to just seeing how things was done differently,
Speaker 5: that BEE stands for just man, I'm happy to see
Speaker 5: if it really was a change, I really saw them.
Speaker 5: You know, it didn't look like the I guess you
Speaker 5: could say the Commanders or Washington teams of Oh oh yeah,
Speaker 5: you know from the years I've been around here, right,
Speaker 5: you're just reaching just to reach, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: throwing money at.
Speaker 2: The football team.
Speaker 1: I think that's actually that's excellent, Enow, that's exactly I
Speaker 1: feel exactly the same way I think, though, I give
Speaker 1: it a B plus because they've got a quarterback of
Speaker 1: the future. We even't talked about that a lot, but
Speaker 1: I think like that's.
Speaker 2: A huge part.
Speaker 1: You got a new owner, new head coach, new GM
Speaker 1: and now a new quarterback and a guy that is
Speaker 1: tremendously talented. We got to sit down and talk with him,
Speaker 1: and just his maturity in the interview that he showed
Speaker 1: like his maturity on draft night. And again I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's going to be the savor of the organization.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put that pressure on him. But
Speaker 1: it's nice guy.
Speaker 2: I like they're not saying he's to say to get together.
Speaker 3: How many time have we seen us jack with quarterback
Speaker 3: and say here r G three, go save us. No,
Speaker 3: they said, hey, dude.
Speaker 4: You pull it over a puzzle. Come on in here
Speaker 4: and hopefully you can get to the point where you're
Speaker 4: taking us to champion.
Speaker 1: And again the fact that he's so talented and the
Speaker 1: upside's there. And then to Fred's point, that mindset around him, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think is incredibly important. So I'm excited for that
Speaker 1: something to give him a B plus. And again for
Speaker 1: the process for the quarterback, and I think just again
Speaker 1: for sticking to your board. I think all those points
Speaker 1: are one hundred percent true and that's why we feel
Speaker 1: so excited about it. I think that's going to do
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