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Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Browns, Jade Donovan in studio here at

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Speaker 1: the Cross Country Mortgage Campus in Barria's great to see it,

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Speaker 1: great to have you in the studio. It is nice

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Speaker 1: to be here. What a beautiful day outside. It's good

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Speaker 1: to be here. Good to see you. We've had a

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Speaker 1: busy couple of weeks, Busier than I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people thought was going to be able for them

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Speaker 1: to get these things that they got done done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and really one of the busiest couple of weeks of

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Speaker 1: any team in the National Football League when you think

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Speaker 1: about all the bodies that were added to this roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I think and I'm sure you picked up these vibes,

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Speaker 1: really fearful when they heard while they're so far over

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Speaker 1: they spend. But then I think when they didn't get

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Speaker 1: they did. I mean, and they've really done it very

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Speaker 1: a very high rate, a higher rate of signings than

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Speaker 1: I thought. Yeah, And I think what was interesting coming

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Speaker 1: the Browns were into the end. They were able to

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Speaker 1: trade right and then signed Marquis Goodwin. Yeah, well done,

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Speaker 1: picking up these other players that kind of fill fill

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Speaker 1: he's coming here, Wis Martin. And then you get specific

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Speaker 1: players they really have made their way in the NFL

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Speaker 1: by virtue of special teams. So Michael Ford and the

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Speaker 1: kid Adams coming in, the linebacker coming in who seemed

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Speaker 1: like you know Ray Bubba Ventron really looked at those

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Speaker 1: least one of them. Got to have him back. Want

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Speaker 1: and that's the thing, it's it's pretty complete. Right now.

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Speaker 1: of things? So will you put more on plate in

428
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: that way this year? And kind of lettle bit Yeah,

429
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: I think with all that, I think comfort in the

430
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: system that certainly comes. And and the quarterback, as we

431
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: say this all the time, has the trump card because

432
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: he's got the best view of it from where he is.

433
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: So there were times last year where DeShawn made great

434
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: adjustments to what we're doing, and he always has that ability.

435
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: I think as he becomes more comfortable in our system,

436
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: he'll know when and where to do that more often.

437
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 1: A lot of times when you're playing no huddle that

438
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: that comes up more often than not. When you're at

439
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, you're making those decisions. So he

440
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: did it some last year. I think that will only

441
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: grow the more reps he gets in our system. Done.

442
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: What's happening with your training, Tam, Yeah, so we we

443
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: we we're gonna end a week early, so we'll have

444
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: two weeks OTAs into our mini camp as opposed to

445
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: three weeks of OTAs into our mini camp. So it'll

446
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: be uh OTAs one through through three, OTA's four through six,

447
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: then a mini camp, and then we'll be done because

448
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back a week early. So it took

449
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: a week off of the off season program, added it

450
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,479
Speaker 1: to training camps. Yeah, Down's a great a lot um

451
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: you know. I'll start with the person. He's a really

452
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: really good person, awesome in the in the in the building,

453
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: provides great leadership to some of our young players. And

454
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: then he's he's a big man and he's a big,

455
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: powerful man. He gets off the football, so we feel

456
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: like he's a plus in the run game. He's pushing

457
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: the pocket in the past game. So it just was

458
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: a key piece for us in this free agency. Jim,

459
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: what do you guys? Yeah, Jim, the entire deep and stuff.

460
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: We're all thrilled with the guys we've been able to

461
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: add really at all levels of the defense. Um, like

462
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, you're always looking for more and

463
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: and and I promise you every coach once more UM.

464
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, jim Is and the staff, they're they're excited

465
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: that they U we're meeting a long for a long

466
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: time right now, just trying to figure out where we

467
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: want to go with this defense and hammer it away

468
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: so that April seventeenth were ready to go when the

469
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: players show up. Spent all this money on all these

470
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: draft nicks on and get back to Yeah, I think

471
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: confidence for me comes from seeing it, and I've seen

472
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: him do it, Mary Caps, I saw him do it

473
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: and those games last season. I know it wasn't perfect.

474
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't perfect. Weren't perfect around him, and as

475
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: we all know, it's not a one man show. It's

476
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: a team game, and we didn't have enough as much

477
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: team successes as we would have liked late in the

478
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: season there. But I've seen it from the Shawn A game.

479
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: I've seen it from practice. I've seen it in his career.

480
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm confidence. Once that you want to

481
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: run that's not produced? What is Russia Thompson's Can you

482
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: say no? I mean Nick's a major part of our

483
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: offense always will be. UM. I mean he was I

484
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: thought very productive last season, had a good amount of

485
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: attempts last season. Um, you're always trying to get the

486
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: best version of Nick. So that's always part of our plan,

487
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: is to make sure that he's fresh for a seventeen

488
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: game season plus. UM. But he Nick will always be

489
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: a big part of our office. Yeah, that's something we're

490
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to work through and see who earns that role,

491
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: so to speak. Um, but that's definitely an area that

492
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: we need to look at, and Jerome as a candidate

493
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: for that. Um, And we'll see how he goes through

494
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: the spring points Pro game. Yeah, I mean, we just

495
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about as a league, how close these games are.

496
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: The marginal victory I think was the closest it's been

497
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: in a long long time. So I don't know what

498
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: the number is. H You've heard twenty four kind of

499
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: thrown around in that vein twenty four to twenty five,

500
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: twenty six, But obviously it's whatever it takes in that

501
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: given week. But I do think the way the rules

502
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: are written, the way some of these offenses are, I

503
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: do think it's it's probably fair to say you're in

504
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: that twenty four plus range. Thank you kind of talked

505
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 1: a little bit about. I mean, you got to put

506
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: scouting for as you feel, I feel very comfortable again

507
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: a lot as you somebody we did a lot of

508
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: work on coming out. Um, we were able to talk

509
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: to a bunch of different people. I feel very comfortable

510
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: with the person we're getting where. I was able to

511
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: spend time with him last week, sit down and talk

512
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: about all sorts of things, and uh, I'm thrilled about

513
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: adding him to the group. All right, that's Brown's head

514
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: coach Kevin Stefanski from the owners meetings down in Arizona

515
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: and Jim obviously a lot of that talk about Elijah More.

516
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: We did the coaches event last week, right, I had

517
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: just been traded that day that day, and it was

518
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 1: pretty clear that he was somebody that the people in

519
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: this building really liked coming out. They looked at him

520
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: last year at the deadline, and then this year they

521
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: got him. Yeah, they get him and they on the

522
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: other side of that, I can remember Kevin saying, boy,

523
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: was he excited about the trade. The player? You know,

524
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore was excited. I mean he was ecstatic over

525
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: the phone when they first hearted contact with him. You know,

526
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: he wanted to get out of there, There's no doubt

527
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: about it. He had burned a few bridges there, but

528
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: and it was time to relocate. And it's a good situation,

529
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: new team, fresh news start, and I think he likes

530
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: what he has here. Definitely a quarterback that was a

531
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: main issue for him with the Jets, Zach Wilson, Mike White,

532
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: those people mostly Jack Wilson, and how ineffective he was.

533
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: I can't remember the day we played them because they

534
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: try and put that game out out of my mind.

535
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: But what did he do much in that game? The

536
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: home opener that day. I think he caught a couple

537
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: of passes that was with Flacco, but nothing. Yeah, that

538
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: was he was disgruntled pretty early on. He ended his

539
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: rookie season. The final six games of his rookie season

540
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: is when he played really really well. I think he

541
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: had five touchdowns or four or five touchdowns in those

542
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: final six games. He had one hundred yard game. He

543
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: had really kind of that's where they thought he had

544
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: turned the corner and that he was going to be

545
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: When we had Rich Tominion, you know, he said, this

546
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: is a guy that was one of our core, supposed

547
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: to be one of the core Jets. Coming out of

548
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: that end of that rookie season. Let's see Week two,

549
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: three for forty one on five targets. There you go. Yeah,

550
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: but he finished that. Going back to that rookie year,

551
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: his final six game, six for sixty seven, seven for

552
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: eighty four and two three for forty four and a touchdown,

553
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: eight one forty one, a touchdown, four for forty six,

554
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: six for seventy seven and a touchdown. So they kind

555
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: of thought that's what he would build on. And really

556
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: this past year he only got over sixty yards in

557
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: one game and was disgruntled after kind of the way

558
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: things were going there once especially once you know Zach

559
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: Wilson returned to the starting lineup. But a guy with

560
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot of talent and an opportunity. He knows Deshaun Watson,

561
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: he knows Zamari Cooper from the same area part of Florida,

562
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: So hopefully, yeah, he can be we can get that

563
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: guy that we saw at the end of his rookie

564
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: year there from Saint Thomas aquinas in forts a powerhouse program.

565
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: Quite yeah, that's the powerhouse program. The other thing is,

566
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: and especially now with the combination of him coming here

567
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: and he's played and then you get Goodwin who's played

568
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: a lot and for a number of teams, and he's

569
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: thirty two years old. You have guys that kind of

570
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: know the game a little bit. Now, Goodwin obviously knows

571
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: it very well. And you know, Elijah Moore was a

572
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: big part planned to be a big part for the Jets,

573
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: and he's played the game and he brings a lot

574
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: of credentials into it. He's blushed with great speed. I

575
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: just felt that it's commendable for the Browns, but I

576
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: think it hurt the Browns lot that there were a

577
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: lot of projects at Wide Receiver. I mean, there was

578
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: Cooper Donovan, People's Jones is a quick climber, and I

579
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: think but not totally finished off yet, but I think

580
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: he's getting closer and closer. And I think at the

581
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: end of the year he was he was right there.

582
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: But after that there were a lot of projects. Schwartz project,

583
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: Michael Woods project, David Bell big time project. You know,

584
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: there were a lot of guys that you know that

585
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, not proven and kind of learning the

586
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: game and you and there were in games that you

587
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: needed to win. So I think just the fact that

588
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: that Wide Receiver room will now have speed, it will

589
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: have experience, it will have Cooper. It will have Donovan

590
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: People's Jones, who was really graduating now to become a

591
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: full credential go to guy at wide receiver. You're just

592
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: so much better now at that spot. You were really

593
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: limited almost to whatever side of the field Cooper Cooper

594
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: was on, you know, because he was he became that

595
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: much of a staple. And when you couldn't get the

596
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: ball to him, Nathan and there were time when teams

597
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: would say, hey, listen, I don't care what these other

598
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: guys do, but we're not gonna let him get on

599
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: a roll. They would struggle offensively in periods of those

600
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: games until they could find a way to get him

601
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah. I mean, here's the crazy staff from

602
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: last year. A Mark Cooper had nine touchdowns. The Browns

603
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: had nineteen passing touchdowns. Amark Cooper caught nine of those

604
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: down into People's Jones three. So that's twelve of the

605
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: nineteen to Joku fours. That's sixteen of the nineteen. Nick

606
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: chubbcot one, Cream Hunt caught one which was Week one,

607
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: and Harrison Bryant caught one. That's it. No other receiver

608
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: on the roster last year. The only the receiver who

609
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: would even had a touchdown catch was Dmitric Felton, who

610
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: had two in his rookie year. But that was it.

611
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Not another receiver caught a touchdown last year. Yeah, Remember

612
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Schwartz was a running play thirty five yards out. But

613
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: you look at the rest of that receiving room. You know,

614
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: David Bell was number three with two hundred and fourteen yards.

615
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Nobody else even had sixty yards in our wide receiver room.

616
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: And now you're gonna add in a good win, You're

617
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna Elijah War It's gonna be very different, and where

618
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: our offense is gonna be very different. Yeah, I mean,

619
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm feeling we're gonna throw the ball a lot more.

620
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: And that is no admission of defeat. With the running game,

621
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: it is still very much there. There's no doubt about it.

622
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: But I wanted to bring this up to you because

623
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. I have noticed since post

624
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: playoffs those two years that the Browns have not made

625
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They come the month of December. In both seasons,

626
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: the Nick Chubb runs became tougher to hit. There were

627
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of one yards, you know, there were a

628
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: lot of points in games where you know, the Browns

629
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: would get into that position where we would say, all right,

630
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna just run this thing up, you know, And

631
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: they couldn't do that for one reason or another. And

632
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I don't know if

633
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: it was the offensive line or if it was just

634
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: that they had become very predictable. People said, hey, listen,

635
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: we're just gonna clog the box up on them and

636
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: really throw a lot of people at Nick Chubb. But

637
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: if you remember those the playoff year when they made

638
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: the play offs and they were on the run at

639
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: the end of a year, he ran the game out

640
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: a number of times. He literally ran it out against Houston.

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Speaker 1: Remember he ran out of bounds right too. Yeah, it

642
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: was a beautiful play. He ran it out with the

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00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: stiff arm against the Eagles those three games where they

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00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: had the bad weather Raiders, Texans Eagles, he was running

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the game off when they needed that last drop to

646
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: run the clock out. Against the Steelers and clinched the spot.

647
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: He got them down and Baker got the big run

648
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: that got the first down. But I remember Chubb hit

649
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: a big couple of big runs to get up down there.

650
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: His first run was the first touchdown. But we could

651
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: not do that, you know, in the last couple of years.

652
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: And again, as you said, people adjust to you, they adjust,

653
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Speaker 1: and I think that part of when you are as

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Speaker 1: dynamic as Nick Chubb is, you also get worn down

655
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: a little bit as the season goes on, which is

656
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: one of the reason why I know everybody says we

657
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: got to give him twenty plus carries. Every one of

658
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: the reasons they don't just because they're trying to keep

659
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: them fresh. So here's just this is to me somewhat interesting.

660
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: So Nick Chubb in September, for this is for his career,

661
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred and thirty nine yards five point eight yards

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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: to carry, seventeen touchdowns in September. In October, and that

663
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: was in seventeen games. Sixteen games in October, thirteen hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy seven yards five point five yards a carry

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Speaker 1: and ten touchdowns. November sixteen games, by the way, eleven

666
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: and five, which is his best month of his career,

667
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: eleven and five and sixteen November games fifteen hundred and

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00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: eighty nine yards, So that's the most of any month,

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00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: five point one yards a carry, ten touchdowns, So the

670
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: yards have gone consistently down each month. And then December

671
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: twenty one games. In December he has a fifteen hundred

672
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: and thirty one yards four point five yards a carry

673
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: and ten touchdowns, so one hundred carries more than in October,

674
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: same number of touchdowns, a full yard per carry less.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking immediately of the game a couple of

676
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: years ago, a COVID game when we got pushed to

677
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: the Monday game from the radar Saturday, Nick Mullin, and

678
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: all we need is the first down to win the game,

679
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: because Greedy had picked the pass off after they had

680
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: hit Harrison Bryan with the go ahead score on an

681
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: amazing comeback considering the state of the team, the coach

682
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: isn't there, um, and they're in a big years thinking

683
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: this is over. They're going to get the first down

684
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: and the Raiders will never get the ball back. And

685
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: he got like six yards on first down and they

686
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: could not get the next to play. They gave it

687
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: to him three times, Yeah, and they couldn't get it.

688
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: And remember have they hung on They were very much alive.

689
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: They were still right, yes, right, Well, I would have

690
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: made that game in Pittsburgh a lot more. Yeah, Now

691
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: that was that, you're right, and that was rough. And

692
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: then you know, the Raiders get the ball back a

693
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: couple of big passes and Carlson hits a bomb into

694
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: the dog Pound, which believable, unbelievable. That was kind of

695
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: the story of that season though, And I do think

696
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, and you'd go back also in that same

697
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: season though, you go to the Thursday night game with

698
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Jarnis Johnson when Chubb didn't play, when we needed to

699
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: run the clock out, and we were able to do

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Speaker 1: something through that against Denver. Yeah, yeah, and you just

701
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to do. I think now we're

702
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: getting we have so much more variance and who can

703
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: actually carry the football to pick up a couple of

704
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: yards at the end of a drive with Deshaun and

705
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: what they're gonna be able to do, It'll be interesting

706
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: to see. But I think that those stats and I

707
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: had no idea when I pulled up you said that anecdotally,

708
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: when I pulled up the splits, I had no idea

709
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: what they were going to say. But it's clear from

710
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: September and October to December he loses about a yard

711
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: per carry and and you know, late stages in December

712
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: games are coming right down. Of course, it's my yard.

713
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: A yard is everything. A yard keeps you out of

714
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's one play here. There is absolutely one

715
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: miss tackle or one miss block in the case of

716
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: slowing down the ground game. All right, when we come back,

717
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna go around the league. A lot going on,

718
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: obviously Lamar Jackson at the forefront of that. It's been

719
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: the topic for a lot of people. Some are not

720
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: interested in talking about it, like Bill Belichick, but the

721
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson story obviously permeating through the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that when we come back on Cleveland

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00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:08,200
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00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:19,440
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726
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,839
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727
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: Coming soon to Ohio. Time now to go around the league.

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: All right, Jim, I'm just gonna say two words. Lamar Jackson. Wow,

729
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: what a day coming out of the owners meetings and

730
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: wherever he is, Lamar Jackson, and you talk about timing.

731
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: John Harbor is sitting down, you know. We heard Kevin

732
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: Stefanski with our media. John Harbor is gonna sit down suddenly.

733
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: You couldn't get near his table. I understand because the

734
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: tweet from Lamar Jackson was timed right up against when

735
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: he was gonna tweet with the media. And he doesn't

736
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: feel like an accident. No, no, I don't think so. Yeah, unbelievable.

737
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: You know the thing now, Nathan is it's gotten into

738
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: a dangerous level because it's really become personal, and it's

739
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: become personal because he doesn't have an agent and he's

740
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: listening to it apparently himself, and he's doing it or

741
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: you know, family member's mom has been mentioned in the past,

742
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: but this was the problem that baseball entered into when

743
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: arbitration came into Major League baseball. And the hard part

744
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: was players said. You would go into the room and

745
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: you would put what you think you were going to make, okay,

746
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: as what the salary should be, he said, and then

747
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: your team would sit. There would be a mediator in

748
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: the middle, and your team would sit on the other

749
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: side of the room, and they would put down a

750
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: figure which was much less than the figure you put down.

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00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: That's why you're there in the first place, and then

752
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: they would take apart your game, you're not worthy, you

753
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: don't hit with runners in scoring position. You know, you

754
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: went into a bad slump in July and suddenly you

755
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: feel terrible. So that's why baseball teams now really do

756
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: everything they can to avoid arbitration. This now has become

757
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: very personal. I mean, that was a goodbye message yesterday,

758
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: Baker wrote, kind of the goodbye message heard about this

759
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: time last year, wasn't it. Well? It feels clear that

760
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: he does not want to play there. It also feels

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00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: like the Ravens are not just acquiescing to that. We

762
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: heard Harbaugh talk about how he's going to be our quarterback.

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00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: We weard Sashi Brown last night, the president of the

764
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: Ravens and former GM here of the Browns, talk about

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00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: how they are committed to getting it done and they

766
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: feel like they will be able to work something out

767
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: with them are I think you're right. It feels deeply personal.

768
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, I was talking with Gerard about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think that it can all be true that Lamar

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00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: Jackson wants to be paid commensurate with what he thinks

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00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: his worth is. And certainly, you know, as Drid point out,

772
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: like he's got to make more than Danny dimes, and

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00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, I would say, on an apples to

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00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: apples basis, you'd say yes. But the Ravens would probably

775
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: say the Giants made a poor decision and that should

776
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: not necessarily calculate into our decision here. But I think

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00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: that the Ravens really really like Lamar Jackson. But I

778
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: do think that there is a reasonable question not only

779
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: with the Ravens but around the league, that is he

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00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: somebody you can win a Super Bowl with? He has

781
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: not been available in December two years in a row.

782
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: His passing has not been as good the last two

783
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: seasons as it was the seasons before. Is he going

784
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: to be able to maintain what makes him so electric

785
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: and dynamic the running with injury concern and the risk

786
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: This is a very different animal altogether than in terms of,

787
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, if he was just a pure pocket passer,

788
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: for example, or even if he had kind of shown

789
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: from a build standpoint and a durability standpoint what Jalen

790
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: Hurts showed last year. I think Eagles be much more

791
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: comfortable Jalen Hurts right now than Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's

792
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: been the MVP of the league, I think so. The

793
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: other thing is when he was available. He's only won

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00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: one postseason game, yep. And his postseason losses have come

795
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: at home. He's lost, He's lost at home when they

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00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: have gone in as a team that has home field advantage.

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00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean he got beat by the Chargers one time

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00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: in there he MVP. Yeah, I mean he didn't he

799
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: get beat by Tennessee another time? Or you know, he

800
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: lost at home a couple of a couple of big

801
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: playoff games. M he. I think his only win actually

802
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: was on the road, and yeah it was had tennis

803
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: and it was tennis. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the other thing, though,

804
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: is that you know, you measure can you get through

805
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: the postseason with him? Number one is can you get

806
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: to the postseason with him? Is he going to be

807
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: healthy enough? And in the last two years that's a

808
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: big question mark because he hasn't been there. And then

809
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: number two is can he win in the postseason? And

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00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: he has not shown an overriding ability to say, yeah,

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00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: he gets us into a big game, we're gonna be

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00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: able to win. I mean, didn't he get hurt in

813
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: the playoff game against Buffalo up in Buffalo and they

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00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: had to they had to get him out he got

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Speaker 1: concusting YEA. So four playoff games for Lamar Jackson, one

816
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: in three is his record fifty five point nine percent

817
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: completion percentage, nine hundred yards passing, three touchdowns, five interceptions,

818
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: and the list of this nineteen sacks in those four

819
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: games quarterback in the playoffs of sixty eight point three

820
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: and so, yes, he is one of the most explosive,

821
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: dynamic playmakers in the league. That is true. But he

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00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: wants the guaranteed contract. It feels like a lot of

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00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: people are not comfortable giving that to him, including the

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00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: Ravens at the level that he wants. I think the

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: Ravens are fine saying we'll give you, you know, the

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00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: three years. Didn't he say he was offered three years

827
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: forty million and he said that he had turned that downright,

828
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Speaker 1: So now we'll see either's gonna play for thirty two

829
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: for them, somebody's gonna make put together an offer sheet.

830
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: But it feels like there's more every day everybody's just

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Speaker 1: saying we're not going after Lamar Jackson. Well, it sounded

832
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: even last night there was a hint that maybe Indianapolis

833
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: was interested. But then today, you know, Jim Ursey kind

834
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: of backed off that a little bit. I'm uncomfortable with

835
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contract. I'm uncomfortable with what the compensation would

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Speaker 1: probably have to be. Two Okay, I mean you're talking

837
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: about a hefty load there, and so even the Cults,

838
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: who seemed to be at least publicly the only team

839
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: that kind of said, yeah, I mean maybe this would

840
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: be where um, But you're right. I mean, everybody's kind

841
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: of holding firm that they're staying back away from it,

842
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: and he can't get an offer obviously. He is putting

843
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: that out there yesterday to really send out the message

844
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: that hey, listen, I asked these guys for a trade

845
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: March second, and probably inside NFL teams they knew that, right,

846
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: I mean, because I mean everybody knows what's going on,

847
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: and nobody is you know, he's I think he's begging

848
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: for an offer right now, well right, and I think

849
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: he's trying to put don't you think Baltimore holds still

850
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the cards other than his feelings. Yeah,

851
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: technically they can match anything that's put out. They can

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00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: have him for one years, for thirty two, or he

853
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: can sit out. I mean, that's his leverage right now.

854
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get an offer, and the Ravens can

855
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: just match that. Let somebody else at the market. But

856
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get an offer, and teams are hesitant

857
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: to make an offer unless they know for sure that

858
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: it won't be matched, right, which is obviously that's a

859
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: difficult thing to get there one that his only leverage

860
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: is to sit out of here. But that just feels

861
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: like such a difficult proposition. And what are you gonna

862
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: make on the future contracts where you're gonna get that

863
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars back. Well, here's the other thing too,

864
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: sitting out the year, and I'm talking about quality of

865
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: play and what it does to you as far as

866
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, can you stay up with the game because

867
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: the game changes and it gets But take a look

868
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: at our guy. Okay, now he sat out really almost

869
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: two two years, Okay, but still I think if they

870
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: sat in their room together, I think that DeShawn would

871
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: say to him, play, Hey, you gotta play. I'm telling you.

872
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: I got back in there, and yeah, you know, I

873
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: went to mini camp and I did everything, got a

874
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: lot of reps in training camp, otis all those things.

875
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: But boy, when I went out there against Houston and

876
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: Cincinnati the next week Baltimore after that, WHOA, This thing

877
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: really took off on me. And I had played a

878
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: lot before this, and he had been the league's leader

879
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: in completion passing yards. And for Lamar, that's not his

880
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: calling card, right is to be so you would imagine

881
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: it would be even more of a challenge for him,

882
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: still only twenty six years old. If I was, if

883
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I were him, and if I would have the Falcons,

884
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. You bring Lamar Jackson

885
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: the Falcons, you're the favorite to win that division. I'm

886
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: surprising now they're very today they were talking glowingly. Desmond

887
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: Ritters our starter. We loved him, we you know, as

888
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: soon as he was ready was the guy last year.

889
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see how that all

890
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: plays out there. But right now it doesn't feel great.

891
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I think if you're a Ravens, fans are freaking out.

892
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: And because if it's not Lamar Jackson, if he says

893
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm done playing for the Ravens period the end, who's

894
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: going to be their quarterback? Anthony Brown and Huntley are

895
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: the guys that are on their roster. As that feels

896
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: a little bit like a down. I know Huntley went

897
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl and all last year, but it

898
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: feels like a little bit it just feels like a

899
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a downgrade there speaking of another franchise

900
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: that not in turmoil by any means. But you know

901
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: that the media there, you know better than anybody not

902
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: pleased the recent state of affairs. Is Bill Belichick on

903
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: the hot seat in New England. If the Patriots he'll

904
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. This is what Robert Kraft had to say. Look,

905
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: I'd like him to break down Chula's record, but I'm

906
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: not looking for any of our players to get great stats.

907
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: Were about winning and doing whatever we can to win.

908
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: That's what our focus is now and it's very important

909
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: to me that we make the playoffs, and that's what

910
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: I hope happens here next year. Well. I listened to

911
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft the entire body of his meeting with the

912
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: media yesterday, and a lot of it was about Bill

913
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: Belichick and a little bit about Mac Jones, but most

914
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: of it was about the disaster. And really Robert Kraft

915
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: felt it was a disaster last year. Now they were

916
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: eight nine, okay, but he thought that the coaching staff

917
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: and the makeup of the coaching staff, Joe Judge, Matt

918
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: Patricia being moved into these really new roles and I

919
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: underline new okay, over to the offensive side and handling

920
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: a very young quarterback in mac Jones just was a

921
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: total disaster. And it was I mean, it was awful,

922
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: and it it's probably impeded the progress of mac Jones.

923
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: But you know, Nathan, the other thing that the people

924
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: back there have to realize is that they need to

925
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: realize the dynasty is over, yes, and they keep kind

926
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: of hanging onto it now that owner is saying, hey,

927
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: I want to be in the playoffs now. We would

928
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: love to be in the playoffs here, right, I mean,

929
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: and we know, we definitely know how difficult it is.

930
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: It's not a given. We thought we were definitely going

931
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: to be an annual participant after we made the playoffs

932
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. It's really hard. I mean, we're for

933
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason, but they are holding onto this thing that

934
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: even without Tom Brady, Okay, we are still the Patriots.

935
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: We still have this thing, the Patriot way, and we

936
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: can still win this thing because he is the greatest

937
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: coach of all time. He is tough for them to

938
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: take back there because he is so moody, and normally

939
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: that mood is bad and dismissive. But yet they still

940
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: think he's the genius that can go into the lab

941
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: and come up with something even without Tom Brady and

942
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. And I think that they have

943
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: to realize that he is the greatest coach of all time.

944
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: But even he has to go with the cards that

945
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: are that he's got in his hand, and I don't

946
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: think they're good enough. He can't. He can't play, not

947
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: that you would want him to play, but it is

948
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: an interesting thing because I think anybody who's being objective

949
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: about it, assuming that Aaron Rodgers does end up becoming

950
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: a New York Jet, they are would have to be

951
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: projected to be last in that division period. Yeah yeah,

952
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: a division they owned. Yeah yeah, because the Jets are

953
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: going to be dramatically better the Bills of the Bills.

954
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Dolphins are on the rise, no no doubt about. I

955
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: don't know it's playing quarterback for them yet, but yeah, yeah, that.

956
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough one and it's it is funny,

957
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: and I wonder, I'm curious because you're plagued into it more.

958
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: But it's like, Okay, well, now we're gonna bring Bill

959
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: O'Brien back, and we're just gonna kind of go through

960
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: and there's a group of guys that we're gonna bring in.

961
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: And now I do think Bill O'Brien will be very

962
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: good for the offense. But it is kind of interesting

963
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: how it people go away, it doesn't work out, and

964
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: they come back. He gave. He gave short answers, I mean,

965
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: one word answers throughout the twenty five minutes of his

966
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: meeting with the media, hoping that the PR guy would

967
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: come in and say, all right, that's anyway. They said

968
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: to him, what should the fans read in, what should

969
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: they be looking forward to? How can they trust that

970
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: this thing is going to turn around that you still

971
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: have it, basically, and he gave this answer of, well,

972
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: all I have to do is look at the last

973
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: twenty five years. I mean, he's going into his twenty

974
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: fifth year with them, and you know he's saying, hey,

975
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, I've done I know how to do it.

976
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: The other thing that was interesting is in the passing

977
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: of the torch yesterday, who is next there? Robert Kraft

978
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: kind of hinted that it would be Grod Mayo that

979
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: he's really crazy. He was worried that they were gonna

980
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: lose Gerrod Mayo. He was on our radar right as

981
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: a candidate a defensive coordinator, that they really had to

982
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: work hard to keep him in the organization, and he said,

983
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be

984
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: a head coach. Well, I mean, you know a lot

985
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: of people took it that if you worked that hard

986
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: to keep him and to not lose him, and to

987
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: create some kind of a new title for him, although

988
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: they haven't made that clear what that title is. That

989
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: maybe he is the next guy when Belichick breaks the

990
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: Shula records. Go, yeah, right, McDaniels was the next guy.

991
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah right, exactly. Yeah, he's in Las Vegas. Yeah, all right.

992
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: Should the Packers the man at least one first round

993
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: pick for the Jets and the Aaron Rodgers paint trade? Absolutely,

994
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: I think, do you? I mean, it feels to me

995
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: like the Packers have some leverage there. I watched their

996
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: general manager yesterday. It was an impeccable day of coverage

997
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: from Great Phoenix. It was great. Um. I thought he

998
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: was terrific about Hey. I tried to call him the

999
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: entire off season I could never get through to him.

1000
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: He never res earned the call and I couldn't get

1001
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: through to him. So I think they're on some level

1002
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: happy to be done with the headache. I definitely think so,

1003
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: um he was, you know, I mean here, I am.

1004
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: I have to watch the Pat McAfee show to find

1005
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: out what the quarterback is thinking. And the answers, yeah,

1006
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: you do, because that's the way it's gone with him,

1007
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: which is out an outrage. Well they now they keep talking,

1008
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: and he thinks that they can get this done pretty quickly.

1009
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: What about the time element here? So the question is,

1010
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: obviously I'm guessing if you're the Packers, you want to

1011
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: get this done prior to this draft so that you

1012
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 1: can at least reap some of the benefits of making

1013
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: this deal for this season. Now, you could also say

1014
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: we want picks this year, aunt one this year, one

1015
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: next year, next year. But I do think the timing

1016
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: is the draft is probably the first real deadline for

1017
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: them to get it done, and the Jets really do

1018
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: not want to give up that no, and I think

1019
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: they was one of the reasons I think that we

1020
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: were able to get such a good deal from the

1021
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: Jets on Elijah more is because supposedly they were asking

1022
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: for a third round pick, we offered a second in

1023
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: exchange for their third, which nets out to being like

1024
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: really a fourth round pick, because I think that second

1025
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: round pick is something that they're hoping to say, Hey,

1026
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: we'll give you a couple of twos and let's get

1027
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: this done. The idea of getting another two, I think

1028
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: was very attractive to them, even though it wasn't just

1029
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: a pure two. It was a two for three and

1030
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore for us. But I think that the draft

1031
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: is probably the first deadline where you're gonna want to

1032
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: see that get done if you're if you're the Jets

1033
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: and the Packers. Really I thought it might get done

1034
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: this week. They're there, you know, get it done, get

1035
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: it over with. I mean, it's it's the craziest deal

1036
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: because it's basically done. Everybody's committed to it. I mean,

1037
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: even wide receivers have moves that they have made. The

1038
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Jets have made for their roster are moves that he

1039
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: wanted made so that he could throw to these guys.

1040
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: They're now in place with the Jets. Yeah, he's not

1041
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: there yet. The Packers have kind of signed off on it,

1042
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: but Yeah, he wants out and he wants to specifically

1043
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: go there. Let's just get it done. Let's just get it.

1044
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: Get it to agree with you. Speaking of getting it done,

1045
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: the Josh Harrison Mitchell Rails Group, which now includes Magic Johnson,

1046
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: officially submitted a fully financed bid that meets Dan Snyder's

1047
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: six billion dollars asking price per source. I think there

1048
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that will be happy when

1049
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: that deal is done. And when it is done, please

1050
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: old a new stadium, please, Oh man, that place is wretched.

1051
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: We can't even see the ball in the air from

1052
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: the booth. You would start calling the play from the field,

1053
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: and then I have to go up to a television

1054
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: screen which was above our eye level to kind of

1055
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: call the rest of the play because you couldn't see

1056
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: the play. It was unbelievably bad. That was wretched, bizarre,

1057
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: which made the first half a little easier in that game,

1058
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: but it was sad for the second half. That was

1059
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: our best half. We would have liked to have a

1060
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: real nice view in that second half, which we didn't get.

1061
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: All right, it's a special Tuesday edition in the mail bag.

1062
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: Tweet us your questions for the Voice. Jim Donovan and

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Speaker 1: ask CBD hour number two. We got higher or lower

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Speaker 1: looking something at the way too early NFL win totals

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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty three season. We've got some thoughts

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Speaker 1: on some of the big offseason moves in the league.

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Speaker 1: with the voice of the Cleveland Browns Jim Donovan, and

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Speaker 1: we welcome in Gibbet for the first time today. Gibbe

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Speaker 1: for a little higher or lower, also known as better

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00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: or worse, although I think in this case higher or

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00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: lower might actually work. Should the wind total be higher

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00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: or should it be lower? I like that? Yes, the

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00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: latest Actually, I think these are the first official numbers

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00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: out okay, regarding wind totals and over or unders first

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00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: and foremost, they have the Cleveland Browns. Now, remember seventeen

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00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: games they have been Cleveland Browns. At eight and a half,

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00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: I think we can all say that this is it

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: better go over, Yeah, better comparative. It's got to be

1086
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: higher or it's gonna be it's gonna be problematic. I

1087
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: think that you definitely want to be over because it's

1088
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: over ensures the winning season nine and eight. But I

1089
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: don't know if nine and eight, if that ensures you

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00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: anything in the AFC this year. No, I don't think. Sorry,

1091
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: I think you got to win ten games. Yeah, tens

1092
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: the magic number. Um, and I'm comfortable with ten. I

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00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: am too, Huh, I would be very comfortable with ten.

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00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: I'd set it at nine and a half. That's probably

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: where I would have set this. Just one one or

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00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: at least nine. Again, these are the way too early. Sure,

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00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: sure over unders in my opinion. I mean we haven't

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00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: even gotten to the draft yet and offseason workouts and

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00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: all that fun. Sure, if we take a look around

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00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: the AFC north uh, higher or lower? The Baltimore Ravens

1101
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: at eight and a half, Jim, what say you? First

1102
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: of all, I think they should be taken off the

1103
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: board right now. Yeah, because of what's going on right, Um,

1104
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: you know there's a big gift there, Gibby. I mean

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00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: I would say eight and a half. If he doesn't play,

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00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 1: that's too high, and it would be yeah, I would

1107
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: say much lower. Um, yeah, I would say that might

1108
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: be right on eight and a half. Yeah, it feels

1109
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: it feels pretty good, probably right on. What's odd about

1110
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: our division is you have the Bengals at eleven and

1111
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: a half, the clear favorites, and then all everybody else

1112
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: is at eight and a half. Yeah, and for the

1113
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: Steelers at eight and a half, I don't know. All

1114
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: we were supposed to do is put Kenny Pickett in

1115
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: third and long in that last game and we were

1116
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna win easily. And then we did and we didn't

1117
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: win because we blew some coverages and whatnot. But boy,

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00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I admire them, I really do.

1119
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: And they had a great run at the end of

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: the year. But I don't know how they did it.

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00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I think that they are beatable,

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: I really do so, Yet they find a specific way

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00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: to win it. It might be. I mean the week

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00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: before they played us, they went in on that Sunday

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00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: night game in Baltimore, and the way they pulled that

1126
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: thing out at the end of the game was absolutely amazing.

1127
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: And they know how to do that. So when they

1128
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: when they find a game that they need, hey, we're

1129
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to win this thing defensively. They that's the

1130
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: way they win it. It was clutched down those games.

1131
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: It's interesting. It feels like paper, we have to be

1132
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: the second best team in this division. If not, you know,

1133
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: we've we've done pretty well against the Bengals, to be honest.

1134
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: Last year we split with them, the first time we

1135
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: split with them since Joe Burrow has been there because

1136
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: here recently. What same with the Ravens. Yeah, yeah, we

1137
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: just it's we've got to be better than the Steelers,

1138
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: and we've got to be better than the Ravens. You

1139
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: know what, we could anything. We could have easily won

1140
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: that game in Baltimore. Uh, the Cooper pass interference down there,

1141
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: the chaos at the end there, Yeah, with the field

1142
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: goal and the fake penalty or whatever it was. I mean,

1143
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: that was a mess at the end of the game.

1144
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: And then then that's what happens over there, yeah, you know,

1145
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: and you know, and it happens at the other place too.

1146
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: In Pittsburgh. I mean, these crazy things happen when it

1147
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: looks like you're you have a pathway to win, and

1148
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: it slips away and you go, how the heck did

1149
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: that happen? And how did it happen so quickly? I mean,

1150
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: the last game of the year seven nothing and really

1151
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: kind of in control at the end of the first

1152
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: half with about a minute ten left, and by halftime

1153
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: we're losing. And then the next thing you know, they've

1154
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: put twenty unanswered on the board when we went into

1155
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: the second half, so real, you're like, what just happened?

1156
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: You have to learn how to win in those places.

1157
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: I think that's that's right. And the one place that

1158
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: we do feel comfortable, even though we lost their last year,

1159
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: it feels like it has been in recent years is

1160
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati has not been a daunting place for us

1161
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: to play. But again, you know, Nathan, remember that game

1162
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: opening drive for the Brown say go down. I bring

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00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: Pursett in on a fourth down and like one at

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00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: the twenty five and he throws down to people's jones

1165
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: have a corner. They will get it, and you know,

1166
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: you just you just take a look at that. You

1167
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: take a look at that at Atlanta game when they

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00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: went down on that opening drive and they didn't get

1169
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: it in and you're chasing those points them for the

1170
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: rest of the day. So we gotta learn how to

1171
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: win those things on the road. Yes, we gotta learn

1172
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: how to win them. We gotta learn that eight and

1173
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: a half. We'll be way up sky right on over

1174
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: that eight and a half the All right, So that's

1175
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: a look at the AFC North Again, it's the Bengals

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: eleven and a half, clear division favorite and one of

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00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: the favorites in the AFC. The Chiefs are also at

1178
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: eleven and a half. Yeah, those are the top two

1179
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: teams the eleven and a half. So there are three

1180
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: teams at eleven and a half, the Bengals, the Chiefs,

1181
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers and we don't even playing

1182
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: quarterback for them, which is incredible. That just speaks to

1183
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: the talent on that on that roster, and then the

1184
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: belief obviously in Kyle as a coach to make whoever

1185
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: is playing quarterback, who would you think it? Who would

1186
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: you think we'll end up as a quarterback. I think

1187
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: Darnold's probably gonna end up starting. Wow, that's kind of

1188
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: what Kyle said. Today kind of hinted that Darnold could

1189
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: be the guy that ends up starting the season for

1190
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: them because they don't think brock Purdy will be ready yet. Hoof,

1191
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: I know, wow, how about that wey come here this year,

1192
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: right the Niners? Yeah, yeah, Okay, that would be great.

1193
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: It'll be that will be crazy, that'll be interesting, and

1194
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder if if, if that is the case. Right,

1195
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: and let's just say that Lance is healthy and they

1196
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: start saying Darnold over him, you feel like that was

1197
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: They will be fortunate to still be as good as

1198
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: they have been despite botching a major move for a

1199
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: quarterback and botching the whole thing, the whole thing, the

1200
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: whole thing, absolutely, and the picks they gave up, I

1201
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: mean all of it. Yeah. Yeah. So eleven and a

1202
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: half is the highest win total, yep. The lowest goes

1203
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: to two teams, the Texans at five and a half

1204
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: and the Arizona Cardinals at five and a half. Jonathan Ganna, Yeah,

1205
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: that Cardinals seem they're they're they're rough. I think the

1206
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: Texans could actually get good quickly because of the division

1207
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: that they're in and the fact that they've got a

1208
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: lot of assets. I think Tennessee's on the decline. The

1209
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: Colts if they don't have a quarterback or who knows

1210
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: what they are, but the Jags are pretty good. I

1211
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: do you like the day? I just think it's interesting

1212
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: five and a half. But yet the entire NFC South,

1213
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: which frankly isn't great. I mean the Falcons are at

1214
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: seven and a half, the Panthers are at seven and

1215
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: a half. They have the Bears at seven and a half.

1216
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: H Um, you know, I will say this about the Falcons.

1217
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: I am I like their coach. Yeah, I think you

1218
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: know he's a coach he does Yeah he is, Um

1219
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: so does Belichick really likes him? Um. He very committed

1220
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: to his way right and and you know he's not

1221
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: going to deviate a great deal from it, and he

1222
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: stays with it. I mean he did it in Tennessee

1223
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: when he became the offensive coordinator and we kept saying,

1224
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: who the heck is this guy that they gave the

1225
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator jam And he did a great job there,

1226
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: and then I think he's I think he's done a

1227
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: pretty good job in at Blant. I mean they played

1228
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: very hard against US. Yeah, I mean right at us,

1229
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: right out of merciless, and I think he handled the situation.

1230
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, when Mariota says, Okay, I'm not starting, I'm leaving,

1231
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: it didn't seem to cause that much of a ripple.

1232
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: They seem to handle that well. They got some nice

1233
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: production out of their young players, Drake London and Algier

1234
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: the running back had a very nice season for them.

1235
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: Did I think, Yeah, I like what he's on. That

1236
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: to me, though, again feels like and maybe they just

1237
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: really liked Desmond Ritterer, but that feels like you bring

1238
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson drop him out on the Atlanta Falcons at

1239
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: the team that's the favor in that division. Division. Absolutely, yeah, um,

1240
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: and you know, remember they were in the Deshaun Watson talks.

1241
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: Right of course, Falcon say we're right there, So they were.

1242
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: They obviously have been interested. I was prior to getting Ridder, obviously,

1243
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: But I don't know that anybody could say for sure

1244
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: they saw something in Ritter that would make them say

1245
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: we don't need to do anything of that position. Right

1246
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: some of the other I guess head scratchers Miami at

1247
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: nine and a half, I don't know if if to

1248
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: a plays, I mean, they'll they'll do that Oh, it's

1249
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: just a good division. The Bills are ten and a half,

1250
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: They're nine and a half, the Jets are nine and

1251
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: a half. New England seven seven and a half, which

1252
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: is the bottom of the division. So you've got three

1253
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: teams there that they think are gonna win double digit

1254
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: games or to have the potential to win double digit

1255
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: games in that division, which again goes back to how

1256
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: difficult it's going to be in the AFC to make

1257
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Right. Yeah, um, I think that it's um,

1258
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, I really take a look at that and

1259
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: take a look at that division, and to me, it

1260
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: is startling. It's just visually startling to see New England. Yeah,

1261
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, down at the bottom of the heap. It

1262
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: really is. It's just been such It's a division they

1263
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: dominated for decades. Yeah. What do you make of mac Jones?

1264
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think there were a couple of things.

1265
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: Was he in a bad situation last year? That thing

1266
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: was a mess. Coaching wise, I liked him the year before.

1267
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I thought he played very well for them. I think

1268
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: what troubled them Jason was the way he acted and

1269
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Speaker 1: he acted it out yeah, on the field, on the bench,

1270
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes people can say well, that's that's a good

1271
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: fire that you want. Um. But he seemed kind of

1272
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: whiny um and I don't think that's sad. Well with

1273
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: the head coach who said at the end of the year,

1274
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: in a classic Belichick quote, yeah, I think he you know,

1275
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: he he might be able to play in this leak

1276
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: and it wasn't by far not a ringing indorsement to

1277
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: what they were going to do with him. Well, I mean,

1278
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: and we've heard even now from Devin mccordy who said

1279
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 1: that the locker room was divided over mac Jones and Bailey. Yeah. Yeah,

1280
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: the other the other interesting number here, and it's a

1281
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: flat number. There's no point five. The Lions, the Detroit Lions.

1282
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: I like the Lions, So they're the they're the favorite

1283
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: in that division at nine. The Bears are at seven

1284
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: and a half, the Packers are at seven and a half,

1285
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: and the Vikings are at eight and a half. So

1286
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: the Lions are the favorite. And the over juice is

1287
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: minus one fifty, which it is. That is the highest

1288
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: juice on any team to bet they're over. The The

1289
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: next closest you got the Ravens over eight and a half.

1290
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: It's a minus one forty, The Browns over eight and

1291
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: half as milus one forty, and the Jags over nine

1292
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: and a half is minus one forty. Do you ever think, though,

1293
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: that the Lions could fall into that class that we

1294
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of fell into, where like the year we had

1295
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: won Mayfield's rookie year and we get the seven wins

1296
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: where we were like seven eight and one that year,

1297
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: and then everyone would got all excited, we got the

1298
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: Obj trade and everyone's going, Wow, they're gonna do it,

1299
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, and could the Lions fall into

1300
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: that where expectations are way above what the actual talent

1301
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: on the field is. I think they're pretty talented though

1302
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: on offense, especially because they're gonna James. They had a

1303
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: very fun offense. They had a fun offense. The interesting

1304
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: thing is, and the difference I would say between that

1305
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: and our situation is that our division was still really good.

1306
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: That division is I think bad. Yeah, do you even

1307
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: think Minnesota's bad? Obviously they're trying to address their defense,

1308
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: but you know, there it feels like, you know, theeland's gone.

1309
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook is you know, not ascending probably as much

1310
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: as he is. Right, you know, they have the great

1311
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: resort Jfferson was awesome. The Lions giving them t J.

1312
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: Hawkinson is still one of the craziest things that I

1313
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: think happened in last season. Under the radar. You dropped

1314
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: t J. Hawkinson back on the Lions and you're saying, man,

1315
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: this team is right phenomenal. Yeah, so especially inside your division,

1316
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: right for no reason, it just didn't even make any sense. Yeah.

1317
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing too, they lived a very

1318
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: charmed existence last year. They won a lot. They won.

1319
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: How many games did they win like at the gun

1320
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: right at the end, And I'm not just talking about

1321
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: the Buffalore game, but there were a lot of other

1322
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: games that they won. They were doing it week in

1323
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: and week out, where they were winning these games on

1324
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: what was a great Joseph Was he the kicker for

1325
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: the Vikings. Yeah, I mean he was winning games for

1326
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: them on last second field goals. It seemed weekly, you know,

1327
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: all season long. That's why I thought, even in the

1328
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: playoff game against the Giants, they were gonna do it again,

1329
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: and then it finally they midnight on them. Their record

1330
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: in one score games was so out of whack with

1331
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: what a normal record would be that there are a

1332
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: lot of people who didn't have a lot of belief

1333
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: in them, even though they went in the playoffs. So

1334
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: there were their wins. So they go. They beat Green

1335
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: Bay week one, twenty three seven, they lose to the

1336
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: Eagles twenty four to seven, and they beat the Lions

1337
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty four, the Saints twenty eight, twenty five,

1338
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: Bears twenty nine, twenty two, Dolphins twenty four to sixteen

1339
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: with No. TWA thirty four, twenty six, twenty to seventeen.

1340
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: They beat the Bills in overtime in that great game

1341
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: thirty three thirty then got smoked the next week forty

1342
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: to three by their cowboys. Yeah, beat the Patriots thirty three,

1343
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: twenty six, Jets twenty seven, twenty two, lose to the

1344
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: Lions thirty four twenty three, beat the Colts by three

1345
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: in overtime, said incredible coming back. Yep, the biggest I

1346
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: think right, thirty nine, thirty six, They beat the Giants

1347
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty four, lose to the Packers forty one seventeen,

1348
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: beat the Bears, and then lost to the Giants in

1349
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs thirty one to twenty four. But yeah, they

1350
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of games that were decided by by

1351
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: three or four, and Greg Joseph was there when we

1352
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: I want to remember when we were when they played

1353
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: the Saints in London. That was a game that was

1354
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: one of those field goal games where Joseph had missed

1355
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: one and then he made one. That was Week four.

1356
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes where were we Week four? Atlanta? Is when we

1357
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: were Atlanta? Yeah, and that game was happening. I kind

1358
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: of part of that game on a great game. Yeah, yeah,

1359
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: not our favorite, not our favorite, although I will tell

1360
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: you this, I was totally convinced when Nick Chubb hit

1361
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: the run of like twenty eight yards to give them

1362
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: the lead in the game, I said, Okay, here we go.

1363
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna wigle out of this thing and

1364
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a nasty road win, but we're gonna

1365
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: get out of here. Yeah. And what would we have

1366
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: been We would have been three one, Yeah, the only

1367
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: lost being the devastating game against the Jets. Um that

1368
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: was a crippler. That was a crippler, and I think

1369
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: you always have to wonder the impact that that Jets

1370
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: game had on this team's ability in those late stages, Yeah,

1371
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: to deliver what they needed to do. All right, when

1372
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: we come back We're gonna get Jim Stots on the

1373
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: following off season moves in the league, some of the

1374
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: biggest names moving around. We'll get that. Plus we got

1375
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: the mail bag. Get us your questions use the ashtag

1376
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: asked CBD. You're listening to Cleon Brown's Daily brought to

1377
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: you by Ballly Beck coming soon to Ohio. Cleveland Browns

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,600
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01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:32,720
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Speaker 1: fan club for dogs. Nathan Sagirl alongside the voice of

1385
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, Jim Donovan and Jim We're going talking

1386
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: about some of the big offseason moves in the league,

1387
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: and certainly on the coaching circuit. None bigger than Sean

1388
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: Payton to the Broncos with Russell Wilson now, and that's

1389
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: a team in a loaded division again, but you feel

1390
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: like John Peyton probably the biggest hire that anybody could

1391
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: make out there, and they got him in Denver. They did, Yeah,

1392
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: they did. And I was watching him because I didn't

1393
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: see him do the TV a lot because we were busy,

1394
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: but I did see him in the postseason. Yeah, and

1395
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was really good. I thought. I thought

1396
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: that group that he was with, he was with the

1397
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: secondary thought with a thousand people sometimes. Yeah, right, Yeah,

1398
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: the place was loaded. You're absolutely right. Um, you know,

1399
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was. I thought he was terrific. And

1400
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,759
Speaker 1: I thought at one point he might stay for another

1401
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: year and maybe wait for the Cowboys situation yet, but

1402
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: um boy, terrific guy. Obviously, it's always interesting when these

1403
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: guys take a year off and then how they come

1404
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: back and regenerate themselves. That will be interesting to see.

1405
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's no holds barred, no, and it sounds

1406
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: like he's kind of coming and said all the shenanigans

1407
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: that went on last year with Russell Wilson, Shenanigans will

1408
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: not be tolerated. Yeah. Yeah, offices, personal offices, personal coaches,

1409
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: things like that. Well, let's come to it. An that's

1410
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: enough of that. Yeah, all right. The Bears ended up

1411
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: with the number one pick because of the unbelievable finish

1412
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: to the Colts and the Texans game. We were watching

1413
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: all of the combinations over in Pittsburgh the last day.

1414
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: More so Nathan and I for the Steelers because remember

1415
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: they needed they needed Buffalo to be New England. They

1416
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: needed Miami to lose to the Jets. So we were

1417
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: watching that game and then you said, they were like

1418
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: six seconds left in Houston just blew the number one pick,

1419
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: scored and got a two point lovely Smith and he

1420
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: took them out of the number one pick. That was amazing.

1421
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: Former Bear pled just saying the Bears get the number

1422
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: one pick and they have sided there going with Justin Fields.

1423
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: They trade with the Carolina Panthers back to number nine,

1424
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: they got DJ Moore, They got a ton of picks.

1425
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: It felt to me like a home run for the Bears.

1426
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: What did you think of that? And to see that

1427
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: it was done so early ahead of it with Carolina

1428
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: going in and out, it looks like they're going to

1429
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: take CJ. Strout. Yeah. Here's the other thing I think, Nathan,

1430
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: that I think there were two times during the preseason

1431
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: and as us where teams favorably got more comfortable with

1432
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks, and I think, you know, I think Fields

1433
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: was one of them when the Bears came in, because

1434
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: I remember talking to Tom There and Jeff Joniak, who

1435
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: did their games, and they said, well, you know, they

1436
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: love them, but I don't know. So tonight's kind of

1437
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: a big night. I remember he was great. He was

1438
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: phenomenal in the first half of that game. And the

1439
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: same was true in that Sunday afternoon game when the

1440
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: Eagles came here, and you know, Hurts actually played in

1441
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: that game, and you know, he played well. And I

1442
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: know that they were a little bit going into that

1443
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: season when they were here for camp. Is he the

1444
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: real deal? Yeah? Is he good? I mean is he

1445
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: good White? Yeah, I mean you mean Gardner Minshew had fans, Yeah,

1446
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, but yeah, I think that Chicago did a

1447
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, it would be interesting Fields durability, the

1448
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: way he plays. Will he be able to hold up?

1449
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: He's got to improve as a passer. And part of

1450
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: the questions was did he have enough weapons? And so

1451
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: they say, all right, we get Dj Moore. They are

1452
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: in a position if they want to take Jackson Smith

1453
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: and Jake Button say okay, now we've got plenty of

1454
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: weapons for you. Let's go out there and let's execute

1455
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: on those weapons. One of the big moves in the AFC,

1456
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: I thought, was Orlando Brown leaving the Chiefs and going

1457
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. Yeah, and and what's happened there. Um,

1458
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I think that we felt, um

1459
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,919
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati really hit straightened out their offensive line problems.

1460
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: But at the end of the year and in the playoffs,

1461
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: they were hurt, weren't they. They were banged up and

1462
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: they had trouble, especially against Kansas City in that playoff

1463
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: game in the AFC Championship game, protecting him once again. Um,

1464
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: and they go out and they get Orlando Brown who

1465
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: leaves Kansas City and comes over there. He spent kind

1466
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: of a bit of a mercenary, hasn't he kind of

1467
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: floating around? Yeah, those teams, he knows where to go,

1468
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: he knows he plays the position of need. He does it.

1469
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: You have a big time quarterback, right, and he can

1470
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: protect that quarterback and he went He's won a super

1471
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: Bowl now, And yeah, it's kind of one of those

1472
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: you would say, fairly a maze zing things that he's

1473
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: been able to. To your point, go from there playing

1474
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship Game both years, both against the Bengals

1475
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: one and one. And now it's kind of amazing that

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Speaker 1: it's been the Bengals and the Chiefs back to back

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Speaker 1: seasons and really just five straight AFC Championships appearances in

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: the championship game. Absolutely, and and you know some of

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01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: the way, and think about it, think of a couple

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: of the losses. I mean really, I mean that the

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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: Patriots game Ronk wasn't a big past. Yeah, but remember

1482
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: they jumped they thought they had won the game and

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01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: they were off side. Somebody had jumped off side and

1484
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: they had the penalty. They thought they had won the game.

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01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: Then they end up losing that one. The Bengal game

1486
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,919
Speaker 1: at halftime looks like they've got that thing wrapped up. Blowout.

1487
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: I remember saying, poor Jim Nanson, Tony Romo, you get

1488
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: ready for a big game and this thing's out of

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01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, this thing's out a lock. And it's a

1490
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: great game. Yeah, So they could have been a more.

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: They could have been and you know, you were talking

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: about Burrow this year into the postseason, and that was

1493
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: really what got them and that's what costs them. Chris

1494
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: Jones basically that game and their ability to get after

1495
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 1: him and get get two Burrow. In the three playoff

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: games this year, he was sacked ten times, but of those,

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Speaker 1: I think eight of them came in those final two games. Yeah,

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01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: that's get Orlando Brown. That's going to short there some

1499
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: things up for you. What about the kid that wants out,

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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. I mean they obviously felt like they needed

1501
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: to get better at the position. Yeah, he'd struggled, Well,

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01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: he had struggled coming in because he got hurt, right,

1503
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: didn't he when he came into them. Yeah, he'd struggled,

1504
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: and he screwed up. He idolized Joe Thomas war seventy

1505
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: three and it just hasn't worked out. Miles Garrett has

1506
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: done a very good job, but kids of Jonah Williams.

1507
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 1: So maybe he wants out, He wants away from Miles,

1508
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: and for that, I certainly would not blame him at all.

1509
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: The quarterback moves is Aaron Rodgers. The fact that he's

1510
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: going to be ejected, that surprise he was at somewhere

1511
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: that you thought he was going to end up. No,

1512
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: I really didn't. I I actually thought he was going

1513
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: to retire. I thought that I thought for the darkness.

1514
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: So did he? Yeah, I really did. I thought packers

1515
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: h and I definitely felt when he walked off that

1516
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: field against the Lions had looked as the Remember the

1517
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: guy wanted his jersey. Yeah, you couldn't give it to him.

1518
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to hold onto this one, he said. Anyway,

1519
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he was walking off to the sunset,

1520
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: not to the Jets. Yeah, but it does reek of

1521
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: when Farve, of course went to the Jets, and when

1522
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: the deal was made Nathan, the Brons were playing the

1523
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: Jets in a play in a preseason game and five

1524
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: they flew him in because the deal was consummated. They're

1525
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,959
Speaker 1: getting ready to play, and he held his press conference,

1526
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,879
Speaker 1: his first press conference as a Jet, in the bowels

1527
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: of First Energy Stadium. As they said, as they got

1528
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: set to play the Brons that night, the weather the

1529
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: game got delayed because of thunderstorms, and we're saying, what

1530
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? And then they said, well, why

1531
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: don't we have a microphone down there, let's just plug

1532
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: into the press conference. What press conference? Brett Farve is

1533
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: holding his opening press conference in First Energy Stadium? It

1534
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: might have still been called Cleveland Brown Stadium at the time,

1535
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: and it was it was his introductory as the Jets.

1536
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: But this kind of reeks that, Yeah, you know it

1537
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: most certainly does. It's just surprising to me kind of

1538
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: based on what we talked about, why anybody would want

1539
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: to come to the AFC. Now, I know nobody. I

1540
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: know Aaron Rodgers isn't afraid of competition. Now. He still

1541
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: thinks he's one of the best quarterbacks. He lined it.

1542
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: But you're if he's in the NFC, he's the best

1543
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFC. Yes, you know, Hurders would be

1544
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 1: in the conversation, but the AFC stafford you don't know

1545
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: what they're saying these without limitations now, so that'll be

1546
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: good for him. But it's just in the AFC, it's

1547
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: just tough. It's tough. I mean, you think about Herbert Burrow, Mahomes,

1548
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: Alan Trevor, Lawrence Rogers, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, Lamar if

1549
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: he's here, the way the tool was playing too, I mean,

1550
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: that's ten nbelievable. Yeah, that's amazing. And at least it's eight.

1551
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's at least eight quarterbacks. And guess what

1552
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: they're only seven playoff spots. Yeah, and you have eight

1553
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who are legit as legit as it gets. Speaking

1554
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, former Patriot, former forty nine or all he

1555
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: does is win, really but doesn't seem to get much respect.

1556
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. He is now in Loss of Vegas. Josh

1557
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: McDaniels always loved him yet though, wasn't it I mean,

1558
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean that he really loved him a great deal. So, um,

1559
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens. Can he remain healthy.

1560
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: It was amazing how they just came apart the Raiders.

1561
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: Everyone thought, really last year, once Josh McDaniels got there

1562
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: and they got the Davante Adams steal done, that they

1563
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: were they were going to be at the top top

1564
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: of the heap in the AFC, that they would give

1565
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs or anybody else a real battle. They would

1566
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: give the Bengals a real battle. I mean, because they

1567
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: had played the Bengals in the playoffs the year before,

1568
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: right down to the final gun in that game at

1569
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: Paul Brown Stadium. But Poy it really came apart. I mean,

1570
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: Derek carrthing came apart, Everything came apart, and they lost them.

1571
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean they won a goofy game against the Patriots,

1572
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: but they lost a lot of goofy games. Yeah, and

1573
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: now they got ja Kobe Myers there, Darren Waller gone though, right,

1574
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: They made some interesting moves and then he really Derek Carr.

1575
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: He goes to the Saints. They've got to be the favorites.

1576
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: I think in the NFC South. Good defense, you got

1577
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: car you got a lave. We don't know what you

1578
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: have in Michael Thomas, but he'll be back supposedly. So

1579
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: interesting there. Yeah, they were a tough team, no doubt.

1580
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: They were very tough on Christmas Eve. I give them

1581
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: a lot of credit man for the way they handled that.

1582
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: The way they played in that game to stay Alive

1583
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, Wow, just a weapon in that in that environment,

1584
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: a real weapon. Well. The other thing was, I mean

1585
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: there was no disguise to what was gonna happen. He

1586
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: just lined up in the shotgun and I'm not gonna

1587
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: throw it, I'm gonna run it. I'm gonna run it

1588
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: right at eleven on eleven. It's true eleven on eleven

1589
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: in that case, because he could run it, he could

1590
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: hand it out, he could go to hand it off

1591
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: and go block somebody. The guy's a guy who was

1592
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: a monster. All right, when we come back, we're gonna

1593
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: get into the mail bags. Your chance to get questions

1594
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: to Jim Donham in the Voice of the Cleveland Browns.

1595
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: That's all coming up next year. Cleb Brown's Daily brought

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Speaker 1: soon to Ohio. Nathan Sgura, the Voice of the Browns.

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: Jim Donovan here at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus in

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: Borea bringing in GiB A again. It's time now for

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01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: the Browns mail Bag, presented by Vivid Seats, an official

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Speaker 1: fan experience partner of the Cleveland Browns. Twist your questions

1605
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: using the hashtag ask c b D First and foremost, guys.

1606
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: Some news coming out of the owners meetings from the

1607
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 1: Competition Committee literally nine seconds ago from Tom Pellisero, the

1608
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:56,520
Speaker 1: RAMS proposal on roughing the passer and replay was not approved.

1609
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: They just gotta get it right. They just have the

1610
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: guy upstairs look at it and be like, you know what,

1611
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: that wasn't rough? And pick up the flag and just

1612
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: do it quickly, Just do quickly. They have all the technology.

1613
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: Um NFL owners tabled the Eagles proposal to create a

1614
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 1: fourth and twenty alternative to the onside kick. I'm told

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: not voted down. Further discussion needed, So that would be

1616
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: on fourth down you could go for it going on

1617
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: a fourth and twenty play. I believe from the opponent's

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01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty five yard line or fifteen yard line. Am I

1619
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: correct on that? I believe that's what it would have been, right,

1620
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: you would have got it. They would have got it

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01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: back at the twenty twenty yards. I think it'd be

1622
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: fun on side kicks. I got trauma from on side.

1623
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: I think I think of a twenty yard play, I

1624
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: think it'd be fun to watch those. Those would become

1625
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: brutal to watch. Oh my goodness. I do think there's

1626
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: a higher percentage of the team picking up twenty yards

1627
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: than recover being an outside kick. Yeah, well, I think

1628
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: so too, significantly right. Uh NFL owner has approved the

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01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: proposal to allow players to wear number zero. I'm fine

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01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, okay, yeah, so I think I think

1631
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: these uh, I think these number of things look good.

1632
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, I really do. Like when Anthony

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01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: Walker wore four and then went to five. You know,

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01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool with that. It look pretty good

1635
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: and whatever the gift once said he got. I remember

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01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: that day when they went to shun lateral them a

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01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: nice box. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, we're all like,

1638
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: what's in the bocas? Don't drop it? Yeah, don't drop it. Uh.

1639
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: You can tweet at the show at Brown's Underscore Daily

1640
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: using the hashtag ask CBD Kyle Benner, Jim, what's your

1641
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: duncan order? Oh? Um? Just really pretty pretty bland. Uh?

1642
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: Just a regular with cream? Yeah, just a coffee with cream.

1643
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: It's that simple, folks. Yeah, doesn't have it. I know.

1644
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: That's easier than one I have to do for my

1645
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: kids when I go to Starbucks. It's like those different things.

1646
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: How do they do that? I don't understand. First of all, Honey,

1647
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: it's like calling a John Gruden play. Yes, it's a

1648
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: it's a whole different language. My favorite is a lot

1649
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: of times it'll start with ice but end with no ice,

1650
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa huh? AVENTI mango dragon fruit. That's

1651
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: my kids one order. You gotta text that to me

1652
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: because there's no way I'm remembering no way. My son likes,

1653
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: I think a Grande ice chi te latte no ice,

1654
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: and then sometimes they'll ask for a certain cream and

1655
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, what are we doing here? Yeah, it's

1656
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: too much? Uh Jersey dog. Who will benefit more from

1657
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: the wide receiver editions, David d Joku or Nick Chubb? I,

1658
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: um play that's interestfully all of us? Everybody yea, hopefully

1659
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: will all benefit. I would say that, Um, you know,

1660
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: I would. I would definitely say that because I think

1661
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 1: that they're going to throw a little bit more obviously

1662
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,719
Speaker 1: that it will open some things up for Chubb. I agree,

1663
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think that that might open it up.

1664
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: I think maybe they just really became, you know, predictable.

1665
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: That everyone said they love to run it, that that's

1666
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: the guy they love to run. They didn't fear the

1667
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: throw a great deal, not because of who was throwing it,

1668
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: but who he was throwing it too. I think it

1669
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 1: could really open things up for Chubb. Chubb was one

1670
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: of the best running backs in the league against lighter

1671
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: boxes and run of the best ringing backs in League

1672
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: out of eleven personnel, which is three wide receivers, one

1673
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: tight end. So were I think that's going to be

1674
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: more of our base offense this year. So you're not

1675
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: going to have the days of where he's lining up

1676
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: there and they're stacking the line and all of that.

1677
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: He's going to have room to run. And when it

1678
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: gets you to the second level, when you get nicked

1679
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: up to the second level, he's very dangerous. Yep. Philip

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Speaker 1: Rogers tweets up the show zigura demerit. We all know

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Speaker 1: the voice. The opening question is always what are we

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Speaker 1: doing on the Ponderosa currently? That's bows things Perbo Bishop,

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Speaker 1: So Jim Phillipson, what's going on? I knew we would

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Speaker 1: get it here. I knew our family it was. I

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Speaker 1: always say to both, thanks very much for asking and caring. Um.

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Speaker 1: Today was a beautiful day. Yesterday was a tricky day.

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Speaker 1: Cold cold rain is awful for everybody, but very very

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Speaker 1: bad for the horses. They hated um and when you

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Speaker 1: have to keep blanketing them and re blanketing them, it's

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Speaker 1: a chore. So today was perfect and they were a

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Speaker 1: very happy lot going out and as I was scarring

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Speaker 1: to get ready, to come in here. It was a

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Speaker 1: it was a real chore to get them back in. Hey,

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Speaker 1: come on in. Yeah, they didn't want to come in,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going, hey, you know, and the pastors are

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Speaker 1: a little bit muddy right now. So I was I

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Speaker 1: was looking like I had played at the old stadium. Zay. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a little more rain coming. It feels

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Speaker 1: like it's it's every other day. Oh it's awful. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not great, No, it's not great. It isn't great. Ohio

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Speaker 1: Resident at c l E. Browns seventy one. Jim, What,

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Speaker 1: in your opinion was the wildest Browns game you've called

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Speaker 1: during your tenure as the voice. Ah, the wildest Browns

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Speaker 1: game that I've called. I know the answer is from

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Speaker 1: a bad game, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a game early on, I think

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Speaker 1: it was Tim Couch down in Tennessee and they were losing,

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Speaker 1: and there was a big, big debate whether or not

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Speaker 1: they should have played Tim Couch. He had had an injury.

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Speaker 1: Kelly Holkam had played well, but they put Couch back

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Speaker 1: in and he went in and they were getting clobered early,

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Speaker 1: and he brought them back at the end of the

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Speaker 1: game in phil Dawson had an amazing on sidekick to

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Speaker 1: get them the ball back where he bounced the ball

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Speaker 1: way up in the air. In Dennis north Cut he

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Speaker 1: caught this one. No, I didn't guess the one in Fittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: but he caught this one and they got the ball back.

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Speaker 1: They tied it and they won it down in Tennessee

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Speaker 1: and it kind of kind of got them going. That's

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Speaker 1: the year they made the playoffs. So that was the wildest.

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Speaker 1: Oh another one though, that opening day when Dwayne Rudd

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Speaker 1: through his helmet. Oh my god, Oh my god. But

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Speaker 1: I mean there was were you there? I was. There

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Speaker 1: was an incredible game because they were saying back and

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Speaker 1: forth at each other, unbelievable. Morton, Yeah, who was the

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman that picked up the ball and was running

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Speaker 1: with it before they identified that Dwayn Rudd had thrown.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you told me this for it. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember who was a big John Tate. Big John Tate.

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Speaker 1: You should have been in WrestleMania coming up. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I just remember being and when he threw the helmet,

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Speaker 1: everybody thought he had won, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden it was like a flag and you're like, wait, what,

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Speaker 1: come on? Yeah? So what Yeah? But it was a

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Speaker 1: fantastic game. It terrible loss, but a fantastic game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Bronze had like a couple of ten point leads

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Speaker 1: and Kansas City would just come back. It was Dick

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Speaker 1: vermil as their coach. Boy, that was unbelievable. So those

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Speaker 1: were two. Those are two pretty good examples, a win

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Speaker 1: and a loss. I remember that game. I was in

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Speaker 1: town for a wedding. I watched the Chiefs game with

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Speaker 1: my father before I flew home. I was living in

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Speaker 1: Illinois and I was on a plane with the Chiefs backers,

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Speaker 1: Oh boyk Kansas City and the head official who made

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Speaker 1: the call. And I walked on the plane wearing my

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Speaker 1: Courtney Brown jersey. Things got a little awkward. Absolutely. I

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Speaker 1: was two thousand and two. What was the final score

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Speaker 1: forty to thirty nine. Yeah, it was forty to thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: The fourth quarter featured thirty five points absolutely, the last

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Speaker 1: six in the final twenty nine seconds. The side of

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Speaker 1: the game Cleveland trail thirty seven thirty six. With three

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Speaker 1: minutes the play drove into position for a forty one

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Speaker 1: yard field goal. Dawson made it with twenty nine seconds

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Speaker 1: now trailing thirty nine thirty seven. The Chiefs, led by

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Speaker 1: quarterback Trent Green and Priest holmes Man priest times again

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Speaker 1: had one last play with four seconds remaining at their

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Speaker 1: own forty seven right while scrambling, was brought down by

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Speaker 1: linebacker Dwayne Rudd at the forty two while strikingly stay upright,

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Speaker 1: Green pitch the ball back to his offensive lineman Joe

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Speaker 1: John Tait, who took off his time expired. He rumbled

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Speaker 1: twenty eight yards of the Browns twenty five, but the

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Speaker 1: celebration began on the sideline. The Browns were winners, or

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Speaker 1: so they thought. Lost in the play was Rud back

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Speaker 1: inside the fifty after grabbing onto Green's leg, thought he

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Speaker 1: got a sack in the play was dead, jumped up

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Speaker 1: and threw his helmet celebration. One problem the play was

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Speaker 1: continuing player throwing his helmet during a live play on

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Speaker 1: Sports when my conduct with no time on the clock

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Speaker 1: game Canada defensive penalty, Morton Anderson got to kick it.

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Speaker 1: He was forty two at the time he made it.

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Speaker 1: How many times I've seen a player throw a helmet

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Speaker 1: in celebration at the end of the game. Yes, like

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Speaker 1: I actually stand myself watching it. Yeah. Dan Dierdorf was

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Speaker 1: on the call for CBS that day and he said, quote,

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Speaker 1: this is a disbelieving Cleveland Brown Stadium crowd right now.

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Speaker 1: It was a little bit more than that. It was

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Speaker 1: the home opener. I think it was a homeowner September right, Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Wow. So you were at that game. I

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Speaker 1: was there as a fan. Yeah. Uh, the home opener

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Speaker 1: against the Steelers where we got Shobert got an interception

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Speaker 1: and was like already in field goal range, remembering the rain,

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Speaker 1: the deluge, and then we had the kick blocked right

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Speaker 1: to win it in overtime. Yeah, but when he returned it,

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Speaker 1: there was a penalty I think on Miles wasn't there

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Speaker 1: pushing it back? Yeah, he hit somebody and they and

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Speaker 1: they got pushed back and then they didn't move it

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Speaker 1: at all. Right, then they got the call. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: many tales of blown All right, holding back with more

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's Daily brought to you by Baalley be Coming

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Speaker 1: Soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland all Right,

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Speaker 1: so much more to come as we like to say,

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Speaker 1: but in reality, I think that'll be it for us today.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, you got the next level tomorrow on

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Speaker 1: Brown's Daily, Cleveland's own in Ohio states Artibus Howell will

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Speaker 1: join me here in Barria. So we've got that until

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Speaker 1: four two, which is nice. But today, what an absolute

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Speaker 1: pleasure just to walk down not always a fun memory lane,

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Speaker 1: but a walk down memory lane. Nonetheless, I think it's

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Speaker 1: important we hold on to those memories. That's when they

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Speaker 1: turn around, they will be worth the walk. That's right,

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Speaker 1: the pure joy that lies ahead of us, and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: we've got to wait till September for that pure joy

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Speaker 1: to really start manifesting it. My god, the off season

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Speaker 1: the NFL is long. When you don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: it's long and it is very long. Well, free agency

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Speaker 1: was fun and then it's like, okay, we got all

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Speaker 1: these guys in here, let's see them, let's see what

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Speaker 1: they look like. Is the Cleveland Browns and the draft

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Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit less exciting for

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Speaker 1: us with no first four seconds. So yes, it is

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Speaker 1: a very long, long, long off season. Jim always a pleasure, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right, folks. The next level is next. You've been

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Speaker 1: listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Bally

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Speaker 1: Bet coming soon to Ohio. You've been listening to Cleveland

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