1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Ronan Volkswagen back in the sixties and the seventies, and 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: probably for as long as they've been around Volkswagen Beetles, 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: they put the battery into the back seat where the 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: car doctor. If you look at an old Beetle, it 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: was always the floor pen that lotted out first because 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: all the battery has had collected and just rotted through 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: the sheet mill. So if the battery didn't fall out 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: on the highway, that would then lead the ascid into 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: the passenger compartment where you are, your kids, are, your groceries, 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: your dog. Welcome to the radio home of Ron Andanian 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: five and now running. If a repair shop is like 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: a baseball game, then Monday's the first inning and it's 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: your setup inning, right It's it's where you're trying to 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: set up the week and and make it work, and 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: where you gotta be because any business I don't care 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: whether you're fixing cars, selling hot dogs, are doing nuclear 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: fission in a laboratory somewhere. You you, you've got to 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: turn the number right. There's gotta be a profit. There's 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: gotta be a reason for your existence. Because the bank 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: doesn't accept, well, we had a bad week. They can't 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: deposit that. As the saying goes, Monday was a bad 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: first inning. Well, and I knew Monday was gonna be 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: a bad first inning because on Sunday last week, and 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: I know this, You know you got to connect the 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: dots because this is what happens on Sunday last week 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: when the shop was closed, which is traditionally Sunday afternoon 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: is my paperwork time of the week where I will 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: sit there and do where I will sit there and 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: do you know paperwork. It becomes the moment where I 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: open up quick Books and I will attempt to open 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: QuickBooks and do my paperwork and so on. And what 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: happened was, imagine my surprise when all of a sudden, 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't j I logged into the shop and quick 39 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Books came up with an error nine and able to 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: open up company file, and I said, wow, isn't that 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: kind of special? It had worked Saturday. It had worked Friday, 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: all of a sudden on Sunday, it doesn't. Now, being 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: a being a diagnostician, I know that you know what 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: occurs Saturday night. Most computer companies seem to do software 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: updates Saturday night into Sunday because you know, there's so 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: few what dope would want to work on Sunday. Ha ha. 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: You know they don't want to tie up people's machines 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: during the work weeks, so they tend to do it 49 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: in all hours. Well, okay, I've got quick Books installed 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: at the house, and I've got quick Books installed at 51 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: the shop. Tried at both places. Went the Windows seven machine, 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: when's the Windows ten machine? And I'll set it up 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: this way, the story up this way because it's a 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: good part to the story. And neither one worked. Both 55 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: had the same error code. Now, you know, you gotta 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: sit there and say to yourself, gee, it's it's pretty 57 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: crazy that you have to a similar problem. Two machines, 58 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: two different operating systems, two different locations, can't be the 59 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: company file. That would be logical. Monday, I waited and 60 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: I called QuickBooks customer support, which is just about non existent. 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I question why they call it that because it doesn't 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: seem like it's much of anything. And I spent the 63 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: better part of six and a half hours Monday on 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: the phone with tech support as they walked me through 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: the trials and tribulations of what was wrong with my computers, 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: my files and not their software. And that sets you back. 67 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: You know, we had we had jobs scheduled to go. Fortunately, um, 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I had one big job that was going to be 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: multi day that I had promised to the customer on 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday, trying to account for a bad first inning, 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: knowing how the repair of business goes after forty five years, 72 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: and we wasted Monday. You know, Monday was just a 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: big nothing happened. It just uh, it's just zeroed itself out. 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: And the best part though about Monday was it was 75 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: probably the bottom of the bottom of the first And 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: I was up at bat and I was talking to 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: the customer support tech and she was explaining to me 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: that the problem with my not being able to open 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: up company files was the fact that quit books needs 80 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: Windows tend to operate. Yeah, I'm saying yeah, she goes, oh, yeah, absolutely, 81 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you go out and because I'm still 82 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: using Windows seven at the shop because I'm not you know, 83 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: there's some things I need to be fancy with and 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the diagnostics software in the auto repair 85 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: of business, believe it or not, still runs Best on seven, 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: still runs it all on seven. I said, yeah, I 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: really need a Windows Tech machine. Yeah. You know, if 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: you buy a Windows Tech machine, I absolutely it'll clear 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: this problem right up. Okay, sit tight a second. And 90 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: from the from my desk at shop, I logged into 91 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: the house, I said, can you see this? What's happening here? 92 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: She says, yeah, what's this? I said, well, this is 93 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: where I have quick Books installed on my other machine 94 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: that's a Windows tent machine. She goes, oh, I said, 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: watch this, click er nine. That's that. Stopped, just speechless, 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: just didn't know what to say. You know, sometimes being 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: a diagnostician, you gotta call their bluff, right It's it's 98 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: sort of like fixing cars. You've gotta you know, while 99 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: the starter is gonna fix the problem. Yeah, but the 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: right directional doesn't work. Explain to me, make the connection 101 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: connect the dots. They couldn't connect the dots. By the way, 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for a callback from QuickBooks, but I 103 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: figured it out that if I dead boot the machines, 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: either one the problem goes away. So there's something wrong 105 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: in either quick books they updated or Windows did an 106 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: update of some kind or operating system update, but both machines. Yeah. 107 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: The good part though, was on Friday, and by the 108 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: way Thursday came around, we I ended up staying late 109 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Monday night. I came in early Tuesday, stayed late Tuesday, 110 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: came in early Wednesday. I made up the time and 111 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: I was able to get the car out Thursday afternoon, 112 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: actually Thursday morning. It was picked up at nine o'clock. 113 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: I got it out pretty much on time. But it's just, 114 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, you have to struggle in the early innings 115 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: and and that's the problem. And that's the point. You 116 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: walk into a repair shop on Monday, and the best 117 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: laid schedule, like any other business, like your business, like 118 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: your job, it goes south right away, in the blink 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: of an eye. And fortunately, I'm real proud of the 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: fact I've got really great customers. They understand it, they 121 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: get it, they know the perils and the pitfalls, they 122 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: know where things fall apart, and for that I'm eternally grateful. 123 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: But it just it just boggles my mind how fast 124 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: it happens. And then and then the second trap that 125 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: you can't fall into when that happens is rushing judgment. 126 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: There were too many other cars that came up after that. 127 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: I was servicing a Honda Civic doing a timing belt 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: and some other diagnostic work, and there was some you know, 129 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: there there were other cars that came up that needed 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: service and repair that you can't rush your judgment. You can't. 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: You can't play catch up at the job's expense. But 132 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: good diagnostics still bails you out. And oh three f 133 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: one fifty was my first diagnostic job sans Honda pass 134 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: the Honda and I got into it on Tuesday when 135 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: it was dropped off. And I'm still struggling, trying to 136 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: recover from the quick Books fiasco when they couldn't help me, 137 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: and trying to get the other card done and trying 138 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: to get trying. You're trying to keep pace, so you 139 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: give up. You kind of give up eating, you know, 140 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: lunch and coffee, and you just like you just work, 141 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: keep your head down, turn the answer machine on, and 142 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: you work all right, and the shop just hums along. 143 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Everybody does their job. This Oh three f one fifty 144 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: came in and it had a misfire. Well, it didn't 145 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: have a misfire. Reported. You have to listen very carefully 146 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: because listening is a good part of the auto repair experience. 147 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: And the customers comment was when it gets wet, the 148 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: truck has a stutter starting out in the lower gears, 149 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: never sees a check engine light, never gets anything beyond that. 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: In dry weather, it's okay. An old fort like that 151 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: V eight. First thing to think about is one of 152 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: the coils is failing, the coil boots breaking down, something ignition. 153 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: I have a really great piece of diagnostic equipment from 154 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Automotive Test Solutions, Bernie Thompson. What a genius this guy is. 155 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: And I'm using the A T S E Scan and 156 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: it gives you the ability to look at everything in 157 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: one spot Mode six scan tool, data, data stream graphic. 158 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: There's a scope Module edition that I have in the package. 159 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: If I had to, I could break out the scope 160 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: real quick and easy. But Bernie didn't take me there. 161 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: Bernie took me to right away. We go to Mode six. 162 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: I look at Mode six. He's got it all laid 163 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: out in simple English and the Mode six test language 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: for that vehicle showed me there was a misfire being 165 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: reported on cylinder four, had a pending code on cylinder four, 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: hadn't turned on the light yet, hadn't stored in history. 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: It was pending. It was about to happen. Made my 168 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: job easy. And sometimes, you know what, when you're struggling 169 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: in the early innings, Uh, you know, a home run 170 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: like that just kind of gets you over the hurdle. 171 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: It will take you and make you a winning team 172 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: very early in the game, when you least expected it. 173 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: I was able to go back to the customer, Hey, Josh, 174 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: it's cylinder number four. Cylind number four, by the way, 175 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't know three F two F two fifty I'm sorry, 176 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: was a fifty super duty? Actually, Uh, Cylindar number four 177 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: is the last cylinder on the passenger side, kind of 178 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: like the hardest one to get to, which, if we 179 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: follow the rules of auto repair, usually the hardest thing 180 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: to get to is what's wrong with it? I said, 181 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: why don't we pull that coil? And instead of moving 182 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: things around or scoping and since I can't duplicate the 183 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: problem right now, why don't we put a new coil 184 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: in this hunter? And eighty three thousand mile, eighteen year 185 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: old or original everything vehicle. You know what, that Gamble 186 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: paid off and the customer agreed to it. It It was 187 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: a hundred allars worth of parts that Gamble paid off 188 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: because when I pulled the coil out, there was a 189 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: black carbon mark on the boot where the coil had 190 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: been punched through because the plug gap was so beat 191 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: up that I think the plug gap spec was forty 192 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: four thousand's the plug was gapped at about ninety two. 193 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: And um, you know he's coming back in two weeks. 194 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna do the rest of the coils and the 195 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: spark plugs as well. And the point becomes that and 196 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: we finished Friday. You know, we finished Friday right on time, 197 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: actually very well. Um we made the number. Everybody was happy. 198 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: All the cars are gone. The only thing is sitting 199 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: in a lot right now, or the cars that are 200 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: gonna get worked on next week. We're all set for 201 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: the week ahead. But trying to dig yourself out of 202 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: a bad first inning is a real tough trick, whether 203 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: it's in base bowl a royal repair. You gotta have 204 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: a good bullpen, you gotta have a good support staff, 205 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: you gotta have a good team you gotta have something 206 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: other than quick books to talk to it, because obviously 207 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing. And you know what, 208 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: you just work a little harder. And that's the life 209 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: of a repair technician. You guys like stories from the shops, 210 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: there's a real one. I just went through it. And boy, 211 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to be here with you today because 212 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: that means the week is over. Eight zero nine zero zero. 213 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm run on any of the car Doctor, I'm ready 214 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: to go fired up and we're ready to talk to 215 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: you about your car problem. Give me a call when 216 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: I get back. I'll be back right after this. When 217 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: you get keep Ron's number hand eight five five five 218 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: six zero nine zero zero for when you really need 219 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: advice on your car. Here's Rob. Welcome back. Let's get 220 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: on over to Matt in Ohio and see what's going 221 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: on here. Two thousand two Dodge Ram Matt. Welcome to 222 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, sir, how can I help? Hey, Ron, 223 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. You're welcome. Um. Yeah, So 224 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: this this the struck has been sitting for about five years, 225 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: and so I pumped out at the diesel. Uh As 226 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: I pumped out all the old fuel, put some fresh 227 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: fuel in it and fired up and fired right up 228 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: like perfectly new batteries an batteries. Um. For some reason, 229 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: when I turned the headlight on it, it stalls out. 230 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know why. It sounds kind of goofy. 231 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: But and I noticed that UM under the hood. When 232 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: I had the relay center opened the a f D, 233 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: the automatic shutdown relay keeps clicking on its own when 234 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: they had lights. Okay, well it's it's yeah. I mean 235 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: that's probably clicking because it's it's it's stalling like it is. 236 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: So is this the is this the five nine diesel? Yes? Um? 237 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: And then does it restart right away? If I turn 238 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: the lights off, it will, it will start right away 239 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: like nothing, but it will if I keep the lights on, 240 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: it will just rank but not start. So my question 241 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: is is it setting any fault codes? Oh? Yeah, there 242 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: there is a fault code. It's T sixteen eight nine 243 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: and that has to do with the computer not being 244 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: able to talk to the the fuel injection pump. Right, um, 245 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: you know setting sixteen go ahead? Go ahead? Uh? Sorry not, 246 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean it runs just fine, It runs and idols 247 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: just perfectly. It sounds great. It's just when I turned 248 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: the headlights on. It out. So let me ask you this. 249 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: There's a red green wire at the injection pump. All right, 250 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: there's the red wire with a green trace. That's sort 251 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: of the ignition hot to the pump that keeps the 252 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: pump on. What what does that voltage do when you 253 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: turn the headlights on? That would be my first question. 254 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: I have not tested that. And then my second question 255 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: is what's the charging rate when you turn the headlights on? 256 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Because it sounds like it sounds like turning the headlights 257 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: on is robbing voltage from another component. Obviously the most 258 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: logical would be the injection pump. A vehicle that's sat 259 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: five years or however long this is set. One of 260 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: the first things I would do is voltage drop test 261 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: the battery grounds, going to the block battery grounds, going 262 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: to the chassis and making sure all cables and connections 263 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: are good and clean, and then looking at voltage. Where 264 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: does voltage go? Have you tried is there anything else 265 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: in the truck? Well? I guess the the air conditioning 266 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: is probably empty. It's probably discharged at this point, and 267 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: that you couldn't turn on the a c UH to 268 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: create any kind Yeah, I noticed the blower motor doesn't 269 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: come on at all. And I took a tester down 270 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: by the blower motor, just the two wires, and there's 271 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: zero volts. There's no ground on it, and there's no 272 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: hot on that eis. But I figured that's a separate issue. Well, 273 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: didn't even bring that, So then do this. Let's let's 274 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: let's find out if it's a separate issue. You know, 275 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta look at everything, all right, So it's stalls, 276 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: it stalls, and it sets A six. Nine has to 277 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: do with lack of communication to the injection pump. If 278 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: the injection pump is not getting correct voltage, guess what, 279 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: it's not talking so you know, back back to the 280 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: original conversation. What's charging? What's charging rate? What's voltage at 281 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: the injection pump? Red green wire? If it's if it's 282 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: below fourteen, if it's twelve vaults and dropping? Where are 283 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: we alright, why is there a charging system issue? We 284 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: can get listen, we can get real technical. We can 285 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, do we have a c coupling 286 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: interference from the alternator because the alternator is old and 287 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: it's leaking, and uh, you know, we can talk from 288 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: now till tomorrow. But you got to kind of know 289 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: the basics and then why doesn't the blower work? Because 290 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: it's the vehicle sad for five years. Where did it 291 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: sit inside or outside? It's set outside on an asphalt 292 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: drive away. Any signs of animal intrusion. There was a 293 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: little bit it looks like some chewed up firewall inside 294 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: that I was looking at all the wires I saw. 295 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: I didn't see any chewed up wires. But then I 296 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: tried need to keep on looking. Well, yeah, and I 297 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: think I think before we try to resort to a 298 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: magic bullet to try and fix this, I want to 299 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: know why the blower doesn't work because I want to know. 300 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: I want to know every other electrical component works. Does 301 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: the truck have a rear window to froster by chance? No, 302 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm just looking for something else electrical of a high 303 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: current draw that you could turn on m I did 304 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: turn the wipers on and they seem to work, and 305 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: they did. Turning the wipers on did not did not 306 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: cause the stall all right, So if we go through 307 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: a wiring diagram, is there a way to trace out 308 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: the harness itself? Where does it come from? It comes 309 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: from the switch right, Is there something? Is there something? 310 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Is there some way that we could Is it the 311 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: act of turning on the headlights themselves? If you take 312 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: if you disconnect the headlights, do this, disconnect both headlights 313 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: at the bulbs? Okay, turn the headlights on. Does the 314 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: truck still stall? What's the voltage at the red green wire? Okay? 315 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: If the truck still stalls, it's not it's not the 316 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: voltage or current requirement of the headlamps, agreed. Okay, it's 317 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: showing us that there is a short circuit somewhere, something 318 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: is misfeeding disabling this vehicle. And that's when you'll find 319 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: the animals. Okay, Um, if there's if there's a way, 320 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: maybe looking at a wiring diagram and finding the junction 321 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: connector and maybe picking the two headlight feeds out and 322 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: leaving everything else in tact. You know? Is it what 323 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to. Is is it the act 324 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: of turning on the headlights? Switch that act itself that's 325 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: causing the problem, or is it the electrical load of 326 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: the lights being applied turned on and on it causes 327 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: at the stall? All right? And then last we didn't 328 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: talk about this, But if you leave the headlights on, 329 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: doesn't restart well, he said no to that. Um, okay, 330 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: never mind. I just answered my own question. Look at 331 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: those things, Maddie, call me back, let me know how 332 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: we go. I'm running any of the Car Doctor. I'll 333 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: be back right after this. Costrass welcome back. We're on 334 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: any of the Car Doctor for the Gentleman. And I 335 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: think it was Alabama that called last week regarding the 336 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: land Rover. A couple of responses from the listener base, 337 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: and we want to thank them for that. Someone wrote 338 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: it and said, hey, Ron, have the gentleman check out 339 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: Hemming's motor news. Another gentleman will actually a personal friend 340 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: with we know Dr Richard McCann from England. He said, hey, Ron, 341 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: happy new Year. Nothing special about parts in the UK 342 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: that land Rover. Local guys send parts all over the world, 343 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: more suppliers than I can shake a stick at. He 344 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: sent me a couple of website links. Rimmer R I, 345 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: M M E R Rimmer Brothers b R OS, Remmer 346 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Brothers dot com and John uh Send John C R 347 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: A D d O c K, John Crak doc cradocdoc 348 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: cardoc ld D dot c O dot UK Limited. So 349 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: there's a there's a bunch of uh, there's a bunch 350 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: of places around for getting land rover parts very easy. 351 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: And then the one I found from UM. I can't 352 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: remember if I found this one or the listeners sent 353 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: it to me, but bear mark B E A R. 354 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: Bear Mock m A C H bear mock dot com. 355 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: So there's there's more than enough places if failure out 356 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: there listening. And I apologize I forgot your name from 357 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: last week. But uh, there's there's a lot of sources 358 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 1: up on the internet. You've got to get out there 359 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: and look. But any other questions, give me a call. 360 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: Let's go over to uh Amish in Indiana. Some questions 361 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: about a twelve ciena'msh welcome to the car doctor, gonna 362 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: help heid on Happy New Year, and I appreciate your health. 363 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: Thank you same to you with this, thank you appreciate 364 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: TWELSI and uh my rear alignment guy he says, like 365 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: alignment guy says year. There's not like justment so I 366 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: could go about the seems is there a better way 367 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: than this seems because I'll be doing this in my 368 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: garage and taking it to the shop to adjust the rear. 369 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: Is there a real issue. Is there a better way 370 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: to do what a missia missed the point to the 371 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: alignment my alignment or a rear that is like justment 372 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: with the oil drive in the back. Well, So what 373 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: you put it? You put it on the shops alignment 374 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: machine and they told you the rear camera and tow 375 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: were out. And now you want to repair it. You 376 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: want to repair it yourself? Right? Okay? So do you 377 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: have the parts? Now? Do you know if there's parts? 378 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: You know? Not every not every vehicle has a problem solver, repair, 379 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: replacement piece to a low for adjustment. Did you do 380 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: that research yet? Yes? I did. There is some seams 381 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I can put on which will fix up to two degrees. 382 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: You I'm gonna underground the two degree marks, uh, stuff 383 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: from stuff from Moog or another company, I think, right, Yeah, 384 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna say if you go to um and 385 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: for everyone else, the easiest way to find out is 386 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: you've got to look up Moog stuff. I always go 387 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: to the o'reillyoto dot com website and O'Reilly oto parts 388 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: will list that you know, go up, pull up the 389 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: vehicle and then it'll show you and bring up particular components. 390 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: Tell its suspension or wheel alignment and it will bring 391 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: up you know, what's listed and rated for that vehicle 392 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: by the different suppliers. MOOG is usually the one that 393 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: comes up. M O O g uh. And you know 394 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: obviously they're everywhere, but O'Reilly Otto parts just makes it easy. 395 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: So what parts did you get control arm adjustable tyrant? 396 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't anything, but like I was thinking about before, 397 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: I go buy parts, like what would be the right 398 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: solution just by the seams and put the themes on, 399 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: or just go and fix the whole thing like this 400 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: change around? It has eight miles eight s Well why 401 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't I'm not sorry, I don't understand the question. Would 402 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: you do what? Or what? Do I just buy the 403 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: seams only to to fix that issue? Or do A 404 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: need to change any other parts? Because the guy never 405 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: told me do if you need any other parts or not? 406 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: He just says like so in the words, you do 407 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: you just buy the same parts or do you buy 408 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: the updated pieces? Is what you're asking me? Yes, okay? 409 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: Is there any adjustment parts availables? I can when I'm 410 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: replacing it, I'm replacing with the extment and the SAMs 411 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: I buy like this that a particular way to put 412 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: those sames on or just go with whatever you have. Well, no, 413 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: I would Okay, I misunderstood. I thought you had replacement parts. 414 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: Do you have replaced Okay, I don't go to Oiley 415 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: Auto dot com. I misunderstood you. I thought I asked 416 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: that question. Go to Oriley Auto dot com. Right type 417 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: in the year, make model of the vehicle, Look up, 418 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: look up rear suspension. They will list from moog okay, 419 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: what components are available and explain what parts do what 420 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, what what the level or degree of adjustment 421 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: there is, and then you know, obviously they make it easy. 422 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: You can just purchase it right from Morelio to parts 423 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: as well. So but if if they're if you're replacing 424 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: parts for this, and you have to replace the parts, 425 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: then yeah, I would put in the adjustable pieces. Now, 426 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: obviously you want to look, you know, how far off 427 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: are the adjustments is it? Is it a quarter degree? 428 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: Is it two degrees? How bad is it within two degrees? 429 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: I am off on one side? Okay, so something is 430 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: clearly bent. Now you can look and see if does 431 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: something look kinked as their paint mark where the paint 432 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: is flaked off. You know, if you measure side to side. 433 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: Even with a tape measure, you can be pretty accurate 434 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: to a degree, No pun intended as far as does 435 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: something look bent or two listed. Sometimes it's the vehicle. 436 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes the vehicle itself is twisted. Sometimes the vehicle took 437 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: a shot on one side, and it's just you know, 438 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: maybe it was an accident if you're not the original owner. 439 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the way the struggle allows it to sit. 440 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: But if if you're going to be replacing parts, I 441 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: would replace them with any and all if they if 442 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: they exist adjustable pieces, because because to do it, you know, 443 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go through the pain of replacement, why 444 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: not make it adjustable. But the reason I was confused 445 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: and the reason I had to call you, because so 446 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: when I'm less, see, if I'm putting the seams on, 447 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: I still have to take the whole reel off, the 448 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: the hub off and all that stuff. Well I'm going 449 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: through all this and just putting the sames on and 450 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: trying to correct it, and then I might as well 451 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: as just as you say it, I said, just change 452 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: the existible parts. So we do have any I know 453 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: you must have experienced dealing with all will drive c ands. 454 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: They don't have anything in a reun ecustment, And like, 455 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: what else I should do while I'm there. Well, at 456 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: eighty thousand miles, it's only eight years old. Have you 457 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: done struts yet the rear shocks? Okay? And I don't 458 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: think you need to if they're dry, if they're dry 459 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: and quiet. And if the vehicle, how is the vehicle 460 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: ride height? Did the alignment guy tell you that was 461 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: the right height? Okay? Yes? Then if ride heights okay, 462 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: I would only change control arm, tyrod, whatever you have 463 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: to do to make the alignment adjustable. There's no need 464 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: to spend any extra money there really is, all right, 465 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: you know. And obviously take a look, you know at 466 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: rubber bushings. The rubber bushings looked dried out, but on 467 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: a twelve, I just don't think they're going to be 468 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: unless this is in a really harsh environment. I don't 469 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: think Indiana is a real harsh environment. Uh, you know, 470 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's not the you know American Southwest 471 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: where it's a d forty degrees in the afternoon in 472 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: the middle of winter. Um, I'm I'm not picking up 473 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: the Southwest. I like a dry heat. But oh boy. Um. 474 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: But that's that's that's how I would approach it. Believe me, 475 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: a two thousand twelve Sienna. There'll be other things you 476 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: get to spend your money on. Right now, let's just 477 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: make the alignment, right sure, one more question with the expertise. 478 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: My brother has eleven uh walk swag, and I know 479 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: you load that brand with with the endless money. We 480 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: don't across the pond. That's the way I did. Wait 481 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: wait wait, wait wait, he's gotta he's got he's got 482 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: a Volkswagen. That's what what kind of a money pit? 483 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Endless money across the part? How crazy is when he 484 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: says they're virtually worthless. There you go, unsolicited from a listener. Folks, 485 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: they're just you know, big all your dump money into. Okay, well, 486 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: help bring him out and man, it's really really you 487 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: have to have a really good patience to work on 488 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: these cars. But long story said, I'm going to help 489 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: him out. Real drum brakes that's what he got from 490 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: the spect I don't know who we put drum brakes 491 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: on the eleven car, but that is really a drum 492 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: breaks and I have to deal with it right now. 493 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: Is that a way I can update that to the 494 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: calipul set up, or uh I just stick to the drum, 495 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. That's a fair question of 496 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: mich I will say this that they do make upgrade 497 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: kids for a lot of vehicles, and I think Jetta 498 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: is right up there. My question would be if, and 499 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: I know there are Jettas that are four wheel disc, 500 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: If the rest of the suspension is traditional and it's 501 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: the same and generally usually most cars carry the same suspension, 502 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: the engineers change the components out close to the wheels, 503 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: the spindle, the break assembly and so on, perhaps he 504 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: can find us a scrapped you know, a Jetta that 505 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: year that was hit in the front with four wheel disc, 506 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: buy the car for parts and take everything off the back, 507 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: and you know it, and then it doesn't It doesn't 508 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: hurt to have a parts car line around. If it's 509 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: a car that's a money pit, every once in a 510 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: while you gotta pick something off of it. It just 511 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: makes life a whole lot easier. So you know, that's 512 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: the way I would do it. I would just sit 513 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: there and if I can find a parts car um, 514 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, do that and at that point then you've 515 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: got a full supply and there's nothing you're gonna miss. 516 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, I understand. Let's let's change it all. Keep 517 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: in mind, though, if you make that a four wheel 518 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: disc brake car, you're gonna have to look at break 519 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: proportioning valve master cylinder just to make sure they're the same, 520 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: because you are going to change the bias how that 521 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: vehicle handles when you break, because a four wheel disc 522 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: car reacts differently than a drum front disc brake car. 523 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: So there you go. The parts car will becoming very handy. 524 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: Good luck to you. I appreciate the call and your 525 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: brother he has my sympathies. My friend, I'm in the 526 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: car doctor zero zero, God, is this a great job 527 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: or what? I'll be back right after this. Geez, where's 528 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: Tony at with when you need him? Let's get over 529 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: to Michael in Texas and see what's going on here. 530 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: Any in the car? Doctor at your service? Sir? What's 531 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: going on? Hello to you? I thank you for taking 532 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: my calls from properly. I asked I have this for 533 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: E one Tipty van. It's got about two hundred and 534 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: fifty five miles on it now. He turned up. It 535 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: was headed to the Junkyard for turty, and I had 536 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: more electronic system the Titanic in the Bismarck. But anyways, 537 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: I have this Uni body problem where the Uni body 538 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: boats have rotted away and the back doors have settled 539 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: pretty close to the buffer, and I have to I'll 540 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: fight it to get it open. And I've had it 541 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: jacked up and I moved it a little bit, but 542 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: hardly not enough. I didn't know whether you guys would 543 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: accept this call or not, but if you can give 544 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: me some it's improvising advice. I should appreciate it. I 545 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: figured I'll discover to get it. Let me let me, 546 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Michael, if if the is 547 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: it the body that's so rotted well, the the you 548 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: the body boats there happened boats, I don't know, probably 549 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: about eight or ten of them around that boat to 550 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: the frame. They have rubbers underneath them, and it's settled 551 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: down because those have been rotted away. So I'm dealing with. 552 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm surprised that the body has not blown off. Well, 553 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: i gotta tell you, I'm sitting here listening to the call, 554 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, let's say a ninety four one, and 555 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: Michael sounds like a nice guy, and I don't want 556 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: see anything bad happened to him. The vehicles two thousand 557 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: four fourteen, the vehicles coming up on thirty years old. Soon, 558 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: um uh, you know how soon before the body does 559 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: blow off the frame? And how unsafe is it? I 560 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, sir. I imagine the ones 561 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: up front or pretty much secure ones in the rear 562 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: have allowed me to settle probably about a half an 563 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: inch I would stay at least, and uh, I thought 564 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: maybe they would wait wait, I could wedge it then 565 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: and then have it slip out the right back to 566 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: the same Yeah. But Michael, listen to me a minute. 567 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: All right, what you're talking about is you're talking about 568 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: modifying a body that is literally rotting off the frame, right, 569 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: fair statement. I mean that's what it's doing. So how 570 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: can you how can you drive that? And I get it, 571 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: you know what, It becomes an obsession. But you've either 572 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: got to shim it up in the back of the 573 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: proper way for that matter, why can't you raise the 574 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: body up a little and slide in a metal shim 575 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: a wash or something just to give you the extra 576 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: clearance and just shim it. But if the if the 577 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: rear bolts aren't securing the body to the frame, it's 578 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: just it's just an accident waiting to happen. At what 579 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: point does it become a fatality. The other issue is 580 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: how will that vehicle react in an accident? And that's 581 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: what you also have to think about. How will that 582 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: vehicle react in an accident. I don't care if you 583 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: can drive down the highway at sixty, but if that 584 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: gets hit, does the body separate from the frame and 585 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: the vehicle becomes airborne automatically because there's nothing holding the 586 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: body down. You know, you can patch work and Rube 587 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: Goldberg this all the time. And I don't mean to lecture, 588 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna lecture a little bit here. But you've 589 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: got to think about this is a vehicle that, as 590 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: you said, you described it was on its way to 591 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: the junkyard, and you saved it. But saved it from 592 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: what because this could also be a dangerous vehicle in 593 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: the event of an accident or in the event of 594 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: just driving down the road and hitting a pothole the 595 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: wrong way, losing stability and control, and then it's a fatality. 596 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: You can try what you want. If it were me 597 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: I'd get a body shop to look at it. Make 598 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: sure this vehicle is attached at the anchor and mounting 599 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: points that Ford wanted to attach that, and only then 600 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: would I drive it once it's repaired properly. Good luck, 601 00:32:47,880 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: Zero on back right after this, Hang on to listen. 602 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: There's a there's an unspoken rule in order to repair 603 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: and and and and that is that the vehicle. I 604 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: know the vehicle has to be safe, but there's just 605 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: this rule that says common sense has to apply. And 606 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying anybody to apply common sense. Maybe we 607 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: don't look at it correctly. I'll tell the story this way. 608 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: We had a No. Six Mans in the shop this 609 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: week that was pushed in while it was driven in. 610 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: Should have been pushed in. When we got in the car, 611 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: the charging system wasn't working. Dash lights were lit up 612 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: and there was an electrical smell. There was something clearly 613 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: burning under the dash on the right side. Diagnose the 614 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: problem down to the alternator was overcharging, was putting out 615 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: eighteen and a half nineteen volts where it should be 616 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: fourteen and climbing. It just kept going up and up 617 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: and up and up. The wipers ran on their own 618 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: we couldn't get the wipers to shut off. Done right? It? Uh? 619 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: You know needs an alternator to start. Is that going 620 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: to fix the vehicle? That's gonna fix the charging system problem? 621 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what other damage and where their consequential 622 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: damage was done to the rest of the computers, on 623 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: board modules, wiring, et cetera. Until I fix problem may 624 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: My point is, there comes a stage in a car's 625 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: life where you have to decide either fix problem one 626 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: right and then walk away, and and be prepared to 627 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: walk away. You know they they drove the Masda out 628 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: without the alternator being plugged in, so it was running 629 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: on the battery. They live around the corner from the shop, 630 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: and they understood everything I said and they got it. 631 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: Can I tell them that's gonna fix it? I don't know. 632 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: You gotta put an alternator anything. Can I tell you 633 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: jacking up the rear of the Ford van from the 634 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: gentleman that just called from Texas is gonna make that 635 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: vehicle safe? I don't know. You gotta look at the 636 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: rest of them too. My point is electrical fires, bodies 637 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: that aren't mounted on frames correctly, they're all just as bad. 638 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: They're all just as big a danger. Cars have to 639 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: be safe. I'm not an aiding in the car doctor, 640 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: reminding you this time, every time, each time, for a 641 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: great time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you