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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and I heard

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Speaker 2: podcast and unbothered production.

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 2: With the NCAA Women's tournament in full swing, Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: decided to do a ranking of the top ten greatest

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Speaker 2: women's college basketball players in history. And before I get

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Speaker 2: into who made the top ten list, let me preemptibly say,

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Speaker 2: well played, Fox, Well fucking played. Because the nature of

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Speaker 2: most of these lists is to drive engagement.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm engaged. Engagement here. Now here's their list.

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Speaker 2: Number ten, Lynette Woodard, number nine, Asia Wilson, number eight,

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Speaker 2: Kennis Parker number seven, Brittany Griner number six, Maya Moore

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Speaker 2: number five, Shamika hold Squad number four, Cheryl Miller number three,

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Speaker 2: Diana Tarassi, number two, Caitlin Clark, and number one Brianna Stewart.

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Speaker 2: They also included these honorable mentions Kelsey Plus, Sabrina Ionescu,

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Speaker 2: Alenda del Don, Cheryl Swoops, and Rebecca Lobo.

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Speaker 1: Now, every woman listed is a great.

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Speaker 2: But this list is wrong. Now I get the case

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Speaker 2: for a Brianna Stewart at number one. She won a

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Speaker 2: national title every single year she was at Yukon, which

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Speaker 2: is an absurd accomplishment. She also won Player of the

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Speaker 2: Year three straight years, which is also completely absurd.

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Speaker 1: But is she the best to ever do it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: For one accomplished and great two different things. Stewiet is

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Speaker 2: by far the most accomplished player. And yes she is great,

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Speaker 2: She's just not that est part. Now, how can Stewey

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Speaker 2: be the goat of women's college basketball, which she's not

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Speaker 2: even the greatest player in Yukon's history.

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Speaker 1: Doris Burg, tell them who that is her?

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Speaker 3: Connecticut's best players are concerned, I would still have Diana

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Speaker 3: Tarazzi in that conversation right there with her. And here's

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Speaker 3: live in two thousand and three and two thousand and

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Speaker 3: four when they were winning their second and third of

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Speaker 3: it was their brilliance and their abilities and their I

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Speaker 3: don't know how to say it, but they are people

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Speaker 3: who can make those around them exceed. There what you

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Speaker 3: think is their ceiling as a player, regardless of sport.

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Speaker 3: And Diana did not have the luxury of the next

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Speaker 3: two best players in the country beside her, and you

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Speaker 3: look at how she won those tournaments. Guys, it was

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Speaker 3: truly a thing to watch. That goes back to his

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Speaker 3: common I have Diana and you don't, And it was

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Speaker 3: shill Apropos.

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Speaker 2: Diana Lreena Tarassi of the House of Huskies, first of

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Speaker 2: mother of competitive Mayhem aka she got that dog in her,

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Speaker 2: the White Mamba of ball.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: When Tarasi got to Yukon, they were at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of establishing their superpowers. Her first title came her sophomore

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Speaker 2: year on that historic thirty nine and Oh team with

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Speaker 2: that crew graduated a lot of people were predicting that

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Speaker 1: That former Husty Ashley Battle explained.

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Speaker 4: Going into my red shirt sophomore year, we didn't have

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Speaker 2: Like for real, now, wait a minute. The NT after

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Speaker 2: going thirty nine and zero the disrespect. But Daily wasn't alone.

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Speaker 4: The media thought the same thing we were. I think

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Speaker 4: like preseason number six, which was like the lowest Yukon

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Speaker 4: much saying, oh, well they have Diana, but who else.

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Speaker 2: Being ranked six in the preseason? I mean, that's hardly

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Speaker 2: no slide for Yukon. Diana Tarassi lived up to every

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Speaker 2: with Tarassi winning National Other Player her final two seasons.

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Speaker 2: See when did he and greatest Player? It's about a

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Speaker 1: All of that matters.

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Speaker 2: So when Fox listed Caitlyn Clark as the second greatest

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Speaker 2: Does Pete head seth send detailed attack plans over signal? Hell, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Statistically, Caitlyn Clark almost has no peer. Offensively, nobody has

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Speaker 1: Her impact is that of a true pioneer.

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Speaker 2: She broke attendance records everywhere she went, and last year,

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Speaker 2: an obvious one.

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Speaker 1: But here's the problem. All the other greats on this

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Speaker 2: It's just pretty hard to justify being that high on

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Speaker 1: Well, neither of this.

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Speaker 2: she should be. Cheryl Swoops started her career at University

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Speaker 2: She then transferred to Texas Tech, which was nowhere on

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Speaker 1: Now Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: Earned the number two seed, and behind Cheryl Swoops' dominance,

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Speaker 2: Her air swoops were the first Sneakers name after a woman.

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Speaker 1: People were regularly.

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Speaker 2: Referring to her as the female Michael Jordan. Even Michael

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Speaker 3: She really unstopped me.

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Speaker 5: I think she really opened eyes about women's basketball. She's

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Speaker 1: So by now I know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Who are my top ten greatest women's college basketball players

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you anyway. But before I reveal that,

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Speaker 2: let me explain my criteria informing my list. It's team impact, ability, hardware, context, competition,

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Speaker 2: actually seen them play. So here's my list coming in

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Speaker 2: at ten Tamika Catchings, a name that isn't brought up

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Speaker 1: Just a complete score.

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Speaker 2: Number nine Shamika Hoes call, like the previously mentioned Meek

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Speaker 2: There was nothing she couldn't do offensively, three straight national titles,

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Speaker 2: Brittany Grider, dominant, big, ferocious defender, won a national title,

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Speaker 2: here's where I have Kaitlyn Clark. She has truly moved

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Speaker 2: the game into a new era. Number six swoops. Texas

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Speaker 2: Tech has its only national title in women's basketball because

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Speaker 1: Number five Candice Parker.

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Speaker 2: Not only does she have first team All American baby hairs,

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Speaker 1: She just did things and games where you say, now,

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and six, she became the first woman

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Speaker 1: Turnover to Spencer, you're thinking about it, duct there is

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Speaker 1: We said it at the start. She wants to shut out.

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Speaker 1: Best freshman in America is Canais Parker. She is siptially

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Speaker 1: her first dunk in college. She won the McDonald's High

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Speaker 1: Number four Paige and Stewie.

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Speaker 2: No other player has her championship resume at number three.

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Speaker 1: Maya Moore.

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Speaker 2: I still don't think people appreciate how gifted Maya Moore

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Speaker 2: I love that for her. Now, before I give you

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Speaker 2: They are Sabrina iin Escu, who is in that class

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Speaker 2: of best players to never win a national championship. Kelsey Plumb,

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Speaker 2: before Katelyn Clark broke that record. Simone Augustus led LSU

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Speaker 2: consummate winner and maybe the best floor general and leader

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Speaker 2: and I know I'm gonna have to let her go

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Speaker 2: at some point, because lists, when it comes to sports,

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Speaker 6: to play it. And then your mama can't drive you nowhere.

435
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 6: And then you got a coach from the football team

436
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 6: coming in and saying, we can get you thirty thousand

437
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 6: and two white girls right now if you sign this

438
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 6: commitment letter, Baseball don't give you know what, Baseball don't

439
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 6: give them. You don't even get a white girl. You

440
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 6: gotta get the Triple A before you get your first

441
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 6: white girl.

442
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a shame though, because, as somebody

443
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: like you like, baseball was my first love as well

444
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: growing up in Detroit. Big Tiger fan, Big Tiger fan

445
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: even now, so happy we had the season that we

446
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: just had and looking forward to They're coming out here

447
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: to La so I'm gonna go see them play the

448
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: Dodgers at the end of March.

449
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: But you know, it's all the things that you said.

450
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: It's lack of access, lack of resources, and it is

451
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: just a coolness factor that football and basketball have that

452
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: baseball doesn't necessarily have, and so kids are much more

453
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: attracted to that than they are to playing baseball. But

454
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: I will say too, I think another problem that they're

455
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: experiencing is you know, and I think this goes for

456
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: all sports, Like sports are becoming more expensive, regardless if

457
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: it's basketball. Like the amount of games that high school

458
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: and youth basketball players are playing is alarming.

459
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: You know what happened? It is absurd. I mean, they're

460
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: playing like seventy.

461
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: Five to one hundred games a year, and then we're

462
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: shocked when they're in their early twenties they get to

463
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: the NBA and they got to do low management. It's

464
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: like the professionalization of youth sports across the board is

465
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 2: really it is really something that is disheartening because as

466
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: those of us who grew up having rec centers, being

467
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: able to play in the neighborhood is like that shit

468
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: don't exist no more.

469
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: Like it's going away very very rapidively. Is like it's

470
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: basically gone.

471
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 6: And you also have parents that are living vicariously through

472
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 6: these kids. These parents got hoop dreams of their own

473
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 6: as well. There's a little bit of that, and they're

474
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 6: pushing the kids too hard, you know. I saw somewhere

475
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 6: someone said that you should be cross training your children

476
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 6: and they should be playing other sports in the off

477
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 6: season because all sports help you with other sports. So

478
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 6: the idea of only playing baseball and then you're just

479
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 6: mentally and emotionally drained. And I also feel like to

480
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 6: a degree, that leads to a lot of that post

481
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 6: retirement depression shit that these athletes be dealing with, because

482
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 6: who are you? All you've done is hold this ball

483
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 6: since she was ten, and now you're thirty four, and

484
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 6: you got to figure out what your likes are because

485
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 6: you ain't even been to a summer camp, big nog.

486
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 6: You ain't. You ain't done nothing. And so I think

487
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 6: that having parents that understand the kids to need a

488
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 6: variety of activities, I think is an important part of it.

489
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 6: But I think by and large, when I think about

490
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 6: why I was attracted to baseball, I liked baseball because

491
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 6: it was the ultimate social but isolating sport like I

492
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 6: didn't like football, like okay, like to the Memphis to

493
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 6: Birmingham thing. So when we moved to Birmingham. I was

494
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 6: third grade and I tried to play seventy five pound

495
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 6: football and it's too late. Like once you're trying to

496
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: play football third fourth grade, the aggression is there within

497
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 6: the kids. And I never would like I had played. Mean,

498
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 6: we were in Memphis. I played church baseball at Mississippi

499
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 6: Boulevard Baptist. I played a little bit of soccer, kind

500
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 6: polite sports. Yeah, the football. These motter fuckers, gangster disciples

501
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 6: in the fourth grade, like we was in the hood.

502
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 6: We're in West End and I'm like, I'm not going

503
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 6: to tackle no gangs of this. And then I got

504
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 6: to run home the next five days. So give me baseball.

505
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 6: And baseball was fun. There was flamboyance to it. I

506
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 6: remember Dave Stewart. Dave Stewart used to have the death stare.

507
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 6: Would he'd have the glove up overs and the bib

508
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 6: down here, the glove up here. It was like a

509
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 6: he literally looked like a ninja like that shit was

510
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 6: cool to me. I don't think you have you know

511
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 6: a lot of that. I mean, you know, God bless

512
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 6: Mookie Betts because I really feel like he's putting the

513
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 6: culture of baseball on his back. For black Americans too,

514
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 6: which I think is also a very important part of

515
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 6: the equation, is that because of the international influence and

516
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 6: the influx of international players into the sport, now, if

517
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 6: you're a team, I don't necessarily have to get a

518
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 6: local if you will in terms of an American. So

519
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 6: I think that allowing the international players in to have

520
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 6: their own flamboyance, to have their own flair to the

521
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 6: game would help bring some brothers back to the damn sport.

522
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 6: But I just don't think that. I think baseball is

523
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 6: run by traditionalists, conservative, very conservative, not politically behaviorally conservative,

524
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 6: probably conservative like that too. But you know what I'm saying,

525
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 6: a little yeah, it's the idea of pull your pants

526
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 6: up you're wearing Like I saw there was a post

527
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 6: about jazz Chisholm. I don't know. It's just some spring training,

528
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: just jazz being happy, just someth motherfucker happy and taking

529
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 6: ground as at second base, and somebody in the comments

530
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 6: talking about the jewelry and why you gotta hold that

531
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 6: step fun. It's very pull up your pants type of verbiage.

532
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 6: I mean, something as stupid as the Yankees letting people

533
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 6: have a bed. God bless you I know.

534
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: The fact that they're just now deciding to lift the

535
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: facial hair requirement is very on brand for baseball. It's

536
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: like baseball is still one of those warts that you know,

537
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: it feels like segregation, but it's not just yeahs, Jim Crow,

538
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: but it's like, despite our presence, you're like, what is this?

539
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like I'm not drinking at the

540
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: proper water? Found Sometimes when I.

541
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 6: Watch it, it's not like baseball didn't have a relationship

542
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 6: with black people, but it's just to get black people

543
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 6: to come and watch the game. To get black people

544
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 6: to really care about it enough to play it, there

545
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 6: has to be a player that looks like here that

546
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 6: you can identify with or that you can relate to.

547
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 6: And I think the lack of flair and the lack

548
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 6: of swag, Like you don't even see baseball players walking

549
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 6: in the tunnel to the to the game. Just let

550
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 6: me see your outfit. What's your wore to the stadium

551
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 6: in the day? Dog? Can we just see that? Like

552
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: they won't even give you that. So and most baseball

553
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 6: players are just very much blue collar mentality. So I

554
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: don't know what you would get out of them anyway.

555
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 6: But you know, like, remember, I ain't saying we need

556
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 6: racists back in baseball, but remember how good you felt

557
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 6: when a black person hit a home run off John

558
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 6: Rocker from the Braves.

559
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: It was a moment always.

560
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: It's just it was just it was like a black

561
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 6: person dunking on a Boston Celtic in the eighties. It

562
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 6: just felt right. It just you need storylines. You need

563
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 6: people that are like, like as interesting and as appealing

564
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 6: as show hal Tani is, Show Hay is. Really he's

565
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 6: kind of a low key person. You know, if we're

566
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 6: just talking about some face of the league type of shit,

567
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 6: he should show up and do his job. You're going

568
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 6: to need something else, you know, other than that, even

569
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 6: something as simple. So like for the last two years

570
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 6: with MLB Network, right, I've hosted the All MLB Awards

571
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 6: show where they have something as simple as twenty thirty

572
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 6: athlete in the building and you know what, we're gonna

573
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 6: give y'all some trophies. The season just ended, Come onto

574
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 6: the room, get the trophy. And they're building it eventually

575
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: to be their version of the NFL Honors. Right. First

576
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 6: year was fine, it was cool. Second year, way more

577
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 6: players showed up. We got Sholta to sing Sheolta Imanaga

578
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 6: from the Cubs. We got him to sing those Cubs Go,

579
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 6: which doesn't seem like a big deal. But this is

580
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 6: a reserve Japanese dude. It's just over a low key

581
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 6: to throw fastballs. He's performing. He's coming out of his shell.

582
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 6: So if he'll come out of his shell, then maybe

583
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 6: the rest of y'all won't be so tight, and then

584
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 6: y'all will come out and kick it. Because baseball players

585
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 6: a low key. They the funniest, oh four.

586
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: They have a lot of personality.

587
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: It's just I do think that they're often discouraged from

588
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: that and they could be a little guarded, and I

589
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: get it. Depending on the media market too, is that

590
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: where they may not feel quite as free to you know,

591
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: because it's then he would become under scrutiny and all

592
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, and a lot of players just

593
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: don't want the hassle of you know, people scrutinizing what

594
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: they wear and what they say, and like, they may

595
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: not want the hassle, but I, like yourself, I have

596
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: been around baseball players in those off air like everybody's

597
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: not around moments, and those cats they also have incredible

598
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: stories because people have to realize baseball players when they're

599
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: on the road, you know, like they're in cities three

600
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: four days.

601
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Like they can have whole families about ten cities. Be

602
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: there men.

603
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so it's a little bit different experience and

604
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: the stories they tell.

605
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: I promise you it's like some of the best shit

606
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: you've ever heard.

607
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 6: Here's what I'm trying to say, Baseball needs an Anthony

608
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: Edwards m and I don't know who that could be.

609
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 6: Mookie bet to Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable, million

610
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 6: dollar a smile. That's important. But you also need chaos, Negro.

611
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: You need is a chaos agent.

612
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 6: He told he talked to you saw the clip of

613
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: him talking to Obama. He was talking to Obama like

614
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 6: that was his little brother. Oh yeah, you what you did?

615
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 6: You kill Ben Laden? That's what's up. You can't dunk though.

616
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 6: That ain't literally what he said, but but it's fun.

617
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 6: You don't know what's gonna come out of his mouth.

618
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 6: He's not a feeling. I'm just saying he is himself

619
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 6: authentically at all times, and he's allowed to be that

620
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 6: without penalty.

621
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Right. That's why three dollars worth of fines already because.

622
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 6: All the time, God forbid, you take too long jogging

623
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 6: around the bases in a home run strut and somebody

624
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 6: get mad at you. Josh Chisholm at home or he

625
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 6: do a euro step. And this is when he was

626
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: with the Marlins. They was eighty games out of first place,

627
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 6: and he was still he can't carry it along, like

628
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 6: somebody got to help them. And I just I just

629
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 6: really feel like the sport benefit like when you talk

630
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 6: about like somebody like even say Ronald Lacuna, who you know,

631
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 6: we're talking like Latin players. Now, let them have their flair,

632
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 6: let them be who they are, let them style around

633
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 6: the basis, and that will eventually bring in the next

634
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 6: generation of people. And there's so many there's just so

635
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 6: many people also the baseball writers too, you know, who

636
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 6: had just held bent on the game being played a

637
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 6: certain way. And I just think that you have to

638
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 6: be very careful with tradition because sometimes tradition is just

639
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 6: dead people's baggage and it's not going to benefit you.

640
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because that actually brings about

641
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: another interesting conversation that's.

642
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: Been had in the NBA.

643
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if you saw it, but we're

644
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: just how my Anthony Edwards who said that he really

645
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: didn't want to be the face of the league, all right,

646
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: although that's a process where you're more chosen as.

647
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: Opposed to you choosing to do it.

648
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: So like if people decide he's a face, he's a face,

649
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: and there's really nothing he can do about it. Lebron,

650
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 2: on the other hand, responded by saying he doesn't blame

651
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards a feeling that way because he said, like

652
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 2: who would want to be the face? And it brought

653
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: up this really interesting conversation because a lot of people

654
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: think that part of what's holding the NBA back and

655
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: why you know, when you watch NFL coverage, for example,

656
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: like those NFL guys like they ride for the NFL,

657
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: Like for the most part, they will definitely be critical,

658
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: but they ride for it. When you look at NBA

659
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: coverage by large, people are brutally honest, like and really

660
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: a lot of things.

661
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of this.

662
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Is centered around how the inside the NBA guys, you know,

663
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: how they commentate to talk about the game, which people

664
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: love the fact that they're authentic, that they tell the truth,

665
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: that they don't sugarcoat that they ain't bullshiting. But some

666
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: people have wondered if the NBA conversation is often too

667
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: negative and too toxic, and in part some of people

668
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: blame history that because of there is is a reluctance

669
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: to let certain things go, certain people go, like Michael Jordan,

670
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: because of course his name, you know, surfers through all

671
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: of it.

672
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 6: He is the measuring he's the bar by which but

673
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 6: is he so.

674
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: Much the bar roer that naturally it leads to us

675
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: tearing down greatness of everybody we don't feel like meets

676
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: that bar and whatever way we measure it like, is

677
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: the reverence and the fixation with Michael Jordan sort of

678
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: bad for the NBA as we try to move to

679
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: a place where the players of today are actually celebrated

680
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: for their own greatness.

681
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's bad. I think that we don't

682
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 6: appreciate what's happening now based on the rules and the

683
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 6: dynamics of now versus that era. And then you got

684
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 6: people that's older than you and me that will just

685
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 6: scream Bill Russell until the day they die, because Bill

686
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 6: Russell also fought racism on the way to the stadium

687
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 6: every day and that's a different type of stress. So

688
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 6: you know, we could argue different generations, but I think

689
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 6: the across generation arguments are not fair to the current

690
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 6: day players. I do think the dynamic of the criticism, though,

691
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 6: I think that that's interesting. I think you have to

692
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 6: take that with a grain of salt if you're a

693
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 6: current player, because also there's not nearly as many frank

694
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 6: and verbally blatant players as there are now covering the

695
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: game as there was in the eighties and nineties. You

696
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 6: give what I'm saying, like most basketball pre game shows

697
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: and postgame shows, and it's not The NBA is an

698
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 6: anomaly because they found very opinionated players who had the

699
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 6: respect of the sport, who would like Charles Barkley is

700
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 6: the only like, that's one of the few people that

701
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 6: could come in and say those things and make those

702
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 6: accusations and make those assessments because it comes from a

703
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 6: technical it comes from a technical place. I'm trying to

704
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 6: think like they're like doctor j never gotten the move

705
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 6: to critique Jordan. If I'm trying to compare like overlapping

706
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 6: type errors, you get what I'm saying. So I just

707
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: don't think I don't think that it's realistic to expect

708
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 6: people to be as kind as they were when hate

709
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 6: is what sales and these are media companies and they

710
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 6: are looking for engagement. This is debate culture. They will

711
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: pull a question out, they ask on a slow day,

712
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 6: Ain't nothing more fun than watching sports debate shows in

713
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 6: June when it's only baseball? Oh, their motherfuckers be scraping

714
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 6: the bottom of the barrel. They refuse to talk about

715
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 6: mid season baseball because it ain't.

716
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: That's what bear you be like, Damn yes, yes, and.

717
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 6: They will have two breaks about Lebron versus Bear. I

718
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 6: think that being the face of the league is always

719
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 6: going to come with some degree of criticism and staying

720
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: culture is also part of the problem too. Let's not forget.

721
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: I don't think it's all on the broadcasters. I think

722
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 6: the broadcasters feel the fire a bit, but it's also fans.

723
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 6: Some of y'all are weird. Some of y'all are weird,

724
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 6: only riding for one person for the rest of your life,

725
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 6: like this is a gang. None of these players know you,

726
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 6: none of them truly care. Just appreciate the sport and

727
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 6: the fact that you got Lebron putting up x y

728
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 6: Z NUM. I think Lebron round the corner from fifty

729
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: k points. By the time this podcast air, he'll have

730
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 6: it and it's gonna be people going, well, he needed

731
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 6: more games than Jordan to do it. Jordan did. Imagine

732
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 6: if Jordan came out of high school, Jordan wasted full

733
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 6: years at playing for Dean Smith. So if that makes

734
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 6: you feel good to argue and belittle it and what

735
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 6: about it, I just think that you're denying yourself an opportunity,

736
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 6: you know, to enjoy this. But you have to have

737
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 6: some degree of honesty, you know, if they're going to

738
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 6: ride on him, be about about taking too many games off.

739
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 6: That's a fair assessment. If you feel like y'all shouldn't

740
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 6: be taken like if a player goes, y'all shouldn't be

741
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 6: taking this many games off because the fans paid blah

742
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 6: blah blah blah blah. Well, that's a different mindset from

743
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 6: the nineties NBA that we came upon. Also, the contracts

744
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 6: are much more lush, so you might have people that

745
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 6: are a little bit more lazy and a little less

746
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 6: incentivized to lose way to do a push up. Maybe

747
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 6: that's what happened with Luca. So if that's the case,

748
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 6: as an analyst, I think it's your job to call

749
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 6: stuff as you see it, and I just think the

750
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 6: dynamics of the support have changed. But at the end

751
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 6: of the day, I think that it's on the fans

752
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 6: to appreciate what's happening because the talent and the people

753
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 6: in these media companies and the producers, they're not going

754
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 6: to just glorify everybody because that's not ratings and that's

755
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 6: not profit. And we paid a gajillion billion dollars for

756
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 6: the rights to show this NBA game, and I'm going

757
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 6: to create whatever story in narrative I need to create

758
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 6: so that your ass tune in, because that's all I

759
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 6: care about. Most companies don't care about goodness or or

760
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 6: doing the right thing. I think that's one of the things.

761
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 6: I think that's one of the places where we fail.

762
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: Media as a whole is expecting media to be wholesome

763
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 6: and have morals. It is not. And that and that's

764
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 6: not just sports media. We're talking media, We're talking news

765
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 6: as a whole.

766
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 5: You know, like the.

767
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 6: Idea of doing what you believe is the most profitable thing,

768
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 6: even if it's not the right thing that's always been

769
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 6: them of media.

770
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: That is a.

771
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: I got a lot to say about that, but I'm

772
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: gonna wait. We're gonna take a quick break, Roy, and

773
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: we're going to come back, and we're going to get

774
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: into that, especially in light of some of the changes

775
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: that we're seeing at other networks. And I definitely want

776
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: to get into how I got news for you as well.

777
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: Very much enjoying this season, So we're get into all

778
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: of that. But break, I know she said it off.

779
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask.

780
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: You about that episode too, But yes, we'll take a

781
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: quick break and we'll be back with more from Roywood Junior. Okay, Ry,

782
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: before we took a break, you said that like media

783
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: is about profit, and you're right. The problem is and

784
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: where the lines get and maybe where I'm a little

785
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: bit more emotional about it or I'm less of that

786
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: mindset is because you're completely right. The problem is when

787
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: I decided to become a reporter in college, journalism very much.

788
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Was considered to be a public good.

789
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't really supposed to be this huge

790
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: four profit industry that it became. You know, I compared

791
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: to maybe the NC double A right, the NC DOUBLEA

792
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: started off quote unquote amateur to some degree, never with

793
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: the imagination that one day this would be billions of

794
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: dollars in this sport, which as more money came in

795
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: is sort of changed.

796
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: What was the goal and what was the mission?

797
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: Correct?

798
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: And I just don't know if journalism and media and

799
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: those are two separate things.

800
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: If you're talking about media, yes, media is p profit.

801
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: I just don't know if journalism can be that not

802
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: if it's in the way that it's supposed to.

803
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 6: Well, it's supposed to function like that, but then media

804
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 6: we also have to separate the difference between journalism and editorial, punditry,

805
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 6: things like that, and I think that those things emerge

806
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 6: together as well. And I think that's part of the issue,

807
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 6: is that the average person watching a news channel can't

808
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 6: tell the difference between opinion and fact, and I think

809
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 6: that's part of where well, if they if the people

810
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 6: don't care, well, then let's just give them whatever the

811
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 6: hell they're willing to consume, and then let's collect the

812
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 6: dollars on the backside with the ads. I really do

813
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 6: not like the fact that most media companies are not

814
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 6: tied to just telling the truth just for the sake

815
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 6: of telling the truth. If you look at before we

816
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 6: even get the MSNBC, let's let's let's let's get in

817
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 6: on Jeff Bezos with everything. With the Washington Post, you

818
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 6: have the opinions page. The opinions page is supposed to

819
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 6: be the one little corner of the paper where anybody

820
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 6: can say whatever the fuck they feel for as long

821
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 6: as they meet the word count. You got correct punctuation,

822
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 6: you should be able to say exactly what it is

823
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 6: you feel. And you got Bezos going, nah, if you

824
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 6: on some different shit, we ain't putting that in the paper.

825
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: That's not journalism anymore. It's not it's not. And so

826
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: you look at you look at a lot of these

827
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: media companies and I feel like they are definitely succumbing

828
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 6: to the pressure of whatever appeace is shareholders or whatever

829
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 6: gets ratings. And when you look at when you look

830
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 6: at certain networks and you look at certain people on

831
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 6: those networks, the network can go, Okay, you're a good journalist,

832
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 6: and good journalism should ruffle a few feathers. But if

833
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 6: you don't want a feather ruffle in there because you

834
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 6: think they're ultimately they're well, you don't you call people

835
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 6: out and we don't. We don't want that. You gotta go.

836
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 6: Don't tell me. Joy Reid's firing was about ratings. Don't

837
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 6: tell me that, Like, that's not I choose not to

838
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 6: believe it. And this is coming from Comedy Central, where

839
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 6: I've seen I've been on ratings calls and in ratings meetings,

840
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 6: and I've gotten the emails good good news gained, We're

841
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 6: up fourteen percent and seventy one to seventy three year old.

842
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 6: You can spin ratings into whatever kind of victory or

843
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 6: loss you want it to be. It's like ratings is

844
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 6: like somebody's outfit. You can just say it looked nice,

845
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 6: so you can say it look bad and that's the truth.

846
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 6: So it's surely more involved in that. And so when

847
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 6: you start looking at the idea of what quote good

848
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 6: journalism is, like we joked last night, we we joked

849
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 6: the other day on CNN. We were talking about Gail

850
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 6: King going to space, right, and you know, Gail King

851
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 6: for to go to space in one of the Bezos rockets,

852
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 6: and I jokingly but kind of serious mentioned Joy Reid.

853
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 6: And basically basically what I said on my show is

854
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 6: that you know, if you're a black woman and you're

855
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 6: good at journalism. They trying to trying to get rid

856
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 6: of it. Don't don't go to space Gail, because they

857
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 6: got joy and now they're trying to get to like

858
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 6: one by one. And so I think that good journalism

859
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 6: to a degree and asking the right questions to a degree.

860
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 6: I think a lot of companies are starting to find

861
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 6: that to be baff of business. And I think that

862
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 6: business is appeasing the government and staying out of their

863
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 6: crosshairs because they believe that the government will ultimately put

864
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 6: them in a fucking figure full leg lot. That creates

865
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Speaker 6: a space where they feel like they can no longer

866
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Speaker 6: make money. And then you spend in you spending googabs

867
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Speaker 6: of of money in court. You know. But it's it's

868
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 6: media is in a weird position because of what the

869
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Speaker 6: White House is doing. Like I saw on Twitter one day,

870
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Speaker 6: I don't even know it's the Associated Press back in

871
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Speaker 6: the White House briefing room. Yet are they still still.

872
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Speaker 2: Out like they were not in the the Zelensky Trump JD.

873
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Speaker 6: Vans Okay, so then you have people in there, of course.

874
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Speaker 6: So I saw somebody on Twitter that was saying that

875
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Speaker 6: the press should stand with the Associated Press and no

876
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Speaker 6: longer cover the White House. And to me, that's a

877
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: tough that's a tough one, you know. And I think

878
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 6: that there in lies the issue, Like if you look

879
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 6: at me, where I am a part of the media,

880
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 6: I'm on Seeing in which a lot of people don't like.

881
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 6: I see the comments sometimes when I post clips from

882
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Speaker 6: the show like we love you Roy, but I ain't

883
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Speaker 6: watching that network. I watch it on YouTube, seeing in

884
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 6: still getting the money from YouTube? Thank you?

885
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Right?

886
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 6: How do you fight while still trying to honor your

887
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 6: own mission? How do you fight for your colleagues while

888
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 6: still trying to honor the mission of serving the people

889
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 6: or enriching the people, or doing whatever it is you

890
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Speaker 6: believe it's the right thing to do to make the

891
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 6: world a better place. And I think that's the issue

892
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 6: that a lot of journalists are going to be up

893
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Speaker 6: against in their newsrooms. I really think that for what

894
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 6: happened to joy Read, I really think that there is

895
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 6: a greater dialogue to be had at the state and

896
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 6: local levels about all of the shit starters with a

897
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 6: pad and a pen who trying to find the truth.

898
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Speaker 6: Are you answering to an editor that answers to a

899
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Speaker 6: conglomerate that owns the paper that don't want that type

900
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Speaker 6: of stuff in there. Assuming that you're at a paper

901
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 6: that still has a local reporter, correct, because most of

902
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Speaker 6: those are gone.

903
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Speaker 1: Most of those are gone.

904
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Speaker 2: And I am firmly starting off as someone who started

905
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Speaker 2: off in newspapers, local newspapers. If you look at the

906
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Speaker 2: number of jobs that are lost in different industries, journalism

907
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Speaker 2: is among the highest, and a lot of it is

908
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Speaker 2: because of what has happened at the local level, and

909
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Speaker 2: not just with newspapers, but with also with TV. And

910
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Speaker 2: as I've said to people many times, especially those who

911
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Speaker 2: who kind of they hate the idea paying for a

912
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Speaker 2: subscription because everybody was.

913
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Speaker 1: Like, well, we used to get this for free, now

914
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Speaker 1: you gotta pay.

915
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Speaker 2: Well, that's because good journalism is actually expensive, very expensive.

916
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Speaker 2: It's why a lot of companies are getting out of

917
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Speaker 2: it because of what it costs. If they can get

918
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Speaker 2: the same amount of money by just having somebody on

919
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Speaker 2: their spouting and opinion, being it informed or not informed.

920
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Speaker 1: They're gonna do that because that costs money.

921
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Speaker 2: Like I think people would be stunned at how much

922
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Speaker 2: a show like sixty minutes costs it costs a ton

923
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Speaker 2: of money to do that show, and it's the same

924
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Speaker 2: at the local level.

925
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Speaker 1: Investigative journalism is hard. It requires a lot of money.

926
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Speaker 2: And when you don't support those those kinds of media outlets,

927
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Speaker 2: what happens is you don't know what's happening in your community.

928
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Speaker 2: You don't know who's mind in the store. And trust

929
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: me when I tell you, politicians, CEOs, all the people

930
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Speaker 2: in power love the idea of destroying journalism because there's.

931
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Speaker 1: So much you wouldn't know.

932
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Speaker 2: You know, even now with all that's happening with Doge,

933
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Speaker 2: the number of people I read in the comments who

934
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Speaker 2: are like, where are the journalists and why are they reporting?

935
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Speaker 1: Oh, I can tell you why they're not.

936
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Speaker 2: It's because, you say, people who now all of a

937
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Speaker 2: sudden want the journalists to come in with the kpone

938
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Speaker 2: are the same ones also calling us the enemy the state,

939
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Speaker 2: who are also saying that we don't deserve to have

940
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Speaker 2: our jobs.

941
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Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, no, no, no no, that's not the

942
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: way that this works. So you're right.

943
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Speaker 2: Is a very hard time in this business for journalists, period,

944
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: very hard time for black journalists, super hard time for

945
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: black journalists who have called out Trump before or who have.

946
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: Gotten in his crosshairs or that of this administration.

947
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Speaker 2: Period, because these companies have shown they're not gonna ride

948
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: with you. They're not They're gonna sacrifice you and put

949
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: you on the spital like anybody else.

950
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Speaker 6: I said at the Correspondence dinner two years ago that

951
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 6: the problem with the truth reaching people is that the

952
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 6: truth is behind a paywall, but opinions are free. Put

953
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 6: the opinions behind the paywall, and the first people to

954
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 6: suffer when these situations happen are reporters that cover black

955
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Speaker 6: and brown communities. We had a story we were trying

956
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: to do right before I left Daily Show where they

957
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: were doing ice raiates early. This is Biden ice ray,

958
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 6: this is just regular deportation stuff. Latinos, there were Latinos

959
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 6: in Atlanta had formed strategies against ice raids on how

960
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 6: to lay low. They had their own car pools. They

961
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 6: weren't going to the bus stop. They have their own

962
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 6: ecosystem on how to move in plane sight but in hiding.

963
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 6: So that's my guy to help me figure out how

964
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 6: to tell the story. At the state level, he got

965
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 6: laid off and so you know, they're not going to

966
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 6: talk to me because I'm from the Big Bad pairamount

967
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 6: and it's daily show, so it's weird. You don't know

968
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 6: if I'm making fun of you. So I needed that

969
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 6: reporter as the middle man vouch to even be able

970
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 6: to amplify the story. It's same thing with the Chicago

971
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Speaker 6: South Side stuff that we was doing. We was walking

972
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 6: the south Side talking with people who intervened on game

973
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Speaker 6: beats for volunteer, So it was a local reporter from

974
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Speaker 6: the Tribune that plug like, you're not getting that type

975
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 6: of access at the national level without a local vouch.

976
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 6: And so those people are important, but those are the

977
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 6: people covering those stories and telling those stories about us.

978
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 6: They're the first ones to get let go. And I

979
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 6: don't think that that's going to change. The thing that's frustrating, though,

980
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 6: is that for the one side we can go, a

981
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 6: conglomerate is not going to promote truth and journalism across

982
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 6: the board because they go, oh, well, that's not profitable,

983
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 6: or we're going to anger some people, either our shareholders

984
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 6: or some shareholder who doesn't agree with the story, investors,

985
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 6: or we're going to anger the White House. So we're

986
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 6: not going to cover that story. But then you have

987
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 6: media at the local level who have to have a

988
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 6: paywall to survive. But even with the paywall, it gives

989
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 6: you even fewer subscribers, which restrict your ability to do

990
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 6: your mission, which is to inform the people, and eventually

991
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 6: you die off anyway, or you have to keep cutting

992
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 6: costs to the point where you're just running wire stories.

993
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 6: So it's like on both ends of the sword. Money.

994
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 6: I believe it's part of the issue, but I just

995
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 6: I don't know if we'll ever be especially under Trump,

996
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 6: if we're ever gonna you're not gonna get subsidized no

997
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 6: journalism anymore.

998
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: No, It's it's that that is a did conversation for them.

999
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 6: Kids ain't getting lunch at school, They about to not

1000
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 6: get lunch free, lunch about to be gone, so they

1001
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 6: definitely not paying to have Like God bless PBS. I

1002
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 6: know they.

1003
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Speaker 2: I don't think the majority of their funding comes from

1004
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: the government. They do have a chunk and you see

1005
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: already they talking about defund PBS.

1006
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, Sesame Street.

1007
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: Can't live, Like what do we do make like it

1008
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: can't live? I mean it was already I think it

1009
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: was already on its last legs. As it was, but

1010
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: I want to get to some political stuff real quick.

1011
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: And for those who don't know, Roy's got a great show.

1012
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: Who knew that politics could be fun and not so traumatizing?

1013
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Thanks to I have, I got news.

1014
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Appreciate De Roy.

1015
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: You're one of the few political programs I could actually

1016
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: watch what I wanted to, you know, kind of slam

1017
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: my face into.

1018
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: A brick wall. But you know what I would love.

1019
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: I saw the episode after this, but just for this

1020
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: forum here, as you're watching this Donald Trump, you know,

1021
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: President Zelinsky from Ukraine and JD Van's meeting.

1022
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: As you're watching this, what is going through your mind?

1023
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: I need to know, Like I wish I could get

1024
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: the wood mental play by play that was happening as

1025
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: you are watching this shit show go down, uh in

1026
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 2: front of the American people.

1027
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 6: So for reference, Trump Zelensky went at it about noon,

1028
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 6: one o'clockish on Friday. We tape at six pm on Fridays.

1029
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 6: We were in the middle of rehearsal, and then after

1030
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 6: a rehearsal, they go Trump's a girl, trumpets Elynsky got

1031
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 6: into it and they was cussing each other out. We

1032
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 6: got to rewrite the whole top of the show. So

1033
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 6: you know, I duck off with the writers and just

1034
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 6: watching clips, just watching clips and were just reading body language.

1035
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 6: But you got it. Remember, like the giff and curse

1036
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 6: of what we do as CNN on Saturday nights is

1037
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 6: that my job is to just tell you what happened.

1038
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 6: For the people who haven't watched the show, it's a

1039
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 6: fake ass game show that quiz you on the news.

1040
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 6: That's it this week, this happened, Who said it, who

1041
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 6: did it, Who's respond that's it. It's just it's a

1042
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 6: speed read of the week that was the downside is

1043
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: that we really can't get into the weeds the way

1044
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 6: John Oliver did or the way Bill Maher did you

1045
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 6: know SNL had Elon jokes flying through. Elon wasn't even

1046
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 6: at the meat. So they can go to crazy town

1047
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 6: and be funny, but we just have to inform you.

1048
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 6: So it's just looking at what happened and then picking

1049
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 6: out the moments. Lensky made the eyebrow when Trump said

1050
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 6: he's respected. Jd Vance keep coming in like the little

1051
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 6: homie trying to get respect, acting like you know. Jd

1052
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 6: Vance was like talking to Zelenski like he was the

1053
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 6: one that's got the gun. You know, I mean, you

1054
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 6: know how you see like like two dudes yelling the

1055
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 6: dude and this one dude, yeah, and I'm clean. We

1056
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 6: know you don't have a gun. Stop it, stop it,

1057
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 6: you know like that that was fun to watch, But

1058
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 6: then in the back of your head you still like,

1059
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 6: damn this my star World War three dollars.

1060
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: This shit is I said by it's like America.

1061
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 2: This season of America would be great if I didn't

1062
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: actually live here. Like if I didn't actually live here,

1063
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: it would be great.

1064
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 6: I think part of the issue with war though, and

1065
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 6: I don't and I don't know quite how to fix this,

1066
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 6: but from a journalistic standpoint, I don't feel like we

1067
00:57:53,560 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 6: truly show people what war it looks like, Like like

1068
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 6: so I go down weird Reddit rabbit holes. All right,

1069
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 6: I've seen and I've always been weird like that, Like

1070
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 6: I just I can't explain it. But like when you

1071
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 6: see like can't sold your cell phone footage from Guantanamo

1072
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 6: or al Qaeda beheading or or like carnage and I

1073
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 6: rat and isis like videos like once you get into

1074
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 6: the house you bombed that they only show you on

1075
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 6: the wide shot in the country music video, and then

1076
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 6: you see footage from a soldier's go pro and you

1077
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 6: see what board does, and you see what bombs do.

1078
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 6: When you see what these weapons actually do to the

1079
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Speaker 6: human body, it's hard to be on board with anything

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00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 6: that could lead to more of that. And you know,

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00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 6: there's a reason why even with the footage in Gaza

1082
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 6: and Israel, they do it on a wide shot, they're

1083
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 6: painted real fast, just say, oh, yeah, it was a

1084
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 6: bun you just like, for the most part, we associate

1085
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 6: rubble with war. That's all they show you is just rubble.

1086
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 6: Pick a country and they just show you rubble, and

1087
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 6: that somehow makes it more politically digestible. But I think

1088
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 6: if regular everyday Americans saw what could potentially happen on it,

1089
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 6: Like if you ain't queasy at heart, motherfucker, go google

1090
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 6: drone bomb footage. Pick a country that like, and it's

1091
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 6: you know, it's really dark, though some of that shit

1092
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 6: still be funny. There was a video I know comedians

1093
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 6: are darker. There was a video of a Ukrainian drone

1094
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 6: above a Russian soldier and the drone itself is the bomb.

1095
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 6: Like you just fly down to Den't the right and

1096
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 6: the bomb is above him, and the Russian soldier looks

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00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 6: up at the drone and he knows a rap, He

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01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 6: know it's a rap. I fucker hold his hand up

1099
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 6: to the drone. My fucker pull out a new port

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01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 6: that took a drag and then nodded at the drone

1101
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 6: and that was that. Like, it's so odd to see

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 6: shit like that up close. The media, in the news

1103
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 6: media would be doing people, I think, a valuable service.

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Speaker 6: It's terrible, it's horrible. Bit if you show the carnage

1105
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 6: of war just a little bit more, I don't know

1106
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 6: how gung ho we be. And don't forget, in war,

1107
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 6: our troops die too. And so there is an element

1108
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 6: of this, the visual sanitization of human conflict that that

1109
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 6: has happened that I think has made us all far

1110
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 6: more content with war because it's all electronic and it's

1111
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 6: drones and it's in for reds. And then they show you,

1112
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 6: you know, here's a WAT shot of the bomb, and like, no,

1113
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 6: go take that camera on up in there, show it

1114
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 6: to people for real, because only time you get the

1115
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 6: real shit. Now it's a documentary. And then it wins

1116
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 6: an Oscar, it wins an Oscar because it's powerful, because

1117
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 6: you cannot ignore it. There was a there was one

1118
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 6: a few years ago called the White Helmets. That's a

1119
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 6: dope one that everybody should see. The White Helmets are

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Speaker 6: this group of people who want to building this bomb.

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 6: We are the ones who are first responding to pull

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: people out of the rubble. And there's and there's munitions

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 6: that still have not gone off that sometimes still go

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01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 6: off or they come back and bomb a place after

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 6: the fact. So you know, I think that how war

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 6: is covered could help to contribute to ending some wars.

1127
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 6: But that's also that's a tough thing to push on

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01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 6: somebody who's just watching the news. And then Family Feud

1129
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 6: is coming on right after. That's why they put them

1130
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 6: game shows on. I used to joke about that on stage.

1131
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 6: They put game shows on right after the evening news

1132
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 6: so you feel better. And then it goes right into

1133
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 6: sitcoms like the idea that you can know everything that's

1134
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 6: fucked up in the world and now we'll a fortune.

1135
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, what right, didn't we just bombed up? Yes

1136
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 6: we did, and now the whole new episode or the

1137
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 6: family Feud, Hey, y'all, you boss Steve Harvey hope you

1138
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 6: enjoyed that war coverage. It's tired to play the feud,

1139
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 6: you know, don't I don't know, but you know, again

1140
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 6: showing war with that level of truth. I don't know

1141
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 6: if that's good for business.

1142
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: Now we're in this in this political environment that can

1143
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: be you know, as we just talked about a little

1144
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: bit tenuous. You're in a different space for it because

1145
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,959
Speaker 2: you are a comedian, but you're a comedian that also

1146
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: tells the truth and is also very politically aware.

1147
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: What do you think was the key for you kind

1148
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: of finding where you fit in this moment?

1149
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 6: Mm hmm. I've just tried to be who I am.

1150
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 6: You know, there's a there's an Alabama, Alabama's first black millionaire,

1151
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 6: A G. Gaston. He huge philanthropists, was a supporter of

1152
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 6: the civil rights movement. He had he had a hotel

1153
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 6: in Birmingham, the Gaston Hotel, where most civil rights leaders

1154
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 6: stayed when they came to time because it was a

1155
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 6: safe like on some green book type ship like that

1156
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 6: was a safe place, and you know, and soldiers would

1157
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 6: line up black panthers or whatever to protect the spot

1158
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 6: and all of that. But he's always poured his money

1159
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 6: into the community and used his money to back people

1160
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 6: that were fighting. You know, he had a series of

1161
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 6: boys clubs and he had a quote. His quote was

1162
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 6: finding need and fill it. And that's just what I've

1163
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 6: lived by. Like they used to preach that to us

1164
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 6: when we was little kids at the boy at the

1165
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 6: ags and boys club and that's just stuck with me.

1166
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 6: And so for me, I've always just tried to use

1167
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 6: humor as a vehicle to to me, the perfect joke

1168
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 6: or the perfect message informs white people or non black people,

1169
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 6: informs white people to something they didn't know, and then

1170
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 6: it gets black people to go. That's what I've been

1171
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 6: trying to tell you. So my first three stand up

1172
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 6: specials were just race and politics and the country and

1173
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 6: all of that stuff. The one I just did for

1174
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 6: Hulu that was more about us on a human level.

1175
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 6: You know. I called it Lonely Flowers. That's what we are.

1176
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 6: We're all beautiful, we don't talk to each other, well,

1177
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 6: we don't come together no more. And so this idea

1178
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 6: of trying to use what we're going through as a

1179
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 6: people as a vehicle for humor. It's hard, but I

1180
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 6: enjoy it because there's also not a lot of people

1181
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 6: doing it like this. You know, when I first got

1182
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 6: to Daily Show and I got to like really give

1183
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 6: Trevor Noah a shout out for this, because you know,

1184
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 6: when I got to Daily Show, you know, I think

1185
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 6: the biggest difference between me and Trevor as black men

1186
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 6: is that I'm very angry as a person. I don't

1187
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 6: show it a lot like people don't like you know me,

1188
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 6: you ain't never seen me in a bad mood and

1189
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 6: nothing like that, but very angry about what's happening in

1190
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 6: this country and what's going on in this country. But

1191
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 6: I'm not a yeller. I'm not a fighter. That's not

1192
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 6: my strategy for me. It's humor. And if I can

1193
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 6: use humor, if I can make it funny, if I

1194
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 6: can make the point and make it funny, I feel

1195
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 6: like I'm as effective as anyone that chooses to be

1196
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 6: a sledgehampan. So my approach to any issue is first

1197
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 6: to figure out a way to find some sort of

1198
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 6: entry point that tricks you into paying attention to the

1199
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 6: actual punch that's coming behind it. So, you know, when

1200
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 6: I started a Daily Show, first piece we did was

1201
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 6: me and Jordan Clapper doing a ride along with the

1202
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 6: Madison Police Department. They just shot an unarmed black man

1203
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 6: four months prior. Let's see if there's some humor there.

1204
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 6: Y'all taking biased training. No, I want to take the trainer.

1205
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 6: Bring the cameras, Oh, twentieth anniversary million mare march. I

1206
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 6: want to go, Hey, traffic, can I go cools, take

1207
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 6: the cameras, see what's going on, and so to be

1208
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 6: able to try and find humor in these very you know,

1209
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 6: unfunny situations, especially unfunny situations for black people, like we

1210
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 6: was man, we was down in the far As a

1211
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 6: cop city in Atlanta. These folks out the dying and

1212
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 6: shootouts with the police, trying to keep them from building

1213
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 6: a police training facility that's ultimately going to flood black

1214
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 6: neighborhoods downstream state. The cameras and to me, I don't know,

1215
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 6: I take I take. I take pride in that because

1216
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 6: there's not a lot of people doing that this way

1217
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 6: in comedy or in journalism. I kind of sit on,

1218
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 6: you know, a weird a weird line. But I think

1219
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 6: I have a unique ability to reach and connect with

1220
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 6: people who wouldn't have necessarily seen the point I was

1221
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 6: trying to make coming and to me, that's an important

1222
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 6: part of whatever the hell it is we're supposed to

1223
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 6: be fighting for. I think one problem is that, you know,

1224
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 6: I think with the race talking Black Americans specifically, we're

1225
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 6: often quick to critique how other people choose to approach

1226
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 6: this fight, as if they're not in the fight. That

1227
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 6: shit I don't like, but it's nothing I can do

1228
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 6: about it either. It's like it's like when so I

1229
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 6: did a ride along with Compton Fire during the LA wildfires,

1230
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 6: Compton the LA County Fire Department, Engine sixteen, and Compton,

1231
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 6: they're having to cover twice as much space. They have

1232
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 6: to cover twice as much area because all of the

1233
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 6: other firefighters is up the hill fighting the big shit, right,

1234
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 6: and so there's still regular emergencies happening. Still car crashes, still,

1235
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 6: regular house fires, Still car you know, still my fucking

1236
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 6: drove into the river. Gotta go get them. At no

1237
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 6: point do the people up the hill. Do the firefighters

1238
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 6: come up the hill, come down the hill, and that's

1239
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 6: the other firefighters, what have they been doing? And say

1240
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 6: that they're not doing enough? And I think that sometimes

1241
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 6: when you look at it's easy to look at black

1242
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 6: people who aren't necessarily in the same part of the

1243
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 6: battlefield as you and assume that they aren't fighting. And

1244
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 6: I think that's that's a big it's a big misunderstanding

1245
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 6: to me. With an I race, it doesn't stop me

1246
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 6: from my approach. My approach is my approach, Like that's

1247
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 6: what I do. I think that's what makes us special.

1248
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 6: I think it's it's no different than bees. You watch

1249
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 6: the honey, you go get the pollen. You niggas fight

1250
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 6: the hornets if they come over here, trip and do

1251
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 6: your job, and so like, that's to me, what's beautiful

1252
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 6: about us is that at the end of the day,

1253
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 6: it's still all about just better in our race and

1254
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 6: better in the country as a whole. If black folk's good,

1255
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 6: America good. I wish more people understand that.

1256
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: What made you Because Lonely Flowers is funny, but it's

1257
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: also very thoughtful. I mean a lot of your comedy is,

1258
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: but this especially because I think you know, when we

1259
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 2: look back on even if we were able to look

1260
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: back on it now within not being that long ago,

1261
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: but when we look back on behaviorally, how much COVID

1262
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: changed us and how it made us even more isolated,

1263
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: made us more even more tribal maybe to some degree.

1264
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: It is really something that I think, you know, psychologically,

1265
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 2: we will understand a major mood shift in this country.

1266
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: What made you decide even though you did tell a

1267
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: story that kind of felt like it was what ignited this,

1268
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: But you know, nevertheless, given the type of comomity, do

1269
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: this to me was still a bit of a departure.

1270
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: What made you decide that you were going to focus.

1271
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: Something that was funny but around the themes of us

1272
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: being more isolated, us being more lonely, us creating more

1273
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: space from one another.

1274
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're disconnected, and we're happy to be disconnected. Like

1275
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 6: would rather not Like I joked about it in a

1276
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 6: special like you don't want nobody calling you about the

1277
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 6: blue You used to look forward. You used to look

1278
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 6: forward to unknown numbers. Who could it be? I built

1279
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 6: my whole prank call career.

1280
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: Oh can you imagine you to start that now? Ry

1281
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: like somebody ever pick up the phone?

1282
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 6: Impossible, There's no way you could do prank calls now.

1283
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 6: Nobody cared to answer the phone. So I had at

1284
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 6: a partner from college, and we if you would have

1285
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 6: asked me in college, I would have figured to be

1286
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 6: his best man at his wedding and he got engaged

1287
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 6: and I didn't even get an invite, and so I'm

1288
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 6: mad enough to say that hurt so so I called

1289
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 6: him up and we talk about it for a minute,

1290
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 6: and basically what it boiled down to was You're never around.

1291
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 6: You never have time anytime. Even when you come down

1292
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 6: this way for a show, you don't even have time

1293
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 6: for a drink after the show. You don't have like

1294
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 6: basically going There have been so many times where I've

1295
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 6: tried to connect with you that you rebuffed or just whatever,

1296
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 6: whatever the situation was. The answer ended up being no,

1297
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 6: that I just don't figure you to even want to

1298
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 6: be a part of anything. And it was such a

1299
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 6: fair assessment of where I was, and you know, the

1300
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 6: way I've been carrying myself that I don't know. I

1301
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 6: had to do a little bit more self inventory about

1302
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 6: being intentional because I did, like, no, I can care

1303
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 6: about you like this is like you want people supposed

1304
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 6: to be carrying a casket when I die. I got

1305
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 6: you down. I put you on the casket carried list,

1306
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 6: and like, I need to work on this relationship. So

1307
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 6: you look at I looked at that, and it just

1308
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 6: forced me to take a long look at myself, and

1309
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 6: then it's just like, oh wow, we're all disconnected. Don't

1310
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 6: nobody want to talk to nobody? Like we're just literally

1311
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 6: looking for comfort, like even like even when you think

1312
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 6: about like dating, right, and the idea that like you

1313
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 6: correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember seeing this

1314
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 6: many single women with dogs and cats, like in my twenties,

1315
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 6: the forty year olds, I know, they didn't have the dogs.

1316
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 6: They didn't have no like the idea of pouring love

1317
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 6: into something like that's it gives you a sense of worth,

1318
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 6: It gives you a sense of purpose. This weird shit

1319
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 6: about being Polly or like Neo's four girlfriends, all right,

1320
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 6: is it weird? Or just did all five of them

1321
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 6: just go Hey, this feels good, so fuck it, let's

1322
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 6: do it. That wasn't the norm a generation to go

1323
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 6: two generations ago. So I'm less inclined to knock people

1324
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 6: that behave like that, because at least they're trying to

1325
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 6: find some form of connection and polyamory. Like the idea

1326
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 6: that you're supposed to get everything emotionally and physically from

1327
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 6: one person. Maybe that's not completely true. And your grandparents

1328
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 6: get the best they could, because that was the options

1329
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 6: back then. Your granddaddy didn't have black people meet to

1330
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 6: go sneak off and find Yeah, I mean just case

1331
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 6: in point, like your granddaddy had a family around the corner.

1332
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 6: Nowadays that family is in another country. That's what technology

1333
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 6: has done. Like, I just think that it became easy

1334
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 6: to have food delivered to your house. And the fact

1335
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 6: that even something as simple as like that's why I

1336
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 6: like nobody, Like I don't think most men will admit it,

1337
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 6: but like you ever see like these videos for like

1338
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 6: man camps and come to be your man? Oh, there's

1339
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,560
Speaker 6: like I forget what it's called, but it's like a

1340
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 6: bunch of men in the forties and fifties doing UFC

1341
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 6: shit in the forest and punching and hugging and forcing

1342
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 6: themselves through task and then they hug and cry it

1343
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 6: out afterwards. It's because you lonely, but you never had

1344
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 6: a hug, You never had a real connection, and as

1345
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 6: a man, nobody probably ever checked on you. Because you're

1346
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 6: the man. You got to provide and finally you in

1347
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 6: a space where a bunch of people understood you. As

1348
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 6: weird as it is, I get because it's just people

1349
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 6: seeking community. Now, some of the people that run them

1350
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 6: camps little January sixth vibbish. But I understand why men

1351
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 6: would even pay two hundred dollars to cry in the

1352
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 6: forest with a bunch of dudes and flip dump truck

1353
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 6: tires up and down a hill because you need connection.

1354
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 6: And I don't know, I just felt like, oh, this

1355
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 6: might be funny because when you look at the retail

1356
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 6: experience and that was forced social interaction, you know, like

1357
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 6: I don't even think it made it into the special

1358
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,879
Speaker 6: but like jokingly, the only two places where it feels

1359
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 6: okay to talk to a stranger is a sporting event

1360
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 6: and a protest, and that's because you there rooting for

1361
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 6: a team.

1362
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I could not disagree or I could not

1363
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: agree with you more, especially when you talked about these

1364
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: self checkout.

1365
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: I hate self checkout on the level that is this.

1366
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: It's it's probably frightening because.

1367
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I work here, Like if I what is

1368
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: the point of be coming to the grocery store if

1369
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: I got a bag my own ship, It's just like,

1370
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: why did I do this?

1371
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I came so someone else could back and

1372
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: check me out.

1373
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 6: And you do it wrong. That's why I'm glad they're

1374
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,879
Speaker 6: stealing steal all that ship so they can bring back cashiers.

1375
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: Good said, And I like you. I did.

1376
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 2: The grocery store I go to most frequently. I have

1377
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: my three favorite cashiers. I always go.

1378
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 6: That's old schoolers. Hell, nobody has that anymore.

1379
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I have three, Like I love each of them.

1380
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: Like we chit chat about sports by whatever. Like you know,

1381
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: it's just like a quick, little little interaction. You get

1382
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: to hear a different voice than your own, or in

1383
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 2: my case, the different voice than me and my husband's own,

1384
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: Like you know, just it's just like a little.

1385
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: A little interaction.

1386
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed that sort of cheers kind of feel

1387
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: where everybody knows your name type of thing. So so

1388
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: I hear you about that.

1389
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 6: I'm at the age now, Jamail. I don't even get

1390
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 6: mad if somebody next to me talk to me on the.

1391
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: Plane, what okay, see now you're going too far? Maybe

1392
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: you need a dog.

1393
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 6: That's where your I don't. I don't mind it. I

1394
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 6: don't If they don't recognize me, I don't tell them

1395
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 6: I do entertainment. I tell him I do. I install

1396
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 6: home security systems because there's no follow up questions.

1397
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 2: But no more follow up questions because they're not like,

1398
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 2: oh hey, what do you think about?

1399
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: You know, how should I do my home?

1400
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 6: If I want to prevent like really it's crazy out

1401
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 6: there man, you know. But what you gotta get. You

1402
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 6: can't just get the motion detection camera. She got to

1403
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 6: hide one and get like I will just go on

1404
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 6: and on, like I'll just pull dialogue. Oh I don't

1405
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 6: want to. I tell you, I'm go down these reddit

1406
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 6: rabbit holes. When you get to the hotel rooms, turn

1407
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 6: the clocks to the walls. You gotta double check the phones.

1408
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 6: There's a little stud finder thing and you can check

1409
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 6: for signals and the walls and that. Like in one

1410
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 6: you start talking like that, people leave you alone.

1411
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1412
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 6: You gotta like be really crazy.

1413
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: Before I get you out of here.

1414
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: Since you're the you are the king of being able

1415
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,839
Speaker 2: to answer sort of random questions.

1416
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: This is a question I've been dying to ask you.

1417
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 2: Okay, if we had like a UFC type fight between

1418
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: an employee from Spirit Airlines and an employee from waffle House,

1419
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 2: who will ins.

1420
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 6: And why waffle House off reps alone? Spirit waffle House?

1421
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: They get they get some.

1422
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think the thing we have to remember

1423
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 6: is that most of the time with the Spirit videos,

1424
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 6: it's the passengers fighting, whereas you don't really see the

1425
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 6: flight attendants from Spirit jump in all the time. Where's

1426
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 6: a waffle house that cook is gonna be right there

1427
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 6: in the middle of it. You saw that girl catch

1428
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 6: that chair, Like damn avenger through that chair that she

1429
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 6: caught it? Like, what you're gonna do with that? Besides me, mad,

1430
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 6: I think if we go in customer for customer, though,

1431
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 6: I think a more fair matchup is Spirit customer versus

1432
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 6: waffle house customers.

1433
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: Oh who you got a.

1434
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 6: I think the Spirit person wins only because when you're traveling,

1435
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,919
Speaker 6: you're already angry, so that's like steroids like when you angry,

1436
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 6: like when you're dealing with the anger of travel and

1437
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 6: then somebody piss you off. Because you also got to

1438
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 6: remember like waffle house fights. If you have a bid

1439
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 6: at a waffe house, when I fight start, they start

1440
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 6: real fast, like the customers already come in irate, and

1441
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 6: then it just jump off Spirit. You've been fucked with.

1442
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 6: In the parking lot, they charge you for luggage. Then

1443
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 6: you go through TSA and taking your shoes off, you

1444
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 6: can pull it to the side secondary search. Then you

1445
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 6: get to the gate and then you find out you

1446
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 6: got to pay an extra thirty dollars for this carry

1447
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 6: on bag and you didn't know that. Then you find

1448
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 6: out the bag don't fit. Now you got to pay

1449
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 6: another thirty dollars to check the bag under the plane.

1450
01:20:58,320 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 6: Then they telling you you don't have it a sign,

1451
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 6: and then somebody come up to you talking crazy. You're

1452
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 6: already charged up, like it's like this is a terrible

1453
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 6: analogy because it wasn't the best villain, but it's Jamie

1454
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 6: Fox and that spider Man electro where you're just getting

1455
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,520
Speaker 6: charged up, and then the more you hold the electricity,

1456
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 6: the stronger you get. That's a spirit Airlines customer. By

1457
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 6: the time you find a spirited Airlines customer who's ready

1458
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 6: to fight, they have gone through so many gauntlets of

1459
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 6: bullshit to get to that point. They have super strength

1460
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 6: that I believe would supersede whatever alcohol is in the

1461
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 6: bloodstream of a waffle house employee or a waffle house customer.

1462
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: That is very that's very a student analysis. I think

1463
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: you're right.

1464
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 6: Anger beats Tennessee every time travel anger.

1465
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: You need to put that on a T shirt.

1466
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 2: Travel Anger beats Tennessee everything you need to put that

1467
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 2: on a T shirt.

1468
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: That's all you, all right? And finally, boy, last question.

1469
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: Every guest that appears on politics, I asked you what

1470
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: I call a messy question, the question designed to get

1471
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: you in trouble to say some shit that will hopefully

1472
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 2: be a headline. So here is my Bessie question for you.

1473
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 2: All Right, you stayed in Memphis until you were in

1474
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 2: third grade. I know you've been in Memphis many times.

1475
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 2: You've been around the country many times. You grew up

1476
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 2: in the Ham aka Birmingham. Ye on your reputation, on

1477
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: your relatives alive and dead. Who has the better barbecue

1478
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 2: is in Memphis or Alabama?

1479
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 6: Why are you going to do? This?

1480
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: Is designed for this, Go ahead and say it with

1481
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,520
Speaker 2: your chest.

1482
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry what you say. Hey, you wished that a

1483
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: little bit louder, because I think the people is Memphis.

1484
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: Memphis is with you said, huh okaymph.

1485
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: Memphis City. What in the name of mephis is happening

1486
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: right now?

1487
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 6: Memphis got legacy of Birmingham. Birmingham coming up. Birmingham is

1488
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 6: like I'm trying to think Birmingham is like the Buffalo Bills,

1489
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 6: like we're finally good again and we competitive, but we

1490
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:26,520
Speaker 6: got a good team, but we ain't legacy like Memphis, Memphis.

1491
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: Memphis been y'all, Patrick Mahomes your whole your whole life.

1492
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 6: You know, like this will be an article in the

1493
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 6: Birmingham News in like two weeks. And then when I

1494
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 6: go to fundraise and raise money for the local Yeah.

1495
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: They're not gonna they taking all the pictures of you

1496
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,879
Speaker 2: and your high school now right now, just because you

1497
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: you have to answer it that way.

1498
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: Well, Roy, I woant to thank you so much for

1499
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: joining me.

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01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: You are again a bright light and exceptionally dark time,

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Speaker 2: your comedy, your humor, your observations. For those who haven't

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Speaker 2: seen it, please watch Lonely Flowers.

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Speaker 1: It's great. It's and also if.

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Speaker 2: You want a very serious, informed take on the news,

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: but also you will get some laughs, make sure you

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Speaker 2: watch a Roy show. Have I got news for you

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Speaker 2: on seeing it with Amber the Great Amber Ruffins, Jasmine

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Speaker 2: Crocket on there recently hilarious.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she went in on Elon and we stream on

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Speaker 6: Max too, so y'all can play catch up over on Max.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, it's a. It's a great show. So yes,

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Speaker 2: y'all make sure that y'all check that out. And Roy,

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Speaker 2: you take care. Are you on the road anytime soon?

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Speaker 6: No, not really. I had a couple of dates, but

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Speaker 6: I don't I ain't even put them on the website yet.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Honolulu in June at the Blue Note, So

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Speaker 6: go there and figure that out. Whatever the website say,

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Speaker 6: that's what the ship is.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is, that's what it would be. All right, Roy,

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Speaker 1: take care. Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I'm a marketing genius.

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Speaker 3: Look at you.

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Speaker 1: That's on some website subcity somewhere. I'm good.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you so much. And next time I'm in

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Speaker 2: New York, I will make sure that I hit you

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01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: up to see what you please do please, And at

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Speaker 2: the very least, I'd love to come by and watch

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01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,440
Speaker 2: your taping because it's very funny.

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Speaker 6: And come by. You need to be on. I'll talk

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Speaker 6: to that.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know that because I would love to

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01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: be because you know, I got jokes. People don't know

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Speaker 1: that you.

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Speaker 6: Do else I can be very funny.

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Speaker 1: All right, take care.

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Speaker 2: One more segment to go, and you guys know what

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01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 2: that means I got questions to answer up next your

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01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: viewer slash listener questions, and I have plenty of answers

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Speaker 2: coming up next on the final segment of Spolatives. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't intend to turn this final segment into an

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Speaker 2: obituary page, but unfortunately, this is another week where another

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Speaker 2: significant sports.

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01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: Figure has passed on.

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Speaker 2: Last week it was former NBA player Junior and Bridgeman.

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Speaker 2: This week it was George Foreman, who died at seventy

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Speaker 2: six years old. Now, I'd say a pretty high percentage

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Speaker 2: of people only know George Foreman for his grills, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, became a massive cultural success.

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Speaker 1: That i'd say gave Foreman one of.

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Speaker 2: The most successful postscripts to an athletic career in history.

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Speaker 2: But before his name became synonymous with one of the

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Speaker 2: best kitchen appliances ever.

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Speaker 1: I'd say it's top five and not five.

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Speaker 2: George Foreman was known as one of the hardest hitting

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Speaker 2: boxers of all time, but it was Foreman's loss to

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Speaker 2: Muhammad Ali in the historic nineteen seventy four Rumble in

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Speaker 2: the Jungle that really changed the course of Foreman's life.

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01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 2: The fight took place in what is now known as

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Speaker 2: the Republic of Congo, marking the first time a heavyweight

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Speaker 2: fight was ever held on African soil. It was where

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Speaker 2: Ali regained his heavyweight title after he was stripped of

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Speaker 2: the honor for his refusal to be drafted into the

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Speaker 2: US Armed Forces.

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Speaker 1: Now, at the time.

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Speaker 2: Of Rumble in the Jungle, Foreman was undefeated and he

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Speaker 2: was known as a major meaty, a real badass. But

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Speaker 2: that loss to Ali was sort of life changing for

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Speaker 2: Forman because it made him reinvent himself and at the

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Speaker 2: startling age of forty five, in nineteen ninety four, Foreman

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Speaker 2: became the oldest fighter to ever win the heavyweight title.

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Speaker 2: Foreman fought his last fight in nineteen ninety seven, finishing

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Speaker 2: his career with a seventy six and five record. But

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Speaker 2: three years before Foreman called it quits in the ring,

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Speaker 2: he did something that also changed his life as much

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Speaker 2: as boxing did, if not more. It was in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety four that he launched the George Foreman Grill. He

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Speaker 2: went into a partnership with the grills creator, and Foreman

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Speaker 2: reportedly made and estimated half a billion dollars from those grills.

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Speaker 2: At one point he was making five million a month

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Speaker 2: and I won't front. I still use mine to this

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01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 2: day anyway. George Foreman will be remembered as one of

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Speaker 2: the great ones. And I don't mean just in boxing.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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