Speaker 1: Politicians on my son and I'm to make a d.
Speaker 1: Mallory and this is the place where the streets and
Speaker 1: politics meet. We're so excited about our new partnership. Street
Speaker 1: Politicians is going to have a larger, a bigger, bigger,
Speaker 1: bigger platform, huge platform, and that's gonna be through our
Speaker 1: great friendship and partnership with Charlemagne the God. We're so
Speaker 1: proud of him and his new venture with I Heart Media,
Speaker 1: the Black Effect Podcast Network. I gotta say it right,
Speaker 1: The Black Effect Podcast networks a lot of words, but
Speaker 1: it's it says all the things, all the things. It's
Speaker 1: black people talking about black issues. Um, and it's through
Speaker 1: a black person who's committed to social justice, committed to
Speaker 1: black culture. And we are too excited to be able
Speaker 1: to have our podcasts have some distribution. Is that's what
Speaker 1: he says. It's blackety black, andy black. So that's the
Speaker 1: new thing that folks need to know about Street Politicians.
Speaker 1: And we're working on making sure that our podcast is
Speaker 1: enjoyable for all of you. We won't just be talking
Speaker 1: about politics. I know a lot of people think that, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just all we do all day long
Speaker 1: is get up, go to sleep doing politics politics, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why we called it Street Politicians, so that
Speaker 1: we could talk about things that's going on just on
Speaker 1: the streets in the world. This week, we got a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. Our organization Until Freedom is
Speaker 1: very very busy, and my son has been running around.
Speaker 1: You've been out in the street with Traded Truth, acting
Speaker 1: like y'all the artists or something, doing some type of album.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, I wrapped my ass. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: first form. You do that sometimes, but you've been running
Speaker 1: around all day at night acting like y'all putting something
Speaker 1: and again, but shout out to my boy trade too.
Speaker 1: We literally just got the phone. We're putting together this
Speaker 1: album called If You're Scared Stay Inside. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of the best albums of this ship because it's
Speaker 1: it's our perspective, like being on the front lines of
Speaker 1: this movement and also being from the hood and having
Speaker 1: merged in that perspective. So we put together a soundtrack
Speaker 1: to the movement, like the soundtrack to the front line
Speaker 1: of the movie. Yeah, why does it so? Why does
Speaker 1: it have to be so hard? Like, first of all,
Speaker 1: you know, I talk big stuff sometimes, so I'm always
Speaker 1: in trouble because my mouth, you know, so I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't agree. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that there are some people who may say, why does
Speaker 1: it have to be like if you're scared, stay at
Speaker 1: home instead of it being more inviting and friendly for people.
Speaker 1: But it's usually more than likely it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: scared person to ask you that question. Because if you're
Speaker 1: not scared, then you get why I have to say
Speaker 1: that because a lot of people are scared. So it's
Speaker 1: few of us that orange scared scared of what this
Speaker 1: period to be outside, to be on the front line,
Speaker 1: to utilize your voice, to sacrifice, you know. So this
Speaker 1: is what it is, and this is who we are.
Speaker 1: We are alpha males who staying on the front line
Speaker 1: besides our black sisters, you know, protecting our black sisters,
Speaker 1: will in the sacrifice for our black sisters. So this
Speaker 1: is the perspective that we come from. So just like
Speaker 1: in the movement, it's not like if you're scared of
Speaker 1: not because we've evolved past that. We have. If we
Speaker 1: bolt past it, now we we with it. If we're
Speaker 1: not gonna be oppressed, we're not gonna let you beat
Speaker 1: us up. We ain't gonna let you harm us, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But we we don't advocate for
Speaker 1: that type of life style. Now we just will wonder.
Speaker 1: We're willing to meet you where you are. Understand that
Speaker 1: the evolution stay inside the evolution of a street hood. Dude,
Speaker 1: you know, we're willing to meet you where you are.
Speaker 1: We don't advocate for anybody, right, but we definitely running
Speaker 1: for me. Well, we talked about you guys being out
Speaker 1: here day and night acting y'all put until until I
Speaker 1: hear it, y'all are acting like y'all doing something and
Speaker 1: just using it as a reason for you in Trade
Speaker 1: to be in Kentucky moving around meeting people, and y'all going,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're actually reported this count in
Speaker 1: two days you did, you did, but now you're doing video.
Speaker 1: So this is the new thing. So when we're working
Speaker 1: at the table, you in trade somewhere right in and
Speaker 1: talking and everybody got a job to do. That's what
Speaker 1: you've said. So we're still in Kentucky, Still in Kentucky.
Speaker 1: It's been two months, two whole months. It's rough. It's
Speaker 1: a lot. You left your children, missed my kids. My
Speaker 1: son's had a sacking game, and today they both score goals,
Speaker 1: so I owe them gifts. You know, kissing was only
Speaker 1: to him. I need to buy him a puppy. Puppy, Lord,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying him because the puppy turns into a
Speaker 1: whole another life that I got to Yeah, he ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do that. He's gonna pick it up and then
Speaker 1: want to start crapping all over the place. He's gonna
Speaker 1: come and get me to do it when his home,
Speaker 1: we're gonna come. I'm not coming. I told he could get.
Speaker 1: He wants something else for his rodblots game, but I
Speaker 1: ain't doing nothing for them. But it's it's difficult because
Speaker 1: it's like, on one hand, we obviously UM made a
Speaker 1: decision that I think was best for not just our organization,
Speaker 1: but also just like the stress of taking planes back
Speaker 1: and forth trying to get to Kentucky to stand with
Speaker 1: Brianna's family would have been very taxing UM. And so
Speaker 1: it's like you always give up something like you went
Speaker 1: on one side and you give up on the other.
Speaker 1: Because we gave up the comfort of our homes, our
Speaker 1: families and and all of those things and the things
Speaker 1: that were used to, you know, our cars and all
Speaker 1: of that, to move in together with other folks and
Speaker 1: trying to like figure out every day how not to
Speaker 1: kill each other in one space, which we haven't done bad.
Speaker 1: We've been all right, because I think it's because our
Speaker 1: house is segmented and you can go to your little
Speaker 1: go to your space. I go to mind, which we
Speaker 1: often have to do. Especially when he was having our
Speaker 1: big debate last night about loving relationships. You just walked
Speaker 1: out on us and said you wasn't gonna be involved
Speaker 1: in that conversation because I don't. I don't really agree
Speaker 1: nothing we said at all. Right, okay, so it is
Speaker 1: what it is. You know, Tippy Pop doesn't agree with you.
Speaker 1: I thought that out yesterday. Okay, shout out to Tip
Speaker 1: that's always agrees she does not. So she just was
Speaker 1: telling the truth. Semika tells the truth. My son makes
Speaker 1: up theory and to be like, so we went, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what you don't even finish you like, well, if
Speaker 1: she said it the reason why I happened, and you'll
Speaker 1: be starting like the reason why I listen, that's right,
Speaker 1: and then you may finished what she said before you agree. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she would have to finish what you're saying for somebody
Speaker 1: to agree with you. Tippic was like, that's right, what
Speaker 1: she's saying right now, Ye, right there. Don't even finish
Speaker 1: the words you left. And so that's one of the
Speaker 1: ways that we've been able to get through it. But
Speaker 1: it has been difficult to be away from our loved ones,
Speaker 1: to and to and to be here in Kentucky. But
Speaker 1: then being in Kentucky gave us the ability to be
Speaker 1: able to get up and at the drop of the dime,
Speaker 1: be in with the local community, be here for important moments,
Speaker 1: planning organized. So many people have flown in to be
Speaker 1: a part of our efforts, whether it be her Roland
Speaker 1: who works with the NBA and some NFL players, whether
Speaker 1: it be Kenny Stills, Tory Russell, who else, everybody don't
Speaker 1: want to Tiffany Lofton from the n double A CP,
Speaker 1: Leslie Redman from the n Double A c p uh
Speaker 1: Dwana Tom, I mean, we just everybody, Stephen Green, who
Speaker 1: is our main man, and it's just been and it's
Speaker 1: so or traded truth. They've been able to fly in
Speaker 1: and stay here to be like implants if you will.
Speaker 1: In Louisville, to help with this fight to keep things going,
Speaker 1: to stand with the local community. And so, um, I
Speaker 1: guess you know, you give up some, you win some,
Speaker 1: you lose some, or I don't want to say lose,
Speaker 1: because we never lose our loved ones. But we definitely
Speaker 1: have made that sacrifice. And so now, um, while we're here,
Speaker 1: what we decided. I think the first month, we thought
Speaker 1: we would definitely be here from August and September and
Speaker 1: we would probably go home, and then we continue to
Speaker 1: stay because we realized that Brianna Taylor is not just
Speaker 1: a woman who was killed. I say that all the time.
Speaker 1: She wasn't just killed. She was a person who had
Speaker 1: a very full life. And the things that she cared
Speaker 1: about in her life are things that matter to the
Speaker 1: community that she left behind. So now we find ourselves
Speaker 1: in a situation where we're actually building with the community,
Speaker 1: working on our capacity building campaign, helping some of the
Speaker 1: local organizations to grow into train and to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to move forward. In light of the fact that
Speaker 1: this major tragedy has happened in the community and things
Speaker 1: have changed. It's not the same here. Um. So so
Speaker 1: I hurried from so many and we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: to activists and others. Um you know, as time goes
Speaker 1: on as a part of this series that we're doing
Speaker 1: on Brianna Taylor, we'll be talking to a bunch of
Speaker 1: folks that have been involved in the case, but now
Speaker 1: we're on the ground in a different way. And then
Speaker 1: we hooked up with us a state representative, Attica Scott,
Speaker 1: who we also will be talking to on Brianna's law,
Speaker 1: which will ban no knock warrants. It was done in Louisville,
Speaker 1: which we know Katura Herron from a c l U
Speaker 1: and Hannah Drake and others were able to get no
Speaker 1: knock warrants banned in Louisville, but not in the state
Speaker 1: of Kentucky and then their states all over the country
Speaker 1: that still have the policy where police officers can use
Speaker 1: a no knock warrant, and so we want to make
Speaker 1: sure that that is banned, and therefore we support Brianna's law.
Speaker 1: That's the goal, you know, Like you said, we realized
Speaker 1: when we came here that although Brihanna was a major
Speaker 1: issue and a major problem that we needed to focus on,
Speaker 1: that it was so much more and that Brihanna, you know,
Speaker 1: life meant so much more, and it created not only
Speaker 1: just a conversation, but it created a movement that was
Speaker 1: that was going to spark the world, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's what we realized. And we realized that we had
Speaker 1: to utilize our voice, we had to utilize our platforms,
Speaker 1: we had to utilize all our resources to put them
Speaker 1: here in Louisville, because right now this is ground zero
Speaker 1: for the movement. What's happening here is going to shape
Speaker 1: the next twenty to thirty years about of our lives. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we realized that we had an important part
Speaker 1: to playing that. You know, we had to be here
Speaker 1: for the family of Brianna Taylor. We had to be
Speaker 1: here for just the city of Louisville, because when we
Speaker 1: got here, it wasn't just us working. It became family.
Speaker 1: It became like we actually we actually live in Koku
Speaker 1: for a minute, took up residency temporary residency, um and
Speaker 1: and I think you know, now as it's sort of
Speaker 1: it's sort of winding down because we've got to hit
Speaker 1: the road, which you know, obviously our GOOTV efforts will
Speaker 1: take us around the country. And as we begin the
Speaker 1: process of moving out of Kentucky, it's sort of like
Speaker 1: a bit of sweet feeling because now we've become one
Speaker 1: with people who, um, these are some passionate and very
Speaker 1: courageous individuals to see people hold down Brianna's name in
Speaker 1: the way that she did. That they have and the
Speaker 1: whole down an actual place in the middle of the
Speaker 1: city apart, whether it's Injustice Square apart. It's over a
Speaker 1: hundred years, I mean hundred over a hundred days. That's powerful.
Speaker 1: Like really, it's now two hundred days I think since
Speaker 1: Brianna was killed. Um, and and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: people have been out there protesting since then, and a
Speaker 1: lot of young people. And so it's a bit of
Speaker 1: sweet feeling. But we'll be back. We're not going anywhere,
Speaker 1: and we are going to start this GOOTV tour, which
Speaker 1: also includes Kentucky because there is a major Senate race
Speaker 1: happening in Kentucky, major Senate Senate. Everybody down exactly. Everybody
Speaker 1: likes to talk with me, not Trump and Biden. I
Speaker 1: don't like either one of them. But then when it
Speaker 1: comes to showing up at the polls, you're not just
Speaker 1: going there to vote for the top of the ticket.
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's a down ballot issue, and if
Speaker 1: you want to know who's actually in charge of the policies,
Speaker 1: it's not so much the president that we need to
Speaker 1: be focused on, although we do need to vote in
Speaker 1: this election like we've never voted before. However, we need
Speaker 1: to be focusing on down ballot elections, vocal elections. And
Speaker 1: one of the people that is running is the person who,
Speaker 1: in my judgment, is one of the puppet masters behind
Speaker 1: the scenes for everything that we see happening, all the
Speaker 1: craziness and outrageousness of this administration, and that is Senator
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell mconnell. Mitch McConnell, and Mitch mcconchell is no,
Speaker 1: and Mitch McConnell is up against uh Is. He's actually
Speaker 1: up for reelection. So in this particular election cycle, the
Speaker 1: people of Kentucky have the right to decide whether he
Speaker 1: goes back or not to Washington. And there's a woman
Speaker 1: her named Amy McGrath who is running against him. We
Speaker 1: are not telling people who would vote for, but what
Speaker 1: we are saying is that if you want to see
Speaker 1: a change, you have to actually do something about it.
Speaker 1: So you gotta show up at the polls and for
Speaker 1: Our tour will be everywhere from Alabama to Georgia to Florida,
Speaker 1: to Michigan to Pennsylvania. We're gonna be all across the state.
Speaker 1: But on the thirteenth of this month, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: going along with Brianna Taylor Foundation, the Brianna Taylor Foundation.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about the family getting this foundation off
Speaker 1: the ground, um and we're going to be with them
Speaker 1: and the UH the Louisville Urban League, which is led
Speaker 1: by our crazy dear friend Sadiqa Reynolds. We gotta have
Speaker 1: SAD and we're going to be out taking people to
Speaker 1: the polls to make sure that they get there, that
Speaker 1: they're able to vote and do what they need to do.
Speaker 1: So that's those things are good. Like you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta actually be not just a protester, but you gotta
Speaker 1: be a policymaker. Listen, we gotta turn protests into policy.
Speaker 1: That's how I go. A lot of people say, what
Speaker 1: are you protesting? Why are you a margin, Because that's
Speaker 1: how you identify the allies. That's how you see who's
Speaker 1: on the same page you are. That's how you create unity.
Speaker 1: That's how you say we want this, and then you
Speaker 1: can take that protest and then you turn it into policy.
Speaker 1: There is a strategy. Don't question our strategy from your couch.
Speaker 1: Don't arm cheer question I was strategy. Don't sit in
Speaker 1: your house in question I was strategy because we know
Speaker 1: what they'll say. They want to be able to question it,
Speaker 1: but but don't. But you can't said, stop being critics
Speaker 1: without credentials. We don't really want to hear you. If
Speaker 1: you're not doing nothing. Don't tell me how to do something.
Speaker 1: You can't do nothing and tell me how to do something.
Speaker 1: If you're doing something, then you can critique by something.
Speaker 1: But you can't critique by something if you are doing nothing.
Speaker 1: I guess that was a bar. I mean, somebody says off,
Speaker 1: So I guess that's one of those opportunities for you
Speaker 1: to show that you actually are working on an album.
Speaker 1: So as we talk about me wrapping my ass off,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that brings me into another topic.
Speaker 1: Make the stallion. You know what I'm saying? Who I
Speaker 1: actually love. I think she is just so dope I
Speaker 1: was spoken. She is confident, She represents the black women
Speaker 1: to the fullest to me. You know, in this week
Speaker 1: she gave you a little shot out she did. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because it's funny because I remember
Speaker 1: when Meg the Stallion first came out. You were kind
Speaker 1: of like and then you studied her as you do
Speaker 1: with artists all the time, and he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's a fish's gonna be so because you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, when you first come out, they always bring
Speaker 1: out girls. And she got a fat on this and that,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, O, can I hear you want you?
Speaker 1: What else? You know? I'm care You've got a nice body,
Speaker 1: but what else? You know what I'm saying. As I
Speaker 1: started to listen to her, she had more when she
Speaker 1: does interviews this content did there's a girl who was
Speaker 1: in college that actually you know that actually told so
Speaker 1: I understand this artistry. And then there's an individual. You know,
Speaker 1: when I make the connection to both of them, I
Speaker 1: like who she who she is and who she represents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm super excited, super excited. And I've actually
Speaker 1: had dinner with Meg, and so it's not you know
Speaker 1: some people think and folks just yeah, people think that
Speaker 1: people just like jump up, and I mean I never
Speaker 1: went to dinner with Beyonce, but she still put me
Speaker 1: on a song, so I thought that was quite incredible.
Speaker 1: But that's Beyonce. It's just a different thing. But with Meg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so but with Meg, you know, um, we had dinner together,
Speaker 1: and I learned a lot about her interests, right, and
Speaker 1: how much she cares about the movement and young girls
Speaker 1: and the things that she wants to do. And what
Speaker 1: I found, quite honestly, is that it's like it's almost
Speaker 1: like a lot of artists don't know if they should
Speaker 1: or should not when they should and should not because
Speaker 1: they get criticized for doing it and not doing how
Speaker 1: they do what they do it. But that goes into
Speaker 1: like we did the double excel right exactly, the double
Speaker 1: left freshman's class, which y'all told me it was so
Speaker 1: cool because I didn't know what the freshman's class was
Speaker 1: and now I know it was. Actually they're so amazing,
Speaker 1: They amazing and they want to be was dope, you know,
Speaker 1: five year old. Who lord, it was so many now
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to come up with the whole list.
Speaker 1: But anyway, um, it was yeah, and that was a
Speaker 1: great opportunity, and that's exactly what we're talking about. And
Speaker 1: it's like, you don't know if you should or shouldn't.
Speaker 1: If I don't say anything and just mind my business
Speaker 1: to stay under the radar, at what point they're gonna
Speaker 1: attack me for it if I do say something? How
Speaker 1: what went and where? And so we were having that
Speaker 1: conversation and then all of a sudden, I got a
Speaker 1: call from Kevin Lows, who actually is on our board
Speaker 1: UM and it's a great friend of mine. His company
Speaker 1: is the management team for Meg, and they said they,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to put a clip of my speech
Speaker 1: in something that Meg was doing. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: what it was, and I don't do this at home.
Speaker 1: They sent me a release form and that because because
Speaker 1: of the fact that I know Meg well, not even
Speaker 1: just knowing Meg, I know Kevin very well. I have lawyer.
Speaker 1: Looked at it real quick, never listened to it, didn't
Speaker 1: look at anything, don't know what's going on. And I
Speaker 1: was like, if it's good and I'm not to be
Speaker 1: in trouble, sign it. Don't ever do that, read it,
Speaker 1: pay attention, focus and make sure you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: But I was like, sign it because it's Kevin. I
Speaker 1: trust him with my life. And the next thing. I know,
Speaker 1: people start texting me talking about SNL, Meg the Stallion,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, this is so dang
Speaker 1: on incredible. And in fact, one of our guests, attorney
Speaker 1: Linita Baker, was the first person to hit me up
Speaker 1: and tell me that I was on SNL. I just
Speaker 1: was like, I was sitting there, like I told her, WHOA,
Speaker 1: that's big. That was my response because I was so
Speaker 1: shocked about it. It's a good thing, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's really over there over there clapping. But that brings
Speaker 1: me to my question of the day, my thought of
Speaker 1: the day. You know, I watched the comments sometimes too much,
Speaker 1: too much, and I see all of these people writing
Speaker 1: that because Meg and her hit song. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was in big trouble about why I was. They
Speaker 1: was They went crazy when I said that I supported on.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, they was so mad. And I
Speaker 1: was over there telling them that why is the number
Speaker 1: one selling thing in the world. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how all of a sudden, when it's been selling from
Speaker 1: artists to artists, been selling from Uji Wally Bang Bang
Speaker 1: to Erica. Kids sold it too. I mean we've been
Speaker 1: selling it. In fact, not only people selling it. Some
Speaker 1: people are using it, but that's a whole different thing,
Speaker 1: um and and the people buying it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like now, all of a sudden, when Meg and
Speaker 1: Cardi do it, because of the fact that it's it's
Speaker 1: so I don't know it's it. It is explicit, we
Speaker 1: know that, but it's also lights Cameron's action. But there
Speaker 1: are young people watching them. But they are young people.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, my thought of the day,
Speaker 1: and then you could argue with me, and then we
Speaker 1: got to move one. So the thing about it, though,
Speaker 1: is that what I struggle with is this judgment that
Speaker 1: people have of celebrities. It's just if these folks are
Speaker 1: just perfect individuals who just do everything one way all
Speaker 1: the time. That is not the reality of human beings.
Speaker 1: Human beings are very multidimensional. Some days we want to twork,
Speaker 1: some days we want to dance, Some days we want
Speaker 1: to sing, some days we want to pray, some days
Speaker 1: we don't want to get up out the bed. We
Speaker 1: go through different things, right, And the thing that I think,
Speaker 1: or my my thought is that I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: other people to come with me on this journey. Is
Speaker 1: why is it that just because Meg is talking about
Speaker 1: why she's talking about savages, She's talking all of this
Speaker 1: good stuff for bad stuff, however you want to categorize it.
Speaker 1: She's extremely sexy, she's you know, and and and it
Speaker 1: is very explicit at times a lot of times. Why
Speaker 1: does that mean that she can't care about her community
Speaker 1: or can't care about like you think that they care
Speaker 1: whether you are a dancer or a ball player or
Speaker 1: a lawyer. When they pull you over in the car
Speaker 1: and they kill you, they don't check your credentials of
Speaker 1: what you do. So why is it that she is
Speaker 1: not able to be an explicit, uh, sexy, confident artist
Speaker 1: who has number one hits right and at the same
Speaker 1: time say Brianna Taylor, like because she could have been
Speaker 1: in her house and been Brianna Taylor. So I'm just
Speaker 1: and and mind you, some of the very people talking
Speaker 1: about this, they out here selling what themselves to understand
Speaker 1: that's once again critics with our credentials, sh critics who's
Speaker 1: just sitting at home and talk And you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like we always want to call celebrities and influences
Speaker 1: to the table and say why aren't you saying this
Speaker 1: why aren't you using your platform to talk about these things?
Speaker 1: And then we criticize, and when they actually do so,
Speaker 1: it gives makes a lot of artists say I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say anything because I want to deal with the criticism,
Speaker 1: because you know, I haven't actually lived my life in
Speaker 1: a perfect way. So when I talk about things that
Speaker 1: are subsequent to our lives, you know that really matter
Speaker 1: to our culture. That's you know, how we are in
Speaker 1: danger right now. So when I talk about those things,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to hear the backlash of
Speaker 1: people saying that I'm a hypocrite. I'm not a hypocrite.
Speaker 1: I want. I like to talk about why I'm coming
Speaker 1: to the street. I talk about is do we have
Speaker 1: to create a list of like the perfect artists. There's
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Let me tell yourself, there's no perfect anything.
Speaker 1: Every we want. This is what until freedom, and you
Speaker 1: see these things. Until freedom is about anyone who wants
Speaker 1: to betterment of our people, wants to see us evolve. Anybody,
Speaker 1: there is an intersection for you in this movement. You
Speaker 1: can we expandex you can work in the strip club,
Speaker 1: you can come home from jail. You want to change
Speaker 1: your life around. You could be on the corner, You
Speaker 1: could have been in a gang if you just side
Speaker 1: that you want to see better for your people and
Speaker 1: you want to do better, and you want to utilize
Speaker 1: your voice in your platform. This is what we were
Speaker 1: actually and see that's what I think, and we we
Speaker 1: need to do a whole new show. And also we
Speaker 1: got to talk to Meg because there's so much I think.
Speaker 1: I think she needs to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: I think we need to talk to Cardi Um so
Speaker 1: we can haves, so we can have these Concardi loves you.
Speaker 1: She always my brother, my brother, my son UM, and
Speaker 1: she's been extremely supportive of us, and I think we
Speaker 1: need to have this conversation. But I also think that
Speaker 1: we need to do a show with our co founders
Speaker 1: just to talk about who we're after, because there's this
Speaker 1: perception that I can't believe to Mika would and I
Speaker 1: have to explain because I got calls from preachers and
Speaker 1: others saying, well, you shouldn't allow them to use you
Speaker 1: in this way. And when I finished explain it to them,
Speaker 1: the audience that I'm after, I'm not after you, Reverend,
Speaker 1: like I want you to be an ally with me
Speaker 1: and I hope that we can work together, that I
Speaker 1: could bring you in to help support what the growth
Speaker 1: of some of these young folks and to be a
Speaker 1: part of the family that we're creating. But you are
Speaker 1: not the audience that I am trying to go after.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the ones who are following Meg the Stallion.
Speaker 1: That's who I want to talk to, want to want,
Speaker 1: we want the right I wanted to. Don't say they
Speaker 1: don't say listen to what I'm saying to people who
Speaker 1: have been edged out. But that's not true. Because because no,
Speaker 1: because don't want because no, because because because there are
Speaker 1: there are people who are at the top of the game.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but don't be associate in the least
Speaker 1: of these. No, you said that because I was just
Speaker 1: speaking to it doesn't matter. I was speaking about the
Speaker 1: audience that we're after, and then you inserted your word
Speaker 1: and said, we want the least of these and what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't do so I say that in your
Speaker 1: time when that is an other part of it. But
Speaker 1: it's not even whether it's the least of these, it
Speaker 1: is a mentality that people have that they are free,
Speaker 1: that they free falling and they're sexy that they don't
Speaker 1: they're not bound by some of the things that we
Speaker 1: have learned that you got to be a certain type
Speaker 1: of thing. Your skirt gotta be under your knees and
Speaker 1: this in order for you to be respected in the movement.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that's we want that too, right,
Speaker 1: we want those people to be with us, to be
Speaker 1: allies with us. But if we are going to actually
Speaker 1: make a change in society, we've got to go to
Speaker 1: and meet our people where they are. And they are
Speaker 1: not always in the church in the in the right
Speaker 1: places and the right spaces. Sometimes you actually got to
Speaker 1: go get them out of the joke joint. Like, that's
Speaker 1: just what it is. So what I mean by the
Speaker 1: least of these is not to deter anybody or talk
Speaker 1: down but the people whose society says that, the people
Speaker 1: with society deemed not able to speak on these things,
Speaker 1: the people who a lot of organizations would have been like,
Speaker 1: these people are not politically correct, so we can't be
Speaker 1: you cleaned it up. Well, that's what I meant, But
Speaker 1: that is what you mean because you definitely because I'm
Speaker 1: the least of these, well people say that about you
Speaker 1: you say that all the time. This is this joke,
Speaker 1: running joke that we have. And we got to move on.
Speaker 1: Where when I told you, like my son, don't lean
Speaker 1: on the garbage can, or my son you shouldn't eat that,
Speaker 1: did you see that the shrump still has the little
Speaker 1: piece of poop in it? And this and that, And
Speaker 1: then you'll say to me, I was in jail for
Speaker 1: seven years, and if I thought the way that you said,
Speaker 1: if I thought the way that you're speaking, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: to survive. But you're not in jail anymore. I get you. Know.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to is that I know how to
Speaker 1: adapt to anything. I don't need to sleep on the bed.
Speaker 1: I can see on the couch, I can see on
Speaker 1: the rug. I'm gonna survive. But we're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and we come back.
Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by the family and be
Speaker 1: on the two. So we're back and we are here
Speaker 1: with folks that I consider to be family. We considered
Speaker 1: to be family family to until freedom, but family to
Speaker 1: us personally, and that is the family of Brianna Taylor.
Speaker 1: But not just family Brianna's mom. To make a Palmer
Speaker 1: and her sister, Jenia Palmer, who actually lived in the
Speaker 1: house with Brianna all the way until this tragic incident occurred.
Speaker 1: And so thank you all, first of all for being
Speaker 1: with us on street politicians today. Thank you for having us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're excited. You know. They don't like to they don't
Speaker 1: like to do anything, like to do anything. So we
Speaker 1: we special. We called we FaceTime, like we need you
Speaker 1: to come to Like, all right, I'll be there, she says,
Speaker 1: know that ever all the time, every time I try
Speaker 1: to get it to speaks. So when she like I
Speaker 1: put the micy, she just looks at me, and I
Speaker 1: can understand. It's not anything to talk about. It's not
Speaker 1: like somebody's asking me to about your favorite album or
Speaker 1: you know, a hairstyle or something like. You know, we're
Speaker 1: asking you to talk about a real, real, real, deep, tragic,
Speaker 1: dark situation that you're living with every single day. And
Speaker 1: to not be in the spotlight all the time and
Speaker 1: then be thrust into the spotlight um and again, not
Speaker 1: because you had a hit song or the best clothing
Speaker 1: or whatever, but because of the death, the murder of
Speaker 1: your loved one. Is got to be a hard place absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else to say. It's just a hard place,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. So let's see. I think for
Speaker 1: me and and and my son and I were talking
Speaker 1: a lot about how to how to really approach this
Speaker 1: interview because um we we also we love y'all so
Speaker 1: much that we don't want to put you through having
Speaker 1: to talk about things that we know. I've seen you
Speaker 1: cringe when people ask you to make my main faith
Speaker 1: by the way we spell it the same and everything. Um,
Speaker 1: when people ask you to try to go back to
Speaker 1: everything that has happened, especially that night I see it
Speaker 1: on your face, is like the worst thing to have
Speaker 1: to relive that. And oftentimes people who are in media,
Speaker 1: we don't like to think of ourselves as being in media,
Speaker 1: but we are. Um people they don't they don't understand
Speaker 1: like the nature of like how real it is and
Speaker 1: how how what's the word this is not like for TV,
Speaker 1: like it's you know, it's a real thing that you're
Speaker 1: dealing with, And so they just ask the same questions
Speaker 1: and just constantly probing, looking for the thing that just
Speaker 1: kind of breaks you down so they could get the shot,
Speaker 1: you know. And I and we were like, we're just
Speaker 1: not doing that, that's not what we wanted to do. Um,
Speaker 1: And so we decided that people can just go do
Speaker 1: the research on that night. I think the FX documentary
Speaker 1: that The New York Times did is actually a good documentary.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's perfect, and I don't even know
Speaker 1: because we never discussed it, but I saw some things
Speaker 1: that I know weren't exactly accurate. But it is a
Speaker 1: good way to help people understand the basics around what happened.
Speaker 1: Your voice is in it, Kenny's voices in the documentary, um,
Speaker 1: and so if people want to know and Jenia right,
Speaker 1: and I think I have interview, but okay, so we
Speaker 1: gotta fix that because you're a powerful voice. But we'll
Speaker 1: get to that in a minute. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: we decided that people should go watch things like that
Speaker 1: to get the beginning. You know, at first, we were like,
Speaker 1: are we gonna ask about that night now? Because it's
Speaker 1: everywhere you talked about it over and over again, and
Speaker 1: so with ware, I think we should start. And what
Speaker 1: we decided was that the thing that has us the
Speaker 1: most piste off and I keep talking about this over
Speaker 1: and over and over again, is that leading up to
Speaker 1: the last days before we heard from Daniel Cameron, the
Speaker 1: Kentucky Attorney General. Sam Agar your attorney told me, and
Speaker 1: I checked with him to make sure I wasn't in
Speaker 1: trouble for telling this, but he said it was okay.
Speaker 1: That he spoke with the Attorney General's office and he
Speaker 1: told them, please do not have Tamika and her family
Speaker 1: go all the way to Frankfort, which is an hour
Speaker 1: away from home. I guess, y'all people that speed really
Speaker 1: fast here. This is the only place, by the way
Speaker 1: where we go. Anywhere else people don't drive right, But
Speaker 1: in Kentucky we have been complaining about how y'all drive.
Speaker 1: Y'all drive a little fast here. Um, but this ride
Speaker 1: for forty minutes or hour or whatever to get to
Speaker 1: Frankfort to hear a bullshit decision. We didn't want that, right,
Speaker 1: He said, don't have them come for something that you
Speaker 1: know is going to upset her one. And I think
Speaker 1: if he said, um, because the ride back, it's not fair.
Speaker 1: Don't do that to her. And still you were asked
Speaker 1: to come quickly. It gave you a quick turn around
Speaker 1: to show up in Frankfurt, which you did. You went there,
Speaker 1: And so I think the first question that I have.
Speaker 1: And again I'm sorry for having to ask something that
Speaker 1: I know is painful to talk about. But what was
Speaker 1: the drive going and the drive coming back? Like, in
Speaker 1: light of the fact that you had already been told,
Speaker 1: or at least your lawyer said, don't have us come
Speaker 1: for nothing, so going, how are you feeling? Um hopeful?
Speaker 1: You know? So like you said, they've we've already said,
Speaker 1: don't make us drive down here for anything. And the
Speaker 1: fact that you call and you need us here in
Speaker 1: this short amount of time, so something has to come,
Speaker 1: something good has to come from that. So I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure of what it would have been. Uh. I
Speaker 1: never trusted Cameron to begin with, but I was a
Speaker 1: little hopeful because here I am driving this drive to
Speaker 1: hear whatever it is you had to say. He could
Speaker 1: have caused me on the phone. He could have called
Speaker 1: me on the phone. Coming home was terrible. I threw
Speaker 1: up a lot coming home, so we we had to
Speaker 1: keep pulling over and it just was it was long.
Speaker 1: It was like I was never getting home. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I finally did get home. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was in bed just the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: I never I didn't get up. Now mhm. And you
Speaker 1: were waiting to hear what was what happened? How did
Speaker 1: you feel did you you believe like, Okay, well she's
Speaker 1: going there's gotta be something good exactly what I called
Speaker 1: h And then I said it at home and watched
Speaker 1: it on TV on my best friend. It's like, boll,
Speaker 1: that was kind of blameless. She could stayed at home
Speaker 1: and we could have watched it as a family. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I think for me, you know, that's what that's what
Speaker 1: bothered me. You know, we were here with you guys,
Speaker 1: and you know, and we had been privy to a
Speaker 1: little bit of that information also, and we sat in
Speaker 1: the square with everybody else, you know, and when I
Speaker 1: heard when I heard it, for me, it was just
Speaker 1: like I would just imagine to me, you drive at
Speaker 1: home like after that, I just wanted to understand, like
Speaker 1: like how why would he meet this woman drive out there?
Speaker 1: You know? And and that I was stucked for like
Speaker 1: probably for about thirty minutes straight. So I know that
Speaker 1: that so basically you saying before I remember when you
Speaker 1: originally met with Cameron, which was months afterwards, because he
Speaker 1: never even reached out to you until how many months
Speaker 1: was it? Oh? God by then it probably was four months,
Speaker 1: but four months was the first time he even called
Speaker 1: you guys, and and he what did he do when
Speaker 1: he called you just the offered condos is um just
Speaker 1: that he would do everything he could to make sure
Speaker 1: the truth came out and UM, and that he would
Speaker 1: definitely reach out and talk to me before any um
Speaker 1: he released the information to the public, because that was
Speaker 1: part of the thing that we were tired of finding out.
Speaker 1: UM when the public found out and you know that,
Speaker 1: I thought it was disrespectful for one UM, but he
Speaker 1: assured me that wouldn't happen again. But but once again
Speaker 1: he pretty much failed. And it's like and I think
Speaker 1: that's what it was for me, just understanding that. I
Speaker 1: remember after you had came back, because you came over
Speaker 1: here and we sat and we talked for a while,
Speaker 1: and y'all would not like you had much in the
Speaker 1: system on him, but you said that he seemed like
Speaker 1: he was authentic, like he seemed like he wanted to
Speaker 1: do that he had a heart. That was a specific word.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. He definitely acted as if he
Speaker 1: did and it definitely wasn't act because even in the
Speaker 1: even the moment of him telling me, whatever the decision
Speaker 1: was he put on the show is what it was.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So finding out that the only indictment because
Speaker 1: your your sister, Bianca describes a moment where she feels like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I do hear something. You know, there's some indictment that's happening,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, not not that it was the
Speaker 1: full justice or whatever, but it just sounded like something.
Speaker 1: And then she says there was a moment which I
Speaker 1: also heard a lot about them, We're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: attorney and Leada Baca, where she had to explain that
Speaker 1: the actual charge wasn't for someone killing Brianna, it was
Speaker 1: for the wall, the bullets that went in the wall.
Speaker 1: So he actually had you drive to Frankfort to tell
Speaker 1: you that they were indicting the wall. Absolutely, the bullets
Speaker 1: in the wall, you know that was that was what
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. And you always said
Speaker 1: you never have faith why because of the city. Well,
Speaker 1: a part of it being the way the system has
Speaker 1: always been set up and the way it's always treated us.
Speaker 1: It's black people, um be just because to know learning
Speaker 1: anything about the history of Cameron, I just I never
Speaker 1: felt that this particular um decision should have been left
Speaker 1: up to him. He wasn't equipped to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: And he also made a commitment when he took the
Speaker 1: Fraternal Order of Police that the police union, this is
Speaker 1: the people the FOP there, they are the the big
Speaker 1: boys for the police. That's where the folks the officers
Speaker 1: run to for problems, for issues, right, so he he
Speaker 1: took an endorsement from them, a national organization. Every time
Speaker 1: a black person is killed in this country and it
Speaker 1: is a high profile situation where police are involved, they
Speaker 1: come out and try to defend the police officers action.
Speaker 1: I think in George Floyd they were a little like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, this was wrong. But that's because they know
Speaker 1: people could see right on tape exactly what happened. And
Speaker 1: so for them to try to go in the opposite
Speaker 1: direction when folks were burning down Minneapolis, it probably wasn't
Speaker 1: the right way to go, right like, it would have
Speaker 1: just incited more. But and so that's a political move
Speaker 1: because they haven't shown that they actually care about black bodies.
Speaker 1: And so when when you're when Daniel Cameron is standing
Speaker 1: there and he's accepting their nomination into I mean their
Speaker 1: endorsement in two thousand and nineteen. I think he says,
Speaker 1: I understand exactly what this endorsement means. I will be
Speaker 1: the voice and advocate for law enforcement. So why would
Speaker 1: we ever think even though I was hopeful, I was hopeful,
Speaker 1: But why would we ever think that he was going
Speaker 1: to be Brianna's advocate? Which is so painful, absolutely so,
Speaker 1: which is why I say he was never equipped to
Speaker 1: do that job. He stood he had already accepted to
Speaker 1: be on the police side. Yeah, he already made that decision.
Speaker 1: And we see it now. It's clear people thought we
Speaker 1: were a little crazy, like you're just saying it now,
Speaker 1: we're like the little emoji and hand when you sit
Speaker 1: there and you actually looked back. He knew this week
Speaker 1: so right, because he never actually even presented anything that
Speaker 1: looked like justice for Brianna till so he called you
Speaker 1: when he could have. I mean, he made you drive
Speaker 1: up and he could have called you a week ago
Speaker 1: when he presented it to because he knew he never
Speaker 1: presented anything that was gonna get justice for reality. He
Speaker 1: knew that the moment they were putting boards up on
Speaker 1: windows down, he chose to drag that out he chose
Speaker 1: to torture me and my family even more. He chose
Speaker 1: that you said something about how it feels that your
Speaker 1: daughter has died over and over again, four hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety four days at that time, at the time, how
Speaker 1: many days has it been? Now, goodness, it's just time
Speaker 1: to stop. Day like the past, that day, that day
Speaker 1: killed me out. Mm hmm. Yeah. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: a lot goes on and everybody has an opinion, everybody
Speaker 1: has a story, and you know, me knowing you guys
Speaker 1: and y'all like my family. You know, I'm literally like
Speaker 1: your family. So I take a lot of stuff first.
Speaker 1: So I just want to know, like, this is something
Speaker 1: that's been going on constantly hearing it over does it
Speaker 1: bother you? How does it make you feel when people
Speaker 1: constantly say that Brianna was a drug deal, disrespected, angry,
Speaker 1: ps um. I could go on forever. She's always texting me.
Speaker 1: I know you said I shouldn't be disrespectful to grown people,
Speaker 1: but they they're pissing me off, you know, So it's
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's But at the same time, there's
Speaker 1: people who in the beginning we're saying those things, who
Speaker 1: are writing me now on social media. I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: that I ever thought that. I'm so sorry because the
Speaker 1: more of this story comes out each day, there's a
Speaker 1: new piece of information that shows that these officers were wrong,
Speaker 1: that Daniel Camera was wrong, and there's people who wish
Speaker 1: that they were never on that side. That's that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. And I know we can't talk about the
Speaker 1: legal case because there are other legal avenues that your
Speaker 1: attorneys who will be coming up after you, will talk about.
Speaker 1: But this idea that suspicious packages was going where you live,
Speaker 1: does it make you feel like I'm didn't they I'm
Speaker 1: telling you all that we didn't have I mean, talk
Speaker 1: about how that makes you feel knowing that people are
Speaker 1: making up a storyline and the police made it up.
Speaker 1: To be clear, they made it up, because it's very
Speaker 1: obvious at this point that the postal service told them
Speaker 1: more than one time, no packages, no packages, no packages.
Speaker 1: Even a month after Brianna was killed. The officer went
Speaker 1: back trying to ask again while they're building a case,
Speaker 1: and the post office said no. Yeah. It's annoying because
Speaker 1: if they really know, all those packages was for me
Speaker 1: on her because we both are going on vacation and
Speaker 1: we can part from each other. So it's like getting
Speaker 1: your stuff whatever, you get everything we needed for our regulations.
Speaker 1: But everybody uses Amazon this and that, like this is
Speaker 1: what we do well. Not only that, it's everybody, all
Speaker 1: of us who ordered things send it to that house
Speaker 1: because somebody is always there to get the packages there
Speaker 1: because you know the neighbors and everybody will look out
Speaker 1: for packages. So I order, everything goes to this house.
Speaker 1: My sister, everything goes to this house. So and they
Speaker 1: assume that just because we're black and that somebody in
Speaker 1: this situation has a sketchy background, that it just makes
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor and her home your home the trap house.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable because to know
Speaker 1: Brianna is she is. She's the person, in a heartbeat,
Speaker 1: was that if you get caught with something my car,
Speaker 1: I'm telling I got stuff to deal with my life.
Speaker 1: I'm telling yeah, that's just the type of person she was.
Speaker 1: So it just to hear those things pis as you are.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it pisses me off more than you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's more than you, but I
Speaker 1: know I'm very pissed. Up. I go to Jenia's page
Speaker 1: sometimes and I see like little video clips that she
Speaker 1: posted on Brihanna, and it's just like like, how did
Speaker 1: this happen? You know? How do you how do you
Speaker 1: like when you post when you're posting those videos, like
Speaker 1: do you just be in the house and just thinking
Speaker 1: about things? Or like a lot of times when I
Speaker 1: posted this because they're coming up in my memories. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's just like it's my friend. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: big deal because you can have Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: do you think you're suffering a little bit or do
Speaker 1: you think that Jenias stuff her in a little bit
Speaker 1: from survivor's remorse, a feeling of like I should have
Speaker 1: been there. I don't necessarily think she thinks it should
Speaker 1: have been hurt, but I definitely think she thinks, oh
Speaker 1: I should have been there, as if something could have
Speaker 1: been well, something could have been different. They both could
Speaker 1: have been gone had she been there. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: number of things that could have been different had she
Speaker 1: been there, you know. So I think God put her
Speaker 1: exactly where she needed to be, and she needs to
Speaker 1: understand that you're struggling with that not being mere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't go to Califora. Yeah, but God
Speaker 1: can do things. Do things because you told me when
Speaker 1: we first met, you were like, oh, this is my
Speaker 1: room and this is where a lot of bullets were,
Speaker 1: and I would have been in me Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have m wow. So I think we you know, we're
Speaker 1: winding down and I want to ask you, is about Kenny?
Speaker 1: I love me something I've seen him as, like, Kenny
Speaker 1: is our guys. You know, we asked as my son
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this, he was like, y'all,
Speaker 1: you know you want us to protect you. You want
Speaker 1: us to protect you want us to stand in the gap,
Speaker 1: you want us to do these things. He want to
Speaker 1: tell about this issue, but in other things. And we
Speaker 1: both were saying today as we were preparing that Kenny
Speaker 1: did the thing that we asked our men to do,
Speaker 1: and yet they're using it to try to frame him
Speaker 1: as being the reason why, like Kenny shoot, he didn't
Speaker 1: fire a warning shot and did a one in shot
Speaker 1: and then they went and got to botch Warren. That
Speaker 1: happened first. But that seems like that's just not a
Speaker 1: part of the conversation. So how is that relationship? Um?
Speaker 1: So I love Kenny I think Kenny did exactly what
Speaker 1: he should have done. Um. And I know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who say they wouldn't agree, but
Speaker 1: they're also the people who've never been put in that situation.
Speaker 1: So um, But I think that also Kenny is having
Speaker 1: a hard time dealing with how that. You know, he
Speaker 1: thinks it's what if I wasn't there that night, Maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been there and this could have played
Speaker 1: out different. But for me, I think it's if he
Speaker 1: wasn't there, who knows what they would have done to her?
Speaker 1: And he's the only person who can tell us any
Speaker 1: type of anything from that night because the police still
Speaker 1: hasn't done that, right, So he's the one. He's where
Speaker 1: you're getting the details about Brianna's last moment. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: just you know, and he's such a good guy, you know,
Speaker 1: he ain't love Brianna so much and now takes care
Speaker 1: of Jnia. I think they take care of each other
Speaker 1: real brother says Yeah. I mean, I wonder one day
Speaker 1: we will get to ask Kenny, you know, does he
Speaker 1: feel is there any guilt in his heart? You know
Speaker 1: that maybe, like you said, maybe I just shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been home. You know, we're there with her that night.
Speaker 1: But I know we're proud. We're proud of the fact
Speaker 1: that he tried. He tried to protect his home, he
Speaker 1: tried to protect his woman, and what he did was
Speaker 1: not the reason why this happened. It was a part.
Speaker 1: They caused all of it, and he was a pleader.
Speaker 1: He had a role in what what took place. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, the last thing we want
Speaker 1: to talk about, which we already kind of touched on,
Speaker 1: is the online trolls, because I've had to call you
Speaker 1: and say to me, good, you cannot actually say the
Speaker 1: things you're thinking on the incidet are you gonna tell Denia?
Speaker 1: And you're doing it well because I'm her mother, don't
Speaker 1: do what I do. So that's but number two. And
Speaker 1: I still have a job as a mother to to
Speaker 1: to protect my kids. And I thought, she's not hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm still going to protect her. I'm going to protect you.
Speaker 1: She was are naming and what she could have been.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes I get caught up in those moments,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there'll be There'll be plenty of
Speaker 1: days I'll still get caught up because I'll never stop,
Speaker 1: especially the week of the settlement announcement. That was a
Speaker 1: tough week because people were just saying the most ignorant
Speaker 1: stuff ever. We're gonna talk with your attorneys about that, um,
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the things that you did,
Speaker 1: and I think this is a note that we can
Speaker 1: end on, is that you were very adamant that the
Speaker 1: settlement agreement would not just be a settlement for money,
Speaker 1: but that they will also be reforms included in that
Speaker 1: settlement process. And I want to say that I'm really
Speaker 1: proud that that's something that you focused on. And it
Speaker 1: also taught your family, your entire family, and the community
Speaker 1: in Louisville and across the country what it looks like
Speaker 1: to stand up not just for your own child, but
Speaker 1: for other people's children. And certainly it also means a
Speaker 1: lot for me in my own family. And I just
Speaker 1: I want to I want to know what was the
Speaker 1: mindset going into it, and how do you feel about
Speaker 1: it now? You feel like you did exactly the right thing? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely still felt like I did the right thing.
Speaker 1: And first the mindset, Hey, I felt I had a
Speaker 1: lot of those things been in place that wouldn't have
Speaker 1: happened to Brihanna, but I have to make sure that
Speaker 1: Jennia doesn't become a Brianna. So that's that was it
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, so for me, right because because people
Speaker 1: just saw it right, and I just hate having me
Speaker 1: just saying this. The civil settlement had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the criminal case. Absolutely, there was no. You did
Speaker 1: not settle and say you have a gag order two
Speaker 1: where you cannot talk about this case and justice. The
Speaker 1: only people who think that are Facebook lawyers, lawyers. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the worst thing. I go on Facebook and the like.
Speaker 1: She took the money, so she knew what she was
Speaker 1: gonna do this. They paid her all from like what
Speaker 1: are you? Where did you get where did you get this? Inbody?
Speaker 1: Pay you for your child's life? I mean, what's the
Speaker 1: price tag for that? Yeah? Yeah, no, you know and
Speaker 1: and and we do get caught up in the comments,
Speaker 1: which I suggest if you don't talk to trolls, especially
Speaker 1: as Teslin for Good our Girls says, don't talk to
Speaker 1: people who have they not even give you their first
Speaker 1: and last name, even know who they are. You said, up,
Speaker 1: they're arguing back and forth with nobody in the air,
Speaker 1: making yourself Russians going out. I know, I know, because
Speaker 1: you want to give him your address. That's right about.
Speaker 1: But you know, the issue you around the settlement piece
Speaker 1: for me was I've seen people get charges for the
Speaker 1: cops and zero dollars or one million dollars or you know,
Speaker 1: a very small settlement. I've seen people get settlements no justice.
Speaker 1: I've seen so many different scenarios, a little charges that
Speaker 1: are very light and a little bit of money. And
Speaker 1: so this idea that there's one model or one thing
Speaker 1: we're trying to create that as we go along. We're
Speaker 1: trying to as you guys did, push the envelope receiving
Speaker 1: the largest settlement that anyone has received a black woman.
Speaker 1: Now we know that Corin Gains, which is another black
Speaker 1: woman who was killed by police in Maryland, that she
Speaker 1: her family has a settlement that is larger, but that
Speaker 1: settlement has been stopped in his tracks by the courts.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about received in terms of I ain't
Speaker 1: in your pocket and in your business, but the paperwork
Speaker 1: is signed and the people are gonna get it done.
Speaker 1: And her situation, we don't know what's gonna happen. So
Speaker 1: today this settlement that you lall hack is the most
Speaker 1: historic for a black woman killed by police across this country.
Speaker 1: And you included reforms, policy changes that are specific to
Speaker 1: what happened here in the Brianna Taylor Cats and some
Speaker 1: other things that community members wanted you to include. That's powerful.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the reform from me, and that's why
Speaker 1: you are going to be the leader up until freedom.
Speaker 1: We need organized as we need people who want to
Speaker 1: take on that role. One right now. Listen, you've been
Speaker 1: pushed into leadership. You've been pushed into this role, and
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that you wear it
Speaker 1: with grace. You were with honor, with class. Since I've
Speaker 1: met you, you have been a classy woman. You have
Speaker 1: wanted to say the worst things and you're taking it.
Speaker 1: You know when you speak, and you always speak powerful
Speaker 1: and you always and I know that Brianna is looking
Speaker 1: at both of you, and she's a legend and you
Speaker 1: made her a legend. You you've made your daughter a
Speaker 1: legend because the way that you continue this work, the
Speaker 1: way that you stand in this gap, the way that
Speaker 1: you stand up and you stand with your show this straight,
Speaker 1: your head high, and you represent her, don't matter what
Speaker 1: they throw at you. It's just phenomenal. So I just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you, leg Sure, thank you all
Speaker 1: so much for doing this with us today. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having us and we love y'all. Right,
Speaker 1: that's welcome back to street Politicians. This is part two
Speaker 1: of our series on Brianna Taylor. So we've been joined
Speaker 1: today by two people who I just love to talk
Speaker 1: to and hear from. Until freedom has been guided in
Speaker 1: how we operate around the true details of the Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor matter, because Brianna Taylor doesn't have a case. To
Speaker 1: be clear, she never had a case in her life,
Speaker 1: so she does not have a case. She is not
Speaker 1: on trial. But in the Brianna Taylor matter, the matter
Speaker 1: of her being killed, we've had to turn to these
Speaker 1: incredible attorneys and there's one missing, which is Attorney Benjamin
Speaker 1: crump Uh to get real true facts because this Kentucky.
Speaker 1: First of all, Limita, your hometown, UM and Lorsville specifically,
Speaker 1: things travel fast around here. People get messaging and things
Speaker 1: and whatever mixed up telephone game down here, and so
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of information that's out there that is
Speaker 1: not accurate. So we've been guided by truth and facts
Speaker 1: by turning to Attorney Sam Agyar and Attorney Nita Baker,
Speaker 1: and of course our brother who is not with us,
Speaker 1: Attorney Benjamin Crump. So that well, we're out here speaking,
Speaker 1: that we're telling the truth. And even in two instances
Speaker 1: where people want to be um, you know, sometimes folks
Speaker 1: want to they want to they want pity, so they say, oh,
Speaker 1: she was sleeping in her bed when she was shot,
Speaker 1: and y'all have said, no, that is not true. She
Speaker 1: wasn't sleeping. She was sleeping before the police knocked, and
Speaker 1: she heard a knock and she got up. So you
Speaker 1: guys have not tried to put out details that would
Speaker 1: just lend itself to your position, but just the facts.
Speaker 1: Don't need to embellish your story that's already so tragic,
Speaker 1: like we didn't need to embellish it right now, right,
Speaker 1: So first of all, how are you guys doing post
Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron coming back? Which we we we we talked
Speaker 1: a lot in our segment with Jenia and Tomika Palmer
Speaker 1: about that phone call that you made, saying to the
Speaker 1: Attorney General's office to say, do not make this young
Speaker 1: this lady drive this mother drive a distance to hear
Speaker 1: something that we know it's not justice, true justice for
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor. And it happened anyway. Daniel Cameron's office allowed
Speaker 1: you all to be there in frankfort forty minutes to
Speaker 1: an hour away from UM from where you all live
Speaker 1: in Louisville, and I just want to know, like, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you feel. What's the human side of hearing
Speaker 1: that there was not only no charges related to Brianna Taylor,
Speaker 1: but that the only charges UM that have been that
Speaker 1: there was an indictment for was bullets that went into
Speaker 1: a wall. No, we should hear from you first then,
Speaker 1: because you always want to tell Anita, you always us.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it, but we want to hear from so
Speaker 1: Lenita's got a great voice, and unfortun I've been through
Speaker 1: this before. So you know, last police shooting case that
Speaker 1: I had, UM vowed never to have to see a
Speaker 1: family go through that again, to have to go all
Speaker 1: the way down to meet with you know, a district
Speaker 1: attorney what you call down here. I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: before we got weird names down here. But but to
Speaker 1: go meet with the d A and just have them,
Speaker 1: you know, looking in the eye and say, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no justice coming here. And do it nonchalantly. So
Speaker 1: we didn't want that to happen. Um for to mek
Speaker 1: A Palmer, I mean, God bless that family. They're incredible,
Speaker 1: And to go all the way down to Frankfort to
Speaker 1: get that news, to find out that we actually got
Speaker 1: the news after the rest of the country got the news,
Speaker 1: because because by the time that we were actually in
Speaker 1: that conference room and you know, they were putting on
Speaker 1: their little show to try to show this foe sympathy
Speaker 1: for and everything, you know, it was after the rest
Speaker 1: of the country already heard everything. And since then it's
Speaker 1: gotten so much worse because now you you know, you
Speaker 1: start to learn what was going on in that grand
Speaker 1: jury room. I mean, just imagine U twelve people today,
Speaker 1: the mayor says, hey, I'm gonna put you in a room. Um,
Speaker 1: we got James over here, we got Jessica over here,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna spend three days going with you. And
Speaker 1: then at the end you gotta tell us which one
Speaker 1: needs to be our next police chief. And you go
Speaker 1: through and you learn all about James, you learn all
Speaker 1: about Jessica, and you're already starting to feel like the
Speaker 1: people the mayor's offices really wants you to pick James,
Speaker 1: but you keep asking all these questions and you keep
Speaker 1: learning things. Then on the last day, just imagine ten
Speaker 1: out of twelve of your are ready to make Jessica
Speaker 1: your next police chief, and the mayor walks in and says, hey, um,
Speaker 1: time to vote. But you can only pick James. And
Speaker 1: if you don't want James, then you can just leave
Speaker 1: here right now, but you can't pick Jessica. So tim
Speaker 1: if you want to pick Jessica but you can't, and
Speaker 1: then you watch the mayor get on TV later and say,
Speaker 1: you know, the grand jury decided and we agree that
Speaker 1: James should be our next police chief. Just imagine if
Speaker 1: you're that grand jury sitting at home, and then imagine
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden you see that that mayor
Speaker 1: had actually endorsed James previously, and that James had contributed
Speaker 1: to his campaign. That's what we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1: It's a grand jury that just feels like they have
Speaker 1: been betrayed, in a country that feels like they've been betrayed,
Speaker 1: in a family that feels like they've been betrayed, and
Speaker 1: it's been awful. I think for me just listening to that,
Speaker 1: the whole grand jeury process and the self is dangerous.
Speaker 1: You know when they make this statement about you can
Speaker 1: indict a ham sand which is based on that reality.
Speaker 1: You know, it's based on the reality if you show
Speaker 1: them something to say this is the only thing you
Speaker 1: can do, then what else do you have? The thing
Speaker 1: that that I do want to point out here though,
Speaker 1: is and listen to those grand jury tapes, this was
Speaker 1: a damn good grand jury. They were asking to write questions,
Speaker 1: they were involved, engaged, but it's the prosecutors that were
Speaker 1: involved that tarnish the whole process. Explain that to us,
Speaker 1: what does that sound like? Yeah, that sounds like the
Speaker 1: prosecutors involved, uh in presenting the case to the grand jury,
Speaker 1: they knew going in on Monday morning when that grand
Speaker 1: when they started presenting evidence that at the end of
Speaker 1: the day all they were gonna the only charges that
Speaker 1: they were going to present were they want endangement charges
Speaker 1: against Brett Hankinson. So they put on the show of
Speaker 1: where you know, it's going to take us three days
Speaker 1: of presenting n evidence, grand jurors asking questions only for
Speaker 1: not the witnesses to answer the questions, but for those
Speaker 1: prosecutors to answer questions for the grand jury was to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we want to see all the body camera footage before
Speaker 1: the prosecutors say, oh, we don't have time for that.
Speaker 1: And in most states, in in Kentucky, the case is
Speaker 1: that the prosecutors are supposed to be advisors to the
Speaker 1: grand jury. So if the grand jury wanted to see
Speaker 1: all of the video, prosecutors supposed to make even if
Speaker 1: it took the whole week, they're supposed to make time
Speaker 1: and let that grand jury see all of the video. Um.
Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind that if the
Speaker 1: grand jury had been presented with charges against all of
Speaker 1: the officers and homicide charges on behalf of Brianna, that
Speaker 1: there would have been indictment and indictment for all of them.
Speaker 1: And you think so, I think so. Um. But not
Speaker 1: only that, I think that these grand jurors were deprived.
Speaker 1: If you know, we're here from us, Daniel Cameron, I
Speaker 1: want to turn over every rock and get to the truth.
Speaker 1: I think they were deprived of truths, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've got good evidence capabilities these days, you know. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: for people if they don't realize that everything that you
Speaker 1: put on your cell phone, it's there. This grand jury
Speaker 1: got no cell phone forensics. Brent Hankinson had a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty phone calls and text messages within the six
Speaker 1: hours after this shooting. And this grand jury never even
Speaker 1: heard that this crime scene was tampered with so badly.
Speaker 1: And I think this grand jury picked up on that
Speaker 1: because you had evidence. I mean, what makes you think
Speaker 1: the grand jury picked up on it. It It was what
Speaker 1: you heard. And then they were asking questions. You know,
Speaker 1: at one point you have a grand jury asked, Hey,
Speaker 1: that bullet that was in there, I didn't see that earlier.
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? You know? And ask him
Speaker 1: where's the blood that this was a femoral artery shot
Speaker 1: in the house, where's the blood at? So straight got
Speaker 1: break a street levels. So if you shot in your artery,
Speaker 1: your femeral artery, which is in your thigh that area,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of blood, almost like when
Speaker 1: you watched scary movies and the blood's just squirting out.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of blood from one of those.
Speaker 1: There's no blood on the inside. The only blood inside
Speaker 1: of Brianna's apartment is from Brianna. There's none on the
Speaker 1: outside of the immediate outside of the door. You don't
Speaker 1: get blood until you get to the parking lot. Oh
Speaker 1: you wanna yeah, you wanna go street politics. You know,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's put it this way. If Kenny Walker just,
Speaker 1: you know, without a doubt, shot John Mattingly, where the
Speaker 1: hell's the blood? Why does that bullet enter in the
Speaker 1: middle of his thigh and enterrupt you know, much higher?
Speaker 1: And how come it's a full metal jacket bullet that
Speaker 1: they're saying that shot John Mattingly When Kenny Walker's gun
Speaker 1: clear as day is shooting holoquints. And who puts a
Speaker 1: while what man puts a wallet in their front pocket?
Speaker 1: So you know, there's so many things that this grand
Speaker 1: jury did not hear yet they were still ready to indict.
Speaker 1: And when you're Daniel Cameron and you're a prosecutor, just
Speaker 1: like Lenny has said, you were there to assist them.
Speaker 1: But if this grand jury at the end of the
Speaker 1: day says we want you to draft indictments, we want
Speaker 1: you to you know, educate us on what charges we
Speaker 1: can pursue. A prosecutor can't just sit there and dodge
Speaker 1: it and say, well, you know, all you got is
Speaker 1: three counts of wanton endangement when you've got a body
Speaker 1: of twelve people, ten of whom I believe wanted to
Speaker 1: indict every single these offers, one of these officers four
Speaker 1: felonies and for more than just that. Um. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of explaining to do right now. But you know,
Speaker 1: mysign to make the biggest problem we have right now
Speaker 1: is that because Daniel camer decided to step in as
Speaker 1: the top prosecutor in the state, to get recourse here
Speaker 1: is difficult. It's not impossible. We don't have double jeopardy.
Speaker 1: So so again talking to everybody, always hear about double jeopardy,
Speaker 1: that doesn't apply here. There were no indictment, you know,
Speaker 1: there was not a no true bill and never went
Speaker 1: to a jury. So for me, so basically he just
Speaker 1: circumvented the whole process. He made the jury that she
Speaker 1: they didn't even deserve that, you know, they they in
Speaker 1: court that the jury didn't even need to hear anything
Speaker 1: because in his mind, they weren't guilty of anything. Right,
Speaker 1: And the disappointing thing is that he put on this
Speaker 1: show as if he did as if he did, as
Speaker 1: if the grand jury made these decisions along with his offices,
Speaker 1: as they as if they were on board. Um from
Speaker 1: May until September, he made this whole show about, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing my independent investigation. But when you listen to
Speaker 1: the grand jury recordings, a large percentage of it are
Speaker 1: the same interviews that the Global Metro Police Departments Public
Speaker 1: Integrative Unit conducted until you didn't do anything. It's worse
Speaker 1: than that. I mean, you know, you got one officer
Speaker 1: interview that he gave the morning of the shooting, and
Speaker 1: he's talking about how Kenny Walker shot fifteen times, there's
Speaker 1: bullets going out everywhere, and how he saw Bret Hankinson
Speaker 1: walk up to the front door and shoot in there,
Speaker 1: and he says at three different times. Well, the Attorney
Speaker 1: General's Office doesn't want the grand jury to hear all
Speaker 1: that because it doesn't fit their narrative. So they re
Speaker 1: interviewed this guy six months later, and they only play
Speaker 1: that interview for the grand jury. They do not play
Speaker 1: the interview, you know, from right after the facts. And
Speaker 1: it's just none of these officers turn in a full
Speaker 1: load out and so so you know, when they're counting
Speaker 1: their rounds, none of these officers I seen have the
Speaker 1: amount of bullets are supposed to have all these bullets
Speaker 1: that are in this place. They only recovered half of
Speaker 1: the mill and p D did and they couldn't match
Speaker 1: some of them to any of these guns. And you've
Speaker 1: got so many other things going on, but it seems
Speaker 1: pretty damn obvious that Daniel Cameron made a political decision
Speaker 1: very early on that my allegiance and loyalty to this
Speaker 1: FOP to make it, just like you're talking about Trump's
Speaker 1: punning tended any justice that this woman in this family deserves.
Speaker 1: And all that grand jury got to hear was twenty
Speaker 1: hours worth of whatever they knew would be enough to
Speaker 1: basically tell all of us, Hey, they heard a full case.
Speaker 1: And he just thought because of the grand jury secrecy
Speaker 1: that he'd be able to get out of there and say, listen,
Speaker 1: you know we put on twenty hours worth of testimony
Speaker 1: and evidence and witnesses. I'm sorry, but this grand jury
Speaker 1: decided not to indict. Thank you. Not to indict to
Speaker 1: me is a lie? A lie? Right? It can't. You
Speaker 1: can't say someone decided not to do something that they
Speaker 1: would never it was never an option to do in
Speaker 1: the first place. And but I want to ask you so,
Speaker 1: is then because everybody's like what can we do? Right,
Speaker 1: So we want to talk about that, but before there
Speaker 1: is the issue of the one person who is the
Speaker 1: witness that said he did hear an announcement of police
Speaker 1: being on the other side of the door. And this
Speaker 1: is important because what we're talking about. Folks have this
Speaker 1: idea that no knock warrants means there's no not That's
Speaker 1: not what a no knock warrant is. It can be.
Speaker 1: It could mean that they just show up, they don't knock,
Speaker 1: and they just break the door down and do what
Speaker 1: they have to do. But no knock has other elements,
Speaker 1: meaning that they don't have to announce who's on the
Speaker 1: other side of the door. Right, They have the right
Speaker 1: to enter without you understanding who is actually at your door,
Speaker 1: right right. Okay, So when we say that they did
Speaker 1: not that they use a no knock warrant, what we're saying,
Speaker 1: or what I understand to be clear, is that they
Speaker 1: did not, which is what woke uh excuse me Kenny
Speaker 1: and Brianna up out of their sleep and other people
Speaker 1: because other people are saying they heard some banging. But
Speaker 1: when Kenny and Brianna approached she I think I heard
Speaker 1: him say kept saying who is it? Who is it?
Speaker 1: Who is because we clear this is Brianna's apartment, right,
Speaker 1: So Kenny is there with her as her boyfriend who's
Speaker 1: there with her? But she's basically hello, hello at my house?
Speaker 1: Who the heck is at the door and there's no
Speaker 1: response from the other side based upon what Kenny said.
Speaker 1: And however, how many other three witnesses? So I said
Speaker 1: twelve somewhere that they I gotta getting stuff there. I've
Speaker 1: so twenty three other people. So they didn't hear anything,
Speaker 1: but they have produced for the grand jury one person
Speaker 1: who y'all tell us about this, this person, but one
Speaker 1: person whose story is is different. His story is different.
Speaker 1: And that was the only witness I'm just making sure
Speaker 1: that was presented to the grand jury. Asked to whether
Speaker 1: or not the police announced themselves. Kind of okay, So,
Speaker 1: so what was bad about this is when Daniel Cameron
Speaker 1: got up in Grand Standard and said these officers knocked
Speaker 1: and announced. He made a very good point. Under a
Speaker 1: law United States Supreme Court law, a no knock warrant
Speaker 1: means that you can just beat the door down and
Speaker 1: go right in. A knock and announced situation means you
Speaker 1: have to knock and announce. You can't just knock and
Speaker 1: beat down the damn door. You have to announce. This
Speaker 1: warrant had been converted to a knock and announced warrant,
Speaker 1: so they were required by law. It was done that day,
Speaker 1: and it was done that day because had it been
Speaker 1: a no knock they would have had to score it
Speaker 1: differently and the swap team would have had to have
Speaker 1: been present. They wanted to hit that house for who
Speaker 1: knows what reason, but they converted it to a knock
Speaker 1: and announce. So where it's really important to me is
Speaker 1: if they did not announce, they did not comply with
Speaker 1: the warrant as it had been converted. To slow it
Speaker 1: all the way down, because you know, I'm, i'm, I'm
Speaker 1: to do with little things. I need to understand you.
Speaker 1: Basically what you're saying is the no knock warrant has
Speaker 1: a different criteria. The no knock warrant means that you
Speaker 1: could just not You don't have to say anything, You
Speaker 1: just bust the door down and run in. It's more dangerous, definitely,
Speaker 1: with the knock and announce means that you have to
Speaker 1: knock and say it's us, the police before you enter
Speaker 1: into them it's more than that. You have to give
Speaker 1: them at least a reasonable amount of time to comply.
Speaker 1: So it's not like you can just start banging that
Speaker 1: door saying you know, with that ram saying police search warrant. No,
Speaker 1: you're not giving them time. So yeah, because I see,
Speaker 1: this is a new detail every day, just by the
Speaker 1: way this case, every day a new detail comes out.
Speaker 1: I was under the impression that they were only then
Speaker 1: I did here's something about a conversion. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just can't, I can't. My brain just can't take anymore.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that at first they had a
Speaker 1: no knock all. They applied for a no knock correct
Speaker 1: that was approved, that was approved, and then something happens
Speaker 1: internally they converted it from a no knock warrant to
Speaker 1: it not gonna announce because they were like, in order
Speaker 1: for us to do this no knock thing, we gotta
Speaker 1: be able to send all these other guys we got
Speaker 1: to do. We don't have to. We can't do that.
Speaker 1: So that's why one of the worms that that we
Speaker 1: negotiated during the settlement was that if you're gonna ask
Speaker 1: for a no knock warrant or what no knock warrants
Speaker 1: are being in Louisville. So but when you send in
Speaker 1: that warrant after day or the warrn after davit and
Speaker 1: the SWAP matrix, so that's a SWAT matrix is a
Speaker 1: form that officers have to fill out when they're going
Speaker 1: to execute a search warrant. You get a certain score,
Speaker 1: you have to use SWADE or how in a middle
Speaker 1: score you have to consult with SWAT to see us
Speaker 1: what's going to and then if it's a lower score,
Speaker 1: you don't have to consult SWAT at all. So that's
Speaker 1: all the matrix is. Because they changed then from a
Speaker 1: no knock to not going announce allegedly after getting the
Speaker 1: no knock warrant approved. A lot of people SWAT was
Speaker 1: under the impression that there was not going to be
Speaker 1: a warrant executed at Brianna's house. But what we wanted
Speaker 1: to do is you can't change once you applied for
Speaker 1: if you're supposed to have SWAT. And the reason we
Speaker 1: say swats because they they're accustomed to execute these types
Speaker 1: of warrants. They're typically they do it in a in
Speaker 1: a safer manner than officers not trained them to SWAP
Speaker 1: and so that's why. So now you have to get
Speaker 1: to feel out that you have to get that SAT
Speaker 1: matrix approved by a commanding officer before you even go
Speaker 1: to a judge. So you can't just go call the
Speaker 1: judge in the middle of the night or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: that's how we say, you call the judge in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and say hey, I got a
Speaker 1: warrant and bringing them back and you sign all of
Speaker 1: these Okay, you know, it's very administrative, uh, in terms
Speaker 1: of what we think the process is right now. And
Speaker 1: we've had judges to say that if you're not careful,
Speaker 1: you find yourself signing warrants like you're pushing paper and
Speaker 1: not really doing the work to understand what I'm signing
Speaker 1: here and how people's lives could be put into danger
Speaker 1: you know because of it. So now I just going
Speaker 1: back because I want to make sure what we're saying
Speaker 1: is that once this warrant was conversed. So first of all,
Speaker 1: even if it had just been a no knock warrant,
Speaker 1: the premise that they used to apply for it for
Speaker 1: the AFFI David application whatever was always false because they
Speaker 1: were using the fact that there were suspicious packages going
Speaker 1: to Brianna's home and um and and that that made
Speaker 1: her house the track house, right, So that was always
Speaker 1: false with the post office, that no, no, no, And
Speaker 1: I thought the post Office said no once exactly, they
Speaker 1: said no four times and said it in a way
Speaker 1: that was the last time, as far as I can see,
Speaker 1: was like, don't ask us again, because we're not getting
Speaker 1: involved with whatever it is you're trying to do. No
Speaker 1: no suspicious packages. Right, So that even if it was
Speaker 1: no knock, that was already botched that whole piece. Now
Speaker 1: we turned around and find out what I'm learning right
Speaker 1: here is that it got converted because at some point
Speaker 1: internally they were like no, swat, no this, no that, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just do a knock and annax. So they went
Speaker 1: there and still twenty three people say they heard no
Speaker 1: one ounce Smith, including Kenny, who says he's I don't
Speaker 1: hear anything, and he calls the police on the police
Speaker 1: the Native and Sam once that you're good, you said,
Speaker 1: like you got the case, and well calls the polly
Speaker 1: do you have it at? So hello and you don't
Speaker 1: even say the police are here, saying you don't even
Speaker 1: say the police are here. We don't know why we're here, Kenny,
Speaker 1: He doesn't say, well, I think there's cops outside my door. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's the bottom line. Okay, Well, you know some
Speaker 1: people you gotta get because they get. So now let's
Speaker 1: talk about the one guy. Tell me about so the
Speaker 1: one guy. So you got Daniel Cameron getting up here
Speaker 1: saying these cops nothing announced. We've got this magic witness
Speaker 1: you know, says you know he was close proximity whatever
Speaker 1: he lived, he's twenty three, lived just as close. So
Speaker 1: you got this one guy who doesn't speak very good English,
Speaker 1: who is called March twenty and on this phone call,
Speaker 1: which is recorded, you know you got the LMPD internal affairs.
Speaker 1: I try to use the words that everybody will know.
Speaker 1: You know, we got these fancy terms like but internal
Speaker 1: affairs calls him, basically says you know, hey, did you
Speaker 1: you know what was going on? What's your story? First
Speaker 1: of all, poor guy stories, all messed up. He says it.
Speaker 1: SWAT's already out there by the time he gets outside.
Speaker 1: SWAT's not out there until fifteen twenty minutes after Brown
Speaker 1: is killed. But then they asked him point blank, did
Speaker 1: you hear any announcing? No, there was no announcing, you know,
Speaker 1: and then they reach out to him again, Hey, did
Speaker 1: you hear any announcing? No, there was no announcing. And
Speaker 1: then three months later they reach out to him again,
Speaker 1: and who knows what happened and who knows how they,
Speaker 1: you know, coordinated it. But at that point he says
Speaker 1: he heard some announcing. We know from body cameras that afterwards,
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, he's there because he works late.
Speaker 1: His two year old daughters babysat there. He picks her up,
Speaker 1: puts her in his arms, and leaves, and we hear
Speaker 1: him on SWAT body camera, you know, basically saying I
Speaker 1: want to go home? Can I go home? And we're
Speaker 1: not even convinced that he went out into the hallway beforehand,
Speaker 1: because all of his story relates to after SWAT is
Speaker 1: already unseen. He's saying, all the officers had uniforms, and
Speaker 1: we saw the big SWAT vehicle out there. So this
Speaker 1: magic witness, So basically, you're telling me that the magic
Speaker 1: witness on two prior occasions said that he didn't hear
Speaker 1: any of it here announce, and then the third time, monthsly,
Speaker 1: the magically he remembers that he did correct. And this
Speaker 1: is the witness that they had too to um corroborate
Speaker 1: this story that they did not get announce. Now, just
Speaker 1: to throw something in though the grand jury did hear
Speaker 1: from all of the not all of them, but several
Speaker 1: other witnesses they out to hear interviews. All of them
Speaker 1: told the grand jury through interviews point blank, nah, there
Speaker 1: was no you know, there was no announcing. And this
Speaker 1: grand jury was a great grand jury. There is no
Speaker 1: way this grand jury was ever going to deduce that
Speaker 1: there was These officers were announcing. But the problem is
Speaker 1: they didn't have any charges to and they weren't educated
Speaker 1: on self defense law or the concept of initial aggressor
Speaker 1: or the conversion to not you know, to knock and
Speaker 1: announce warrant. So Daniel Cameron's trying to make it sound
Speaker 1: like this isn't a big deal. This is a very
Speaker 1: big deal. And yeah, and we know they weren't educated
Speaker 1: on self defense law because Daniel Cameron himself doesn't know
Speaker 1: the self defense because the things he said, because of
Speaker 1: things he said exactly, so could we we've heard, well,
Speaker 1: we heard that there were supposedly to other jurors. One
Speaker 1: juror has already got a lawyer that wants to speak
Speaker 1: up about you like you with the phone calls in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: because I don'tly know about once did there's another one.
Speaker 1: I'm talking. Well, I'm just saying, I'm just doing my research.
Speaker 1: I'm checked. You know, you know that this another came
Speaker 1: forward so Wednesday, you know so, so I guess court
Speaker 1: here he's are going to decide, hopefully whether or not
Speaker 1: these Grand jurors are basically given immunity and protection to
Speaker 1: come out and speak their mind. And frankly, Daniel Cameron
Speaker 1: opened that door when he tried to put all this
Speaker 1: on them. They absolutely, in my opinion, have the rights
Speaker 1: come out and basically set the records straight. As soon
Speaker 1: as that man decided to get up there and basically
Speaker 1: put it on them, they have the absolute right to say,
Speaker 1: how dare you? You never gave us the opportunity. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see if Daniel Cameron takes back
Speaker 1: his word from last week, which wouldn't surprise me. Last
Speaker 1: week he basically said we're not going to stop these
Speaker 1: Grand jurors if they want to talk, basically gave them
Speaker 1: immunity himself. But we'll find out about Wednesday if he's
Speaker 1: gonna hold true to his word, or if we're gonna
Speaker 1: get some sort of response that says, no, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: we don't want him needed more time to get the
Speaker 1: transcripts ready to put out, which you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: I saw on your Facebook post it was like, we
Speaker 1: want it done now. But you can understand why the
Speaker 1: judge would allow him to have additional time. And I
Speaker 1: think he asked for a week knowing that he would
Speaker 1: only get a few days. But if he had asked
Speaker 1: for a day, then you know it wouldn't have necessarily
Speaker 1: worked out as it did. I called him a coward. I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, just gonna put it out there, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. Wicked too. I called him, well, it
Speaker 1: was wicked to have to make upon major there. I
Speaker 1: called him a coward because he didn't tell her. He
Speaker 1: didn't have the gust of the charges. Weren't we're not
Speaker 1: related to Brianna. He is a coward because he didn't
Speaker 1: have the nerve to get up there and tell the
Speaker 1: country we cleared these officers internally, and we didn't get
Speaker 1: the grand jury and opportunity to actually even deliberate on them,
Speaker 1: because you know what, as prosecutors we have the discretion
Speaker 1: to clear officers and know potential defendants internally, and we
Speaker 1: chose to do that. He tried to put it on
Speaker 1: the grand jury. That's no, we don't want to know.
Speaker 1: Let's take I want to know that this is politicians.
Speaker 1: He's like to me, he's like to meet the PAM.
Speaker 1: But you got to call him all the time as
Speaker 1: they take that down, take that down, and we're getting
Speaker 1: a wrap. I can't. I'm gonna help you call him that.
Speaker 1: So can we talk about what's next because we're going
Speaker 1: to wrap it up. But people want to know, you
Speaker 1: said at the court here, we want to know this hope, right,
Speaker 1: We want to know this hope son. We want to
Speaker 1: know that there's some hope. Okay. So we've been scouring
Speaker 1: through case law and speaking with former attorney generals and
Speaker 1: all of this, and there's some hope. But we need help, Okay.
Speaker 1: So in Kentucky we got Kentucky Prosecutor's Advisory Council. There
Speaker 1: was a judge of wrote an opinion once who say
Speaker 1: a point blank and agreed victim like it to make
Speaker 1: a palmer in the situation if she feels like a
Speaker 1: prosecutor was unwilling or you know, incapable of presenting charges
Speaker 1: that you can actually go to this body and this
Speaker 1: body can rule on it, and if they agree, they
Speaker 1: have the discretion to a point an independent special prosecutor.
Speaker 1: It sounds like what we need, right, Daniel Cameron's ahead
Speaker 1: of that Prosecutor's advisory Council. Oh, come on, all right.
Speaker 1: So so obviously we need to recusal. We need to
Speaker 1: really put pressure on these prosecutors to show that the
Speaker 1: courage to do the right thing definitely takes precedence and
Speaker 1: is more important than trying to appease the head prosecutor
Speaker 1: in the state. It's about looking for potential prosecutors across
Speaker 1: the state that may be willing to actually say, hey,
Speaker 1: if this is a resource thing, I'd be willing to
Speaker 1: look into this, I'd be willing to take this on.
Speaker 1: So it's about identifying some people that maybe have the
Speaker 1: courage to say listen and you know, yeah, let me
Speaker 1: do it. I'll take it on um. And it's about
Speaker 1: putting pressure on Daniel Cameron to say, listen, you know
Speaker 1: you don't think I did my job, fine, I'll appointed
Speaker 1: special prosecutor. That's a last resort if you ask me though,
Speaker 1: because then he gets to pick who he sends it to.
Speaker 1: And we've already seen how this political propaganda and system works.
Speaker 1: Do you really think he's going to send it to,
Speaker 1: you know, a Democratic prosecutor that really has the courage
Speaker 1: or Republican prosecutor. That wasn't fair for me to say
Speaker 1: that the prosecutor that's gonna have the courage to really
Speaker 1: present to a grand jury. That's all we're asking for
Speaker 1: present and actually just giving the opportunity to die, and
Speaker 1: they do or they don't. And they do or they don't.
Speaker 1: And it would have to be a new brand jury. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Our grand juries are set each month, so it would
Speaker 1: definitely be a one a new grand jury. And we
Speaker 1: got the federal investigation. Let's not forget about that. I know,
Speaker 1: but but we want justice. Also want and that's a
Speaker 1: Midnight at the Dark Street politicians conversation. They want to know, like,
Speaker 1: what do we do to make Daniel cam And pay
Speaker 1: for what he did in this situation? He didn't do
Speaker 1: his job, He wasn't professional. Um, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: have been saying that you feel like he was incompetent
Speaker 1: in many ways. I say that it was not incompetence
Speaker 1: to me, because I think there were other people there
Speaker 1: who knew what to do and that and that they
Speaker 1: made a decision. That is just. I mean, he thinks
Speaker 1: he can talk to us like we're stupid, and that
Speaker 1: to me makes me feel so disrespectful. So I guess
Speaker 1: elections have consequences, and the conversation that we've got to
Speaker 1: have as a community to bunker down and say, how
Speaker 1: do we ensure that if he ever runs for office,
Speaker 1: not just here, but anywhere that he would like to go,
Speaker 1: that we've put a stop on his tracks or in
Speaker 1: his tracks immediately, because he does not deserve to ever
Speaker 1: and to have this type of position, to have a
Speaker 1: position where this is a this is not uh that
Speaker 1: he's you know, not just I don't want to say just.
Speaker 1: He's not the city council member, which is an important
Speaker 1: position as well. This is the attorney general prosecutor if
Speaker 1: you will, in the state. And we have no faith.
Speaker 1: This community has been broken and and broken by Brianna's murder,
Speaker 1: but beyond that, broken by an injust system that continuously
Speaker 1: perpetuates violence against our communities. And so we want to
Speaker 1: say thank you, thank you, thank you for what you
Speaker 1: all are doing. This wasn't enough. Thank you for everything.
Speaker 1: Until freedom is do We have been such a blessing.
Speaker 1: We don't want we gotta go home at some point,
Speaker 1: but we this wasn't enough. We got to have these
Speaker 1: conversations because what we're gonna do is put this out
Speaker 1: and we're going to allow people to send us some
Speaker 1: questions of things that they want to know so we
Speaker 1: can come back and talk specifically to the audience about
Speaker 1: things that they're trying to figure out. Hey, you never know,
Speaker 1: there may be some new prosecutors that are being groomed
Speaker 1: just because of Brianna Taylor. Yeah, we just want to
Speaker 1: We want to highlight because people don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: We don't know what the next stage is. So listening
Speaker 1: to you and you're telling us what it is. Whatever
Speaker 1: we can do with our platform to help that process,
Speaker 1: to educate people, to people in Louisville and let some
Speaker 1: of these prosecutors know we want them to step up,
Speaker 1: you know, and hold these people accountable. That's what we
Speaker 1: want to do. So thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thankank you both so much, and everybody until freedom, Thank
Speaker 1: you alute, Attorney Lanita Baser and attorney Sam Agyar have
Speaker 1: been with us today talking about Brianna Taylor. This is
Speaker 1: a series that we are doing on the Brianna Taylor matter.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call it Brianna Taylor case because she
Speaker 1: does not have a case, never had a case. Uh.
Speaker 1: The cases actually should have been against four officers, Brett Hankinson,
Speaker 1: John Matten, Lee Miles Cosgrove, and Joshua James. Let's make
Speaker 1: sure we add the person who was responsible for the
Speaker 1: no knock warrant application process that did all the lion
Speaker 1: in the first place. That's the that's who have it.
Speaker 1: That's the people who should have a case. Brianna Taylor
Speaker 1: is life, though matters, and so in the matter of
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, we're gonna be talking about this with a
Speaker 1: lot of people here in Louisville and across the country
Speaker 1: who have been a part of the efforts to get
Speaker 1: justice for her. You heard from her family, You've heard
Speaker 1: from her attorney. Now we're going to be hearing from
Speaker 1: some of the state legislators who have picked up legislation
Speaker 1: in Brianna's name, some of the activists that have been
Speaker 1: on the ground, and we want to hear from you, Yes,
Speaker 1: we do listen. Once again, we might not always be right,
Speaker 1: we might not always be wrong, and we definitely don't
Speaker 1: always agree, but we're gonna always be a three politicians peace.
Speaker 1: That's how the