WEBVTT - Breonna Taylor Episode 1

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<v Speaker 1>Politicians on my son and I'm to make a d.

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<v Speaker 1>Mallory and this is the place where the streets and

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Effect Podcast Network. I gotta say it right,

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<v Speaker 1>The Black Effect Podcast networks a lot of words, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it says all the things, all the things. It's

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<v Speaker 1>black people talking about black issues. Um, and it's through

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<v Speaker 1>a black person who's committed to social justice, committed to

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<v Speaker 1>black culture. And we are too excited to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to have our podcasts have some distribution. Is that's what

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<v Speaker 1>he says. It's blackety black, andy black. So that's the

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<v Speaker 1>new thing that folks need to know about Street Politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're working on making sure that our podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyable for all of you. We won't just be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about politics. I know a lot of people think that, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're just all we do all day long

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<v Speaker 1>is get up, go to sleep doing politics politics, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why we called it Street Politicians, so that

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk about things that's going on just on

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<v Speaker 1>the streets in the world. This week, we got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff going on. Our organization Until Freedom is

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<v Speaker 1>very very busy, and my son has been running around.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been out in the street with Traded Truth, acting

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<v Speaker 1>like y'all the artists or something, doing some type of album.

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<v Speaker 1>First and foremost, I wrapped my ass. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>first form. You do that sometimes, but you've been running

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<v Speaker 1>around all day at night acting like y'all putting something

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<v Speaker 1>and again, but shout out to my boy trade too.

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<v Speaker 1>We literally just got the phone. We're putting together this

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<v Speaker 1>album called If You're Scared Stay Inside. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best albums of this ship because it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's our perspective, like being on the front lines of

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<v Speaker 1>this movement and also being from the hood and having

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<v Speaker 1>merged in that perspective. So we put together a soundtrack

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<v Speaker 1>to the movement, like the soundtrack to the front line

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie. Yeah, why does it so? Why does

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<v Speaker 1>it have to be so hard? Like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I talk big stuff sometimes, so I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble because my mouth, you know, so I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that I don't agree. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>that there are some people who may say, why does

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<v Speaker 1>it have to be like if you're scared, stay at

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<v Speaker 1>home instead of it being more inviting and friendly for people.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's usually more than likely it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>scared person to ask you that question. Because if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not scared, then you get why I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>that because a lot of people are scared. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>few of us that orange scared scared of what this

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<v Speaker 1>period to be outside, to be on the front line,

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<v Speaker 1>to utilize your voice, to sacrifice, you know. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is what it is, and this is who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We are alpha males who staying on the front line

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<v Speaker 1>besides our black sisters, you know, protecting our black sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>will in the sacrifice for our black sisters. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the perspective that we come from. So just like

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<v Speaker 1>in the movement, it's not like if you're scared of

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<v Speaker 1>not because we've evolved past that. We have. If we

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<v Speaker 1>bolt past it, now we we with it. If we're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be oppressed, we're not gonna let you beat

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<v Speaker 1>us up. We ain't gonna let you harm us, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. But we we don't advocate for

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<v Speaker 1>that type of life style. Now we just will wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>We're willing to meet you where you are. Understand that

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<v Speaker 1>the evolution stay inside the evolution of a street hood. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're willing to meet you where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't advocate for anybody, right, but we definitely running

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Well, we talked about you guys being out

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<v Speaker 1>here day and night acting y'all put until until I

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<v Speaker 1>hear it, y'all are acting like y'all doing something and

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<v Speaker 1>just using it as a reason for you in Trade

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<v Speaker 1>to be in Kentucky moving around meeting people, and y'all going,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where you're actually reported this count in

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<v Speaker 1>two days you did, you did, but now you're doing video.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the new thing. So when we're working

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<v Speaker 1>at the table, you in trade somewhere right in and

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<v Speaker 1>talking and everybody got a job to do. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>you've said. So we're still in Kentucky, Still in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been two months, two whole months. It's rough. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. You left your children, missed my kids. My

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<v Speaker 1>son's had a sacking game, and today they both score goals,

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<v Speaker 1>so I owe them gifts. You know, kissing was only

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<v Speaker 1>to him. I need to buy him a puppy. Puppy, Lord,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not buying him because the puppy turns into a

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<v Speaker 1>whole another life that I got to Yeah, he ain't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do that. He's gonna pick it up and then

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<v Speaker 1>want to start crapping all over the place. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come and get me to do it when his home,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna come. I'm not coming. I told he could get.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants something else for his rodblots game, but I

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<v Speaker 1>ain't doing nothing for them. But it's it's difficult because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, on one hand, we obviously UM made a

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<v Speaker 1>decision that I think was best for not just our organization,

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<v Speaker 1>but also just like the stress of taking planes back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth trying to get to Kentucky to stand with

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<v Speaker 1>Brianna's family would have been very taxing UM. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you always give up something like you went

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<v Speaker 1>on one side and you give up on the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we gave up the comfort of our homes, our

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<v Speaker 1>families and and all of those things and the things

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<v Speaker 1>that were used to, you know, our cars and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, to move in together with other folks and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like figure out every day how not to

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<v Speaker 1>kill each other in one space, which we haven't done bad.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been all right, because I think it's because our

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<v Speaker 1>house is segmented and you can go to your little

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<v Speaker 1>go to your space. I go to mind, which we

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<v Speaker 1>often have to do. Especially when he was having our

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<v Speaker 1>big debate last night about loving relationships. You just walked

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<v Speaker 1>out on us and said you wasn't gonna be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in that conversation because I don't. I don't really agree

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<v Speaker 1>nothing we said at all. Right, okay, so it is

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. You know, Tippy Pop doesn't agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that out yesterday. Okay, shout out to Tip

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<v Speaker 1>that's always agrees she does not. So she just was

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<v Speaker 1>telling the truth. Semika tells the truth. My son makes

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<v Speaker 1>up theory and to be like, so we went, that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you don't even finish you like, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>she said it the reason why I happened, and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be starting like the reason why I listen, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you may finished what she said before you agree. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>she would have to finish what you're saying for somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to agree with you. Tippic was like, that's right, what

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying right now, Ye, right there. Don't even finish

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<v Speaker 1>the words you left. And so that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways that we've been able to get through it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it has been difficult to be away from our loved ones,

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<v Speaker 1>to and to and to be here in Kentucky. But

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<v Speaker 1>then being in Kentucky gave us the ability to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get up and at the drop of the dime,

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<v Speaker 1>be in with the local community, be here for important moments,

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<v Speaker 1>planning organized. So many people have flown in to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of our efforts, whether it be her Roland

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<v Speaker 1>who works with the NBA and some NFL players, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be Kenny Stills, Tory Russell, who else, everybody don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to Tiffany Lofton from the n double A CP,

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie Redman from the n Double A c p uh

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<v Speaker 1>Dwana Tom, I mean, we just everybody, Stephen Green, who

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<v Speaker 1>is our main man, and it's just been and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so or traded truth. They've been able to fly in

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<v Speaker 1>and stay here to be like implants if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>In Louisville, to help with this fight to keep things going,

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<v Speaker 1>to stand with the local community. And so, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you know, you give up some, you win some,

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<v Speaker 1>you lose some, or I don't want to say lose,

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<v Speaker 1>because we never lose our loved ones. But we definitely

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<v Speaker 1>have made that sacrifice. And so now, um, while we're here,

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<v Speaker 1>what we decided. I think the first month, we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we would definitely be here from August and September and

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<v Speaker 1>we would probably go home, and then we continue to

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<v Speaker 1>stay because we realized that Brianna Taylor is not just

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who was killed. I say that all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't just killed. She was a person who had

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<v Speaker 1>a very full life. And the things that she cared

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<v Speaker 1>about in her life are things that matter to the

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<v Speaker 1>community that she left behind. So now we find ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation where we're actually building with the community,

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<v Speaker 1>working on our capacity building campaign, helping some of the

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<v Speaker 1>local organizations to grow into train and to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>ways to move forward. In light of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>this major tragedy has happened in the community and things

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<v Speaker 1>have changed. It's not the same here. Um. So so

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<v Speaker 1>I hurried from so many and we're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to activists and others. Um you know, as time goes

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<v Speaker 1>on as a part of this series that we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>on Brianna Taylor, we'll be talking to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>folks that have been involved in the case, but now

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the ground in a different way. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we hooked up with us a state representative, Attica Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>who we also will be talking to on Brianna's law,

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<v Speaker 1>which will ban no knock warrants. It was done in Louisville,

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<v Speaker 1>which we know Katura Herron from a c l U

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<v Speaker 1>and Hannah Drake and others were able to get no

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<v Speaker 1>knock warrants banned in Louisville, but not in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Kentucky and then their states all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>that still have the policy where police officers can use

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<v Speaker 1>a no knock warrant, and so we want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that that is banned, and therefore we support Brianna's law.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the goal, you know, Like you said, we realized

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<v Speaker 1>when we came here that although Brihanna was a major

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<v Speaker 1>issue and a major problem that we needed to focus on,

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<v Speaker 1>that it was so much more and that Brihanna, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>life meant so much more, and it created not only

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<v Speaker 1>just a conversation, but it created a movement that was

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<v Speaker 1>that was going to spark the world, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we realized. And we realized that we had

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<v Speaker 1>to utilize our voice, we had to utilize our platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to utilize all our resources to put them

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<v Speaker 1>here in Louisville, because right now this is ground zero

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<v Speaker 1>for the movement. What's happening here is going to shape

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<v Speaker 1>the next twenty to thirty years about of our lives. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we realized that we had an important part

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<v Speaker 1>to playing that. You know, we had to be here

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<v Speaker 1>for the family of Brianna Taylor. We had to be

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<v Speaker 1>here for just the city of Louisville, because when we

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<v Speaker 1>got here, it wasn't just us working. It became family.

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<v Speaker 1>It became like we actually we actually live in Koku

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute, took up residency temporary residency, um and

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you know, now as it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of winding down because we've got to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the road, which you know, obviously our GOOTV efforts will

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<v Speaker 1>take us around the country. And as we begin the

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<v Speaker 1>process of moving out of Kentucky, it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of sweet feeling because now we've become one

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<v Speaker 1>with people who, um, these are some passionate and very

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<v Speaker 1>courageous individuals to see people hold down Brianna's name in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that she did. That they have and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole down an actual place in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>city apart, whether it's Injustice Square apart. It's over a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years, I mean hundred over a hundred days. That's powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Like really, it's now two hundred days I think since

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<v Speaker 1>Brianna was killed. Um, and and then on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>people have been out there protesting since then, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of young people. And so it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>sweet feeling. But we'll be back. We're not going anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are going to start this GOOTV tour, which

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<v Speaker 1>also includes Kentucky because there is a major Senate race

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<v Speaker 1>happening in Kentucky, major Senate Senate. Everybody down exactly. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>likes to talk with me, not Trump and Biden. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like either one of them. But then when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to showing up at the polls, you're not just

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<v Speaker 1>going there to vote for the top of the ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, it's a down ballot issue, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know who's actually in charge of the policies,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not so much the president that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>be focused on, although we do need to vote in

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<v Speaker 1>this election like we've never voted before. However, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to be focusing on down ballot elections, vocal elections. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people that is running is the person who,

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<v Speaker 1>in my judgment, is one of the puppet masters behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes for everything that we see happening, all the

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<v Speaker 1>craziness and outrageousness of this administration, and that is Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell mconnell. Mitch McConnell, and Mitch mcconchell is no,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mitch McConnell is up against uh Is. He's actually

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<v Speaker 1>up for reelection. So in this particular election cycle, the

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<v Speaker 1>people of Kentucky have the right to decide whether he

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<v Speaker 1>goes back or not to Washington. And there's a woman

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<v Speaker 1>her named Amy McGrath who is running against him. We

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<v Speaker 1>are not telling people who would vote for, but what

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<v Speaker 1>we are saying is that if you want to see

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<v Speaker 1>a change, you have to actually do something about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you gotta show up at the polls and for

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<v Speaker 1>Our tour will be everywhere from Alabama to Georgia to Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>to Michigan to Pennsylvania. We're gonna be all across the state.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the thirteenth of this month, we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>going along with Brianna Taylor Foundation, the Brianna Taylor Foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited about the family getting this foundation off

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, um and we're going to be with them

0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and the UH the Louisville Urban League, which is led

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<v Speaker 1>by our crazy dear friend Sadiqa Reynolds. We gotta have

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<v Speaker 1>SAD and we're going to be out taking people to

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<v Speaker 1>the polls to make sure that they get there, that

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<v Speaker 1>they're able to vote and do what they need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's those things are good. Like you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta actually be not just a protester, but you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be a policymaker. Listen, we gotta turn protests into policy.

0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.400
<v Speaker 1>That's how I go. A lot of people say, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you protesting? Why are you a margin, Because that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you identify the allies. That's how you see who's

0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.360
<v Speaker 1>on the same page you are. That's how you create unity.

0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.400
<v Speaker 1>That's how you say we want this, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>can take that protest and then you turn it into policy.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a strategy. Don't question our strategy from your couch.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't arm cheer question I was strategy. Don't sit in

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<v Speaker 1>your house in question I was strategy because we know

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<v Speaker 1>what they'll say. They want to be able to question it,

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<v Speaker 1>but but don't. But you can't said, stop being critics

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<v Speaker 1>without credentials. We don't really want to hear you. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're not doing nothing. Don't tell me how to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do nothing and tell me how to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're doing something, then you can critique by something.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't critique by something if you are doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that was a bar. I mean, somebody says off,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess that's one of those opportunities for you

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<v Speaker 1>to show that you actually are working on an album.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we talk about me wrapping my ass off,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, that brings me into another topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Make the stallion. You know what I'm saying? Who I

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<v Speaker 1>actually love. I think she is just so dope I

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<v Speaker 1>was spoken. She is confident, She represents the black women

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<v Speaker 1>to the fullest to me. You know, in this week

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<v Speaker 1>she gave you a little shot out she did. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's funny because it's funny because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when Meg the Stallion first came out. You were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like and then you studied her as you do

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<v Speaker 1>with artists all the time, and he was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a fish's gonna be so because you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, when you first come out, they always bring

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<v Speaker 1>out girls. And she got a fat on this and that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd be like, O, can I hear you want you?

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<v Speaker 1>What else? You know? I'm care You've got a nice body,

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<v Speaker 1>but what else? You know what I'm saying. As I

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<v Speaker 1>started to listen to her, she had more when she

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<v Speaker 1>does interviews this content did there's a girl who was

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<v Speaker 1>in college that actually you know that actually told so

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<v Speaker 1>I understand this artistry. And then there's an individual. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I make the connection to both of them, I

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<v Speaker 1>like who she who she is and who she represents. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm super excited, super excited. And I've actually

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<v Speaker 1>had dinner with Meg, and so it's not you know

0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.840
<v Speaker 1>some people think and folks just yeah, people think that

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<v Speaker 1>people just like jump up, and I mean I never

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<v Speaker 1>went to dinner with Beyonce, but she still put me

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<v Speaker 1>on a song, so I thought that was quite incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's Beyonce. It's just a different thing. But with Meg. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so but with Meg, you know, um, we had dinner together,

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<v Speaker 1>and I learned a lot about her interests, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>how much she cares about the movement and young girls

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<v Speaker 1>and the things that she wants to do. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I found, quite honestly, is that it's like it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of artists don't know if they should

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<v Speaker 1>or should not when they should and should not because

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<v Speaker 1>they get criticized for doing it and not doing how

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<v Speaker 1>they do what they do it. But that goes into

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<v Speaker 1>like we did the double excel right exactly, the double

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<v Speaker 1>left freshman's class, which y'all told me it was so

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<v Speaker 1>cool because I didn't know what the freshman's class was

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<v Speaker 1>and now I know it was. Actually they're so amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>They amazing and they want to be was dope, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>five year old. Who lord, it was so many now

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to come up with the whole list.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, um, it was yeah, and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>great opportunity, and that's exactly what we're talking about. And

0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.160
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you don't know if you should or shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't say anything and just mind my business

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<v Speaker 1>to stay under the radar, at what point they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>attack me for it if I do say something? How

0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.399
<v Speaker 1>what went and where? And so we were having that

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and then all of a sudden, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>call from Kevin Lows, who actually is on our board

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<v Speaker 1>UM and it's a great friend of mine. His company

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<v Speaker 1>is the management team for Meg, and they said they,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, wanted to put a clip of my speech

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<v Speaker 1>in something that Meg was doing. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, and I don't do this at home.

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<v Speaker 1>They sent me a release form and that because because

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that I know Meg well, not even

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<v Speaker 1>just knowing Meg, I know Kevin very well. I have lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked at it real quick, never listened to it, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look at anything, don't know what's going on. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, if it's good and I'm not to be

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble, sign it. Don't ever do that, read it,

0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.160
<v Speaker 1>pay attention, focus and make sure you're doing the right thing.

0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.119
<v Speaker 1>But I was like, sign it because it's Kevin. I

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<v Speaker 1>trust him with my life. And the next thing. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>people start texting me talking about SNL, Meg the Stallion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh my god, this is so dang

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<v Speaker 1>on incredible. And in fact, one of our guests, attorney

0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Linita Baker, was the first person to hit me up

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<v Speaker 1>and tell me that I was on SNL. I just

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I was sitting there, like I told her, WHOA,

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<v Speaker 1>that's big. That was my response because I was so

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<v Speaker 1>shocked about it. It's a good thing, but you know,

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:42.240
<v Speaker 1>it's really over there over there clapping. But that brings

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<v Speaker 1>me to my question of the day, my thought of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. You know, I watched the comments sometimes too much,

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<v Speaker 1>too much, and I see all of these people writing

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<v Speaker 1>that because Meg and her hit song. But you know,

0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I was in big trouble about why I was. They

0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 1>was They went crazy when I said that I supported on.

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you, they was so mad. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was over there telling them that why is the number

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<v Speaker 1>one selling thing in the world. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how all of a sudden, when it's been selling from

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<v Speaker 1>artists to artists, been selling from Uji Wally Bang Bang

0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>to Erica. Kids sold it too. I mean we've been

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<v Speaker 1>selling it. In fact, not only people selling it. Some

0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:33.720
<v Speaker 1>people are using it, but that's a whole different thing,

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.040
<v Speaker 1>um and and the people buying it. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So like now, all of a sudden, when Meg and

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<v Speaker 1>Cardi do it, because of the fact that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know it's it. It is explicit, we

0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.840
<v Speaker 1>know that, but it's also lights Cameron's action. But there

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.200
<v Speaker 1>are young people watching them. But they are young people.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what I mean, my thought of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you could argue with me, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>got to move one. So the thing about it, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that what I struggle with is this judgment that

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:08.400
<v Speaker 1>people have of celebrities. It's just if these folks are

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<v Speaker 1>just perfect individuals who just do everything one way all

0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the time. That is not the reality of human beings.

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Human beings are very multidimensional. Some days we want to twork,

0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 1>some days we want to dance, Some days we want

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<v Speaker 1>to sing, some days we want to pray, some days

0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to get up out the bed. We

0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.400
<v Speaker 1>go through different things, right, And the thing that I think,

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<v Speaker 1>or my my thought is that I'm trying to help

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<v Speaker 1>other people to come with me on this journey. Is

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<v Speaker 1>why is it that just because Meg is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>why she's talking about savages, She's talking all of this

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 1>good stuff for bad stuff, however you want to categorize it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's extremely sexy, she's you know, and and and it

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:56.440
<v Speaker 1>is very explicit at times a lot of times. Why

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>does that mean that she can't care about her community

0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 1>or can't care about like you think that they care

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.440
<v Speaker 1>whether you are a dancer or a ball player or

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer. When they pull you over in the car

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<v Speaker 1>and they kill you, they don't check your credentials of

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. So why is it that she is

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<v Speaker 1>not able to be an explicit, uh, sexy, confident artist

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<v Speaker 1>who has number one hits right and at the same

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.919
<v Speaker 1>time say Brianna Taylor, like because she could have been

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.919
<v Speaker 1>in her house and been Brianna Taylor. So I'm just

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.719
<v Speaker 1>and and mind you, some of the very people talking

0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:37.719
<v Speaker 1>about this, they out here selling what themselves to understand

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that's once again critics with our credentials, sh critics who's

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting at home and talk And you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we always want to call celebrities and influences

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<v Speaker 1>to the table and say why aren't you saying this

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 1>why aren't you using your platform to talk about these things?

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And then we criticize, and when they actually do so,

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it gives makes a lot of artists say I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say anything because I want to deal with the criticism,

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I haven't actually lived my life in

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect way. So when I talk about things that

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 1>are subsequent to our lives, you know that really matter

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to our culture. That's you know, how we are in

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:15.920
<v Speaker 1>danger right now. So when I talk about those things,

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't want to hear the backlash of

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.159
<v Speaker 1>people saying that I'm a hypocrite. I'm not a hypocrite.

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I want. I like to talk about why I'm coming

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>to the street. I talk about is do we have

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to create a list of like the perfect artists. There's

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the bottom line. Let me tell yourself, there's no perfect anything.

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Every we want. This is what until freedom, and you

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>see these things. Until freedom is about anyone who wants

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:47.640
<v Speaker 1>to betterment of our people, wants to see us evolve. Anybody,

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>there is an intersection for you in this movement. You

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.479
<v Speaker 1>can we expandex you can work in the strip club,

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you can come home from jail. You want to change

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 1>your life around. You could be on the corner, You

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 1>could have been in a gang if you just side

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 1>that you want to see better for your people and

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to do better, and you want to utilize

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.440
<v Speaker 1>your voice in your platform. This is what we were

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 1>actually and see that's what I think, and we we

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.679
<v Speaker 1>need to do a whole new show. And also we

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 1>got to talk to Meg because there's so much I think.

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I think she needs to be a part of it.

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to talk to Cardi Um so

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>we can haves, so we can have these Concardi loves you.

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 1>She always my brother, my brother, my son UM, and

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.439
<v Speaker 1>she's been extremely supportive of us, and I think we

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>need to have this conversation. But I also think that

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>we need to do a show with our co founders

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>just to talk about who we're after, because there's this

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>perception that I can't believe to Mika would and I

0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>have to explain because I got calls from preachers and

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 1>others saying, well, you shouldn't allow them to use you

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.600
<v Speaker 1>in this way. And when I finished explain it to them,

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the audience that I'm after, I'm not after you, Reverend,

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.640
<v Speaker 1>like I want you to be an ally with me

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and I hope that we can work together, that I

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>could bring you in to help support what the growth

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of some of these young folks and to be a

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>part of the family that we're creating. But you are

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>not the audience that I am trying to go after.

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for the ones who are following Meg the Stallion.

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>That's who I want to talk to, want to want,

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>we want the right I wanted to. Don't say they

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>don't say listen to what I'm saying to people who

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>have been edged out. But that's not true. Because because no,

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>because don't want because no, because because because there are

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 1>there are people who are at the top of the game.

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I understand that, but don't be associate in the least

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>of these. No, you said that because I was just

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.719
<v Speaker 1>speaking to it doesn't matter. I was speaking about the

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>audience that we're after, and then you inserted your word

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and said, we want the least of these and what

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, don't do so I say that in your

0:25:55.960 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>time when that is an other part of it. But

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not even whether it's the least of these, it

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>is a mentality that people have that they are free,

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>that they free falling and they're sexy that they don't

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:13.199
<v Speaker 1>they're not bound by some of the things that we

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>have learned that you got to be a certain type

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 1>of thing. Your skirt gotta be under your knees and

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>this in order for you to be respected in the movement.

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that that's we want that too, right,

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>we want those people to be with us, to be

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>allies with us. But if we are going to actually

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 1>make a change in society, we've got to go to

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.239
<v Speaker 1>and meet our people where they are. And they are

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 1>not always in the church in the in the right

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>places and the right spaces. Sometimes you actually got to

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>go get them out of the joke joint. Like, that's

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>just what it is. So what I mean by the

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>least of these is not to deter anybody or talk

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>down but the people whose society says that, the people

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>with society deemed not able to speak on these things,

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the people who a lot of organizations would have been like,

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>these people are not politically correct, so we can't be

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you cleaned it up. Well, that's what I meant, But

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that is what you mean because you definitely because I'm

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the least of these, well people say that about you

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you say that all the time. This is this joke,

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>running joke that we have. And we got to move on.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Where when I told you, like my son, don't lean

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>on the garbage can, or my son you shouldn't eat that,

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>did you see that the shrump still has the little

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>piece of poop in it? And this and that, And

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>then you'll say to me, I was in jail for

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>seven years, and if I thought the way that you said,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>if I thought the way that you're speaking, you wouldn't

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to survive. But you're not in jail anymore. I get you. Know.

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 1>What I'm trying to is that I know how to

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>adapt to anything. I don't need to sleep on the bed.

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>I can see on the couch, I can see on

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the rug. I'm gonna survive. But we're not doing that anymore.

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a quick break and we come back.

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>We're going to be joined by the family and be

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>on the two. So we're back and we are here

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>with folks that I consider to be family. We considered

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to be family family to until freedom, but family to

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 1>us personally, and that is the family of Brianna Taylor.

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.400
<v Speaker 1>But not just family Brianna's mom. To make a Palmer

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and her sister, Jenia Palmer, who actually lived in the

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>house with Brianna all the way until this tragic incident occurred.

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And so thank you all, first of all for being

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>with us on street politicians today. Thank you for having us. Yeah,

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>we're excited. You know. They don't like to they don't

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>like to do anything, like to do anything. So we

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 1>we special. We called we FaceTime, like we need you

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to come to Like, all right, I'll be there, she says,

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>know that ever all the time, every time I try

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to get it to speaks. So when she like I

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>put the micy, she just looks at me, and I

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>can understand. It's not anything to talk about. It's not

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>like somebody's asking me to about your favorite album or

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, a hairstyle or something like. You know, we're

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>asking you to talk about a real, real, real, deep, tragic,

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>dark situation that you're living with every single day. And

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>to not be in the spotlight all the time and

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>then be thrust into the spotlight um and again, not

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>because you had a hit song or the best clothing

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but because of the death, the murder of

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>your loved one. Is got to be a hard place absolutely,

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing else to say. It's just a hard place,

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. So let's see. I think for

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>me and and and my son and I were talking

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot about how to how to really approach this

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>interview because um we we also we love y'all so

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>much that we don't want to put you through having

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>to talk about things that we know. I've seen you

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>cringe when people ask you to make my main faith

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>by the way we spell it the same and everything. Um,

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>when people ask you to try to go back to

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>everything that has happened, especially that night I see it

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>on your face, is like the worst thing to have

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to relive that. And oftentimes people who are in media,

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we don't like to think of ourselves as being in media,

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>but we are. Um people they don't they don't understand

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>like the nature of like how real it is and

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>how how what's the word this is not like for TV,

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's you know, it's a real thing that you're

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>dealing with, And so they just ask the same questions

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and just constantly probing, looking for the thing that just

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of breaks you down so they could get the shot,

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I and we were like, we're just

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>not doing that, that's not what we wanted to do. Um,

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>And so we decided that people can just go do

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the research on that night. I think the FX documentary

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that The New York Times did is actually a good documentary.

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's perfect, and I don't even know

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>because we never discussed it, but I saw some things

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that I know weren't exactly accurate. But it is a

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>good way to help people understand the basics around what happened.

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Your voice is in it, Kenny's voices in the documentary, um,

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>and so if people want to know and Jenia right,

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think I have interview, but okay, so we

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>gotta fix that because you're a powerful voice. But we'll

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 1>get to that in a minute. But um, you know,

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>we decided that people should go watch things like that

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to get the beginning. You know, at first, we were like,

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>are we gonna ask about that night now? Because it's

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>everywhere you talked about it over and over again, and

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>so with ware, I think we should start. And what

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>we decided was that the thing that has us the

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>most piste off and I keep talking about this over

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and over and over again, is that leading up to

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the last days before we heard from Daniel Cameron, the

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Attorney General. Sam Agar your attorney told me, and

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I checked with him to make sure I wasn't in

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>trouble for telling this, but he said it was okay.

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>That he spoke with the Attorney General's office and he

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>told them, please do not have Tamika and her family

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>go all the way to Frankfort, which is an hour

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>away from home. I guess, y'all people that speed really

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>fast here. This is the only place, by the way

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>where we go. Anywhere else people don't drive right, But

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky we have been complaining about how y'all drive.

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Y'all drive a little fast here. Um, but this ride

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>for forty minutes or hour or whatever to get to

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Frankfort to hear a bullshit decision. We didn't want that, right,

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>He said, don't have them come for something that you

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>know is going to upset her one. And I think

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>if he said, um, because the ride back, it's not fair.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that to her. And still you were asked

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>to come quickly. It gave you a quick turn around

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to show up in Frankfurt, which you did. You went there,

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And so I think the first question that I have.

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>And again I'm sorry for having to ask something that

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I know is painful to talk about. But what was

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the drive going and the drive coming back? Like, in

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>light of the fact that you had already been told,

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>or at least your lawyer said, don't have us come

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>for nothing, so going, how are you feeling? Um hopeful?

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You know? So like you said, they've we've already said,

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>don't make us drive down here for anything. And the

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>fact that you call and you need us here in

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>this short amount of time, so something has to come,

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>something good has to come from that. So I'm not

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>really sure of what it would have been. Uh. I

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>never trusted Cameron to begin with, but I was a

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>little hopeful because here I am driving this drive to

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 1>hear whatever it is you had to say. He could

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>have caused me on the phone. He could have called

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>me on the phone. Coming home was terrible. I threw

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>up a lot coming home, so we we had to

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>keep pulling over and it just was it was long.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like I was never getting home. And so yeah,

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I finally did get home. I just I don't know.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I was in bed just the rest of the day.

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>I never I didn't get up. Now mhm. And you

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>were waiting to hear what was what happened? How did

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you feel did you you believe like, Okay, well she's

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>going there's gotta be something good exactly what I called

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>h And then I said it at home and watched

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>it on TV on my best friend. It's like, boll,

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of blameless. She could stayed at home

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and we could have watched it as a family. Mm hmm.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I think for me, you know, that's what that's what

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>bothered me. You know, we were here with you guys,

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and we had been privy to a

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>little bit of that information also, and we sat in

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the square with everybody else, you know, and when I

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>heard when I heard it, for me, it was just

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>like I would just imagine to me, you drive at

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>home like after that, I just wanted to understand, like

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>like how why would he meet this woman drive out there?

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You know? And and that I was stucked for like

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>probably for about thirty minutes straight. So I know that

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>that so basically you saying before I remember when you

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>originally met with Cameron, which was months afterwards, because he

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.359
<v Speaker 1>never even reached out to you until how many months

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>was it? Oh? God by then it probably was four months,

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 1>but four months was the first time he even called

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you guys, and and he what did he do when

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>he called you just the offered condos is um just

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that he would do everything he could to make sure

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.479
<v Speaker 1>the truth came out and UM, and that he would

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>definitely reach out and talk to me before any um

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>he released the information to the public, because that was

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.720
<v Speaker 1>part of the thing that we were tired of finding out.

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 1>UM when the public found out and you know that,

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was disrespectful for one UM, but he

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 1>assured me that wouldn't happen again. But but once again

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.439
<v Speaker 1>he pretty much failed. And it's like and I think

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what it was for me, just understanding that. I

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 1>remember after you had came back, because you came over

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.479
<v Speaker 1>here and we sat and we talked for a while,

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and y'all would not like you had much in the

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>system on him, but you said that he seemed like

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>he was authentic, like he seemed like he wanted to

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>do that he had a heart. That was a specific word.

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was. He definitely acted as if he

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>did and it definitely wasn't act because even in the

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>even the moment of him telling me, whatever the decision

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:28.399
<v Speaker 1>was he put on the show is what it was.

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. So finding out that the only indictment because

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>your your sister, Bianca describes a moment where she feels like, oh, well,

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I do hear something. You know, there's some indictment that's happening,

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and so it's like, not not that it was the

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>full justice or whatever, but it just sounded like something.

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>And then she says there was a moment which I

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>also heard a lot about them, We're gonna talk to

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 1>attorney and Leada Baca, where she had to explain that

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the actual charge wasn't for someone killing Brianna, it was

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.240
<v Speaker 1>for the wall, the bullets that went in the wall.

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 1>So he actually had you drive to Frankfort to tell

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you that they were indicting the wall. Absolutely, the bullets

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 1>in the wall, you know that was that was what

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. And you always said

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you never have faith why because of the city. Well,

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a part of it being the way the system has

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 1>always been set up and the way it's always treated us.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>It's black people, um be just because to know learning

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>anything about the history of Cameron, I just I never

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>felt that this particular um decision should have been left

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>up to him. He wasn't equipped to do the right thing.

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>And he also made a commitment when he took the

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Fraternal Order of Police that the police union, this is

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the people the FOP there, they are the the big

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>boys for the police. That's where the folks the officers

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>run to for problems, for issues, right, so he he

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>took an endorsement from them, a national organization. Every time

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a black person is killed in this country and it

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>is a high profile situation where police are involved, they

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>come out and try to defend the police officers action.

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I think in George Floyd they were a little like, well,

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, this was wrong. But that's because they know

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>people could see right on tape exactly what happened. And

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>so for them to try to go in the opposite

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>direction when folks were burning down Minneapolis, it probably wasn't

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the right way to go, right like, it would have

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 1>just incited more. But and so that's a political move

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>because they haven't shown that they actually care about black bodies.

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>And so when when you're when Daniel Cameron is standing

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>there and he's accepting their nomination into I mean their

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>endorsement in two thousand and nineteen. I think he says,

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I understand exactly what this endorsement means. I will be

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the voice and advocate for law enforcement. So why would

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>we ever think even though I was hopeful, I was hopeful,

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>But why would we ever think that he was going

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to be Brianna's advocate? Which is so painful, absolutely so,

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>which is why I say he was never equipped to

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>do that job. He stood he had already accepted to

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>be on the police side. Yeah, he already made that decision.

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 1>And we see it now. It's clear people thought we

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.399
<v Speaker 1>were a little crazy, like you're just saying it now,

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>we're like the little emoji and hand when you sit

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>there and you actually looked back. He knew this week

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>so right, because he never actually even presented anything that

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 1>looked like justice for Brianna till so he called you

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>when he could have. I mean, he made you drive

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 1>up and he could have called you a week ago

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 1>when he presented it to because he knew he never

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>presented anything that was gonna get justice for reality. He

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 1>knew that the moment they were putting boards up on

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>windows down, he chose to drag that out he chose

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>to torture me and my family even more. He chose

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that you said something about how it feels that your

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 1>daughter has died over and over again, four hundred and

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety four days at that time, at the time, how

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:37.439
<v Speaker 1>many days has it been? Now, goodness, it's just time

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to stop. Day like the past, that day, that day

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>killed me out. Mm hmm. Yeah. So you know, it's

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot goes on and everybody has an opinion, everybody

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.240
<v Speaker 1>has a story, and you know, me knowing you guys

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and y'all like my family. You know, I'm literally like

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>your family. So I take a lot of stuff first.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So I just want to know, like, this is something

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that's been going on constantly hearing it over does it

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>bother you? How does it make you feel when people

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>constantly say that Brianna was a drug deal, disrespected, angry,

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 1>ps um. I could go on forever. She's always texting me.

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I know you said I shouldn't be disrespectful to grown people,

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>but they they're pissing me off, you know, So it's

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:43.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, it's But at the same time, there's

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.799
<v Speaker 1>people who in the beginning we're saying those things, who

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>are writing me now on social media. I'm so sorry

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that I ever thought that. I'm so sorry because the

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 1>more of this story comes out each day, there's a

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 1>new piece of information that shows that these officers were wrong,

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:02.279
<v Speaker 1>that Daniel Camera was wrong, and there's people who wish

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>that they were never on that side. That's that's right,

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>that's right. And I know we can't talk about the

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>legal case because there are other legal avenues that your

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 1>attorneys who will be coming up after you, will talk about.

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:20.399
<v Speaker 1>But this idea that suspicious packages was going where you live,

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 1>does it make you feel like I'm didn't they I'm

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.359
<v Speaker 1>telling you all that we didn't have I mean, talk

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 1>about how that makes you feel knowing that people are

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>making up a storyline and the police made it up.

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>To be clear, they made it up, because it's very

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>obvious at this point that the postal service told them

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>more than one time, no packages, no packages, no packages.

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Even a month after Brianna was killed. The officer went

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>back trying to ask again while they're building a case,

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and the post office said no. Yeah. It's annoying because

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>if they really know, all those packages was for me

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 1>on her because we both are going on vacation and

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>we can part from each other. So it's like getting

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>your stuff whatever, you get everything we needed for our regulations.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>But everybody uses Amazon this and that, like this is

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>what we do well. Not only that, it's everybody, all

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>of us who ordered things send it to that house

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>because somebody is always there to get the packages there

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>because you know the neighbors and everybody will look out

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>for packages. So I order, everything goes to this house.

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>My sister, everything goes to this house. So and they

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 1>assume that just because we're black and that somebody in

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>this situation has a sketchy background, that it just makes

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Brianna Taylor and her home your home the trap house.

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>It's not. It's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable because to know

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Brianna is she is. She's the person, in a heartbeat,

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>was that if you get caught with something my car,

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling I got stuff to deal with my life.

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling yeah, that's just the type of person she was.

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>So it just to hear those things pis as you are.

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it pisses me off more than you.

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's more than you, but I

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>know I'm very pissed. Up. I go to Jenia's page

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes and I see like little video clips that she

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.879
<v Speaker 1>posted on Brihanna, and it's just like like, how did

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>this happen? You know? How do you how do you

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>like when you post when you're posting those videos, like

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>do you just be in the house and just thinking

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>about things? Or like a lot of times when I

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 1>posted this because they're coming up in my memories. Um,

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's just like it's my friend. Yeah, that's a

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 1>big deal because you can have Yeah, but you know,

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 1>do you think you're suffering a little bit or do

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 1>you think that Jenias stuff her in a little bit

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 1>from survivor's remorse, a feeling of like I should have

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 1>been there. I don't necessarily think she thinks it should

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>have been hurt, but I definitely think she thinks, oh

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I should have been there, as if something could have

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>been well, something could have been different. They both could

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>have been gone had she been there. Um, there's a

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>number of things that could have been different had she

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>been there, you know. So I think God put her

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>exactly where she needed to be, and she needs to

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 1>understand that you're struggling with that not being mere. Yeah,

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I wish I didn't go to Califora. Yeah, but God

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>can do things. Do things because you told me when

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 1>we first met, you were like, oh, this is my

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 1>room and this is where a lot of bullets were,

0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and I would have been in me Yeah, I would

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>have m wow. So I think we you know, we're

0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 1>winding down and I want to ask you, is about Kenny?

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I love me something I've seen him as, like, Kenny

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:10.680
<v Speaker 1>is our guys. You know, we asked as my son

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and I were talking about this, he was like, y'all,

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>you know you want us to protect you. You want

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 1>us to protect you want us to stand in the gap,

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you want us to do these things. He want to

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 1>tell about this issue, but in other things. And we

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>both were saying today as we were preparing that Kenny

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>did the thing that we asked our men to do,

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.879
<v Speaker 1>and yet they're using it to try to frame him

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>as being the reason why, like Kenny shoot, he didn't

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 1>fire a warning shot and did a one in shot

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and then they went and got to botch Warren. That

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>happened first. But that seems like that's just not a

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>part of the conversation. So how is that relationship? Um?

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>So I love Kenny I think Kenny did exactly what

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 1>he should have done. Um. And I know that there's

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who say they wouldn't agree, but

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>they're also the people who've never been put in that situation.

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 1>So um, But I think that also Kenny is having

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 1>a hard time dealing with how that. You know, he

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>thinks it's what if I wasn't there that night, Maybe

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't have been there and this could have played

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.760
<v Speaker 1>out different. But for me, I think it's if he

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there, who knows what they would have done to her?

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And he's the only person who can tell us any

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>type of anything from that night because the police still

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 1>hasn't done that, right, So he's the one. He's where

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:44.399
<v Speaker 1>you're getting the details about Brianna's last moment. Absolutely, that's

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>just you know, and he's such a good guy, you know,

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 1>he ain't love Brianna so much and now takes care

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 1>of Jnia. I think they take care of each other

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 1>real brother says Yeah. I mean, I wonder one day

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>we will get to ask Kenny, you know, does he

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>feel is there any guilt in his heart? You know

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 1>that maybe, like you said, maybe I just shouldn't have

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.359
<v Speaker 1>been home. You know, we're there with her that night.

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 1>But I know we're proud. We're proud of the fact

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:19.360
<v Speaker 1>that he tried. He tried to protect his home, he

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.759
<v Speaker 1>tried to protect his woman, and what he did was

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>not the reason why this happened. It was a part.

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 1>They caused all of it, and he was a pleader.

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>He had a role in what what took place. So

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You know, the last thing we want

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, which we already kind of touched on,

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>is the online trolls, because I've had to call you

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and say to me, good, you cannot actually say the

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 1>things you're thinking on the incidet are you gonna tell Denia?

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 1>And you're doing it well because I'm her mother, don't

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 1>do what I do. So that's but number two. And

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I still have a job as a mother to to

0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>to protect my kids. And I thought, she's not hearing.

0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm still going to protect her. I'm going to protect you.

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 1>She was are naming and what she could have been.

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, sometimes I get caught up in those moments,

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think there'll be There'll be plenty of

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 1>days I'll still get caught up because I'll never stop,

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>especially the week of the settlement announcement. That was a

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.800
<v Speaker 1>tough week because people were just saying the most ignorant

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>stuff ever. We're gonna talk with your attorneys about that, um,

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.919
<v Speaker 1>But you know, one of the things that you did,

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think this is a note that we can

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>end on, is that you were very adamant that the

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 1>settlement agreement would not just be a settlement for money,

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>but that they will also be reforms included in that

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 1>settlement process. And I want to say that I'm really

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>proud that that's something that you focused on. And it

0:50:56.800 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 1>also taught your family, your entire family, and the community

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>in Louisville and across the country what it looks like

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to stand up not just for your own child, but

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 1>for other people's children. And certainly it also means a

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>lot for me in my own family. And I just

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want to know what was the

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 1>mindset going into it, and how do you feel about

0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it now? You feel like you did exactly the right thing? Uh? Yeah,

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I definitely still felt like I did the right thing.

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 1>And first the mindset, Hey, I felt I had a

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of those things been in place that wouldn't have

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 1>happened to Brihanna, but I have to make sure that

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Jennia doesn't become a Brianna. So that's that was it

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 1>for me. Yeah, so for me, right because because people

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>just saw it right, and I just hate having me

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:51.359
<v Speaker 1>just saying this. The civil settlement had nothing to do

0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 1>with the criminal case. Absolutely, there was no. You did

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>not settle and say you have a gag order two

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>where you cannot talk about this case and justice. The

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>only people who think that are Facebook lawyers, lawyers. I mean,

0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:10.120
<v Speaker 1>it's the worst thing. I go on Facebook and the like.

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>She took the money, so she knew what she was

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.399
<v Speaker 1>gonna do this. They paid her all from like what

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>are you? Where did you get where did you get this? Inbody?

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Pay you for your child's life? I mean, what's the

0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 1>price tag for that? Yeah? Yeah, no, you know and

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and and we do get caught up in the comments,

0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>which I suggest if you don't talk to trolls, especially

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 1>as Teslin for Good our Girls says, don't talk to

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:36.399
<v Speaker 1>people who have they not even give you their first

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and last name, even know who they are. You said, up,

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.839
<v Speaker 1>they're arguing back and forth with nobody in the air,

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:49.839
<v Speaker 1>making yourself Russians going out. I know, I know, because

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 1>you want to give him your address. That's right about.

0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 1>But you know, the issue you around the settlement piece

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:06.080
<v Speaker 1>for me was I've seen people get charges for the

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 1>cops and zero dollars or one million dollars or you know,

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a very small settlement. I've seen people get settlements no justice.

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I've seen so many different scenarios, a little charges that

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>are very light and a little bit of money. And

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:25.439
<v Speaker 1>so this idea that there's one model or one thing

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to create that as we go along. We're

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to as you guys did, push the envelope receiving

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the largest settlement that anyone has received a black woman.

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Now we know that Corin Gains, which is another black

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.799
<v Speaker 1>woman who was killed by police in Maryland, that she

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>her family has a settlement that is larger, but that

0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.240
<v Speaker 1>settlement has been stopped in his tracks by the courts.

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about received in terms of I ain't

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in your pocket and in your business, but the paperwork

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 1>is signed and the people are gonna get it done.

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And her situation, we don't know what's gonna happen. So

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.279
<v Speaker 1>today this settlement that you lall hack is the most

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 1>historic for a black woman killed by police across this country.

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 1>And you included reforms, policy changes that are specific to

0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:19.279
<v Speaker 1>what happened here in the Brianna Taylor Cats and some

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 1>other things that community members wanted you to include. That's powerful.

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:30.680
<v Speaker 1>It's the it's the reform from me, and that's why

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you are going to be the leader up until freedom.

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 1>We need organized as we need people who want to

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 1>take on that role. One right now. Listen, you've been

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 1>pushed into leadership. You've been pushed into this role, and

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I just want to tell you that you wear it

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 1>with grace. You were with honor, with class. Since I've

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 1>met you, you have been a classy woman. You have

0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say the worst things and you're taking it.

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.280
<v Speaker 1>You know when you speak, and you always speak powerful

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and you always and I know that Brianna is looking

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 1>at both of you, and she's a legend and you

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.320
<v Speaker 1>made her a legend. You you've made your daughter a

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>legend because the way that you continue this work, the

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 1>way that you stand in this gap, the way that

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you stand up and you stand with your show this straight,

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 1>your head high, and you represent her, don't matter what

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>they throw at you. It's just phenomenal. So I just

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.759
<v Speaker 1>want to say thank you, leg Sure, thank you all

0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 1>so much for doing this with us today. Thank you,

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you for having us and we love y'all. Right,

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:57.320
<v Speaker 1>that's welcome back to street Politicians. This is part two

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of our series on Brianna Taylor. So we've been joined

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>today by two people who I just love to talk

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:10.319
<v Speaker 1>to and hear from. Until freedom has been guided in

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:16.400
<v Speaker 1>how we operate around the true details of the Brianna

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Taylor matter, because Brianna Taylor doesn't have a case. To

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 1>be clear, she never had a case in her life,

0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 1>so she does not have a case. She is not

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.280
<v Speaker 1>on trial. But in the Brianna Taylor matter, the matter

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 1>of her being killed, we've had to turn to these

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 1>incredible attorneys and there's one missing, which is Attorney Benjamin

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:39.880
<v Speaker 1>crump Uh to get real true facts because this Kentucky.

0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 1>First of all, Limita, your hometown, UM and Lorsville specifically,

0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:54.840
<v Speaker 1>things travel fast around here. People get messaging and things

0:56:55.000 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and whatever mixed up telephone game down here, and so

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of information that's out there that is

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:08.200
<v Speaker 1>not accurate. So we've been guided by truth and facts

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:13.240
<v Speaker 1>by turning to Attorney Sam Agyar and Attorney Nita Baker,

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and of course our brother who is not with us,

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Attorney Benjamin Crump. So that well, we're out here speaking,

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>that we're telling the truth. And even in two instances

0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>where people want to be um, you know, sometimes folks

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:28.400
<v Speaker 1>want to they want to they want pity, so they say, oh,

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 1>she was sleeping in her bed when she was shot,

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and y'all have said, no, that is not true. She

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sleeping. She was sleeping before the police knocked, and

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>she heard a knock and she got up. So you

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.760
<v Speaker 1>guys have not tried to put out details that would

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 1>just lend itself to your position, but just the facts.

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Don't need to embellish your story that's already so tragic,

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:57.439
<v Speaker 1>like we didn't need to embellish it right now, right,

0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:02.280
<v Speaker 1>So first of all, how are you guys doing post

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Cameron coming back? Which we we we we talked

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot in our segment with Jenia and Tomika Palmer

0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>about that phone call that you made, saying to the

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Attorney General's office to say, do not make this young

0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 1>this lady drive this mother drive a distance to hear

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 1>something that we know it's not justice, true justice for

0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Brianna Taylor. And it happened anyway. Daniel Cameron's office allowed

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you all to be there in frankfort forty minutes to

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>an hour away from UM from where you all live

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in Louisville, and I just want to know, like, you know,

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 1>how do you feel. What's the human side of hearing

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>that there was not only no charges related to Brianna Taylor,

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>but that the only charges UM that have been that

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.400
<v Speaker 1>there was an indictment for was bullets that went into

0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a wall. No, we should hear from you first then,

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.160
<v Speaker 1>because you always want to tell Anita, you always us.

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it, but we want to hear from so

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Lenita's got a great voice, and unfortun I've been through

0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>this before. So you know, last police shooting case that

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I had, UM vowed never to have to see a

0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 1>family go through that again, to have to go all

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the way down to meet with you know, a district

0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 1>attorney what you call down here. I think you mentioned

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 1>before we got weird names down here. But but to

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.160
<v Speaker 1>go meet with the d A and just have them,

0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:34.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, looking in the eye and say, you know,

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:38.960
<v Speaker 1>there's no justice coming here. And do it nonchalantly. So

0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:41.600
<v Speaker 1>we didn't want that to happen. Um for to mek

0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 1>A Palmer, I mean, God bless that family. They're incredible,

0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And to go all the way down to Frankfort to

0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:49.640
<v Speaker 1>get that news, to find out that we actually got

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the news after the rest of the country got the news,

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:53.880
<v Speaker 1>because because by the time that we were actually in

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that conference room and you know, they were putting on

0:59:56.480 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 1>their little show to try to show this foe sympathy

1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 1>for and everything, you know, it was after the rest

1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of the country already heard everything. And since then it's

1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 1>gotten so much worse because now you you know, you

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.200
<v Speaker 1>start to learn what was going on in that grand

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:17.560
<v Speaker 1>jury room. I mean, just imagine U twelve people today,

1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the mayor says, hey, I'm gonna put you in a room. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we got James over here, we got Jessica over here,

1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.240
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna spend three days going with you. And

1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:26.720
<v Speaker 1>then at the end you gotta tell us which one

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.240
<v Speaker 1>needs to be our next police chief. And you go

1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 1>through and you learn all about James, you learn all

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 1>about Jessica, and you're already starting to feel like the

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.440
<v Speaker 1>people the mayor's offices really wants you to pick James,

1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 1>but you keep asking all these questions and you keep

1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.320
<v Speaker 1>learning things. Then on the last day, just imagine ten

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:48.600
<v Speaker 1>out of twelve of your are ready to make Jessica

1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:51.800
<v Speaker 1>your next police chief, and the mayor walks in and says, hey, um,

1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:56.760
<v Speaker 1>time to vote. But you can only pick James. And

1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:00.600
<v Speaker 1>if you don't want James, then you can just leave

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<v Speaker 1>here right now, but you can't pick Jessica. So tim

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to pick Jessica but you can't, and

1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:09.240
<v Speaker 1>then you watch the mayor get on TV later and say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the grand jury decided and we agree that

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<v Speaker 1>James should be our next police chief. Just imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>you're that grand jury sitting at home, and then imagine

1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:23.400
<v Speaker 1>if all of a sudden you see that that mayor

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:27.640
<v Speaker 1>had actually endorsed James previously, and that James had contributed

1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to his campaign. That's what we're dealing with right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a grand jury that just feels like they have

1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:36.280
<v Speaker 1>been betrayed, in a country that feels like they've been betrayed,

1:01:37.040 --> 1:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>in a family that feels like they've been betrayed, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been awful. I think for me just listening to that,

1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole grand jeury process and the self is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when they make this statement about you can

1:01:52.320 --> 1:01:55.120
<v Speaker 1>indict a ham sand which is based on that reality.

1:01:55.480 --> 1:01:57.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's based on the reality if you show

1:01:57.800 --> 1:01:59.800
<v Speaker 1>them something to say this is the only thing you

1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:03.520
<v Speaker 1>can do, then what else do you have? The thing

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<v Speaker 1>that that I do want to point out here though,

1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:09.360
<v Speaker 1>is and listen to those grand jury tapes, this was

1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a damn good grand jury. They were asking to write questions,

1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:18.280
<v Speaker 1>they were involved, engaged, but it's the prosecutors that were

1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 1>involved that tarnish the whole process. Explain that to us,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that sound like? Yeah, that sounds like the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors involved, uh in presenting the case to the grand jury,

1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:35.800
<v Speaker 1>they knew going in on Monday morning when that grand

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<v Speaker 1>when they started presenting evidence that at the end of

1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the day all they were gonna the only charges that

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to present were they want endangement charges

1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:47.240
<v Speaker 1>against Brett Hankinson. So they put on the show of

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, it's going to take us three days

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<v Speaker 1>of presenting n evidence, grand jurors asking questions only for

1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:56.800
<v Speaker 1>not the witnesses to answer the questions, but for those

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors to answer questions for the grand jury was to say, hey,

1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:03.640
<v Speaker 1>we want to see all the body camera footage before

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutors say, oh, we don't have time for that.

1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:10.400
<v Speaker 1>And in most states, in in Kentucky, the case is

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<v Speaker 1>that the prosecutors are supposed to be advisors to the

1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:16.640
<v Speaker 1>grand jury. So if the grand jury wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>all of the video, prosecutors supposed to make even if

1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it took the whole week, they're supposed to make time

1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and let that grand jury see all of the video. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt in my mind that if the

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury had been presented with charges against all of

1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the officers and homicide charges on behalf of Brianna, that

1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.960
<v Speaker 1>there would have been indictment and indictment for all of them.

1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And you think so, I think so. Um. But not

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<v Speaker 1>only that, I think that these grand jurors were deprived.

1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.200
<v Speaker 1>If you know, we're here from us, Daniel Cameron, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to turn over every rock and get to the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were deprived of truths, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got good evidence capabilities these days, you know. Unfortunately

1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:03.240
<v Speaker 1>for people if they don't realize that everything that you

1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:06.120
<v Speaker 1>put on your cell phone, it's there. This grand jury

1:04:06.160 --> 1:04:09.520
<v Speaker 1>got no cell phone forensics. Brent Hankinson had a hundred

1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and twenty phone calls and text messages within the six

1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:16.360
<v Speaker 1>hours after this shooting. And this grand jury never even

1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:20.640
<v Speaker 1>heard that this crime scene was tampered with so badly.

1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:22.919
<v Speaker 1>And I think this grand jury picked up on that

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<v Speaker 1>because you had evidence. I mean, what makes you think

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jury picked up on it. It It was what

1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you heard. And then they were asking questions. You know,

1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:34.920
<v Speaker 1>at one point you have a grand jury asked, Hey,

1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that bullet that was in there, I didn't see that earlier.

1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Where did that come from? You know? And ask him

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<v Speaker 1>where's the blood that this was a femoral artery shot

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<v Speaker 1>in the house, where's the blood at? So straight got

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<v Speaker 1>break a street levels. So if you shot in your artery,

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<v Speaker 1>your femeral artery, which is in your thigh that area,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a lot of blood, almost like when

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<v Speaker 1>you watched scary movies and the blood's just squirting out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be a lot of blood from one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no blood on the inside. The only blood inside

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<v Speaker 1>of Brianna's apartment is from Brianna. There's none on the

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the immediate outside of the door. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>get blood until you get to the parking lot. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you wanna yeah, you wanna go street politics. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's let's put it this way. If Kenny Walker just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, without a doubt, shot John Mattingly, where the

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<v Speaker 1>hell's the blood? Why does that bullet enter in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of his thigh and enterrupt you know, much higher?

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<v Speaker 1>And how come it's a full metal jacket bullet that

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying that shot John Mattingly When Kenny Walker's gun

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<v Speaker 1>clear as day is shooting holoquints. And who puts a

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<v Speaker 1>while what man puts a wallet in their front pocket?

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, there's so many things that this grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury did not hear yet they were still ready to indict.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're Daniel Cameron and you're a prosecutor, just

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<v Speaker 1>like Lenny has said, you were there to assist them.

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<v Speaker 1>But if this grand jury at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>day says we want you to draft indictments, we want

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<v Speaker 1>you to you know, educate us on what charges we

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<v Speaker 1>can pursue. A prosecutor can't just sit there and dodge

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<v Speaker 1>it and say, well, you know, all you got is

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<v Speaker 1>three counts of wanton endangement when you've got a body

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<v Speaker 1>of twelve people, ten of whom I believe wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>indict every single these offers, one of these officers four

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<v Speaker 1>felonies and for more than just that. Um. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of explaining to do right now. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mysign to make the biggest problem we have right now

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<v Speaker 1>is that because Daniel camer decided to step in as

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<v Speaker 1>the top prosecutor in the state, to get recourse here

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<v Speaker 1>is difficult. It's not impossible. We don't have double jeopardy.

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<v Speaker 1>So so again talking to everybody, always hear about double jeopardy,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't apply here. There were no indictment, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was not a no true bill and never went

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<v Speaker 1>to a jury. So for me, so basically he just

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<v Speaker 1>circumvented the whole process. He made the jury that she

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't even deserve that, you know, they they in

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<v Speaker 1>court that the jury didn't even need to hear anything

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<v Speaker 1>because in his mind, they weren't guilty of anything. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the disappointing thing is that he put on this

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<v Speaker 1>show as if he did as if he did, as

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<v Speaker 1>if the grand jury made these decisions along with his offices,

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<v Speaker 1>as they as if they were on board. Um from

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<v Speaker 1>May until September, he made this whole show about, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my independent investigation. But when you listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jury recordings, a large percentage of it are

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<v Speaker 1>the same interviews that the Global Metro Police Departments Public

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<v Speaker 1>Integrative Unit conducted until you didn't do anything. It's worse

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<v Speaker 1>than that. I mean, you know, you got one officer

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<v Speaker 1>interview that he gave the morning of the shooting, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about how Kenny Walker shot fifteen times, there's

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<v Speaker 1>bullets going out everywhere, and how he saw Bret Hankinson

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<v Speaker 1>walk up to the front door and shoot in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says at three different times. Well, the Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General's Office doesn't want the grand jury to hear all

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<v Speaker 1>that because it doesn't fit their narrative. So they re

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed this guy six months later, and they only play

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<v Speaker 1>that interview for the grand jury. They do not play

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<v Speaker 1>the interview, you know, from right after the facts. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's just none of these officers turn in a full

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<v Speaker 1>load out and so so you know, when they're counting

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<v Speaker 1>their rounds, none of these officers I seen have the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of bullets are supposed to have all these bullets

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<v Speaker 1>that are in this place. They only recovered half of

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<v Speaker 1>the mill and p D did and they couldn't match

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<v Speaker 1>some of them to any of these guns. And you've

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<v Speaker 1>got so many other things going on, but it seems

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<v Speaker 1>pretty damn obvious that Daniel Cameron made a political decision

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<v Speaker 1>very early on that my allegiance and loyalty to this

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<v Speaker 1>FOP to make it, just like you're talking about Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>punning tended any justice that this woman in this family deserves.

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<v Speaker 1>And all that grand jury got to hear was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>hours worth of whatever they knew would be enough to

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<v Speaker 1>basically tell all of us, Hey, they heard a full case.

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<v Speaker 1>And he just thought because of the grand jury secrecy

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd be able to get out of there and say, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we put on twenty hours worth of testimony

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<v Speaker 1>and evidence and witnesses. I'm sorry, but this grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>decided not to indict. Thank you. Not to indict to

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<v Speaker 1>me is a lie? A lie? Right? It can't. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't say someone decided not to do something that they

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<v Speaker 1>would never it was never an option to do in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. And but I want to ask you so,

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<v Speaker 1>is then because everybody's like what can we do? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we want to talk about that, but before there

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<v Speaker 1>is the issue of the one person who is the

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<v Speaker 1>witness that said he did hear an announcement of police

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<v Speaker 1>being on the other side of the door. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is important because what we're talking about. Folks have this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that no knock warrants means there's no not That's

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<v Speaker 1>not what a no knock warrant is. It can be.

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<v Speaker 1>It could mean that they just show up, they don't knock,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just break the door down and do what

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<v Speaker 1>they have to do. But no knock has other elements,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that they don't have to announce who's on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the door. Right, They have the right

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<v Speaker 1>to enter without you understanding who is actually at your door,

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<v Speaker 1>right right. Okay, So when we say that they did

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<v Speaker 1>not that they use a no knock warrant, what we're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>or what I understand to be clear, is that they

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<v Speaker 1>did not, which is what woke uh excuse me Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>and Brianna up out of their sleep and other people

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<v Speaker 1>because other people are saying they heard some banging. But

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<v Speaker 1>when Kenny and Brianna approached she I think I heard

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<v Speaker 1>him say kept saying who is it? Who is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is because we clear this is Brianna's apartment, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So Kenny is there with her as her boyfriend who's

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<v Speaker 1>there with her? But she's basically hello, hello at my house?

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<v Speaker 1>Who the heck is at the door and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>response from the other side based upon what Kenny said.

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<v Speaker 1>And however, how many other three witnesses? So I said

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<v Speaker 1>twelve somewhere that they I gotta getting stuff there. I've

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<v Speaker 1>so twenty three other people. So they didn't hear anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have produced for the grand jury one person

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<v Speaker 1>who y'all tell us about this, this person, but one

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<v Speaker 1>person whose story is is different. His story is different.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the only witness I'm just making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that was presented to the grand jury. Asked to whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not the police announced themselves. Kind of okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>so what was bad about this is when Daniel Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>got up in Grand Standard and said these officers knocked

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<v Speaker 1>and announced. He made a very good point. Under a

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<v Speaker 1>law United States Supreme Court law, a no knock warrant

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<v Speaker 1>means that you can just beat the door down and

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<v Speaker 1>go right in. A knock and announced situation means you

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<v Speaker 1>have to knock and announce. You can't just knock and

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<v Speaker 1>beat down the damn door. You have to announce. This

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<v Speaker 1>warrant had been converted to a knock and announced warrant,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were required by law. It was done that day,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was done that day because had it been

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<v Speaker 1>a no knock they would have had to score it

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<v Speaker 1>differently and the swap team would have had to have

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<v Speaker 1>been present. They wanted to hit that house for who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what reason, but they converted it to a knock

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<v Speaker 1>and announce. So where it's really important to me is

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<v Speaker 1>if they did not announce, they did not comply with

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<v Speaker 1>the warrant as it had been converted. To slow it

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down, because you know, I'm, i'm, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>to do with little things. I need to understand you.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically what you're saying is the no knock warrant has

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<v Speaker 1>a different criteria. The no knock warrant means that you

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<v Speaker 1>could just not You don't have to say anything, You

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<v Speaker 1>just bust the door down and run in. It's more dangerous, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>with the knock and announce means that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>knock and say it's us, the police before you enter

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<v Speaker 1>into them it's more than that. You have to give

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<v Speaker 1>them at least a reasonable amount of time to comply.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like you can just start banging that

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<v Speaker 1>door saying you know, with that ram saying police search warrant. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not giving them time. So yeah, because I see,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a new detail every day, just by the

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<v Speaker 1>way this case, every day a new detail comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was under the impression that they were only then

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<v Speaker 1>I did here's something about a conversion. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't, I can't. My brain just can't take anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're telling me that at first they had a

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<v Speaker 1>no knock all. They applied for a no knock correct

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<v Speaker 1>that was approved, that was approved, and then something happens

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<v Speaker 1>internally they converted it from a no knock warrant to

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<v Speaker 1>it not gonna announce because they were like, in order

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<v Speaker 1>for us to do this no knock thing, we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be able to send all these other guys we got

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<v Speaker 1>to do. We don't have to. We can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why one of the worms that that we

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<v Speaker 1>negotiated during the settlement was that if you're gonna ask

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<v Speaker 1>for a no knock warrant or what no knock warrants

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<v Speaker 1>are being in Louisville. So but when you send in

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<v Speaker 1>that warrant after day or the warrn after davit and

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<v Speaker 1>the SWAP matrix, so that's a SWAT matrix is a

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<v Speaker 1>form that officers have to fill out when they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to execute a search warrant. You get a certain score,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to use SWADE or how in a middle

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<v Speaker 1>score you have to consult with SWAT to see us

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to and then if it's a lower score,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to consult SWAT at all. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>all the matrix is. Because they changed then from a

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<v Speaker 1>no knock to not going announce allegedly after getting the

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<v Speaker 1>no knock warrant approved. A lot of people SWAT was

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<v Speaker 1>under the impression that there was not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a warrant executed at Brianna's house. But what we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do is you can't change once you applied for

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<v Speaker 1>if you're supposed to have SWAT. And the reason we

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<v Speaker 1>say swats because they they're accustomed to execute these types

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<v Speaker 1>of warrants. They're typically they do it in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a safer manner than officers not trained them to SWAP

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's why. So now you have to get

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<v Speaker 1>to feel out that you have to get that SAT

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<v Speaker 1>matrix approved by a commanding officer before you even go

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<v Speaker 1>to a judge. So you can't just go call the

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<v Speaker 1>judge in the middle of the night or whatever. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how we say, you call the judge in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the night and say hey, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>warrant and bringing them back and you sign all of

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<v Speaker 1>these Okay, you know, it's very administrative, uh, in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what we think the process is right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've had judges to say that if you're not careful,

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<v Speaker 1>you find yourself signing warrants like you're pushing paper and

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<v Speaker 1>not really doing the work to understand what I'm signing

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<v Speaker 1>here and how people's lives could be put into danger

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<v Speaker 1>you know because of it. So now I just going

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<v Speaker 1>back because I want to make sure what we're saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that once this warrant was conversed. So first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it had just been a no knock warrant,

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<v Speaker 1>the premise that they used to apply for it for

1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:09.240
<v Speaker 1>the AFFI David application whatever was always false because they

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<v Speaker 1>were using the fact that there were suspicious packages going

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<v Speaker 1>to Brianna's home and um and and that that made

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<v Speaker 1>her house the track house, right, So that was always

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<v Speaker 1>false with the post office, that no, no, no, And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the post Office said no once exactly, they

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<v Speaker 1>said no four times and said it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that was the last time, as far as I can see,

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<v Speaker 1>was like, don't ask us again, because we're not getting

1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:35.559
<v Speaker 1>involved with whatever it is you're trying to do. No

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<v Speaker 1>no suspicious packages. Right, So that even if it was

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<v Speaker 1>no knock, that was already botched that whole piece. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we turned around and find out what I'm learning right

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<v Speaker 1>here is that it got converted because at some point

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<v Speaker 1>internally they were like no, swat, no this, no that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just do a knock and annax. So they went

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<v Speaker 1>there and still twenty three people say they heard no

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<v Speaker 1>one ounce Smith, including Kenny, who says he's I don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear anything, and he calls the police on the police

1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:13.479
<v Speaker 1>the Native and Sam once that you're good, you said,

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<v Speaker 1>like you got the case, and well calls the polly

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<v Speaker 1>do you have it at? So hello and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even say the police are here, saying you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>say the police are here. We don't know why we're here, Kenny,

1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:38.840
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't say, well, I think there's cops outside my door. Okay,

1:17:38.840 --> 1:17:40.720
<v Speaker 1>so that's the bottom line. Okay, Well, you know some

1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:43.400
<v Speaker 1>people you gotta get because they get. So now let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the one guy. Tell me about so the

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<v Speaker 1>one guy. So you got Daniel Cameron getting up here

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<v Speaker 1>saying these cops nothing announced. We've got this magic witness

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<v Speaker 1>you know, says you know he was close proximity whatever

1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:59.200
<v Speaker 1>he lived, he's twenty three, lived just as close. So

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<v Speaker 1>you got this one guy who doesn't speak very good English,

1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:08.679
<v Speaker 1>who is called March twenty and on this phone call,

1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:13.559
<v Speaker 1>which is recorded, you know you got the LMPD internal affairs.

1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:15.479
<v Speaker 1>I try to use the words that everybody will know.

1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:18.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, we got these fancy terms like but internal

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<v Speaker 1>affairs calls him, basically says you know, hey, did you

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<v Speaker 1>you know what was going on? What's your story? First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, poor guy stories, all messed up. He says it.

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<v Speaker 1>SWAT's already out there by the time he gets outside.

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<v Speaker 1>SWAT's not out there until fifteen twenty minutes after Brown

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<v Speaker 1>is killed. But then they asked him point blank, did

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<v Speaker 1>you hear any announcing? No, there was no announcing, you know,

1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:43.040
<v Speaker 1>and then they reach out to him again, Hey, did

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<v Speaker 1>you hear any announcing? No, there was no announcing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then three months later they reach out to him again,

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<v Speaker 1>and who knows what happened and who knows how they,

1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:54.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, coordinated it. But at that point he says

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<v Speaker 1>he heard some announcing. We know from body cameras that afterwards,

1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:02.080
<v Speaker 1>this guy, you know, he's there because he works late.

1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:05.640
<v Speaker 1>His two year old daughters babysat there. He picks her up,

1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:07.960
<v Speaker 1>puts her in his arms, and leaves, and we hear

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<v Speaker 1>him on SWAT body camera, you know, basically saying I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go home? Can I go home? And we're

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<v Speaker 1>not even convinced that he went out into the hallway beforehand,

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<v Speaker 1>because all of his story relates to after SWAT is

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<v Speaker 1>already unseen. He's saying, all the officers had uniforms, and

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<v Speaker 1>we saw the big SWAT vehicle out there. So this

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<v Speaker 1>magic witness, So basically, you're telling me that the magic

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<v Speaker 1>witness on two prior occasions said that he didn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>any of it here announce, and then the third time, monthsly,

1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the magically he remembers that he did correct. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is the witness that they had too to um corroborate

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<v Speaker 1>this story that they did not get announce. Now, just

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<v Speaker 1>to throw something in though the grand jury did hear

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<v Speaker 1>from all of the not all of them, but several

1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:02.080
<v Speaker 1>other witnesses they out to hear interviews. All of them

1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:05.840
<v Speaker 1>told the grand jury through interviews point blank, nah, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no you know, there was no announcing. And this

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury was a great grand jury. There is no

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<v Speaker 1>way this grand jury was ever going to deduce that

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<v Speaker 1>there was These officers were announcing. But the problem is

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have any charges to and they weren't educated

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<v Speaker 1>on self defense law or the concept of initial aggressor

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<v Speaker 1>or the conversion to not you know, to knock and

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<v Speaker 1>announce warrant. So Daniel Cameron's trying to make it sound

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<v Speaker 1>like this isn't a big deal. This is a very

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. And yeah, and we know they weren't educated

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<v Speaker 1>on self defense law because Daniel Cameron himself doesn't know

1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the self defense because the things he said, because of

1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:47.720
<v Speaker 1>things he said exactly, so could we we've heard, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard that there were supposedly to other jurors. One

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<v Speaker 1>juror has already got a lawyer that wants to speak

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<v Speaker 1>up about you like you with the phone calls in Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don'tly know about once did there's another one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking. Well, I'm just saying, I'm just doing my research.

1:21:07.520 --> 1:21:12.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm checked. You know, you know that this another came

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<v Speaker 1>forward so Wednesday, you know so, so I guess court

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<v Speaker 1>here he's are going to decide, hopefully whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>these Grand jurors are basically given immunity and protection to

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<v Speaker 1>come out and speak their mind. And frankly, Daniel Cameron

1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:30.760
<v Speaker 1>opened that door when he tried to put all this

1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:34.400
<v Speaker 1>on them. They absolutely, in my opinion, have the rights

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<v Speaker 1>come out and basically set the records straight. As soon

1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>as that man decided to get up there and basically

1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:42.799
<v Speaker 1>put it on them, they have the absolute right to say,

1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:47.360
<v Speaker 1>how dare you? You never gave us the opportunity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be interesting to see if Daniel Cameron takes back

1:21:50.000 --> 1:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>his word from last week, which wouldn't surprise me. Last

1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:55.080
<v Speaker 1>week he basically said we're not going to stop these

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<v Speaker 1>Grand jurors if they want to talk, basically gave them

1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:00.599
<v Speaker 1>immunity himself. But we'll find out about Wednesday if he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hold true to his word, or if we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get some sort of response that says, no, wait a minute,

1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:07.640
<v Speaker 1>we don't want him needed more time to get the

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<v Speaker 1>transcripts ready to put out, which you know, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw on your Facebook post it was like, we

1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:15.720
<v Speaker 1>want it done now. But you can understand why the

1:22:15.800 --> 1:22:18.600
<v Speaker 1>judge would allow him to have additional time. And I

1:22:18.600 --> 1:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>think he asked for a week knowing that he would

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<v Speaker 1>only get a few days. But if he had asked

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<v Speaker 1>for a day, then you know it wouldn't have necessarily

1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:28.840
<v Speaker 1>worked out as it did. I called him a coward. I'm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just gonna put it out there, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you why. Wicked too. I called him, well, it

1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:37.400
<v Speaker 1>was wicked to have to make upon major there. I

1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:39.760
<v Speaker 1>called him a coward because he didn't tell her. He

1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:43.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the gust of the charges. Weren't we're not

1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:46.880
<v Speaker 1>related to Brianna. He is a coward because he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the nerve to get up there and tell the

1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:52.960
<v Speaker 1>country we cleared these officers internally, and we didn't get

1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the grand jury and opportunity to actually even deliberate on them,

1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:58.519
<v Speaker 1>because you know what, as prosecutors we have the discretion

1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:02.320
<v Speaker 1>to clear officers and know potential defendants internally, and we

1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:04.000
<v Speaker 1>chose to do that. He tried to put it on

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jury. That's no, we don't want to know.

1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's take I want to know that this is politicians.

1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:18.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like to me, he's like to meet the PAM.

1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:20.519
<v Speaker 1>But you got to call him all the time as

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<v Speaker 1>they take that down, take that down, and we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>a wrap. I can't. I'm gonna help you call him that.

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<v Speaker 1>So can we talk about what's next because we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap it up. But people want to know, you

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<v Speaker 1>said at the court here, we want to know this hope, right,

1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:41.760
<v Speaker 1>We want to know this hope son. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>know that there's some hope. Okay. So we've been scouring

1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:50.400
<v Speaker 1>through case law and speaking with former attorney generals and

1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:54.680
<v Speaker 1>all of this, and there's some hope. But we need help, Okay.

1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:58.400
<v Speaker 1>So in Kentucky we got Kentucky Prosecutor's Advisory Council. There

1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was a judge of wrote an opinion once who say

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<v Speaker 1>a point blank and agreed victim like it to make

1:24:02.760 --> 1:24:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a palmer in the situation if she feels like a

1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:09.719
<v Speaker 1>prosecutor was unwilling or you know, incapable of presenting charges

1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that you can actually go to this body and this

1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>body can rule on it, and if they agree, they

1:24:15.280 --> 1:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>have the discretion to a point an independent special prosecutor.

1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:23.559
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like what we need, right, Daniel Cameron's ahead

1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of that Prosecutor's advisory Council. Oh, come on, all right.

1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:34.439
<v Speaker 1>So so obviously we need to recusal. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>really put pressure on these prosecutors to show that the

1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:41.080
<v Speaker 1>courage to do the right thing definitely takes precedence and

1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>is more important than trying to appease the head prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>in the state. It's about looking for potential prosecutors across

1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the state that may be willing to actually say, hey,

1:24:52.800 --> 1:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>if this is a resource thing, I'd be willing to

1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:56.519
<v Speaker 1>look into this, I'd be willing to take this on.

1:24:56.600 --> 1:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's about identifying some people that maybe have the

1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>courage to say listen and you know, yeah, let me

1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>do it. I'll take it on um. And it's about

1:25:05.960 --> 1:25:08.479
<v Speaker 1>putting pressure on Daniel Cameron to say, listen, you know

1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:11.799
<v Speaker 1>you don't think I did my job, fine, I'll appointed

1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:15.360
<v Speaker 1>special prosecutor. That's a last resort if you ask me though,

1:25:15.680 --> 1:25:17.880
<v Speaker 1>because then he gets to pick who he sends it to.

1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:21.559
<v Speaker 1>And we've already seen how this political propaganda and system works.

1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you really think he's going to send it to,

1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, a Democratic prosecutor that really has the courage

1:25:27.240 --> 1:25:29.360
<v Speaker 1>or Republican prosecutor. That wasn't fair for me to say

1:25:29.360 --> 1:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>that the prosecutor that's gonna have the courage to really

1:25:32.600 --> 1:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>present to a grand jury. That's all we're asking for

1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>present and actually just giving the opportunity to die, and

1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:39.360
<v Speaker 1>they do or they don't. And they do or they don't.

1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:41.400
<v Speaker 1>And it would have to be a new brand jury. Yeah.

1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Our grand juries are set each month, so it would

1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>definitely be a one a new grand jury. And we

1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:49.680
<v Speaker 1>got the federal investigation. Let's not forget about that. I know,

1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:53.360
<v Speaker 1>but but we want justice. Also want and that's a

1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Midnight at the Dark Street politicians conversation. They want to know, like,

1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>what do we do to make Daniel cam And pay

1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:03.519
<v Speaker 1>for what he did in this situation? He didn't do

1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:07.160
<v Speaker 1>his job, He wasn't professional. Um, you know, you guys

1:26:07.240 --> 1:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>have been saying that you feel like he was incompetent

1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>in many ways. I say that it was not incompetence

1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to me, because I think there were other people there

1:26:16.280 --> 1:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>who knew what to do and that and that they

1:26:18.840 --> 1:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>made a decision. That is just. I mean, he thinks

1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>he can talk to us like we're stupid, and that

1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to me makes me feel so disrespectful. So I guess

1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>elections have consequences, and the conversation that we've got to

1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:36.120
<v Speaker 1>have as a community to bunker down and say, how

1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>do we ensure that if he ever runs for office,

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<v Speaker 1>not just here, but anywhere that he would like to go,

1:26:43.280 --> 1:26:46.479
<v Speaker 1>that we've put a stop on his tracks or in

1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:51.719
<v Speaker 1>his tracks immediately, because he does not deserve to ever

1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and to have this type of position, to have a

1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>position where this is a this is not uh that

1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:59.640
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, not just I don't want to say just.

1:26:59.840 --> 1:27:02.759
<v Speaker 1>He's not the city council member, which is an important

1:27:02.800 --> 1:27:07.479
<v Speaker 1>position as well. This is the attorney general prosecutor if

1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you will, in the state. And we have no faith.

1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>This community has been broken and and broken by Brianna's murder,

1:27:16.400 --> 1:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>but beyond that, broken by an injust system that continuously

1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>perpetuates violence against our communities. And so we want to

1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>say thank you, thank you, thank you for what you

1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>all are doing. This wasn't enough. Thank you for everything.

1:27:30.200 --> 1:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Until freedom is do We have been such a blessing.

1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>We don't want we gotta go home at some point,

1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:40.599
<v Speaker 1>but we this wasn't enough. We got to have these

1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>conversations because what we're gonna do is put this out

1:27:43.560 --> 1:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to allow people to send us some

1:27:46.040 --> 1:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>questions of things that they want to know so we

1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:51.519
<v Speaker 1>can come back and talk specifically to the audience about

1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>things that they're trying to figure out. Hey, you never know,

1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>there may be some new prosecutors that are being groomed

1:27:56.680 --> 1:27:59.120
<v Speaker 1>just because of Brianna Taylor. Yeah, we just want to

1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>We want to highlight because people don't know what to do.

1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.679
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what the next stage is. So listening

1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:05.559
<v Speaker 1>to you and you're telling us what it is. Whatever

1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>we can do with our platform to help that process,

1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to educate people, to people in Louisville and let some

1:28:12.240 --> 1:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of these prosecutors know we want them to step up,

1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, and hold these people accountable. That's what we

1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>want to do. So thank you, thank you so much.

1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Thankank you both so much, and everybody until freedom, Thank

1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>you alute, Attorney Lanita Baser and attorney Sam Agyar have

1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:31.559
<v Speaker 1>been with us today talking about Brianna Taylor. This is

1:28:31.600 --> 1:28:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a series that we are doing on the Brianna Taylor matter.

1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna call it Brianna Taylor case because she

1:28:39.000 --> 1:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>does not have a case, never had a case. Uh.

1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>The cases actually should have been against four officers, Brett Hankinson,

1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>John Matten, Lee Miles Cosgrove, and Joshua James. Let's make

1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>sure we add the person who was responsible for the

1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>no knock warrant application process that did all the lion

1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:04.280
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. That's the that's who have it.

1:29:04.360 --> 1:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>That's the people who should have a case. Brianna Taylor

1:29:07.439 --> 1:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>is life, though matters, and so in the matter of

1:29:10.320 --> 1:29:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Brianna Taylor, we're gonna be talking about this with a

1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:16.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of people here in Louisville and across the country

1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>who have been a part of the efforts to get

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<v Speaker 1>justice for her. You heard from her family, You've heard

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<v Speaker 1>from her attorney. Now we're going to be hearing from

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<v Speaker 1>some of the state legislators who have picked up legislation

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<v Speaker 1>in Brianna's name, some of the activists that have been

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, and we want to hear from you, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we do listen. Once again, we might not always be right,

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<v Speaker 1>we might not always be wrong, and we definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>always agree, but we're gonna always be a three politicians peace.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how the