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Speaker 3: Mark Sanchez. The off season.

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Speaker 1: Is over, Mark Sanchez pulling up a chair for us,

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Speaker 1: and he is joining us live, So let's just start.

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Speaker 1: He'll be calling games NFL games this fall on Fox.

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Speaker 3: And I want to start with.

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Speaker 1: The Caleb thing. He didn't have a good practice yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it happens. He did go out and he publicly stated, Mark, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw. I wanna throw for this many yards

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Speaker 1: and I want to complete this many passes.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of that? I didn't love it.

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Speaker 3: Not think of it this way.

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Speaker 4: The two paste is kind of out of the tube

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Speaker 4: and it's really hard to put it back in. What

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Speaker 4: politician comes up and says, hey, I'm going to cut

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Speaker 4: inflation by this percent by this date.

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Speaker 5: Nobody does that.

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Speaker 4: They just say, hey, we're going to attack inflation and

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Speaker 4: bring it down, right, so saying I'm going to work

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Speaker 4: on my completion percentage. Hey, I got to get rid

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Speaker 4: of the ball sooner and avoid some of those sacks.

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Speaker 4: I could pick up a couple free completions by checking

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Speaker 4: That's just generally kind of what you want to hear.

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Speaker 4: But now there's this benchmark out there, and every game

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Speaker 4: he doesn't throw for seventy percent in that market, you

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Speaker 4: know people are going to say, well, then it's a failure.

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Speaker 4: Think of it this way. There's thirty two NFL teams.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year. Thirty one

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Speaker 4: teams had a failed season. So if that's the goal

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Speaker 4: and you publicly state the goal, it makes it really

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Speaker 4: hard when you don't achieve those numbers. So I don't

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Speaker 4: love that it came out publicly. I don't think he

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Speaker 4: was you know, I think he was just kind of talking.

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Speaker 4: And it's one of those things as you mature in

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Speaker 4: the league and stuff, you don't have to put specific benchmark,

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Speaker 4: you know, notable numbers on paper and out there for

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Speaker 4: you by. So I remember doing that with Brian Schottenheimer. Though,

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Speaker 4: we'd say, you know, you want to throw for around

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Speaker 4: thirty five hundred yards, you want to be right at

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Speaker 4: about thirty touchdowns would be awesome, and ten or less

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Speaker 4: Those are kind of benchmark numbers that we'd like to hit.

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Speaker 4: But if we're gonna say you gotta throw for four

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Speaker 4: thousand yards and you gotta be seventy percent completions, well

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Speaker 4: then in practice you got to be completing I don't

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Speaker 4: know ninety percent of your pasth And you know, look

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Speaker 4: at Burrow last year, he threw for forty nine hundred.

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Speaker 4: He threw for almost five thousand yards and missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: So Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl and he didn't

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Speaker 4: even throw for three thousand. So it's not necessarily that

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Speaker 4: wish for his sake he didn't publicly state that. You know,

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Speaker 4: coaches are different, there are. McVeigh is very positive, he's

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Speaker 4: a very uplifting personality.

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Speaker 1: I think Matt Lafleur's got some of that. I think

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton can bark a little bit. Andy Reids dont

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Speaker 1: in practice, Sean could be tough. He called out Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: There was a conflict of personalities, not just offense. Ben

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Speaker 3: And I go back to your career.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever have a coach that was pretty bottom

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Speaker 3: Was it difficult?

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Speaker 4: I think whether it's coach Sarkisian being around John Gruden

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Speaker 4: coaches are screaming at me. Okay, well now what who

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Speaker 4: are you in that moment? Because there's gonna be seventy

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Speaker 4: eleven guys trying to rip your head off on the

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Speaker 4: other team. You got ten guys in your huddle that

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Speaker 3: Till you say, said Hu.

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Speaker 4: So I think the coaches at this time of year

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Speaker 4: And it sounds like you know Ben Johnson from the

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Speaker 4: people I've talked to. I don't know him personally, but

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Speaker 3: And if you don't show up, you know, with the

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Speaker 4: At the right time, like, there's no excuse, Like there's

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Speaker 4: And if you don't get out of here, and if

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Speaker 4: you can't play for me. So you gotta go case Keenum,

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Speaker 4: get in here, come in and play now. Does that

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Speaker 4: But it's just one of those reminders that hey, dude,

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Speaker 5: We got standards here and they've been raised.

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Speaker 4: So meet the standard or get the hell out of

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Speaker 4: my face, basically, And some of that I think is

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Speaker 1: Probably not so I've said I worry that Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: not helping him. I look at a former Trojan, Carson

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Speaker 1: seventy touchdown passes that over. We don't we think that

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks the most important. But he needs a left tackle,

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Speaker 1: he needs the right coach, and good ownership matters. And

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Speaker 1: I think in the last year, Mark I've seen Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow be frustrated at the podium like a half a

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Speaker 1: Let's just be totally honest, that aren't ideal. Can that

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Speaker 1: of the franchise. Did I thought Burrow last year. I'm like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: he is frustrated. And I don't think it's with teammates.

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Speaker 1: I think it's upstairs. Does that stuff weigh on players?

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Speaker 4: I think players who have a pretty good scope of

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Speaker 4: the bigger picture, and the longer I played, the more

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Speaker 4: It's hard enough to get it first down on third

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Speaker 4: if that's hard, why do we add more stuff to

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Speaker 4: our plate? Like this dude, Trey Hendrickson has outperformed all

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Speaker 5: Why do I even have to talk about this?

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Speaker 4: You know, as a quarterback a lot like you know

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Speaker 4: the president once again, this analogy, but you get briefed

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Speaker 4: falling on the sword. You're trying to put out fires.

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Speaker 4: You're you know, killing the media with cliches. But at

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Speaker 4: a certain point it just gets old and annoying and frustrating,

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Speaker 4: and it's like, can we just talk about football, Like,

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Speaker 4: let's just get the guys here that are on the team,

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Speaker 4: that should be here, the really good players.

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Speaker 5: We try not to let them leave. Let's go play some.

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Speaker 4: Ball, you know, and everybody at this point of the

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Speaker 4: do the interviews talking about, Hey what about the guy

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Speaker 4: holding out? Now, we had that happen with Darrell Reavis,

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Speaker 4: then there's the teammates side, you know, trying to win games,

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Speaker 4: shared struggle. All that we understood. We weren't worried about

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Speaker 4: But it just gets annoying talking about stuff like that. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's the same team that you know, Carson

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Speaker 4: not going back there. So I think it's you know,

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Speaker 3: So go to your last year in football. Aaron's getting older.

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Speaker 1: I saw stat the other day quarterbacks over forty of

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Speaker 1: one twelve playoff games. Braddy's one, so take him out.

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Speaker 1: He's the outlier. It just gets tougher. And we were

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Speaker 1: talking about this earlier with j Mac. The season's now

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Speaker 1: seventeen games, it's longer, it's harder, and was your body

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Speaker 1: your last year, which did it take you a while?

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Speaker 1: Like when did you feel your best preseason or week fifteen?

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Speaker 4: I think as you age, you kind of find your rhythm,

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Speaker 4: and unfortunately, I feel like the warm up and the

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Speaker 4: They're trying to learn what success feels like. They're trying

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course you want to stack, complete stack good

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Speaker 1: Mark's great stuff. Games are right around the corner. In fact,

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Speaker 1: If I if I let's go, let's go. Good to

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Speaker 5: Appreciate it? You bet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the saying, I've always believed in everything is something,

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Speaker 1: nothing is everything, So it doesn't matter if you're in

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Speaker 1: my business, you're in law, you're recruiting for technology. During

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Speaker 3: Jay Maric with a news no, no.

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Speaker 2: On the news. This is the headline news.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 10: The staff comes to me with all these stories and

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 10: Colin, you are extremely bullish on this squad, well, second

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Speaker 10: year of quarterback Drake May said something interesting about this

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Speaker 11: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I think you've got guys around here that are tired

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Speaker 11: Win, tired of losing, tired Patriots.

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Speaker 10: I was like, oh, two decades of dynasty action with Belichick.

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Speaker 10: I mean, Drake May, that's how young he is coming.

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Speaker 10: We're tired of losing around here, Like two years.

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Speaker 1: Well, I you know, Drake May's sort of been lost,

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Speaker 3: He he made a leap last year. He was pretty

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Speaker 10: Was just did some buffoonery where he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 10: go back to college football. Arch Manning and Texas people

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Speaker 11: You know, obviously he ended up at North Carolina. He's

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Speaker 12: He's very humble, he said, it's too much has been

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Speaker 3: Next question, right about that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the things that's really impressive

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Speaker 1: everybody's great in life when they get their own way.

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Speaker 1: How does dad act at the little league game when

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Speaker 1: you act when things don't go your way? That's maturity.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's a great guy when they get what they want.

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Speaker 1: In a business deal. And Arch Manning didn't get his

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Speaker 10: I mean, Vince Young had one of the great college

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Speaker 11: Hey, he reminds me of Vince Young, the greatest ever.

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Speaker 10: In Texas college football history?

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Speaker 3: They just different.

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Speaker 1: But I never trusted Vince from the pocket, but when

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Speaker 10: All right, Colin, Let's go to the final story, and

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Speaker 10: His coach Sean Payton told the media that Nicks sought

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Speaker 11: Take a listen.

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Speaker 13: He's someone that works his tail off, wants to improve.

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Speaker 13: You know, the whole off season is planned out. You know,

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Speaker 13: And that's a great thing for a young player like that.

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Speaker 10: we got to charge here, Colin, Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 10: Our staff found first year under Peyton.

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Speaker 11: I'm not, you know, we always thought the Knicks didn't have.

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Speaker 11: I don't. I mean we didn't think that for Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: I think bow Knicks is a he is really athletic.

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Speaker 3: I think Bow. I mean, they're about the same size.

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Speaker 1: They're both accurate, though Breeze arguably he's the most accurate

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Speaker 1: quarterback I've seen.

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Speaker 3: I think they play a lot alike. I think at.

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Speaker 1: Early Breeze was more mobile than late Breeze. Neither one

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Speaker 1: have huge arms, but both can make all the throws. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's why I said before the draft,

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Speaker 1: bow Knicks to Sean Payton is the draft spot like

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Speaker 1: it just it works.

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Speaker 10: I learned my lesson last year betting against bow Knicks.

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Speaker 10: A bunch didn't go great for me. When I went

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Speaker 10: against Bonnix and Denver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to create a more functional run game,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they went. A lot of people criticize

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Speaker 1: their second round pick was Harvey the Kid, the running back,

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Speaker 1: and people thought they was a little overdrafted.

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Speaker 3: But I'm always kind of anytime.

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Speaker 1: You give a young quarterback a running back, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to reach on something, I think that's the position.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, I think every year that

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton has been there, the roster's gotten better. So

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Speaker 1: we saw bow Knicks with an income, they were still

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Speaker 1: they were still rebuilding the team. I think Mims will

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Speaker 1: be better in year two. He'll be more dependable and

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Speaker 1: more consistent. So I think that if you told me,

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, if there's a team in the league

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Speaker 1: that won twelve or thirteen games and you were like,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of surprising, it wouldn't shock me. With Denver,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they have that kind of I mean,

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Speaker 1: you go look at last year. They were an incomplete

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Speaker 1: team last year. Now there's nothing they're really not capable of.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a weakness the dead cat.

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Speaker 11: Money from Russell Wilson, but twelve.

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Speaker 10: Or thirteen in that division that would shock me.

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Speaker 11: Twelve or thirteen wins, twelve.

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Speaker 3: And five possible? Wow, possible. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 1: How about this story, Jmack, here's a heater. According to

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Speaker 1: SBJA Sports Business Journal, Realignment Watch sources say North Carolina

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Speaker 1: is among the schools exploring of move from the ACC,

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Speaker 1: which is dreadful to the SEC as their likely target

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Speaker 1: under Chancellor Lee Roberts and their incoming AD. The tar

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Speaker 1: Heels are leading the pack along with Clemson. If I

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Speaker 1: was the SEC, I would want Clemson in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Clemson's a football power, Carolina's basketball it's a huge brand.

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Speaker 1: So we're going this is what's happening, folks. Clemson and

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Speaker 1: Carolina are moving to the SEC. Florida State's probably still

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Speaker 1: complaining about something, and I just think you get the

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Speaker 1: basketball program of North Carolina and the brand, and I

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Speaker 1: think Clemson's a rock solid Clemson feels like an SEC program,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. And I think Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: is eventually going to move from the ACC. They're going

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Speaker 1: to break that deal. They're going to go to the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten. That's my take. Remember Oregon and Washington initially

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Speaker 1: weren't in the Big Ten. Remember the Big Ten took

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Speaker 1: USC and UCLA and they get full benefits. Washington and

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Speaker 1: Oregon get like half benefits for several years. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: somebody always gets left out, you know when when you

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Speaker 1: know Nebraska went to the Big Ten and Kansas got

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Speaker 1: left out because at the time all they had was basketball.

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Speaker 1: Their football stunk. But now they have a pretty good coach.

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Speaker 1: Somebody always gets left out. I honestly feel bad. I

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Speaker 1: always have for Utah because I think Utah has got

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Speaker 1: a really good football program and really good facilities and

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Speaker 1: really good boosters. I've been to half a dozen Utah

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Speaker 1: games over the course of my life. It's a great environment,

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Speaker 1: great fans. But you know, the Big Twelves got you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the Big Twelves much better than the ACC, ACC

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Speaker 1: is Clemson and everybody else. So and I think It's

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Speaker 1: fair to say that when Belichick was interviewing for this job,

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Speaker 1: they probably laid out their vision and it was getting

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Speaker 1: out of the ACC. The ACC is a wonderful academic conference,

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Speaker 1: but if you take Caroline and then clems it out,

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Speaker 1: you know, the football infrastructure feels pretty weak. So this

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Speaker 1: is this is really what we're getting in college football.

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Speaker 1: We're getting like the AFC and the NFC in pro football.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're doing here.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have I mean, each SEC school gets

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Speaker 1: fifty one million in rev share, an ac C school

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Speaker 1: gets forty five. And the difference is the SEC is

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Speaker 1: going to grow faster as you bring the new schools in.

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Speaker 1: So you can say, well, what about Miami. Miami hasn't

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Speaker 1: won a Natty in twenty four years. They've got one

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Speaker 1: massive booster. It's a sexy program, but they're you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't know, they don't they don't bring Let's be

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Speaker 1: honest about Miami. Nobody goes to their football games. They're

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Speaker 1: lousy in attendance. You know, it's just Carolina is a

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Speaker 1: bigger brand. Miami's got one really wealthy booster, mister Luiz,

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Speaker 1: who you know, has put.

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Speaker 3: A lot a lot of money into it.

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Speaker 1: But now, meanwhile, I think Sark, I think Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: is going from college to the NFL because there's so

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Speaker 1: much fluidity and so much movement the portal ni L

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Speaker 1: changing conferences. I asked Sark earlier today, who's friends with Saban?

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Speaker 1: I said, what do you make of the discussion of

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Speaker 1: Saban going to the NFL.

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Speaker 14: You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you. You

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Speaker 14: already have Nick Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: He's coaching Arch.

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Speaker 11: I got I only have Arch for one year. Shoot,

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna have him for two.

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Speaker 14: I think he feels really comfortable to me. You know,

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Speaker 14: he's really good on TV. I think he enjoys what

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Speaker 14: he gets to do. He's playing a ton of golf,

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Speaker 14: which which which he loves doing.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure, I'm sure.

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Speaker 14: You know, Miss Terry loves having him at home. So

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Speaker 14: I know he's one of, if not the most competitive

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Speaker 14: person I've ever been around. Some sort of those competitive

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Speaker 14: juices get flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like

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Speaker 14: he's having a lot of fun do a television. He

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Speaker 14: looks relaxed, and he's great for our sport. You know,

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Speaker 14: I know people are love tuning into to hear his

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Speaker 14: inside on all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: So we have two major changes happening in our American

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Speaker 1: sports landscape, the Live Tour and the PGA Tour. People

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Speaker 1: complain about it, but I will say, you know, I

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Speaker 1: watched Bryce and Deshamba at the Open. You know, he

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Speaker 1: took the live money. He's still in the big tournaments.

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Speaker 1: And Rory McElroy. I watched them winning Augusta. That's as

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Speaker 1: much fun as I've had watching a golf tournament. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, everybody complained about the Live Tour and the PGA,

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Speaker 1: and I do wish they'd kind of get back together.

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Speaker 3: I think there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I watched Live, I watched the PGA, watched

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Speaker 1: the Masters, and you know the Open and US Open.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, everybody does so.

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Speaker 1: And then we have this big change in college football

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Speaker 1: where we disbanded basically the Pac twelve conference, the one

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Speaker 1: I grew up with. I didn't love it, but I

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Speaker 1: had talked about that with friends for years. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: nobody's going to the games, it's running the conference. The

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Speaker 1: USC was complaining privately about not making any more money

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Speaker 1: than Washington State and Oregon State, And in the end,

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Speaker 1: this is just the reality. Follow the money, the Live Tour,

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Speaker 1: PGA follow the money. Had the PGA for years treated

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Speaker 1: their great golfers better. Maybe they don't go to the

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Speaker 1: Live Tour, but they did. They're still there. I still

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Speaker 1: like watching them. And in college football, we're going to

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Speaker 1: have two major conferences and they're eventually and I think

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Speaker 1: it's they should. If you have a twelve team playoff,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I want, I want, you know, seven

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Speaker 1: or eight of the teams to come from the big

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Speaker 1: ten in the SEC. You know, we always talk ourselves

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Speaker 1: into college football the parody. You've got to get the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers into the you got to get them into

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Speaker 1: the playoff. And then we watched that game and after

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Speaker 1: about like two series, you're like, yeah, they can't really

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Speaker 1: compete with Notre Dame. So I think that's that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the real tug of war is when the

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Speaker 1: big ten in the SEC as they're going into monster conferences.

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Speaker 1: How many automatic bids do they get? So I've never

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Speaker 1: bought into this. Hawaii deserves to be in the Sugar Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I watched them play Georgia. They got boat raced. We

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Speaker 1: all know, if you're not a top twelve recruiting machine,

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Speaker 1: in college football, you have no chance to win the

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Speaker 1: national championship. You can go look at the last twenty

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Speaker 1: national champions there may only be one that wasn't a

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Speaker 1: top ten to twelve recruiting power. That's why Clemson, I think,

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Speaker 1: is really good this year, but they've said no thanks

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Speaker 1: to the portal and the NIL and I think it's hard.

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Speaker 1: There's just too many good players in the portal that

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Speaker 1: can make you better at weaknesses very quickly. If Ohio

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Speaker 1: State's doing it, you know, if Notre Dame and George

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Speaker 1: is doing it, I'd be doing it too. Clemson's not.

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Speaker 1: So the story is Clemson and Carolina could be going

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Speaker 1: to the SEC. I completely believe those stories, and I

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Speaker 1: think Notre Dame will eventually go to the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: I think you really think Cal's going to stay in

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Speaker 1: the ACC? Does that feel like a natural? I mean

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Speaker 1: some of those things just aren't. They're just not gonna

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Speaker 1: last very long. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I think that's a great point, like how does the

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Speaker 10: Big Ten counter the SEC potentially adding Clemson or North Carolina?

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Speaker 11: And I think they go after Notre Dame.

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Speaker 10: That's the logical move, right, I mean, Notre Dame fits

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Speaker 10: a Big Ten academically, athletically, it's just a seamless fit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean a Notre Dame fits the Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: and Notre Dame has always been sort of we're going

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Speaker 1: to do our own thing. Okay, we'll play a partial

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Speaker 1: schedule with the ACC. ACC now is second tier and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame doesn't want to be second tier with anything.

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Speaker 1: But if Carolina and Clemson leave, it's duke basketball and

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Speaker 1: a couple.

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Notre Dame and Clemson just signed

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Speaker 1: a twelve year contract to play a bunch of times.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that works out, all right, We'll see tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Friday.

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Speaker 5: They heard