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Speaker 3: That Sunday hang with playing Buck.

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Speaker 2: My take on leaf blowers, as I put it on

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Speaker 2: social media after I set it on the show, it

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Speaker 2: has provoked a firestorm in the In the mentions, people

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Speaker 2: are just metaphorically pulling out their axes and taking chops

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Speaker 2: at each other. Let me just be clear, if you

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Speaker 2: There should be no leaf blowing before nine am, definitely

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Speaker 2: before nine am on the weekends. And people out there

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Speaker 2: are like, I wake up earlier. I got up at

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Speaker 2: four twenty in the morning for six years. All right,

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Speaker 2: I understand some of you get up early in the morning.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean the first thing you need to do

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Speaker 2: think that if you want to go blow your leaves

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Speaker 2: after nine am and somebody's upset, that's on them. Pre

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Speaker 2: nine am, you were not the good guy here. You

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Speaker 2: are the evil leaf blowing monster of your neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: I like when I can, in good conscience stand to

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Speaker 1: thwart Clay's pronouncements and try to push back on a

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Speaker 1: clay ism. I cannot do that here. I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with him. So if some of you want to take

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Speaker 1: up the side of Big leaf Blower, if you want

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Speaker 1: to be on team Big leaf Blower, you can do

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Speaker 1: that right into us Clayanbuck dot com if you're VIP. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you want to send us and you know this

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Speaker 1: is easier for you for a lot of folks. If

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Speaker 1: you're on the iHeart app, you can press go to

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. On the iHeart app, there's a little

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Speaker 1: microphone like what is that. You can press it and

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Speaker 1: record a message to us, and it will go to us,

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Speaker 1: and the team will play it for us, and we

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Speaker 1: can even play it on the air. But Clay, I

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Speaker 1: cannot disagree with you on this one. I was hoping

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Speaker 1: you a hard time, but Leafblowers got the terror of you.

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Speaker 1: Leaf Blowers pre nine am needs to stop.

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Speaker 3: I can't look there.

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Speaker 2: I'm big on this, and I understand some of you

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Speaker 3: When I'm at my Florida place.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna sound like the biggest deva on the planet.

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Speaker 2: They start with the leaf blowing there even in first

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Speaker 2: of all, it can't be that effective. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: start with can we bring back the rake? I would

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Speaker 2: submit to you that the rake has been unfairly maligned

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Speaker 2: and was actually effective in a huge way for a

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Speaker 2: is just blow leaves back and forth at each other's yard,

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Speaker 2: so you don't actually clean anything up. You just push

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Speaker 2: And it's like the Magno lines constantly getting redefined. Here

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Speaker 2: you're not actually producing anything of value. We got leaf

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Speaker 2: trench warfare. Back in the day, you had the rake,

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Speaker 2: And maybe you burned it, maybe you bagged it up,

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Speaker 2: Is it like anti climate change now to burn leaves.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what the latest is on that

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Speaker 2: And if you're up early in the morning with the

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Speaker 1: I cannot disagree with you here. I will tell you.

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Speaker 1: I also had someone sitting next to me on the

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Speaker 1: on that. You are a chad no no headphones, no headphones.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here, I'm trying to prepare for the

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Speaker 1: radio show. I've got my noise canceling headphones in not

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Speaker 1: volume eleven for two hours of the flight yesterday. Clay, really,

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, when you have kids, all your

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Speaker 4: Clay and Buck, your argument against leaf blowing before nine

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Speaker 3: Sundays with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: The leaf blowing community both thro and con absolute uproar.

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Speaker 2: You thought abortion religion third rails that you could not

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Speaker 2: touch the leaf blowing. Opinions are rampant. It's like buck

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Speaker 2: and I'm very strong, a very strong opinion on this too.

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Speaker 2: What you should do about reclining seats on airplanes, I

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Speaker 2: If you are anywhere near six feet and you are

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Speaker 3: Other people of you. My wife's five two.

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Speaker 2: I look over sometimes on airplane flights and it's like

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Speaker 2: If you are a decent sized man in an airplane

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Speaker 2: trying to bring common courtesy the world and bring everyone together.

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Speaker 2: We will take some of your responses there.

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Speaker 1: Early morning, leaf flowers and flute players coming for Clay.

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Speaker 1: Once again he has he has kicked over the leaf pile.

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Speaker 1: He is getting a lot of heat. And here we

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Speaker 1: have a leaflow This is from our talkback San Antonio listener.

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Speaker 1: Ben owns a landscape company. Let's play this one.

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Speaker 5: I use leaf flowers whenever I have to. I own

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Speaker 5: a landscape company and I do lawn maintenance. I have

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Speaker 5: ten to fifteen lons per day on Thursdays and Fridays.

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Speaker 5: And if I don't get started at seven, then I'm

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Speaker 5: going to have an issue finishing before it gets dark

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Speaker 5: out now, but even before I'll be up until I'll

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Speaker 5: be working until eight thirty in the summer. And if

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Speaker 5: I don't get started early, so that's my issue.

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Speaker 1: What say you, Clay, Should he get night vision goggles?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want him out after dark. I appreciate the

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Speaker 2: fact that he works hard. Man, sleep in a little

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Speaker 2: bit in the morning and come out a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: And look in particular all of you non professional leaf blowers,

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Speaker 2: because his full time job is that right, A lot

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Speaker 2: of you with your own leaf blowers are running around

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Speaker 2: on the weekend at seven am, destroying the sleep habits

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Speaker 2: of Americans everywhere. And you know who agrees with me,

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton's fabulous mother. She has great taste in the

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Speaker 2: leaf blowing issue as well.

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Speaker 6: I agree. I'll stand with my lawnmower eight fifty five

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Speaker 6: on a Saturday morning, and what's what's the clock go

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Speaker 6: then I'll pull the cord. Same thing with me.

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Speaker 3: Flowers Sunday drop with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: We've also got a listener talk back clip here and

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Speaker 1: this is I, guys, I'm not sure this is Phoenix

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Speaker 1: listener Paul. So can we hear from Phoenix listener Paul?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the number is on this one.

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Speaker 7: Clay Buck love your show. There is one exception to

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Speaker 7: the leaf lower thing here in Arizona. In Phoenix at

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Speaker 7: seven o'clock in the morning, people started early with their

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Speaker 7: yardwork in the summertime because it's already one hundred degrees

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Speaker 7: by nine o'clock, it's one hundred and five hundred and

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Speaker 7: especially the Phoenix metro area, you know, that is the

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Speaker 7: one exception to the rule. But outside of that, I'm

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Speaker 1: You, Clay, you leaf blower tyrant, do you make this

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Speaker 1: exception for extreme heat in the early morning leaf blowing community.

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Speaker 7: I do not.

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Speaker 2: I think you should put on like a liquid filled suit,

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Speaker 2: air condition yourself and let people sleep. Let me just

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Speaker 2: say this, you leaf blowers have come at me. You're

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Speaker 2: I stick to it. We have a basketball court in

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Speaker 2: because I am a civilized person concerned about everyone who

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Speaker 8: You guys are some of the biggest babies. Sometimes the

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Speaker 8: in the northeast where the leaves are. I don't even

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Speaker 8: except for grass blowing. Anyways, stumpying babies.

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Speaker 9: I hate to tell you that you're wrong play. I'm

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Speaker 9: a mother of four, and I pride myself on teaching

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Speaker 9: them good manners. That child definitely should have had headphones on.

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Speaker 9: You're right, Buck, teach your kids how to have good manners.

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Speaker 5: You can't go wrong.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday Sizzle with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: Happy eightieth birthday to my dad norm Travis, turning eighty

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Speaker 2: years old today. We have got dinner. He broke his

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Speaker 2: hip recently, he is recovering. He listens to the show

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Speaker 2: every single day. Fabulous Dad. I'm a lucky kid who

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Speaker 2: have been raised by him as good of a dad

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Speaker 2: as there could be anywhere on the planet. And all

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Speaker 2: six of his grandkids are going to be a dinner

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Speaker 2: tonight along with my sister and me, so he will

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Speaker 2: have a fun dinner tonight. But happy eightieth birthday to him.

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Speaker 2: We got a couple of different reactions that are funny.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Judy, who wanted to fire away at me.

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Speaker 2: Here's what Judy had to.

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Speaker 10: Say, Clay, this is a response to your airline reclining

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Speaker 10: sit in front of you on a long cross country

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Speaker 10: flight and I will recline my seat the whole way

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Speaker 2: What about Judy Buck just teeing off on me. She

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Speaker 1: Well you got that. And then also from our VIP's Clay,

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Speaker 1: Wayne writes the pronunciation police pulling Clay over writing him

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Speaker 1: for failure to do a number of things. Here, Clay,

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Speaker 1: it is not Ethel. It is Ethel. My ears hurt

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Speaker 1: When did you even say this?

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Speaker 2: I think I might have said ethel. That's an old

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Speaker 1: You are a lot of ethyls. Listen, you better mind

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever met anybody named Ethel.

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Speaker 2: Brian says, here's the complication to what Clay was asserting.

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Speaker 2: He's right, meaning guys are lying and voting for Trump.

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Speaker 2: What do the guys do to fake disappointment when Trump wins?

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Speaker 3: Big trouble?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, When Trump wins, you get to feel

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Speaker 2: you say, honey, I'm so sorry about this. You give

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Speaker 3: Double win for you.

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Speaker 2: Come on chess, not checkers.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Ali Beth Stuckey. Notebook Toxic Empathy. How

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Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I actually can ask you before we get into toxic empathy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw I was on Bill Maher.

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Speaker 1: We talked about toxic masculinity, which is also just known

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Speaker 1: to democrats as masculinity. Seems to me like hating men

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Speaker 1: might have electoral consequences. What do you think, Oh, you

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Speaker 12: I think the tide is turning on that book. I mean,

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Speaker 12: I think Democrats have basically nailed this whole masculinity thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when they said that they had that one

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.

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Speaker 12: I won't even pretend to know what that means. But

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty gather that that's pretty it's pretty fair toxic empathy.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see

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Speaker 1: it just because of this issue and its resonance? What

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Speaker 12: You know, people say that this is such an unpopular

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Speaker 12: But it's really that the lies that are constructed by

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Speaker 12: exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely

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Speaker 11: This is what you should vote for.

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Speaker 12: Because they understand that the barberism that is abortion is

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Speaker 1: It also bothers me, Alex, because I think that there's

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it.

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Speaker 12: Because most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,

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Speaker 11: Will open up the border.

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Speaker 12: And it goes like that on every issue, whether it's

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Speaker 11: They pull at your heart strings and make you think

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Speaker 12: Only righteous position to take is theirs, and unfortunately that

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we've seen that progression ali, particularly on

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Speaker 1: But if you go back and look at that progression,

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Speaker 11: Exactly.

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Speaker 12: It always starts out with, well, how does this hurt you?

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Speaker 12: It goes back to redefining marriage because love is love

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Speaker 11: But You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 12: It capitalizes on our desire to not be seen as bad,

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Speaker 12: And unfortunate, that's where we are. But hopefully we can

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I want to ask you. What is

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that hey, empathetic,

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Speaker 11: That's not the route that I take in the book.

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Speaker 12: I actually give a lot of credit to the heartstring

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Speaker 11: That was a preventable murder.

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Speaker 12: And that should be our guide in policy making, not

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Speaker 1: Ali Beth stucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic

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Speaker 1: Empathy How Progressives exploit Christian compassions. You can see right here.

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Speaker 1: I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it. Ali, thank you so much, great

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Speaker 1: to have you