1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders alongside Ian Rapidmore and Mike 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Garrett Polo. I am Tom Pelaicero. Lie to you only 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: slightly a couple of weeks ago, and I said that 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: was the final YouTube and podcast edition of this show. 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna be on the network every night, SEVENBM Eastern 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Time through the Super Bowl. Forgot Monday wild Card game 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: means this show is on. It's not super anymore, but 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: there's still six games an he places to put on 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: this one Monday night. Hence we're here, not there back 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: on the network on Tuesday. We got a ton to discuss, 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: including what has already been set up. We now know 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: three out of the four divisional playoff matchups, pending the 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: outcome of tonight's Vikings Rams game. It starts out with 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: the Texans at the Chiefs at four thirty pm Eastern 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: time next Saturday, Commanders at Lions on Saturday night. Then 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: the of that Rams Vikings game is at the Eagles 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: three pm Eastern time on Sunday, Ravens at Bill's six 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern Time on Sunday. So you got up 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: to speed, We'll get to those games. We'll get to 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: some of the matchups. We'll get to what we saw 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: last night, but let's start up by talking about the 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: news of the day, which is that Mike McCarthy and 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are now going their separate ways. After extensive 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: talks between Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy, these about the 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season as well as how to move forward. 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: They got into the piece that needed to be done, 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: which was the business. They had talks, though not formal negotiations, 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: which by definition mean an exchange of bargaining proposals. Length 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: of contract was one of the issues on which they 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: were not able to come to terms, and so it 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: became apparent by late this morning that they were going 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: to be going their separate ways. We'll bring Jane Slater 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: into the conversation on this topic as well, but Ian, 34 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: I come to you first. All signs at one point 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: I Jane seemed to be pointing toward Mike McCarthy being back, 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: including Jerry Jones' own statements four months but obviously Jerry 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: also had other ideas and they were not able to 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: get a deal done. Yeah to me, unmute yourself. 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: There, Ian, first time using a microphone. You got me now? 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Ye're cool. 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: I think I hit it while setting it up. You 42 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: talk about the you know, negotiations or talks or whatever. 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: I don't know that any of that makes sense in 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: my brain because the only thing that really matters is like, 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: did you start talking about a future together or not? 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: And like if we know, as you reported that the 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: Cowboys were not, we're not on the same page with 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: McCarthy when it comes to the amount of years he 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: was going to be their coach. Well, obviously they talked 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: about something or negotiated about something, So like all of 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: this like did they talk to they negotiate like that? 52 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: To me is like I don't know. To me, that 53 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: sounds like an negotiation. 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: But I want to go back to something we've talked 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: about over the last couple probably week or so, which 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: is like, in my head, I have assumed and. 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: Thought that McCarthy would be back. 58 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: I feel like you guys were all kind of there too. 59 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: You read the tea leaves, you listen to Jerry's comments, 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: you know what McCarthy's thoughts are. 61 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: It makes sense they're back. 62 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: And I would always say, like, you know, as long 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: as they could agree on, you know, a number of years, 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: then it would be fine. Well, they did not come 65 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: close to that. And if McCarthy wanted to be here 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: long term and wanted to avoid the like is he 67 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: going to be back? Is he not? Situation he's been 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, and the Cowboys were 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: not fully committed to a four year deal with him 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: or whatever it is. 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: Then they did the right thing. 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: They should have broken up if they couldn't agree they 73 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: were going to be their long term together, then they 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: did the right thing because going through this year like 75 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: they did, where it's like every day was a contract 76 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: negotiation publicly that cannot last. 77 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: So to me, like whether or not. 78 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: You think, however good you think Mike McCarthy is, like, 79 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: this was the right move because the two sides clearly 80 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: were not on the same page moving forward, and that's 81 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: how we are where we are, and the Cowboys need 82 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: a new coach and McCarthy needs a job. 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 4: I could do a whole podcast on this, guys, because 84 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 4: if you've been. 85 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: Around THEE this podcast a whole podcast. 86 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 5: And if you know Jerry Jones, you know I was 87 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 5: there for his forty eight minutes post game with us, and. 88 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: I'm we're grilling him well, and I was asking a. 89 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 5: Lot of the questions along the lines of, you know, 90 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 5: he kept bringing up this idea of an incentive based contract, 91 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 5: and I said, how do you sell that to a 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 5: Super Bowl winning coach. That might work for a college 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: coach who wants to get in the NFL, or it 94 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 5: might work for like an O C or DC that 95 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 5: wants to make a name for themselves, particularly with the 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys. 97 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 4: But when he started going in that direction, I was like, huh. 98 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 5: And then Mike McCarthy had said this on the podium 99 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 5: to US reporters. He did not appreciate heading into this 100 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 5: season on an expiring deal. It just all of us 101 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 5: get contracts. We all negotiate through our agents. It doesn't 102 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 5: feel good that at the eleventh hour you still don't 103 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 5: have numbers, you don't have terms, and oh, by the way, 104 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 5: I'm also not going to let you go. 105 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: Talk to somebody else. 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 5: You have covered the Cowboys for a long time and 107 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 5: you've been in this building. You know how Jerry works. 108 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 5: I truly think Jerry thought. I think he miscalculated Mike 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 5: McCarthy's resolve. And I say that because. 110 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: For options or leverage. 111 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 5: More than that, I think I think Mike's a proud man, 112 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 5: and I think it got to a point with him 113 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 5: where you know, you should have known where this thing 114 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: was going at the end of the season, and then 115 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 5: you we're still at the eleventh hour. We don't have numbers, 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 5: we don't have times. And then from what I've understood 117 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 5: is the contract I'm still working on the years, but 118 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 5: the way it's being characterized to me, if you put 119 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 5: that contract in front of my face, I probably would 120 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 5: have thrown out the peace sign to you too. And 121 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 5: so I think ultimately, I think Jerry thought deadlines make 122 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 5: deals and he was going to get a discount on 123 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 5: this coach, and Mike was like, I'm not going to 124 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 5: be played to me. It's no different than when you're 125 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 5: dating somebody. And I know you guys are all in 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 5: successful marriages. 127 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: Let's talk this is I've had a couple of. 128 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: Failed relationships over the years. 129 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 5: But to what we're here for, You're you're working through 130 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: the relationship and you think you're on the same page. 131 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: You're like, well, we'll move into with each other. 132 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 133 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: If I'm still ready to put a ring on your finger. 134 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm. 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 5: Like ready to get married, but like we'll move in 136 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 5: with each other and we'll split the bills. And I 137 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 5: think ultimately Mike's like, nah, like I'm ready to go 138 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 5: be a free agent, Like put me out in the 139 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: open market. Someone's going to put a ring on this finger. 140 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 5: And so I think that's ultimately what happened. This is 141 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 5: just based on a bunch of my conversations and then 142 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 5: I just got on the radio and said some of 143 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 5: these things. 144 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 4: And I find it interesting that Tad Carber, the PR 145 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: person of the Cowboys, just. 146 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 5: Comes out with a statement, you mean Jerry around some 147 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: of this right now about how these talks went down. 148 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: And so I think Jerry's a little caught off guard here. 149 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 5: I think he always has a plan being I think 150 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: he has an idea of people that he wants to 151 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 5: bring in the building. 152 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 4: But I truly believe he thought. 153 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 5: That he was going to get Mike McCarthy back here, 154 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 5: and I think he I think he overplayed his hand 155 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 5: and didn't realize that Mike was like, unless you're gonna 156 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 5: you put me through a lot the last year, unless 157 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 5: you're going to make a deal to me that makes 158 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 5: sense and respects me, I'm out, what are. 159 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: The latest dating apps. 160 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: I was going to make a dating app joke, but 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to name the wrong one that that 162 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: sort of like means something else. 163 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: I don't. 164 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 5: I love to make a joke here, ann, but I won't. 165 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 5: I don't do dating apps. 166 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: Oh. 167 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 4: I'm a social person, you know, like out there. I 168 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: don't have to go sell myself. 169 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: It's not Look, it wasn't. 170 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: If it was a clean break, they would have they 171 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 6: would have not blocked the Bears. They would have let 172 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 6: him go at the end of the season. This was 173 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 6: something where there was I don't think that this was 174 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 6: a charade for a week to make it look like 175 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 6: maybe we'll hang on because you're also falling behind in 176 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 6: these coaching here. 177 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: To which I don't. 178 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 6: I don't think is is that big of an issue. 179 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 6: I mean, the only guy that's off the board right 180 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 6: now is Mike Rabel and they weren't going to hire 181 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 6: an issue. 182 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: Eh Ben Johnson, no, Aaron Glenn no spags your boy 183 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: man man. 184 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 5: First of all, feel like musical chairs though, guys, right, 185 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 5: I think that's what frustrates the fan base is because 186 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 5: you know, and I got to be careful when I 187 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 5: say this is but it's just you. 188 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 4: Get to him doing it. I'm like, you know, at 189 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: the beginning. 190 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 5: Of the season, Jerry said he's the best GM out there, 191 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 5: and then but this is not how you handle a 192 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 5: coaching search like that. And I think to the fans 193 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 5: it's felt very dysfunctional this year and now it's it's 194 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 5: if you didn't think you were going to come to 195 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 5: the table with a contract that respected Mike and you 196 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 5: were still I heard he was still very Jerry was 197 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 5: still very much wavering this week. 198 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: So if you're still. 199 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 5: Wavering, it's like, just go ahead and let him test 200 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 5: the open market. You could have always matched whatever offer 201 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 5: someone else had, but he didn't do that, and I 202 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: think that's what created some tension here. Not to mention 203 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 5: Mike's staff had been cut back in recent years, I 204 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 5: had players tell me there were areas that they would 205 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 5: have mean in certain areas he had gone to Jerry, 206 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 5: I mean gone to Mike last year and had Mike 207 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: trim down his coaching staff. 208 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: And in the condition staff positions, and in turn, Jane 209 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: is correct. 210 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 5: On that, and so that I think frustrated. You know, 211 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 5: some of the people in the building, and I think 212 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: people think, well, Jerry's a billionaire. He's got all this money. 213 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 5: What people don't realize. And I've talked to several coaches 214 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: about this. He leads the league and trying to get 215 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 5: these teams not to overpay the coaching position. I think 216 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 5: what we've we've got here. Again, I'm walking on thin 217 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 5: ice here. I think that he sort of devalues the 218 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 5: coaching position. And I think it's it's what's been tripping 219 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: him up in recent years. 220 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: Or just doesn't value it that how. 221 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 3: I mean, there are there are some people like that 222 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: who believe that personnel is the power. But of course 223 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: he he's the personnel, Mike, So like that's sort of 224 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: like valuing his own contributions. You know. 225 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I just when I was talking about this coaching 226 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 6: search and you know, falling behind. I don't think it's 227 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 6: a big deal. I this coaching search has the potential 228 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: to get weird. 229 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: Oh yes it does. 230 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 6: And it's not gonna be over until it gets weird. 231 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 6: I don't know it's gonna end weird, but it's gonna 232 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 6: get weird. 233 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 5: And I mean the Cowboys or it was weird after 234 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 5: Jason Garrett. I remember I was standing outside reporting and 235 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 5: talking to staff and they're like Jason Garrett's in here 236 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 5: with a binder, you know, underneath his arm, and he's 237 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 5: still doing his exit interviews whatever. And then Tom did 238 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 5: that great piece on Mike McCarthy. All of a sudden, 239 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy's in the building and Jerry Jones Junior himself 240 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 5: said it was a dinner and he's leaned over and said, Daddy, 241 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 5: I think we found our coach and before and they 242 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 5: had Marvin Lewis and Ron Rivera who came in after that. 243 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: And it's like. 244 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 4: All the names that are getting kicked. 245 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 5: Around right now, and I don't want to say anything 246 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 5: just yet. 247 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to change. 248 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: So here's what I will say about the Cowboys. What 249 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: I am. 250 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: Can you say? Here's what I will say. 251 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 6: Now you're not going to say it? 252 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: What will you not say? 253 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 4: Here's what I'll say about the Cowboys. 254 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 5: In recent years, I've noticed when they've tried to bring 255 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 5: in outsiders. 256 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: Dallas is such a unique place. 257 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 5: And you know that if you've covered the Cowboys and 258 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 5: then you go and see these thirty one other teams, 259 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 5: I think that it's got to be some homegrown connection 260 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 5: or somebody that has been in this building before to 261 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 5: understand the ecosystem and make this thing work. 262 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: Dion Dion Jans it don't say God, that could be 263 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: your reality. 264 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: Jane, Yeah, Jane, is it? 265 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 6: Is it somebody else with the connection to the organization, Jane. 266 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 5: I think that, I know, I know through fact a 267 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 5: phone call was made to somebody today with a connection 268 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 5: to this organization would be very interesting. 269 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: I'm saying, say it. 270 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 6: All right, all right, texting on a group three because 271 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 6: I want to know if we're on the same page. 272 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: Here, Jerry. 273 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 5: You have to do if the fans Jerry says a 274 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 5: lot of things, folks, All you have to do is 275 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: you just have to pay attention. 276 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the thing is he's He talks and 277 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: talks and talks. It's one of the many unique challenges 278 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: of being the Dallas Cowboys head coach. And so people 279 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: check your phone, Jane. What they're walking in, Jane text us. 280 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna need to know what they're walking into to 281 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: take that job. Jerry, knowing how he thinks of this 282 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: in terms of his business and the star and one 283 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: of the great properties in all pro sports and all 284 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: the business he's going to it's not just going to 285 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: be am I not on the group text. 286 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 6: I'm sorry here. Yeah no, I just texted. 287 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: iPad it's who. 288 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 6: We talked about earlier. 289 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're on the same page. 290 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 4: You know who it is. 291 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: At any rate. 292 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: Going to be weird. 293 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: When I first heard that one, it was wild to me. 294 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: And I think Jerry had a plan for this person 295 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 5: with Mike still involved, and I think that that is 296 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 5: shaking some things up right now, and now we have 297 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: to figure out how that all fits in. 298 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 6: All right, the four of us, Let's not get beat 299 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 6: on this then if we're all save this clip because. 300 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: I just don't want to. 301 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 5: I don't want to characterize what it is right now 302 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 5: because I know what it what it was, I know 303 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 5: what it was initially being discussed about. But I want 304 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 5: to be careful because I make sure I really source 305 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 5: my stuff to understand what dynamic that exactly would be. 306 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: All right, Jane, give me give me this before you go. 307 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: So they're gonna run this score, They're going to run 308 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: this coaching search, whatever direction that might go. Tell me 309 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: about the personnel, their approach to free agency, which is 310 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: very minimal this year, their approach to the draft, the 311 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: cap basically everything about if you're the new head coach 312 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: walking into the Dallas Cowboys. What are you walking into 313 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: besides all the Jerry stuff in twenty twenty five and 314 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: beyond well, I. 315 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 5: Mean, obviously they're gonna to figure out their running back situation. 316 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 5: Rico Dawdle was someone this coaching staff wanted to run 317 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: with more from what they saw at camp, and then 318 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 5: they brought in Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott who weren't 319 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 5: special teams guys, and that put him in a weird situation. 320 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: Offensive line, Is Zach Martin coming back or is he 321 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 5: retiring after his injury? You didn't get a ton of 322 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 5: production out of your tight ends this year, so you 323 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 5: going to address that, Like is Luke and Fergie your 324 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 5: guys moving forward? 325 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: Defensive end? 326 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 6: I think the coach in tight up tight ends up? 327 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: Jane. 328 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just there's there's a lot of areas and 329 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 5: that's why I also think. 330 00:14:58,840 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: Nobody thought that was funny. 331 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, I got it. I'm trying to play straight here. 332 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 5: That's why I thought it was also looking even for 333 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 5: you know, Mike. I mean, think about if Mike was 334 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: to go somewhere like the Bears. He's getting a young 335 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 5: roster he's getting fresh picks. Ultimately, that's what Dan Quinn 336 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 5: got when he went to the Commanders. You are sort 337 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 5: of coming to Dallas in a situation where you have 338 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 5: so much of the pie, as Steven and Jerry talk 339 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: about it eating up right now, with three of your 340 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 5: big guys, and you've also got to figure out what 341 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 5: to do with Mikeah Parsons and so I just whoever. 342 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: Comes has got to really be able to develop. 343 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 5: I think some young talent and expect a lot out 344 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 5: of all the guys that they draft early. 345 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 4: That's why one guy I would be interested in seeing here. 346 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: And I'll leave you guys with this. 347 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's any smoke here, but I 348 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 5: went to the University of Texas. I have always said 349 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 5: that the Dallas Cowboys and the Texas Longhorns are two 350 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: very similar franchises. You have to be more than a coach. 351 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 5: You have to be a politician. You have to be 352 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 5: able to work with these young guys. I do know 353 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 5: when I was talking to people this morning that a 354 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 5: lot of these young guys are declaring for the draft 355 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: right now at Texas. And that's because a bunch of 356 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 5: the young guys started going to the university and wanted 357 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 5: more money out of the nil Dells. Does that now 358 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 5: not make it as appealing for Sark to stay at Texas? 359 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would say about Sark Jane's fireing 360 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: them all. 361 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: Maybe it is an interesting thought. 362 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: I have not heard that you both got fined five 363 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: grand for that gesture of gone. 364 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: I have not heard that there's been any traction there. 365 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: I don't know that the Cowboys would decline to pay 366 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy and then pay a forty five million dollars 367 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: buy out to Sark if he was free. 368 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: Would they be interested? 369 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: I imagine they would be, But I don't know that 370 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: they'd pay forty five million dollars for him. 371 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: But I like the thinking, which is the same thing like. 372 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 4: But that's well, what's Dion's buyout? 373 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure less not forty five million? 374 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, the longhorned thing, the start thing 375 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 5: is why would be very wild to me. 376 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: Shark has done a fantastic job. It has NFL experience 377 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: like and is a good play card. Despite the toss 378 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: sweep on in the red zone. 379 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: Which was just do that. 380 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that was a terrible play call. 381 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: And by the way, I want to make sure just. 382 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: The playoff go on. 383 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: James, Well, I just want to make sure too, because 384 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 5: I went to Texas and you've got to be careful 385 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 5: what you fail these things. I don't want it to 386 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 5: get traction that I have any knowledge that Sarks the guy, 387 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 5: or that Sark has confirmed to me that I will say, 388 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 5: I don't have that. I do know that that the 389 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 5: Jones family thinks very highly a Sark. He was obviously 390 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 5: just in their building. He is a young coach, but 391 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 5: also one who's been in the league. Albeit you know, Atlanta. 392 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: We can talk about how that went. But I just 393 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 5: I thought that that was that was kind of interesting today. 394 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: I just it goes back to Jerry is. 395 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 5: I find it hard to believe that Jerry's going to spend 396 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 5: a ton of money on this coach, and that's what's 397 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 5: going to make it very very difficult here all around. 398 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: Even the Bill Belichick stuff in the by. 399 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Out, Dion's entire contract at Colorado five years is worth 400 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: twenty nine point five million. His buyout is ten million, 401 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: so a little different than the forty five million dollars 402 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: ian for sarcut Texas. 403 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 4: That would be interesting. 404 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 5: I mean, Deon, I didn't realize Dion's was like, I mean, 405 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 5: it's not terrible, it's not, but. 406 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: Like all his money's coming from other stuff that's not 407 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: the football program. 408 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 4: But see Jerry, that's how Jerry sells it to his players. 409 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 5: Though, right, guys, well, we can do licensing deals, we 410 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 5: can do whatever, like you could make the money work. 411 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 5: And what I will say about I still think that 412 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 5: marriage would be so weird, mostly because of how much 413 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: Jerry does talk and likes to have input. But if 414 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 5: you want to be in the headlines, you want people 415 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 5: talking about you. We saw him do that with a 416 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 5: Colorado program that respectfully didn't really earn that sort of 417 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 5: shine in Dion's first year, but all the networks were there. 418 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: Dan, You think Jerry likes TV coverage, thank you very much. 419 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: He gets his coverage from Jane Slater, who now has 420 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: a fun few weeks ahead of her amidst the wildest 421 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: coaching search in NFL history. 422 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: Enjoy you, thank you please. 423 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 4: I'm trying to connect the dots, guys. It's exhausting. 424 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: We also had a lot of action on the field. 425 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Through the course of wild Card weekend. We had five 426 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: games first four chalk home teams winning Mike. We finally 427 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: got an upset last night, and it was a Commander's 428 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: team that from the Dredges of the past quarter century, 429 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: have now won. Every step of this feels like another another, 430 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, kind of burying the curse right from twelve 431 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: to five. Now you're in the playoffs, you pull off 432 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: a road up set and it's nothing but good vibes here. 433 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: That was a competitive game. The fact that the you know, 434 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: the offense of the Bucks kind of faltered down the stretch, 435 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: I think was the surprising part of that. But every 436 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: time Jane Daniels gets the ball in his hands in 437 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: the high leverage moments, he's that rare guy, especially for 438 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: a rookie, that you feel like something good's gonna happen. 439 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, a fumbled snap is going to be the difference 440 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 6: in something that's going to torture the Buccaneers all entire 441 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 6: offseason because without that play there. 442 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: Did they explain it, by the way, Yeah, it was 443 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: a fake because the guy Jalen McMillan's clearly not expecting 444 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: the ball. I didn't see if they actually explained it 445 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: or not. 446 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. If I didn't see anything. 447 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 6: Postgame, I was in bed good for you. But yeah, 448 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 6: that's a tough one because I thought this Bucks team 449 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 6: had a chance to to kind of make a little 450 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 6: bit of noise. They showed some poison the postseason last year, 451 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 6: so to end the season that way is going to 452 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 6: be extremely frustrating for them, especially knowing that the Buck 453 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 6: the Commanders went for a couple of fourth downs instead 454 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 6: of taking the points, and that could have been something 455 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 6: that really could have tortured them. But the way they 456 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 6: put the ball in Jaden daniels hands in key spots, 457 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 6: the the third down play right where Cansey had a 458 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 6: chance to take him down and only got it. Yeah, 459 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 6: which was Elijah Knty is a stud. That dude's awesome. 460 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 6: He don't get enough credit for what he's able to do, 461 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 6: you know, for for for that play, and and uh 462 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 6: for Jaden Dais the remainder is calm. I mean, that 463 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 6: was his demeanor and we saw it, you know, training camp, 464 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 6: even last Super Bowl, got the chance to meet him 465 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 6: for the first time. He's just like he's a flat liner, 466 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 6: that dude. The whole way and the way that he 467 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 6: played this entire year, the way that he played with 468 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 6: that confidence and that poison, that calmness all the way 469 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 6: through and and uh, he's more of a precise passer 470 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 6: than than I expected he would be. He has just 471 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 6: been on point when he puts that ball in the 472 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 6: bucket down the field. He's a stud. And I think 473 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 6: they're I think they're gonna give Detroity game. I really do. 474 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 6: I know a lot of folks now. I think they're 475 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 6: gonna give Detroity game here. I'm really looking forward to 476 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 6: that matchup. 477 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: You know, there's a couple of interesting things that happen 478 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: kind of late in seasons, right, And one of my 479 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 3: favorite things is when you have a team that's like 480 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: kind of young and not experienced and doesn't really know 481 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: what they're doing, and some of their key players are 482 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 3: young and they're playing good, and they're kind of playing. 483 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: Together and don't really know how big the stage is. 484 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: They don't really know, they're kind of not really supposed 485 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: to be there, and they're just like the fun, fresh 486 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: team that just goes in and plays. Yeah, they just 487 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: don't know any better, right, And like that's sort of 488 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: the Commanders right now. But what I would add on 489 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: that is because Jaden has done it so many times 490 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: with the game on the line, like when they get 491 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: into those moments, Like his reaction to the doink field 492 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: goal that made it through the uprights was hilarious because 493 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: he literally looked and then. 494 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: Kind of was like all right, anyway, so we'll get 495 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: to the next game. 496 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 3: It was just like like almost no reaction, And I 497 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: feel like that's kind of where his team is. 498 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: It's like Lake game, fourth quarter, been there before. 499 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 3: This guy will probably save us, like gonna make some 500 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: plays with the game on the line, like okay, you know, 501 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: And like that mindset that combined with being a team 502 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: that just doesn't really know any better, has made them 503 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 3: kind of awesome. 504 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 2: Like I don't know that they're going to beat the Lions. 505 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: I guess probably not, but like I can't imagine a 506 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 3: better first season for the Commanders, for unbelievably tortured fan base, 507 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: for a bunch of lifers in the organization that just 508 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 3: have been through the freaking mud for like twenty years. 509 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: The Lions. This is a great matchup of like who's 510 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: been through more crap? I know the Lions kind of 511 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: got over that hump last year get into the NFC 512 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: Championship game, being a couple of mistakes away from going 513 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, but it's still it's a long 514 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: time for these fan bases. The Lions fans have had 515 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: a couple of years to get excited. The Commanders fans 516 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: are just getting used to, Hey, maybe this is gonna 517 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: be fun in January, and not about what coaches are 518 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: we firing immediately after the season. So they go to Detroit. 519 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: The Eagles will host the winner of the game tonight, 520 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: which is the Vikings and the Rams thanks to the 521 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: Eagles win over the Packers. One that you never want 522 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: to reduce things to a single play, no matter what 523 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: it happens. But Ian I thought it was I thought 524 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: it was informative that Matt Lafleur kind of expressed the 525 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: same thing that we all saw watching when he delivered 526 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: this long opening statement after the game, and one of 527 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: the first things he said was it's hard when you 528 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: start off the way we did, when it's you lose 529 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: a fumble on the opening kickoff and they converted into 530 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: points that proved to be too much to overcome. These 531 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: are at fifty eight fifty nine minutes after that, But 532 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: it was when you're going on the road into an 533 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: environment like that, against that tough of a team, you 534 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: can't have the big thing shift against you much less 535 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: on literally the opening staff. Now we can also argue 536 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: about who recovered that fumble. I still based on all 537 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: the angles they saw. For one thing, he takes a 538 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: helmet to the chin, and should that have been called 539 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: a use of helmet foul because it was a pretty 540 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: clear path. It looked like I'm sure Walt Anderson will 541 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: be on game day morning, will update on all this. 542 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: But then he enjoyed those segments. 543 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Have to say Walt is, Yeah, he's got a little 544 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: little humor that he he spices in. Colleen does a 545 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: great job with those segments. But then the fact that 546 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: every replay appears to show him holding the ball. I 547 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: don't know, like you could argue he wasn't holding it 548 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: tight enough, but clearly it got ripped away from him 549 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: in the pile to give it to the Eagles. The 550 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: Eagles score. Look at the rest of that game, it 551 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: was competitive. I the Packers defense played really really well. 552 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: But back to the original pointy and that just felt 553 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: like a game that once those initial couple of plays happened, 554 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: you felt like this is just gonna be an uphill battle. 555 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: It's exactly how it played. 556 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: Out well, And part of it's because like this is 557 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: what the Eagles were created for. They're like the ultimate bullies, right, 558 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: So it's like if you if you give the Eagles 559 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: a seven point lead, which is literally what happened, right, 560 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: I mean, handed him a seven point lead before the 561 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: game really got started. I think because of the way 562 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: they're constructed, they would probably beat anybody. Like they're tough, 563 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 3: they're physical. Saquan is just running down your throats and 564 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: they won't stop giving it to them even when they're up, 565 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: like a whole bunch, and he still looks pretty fresh, 566 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 3: and they just move people, and you know, with a 567 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: really really good offensive line actually going to see I 568 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: mean them and the Lions have probably the two best 569 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: offensive lines I think at the NFL. It's it is 570 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: fun to watch when it's like that. And so to me, 571 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: like it's the only thing you couldn't do if you're 572 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: the packer is you can't get down and let them 573 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: start leaning on you. And it's weird to me because 574 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: like if you said to me before this all started, 575 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: who's your upset team, what's the one team that would 576 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: not only be able to upset the team they're playing, 577 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: but also go to the Super Bowl. 578 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: For me, it would have been the Packers. 579 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: I think they are really close to the Lions, really 580 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: close to the Vikings, good enough to be that kind 581 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: of surprise team. And yet they obviously not because they lost, 582 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: but like they still couldn't overcome that. That was like 583 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 3: a little bit alarming and probably will lead to some 584 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 3: soul searching for the Packers. But they got a good 585 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: young quarterback and a really good coach and some really 586 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: good players, and they got some stuff to figure out. 587 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 2: The Gyro Alexander thing. I'm curious which way that goes. 588 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: I gotta take this so you guys continue. 589 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: But that's all I have. 590 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 6: I was gonna tell him even though the result he's 591 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 6: got a mute. 592 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: He got mute, so he was muted when he was on, 593 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: but now is not muted when he's on a call. 594 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: At least we been listening. We can find out what 595 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,239 Speaker 1: he's got going. 596 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's turned the volume up along. 597 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 5: I think you left the room. 598 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: It's a smart move anyway, Mike. 599 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 6: He's not wrong. By the way, I'll tell him this 600 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 6: since he's gone. He wasn't wrong about that. It just 601 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 6: depends on when he answered. Because I think back in December, 602 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 6: there was a lot of talk and and and you I, 603 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 6: you know what he said about the Packers. You run 604 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 6: it by people in the NFL, and like, yeah, that 605 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 6: was the team that a lot of folks were worried about. 606 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 6: But they started leaking oil and then you know, Jared 607 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 6: Jordan Love gets hurt and Milike Williams will is hurting 608 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 6: the same game, and then they start losing guys left 609 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 6: and right and Sunday, I mean, as guys are dropping 610 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 6: like flies in that game, You're just any thought of 611 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 6: a possible comeback was just completely out the window. The 612 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: last drive of the game, they had Tucker Craft serving 613 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 6: as basically an extra offensive tackle just to help out 614 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 6: with with the protection there, so he wasn't even releasing 615 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 6: into the route at that point. They ran a couple 616 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 6: of swings with him as a lead blocker, so which 617 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 6: they have done from time to time, but I'm just 618 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 6: saying at that point they were just trying against all 619 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 6: hope to get something going there. So look, this Eagles team. 620 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 6: I know there's you know, questions about Jalen Hurts, but 621 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 6: I thought repeatedly the Eagles have done a nice job 622 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 6: with Jalen hurts and playing his strengths offensively. He's not 623 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 6: the kind of guy that's gonna sit back there and 624 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 6: Peyton manning you he'll never be that guy. He can 625 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 6: go through his progression, he can go through his reads, 626 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 6: but that's, you know, ideally, not the way you want 627 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 6: him to be playing the game. 628 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: And so they. 629 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: Thought they did an ok job of that. 630 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 6: The other day, they got themselves into some obvious passing 631 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 6: situations and that's not where they're going to be successful. 632 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 6: And the Packers were able to play. And I still 633 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 6: think by the way the Packers moving forward defensively have 634 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 6: got a good feel about what they're doing with Jeff 635 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 6: Hafleay's defensive coordinator. But yeah, I think the Eagles is 636 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 6: going to face some teams coming up that are going 637 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 6: to force Jalen, especially if it's the Vikings and the 638 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 6: Rams too. I mean, the Rams are good up front, 639 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 6: but the Vikings with what Brian Flores does and then 640 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 6: Aaron Glenn as well. I want to see some of 641 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 6: the challenges that he faces because getting to the super 642 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 6: Bowl this year is definitely gonna be more of a 643 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 6: challenge for these defenses that he's facing in front of him. 644 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 6: The next couple of games. It's gonna be interesting. 645 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: We will talk about the Vikings Rams game. We will 646 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: talk about Mike Gravel being introduced as the Patriots new 647 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: head coach. Also talk about the AFC playoff games from 648 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: over the weekend in part two of this podcast. So 649 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: you can go find that one right now. It's on YouTube. 650 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Wherever you're listening to this or watching this, go find 651 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: the other half again. We'll be back on the network 652 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: seven game Eastern time on Tuesday night. Appreciate you all 653 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: for being here for Mike and the ghost of being. 654 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm Tom. We'll see it.