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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can

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Speaker 1: hit any.

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Speaker 2: Shot I kind of want.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds Podcast

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Speaker 4: Shane Bacon with Marty Jerts and Marty We've got a guest.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are gonna be interested

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Speaker 4: in listening to Scott Sullivan, the senior manager amateur player

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Speaker 4: development here at Ping and Scott, your guy played college golf,

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Speaker 4: played at ASU. Sorry about that by the way, as

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Speaker 4: an Arizona waldcap. But you have a really interesting job.

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Speaker 4: And I would say, as somebody that obviously is a

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Speaker 4: very good player, to make your way up through Ping

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Speaker 4: and get to develop young talent has got to be

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Speaker 4: something that's been very interesting and very thrilling. How do

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Speaker 4: you come into this position, Like how does this come

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Speaker 4: about in your life?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I finished school, I played professionally

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Speaker 2: for three years. I got as far as the corn

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Speaker 2: Ferry Tour now who was the Nike Tour back then?

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Speaker 2: But then I realized that I got myself in a

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Speaker 2: That didn't really prove to be a good formula, by

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Speaker 2: six months to decide what I wanted to do. I

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Speaker 3: Uh after you got in the door of Ping, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. When I started, I got in, did

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Speaker 2: fitting system, and actually, prior to that, we would take

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Speaker 2: But then we switched over to bring our top accounts

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Speaker 2: to see they They always ask the question, is you know,

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Speaker 2: we want to see Ping. We want to see what

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Speaker 2: then we'd bring them in and run them through a

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Speaker 3: You were at the very beginning of that. We just

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Speaker 2: It's certainly great experience for me.

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Speaker 3: But so you were, you were in early on of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then after that, I went over to the tour department,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think people like listening to the podcast

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Speaker 4: probably don't even know this exists for the most part.

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Speaker 4: I mean in terms of developing amateur players or funding

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Speaker 4: I can imagine your job has changed a lot in

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the main thing now is is it

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Speaker 2: At the the age The ages of the kids we

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Speaker 2: You know. Recently, there's a kid by the name of

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Speaker 4: send me your track by numbers, right, I mean it's

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Speaker 3: Scott we support about seventy teams collegiate. Teams we're up

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Speaker 4: Experience, YEAH i, mean it's a it's a great message

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Speaker 3: Success, SCOTT i want to transition a little bit to equipment.

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Speaker 3: SIDE i think in the last five years five years or,

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Speaker 2: Situation the first THING i tell them is let them

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Speaker 2: Everything go ahead and play another. Sport please play other,

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Speaker 4: it's four good shots And i'll play golf of them

433
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: all the, time it feels like it has fifty good shots,

434
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: around you.

435
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: KNOW i mean we talk so much about the.

436
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: Misses the one thing THAT i do find interesting about young,

437
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 4: people AND i like your opinion on, this is it

438
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 4: feels like young people are more mature. Now it feels

439
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 4: like they're able to handle. Situations not to say everybody,

440
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: is but you look at these young players coming out

441
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 4: of college and how competitive the amateur circuit, is both

442
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 4: the amateur wise and. Professional you See Nick dunlap last

443
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 4: year obviously whining as amateur first time since your teammate

444
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 4: did it in the early, Nineties like they seem like

445
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: they can handle these situations so much.

446
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: Better you, know just on. That you know That Nick

447
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: dunlop he won THE Us amateur and TWO Pga tour

448
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: events in a calendar. Year it's, incredible, unbelievable.

449
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 4: Some would say the hardest golf tournament to win in

450
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 4: THE Us, amateur and then he backs it up with

451
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 4: a couple of tour.

452
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: Wins so back to what you're saying is is that they,

453
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: are and the really good ones really, are and that's

454
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: what separates them from everybody. Else the top level. Ones

455
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: they're advanced maturity, wise and they're advanced their mental, strength

456
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: and they're they're comfortable with, THEMSELVES i, think AND i

457
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: think that all goes, together but it's, noticeable and those

458
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: are the ones that that do separate themselves from everybody.

459
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: Else, scott how do you feel when you go visit

460
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: a SU's new practice? Facility are you.

461
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: Get a little jealous that you didn't have that when

462
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: you're when you guys have been, there, right and it's you,

463
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: know And i've seen them. All it is the best.

464
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: One and and obviously the settings nice and, everything but

465
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: just the. Functionality AND I i have talked to you,

466
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: Know i've done stuff like this, before talking about the,

467
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: bird AND i, say you, know every shot is out.

468
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 2: There you just have to go out and imagine, it

469
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: because if you can imagine, it you'll find it out.

470
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: There but it's tremendous and AND i, Remember i'll never.

471
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: Forget this is back in the issue days where it

472
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: is now where the soccer stadium. Is you guys familiar

473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: with the campus down? There kid's where the picture where

474
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: the soccer stadium is. Now that used to be an open.

475
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Field we used to get broomsticks and duct tape golf.

476
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: Towels those are our pin flags and we'd go step

477
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: them off and pound them into the. Ground and that's

478
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: where we would do our wedge. Practice, yeah there's been

479
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: a there's been a lot of advancement in uh in.

480
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 2: Facilities and to tell you guys the, truth all the

481
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: top collegiate programs have something like, that and they're investing

482
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: millions of dollars and it is it's a direct result

483
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: of the success that some of these kids have because

484
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: they have that level of training facility and that level

485
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: of attention to.

486
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 4: Detail, SCOTT i got to ask somebody you missed, on

487
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: somebody that you were thinking, about you were, evaluating and you,

488
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 4: Went i'm not sure about this guy and then they

489
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: went on or this girl then went on to to be.

490
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: Incredible mm, gosh if nobody comes to, mind that's. Okay

491
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: But i'm just, uh you, KNOW i, Mean i'm assuming

492
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: every college coach has probably had a couple of people

493
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: where they.

494
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: Went, yeah we've all had one that got. Away you.

495
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: Know it's, like, man that person was so much better

496
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: AND i thought they were gonna Be.

497
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: NO i can't really think of anybody like. THAT i

498
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: can't think of that some that that certainly tried to

499
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: but Didn't, okay didn't didn't get. Them Luke, clanton who's

500
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: in the field here this, week who you guys are

501
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: familiar with that. Name he's been tearing it. Up he's

502
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: one of. Them but that comes with the that comes

503
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: with the.

504
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: Territory it's competitive, company it's competitive.

505
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: Business, Yeah AND i tell you, what at the at

506
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: the the amateur, level it's much much more competitive than

507
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: it is at this tour. Level, interesting and think about

508
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: it because at the amateur, level everybody's a free. Agent,

509
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: here everybody has their stable of, players right that are you,

510
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: know endorsed to do, So whereas at the ammeter, level

511
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: everybody's a free. Agent so you're you're fighting and clawing

512
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: every single, week every single day to hang on to

513
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: what you've. Got in a lot of times we find

514
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: ourselves playing.

515
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: Defense, interesting how has just THE nil deals changed your

516
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: landscape in your?

517
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: World?

518
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: Uh some some we're involved in it and WHAT nil

519
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: is It it's a necessary thing and it's not going.

520
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: Away so eventually we realized we had to get involved in,

521
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: it and we. Are but what it is is it's

522
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 2: it's to let the player know that, hey we leaving.

523
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: You we want to continue a relationship with you once

524
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: you get to the next. Level so this is just

525
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: showing you a little sign of love. That, hey you

526
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: know when it when it's all said and done and

527
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: you're ready to turn, pro we want we want to

528
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: talk and we want to do.

529
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: A Deal, scott before we lets you. Go you played

530
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: With phil at a Su was that?

531
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: RIGHT i? Did?

532
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: Yeah can you share a story of when you realized

533
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 4: how Good Phil mickelson was at? Golf was there a

534
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 4: moment you saw it or a shot you saw, it

535
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: or around of golf that you saw where you, Went

536
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 4: this dude's got a different, gear.

537
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: A couple different. Things is you, know we would we

538
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: go out and, play whether it's we're just playing the

539
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: player or qualifying rounds or practice rounds for tournaments or,

540
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: whatever and you, know everybody hits and everybody's t. Shot

541
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: you're all out there within you, know five yards of each, other,

542
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: Right but then you get up to a part Five,

543
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: okay you know back in the day five seventy, five

544
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: five eighty, Five well that's all that's all long part five, right.

545
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: Likely unreachable in the early. Nineties, yeah to get there.

546
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 2: And all of a, sudden he's twenty yards in front of.

547
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: Everybody so where did that come? From and then we

548
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: were playing at a tournament In Las, vegas and he

549
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: WAS i was playing in the group right in front of.

550
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Him and the last hole was a par five and

551
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: there's a huge bunker on the left hand, side and

552
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: it's one of those that's got a really steep face

553
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: and it's a part. Five so it goes down across

554
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: a little, pond and then there's the green and he

555
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: hits you, KNOW i finish and we're you, know when you're,

556
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: done you sit behind the green and you wait for

557
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: everybody to come. In so we're sitting behind the green

558
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: and he's back up there and you can see him

559
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: walking and then he disappears because he goes into the.

560
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Bunker, yeah.

561
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: And then you see his head pop up to, look

562
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: and then he goes back. Down then you see his head

563
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: pop up to look. Again AND i mean you're sitting

564
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: there thinking he's laying, out and then all of a,

565
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: sudden you hear the, contact and then you hear you

566
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: see a little, sand and then where is? It where is?

567
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: It where is? It and then all of a, sudden

568
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 2: like a like a meteor hit the. Earth it just

569
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: s ball lands on the green about twenty feet from the.

570
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: Hole he hit a driver out of that bunker and

571
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: it Was we actually went back up there later to look,

572
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: like how the hell did he do? That?

573
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: First how did he think about? It second did he

574
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: pull it?

575
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: Off, yeah but back then he was so much better

576
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: than everybody else at that at that, stage and it's you,

577
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: know it's no surprise he's going to be in The

578
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: Golf hall Of.

579
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: Fame, WELL i, mean, like you, know you just think

580
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: about like we're talking about twenty twenty five and every

581
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: available player that exists in. Golf you can go on

582
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: social media and see their swings and see what they're

583
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: able to. Do and to think back to the early,

584
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: nineties you, know there wasn't video of these. PLAYERS i

585
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 4: mean you saw it. Firsthand you got to see it

586
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: day in and day out of a player that became

587
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 4: arguably the second best player of a generation AND i

588
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 4: think probably a top ten top fifteen player of all.

589
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: TIME i mean it must have been why iiled day

590
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: in and day out to just see the amazing short

591
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: game and the ability with the hands and shots like,

592
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: That like you're talking about where everybody else in the

593
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 4: world's hitting eight iron out and they just try to

594
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: hit a wedge on the.

595
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: Green he's so much better everybody. Else and then the

596
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 2: kids asked, me the college kids, now they asked, me,

597
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: like who you, know who's the best you've? Seen filled

598
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: by Always. Phil, yeah AND i told him just for. Numbers, Wise,

599
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: okay this guy won eighteen college, tournaments including THREE ncaa. Championships,

600
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: yeah that's pretty, good, RIGHT.

601
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: I, mean you, know AND i mean obviously wins THE

602
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: Us amateur and wins THE Pj tour. Event is an

603
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: AMATEUR i mean, yes AND i mean.

604
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: It's it's studley. Stuff it's, Crazy, scott the story is.

605
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: Incredible we appreciate you kind of sharing some insight into

606
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: this world THAT i don't think a lot of even

607
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: like diehard golf fans totally. Understand so we really appreciate the.

608
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: TIME i appreciate all the hard work you do a.

609
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Thing oh you bet.

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00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: You Scott's, soullivan. Everybody this is The ping Proven grounds

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Speaker 4: podcast