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Speaker 1: Alson media.

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Speaker 2: Order in the court order in the court Justice Robert

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Speaker 2: Evans presigning, I see we have a fine jury here

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Speaker 2: to take questions from the audience of our of our

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Speaker 2: daily news show, which is also my court room. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: everybody get it because I'm a judge now, really, because

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Speaker 2: that's how the legal system works.

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Speaker 3: All those rubers are partly have come true.

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Speaker 2: Huh No, municipal Judge Garrison.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, okay, let's get You're right, You're right, You're

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Speaker 3: right here.

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Speaker 2: I will now for the rest of my life be

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Speaker 2: able to say when people ask questions well as a

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Speaker 2: man of the law, which I'm very much looking forward to.

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Speaker 4: No able to say, Robert quite likely to say.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, that's all I got.

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Speaker 5: All right, this is that you could happen here Q

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Speaker 5: and a episode we've got. What are we calling you now,

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Speaker 5: Robert Evans? What's your title?

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Speaker 2: The Honorable Robert Evans? And I actually dished. The judge

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Speaker 2: who made me a judge sent me a gabble, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't grab it for this one, so I just

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Speaker 2: used I have a the the barrel and lower receiver

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Speaker 2: from an antique sought off shotgun that belonged to a

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Speaker 2: bootlegger and I just sort of slammed that into my table.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure our editor will love that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, right, but before we broadcast, so you have

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Speaker 6: a sort of shotgun.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not functional. It's been destroyed.

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Speaker 4: I see, I see good. Didn't want to little rebe

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Speaker 4: reach moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got Mio Wong, Garrison, Davis, James Stout and

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Speaker 5: the dishonorable Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: And Sophy Lichterman.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, it mean yeah.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna do the We're gonna do some questions. We

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Speaker 5: posted it on our Blue Sky for not following us

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Speaker 5: on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 3: We are on there Blue Ski.

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Speaker 4: One does not post on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 5: So if you want skeets, I really hope that's not true,

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Speaker 5: because that's relliant, embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they really tried to get that off the ground.

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Speaker 2: I don't see anyone actually using skeet.

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Speaker 4: I saw someone using it in French. Was a real

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Speaker 4: moment A Garrison.

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Speaker 3: Instead of saying send a tweet, now, I just say

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Speaker 3: send skeat in conversation. Everyone loves it.

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Speaker 4: M de reskeat Is that a thing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I guess you do. I guess you do.

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Speaker 5: M hm, and we're moving on. I'm just gonna throw

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Speaker 5: out some of the questions we received on online. I'm

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Speaker 5: not even gonna say the name of the app again

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Speaker 5: because I'm afraid being labeled as an old Garrison's embarrassed

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Speaker 5: by me. I can tell I didn't say that, but

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Speaker 5: you thought it.

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Speaker 1: But you thought it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think that you did.

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Speaker 5: Any advice for someone with a desire to do some

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Speaker 5: hobby or freelance journalism in the coming few years, I

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Speaker 5: want to actively fight for equality. Also, thank you for

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Speaker 5: your questions.

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Speaker 1: Everyone.

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Speaker 2: HM, I don't thank you for your questions. I'm actively

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Speaker 2: angry at you for your question.

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Speaker 1: That's why you're the dishonorable.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, start rich if you want to be a freelance journalist,

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Speaker 6: because you'll progressively become poorer.

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Speaker 2: I have funded my journal I get I love whatever

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Speaker 2: people ask me questions like how did you convince Krack

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Speaker 2: to send you to Iraq? I didn't. I bought plane tickets.

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Speaker 2: Like being an entertainer has always been what's funded my journalist.

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Speaker 3: I guess my advice would be get really autistic.

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Speaker 4: About something oh problematic, just like one.

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Speaker 3: Thing, this one thing, I get like really into it

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Speaker 3: to the point where it kind of takes over your life.

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Speaker 3: Your your personal life starts fading away, it kind of

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Speaker 3: blends into your whole state of existence. And only then

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Speaker 3: will you actually get good at that that thing. Yep,

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Speaker 3: that's my advice. And then you just take one thing

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Speaker 3: at a time and every few years you kind of

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Speaker 3: change the scope of the thing if you're getting really

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Speaker 3: autistic about But that's kind of how I've rolled, and

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Speaker 3: it's been it's been Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just finished thirty six hours of digging into

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Speaker 2: the life of a school shooter. And I also built

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Speaker 2: the back of my career spending hours and hours digging

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Speaker 2: through the online lives of mass shooters. And you don't

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Speaker 2: have to do that, but you do have to do

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Speaker 2: that thing, which is, yeah, exactly what Garrison said. You

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Speaker 2: have to pick a very narrow thing and make it

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Speaker 2: a thing that you think is important. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 2: people don't other people don't understand how important it is.

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Speaker 2: And if you make yourself there's a fella. His blog

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Speaker 2: is called We Hunted the Mammoth. Dave Foutrell, who's been

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Speaker 2: covering what we call the manosphere for like more than

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Speaker 2: a decade before anybody else in journalism was taking it seriously. Yep,

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Speaker 2: you got to do that kind of thing. If you

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Speaker 2: and that can allow you when that the thing that

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Speaker 2: have something meaningful to say about it can provide you

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Speaker 2: eventually with the opportunity to cover other things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good advice.

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Speaker 6: I would say if you want to get started freelancing,

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Speaker 6: it's a good idea to join that BW Freelance Journalist Union.

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Speaker 6: You can learn a lot from people who are freelancing there.

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Speaker 6: You can learn who not to pitch, which editors are

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Speaker 6: toxic as fuck, which is a surprisingly large amount. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you can learn which email to send your pitches to

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Speaker 6: and how to pitch if you're not familiar with how

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Speaker 6: to pitch. I also teach sometimes journalism workshops at a

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Speaker 6: community college, So if you have a community college.

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Speaker 4: Near you, you.

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Speaker 6: Might be able to get some either free or very

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Speaker 6: cheap sort of advice and the real like nuts and

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Speaker 6: bolts of journalism, like sending pitches and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 5: What is the consensus on what the next Trump administration

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Speaker 5: will do on the first day or first week, all

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Speaker 5: of us just look like we're in pains.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not for seeing good things. There'll be a

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Speaker 3: lot of executive orders that are you know, probably bad,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that he's going to try to do

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Speaker 2: in terms of going after immigrants. Yeah, he's going to

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Speaker 2: do as much of what he's promised to do as

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Speaker 2: he possibly can't. Now, that doesn't mean he's going to

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Speaker 2: actually deport millions of people. There are like some just

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Speaker 2: a very good chance things will get bogged down and whatnot,

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Speaker 2: but like he will try. Yeah, that's that's my take.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think the other thing that's gonna

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Speaker 7: on tariffs very very fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you're planning to buy a computer, go ahead

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Speaker 2: and grab that fucker now if you can.

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Speaker 3: If you're getting anything from overseas, you should get it

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Speaker 3: in the few weeks that you still can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has a battery made here.

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Speaker 5: I had my annual physical today because otherwise our insurance

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Speaker 5: screws us over. And my doctor was like, you should

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Speaker 5: try to get as many prescriptions filled before the end

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Speaker 4: There you go, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know that's not terrible advice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think in terms of executive orders, he will try

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Speaker 6: There are things he can do by executive order with

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Speaker 6: ICE and CBP in terms of how they operate that

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Speaker 6: he will try and do. It's not impossible that they

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Speaker 6: will try and again immediately mobilize public health law against

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Speaker 6: migrants like he did in twenty twenty. Right, Yeah, those

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Speaker 6: things could all be done without congressional support. We made

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Speaker 6: a whole on us about this, but Steven Miller suggested

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Speaker 6: that they might do some of those things.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, not impossible. Probably won't be a great day.

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Speaker 5: Somebody's getting fired the first week, probably first day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've seen the fact that the FBI

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Speaker 5: Okay, several of you have asked about the Android ad

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Speaker 5: free version subscription channel, and I want you all to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen it, Sophie has. It's been a nightmare,

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing that sucks for no reason, no reason,

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Speaker 2: not that there's no reason to launch the app, there's

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Speaker 2: there's a few things that get brought up a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's like, why haven't they done this yet? Why haven't

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Speaker 2: they've done this yet? We're talking like technical things or

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Speaker 2: and the answer is always some infuriating bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Based on some bureaucracy bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Some be rocks, some legal shit where you're like, you

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Speaker 2: don't actually realize it's illegal to do this if you

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Speaker 2: afford to provide them. But there's a lot of annoying

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Speaker 5: How do you each motivate yourself to right or do

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Speaker 3: So Garrison, oh, well, I mean paying rents a great motivator.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a quite compelling motivator, and sometimes it has

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Speaker 4: Just do it. That's right, That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. Very large.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a great speech the comic series

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I really like the process of writing.

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Speaker 6: So many people trusted me with their stories, especially this year,

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Speaker 4: As I can.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and like as Mia said, it has materially changed

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it's two part answer. The first part

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Speaker 1: He's a lot of fucking.

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Speaker 5: People, and I give a shit about each and every

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Speaker 5: crumbly world. Robert did you have anything to add. You

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Speaker 2: Did I already not give an answer?

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Speaker 1: You gave an answer, that's why, but you were starting

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do it for the fame. Baby.

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Speaker 5: Next, What episode or episodes were your favorite this year

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Speaker 5: to make or otherwise? Yeah, my favorite this year. We're

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Speaker 2: A good time, like legitimately.

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Speaker 1: Great time, pulling the worst people in the world.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I also really just like Robert's Don't Panic

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Speaker 7: The one that was most emotionally impactful for me was

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Speaker 4: I'm proud of doing the Darien once.

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Speaker 1: Jesus mother.

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Speaker 4: Set him up. It's my own fault.

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Speaker 3: They've all been taken away by these unidentified drove That.

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Speaker 3: We have no way of known besides the mass hysteria

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Speaker 1: It's pretty great.

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Speaker 5: The amount of places that Garrison and I snuck into

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Speaker 3: It was really dangerous too, because I was having to

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Speaker 5: Any thoughts on the proposed twenty twenty eight general strike,

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Speaker 5: how are people feeling about that?

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Speaker 7: don't have a modern history of doing that in the US,

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Speaker 7: and even some of the success ones in the last

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Speaker 7: decade that people have pulled off haven't been that effective.

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Speaker 7: But on the other hand, as something that we you know,

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Speaker 7: a concrete thing that we have to organize, towards that

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Speaker 7: has a bunch of like pretty large unions behind it already.

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Speaker 7: I did an episode about that a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, a couple months ago. I don't remember

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Speaker 7: when I did this episode. I'm sorry, I can't remember

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Speaker 7: anything we've ever done. But I think, I think, I

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Speaker 7: think it's a good opportunity to connect a whole bunch

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Speaker 7: of different kinds of organizing together, both in terms of

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Speaker 7: sort of labor and in terms of the support work

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Speaker 7: you need for that. So, yeah, cautiously optimistic.

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Speaker 1: Anyone else have anything they want to add.

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Speaker 3: The time to start figuring out those logistics, like is now,

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Speaker 3: it's not it's not waiting till twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Garrison. I think that the fact that

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Speaker 2: there are serious people who represent serious unions talking about

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Speaker 2: it is part of way. It's one of the things

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Speaker 2: that does give me a degree of hope. We're going

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Speaker 2: to have to start working now towards it. It's not

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Speaker 2: going to be simple in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 2: If they see it coming, they are going to start

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Speaker 2: trying to criminalize things preemptively. If it is something that

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Speaker 2: even looks like a real possibility, they're going to come

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Speaker 2: after it with everything they've got. And it's one of

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Speaker 2: those things where maybe if the midterms go well for Democrats,

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Speaker 2: maybe Democrats stop that, But it's just as plausible and

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Speaker 2: probably more plausible that Democrats line up with Republicans to

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Speaker 2: attempt to criminalize something like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's strained to be seeing something like this will

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Speaker 6: going to I so far off, Like it's like, yes,

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Speaker 6: it's not something where any of us are familiar with, which.

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Speaker 2: It has to be to be clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it.

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Speaker 4: Has to be barring, like an actual coup.

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Speaker 6: That's the only way you get a general strike, right, Like,

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Speaker 6: either something so earth shattering that everyone so everyone's ready

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Speaker 6: to risk it because they're already in danger, or you

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Speaker 6: take the time and you plan that you do it properly.

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Speaker 6: But it's just not something we're familiar with it. I

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Speaker 6: love the general strike. I'm always going to support a

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Speaker 6: general strike. I'm excited to see a general strike. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: we have to put in the work now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The only responsible way to characterize the organized Left

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Speaker 2: in the United States is a complete and utter failure

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Speaker 2: like it is. It has been a calamity for the

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Speaker 2: causes that it seeks to represent and a lot of

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Speaker 2: that is because of like fucking bullshit online clicktivism. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're all going to do a general strike. Everybody get

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Speaker 2: ready next week, We're going to do it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Shit like that is is it's just so deeply unseerious.

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Speaker 2: And if we're going to take the momentu and the

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Speaker 2: energy that exists in the number of people who are

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Speaker 2: angry and who you know, and that number of people

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Speaker 2: will be increasing as the consequences of conservative policies hit

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Speaker 2: home by twenty twenty eight, like it has to be

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Speaker 2: something taken deadly seriously by very serious people who are

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Speaker 2: thinking through the consequences and what's necessary in order to

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Speaker 2: make this feasible, you know.

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Speaker 5: And lastly, do each of you have you know, a

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Speaker 5: movie or a book or something you would like to recommend.

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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty five, when I finished my books, you

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Speaker 6: should buy it, yes, but read General Strike. I've been

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Speaker 6: reading a book called Pretent Tape, which is in English,

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Speaker 6: but it's about how San Francisco doc workers block to

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Speaker 6: a shipment of weapons to El Salvador and it just

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Speaker 6: seems a very relevant book. And they did it to

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Speaker 6: Pinochet as well. It's easy to read and like. It

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Speaker 6: just reminded me how important labor organizing is going to

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Speaker 6: be and then four years and how powerful it could

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Speaker 6: be too. So I'll give that one a little plug.

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Speaker 2: Excellent.

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Speaker 6: There's a film called The End Will Be Spectacular which

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Speaker 6: is about the Kurdish use movement in Northern Kurdistan in Turkey.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good film.

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Speaker 6: I think of understand to help you understand the Kurdish

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Speaker 6: freedom movement, and it's worth a watch. It's not like

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Speaker 6: a necessarily a happy, feel good film, but I think

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Speaker 6: it's worth a watch. Is fifty if you've recently become

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Speaker 6: interested in that because what you've heard on the podcast.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I have a couple. So I'm trans fiction

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Speaker 7: pilled right now. Given you've given you fiction for trans authors.

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Speaker 2: Would you say you're transfixed? Wow?

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Speaker 3: I walked.

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Speaker 7: I walked right into that one, like drove directly into it,

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Speaker 7: like JFK's head into that bullet.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wow.

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Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time with each other.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The first one I wanted to talk about is The

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Speaker 7: gun Runner and Her Hound by Maria Ying, which is

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Speaker 7: the pen name of a couple of authors. Okay, so

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Speaker 7: this is a This is an absolutely unhinged lesbian book

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Speaker 7: about a lesbian crime lord and her new bodyguard who

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Speaker 7: is also a lesbian, and it rules. Uh, there's a

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Speaker 7: whole sort of like post apocalypse US thing going on,

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Speaker 7: but they're still in like civilized Hong Kong. It's awesome,

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Speaker 7: it's great. It's you need war on hinge lesbians in

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Speaker 7: your life, go read this. The the other one is

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Speaker 7: one of the boys. This is forthcoming is we want

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Speaker 7: to release May thirteen, twenty twenty five by Victoria Zeller,

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Speaker 7: and it's about a trans girl who's like the kicker

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Speaker 7: on her football team and she has to like leave

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Speaker 7: the team because she transitions, but then the team needs

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Speaker 7: her back they don't have a kicker. And it's it's fun,

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Speaker 7: it's it's a good time. So you should you should

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Speaker 7: get that when it comes out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm actually right now in the middle of

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Speaker 2: a book that I found myself surprised by how much

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Speaker 2: I've liked. It's called When Paris Went Dark and it

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Speaker 2: is a history of the occupation of Paris under the

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Speaker 2: Nazis That is a really fascinating social history by Ronald

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Speaker 2: rose Bottom that I found very like emotionally affecting, especially

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Speaker 2: in light of you know, some things going on, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: just kind of a fascinating look at the psychology of

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Speaker 2: a people of like a of an entire people kind

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Speaker 2: of grappling with what's about to happen to them in

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Speaker 2: the wake of the failure of the French army and

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Speaker 2: then what happens next. And then I would also recommend

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Speaker 2: Setting the Desert on Fire by James Barr, which is

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Speaker 2: one of the books about te Lawrence that I cited

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Speaker 2: in the t Lawrence episodes, if you are at all

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Speaker 2: interested in the realities of needing to fight an insurgent war.

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Speaker 3: Here, I guess just two recent things I've enjoyed. Finally

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Speaker 3: finished The Steppenwolf by Hermann Hess. Yes, I enjoyed that deeply.

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Speaker 3: It kind of it kind of picked my picked my

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Speaker 3: twin peaks the Return Brain. So that was that was pleasant.

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Speaker 3: And for a more recent release, Luca Gudaghino's a new

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Speaker 3: movie Queer, adapting the short story by William S.

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Speaker 2: Burrows.

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Speaker 3: I found this movie to be utterly fascinating and transfixing,

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Speaker 3: to use the term from me Robert. I don't have

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Speaker 3: much else to say about it because I would rather

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Speaker 3: people just watch it and take away what they want

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Speaker 3: to themselves. But it got me thinking a lot about

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Speaker 3: the lack of meaning inherent to identity and why I

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Speaker 3: hate the term queer bodies.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, good.

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Speaker 5: Movie, awesome. I just have one movie to recommend it.

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Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite movies of all time, the

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Speaker 5: original nineteen seventy three seventy two, so seventy three seventy three,

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Speaker 5: The wicker Man, not the fucking Nicholas Cage version, the

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Speaker 5: original version. And if you have a local theater that

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Speaker 5: plays old movies a lot of times, they'll play it

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Speaker 5: in theaters. I highly recommend that experience. It's really fun,

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Speaker 5: especially at the end. I see it in theaters or

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Speaker 5: watch it at least once or twice a year, and

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Speaker 5: vibes are good. Yeah that's it for a Q and

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