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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. Today could happen here a podcast but
Speaker 2: the world falling apart and was mostly just about that
Speaker 2: at the minute, but we do sometimes talk about how
Speaker 2: to put it back together as well. Joining me today
Speaker 2: is Garrison Davis.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: Garrison, Hello, Hi, and we're on the falling apart theme.
Speaker 2: Think so we've been on that one quite a lot
Speaker 2: last few weeks, but today we are specifically talking about
Speaker 2: the what I'm going to call the rendition of non
Speaker 2: US nationals by the Trump administration over the last week.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm calling it, I guess rendition and not
Speaker 2: deportation is because these people aren't being sent back to
Speaker 2: the countries they're from. They are being sent to El Salvador. Specifically,
Speaker 2: they're being sent to a place called Second So the
Speaker 2: Trump administration has attempted to send three hundred people who
Speaker 2: it accuses of being members of a foreign terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to how they get there under
Speaker 2: the Alien Enemies Act, to a prison in El Salvador
Speaker 2: where they will be detained for a year at the
Speaker 2: expense of the United States. We're going to break down
Speaker 2: exactly how we got there over the course of this episode.
Speaker 2: So the Trump administration has accused these people of being
Speaker 2: members of two different gangs. The majority of them, there's
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty eight people are accused of being
Speaker 2: members of Trend de Ragua. Trind de Ragua is a
Speaker 2: Venezuelan gang that the Trump administration recently declared a foreign
Speaker 2: terrorist organization. Another twenty three it's accusing of being members
Speaker 2: of MS thirteen, which is a Salvadorrean gang. The Trump
Speaker 2: administration use something called the Alien Enemies Act to remove
Speaker 2: these people. The Alien Enemies Act, we actually spoke about
Speaker 2: it in November of last year when we were looking
Speaker 2: at provisions of US law that the Trump administration could
Speaker 2: use for its mass deportation gender. This is one we
Speaker 2: spoke about. The Trump administration in the past has been
Speaker 2: quite good at finding obscure provisions of the United States
Speaker 2: law to exclude migrants. You can hear my whole series
Speaker 2: about Title forty two on that. That's kind of the
Speaker 2: paramount example. Right. The Only Enemies Act is a two
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six year old piece of legislation. The
Speaker 2: last time it was used was to inter Japanese people
Speaker 2: during the Second World War. Right, So that's a pretty
Speaker 2: shameful part of the United States history, and it's great
Speaker 2: that we're going back there. So who are the enemies
Speaker 2: in this case?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: It's generally, like I should probably point out the Alien
Speaker 2: Enemies Act is intended for like the people you were
Speaker 2: at war with. Right, So if the United States is
Speaker 2: at war with let's say Canada, and there are Canadian
Speaker 2: citizens in the United States, so people who have dual
Speaker 2: citizenship with Canada, and those people that are individuals within
Speaker 2: that group are suspected to be spies or suspected to
Speaker 2: be like serving the interest in Canada not the United States,
Speaker 2: that they could be excluded or detained under the Alien
Speaker 2: Enemies Act or sent out of the country, as it's
Speaker 2: the case here, and as we saw in this instance,
Speaker 2: there is very little recourse to appeal.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: This isn't like a deportation hearing or an asylum hearing
Speaker 2: where you have a lawyer representing you, where you have
Speaker 2: even a hearing. Right, these people were raudied up and
Speaker 2: booted out the country in very short order.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like with or without due process, Like we
Speaker 3: should not be black bagging people and sending them to
Speaker 3: the like Al Salvador labor prison, Right, Like this is
Speaker 3: like just doing this at all, even with due process
Speaker 3: would already be horrifying. Yeah, the fact that they're just
Speaker 3: doing it like without even any like court process entirely
Speaker 3: and like trying to like bypass that just adds like
Speaker 3: another level to an already like horrifying and you know,
Speaker 3: evil and shameful action.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrible. I want it defines some of the
Speaker 2: categories here. I want to start with Trendy Aragua Spanish
Speaker 2: understanders will will notice the word trend meaning train. That's
Speaker 2: because they came out of construction unions who were building
Speaker 2: trains as part of a Venezuelan infrastructure project in Aragua,
Speaker 2: which is part of Venezuela. There are other Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 2: Trend Deliano is the other one that springs to mind,
Speaker 2: which was come from the same place and thus have
Speaker 2: similar names, but just people should understand that they're different organizations.
Speaker 2: They also have a strong presence of Venezuelan prisons. They
Speaker 2: have in the past been accused of doing violence on
Speaker 2: behalf of the Venezuelan state. By in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: my daughter blame them for the protests after his election.
Speaker 2: People remember that that election was widely seen as fraudulent,
Speaker 2: and I covered that in my series on the Dariant
Speaker 2: Gap if people want to learn more about Venezuelan politics
Speaker 2: of migration into the United States. In twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: Biden named Trend de Aragua a transnational criminal organization and
Speaker 2: then Trump named them a foreign terrorist organization. He labeled
Speaker 2: to cartels as ftos as well. At the time, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation about why was it to allow
Speaker 2: for like drone strikes or co operations. I think we're
Speaker 2: now seeing that this was part of this large ploy
Speaker 2: of deportation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like quote unquote terrorists have even less quote
Speaker 3: unquote rights than quote unquote criminals. Yes, right, Like it's
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, like the like the triangle of like
Speaker 3: which which deplorable class has the least about of rights?
Speaker 3: Terrorists are always like the ones with the least.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we've been doing that for twenty odd years
Speaker 2: now with Quantanamo Bay and renditions to Egypt and Syria
Speaker 2: and other places. In this case, people are being sent
Speaker 2: to Sikot, which is this prison in El Salvador. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Can you spell that, yeah, cecot uh Centro that cult? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Seacott I guess. It stands for terrorism confinement, Terrorism detention center.
Speaker 2: It is largely referred to as a super prison. Right
Speaker 2: it was built in our Bibles. Part of his iron
Speaker 2: Fist would be the way you translate. It's iron fist
Speaker 2: policy against gangs and against crime, and it has been
Speaker 2: widely condemned for human rights abuses. People are crammed into
Speaker 2: cells with more than one hundred people, but there are
Speaker 2: fewer bunks than there are prisoners, right, so they can't
Speaker 2: even all lie down at the same time. The bunks
Speaker 2: don't have bedding, they're just flat like metal sheets. They're
Speaker 2: four high, so you have to climb over other people
Speaker 2: to sleep. For more than one hundred prisoners, there are
Speaker 2: two open toilets. That's the only access to a bathroom
Speaker 2: that you have. They might be allowed out for half
Speaker 2: an hour each day. They're not allowed to communicate with
Speaker 2: their families or the outside world. They're forced to shave
Speaker 2: their heads and they all wear white. The lights are
Speaker 2: left on all day. As I said that, they're provided
Speaker 2: with no bedding, They contact with the outside world, very
Speaker 2: little access to anything other than standing in that cell.
Speaker 2: There's two bibles in each set. It's the only sort
Speaker 2: of entertainment they're allowed. It just sounds like a torture camp, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is completely inhumane, right, it's horrific, and for a
Speaker 2: couple of years now, but Kelly has been doing like
Speaker 2: these media tours of the of p sicot, like using
Speaker 2: it to generate content. It's very much designed to generate
Speaker 2: this image of like, this is what will happen to
Speaker 2: quote unquote, what will happened to you if you're a
Speaker 2: quote unquote in a gang. It's sort of been used
Speaker 2: to promote his image of someone who's taking an iron
Speaker 2: fist to gangs. And as we saw when these people
Speaker 2: were sent to our salbad Or, this tendency to use
Speaker 2: I don't know what you would call it incarceration as
Speaker 2: a way of making content. It was very much the
Speaker 2: case here, right, Yeah, I'm going to break for ads.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we will be consuming content that
Speaker 2: is people being stripped of their human rights. And we
Speaker 2: are back, Garrison. Do you want to go ahead and
Speaker 2: play this? And so the the tweet in question, the
Speaker 2: zet in question, it's by Naibuke, the president of Bel Salvador. Right,
Speaker 2: should I read it out? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think you should think it's worth noting that like
Speaker 3: this style of propaganda close to the mirrors a lot
Speaker 3: of what like DHS and the Trump administration is doing
Speaker 3: on their official accounts, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: the like memified content creation format and like aesthetics being
Speaker 3: used to just display like torture and deportations and human
Speaker 3: arts abuses is very common among government accounts in the
Speaker 3: States right now. It's pretty pretty horrifying to look at.
Speaker 3: And this this kind of follows the suit and is
Speaker 3: possibly even more bleak. Yeah, but yeah, we should read
Speaker 3: read this whole, this whole message and then and then
Speaker 3: we'll pribace skip around on the video and talk about
Speaker 3: what we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll just read it obviously in turnstand I'm
Speaker 2: quoting it hit artly from him. Today, the first two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty eight members of the Venezuelan criminal Organizeation
Speaker 2: trend ragois arrived in our country. They were immediately transferred
Speaker 2: to SIKORD, the Terrorism Confinement Center for a period of
Speaker 2: one year, parentheses renewable. The United States will pay a
Speaker 2: very low fee for them, but a high one for
Speaker 2: US over time. These actions, combined with a production already
Speaker 2: being generated by more than forty thousand inmates engaged in
Speaker 2: various workshops and labour under the Zero Idleness Program will
Speaker 2: help make our prison system self sustainable. As of today,
Speaker 2: it costs two hundred million per year. On this occasion,
Speaker 2: the US has sent us twenty three MS thirteen members
Speaker 2: wanted by Salvatory Injustice, including two ring leaders. One of
Speaker 2: them is a member of the criminal organization's highest structure.
Speaker 2: This will help us finalize intelligence gathering and go after
Speaker 2: the last remnants of MS thirty, including its former and
Speaker 2: new members, money weapons, drugs, hideouts, collaborators, and sponsors. As
Speaker 2: always who continue advancing in a fight against organized crime,
Speaker 2: but this time we're also helping our allies, making our
Speaker 2: prison system self sustain and obtaining vital intelligence to make
Speaker 2: a country an even safer place. All in a single action.
Speaker 2: They God blessed Sarbador, and they God blessed the United States.
Speaker 2: I should probably just add that the US sent three
Speaker 2: million dollars to pay for these six million dollars. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to pay for this three hundred prisoners that intended
Speaker 2: to send.
Speaker 3: The Zero Idleness program is like one of the most
Speaker 3: sinister things I've like read recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could put out of a Georgio
Speaker 2: well or like old Huxley or something right, and it
Speaker 2: wouldn't sound out a place.
Speaker 3: It's even even like you know, it's almost cliche now
Speaker 3: to point like German work camps, but like.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I mean come on, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 2: we were doing it again.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll probably play a clip of the music
Speaker 3: and then I'm going to skip around on the video.
Speaker 3: You're can just talk about what we're seeing here. It's
Speaker 3: first we have a shot of an airport with three
Speaker 3: different planes and people getting rounded up and pushed on
Speaker 3: in single file. It has like this like action movie
Speaker 3: type music lines of soldiers.
Speaker 2: So as as the.
Speaker 3: People getting loaded on the plane, they're getting like forced
Speaker 3: forced down. There's like people with like guns, police military
Speaker 3: like manhandling people pushing their heads down, physically removing clothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're showing their tattoos there, right, that's what they're
Speaker 2: pulling up his shirt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like even the way that they just like
Speaker 3: walk around with these people like like like forcing their
Speaker 3: heads almost like their concrete as they make them shuffle
Speaker 3: along the ground, just like basic dehumanization shows them getting
Speaker 3: transported onto buses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they said, they're arriving at set good now
Speaker 2: sort of bright white, very sterile facility. Now they're being
Speaker 2: forced into their knees, yeah, and shaved, getting.
Speaker 3: Their beards shaved, heads shaved, getting shackled, all while being
Speaker 3: forced onto their knees on the ground.
Speaker 2: Then the cops doing this are all wearing I guess balaclavas.
Speaker 2: Describe them as face masks and hats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of all of the military police officials are
Speaker 3: trying to hide their identity as they you know, publicly
Speaker 3: display the actions that they're doing, as when they're you know,
Speaker 3: shaving and holding people's heads up for the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it it's it's a lot of that kind of
Speaker 3: stuff you see. You see them like pushing pushing people
Speaker 3: all in matching white clothes in single file into cells.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the cell so we spoke about before.
Speaker 2: We'll include this link in the in the sources.
Speaker 3: It's basically just three minutes of torture porn. Like that's like,
Speaker 3: that's what that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, it's it's it's pretty bleak, honestly.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what else to say about it
Speaker 3: besides like it's it's just it's just like channeling pure evil,
Speaker 3: Like I like it's it's there's nothing else to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that. I don't know how anyone will
Speaker 2: watch that and think good. So we should talk about
Speaker 2: how they're identifying these people, and we should talk about
Speaker 2: the process by which they were sent there. ICE policy
Speaker 2: says a person could be deemed a gang member if
Speaker 2: they office the notes to quote gang membership identification criteria.
Speaker 2: One of the criteria that they seem to be using
Speaker 2: in this instance is their tattoos. So there are some
Speaker 2: gangs that have a process of tattooing to enter the gang,
Speaker 2: right MS thirteen Mara Salva structure, it's what the MS
Speaker 2: stands for being one of them. These like Mara Central
Speaker 2: American gangs have tended to use that in the past.
Speaker 2: This isn't really something that happens with Trend de Raguas
Speaker 2: as far as I'm aware of. Some people they've pointed
Speaker 2: to tattoos of trains in a document the gear found
Speaker 2: from the Texas Department of Public Safety, pointing to stars
Speaker 2: as evidence that people were part of Trend de Ragua.
Speaker 2: So I remember where Trend Dragua does not have a
Speaker 2: policy of tattooing people specifically, because this is a thing
Speaker 2: that has been used by law enforcement to identify members, right, like,
Speaker 2: it would be silly to keep doing that once once
Speaker 2: it's become so clear that the state uses that. So
Speaker 2: the one sort of case that I've seen legal documents
Speaker 2: on of these people, the one name we have one
Speaker 2: of these people who's been sent is a man named
Speaker 2: Hersirees Barrios. He was a footballer professional football in Venezuela
Speaker 2: who protested against my daughter regime, was tortured and detained
Speaker 2: as a result. I've spoken to probably I would imagine
Speaker 2: thousands of Venezuela and migrants. Right again, I would like
Speaker 2: you to listen to my series on Italian Gap if
Speaker 2: you haven't, I put a lot into it. All of
Speaker 2: these people have stories of watching people be shot, the
Speaker 2: brutal repression of protest, state violence, economic collapse, persecution for
Speaker 2: supporting the opposition in the country, right and this is
Speaker 2: one of those stories. The criteria that they used to
Speaker 2: identify him were a tattoo which had a football with
Speaker 2: a crown over the top and then the word Dios
Speaker 2: God in English underneath raise. Barrios's lawyer says that this
Speaker 2: is an homage the logo of Real Madrid, his favorite
Speaker 2: football club. They have claimed that it is evidence of
Speaker 2: gang membership. That's what the government is claiming here. The
Speaker 2: other criteria that they used is a picture of him
Speaker 2: like throwing up the horns. I guess which I believe
Speaker 2: it means I love you in sign language, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if I's think an urban legend or if that's
Speaker 2: the case, and there are obviously different sign languages, but
Speaker 2: this is a hand gesture. It's especially common in the
Speaker 2: Spanish speaking world. If you're not familiar, I have my
Speaker 2: little finger and my index finger extended and my two
Speaker 2: other fingers curled up as if I was making a fist.
Speaker 3: Almost like almost like a spider man hand symbol.
Speaker 2: I guess sure, I'm not familiar, but if you say
Speaker 2: so to visually reference for people, if you were making
Speaker 2: a little cow like a bulk with your hands, sure
Speaker 2: you would be doing your shadow puperty. It's very common,
Speaker 2: Like yes, it's a very typical hands It's a thing
Speaker 2: that people do when they when they're taking photos, like
Speaker 2: I've even seen it, like when you know, if there's
Speaker 2: if I'm working with a photographer and they're snapping photos
Speaker 2: of larger groups of people. People just do it like
Speaker 2: just like people did the peace sign. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a thing to do with your hands. Those are two
Speaker 2: criteria they use. So I should point out that none
Speaker 2: of these people have been accused or convicted of a crime,
Speaker 2: either in the United States or in El Salvador. Right.
Speaker 2: Even if they had been accused of a crime, even
Speaker 2: convicted of a crime, the United States is very unclear
Speaker 2: what legal basis they would be to then detain them
Speaker 2: in El Salvador. Right, Like, the United States doesn't have
Speaker 2: a system whereby we can send people to penal colonies.
Speaker 2: At the time of writing, this has been challenged in court. Right,
Speaker 2: A district court judge attempted to block the A district
Speaker 2: court judge did block these removals. Now, he actually blocked
Speaker 2: them before the people had arrived in El Salvador. However,
Speaker 2: despite this, the planes didn't turn around. And I'm just
Speaker 2: going to quote directly from what the judge said here.
Speaker 2: Quote any plane containing these folks and it's going to
Speaker 2: take off or is in the air, needs to be
Speaker 2: returned to the United States. Then it's another quote later.
Speaker 2: This is something you need to make sure he's complied
Speaker 2: with immediately. This didn't happen right. The planes went from
Speaker 2: the US torndor Salvador. They didn't stop even when the
Speaker 2: judge had given this order for them to stop. Now, normally,
Speaker 2: in illegal proceedings such as this, right that the government
Speaker 2: or one of the parties may not agree with the
Speaker 2: findings of the judge and they may choose to appeal
Speaker 2: it right, that's very normal. You still comply with the order,
Speaker 2: then appeal it right. You don't just keep doing whatever
Speaker 2: you feel like doing because you don't think the judge
Speaker 2: was right like that. That's in theory, not how this
Speaker 2: works now in practice. What means does a judge have
Speaker 2: to force the executive to listen to him? I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're not seeing any of them on display at the minute.
Speaker 2: The government has cited various reasons for ignoring the ruling.
Speaker 2: One of them press Securely Caroline leave It claimed that
Speaker 2: there was quote no lawful basis for the ruling. Go
Speaker 2: back to my previous statement about how you're supposed to
Speaker 2: appeal things. They also claimed in court that a verbal
Speaker 2: order is not the same as a written one. That's
Speaker 2: not something that's generally understood to be the case, and
Speaker 2: that because the flights were over international water, the order
Speaker 2: did not apply. This was then part of the foreign
Speaker 2: policy powers reserved to the president. That last one is
Speaker 2: particularly worrying. You effectively don't have your rights in international waters,
Speaker 2: role like humans don't have rights in international waters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just allowing the US government or the UST
Speaker 3: government trying to say that it's allowed to do whatever
Speaker 3: it wants if the action is being taken or not,
Speaker 3: like immediately on US soil or other foreigns oil.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're going to take another break and when
Speaker 2: we come back, we will talk about their response to
Speaker 2: this judge is ruling. All right, and we are back.
Speaker 2: So Trump's response to this Judge Boseberg's ruling was, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to read this is a true social post
Speaker 2: aka a truth quote. This radical left lunatic of a judge,
Speaker 2: a troublemaker and agitator who was sadly appointed by Barak Hussein.
Speaker 2: Obama was not elected president. M Dash. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to say when it's capitalized, just to understand that it's
Speaker 2: sporadically capitalized in the fashion that Trump likes to do.
Speaker 2: He didn't win the popular vote. Parentheses by a lot
Speaker 2: exclamation mark comma. He didn't win all seven swing states,
Speaker 2: he didn't win two seven hundred and fifty to five
Speaker 2: and twenty five counties. He didn't win anything. I won
Speaker 2: for many reasons in an overwhelming mandate, but fightling illegal
Speaker 2: immigration may have been the number one reason for this
Speaker 2: historic victory and just doing what the voters wanted me
Speaker 2: to do. This judge, like many of the crooked judges
Speaker 2: I'm forced to appear before, should be impeached. We don't
Speaker 2: want vicious, violent, and demented criminals, many of them deranged murderers,
Speaker 2: in our country. Make America great again, Tom Homan. The
Speaker 2: borders are also told Fox News quote, I don't care
Speaker 2: what the judges think.
Speaker 4: We made a promised to American people. The President Trump
Speaker 4: has made a promised to American people. We're going to
Speaker 4: make this country safe again. I wake up every morning
Speaker 4: loving my job because I work for the greatest president
Speaker 4: in the history of my life, and we're going to
Speaker 4: make this country safe again. I'm probably a part of
Speaker 4: this administration. We're not stopping. I don't care what the
Speaker 4: judges think. I don't care the left. Thanks were coming too.
Speaker 2: I just love saying you going through these protestss just
Speaker 2: crunching on the apple as they're liberal tiers, just just
Speaker 2: floout the hallway.
Speaker 3: Tom Holman, thanks so much for joining the program.
Speaker 2: You got to think this is open defiance of the courts, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't really know.
Speaker 3: It's what we've been talking about the past month on
Speaker 3: executive disorder. How we are just continually like ramping up
Speaker 3: this clash between the executive branch and the judicial branch.
Speaker 3: The congressional branch has already basically given up all of
Speaker 3: their power, and yeah, this is like an actual constitutional crisis.
Speaker 3: Very few people are taking this as seriously as what
Speaker 3: it should be, and even the courts seem a little
Speaker 3: bit tepid to like actually enforce their own power or
Speaker 3: like try to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Boseberg mentioned contempt once from what I
Speaker 2: can find on pacer, but like, obviously these judges I
Speaker 2: think are somewhat concerned that if they, you know, they
Speaker 2: find the government in contempt to court, then what happens
Speaker 2: because if you like, yeah, if you play your Trump
Speaker 2: card and no one cares, then you have no chives
Speaker 2: left to play.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of odd how the judges themselves are
Speaker 3: seemingly afraid of like pushing this constitutional crisis into a
Speaker 3: explicit territory right to be like what if we do
Speaker 3: the thing that then makes it clear to everyone else
Speaker 3: like we have no power, like like we actually have
Speaker 3: like like it is just authoritarianism via the executive branch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's almost like they're trying to like backpedal from this
Speaker 3: like very obvious accelerationist push of like no, we need
Speaker 3: to actually test test this.
Speaker 2: Out, yeah, because we need to know where we're at.
Speaker 3: Like, and they're scared too, because they're scared what if
Speaker 3: what if that testing causes like the Trump side to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that we're already winning in the in the
Speaker 2: absence of testing exactly.
Speaker 3: And the problem is that in absence of that, you
Speaker 3: were just giving up and letting Trump win. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 3: after Trump called to impeach the quote unquote radical leftist
Speaker 3: lunatic of a judge who tried to temporarily halt the
Speaker 3: the deportation of of these three hundred Venezuelan immigrants, Chief
Speaker 3: Justice John Roberts made a rare public statement rebuking calls
Speaker 3: to impeach judges for rulings that don't align with political agendas,
Speaker 3: and that's as far as they're going. Right now, they're
Speaker 3: making rare public statements saying you probably shouldn't call to
Speaker 3: impeach a judge. Meanwhile, Musk complaints on Twitter dot com
Speaker 3: about a quote unquote judicial coup, and it mistakenly calls
Speaker 3: for sixty senators to impeach a leftist to judges. Now,
Speaker 3: of course, the Senate does not do impeachments. The House does,
Speaker 3: and the Senate requires sixty seven votes to convict it
Speaker 3: and remove someone from office once impeached. So haha, we gotcha,
Speaker 3: We gotcha. Elon, you made a mistake, We win notes co. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's where we're at right now with this case. We're
Speaker 3: recording this.
Speaker 2: On Thursday, Bosebag gave them a twenty four our extension
Speaker 2: to provide details about the flights. The government has suggested
Speaker 2: that it might claim that these are state secrets, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that it has widely publicized these flights, including
Speaker 2: in the video that we discussed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're turning these into like TikTok is, Instagram real
Speaker 3: hype videos.
Speaker 2: They're not state secrets publicly.
Speaker 3: You're publicly displaying these to show that these people are
Speaker 3: not human. Yeah, like you're trying to scare everyone into
Speaker 3: saying we decide if you are a person or not,
Speaker 3: and if you're not a person, this is what we
Speaker 3: can do.
Speaker 2: This, we can do whatever we want to. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: should be noted as well, there is actually a process
Speaker 2: in US law through the Alien Terrorist Removal Court for
Speaker 2: the expedited removal of terrorist suspects without revealing classified information publicly.
Speaker 2: In fact, Boseberg was chief judge on that court for
Speaker 2: five years Jesus Christ. But we are not using that
Speaker 2: process where we using the Alien Enemies Act in today.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is in new exciting territory. In On Monday,
Speaker 2: so that's the day that you're hearing this, a panel
Speaker 2: of judges from the District Court in DC will hear
Speaker 2: an appeal by the United States government against Bosberg's attentive
Speaker 2: restraining order, the one that it obey anyway, so we
Speaker 2: will have more on this and we will keep updating
Speaker 2: you on this and SUF fight it to say that
Speaker 2: I guess again, this is a constitutional crisis, Like this
Speaker 2: is what it looks like. I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: if people expect like fireworks to go off or like
Speaker 2: some confetti to drop and it to be like the
Speaker 2: separation of powers is gone. But if the government can
Speaker 2: ignore the courts, and that is what is happening. So
Speaker 2: I guess we will see in the meantime. These people,
Speaker 2: many of whom one of them was a musician, one
Speaker 2: of them was a football player, right like. I've interviewed hundreds,
Speaker 2: if not thousands, of fens wild migrants, and most of them,
Speaker 2: it will shock you to hear, are just people who
Speaker 2: don't want to live with the boot of the state
Speaker 2: on the neck, people who want to make a decent
Speaker 2: living for their their families for what it's worth. None
Speaker 2: of the Venezuelan migrants I met in the Daddian Gap
Speaker 2: or in the United States or have come to United States.
Speaker 2: And my knowledge is for people who are like wondering
Speaker 2: how those stories kind of resolve, they resolve with people
Speaker 2: currently stuck in Mexico in pretty terrible conditions, either working
Speaker 2: for very little or unable to work at all, and
Speaker 2: trying to work out what to do. It's pretty bleak
Speaker 2: for them, it's pretty bleak for us to if this
Speaker 2: is the duration that things are going. I don't ever
Speaker 2: have much more to say.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know what else there is to say
Speaker 3: about them, just bypassing the courts to do a complete
Speaker 3: authoritarian overgrab so that they can send hundreds of people
Speaker 3: to essentially like a labor camp black site in a
Speaker 3: different country for an unknown period of time without any
Speaker 3: legal process.
Speaker 2: Like it's to be clear, not all of these people
Speaker 2: even entered the United States between ports of entry, which
Speaker 2: has been charged as a misdemeanor. Generally isn't charged. Some
Speaker 2: of them came with the CPP one, the fucking app
Speaker 2: the thing you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3: These are not proven criminals like these these these are
Speaker 3: just people some of who immigrated legally and have been
Speaker 3: detained by ICE. I don't now shipped off to a
Speaker 3: like torture labor prison in a different country where they're
Speaker 3: going to stay for at least a year in parenthesis
Speaker 3: renewable so like in death Like it's like.
Speaker 2: They can be forced to labor for the rest of
Speaker 2: their lives, a thing that has happened before in human history.
Speaker 3: No, Like, if you're like history understanders should look at
Speaker 3: what's happening and be like, oh, we're doing that again, huh.
Speaker 3: And the only way that this ends is with people
Speaker 3: getting angry enough to start doing something about it. And
Speaker 3: I feel like we are we're so like everyone's become
Speaker 3: so complacent that it's even hard to get people to
Speaker 3: care or like hear about this sort of thing from happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to be like I want
Speaker 2: to phrase this in radical terms that you don't have
Speaker 2: to be like anywhere on the left to understand that, like,
Speaker 2: this is an assault on basic human rights. It's just
Speaker 2: sort on the foundational principles of the United States government.
Speaker 2: And everyone should be said about this. You shouldn't be
Speaker 2: a left right issue. This should be like a right
Speaker 2: wrong issue. So hopefully you can all have some talks
Speaker 2: with your family this week. I don't know, like, I
Speaker 2: think it's really important to push back on the idea
Speaker 2: that these people have done any crimes, because they have not,
Speaker 2: that they have been convicted or found using any reasonable
Speaker 2: degree of evidence to be members of gangs like TRENDRAGU.
Speaker 3: And even if they have been convicted, they should not
Speaker 3: be sent to the Al Salvador Orticer labor camp. But
Speaker 3: the fact that they're not even convicted, these are just
Speaker 3: random in some cases, like random Venezuelan men who have
Speaker 3: been rounded up.
Speaker 2: For the crime of having tattoos for the most part,
Speaker 2: fucking horrifying. It is petrifying. Yeah, it's happening. It is
Speaker 2: happening here.
Speaker 3: Every day we're getting closer to the cool Zone as
Speaker 3: more and more people start taking this situation seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, take it seriously. You know, advocate for
Speaker 2: these people. Best of luck, And if you want to
Speaker 2: email us, you can do cool Zone Tip at proton
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Speaker 2: have ideas, and we will be back tomorrow with more
Speaker 2: things that are happening here.
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