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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor

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Speaker 1: with you. Many people have lost trust in many, many things.

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Speaker 1: Our guest tonight, Andy Thomas, is going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the UK's leading researchers into want to

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Speaker 1: explain mysteries and conspiracy theories. As many books include The Acclaim,

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Speaker 1: The Truth Agenda, The New Heretics, which came out in December,

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Speaker 1: which explores paranormal phenomena, global cover ups, prophecies with the

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Speaker 1: Truth Agenda and Vital Signs, widely described as a definitive

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Speaker 1: guide to the controversial Crop Circle phenomenon. Nominated for the

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Speaker 1: Kindred Spirit Magazine's Best Book Award. Andy lectures regularly around

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Speaker 1: the world and makes many regular appearances on TV and radio,

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Speaker 1: and you can learn more at his website Truth Agenda

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Speaker 1: dot org. The New Heretics it's his latest work. Andy,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. It's very nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. How did you kean on this incredible theory

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Speaker 1: of the New Heretics? So, I mean, I've been evolved

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Speaker 1: for a long time in researching as you mentioned conspiracies

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Speaker 1: to paranormal and you know, I've long had a sense that,

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Speaker 1: of course those things are treated not always with respect,

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Speaker 1: let's put it like that in the wider world. But

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Speaker 1: what we've seen in the last couple of years, especially

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Speaker 1: of course since the COVID phenomenon came in, is that

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Speaker 1: people have got very, very divided, and we have a

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Speaker 1: world now that no longer tolerates alternative views if they

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Speaker 1: feel that it's in any way of danger. So what

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Speaker 1: we're finding is we're having an orthodoxy which is creeping

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Speaker 1: in and anybody that questions that in any way at

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Speaker 1: all is now treated as an enemy. And I'm part

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Speaker 1: of an email group, so there's a group of us

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about things like this for years, and

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Speaker 1: you know, if the story comes into the news or

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Speaker 1: new paranormal discovery or something, we'll share it, we'll discuss it.

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Speaker 1: But when the COVID thing came in, and we won't

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Speaker 1: get into the arguments about that. But there were people

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Speaker 1: that immediately didn't believe it. There were some that believed

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Speaker 1: everything they were told, and then there were some in

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Speaker 1: the middle that they weren't sure, but they felt that,

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Speaker 1: and the polarization that began to creep in into just

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Speaker 1: our small group was. I thought that, you know, basically

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Speaker 1: a microcosm of what was going on in the wider world.

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Speaker 1: And we now have a phenomenon where people have got

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Speaker 1: so divided that if somebody disagrees with them, not only

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Speaker 1: is that other person wrong, but they become the enemy.

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Speaker 1: They become the opposition. And we see this in so

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Speaker 1: many walks of life. You know, we got less versus right,

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Speaker 1: we're all in danger, and so on. There's an endless

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Speaker 1: series of deans. But we all wind up shouting across

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Speaker 1: the chasm at each other, and we don't listen, we

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Speaker 1: don't understand why somebody else might have a different viewpoint.

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Speaker 1: So the new heretics is a way of trying to

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Speaker 1: put everything back on the table, a way of trying

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Speaker 1: to say, let's find ways to disagree with each other

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Speaker 1: without having to treat each other as the enemy. And

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Speaker 1: that has become a very serious problem, and we can

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Speaker 1: see it all around us. But equally, we now live

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Speaker 1: in a world of deep censorship. And we need to

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Speaker 1: share these ideas of the New Heretics puts everything in

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Speaker 1: there that the mainstream, it would seem, doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: never understand why there are new heretics. An heretic, of course,

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Speaker 1: been there in history, but those that believe in conspiracies,

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Speaker 1: those that believe in mysteries, have become literally the new heretics,

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Speaker 1: and just say that they shouldn't exist and we mustn't

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Speaker 1: And if you don't hear them out, you're basically breeding

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Speaker 1: New Heretics is. It's a way of bringing all of

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Speaker 1: That doesn't bring yet more division because that doesn't help anybody. Andy,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. But what that got us to this point?

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Speaker 1: That's the way human beings are. But it is totally accelerated.

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Speaker 1: Andy have you been following the truck driver's blockade in Canada? Yeah, absolutely,

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