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Speaker 3: Welcome to Dana Show.
Speaker 4: I'm going good for We got a great show for
Speaker 4: you tonight. We're gonna get into the big question America's
Speaker 4: grappling with right now. If someone tried to overthrow democracy
Speaker 4: and kill the vice president, is that a red flag?
Speaker 3: Let's get into it by now.
Speaker 4: There's a big story at the crossroads of media, politics
Speaker 4: and insurrections. Just days after being hired by NBC News,
Speaker 4: former RNC chairwoman Rona McDaniel is back on LinkedIn.
Speaker 5: The NBC News is now cutting ties with the former
Speaker 5: RNC chair Rona McDaniel days after hiring her as a contributor,
Speaker 5: because of major backlash from some of its biggest anchors.
Speaker 4: I find the decision to put her on the payroll inexplicable.
Speaker 1: They say that it wasn't because McDaniel is a Republican,
Speaker 1: but because she helped promote Donald Trump's lies about the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty presidential election and assisted in efforts to overturn
Speaker 1: the results.
Speaker 6: Trump posted on true Social Wow. Ronal McDaniel got fired
Speaker 6: by fake news NBC. It leaves her in a very
Speaker 6: strange place. It's called never never Land, and it's not
Speaker 6: a place you want to.
Speaker 3: Be never never Land. Where does that come from?
Speaker 4: Does Trump think that's an unemployment office for Peter Pan?
Speaker 4: I mean maybe Trump sees a kinship in tinker Bell
Speaker 4: in that if enough people don't clap for him, he dies.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Although Trump can't be too mad about it. The only
Speaker 4: reason she was available in the first place is that
Speaker 4: he fired her from the RNC a few weeks ago. Yes,
Speaker 4: ronal McDaniel lasted just five days at NBC, which is
Speaker 4: less screen time than dead bodies on Law and Order.
Speaker 5: It gets.
Speaker 3: This is sad for RNA, But also I don't really
Speaker 3: give a shit. There's a lot more important things to
Speaker 3: worry about. I mean, PTE. Denny is on the loose.
Speaker 3: He can be anywhere, you know.
Speaker 4: The ronal McDaniel situation does point to a larger question
Speaker 4: in America, which is what should happen with the people
Speaker 4: who did January six You may remember back when January
Speaker 4: sixth happened, there wasn't much of a question about this
Speaker 4: at all. Everyone who is not wearing horns agreed the
Speaker 4: people who did this had to be punished for it.
Speaker 4: Even the guy who they were wearing the horns for
Speaker 4: agreed that there had to be consequences for their violent actions.
Speaker 7: Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness,
Speaker 7: and mayhem. America is and must always be a nation
Speaker 7: of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol
Speaker 7: have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who
Speaker 7: engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do
Speaker 7: not represent our country. And to those who broke the law,
Speaker 7: you will pay.
Speaker 4: You hear that, people who broke the law, You're going
Speaker 4: to pay for that, So says the person who told you.
Speaker 3: To break the law.
Speaker 4: It's a bit like Tim Cook coming out and being like,
Speaker 4: who are these people wearing the Vision pro You look
Speaker 4: like idiots? Okay, So basically everyone agreed January sixth bad
Speaker 4: and justice needed to play out. And the good news
Speaker 4: is justice did play out. The fake electors were charged.
Speaker 4: Trump's lawyers are being disbarred, hundreds of rioters were arrested
Speaker 4: and put in jail, and it's still continuing today. Just
Speaker 4: in the past couple of weeks, a man was charged
Speaker 4: for firing a gun during the riots, and a geophysicist
Speaker 4: who stormed the capitol was sentenced to five years in prison.
Speaker 4: So if you ever thought you weren't smarter than a geophysicist.
Speaker 3: Good news, good news. And you know what if you
Speaker 3: don't mind.
Speaker 4: If you don't, I might indulge to that geophysicist, good
Speaker 4: luck using the seawall lick fluvial sequence to analyze remnant magnetization.
Speaker 4: Now you locked up, bitch. It's been bent up for
Speaker 4: a whole time. As the wheels of justice turned and
Speaker 4: life moved on, most people moved on to other things,
Speaker 4: which makes sense. Other shit happened. We had the rest
Speaker 4: of the pandemic. There was inflation, to famous people decided
Speaker 4: to date each other.
Speaker 3: And how can we focus on anything else.
Speaker 4: We can be forgiven for moving up, But Trump and
Speaker 4: the MAGA movement didn't forget about January sixth.
Speaker 3: In fact, they've been rewriting.
Speaker 8: And I have no problem saying that these January sixth
Speaker 8: defendants are being treated like political prisoners of war.
Speaker 9: The DOJ is harassing, harassing peaceful patriots across the country.
Speaker 2: They're not destroying the Capital.
Speaker 3: They obviously revere the Capitol.
Speaker 4: They're there because they believe the election was stolen from them.
Speaker 3: They believe in the system.
Speaker 10: Convicted January sixth, writer is free this morning, and now
Speaker 10: they own an honorary American flag, a gift from a
Speaker 10: Texas Republican Congressman. Doctor Simone Gold was released from prison
Speaker 10: on Friday, and Congressman Louis Gomert was there to present
Speaker 10: her with the flag.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm no history buff, but she was in
Speaker 4: the She was the loser in a failed insurrection. If
Speaker 4: you're gonna present her with the flag, it probably should
Speaker 4: have been this flag.
Speaker 3: I think, I think, I.
Speaker 4: Think no one has reversed his position on the Trump
Speaker 4: mob as hard as Donald Trump himself. He went from
Speaker 4: demanding that these criminals go to prison to promising that
Speaker 4: he's gonna get these heroes out of prison.
Speaker 11: Trump called those now serving prison sentences hostages and patriots.
Speaker 11: Do you see the spirit from the hostages? And that's
Speaker 11: what they are as hostages.
Speaker 2: Suggesting he'd pardon them as soon as he gets back
Speaker 2: into office.
Speaker 11: The first day we get into office, we were going
Speaker 11: to work with the people to treat those unbelievable patriots.
Speaker 11: And they were unbelievable patriots and are released to Jay
Speaker 11: six hostages. Joe, release them, Joe, you can do it,
Speaker 11: real easy, Joe, you can do it.
Speaker 4: Joe.
Speaker 3: The hostage is Joe. Come on, Joe.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't call convicted criminals hostages, although if Mago wants
Speaker 4: to treat them as hostages, we can have a hostage exchange.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to release them if they can give us
Speaker 4: the I don't know, old Kanye back, you know, just
Speaker 4: spitball in here. That's how far Trump has gone. He's
Speaker 4: turning these January six rioters into victims and patriots and
Speaker 4: innocent choir boys.
Speaker 3: I mean literally choir boys.
Speaker 4: There's a group of January six rioters in prison who
Speaker 4: have started a choir and they released a version of
Speaker 4: the star spangled banner that Donald Trump features on. And
Speaker 4: now Donald Trump's rallies begin like this. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 4: please rize for the horribly and unfairly treated January sixth
Speaker 4: toss stitches.
Speaker 3: That's a dramatic way to kick off at events. At
Speaker 3: the next.
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, I want to hear, ladies and gentlemen, please
Speaker 4: rise for the horribly and unfairly treated Kelly Rowland.
Speaker 3: She's just as talented as Beyonce.
Speaker 4: It's not her fault she wasn't as strategic with her career.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we can't normalize this.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when he wasted three months of our
Speaker 4: lives being mad at Colin Kaepernick for kneeling for the
Speaker 4: national anthem. Now he's saluting rioters, insurrectionists, and even worse,
Speaker 4: a cappella singers, and the.
Speaker 3: Fair didn't even take off his hat. But that's where
Speaker 3: we are now.
Speaker 4: And Ron McDaniel trying to get a job at NBC
Speaker 4: is just the latest example of Jan sixers trying to
Speaker 4: get back into the mainstream. Remember the guy with the horns,
Speaker 4: the shaman. Guess what he's up to now.
Speaker 8: He's been known by many names, Jacob Chanceley, Jake Angeley,
Speaker 8: and QAnon Shaman, among others. But now Jacob Angeley Chancelly
Speaker 8: hopes to be known by a new name, Congressman.
Speaker 12: As a congressman, I will have a platform to highlight
Speaker 12: not just these problems, but the real solutions that we
Speaker 12: have to solve them.
Speaker 3: Real solutions. What solutions could you possibly have?
Speaker 4: So security is in trouble, have you tried beaten it
Speaker 4: with the flagpole.
Speaker 3: Here's the point.
Speaker 4: This is not just a fight for how to remember
Speaker 4: the past. The people who did January six are trying
Speaker 4: to get back in power. If they lose, they'll do
Speaker 4: January sixth again. If they win, they'll probably still do
Speaker 4: January sixth again, just for old time's sake. And the
Speaker 4: rest of us need to decide. Are we just gonna
Speaker 4: let them? Are we going to draw the line at
Speaker 4: treason and tell them that in this country there is
Speaker 4: still justice and democracy and these are the values we
Speaker 4: not only stand behind, we also salute them.
Speaker 3: Maybe we can get the original version. Please please. When
Speaker 3: we come back, we'll find out if URFK Jr. Can
Speaker 3: save us stick around. Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 4: Big news in the presidential race, so let's get into
Speaker 4: it with our ongoing coverage Job Indecision twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the leading candidate for president of Narnia,
Speaker 4: Robert F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 4: He's been running a strong third in the race for president,
Speaker 4: and yesterday he found out who has the honor of
Speaker 4: coming in third with him.
Speaker 13: RFK Junior has named his running mate at a campaign
Speaker 13: rally yesterday.
Speaker 14: Her name Nicole Shanahan. He's only thirty eight years old,
Speaker 14: an Oakland, California native, a tech entrepreneur who has donated
Speaker 14: the Democratic presidential campaigns and was formerly married to Google
Speaker 14: co founder Sergey Brin.
Speaker 8: She is a Silicon Valley lawyer and philanthropist who is
Speaker 8: expected to infuse her own personal wealth into the campaign.
Speaker 13: The purpose of wealth is to help those in need.
Speaker 2: She did give four million dollars to help pay for
Speaker 2: RFK Junior's recent.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl ad.
Speaker 4: That's right, the independent outsider taking on the political and
Speaker 4: corporate power structure, decided to run for president with his
Speaker 4: sugar daddy. Although to be fair, he didn't just pick
Speaker 4: her because she's willing to spend four million dollars to
Speaker 4: get him elected.
Speaker 3: He also had much dumber reasons.
Speaker 15: I wanted a vice president who shared my passion for
Speaker 15: a wholesome healthy foods, chemical free for regenerative agriculture, for
Speaker 15: good soils. I also wanted someone who was an athlete
Speaker 15: who could help me inspire Americans to heal to keep
Speaker 15: them back in shape. And I'm happy to report my
Speaker 15: vice president is an avid surfer who attended school on
Speaker 15: a softball scholarship.
Speaker 4: Is it picking a vice president or a gym coach
Speaker 4: who cares if she serves. There's never been a crisis
Speaker 4: in American history that required the VP to shred the NARA.
Speaker 4: By the way, softball scholarship is not the boast you.
Speaker 3: Think it is.
Speaker 4: Hey, this lady got into college, but not for being smart.
Speaker 4: So RKA Junior, he has his running mate, but is
Speaker 4: she who his supporters wanted? Yesterday we sent our own
Speaker 4: Michael Costa to Oakland to find out.
Speaker 16: I'm here in Oakland, California at an RFK Junior campaign
Speaker 16: event where he's set to announce his vice presidential running mate.
Speaker 3: It's exciting.
Speaker 9: I'm unvaxed, I'm unwaxed, and I'm ready to go.
Speaker 16: It was just a few hours before the big announcement,
Speaker 16: and people were excited about a short list of incredibly
Speaker 16: credible candidates.
Speaker 3: I think Aaron Rodgers is also amazing Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 17: Just because he's also he's also anti mandatory vaccine.
Speaker 4: I really like how Aaron Rodgers stood up and spoke
Speaker 4: out against the COVID tyranny.
Speaker 16: Aaron Rodgers is the only guy with experience the Joe
Speaker 16: Rogan experience.
Speaker 9: Tony Robbins, Yeah, I'm what a hero.
Speaker 3: I saw Tony Robbins up there, Tony Robbins.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Can you imagine a cab a meeting being like, if
Speaker 9: you can see it, you can believe it.
Speaker 3: We can do it.
Speaker 13: That's totally you know, we need that kind of energy.
Speaker 16: I think it's easy for people in the mainstream media
Speaker 16: to discount RFK Junior's candidacy, but when you look around,
Speaker 16: it was a pretty serious event. So which property brother
Speaker 16: do you think he's going to pick for a vice president?
Speaker 3: These were serious choices for serious supporters.
Speaker 13: I am a conspiracy theorist great or yeah, factualist as Kevin.
Speaker 16: So which one of RFK Junior's policy excuse me?
Speaker 9: Conspiracy theories?
Speaker 3: Do you also track with his work looking into vaccines?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 14: And the issues in vaccines?
Speaker 9: How quickly after you get vaccinated do you get autism?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: That I don't know.
Speaker 16: Okay, So, first off, conspiracy theory?
Speaker 1: What is a conspiracy? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't you don't know what a conspiracy?
Speaker 6: I mean, I have some ideas.
Speaker 3: You go to school, not really are kidding me?
Speaker 9: For media? They just kind of give you this credential.
Speaker 1: Look at I wore the suit I got it is.
Speaker 16: Maybe I did need to relearn a little bit about conspiracies.
Speaker 9: Earth flat or sphere, sphere, moon landing, reeal or fake
Speaker 9: hmmm probably fake female orgasm real or fake.
Speaker 15: I could be fake, could be real.
Speaker 6: Well, that's not helping me, since none of this was
Speaker 6: really helping me.
Speaker 16: I was glad when it finally came time to hear
Speaker 16: the big announcement. There's something in the air right now
Speaker 16: along with all the cancer causing wi FI and it's excitement.
Speaker 15: Crowd to introduce all of you the next Vice President
Speaker 15: of the United States of America. Nicole Shanahan called it.
Speaker 3: I call it, call them. That's right.
Speaker 16: An ip lawyer in the digital space who funded RFK
Speaker 16: Junior's multimillion dollars Super Bowl commercials somehow beat out the
Speaker 16: host of Dirty Jobs.
Speaker 3: A truly historic moment. How exciting is this?
Speaker 9: We have a complete ticket and the VP candidate.
Speaker 13: Is Shanahan and that is depressing.
Speaker 9: When they announced her name in there, people were going crazy,
Speaker 9: certainly googling.
Speaker 1: Who is this person?
Speaker 9: We all are, Okay, what's your initial thoughts?
Speaker 1: Do not much?
Speaker 6: I guess I was a little disappointed when I heard,
Speaker 6: and I didn't really know who she was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I vaguely had heard the name.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I know the name Nicole right, and
Speaker 9: I know the name Shanahan, but I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know them together.
Speaker 9: So I guess Aaron Rodgers is out of luck and
Speaker 9: a lot of other potential feats.
Speaker 15: I thought he would pick maybe like an inside politics
Speaker 15: like black woman. That's who I thought he would pick.
Speaker 9: Let's name our favorite inside politic black woman. On the
Speaker 9: count of three, ready, one, two, three, you start, there's.
Speaker 1: A bunch of woman.
Speaker 6: But yeah, maybe Oprah. Maybe Oprah probably couldn't get her
Speaker 6: that I know Oprah.
Speaker 16: But I had one more easy question for these truly
Speaker 16: engaged supporters.
Speaker 9: Do you feel that Nicole Shanahan is a step in
Speaker 9: the same direction as RFK JR.
Speaker 7: Don't know.
Speaker 9: Looks like these RFK fans are gonna have to do
Speaker 9: a bit more of their own research.
Speaker 3: Thanks Michael, We come back by rental. We're joining me
Speaker 3: on the show. Don't Go Away. Welcome back to the
Speaker 3: Daily Show.
Speaker 4: My guest tonight is an investigative reporter at Notice whose
Speaker 4: new book is called Means of Control. How the hidden
Speaker 4: alliance of tech and government is creating a new American
Speaker 4: surveillance State. Please welcome byrontal, thank you, going.
Speaker 16: Bye, Rod.
Speaker 4: I got this book scared me, Okay, I gotta be
Speaker 4: real honest, it scared me. It's fascinating, and I don't
Speaker 4: want to scare people away. But there was a lot
Speaker 4: of revelatory things in here.
Speaker 12: Now I.
Speaker 4: Have some skepticism, and I understand that technology a lot
Speaker 4: of times, these tech world these tech apps, they're tracking me.
Speaker 4: They have a lot of data. I understand the government
Speaker 4: maybe not always above board. But you found a way
Speaker 4: to put these two together like a ham and cheese
Speaker 4: sandwich of paranoia. And tell me, I feel like a
Speaker 4: lot of this starts started to surprise me. Starts here
Speaker 4: at these digital advertising exchanges, right start with me there,
Speaker 4: What do I need to understand about a digital advertising exchange?
Speaker 13: Sure, so that banner ad that you see every time
Speaker 13: you load an app or a website that's tracking you
Speaker 13: in more ways than one. Every time you load something
Speaker 13: like that and you see a little display ad, you're
Speaker 13: actually passing a ton of information back to these technology
Speaker 13: companies that are vacuuming it up. They're collecting it, they're
Speaker 13: trying to build profiles of you, and there are thousands
Speaker 13: of them that are all getting this data every time
Speaker 13: you load an app, and some of those entities are
Speaker 13: actually saving that data. They're brokering it. It's become a
Speaker 13: big business model, so they're selling it to other entities.
Speaker 13: So whenever you give a weather app permission to know
Speaker 13: your location, your location is actually being passed back to
Speaker 13: this mind numbingly complex system of digital advertising. And there
Speaker 13: are thousands of parties there that can collect it, even
Speaker 13: if they're not the one that serves you the ad.
Speaker 13: And so a lot of data is saved and resold.
Speaker 4: And so what you're telling me here is well some
Speaker 4: of that I assume, right, I open up that weather app.
Speaker 3: Oh, it knows it's cold hair.
Speaker 4: It's going to sell me a parka, right, and also
Speaker 4: knows that I'm cheap, so it's going to have to
Speaker 4: be a cheap parka.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 3: These are what these phones? Do you talk about?
Speaker 4: The government has decided, well, for get, we can use
Speaker 4: this too, Right, I'm okay with Nike pouncing on me
Speaker 4: and selling me these shoes form my gout riddled feet.
Speaker 4: Perhaps I share too much they already know, well, how
Speaker 4: is the government getting in on this action?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 13: So there's a lot of ways government gets data from
Speaker 13: things like digital advertisers. So sometimes they just buy it
Speaker 13: from these data brokers that sit there and they slurp
Speaker 13: it all up and they sell it. Sometimes government contractors
Speaker 13: set up things like things that look like marketing companies
Speaker 13: and they get access to these ad networks and they
Speaker 13: provide the data to the government. Sometimes governments hack into
Speaker 13: these systems, So there's lots and lots of ways for
Speaker 13: governments to get data off of these networks, and often
Speaker 13: they just simply need to open their wallets and buy it.
Speaker 3: Is this legal?
Speaker 13: This is by and large considered legal because when the
Speaker 13: government acts as a buyer in a consumer market, lawyers
Speaker 13: have tended to take the position that you've lost the
Speaker 13: reasonable expectation no privacy that's core to your Fourth Amendment rights.
Speaker 13: Right Like, you've already told something like a digital advertiser
Speaker 13: or a bank or some other company something about yourself
Speaker 13: or the information that you're generating. So what privacy interest
Speaker 13: do you have in it? And if it's available for
Speaker 13: sale and the government's buying it just like any other buyer,
Speaker 13: most lawyers have blessed these kind of programs.
Speaker 4: You you go into the apps like Grinder, and initially,
Speaker 4: as I'm in the book, that's no judgement, no.
Speaker 3: No judgment, no judgment.
Speaker 4: In the book, you talk about apps like Grinder, yes, right,
Speaker 4: and how that data was suddenly being used for nefarious purposes,
Speaker 4: and even talk about a Catholic blog essentially that purchase
Speaker 4: information on a bishop and then publishes that and outs
Speaker 4: that bishop and gets that bishop fire.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Is that some of the like, what are some of
Speaker 4: the examples of these these this information being used for
Speaker 4: nefarious purposes.
Speaker 13: Yeah, So with that example, it's not that Grinder is
Speaker 13: out there selling its users data. It's that Grinder wants
Speaker 13: to serve ads to its users like many other apps.
Speaker 13: But when you serve ads, you are exposing all of
Speaker 13: your users to these thousands of advertisers, these entities that
Speaker 13: can collect this information, and again, some of them sell it,
Speaker 13: and some of them sell it to people that they
Speaker 13: don't look very closely at. And so in this instance,
Speaker 13: there were a bunch of Catholic journalists who had received
Speaker 13: tips from people who had acquired this data through purchasing it,
Speaker 13: and they were going around and they were saying something like,
Speaker 13: you know, we have a lead on some priests that
Speaker 13: might be using Grinder and violating their vows, and one
Speaker 13: of those journalists bid on it and published a story
Speaker 13: about this, and this Catholic official had to resign. And
Speaker 13: this is true of not just Grinder, but basically any
Speaker 13: app where we share our location and that wants to
Speaker 13: serve as banner advertising. We're sharing a ton of data
Speaker 13: with them, and whoever's out there and you know, has
Speaker 13: access to it, can buy it.
Speaker 18: Now.
Speaker 4: You mentioned something here at the end of the book
Speaker 4: talking about the recent Dobs decision. Right and right now,
Speaker 4: access to abortion services is limited in some states. People
Speaker 4: are crossing the state lines to get that. Is this
Speaker 4: the type of thing that you see as a harbinger
Speaker 4: for a tactic or a tool for states to purchase
Speaker 4: through advertisers, ways in which to track people potentially committing
Speaker 4: what they see as a crime.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's certainly possible that state governments who have decided
Speaker 13: that they want to make abortion unlawful and want to
Speaker 13: even take the step of potentially, you know, seeing what
Speaker 13: residents travel out of state. The sheer amount of data
Speaker 13: that's slashing around about all of us all the time
Speaker 13: is a target for states like that, and it's entirely
Speaker 13: possible that states could either purchase data or you know,
Speaker 13: if they're going to go down the route of criminalizing
Speaker 13: traveling out of state for abortion, they could simply subpoena
Speaker 13: it or go to court for it. And so it
Speaker 13: really does make it hard to move around the world
Speaker 13: anonymously these days because of all the data that we
Speaker 13: all generate every day.
Speaker 4: You talk about the privilege of disappearing, and you also
Speaker 4: talk I mean, I guess I hear this and I
Speaker 4: understand it, and it scares me. But I also, on
Speaker 4: the other hand, think like can we avoid this? Is
Speaker 4: this sort of the world we are in right now?
Speaker 4: And as a journalist, as an investigative journalist, there's an
Speaker 4: element of secrecy, at least assumed with some of the
Speaker 4: conversations you have or what have you. In the book
Speaker 4: you talk about you even went to go purchase a car,
Speaker 4: and somebody who's researching a book about the ways in
Speaker 4: which people can weaponize data on you purchasing a car
Speaker 4: that you already see ways in which that ties you
Speaker 4: to location. How do you go about a process of
Speaker 4: purchasing that and be an investigative journalist who cares about secrecy?
Speaker 13: Well, the poor hyundaid dealership that I walked into. I
Speaker 13: have no idea what they were getting into.
Speaker 4: Another investigative journalists, data brokerage.
Speaker 3: God damn it.
Speaker 13: They didn't even know how to answer the questions I
Speaker 13: was asking. So you know, I eventually made them go
Speaker 13: get a car from like two states over that didn't
Speaker 13: even have the little cell chip that can transmit the data.
Speaker 3: Because cause you walk in there, I just think it's
Speaker 3: a car.
Speaker 4: It's a car, But you're talking about their's cell chips
Speaker 4: essentially like the Bluetooth that's in the car and also
Speaker 4: in the tires.
Speaker 13: Right, So one thing people don't realize, but your tires
Speaker 13: actually are broadcasting a little radio signal constantly, and it's
Speaker 13: meant it's there to tell the car central computer that
Speaker 13: your tire pressure is low, perfectly reasonable safety mechanism. But
Speaker 13: clever governments have figured out, hey, a tire is a
Speaker 13: proxy for a car. That tire is screaming a unique
Speaker 13: identifier all the time. We put a little sensor here,
Speaker 13: a little sensor there, a little sensor under a bridge,
Speaker 13: a little sensor in a tunnel. We can track cars
Speaker 13: around based on their car tires, and car companies don't
Speaker 13: seem to realize that this is a vector for tracking,
Speaker 13: and have never done anything to make these vehicles or
Speaker 13: make these systems work better for privacy.
Speaker 3: And they can sell that information to insurance companies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so a lot.
Speaker 13: There's a big controversy now about selling car data to
Speaker 13: insurance companies. So car companies like GM, we're doing that,
Speaker 13: and they recently said they were stopping selling it to
Speaker 13: data brokers, that we're selling it to insurance companies for
Speaker 13: public safety purposes. It seems like governments are putting up
Speaker 13: these little sensors that might be able to track either
Speaker 13: your license plate reader or your car hires or both,
Speaker 13: or all sorts of other things that I don't even
Speaker 13: know about.
Speaker 3: Yes, but yes, this is entirely possible.
Speaker 4: So you have to take extra steps as an investigative
Speaker 4: journalist to keep this anonymity.
Speaker 13: Yeah, and there are things that ordinary people can do, right.
Speaker 13: You can be a little bit more careful with the
Speaker 13: permissions on your phone. You know, not every game needs
Speaker 13: access to your twenty four to seven location, your photo, role,
Speaker 13: and all this data about you, right, Like, it'll work
Speaker 13: just fine without it. You know, every time you open
Speaker 13: the Uber app, you don't need to let it have
Speaker 13: your geolocation to type the address this you're at. You know,
Speaker 13: so you can do small things to reclaim privacy and
Speaker 13: make sure that you know parties that don't need your
Speaker 13: data don't get it.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 4: As I read this, I thought about this about secrecy, well,
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Speaker 17: This has benettly tragic day for America. Violence in any
Speaker 17: form is absolutely unacceptable. It is anti American and must
Speaker 17: be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Speaker 1: Do you still think it was a tragic day?
Speaker 10: Do you think that the people who storm the Capitol
Speaker 10: should be held responsible to the full extent of all
Speaker 10: I have.
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