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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt It's Super Bowl Friday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, happy super Bowl at all.

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Speaker 1: The NFL had its awards, last letter gave out its awards.

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Speaker 2: Steelers were involved.

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward gets congratulations from the NFL Defensive Player or Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Where long overdue for that, great, great honor for Cam

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Speaker 1: and really happy for him that he won that award.

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Speaker 2: It's a big deal, a real deal. Yeah, I'm really

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Speaker 2: happy for him. I think it was really important to

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Speaker 2: him from what many people have kind of expressed, and

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Speaker 2: you could tell it touched him and it's well deserved.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a combination.

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Speaker 1: He's took a million dollars for his charities too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even know.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, that's cool. So it's good for the city.

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Speaker 2: It's good for I think his charities are also in

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Speaker 2: Atlanta from what I understand.

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Speaker 1: We's got both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so good for all the people that

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Speaker 2: it helps. And it was a combination of being on

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Speaker 2: the field and off which he kind of epitomizes that.

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Speaker 2: So that was a very bright note of the evening.

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Speaker 2: That's that's phenomenal. Yeah, did you see a speech some

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Speaker 2: I saw some clips of it on some Katie K

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Speaker 2: show this morning that was on when I was doing work,

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Speaker 2: and he.

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Speaker 1: Was like, Prince Harry was there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he realized it was Prince Harry until

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Speaker 1: I get up on the stage and they.

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Speaker 2: Kind of shock him and he was overwhelmed. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know why Prince Harry's there, But that's cool. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: He might live in Vegas, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, whatever. He was there for the game, whatever he wants, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, that was a big deal. And you know,

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Speaker 1: got a chance to talk about his dad, which is

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Speaker 1: obviously a big part of his life, his mom, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just everybody around him he saw, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mike Tomlin was there for Mike Tomlin doesn't

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Speaker 1: usually go to those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's surprising.

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Speaker 1: I think he may he may have gotten a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a heads up then maybe, but he had

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Speaker 1: three players up for awards too, so there's a chance

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Speaker 1: that could have hit more than one, you know, or none.

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Speaker 2: But no, that's awesome. That's a great deal. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's a legacy thing. You know, you get the cool

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Speaker 2: patch on your jersey the rest of your career. You

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Speaker 2: went over all the names that have won them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's an illustrious list, to say the least. And you know,

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Speaker 2: and we worried a little bit yesterday how many more

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Speaker 2: chances is he going to get? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was largely. I mean when I went over that

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Speaker 1: Year award winners, they were only like maybe one or

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Speaker 1: two that you said, who's that guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody else the most household name.

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Speaker 2: And I've been eighty percent of or Hall of famers

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Speaker 2: great honor, very very cool. Congrats to Cam. Other ones

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Speaker 2: didn't go quite as well. And for the Steelers, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't expect you, ay, Porter Junior to

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Speaker 2: I didn't either, No, talk about it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But you know the fact that that that TJ. Watt

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Speaker 2: Not as close as it should have been. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: for sure. So a couple of things is no one's

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Speaker 2: disputing Garrett's a great player. No, But I've heard a

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Speaker 2: lot of people say things like, well he gets doubled more.

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Speaker 2: Crosby probably gets double more than anyone in the league.

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Speaker 2: And I don't care about the double coverage You're double

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Speaker 2: But Crosby, Parsons, Bosa, Garrett what, They're the focal point

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Speaker 2: Garrett had a tremendous year on a very good, not

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Speaker 2: them super quick. The bigger numbers always watch folks. Yes,

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Speaker 1: That hard to fudge the solos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's forty eight to thirty three. The

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Speaker 2: Watt's favor. All the big numbers are what pressures fifty

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Speaker 2: fumbles are tied at four. Okay, Fumble recoveries favor WAT

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Speaker 1: Across the board better, which was my argument the entire

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Speaker 1: That's not exactly the exact passsh win rate and stick

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Speaker 1: because it's a made up stat. Yeah, it's a completely

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Speaker 2: You know, you tweet some stuff out and we were

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Speaker 2: texting back and forth. So who's doing the voting? You know,

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Speaker 2: like Dexter Lawrence got one vote. Tremendous football player, but

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Speaker 2: player not even in contention. He had fifty.

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Speaker 1: He had fifty tackles in four sacks this year. Three

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Speaker 1: of his sacks came into two games against Washington.

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Speaker 1: And his team finished twenty sixth in scoring, defense of

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth and rushing defense. Don't tell me how destructive?

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Speaker 2: He's a great should never get a first place vote

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Speaker 1: And three, somebody's trying to compare that.

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Speaker 1: He came at me and said, yeah, but TJ want

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Speaker 2: He set the NFL record for sacks. You're gonna compare,

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Speaker 2: me one on know, like, who's who's given that vote?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I tweeted out the list of people and

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Speaker 2: Know them good people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But there's other people on the list. I have

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Speaker 2: Really. I mean, I've covered the league for thirty thirty

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Speaker 2: I've been doing a long time too. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: Again? I know, I know pretty much every one of

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Speaker 2: And there's some very respectable people there, I can assure you.

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Speaker 2: I'm cool with those things. But I promise you this

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Speaker 1: There's definitely some of that.

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Speaker 1: That was brought up when when I presented Troy Paula Malo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're putting way too many first timers in. What are

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Speaker 2: We just put the best five in.

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Speaker 1: Please, you're either a Hall of Famer or not. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where going they did. The fact we

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Speaker 2: like I've been kept saying, like, yeah, Hester's an unbelievable returner. Unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson his rookie year was was an All Pro returner.

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Speaker 1: Pro returner Antonio Brown and All Pro returner. Right, But

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Speaker 2: We can't let you do that.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to put you out there and let

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Speaker 2: There all the tide anyone else care. It's the only

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Speaker 2: player to get taken off special teams. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Was a great special teams player.

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Speaker 2: Do you think. I mean, Hester still might be the

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Speaker 2: best returner ever great, but oh I think he is.

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Speaker 1: For Woindson was pretty good at it too, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you just do it. I mean, so.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if you put Barry Sanders back return.

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Speaker 2: Returning kickoff Adrian Peterson every time, or even a Randy

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Speaker 2: Moss who isn't built for it. He might just still

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Speaker 2: no one's asking to please a receiver or safety as far.

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Speaker 1: As I'm concerned. And if we can get an argument

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think you tackled anybody.

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Speaker 2: Kickoff returner a right time. I mean he always was

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Speaker 1: I just think it it. I think it's a farce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that point though. My co host

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Speaker 2: with one hundred games. Yeah, well you weren't. You're too

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Speaker 1: I guess, and Mike Vick might have been pretty good

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Speaker 2: That right there, right, there's a million examples.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they asked Dick Buckets to do that,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson's blocked up on them. Yeah, you know, those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my co host was mentioned, he's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the way the best.

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Speaker 1: It's obvious you're the best player on the field.

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Speaker 2: So I thought that was a great point, Like, would

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Speaker 1: Uh. Mike Seleiski, who is a calumnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer,

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Speaker 1: in pro football, returning to play after after standing on

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Speaker 2: To the playoffs. Strong point. I don't understand that award

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Speaker 2: Baker's come back more impressive than Flacco's? Maybe, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: None of them are the same as Hamlin's. I never

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Speaker 1: He never died on the football field, right, he was.

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Speaker 2: Dead, Yes, and now he is still a football player. Yes,

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty good I don't care how many snaps

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Speaker 2: What he came back from was more than sitting on

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Speaker 2: Like it's kind of a backhanded compliment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the made up awards. So if you

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Speaker 1: think about it, the Browns one defensive player of the year,

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Speaker 2: Where they win their division. Yeah, and how does Schwartz

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Speaker 1: But big splits. I mean, I mean you would talk

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sixteen points at home. It's the best in the league.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen points is also how many points per game Baltimore's

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 2: You know, his case isn't as strong, and the Gates

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Dexter Lawrence isn't a great football player.

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Speaker 1: Can't even get into the finalists for the for the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like the vote for the make a

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Speaker 2: of Crosby and Parsons and guys that have real cases.

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Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, the slappy who voted for Dron Bland, there's

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Speaker 2: I think so too. I mean, Lawrence is harder to

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Speaker 2: play against him Bland. Yeah, and I'm aware of a

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Speaker 1: Anyways, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and Matt they'll play a little football game, Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: little best weekend over in Las Vegas. The Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're the home team, designated home team. That's

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Speaker 1: Which have we talked about this? We haven't.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a big Michael Lombardi fan. Yeah, who you

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Speaker 2: know is did a lot of work without and the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: He eventually became their GM. He has two good books

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Speaker 1: Like well, I mean, that's all set ahead. It's not

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Speaker 2: Little sloppy, so I didn't quite understand. I knew the

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Speaker 2: Franchises. Yeah, exactly everybody there, Like are they using you

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Speaker 2: second half. Yeah, they were like the commercial break screw

437
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Speaker 2: with you, you know, like the whole timing of the

438
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Speaker 2: game messes with your brain.

439
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Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of the Super super Bowl

440
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 1: halftime show, by the way, do we really need? That's

441
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Speaker 1: a complete waste of Like you do something a certain

442
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,479
Speaker 1: way all year long. I know me too, and then

443
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden we have to have a forty

444
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Speaker 1: five minute halftime, like why? And they do it for

445
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Speaker 1: the they do it for the Thanksgiving games as well,

446
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Speaker 1: and I just don't.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure do they.

448
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Speaker 1: Really think people are watching just to watch that?

449
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Speaker 2: To be they must be, I mean that's why the

450
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Speaker 2: ads are so expensive and all that. I know there's

451
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Speaker 2: a lot more eyeballs on it, but it's not the same.

452
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Speaker 1: This isn't minor league baseball. We don't need people shooting

453
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Speaker 1: you know, the mascots running around and people shooting T

454
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Speaker 1: shirts into the crowd and all that.

455
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Speaker 2: I having gimmicks and you know, fifty cent periods.

456
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Speaker 1: If you want to have a halftime show, I get it.

457
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Speaker 1: Should it Should it take forty five minutes or however

458
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Speaker 1: long it takes, Like, no, if it's twelve minutes, yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: you get twelve minutes, you come out, you do your

460
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Speaker 1: two three songs, and get the heck off the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need the stones out there for a

462
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Speaker 2: half hour or whatever, you know. I mean yeah, and

463
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Speaker 2: I'm sure the field isn't the same after the either,

464
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Speaker 2: especially if it's a grass field. I mean sometimes there's

465
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Speaker 2: hundreds of dancers down there on the field, and like

466
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Speaker 2: can we think about which brings me another thing? And

467
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Speaker 2: it made me insane last year how bad the field was,

468
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Speaker 2: Like if I was an Eagles fan, that was build

469
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Speaker 2: on pass rush. But like come on, man, you know,

470
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Speaker 2: like that should never happen in a game Like it's

471
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Speaker 2: the super Bowl. It should be the premost pristine playing conditions,

472
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Speaker 2: you know, halftime show and like this should be the

473
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Speaker 2: most pristine production for the game.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the super Bowl. You know, the halftime performers

475
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Speaker 1: don't get paid.

476
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Speaker 2: Oh really, I bet they make money though. Yeah, everybody

477
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Speaker 2: minds up to do it because it's you know, best

478
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Speaker 2: exposure ever.

479
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Speaker 1: I could do without it.

480
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Speaker 2: I'm the same way, but I mean, I know I'm on.

481
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Speaker 1: But I'm a Yeah, we football purists, I get it.

482
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Speaker 1: You know, shut up, old guys, you're yelling at the clouds.

483
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Speaker 1: Of course people are going.

484
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Speaker 2: To say that, But I mean, my wife and daughter

485
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Speaker 2: might emerge for the halftime show, and only you know.

486
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Speaker 1: My wife will actually watch the game.

487
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Speaker 2: Yeah, might won't, there's no chance, but just fine by me.

488
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Speaker 2: But if the halftime show was on, she might pay

489
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Speaker 2: attention to it, you know. So I mean, I understand

490
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Speaker 2: those peripheral eyes care but I'm with you, like, can't

491
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Speaker 2: we just have a normal halftime?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't change so looking at this game, I've

493
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Speaker 1: looked at it a lot of different ways, and I

494
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Speaker 1: do think that, you know, if you go roster versus roster,

495
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Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs had an advantage on the offensive line, yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: at quarterback and in the secondary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with all those. It's probably and special

498
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Speaker 2: teams and special teams yeah yeah, yeah, special teams as

499
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Speaker 2: a whole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the forty nine ers have the advantage

501
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Speaker 1: running back obviously, receiver, tight end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, skips, Yeah, agreed.

503
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Speaker 1: They have defensive front and linebackers.

504
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Speaker 2: Definitely linebackers both both. Yeah in a manna who's hurt.

505
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Speaker 2: Tony's also heard they're a little healthier.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also give Kansas City it's like coaching advantage,

508
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Speaker 2: but both are strong. If you were to rank the

509
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Speaker 2: four units, both offenses, both defenses, I think San Francisco's

510
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: offense is one, but their defense is four.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is surprising.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not like any of them are bad.

513
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Speaker 2: I mean, over the course of the year, the Chiefs

514
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Speaker 2: offense this would be four. But I'm not believing at home.

515
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Speaker 2: It hasn't been the playoffs and in one game. I'm

516
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Speaker 2: not putting that for Yeah.

517
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Speaker 1: No, In fact, I would put it closer. It might

518
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Speaker 1: be one, be one because because of that guy him,

519
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Speaker 1: I trust him to make not make the mistake more

520
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Speaker 1: so than I do Party.

521
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Speaker 2: Huge thing. I mean again, these turnover worthy plays, et cetera.

522
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Speaker 2: He has none in the playoffs. Party has six, and

523
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Speaker 2: none of which got picked off. You know, Like, Party

524
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Speaker 2: still scares me a little.

525
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Speaker 1: He's extremely fortunate, he really is.

526
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Speaker 2: He's been living on this thin line for a long time.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and hey, you know, maybe Mahomes makes a mistake

528
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Speaker 1: in this game the cost him, or you know, maybe

529
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Speaker 1: one of their past catchers puts the ball in it.

530
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Speaker 1: Maybe they decide to play Kadarius Tony in this game

531
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Speaker 1: and he makes the big mistake, which right prone to.

532
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Speaker 2: Do, yeah yeah, or bounce off out of Scantlet's face.

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Speaker 1: But people act like like this Chiefs team wasn't good

534
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Speaker 1: during the regular season. If if Kadarius Tony doesn't line

535
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Speaker 1: up off sides right right again in that game against

536
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Speaker 1: the Bills, A, the Bills don't make the playoffs. True,

537
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Speaker 1: b the Chiefs are the two seed in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that simple because they scored on that scored.

539
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Speaker 2: I think people remember like the Raiders Christmas game, like

540
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: this isn't doesn't look like the Chiefs and never quite

541
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Speaker 2: did look like the Chiefs tard to stop the top

542
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Speaker 2: to bottom for the season. But they were never bad. No,

543
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Speaker 2: I mean, they were never bad.

544
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Speaker 1: And if you give me Andy, you give Andy Reid

545
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Speaker 1: two weeks to scheme up, like they're going to come

546
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Speaker 1: up with something that San Francisco hasn't seen.

547
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Speaker 2: I think Spaganola gets an advantage there too. Not the

548
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: Shanahan's a bad you know, and anyone in the Niners

549
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: staff is ill equipped to take advantage of the extra week.

550
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Speaker 2: But Reed's you know, history after a buye is unbelievably good.

551
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Speaker 2: I think Spaganola is one of the best defensive coordinators

552
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Speaker 2: I've ever lived, And I think it's just easier to

553
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Speaker 2: get two weeks to pick apart the opposing quarterback. You're

554
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: gonna find more things to attack Purdy than Mahomes. And frankly,

555
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Speaker 2: that's true for every quarterback not named as you know.

556
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing, Like you could game plan

557
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Speaker 2: all year for that one game against Mahomes, it might

558
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Speaker 2: not matter.

559
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Speaker 1: And I covered this game when these two teams met

560
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl a few years ago, and San

561
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Speaker 1: Francisco's not dominating, but they're winning the game the entire

562
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Speaker 1: through three courters. But it wasn't by enough.

563
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Speaker 2: It wasn't by enough.

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and next thing you know, they're up two scores

565
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Speaker 1: on the Homes in the fourth quarter and then boom.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I keep referencing my podcast because my co host

567
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Speaker 2: is locked on forty nine Ers. He's a Niners guy

568
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: like we are Steelers, and he couldn't say enough if

569
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Speaker 2: you don't play sixty minutes you're gonna lose.

570
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Speaker 1: You know, like.

571
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Speaker 2: Even if you know the you a nice lead at halftime,

572
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Speaker 2: or you have a fourteen point lead with ten minutes

573
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Speaker 2: left in the game and the Chiefs are putting ten

574
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Speaker 2: guys in the box, Kyle handed off, you know, like

575
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Speaker 2: it's not time to get cute. I mean he worries

576
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Speaker 2: me a little bit in those crunch.

577
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Speaker 1: Times against Atlanta too, when he was right.

578
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just trust Read to close things

579
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Speaker 2: out more, and I trust the Chiefs more at the

580
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Speaker 2: end of the game and at the beginning of the

581
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Speaker 2: game because the nerves and the bend there and I guess,

582
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Speaker 2: like we were making fun of it today, Mahomes. He

583
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Speaker 2: has a super Bowl schedule like Brady, like, yeah, so

584
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Speaker 2: when I go to Super Bowl, I do this, I

585
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Speaker 2: do that because he's there all the time, you know,

586
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: like this is like just another game for him and

587
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Read and Spags and Kelsey and they go all the time,

588
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Speaker 2: Like I don't think their heart's going to be bouncing

589
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Speaker 2: out of their chest on the sideline during the national

590
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Speaker 2: anthem with you know, a million flash bulbs going off.

591
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: I know there's not bulbs anymore, and you know, fighter

592
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: jets flying over your head and stuff like they'll handle it. Yeah,

593
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: they both leaning towards the Chiefs. But we've had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I am not bad against Mahomes. I'm just not doing

595
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: it with I won't do it.

596
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm done with that guy.

597
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: I picked the Bills to beat the Chiefs because I

598
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: thought that game, you know, hey, they finally get him

599
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: on the road, right right. He goes into bad he

600
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: goes into the Buffalo, he wins there. He goes into Baltimore,

601
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: he wins there. I'm not picking against the guy.

602
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm not here. I think he's Michael Jordan at least. Yeah,

603
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: Like I really think it's like, why would I ever.

604
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Speaker 1: He's done some things this year that I've watched him,

605
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: and I watched it. I'm like, oh, he just rubbed

606
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: me the wrong way. But he's a tremendous football player.

607
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: I tweeted this a couple of hours ago. I mean,

608
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: he's he's only been an underdog in Vegas twelve times

609
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: in his career for a week, I mean, which is

610
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: crazy in itself. At those twelve games, he's ten to

611
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: one and one against the spread and nine and three

612
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: straight up as a dog, Like is this really going

613
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Speaker 2: to be much different?

614
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

615
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, redundan't the forty nine ers.

616
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Speaker 1: Have been favored in every one of their games this year.

617
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Speaker 1: They're one of the I can't remember. It's like the

618
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty I can't remember which team it was. But

619
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Speaker 1: it doesn't happen often when the team has favored every

620
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Speaker 1: single game in their season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you'd have a tough division, real game.

622
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: That's you know they lost games this year? Yeah yeah, yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: of course as favorites. As favorites and let alone against

624
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Speaker 1: spread stuff too. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm a little shocked.

625
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are a dog. Yeah yeah, we'll get down their.

626
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: Rosters as good as the Niners. I mean, if you

627
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: go like you said, position by position, I'll take the

628
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Fred Warners and hard Graves and blah blah blah. I'm

629
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: not betting against him, but they get the best player.

630
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: They got the best player, and he that usually wins

631
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: in this sport or most sports, you have an elite,

632
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: transcendent player. He was playing better than ever.

633
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Speaker 1: I just I don't trust Rock pretty did not to

634
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: your point. He said six that haven't happened.

635
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs will take the ball away Oh yeah,

636
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: they're going to be aggressive and they're they're the back

637
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: seven's really good and I'm sure they'll hit them. And

638
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: I just know Spags is gonna throw stuff at them

639
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: that are going to be difficult. I mean, there's no

640
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: question about it.

641
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Party is going to be the third youngest

642
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in Super Bowl history at twenty four.

643
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: Maybe the coolest customer in the world. He may be

644
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: cool hand Luke, but he's gonna be he's.

645
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Gonna a little geeked up for Oh yeah, only Dan

646
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Marino and Ben Roethlisberger were younger.

647
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Was Ben the youngest? Yeah, okay, I thought so.

648
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: And we know that Roethlisberger didn't play great in that game, no, right.

649
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: And I can't remember. I don think Marino did either.

650
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: I know he lost. Yeah, I mean, I mean these

651
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: are elite young players. They were better football players all in.

652
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Speaker 1: Their second year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's not like it's this is

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Speaker 1: kind of what happens in these games to these guys

656
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Speaker 1: on the big stage, and and you know you need

657
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Speaker 1: the team to kind of help you overcome that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Which weren't playing Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he was playing Montana which is similar. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, but.

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger was playing Hasselback. That's kind of why the Steelers

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Speaker 1: one man that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, I think brock Perty is a thousand

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Speaker 2: times better than I thought he was one year ago.

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Speaker 2: Mahomes and fran Homes, he's not been or Marino either,

666
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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I'm not sure he's a bust

667
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: waiting for him again. I mean, I'm real impressed with him.

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Speaker 2: But I turnover battle special teams. I bet favors the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs and that's probably all Mahomes needs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, give that guy an opening,

671
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Speaker 1: he's going to take it because he's not going to

672
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Speaker 1: make the big mistake.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he doesn't even take sacks.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, we went over the stats for forty

675
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Speaker 1: eight hundred yards, thirty nine touchdowns, is seven interceptions in

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Speaker 1: seventeen playoff games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, along those scenes, how about Kelsey. He's played fifteen

678
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: playoff games with Mahomes, which is almost a full season.

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Speaker 2: He's been thrown to one hundred and forty seven times

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Speaker 2: and has caught one hundred and twenty three of them,

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Speaker 2: which is bonkers. For thirteen hundred and eighty five yards

682
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Speaker 2: and seventeen touchdowns. Yeah, and just under a season's worth

683
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Speaker 2: of work against what would be the hardest schedule in

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Speaker 2: the league. You know that shouldn't shock anyone after the

685
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Speaker 2: ma home stats. But Kelsey's going to be a force

686
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: in this game. I mean, two weeks to rest, been

687
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: playing great. I have a lot of respect for the Niners,

688
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: but I think this is a bad matchup for him.

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Speaker 1: I think it is too Yeah, let's get to a break.

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691
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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie, and you're listening to the drive

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Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio. And the Steelers have made

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00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: it official. Yeah, with three additions to their coaching staff.

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00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Tom Arth is now the quarterbacks coach, Zach A. Zanni

704
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Speaker 1: is the wide receive receivers coach, as we talked about yesterday,

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Speaker 1: And they also hired Mateo Cambouie as offensive assistant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just did a little bit of homework

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Speaker 2: on Cambooie. He comes from Atlanta, Yeah, he was. He's

708
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Speaker 2: got an offensive line background for Atlanta, so I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Arthur Smith had a lot to do with that. Again,

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Speaker 2: we talked about this yesterday and commenting on assistant coaches,

711
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Speaker 2: commenting on coordinators art commenting on assistant coaches is nearly impossible.

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Speaker 2: But I like the approach they took of going outside

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Speaker 2: the organization, going outside the comfort zone a little bit,

714
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Speaker 2: bringing in a lot of different ways of looking at things.

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Speaker 2: And I know people were like, why would you take

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Speaker 2: anyone from the Jets? You have no idea if he's

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Speaker 2: a good receiver coach or not. Just it doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: what team they ca.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't just coached the Jets too. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: been around the league. He's you know, he's he was

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Speaker 1: with the Jets last year, but he coached in Denver

722
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Speaker 1: four years before that and also coached in Chicago. He's

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Speaker 1: you know, so he's he's been around.

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Speaker 2: He's got laflora Rogers connection. Yeah, I mean that's that's

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Speaker 2: the Denver Jets situation. Yeah, and then laf is a

726
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Speaker 2: really good offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who also happened to work with Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're bringing in.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who has sometimes you got to feel back a

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Speaker 1: little bit fundamentals of the offensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be a stretch for him. Uh

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Speaker 1: So if you look at the team right now, here's

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Speaker 1: here's what we have here. So you got Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: is your head coach, Arthur Smith your offensive coordinator, the

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Speaker 1: offensive staff. You got really two quarterbacks coaches. Now they

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Speaker 1: haven't an they haven't announced what Mike Sullivan's was. We

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Speaker 1: know what that's going to be, but he's still here.

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Speaker 1: There you have Arth and Sullivan are both listed as

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if Sullivan will be passing game coordinator or something.

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Speaker 1: There's often that they don't really that. Yeah, they don't

743
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Speaker 1: announce those, but that's kind of what guys do.

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00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: There's not the title, but hey, all week you're in

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Speaker 2: charge of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like their offensive line coach is typically their run

747
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: game coordinator because he has to figure out, okay, here's

748
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Speaker 1: how we're going to attack this. Of course, here's what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Uh So you got he got those,

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Speaker 1: he got as a Zannie as the wide receivers coach.

751
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Speaker 1: Eddie Faulkner still your running backs coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we've mentioned that, but there. It

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Speaker 2: sure seems like they're keeping the two replacement coordinators from

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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 1: It's like Eddie Faulkner did a bad job, That's what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like Sullivan did a bad job

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Speaker 1: play calling.

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Speaker 2: But we know how this league works. Sometimes the whole

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00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: offensive staff just gets the acts, whether they were a

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00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: great o' line coach or running back coach or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Just you know.

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Speaker 2: But I'm I'm glad that they have that foundation coming back.

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Speaker 1: You get Pat Meyer coming back as your offensive line coach,

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Speaker 1: job Alfredo Roberts is still your tight ends coach. Then

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Speaker 1: you have Isaac Isaac Williams who was the assistant offensive

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Speaker 1: line coach. He just coach Senior Bowl. And then your

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Speaker 1: offensive assistant is Matteo Cambowie.

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Speaker 2: So it's about a slightly under fifty percent change to

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Speaker 2: the offensive stat there's some. Yeah, the coordinator, which was a.

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Speaker 1: Big one defensively, Karrol Austin returns as your defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Grady Brown's a secondary coach. You got Aaron Curry at

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Speaker 1: inside linebackers, Carl Dunbar is your defensive line coach. Outside

773
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Speaker 1: linebackers coach is Denzel Martin, and the defensive quality control

774
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Speaker 1: coach who's basically the offensive assistant is Jason Brooks. And

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Speaker 1: then Danny Smith is still there as your team best

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Speaker 1: teams coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so only offensive changes, right, I mean they're pretty

778
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Speaker 2: much yeah, and so not a lot of shocks. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. I'm excited to sort of get

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Speaker 2: get to be around them mini camps and things of

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Speaker 2: that nature, and certainly camp and see what their personalities

782
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: are like or how people are talking about these different

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Speaker 2: assistant coaches, you know. But I think changes were needed

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Speaker 2: on offense and hopefully pay off.

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Speaker 1: So I was I was writing my position reviews, So

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Speaker 1: I was writing one up this morning, and how about

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Speaker 1: this little staf that I dug out? So people said,

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Speaker 1: oh this, you know that the uh Falcons didn't use.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts last year had ninety targets.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: I also think Pitch was fighting an injury much of

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Speaker 2: the year. But let's not let the Johnny Smith had

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Speaker 2: seventy targets. They had one hundred and sixty targets between

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Speaker 2: just those top two tight ends. Yeah, and they had.

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Speaker 1: Twelve more with the other guys. They are one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy two targets for their for their tight ends.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit target targets. Is Steelers

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Speaker 1: tight ends had last year? I bet what would you guess?

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Speaker 1: It was more than that. They had ninety three.

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Speaker 2: I knew Washington had like two. They had had ninety

802
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Speaker 2: yet being dumb, okay, yeah, because Friar Muth was heard

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Speaker 2: and I was thinking, Okay.

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Speaker 1: The year before that, Friar Muth himself had ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like double, right, I mean, it's basically

806
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: like double. Johnny Smith's a really good receiver. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like people think of him. Why would you ever.

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Speaker 1: Pitts and Johnny Smith both had more than fifty catches each.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, their weapons, Yeah, their weapons, and I think Pitt's's

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Speaker 2: best days are to come. What he didn't have is

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Speaker 2: a tight end that can block at all. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: know those guys are blockers, are close to the Washington level.

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Speaker 2: Friar move might be better brought.

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Speaker 1: That's why they had uh what's his face? The former Titan,

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Speaker 1: Michael Michael Prewitt. Yeah, yeah, he's not even a great

816
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: blocker either. I mean, that's why he's there. But he's

817
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Speaker 1: not as good as like a Washington or a Gentry

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00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: because an inline guy, he's more move It's like a

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Speaker 1: bigger Hayward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, block on the move type of guy. So this

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Speaker 2: tight end room is different. I bet they don't get

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Speaker 2: to that number of tard.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, because we talked about before. The Falcons didn't

824
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Speaker 1: have that kind of They didn't have the kind of

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00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: receivers that the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Do because then, of course targets are going not somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: But wow, I wouldn't not have thought that. And again,

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Speaker 2: a lot of this is so fantasy oriented. Why would

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Speaker 2: you throw the ball to the pits or why would

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Speaker 2: you throw the Smith when Pitts is out there? Because

831
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Speaker 2: Smith's good too, right there, because he's open. Yeah, he's open.

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Speaker 1: So there were seven individual tight ends in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three that had more targets than the Steelers tight ends

834
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Speaker 1: had as a group. Wow, you had Evan ingerm at

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Speaker 1: won forty three, TJ. Hawkinson at one twenty seven, David

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Speaker 1: and Joko at one twenty three, Travis Kelcey at one

837
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Speaker 1: twenty one, Sam Laporta had one twenty, Train McBride had

838
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Speaker 1: one oh six, and Jake Ferguson had one o two.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I bet that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: That will not be the case next year. It's just

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00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: they weren't used enough.

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00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: No, we talked about this before we even mentioned Arthur

843
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: Smith's name. That new coordinator is going to be. You know,

844
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: the things we were looking for were Pickett and or

845
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Speaker 2: get the quarterbacks as comfortable and as you know, productive

846
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: as possible, of course, but then fire moves might be

847
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: like next on the list in terms of like personnel usage,

848
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Like this guy's not running a diverse routtre's not getting

849
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: enough attention that if you to take the Bengals game out,

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: it's remarkably low preduption. I mean, and you know the

851
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: playoff game was good too, but he's had like two

852
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: games with over fifty yards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's too good. For that. In twenty twenty two,

854
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: he averaged six points one targets per game.

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00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: That's about Wheredy's big Yeah.

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: This past season it was five point two.

857
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: They were a lot different.

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Speaker 1: And if you but it wasn't If you look at

859
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: his average depth of target, it was seven point five

860
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two it's six point six this past season.

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Speaker 1: The same thing happened with Hayward. Hayward's depth of target

862
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: was eight point four last year. This season it was

863
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: four point four.

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Speaker 2: I completely different, completely different, and I don't have it

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Speaker 2: in front of me, but Washington was like one yard downfield. Yeah,

866
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Speaker 2: I mean like his depth of target's crazy low.

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Speaker 1: And Gentry had twenty three targets last year, Yeah, Hayward had.

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00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, he had more targets than Hayward. He was

869
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: on the field more than Hayward.

870
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: You'd like to Washington to get to that Gentry level

871
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: at least. I mean, I don't think he's ever going

872
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: to catch fifty balls, but I mean if you get

873
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: twenty five to be a weapon, yeah, I mean, at

874
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: least be a threat out there. But you know, two

875
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: years ag Hayward can get downfield.

876
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: They had, you know, they had one hundred and thirty

877
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: targets between their their three tight ends and it was useful. Yeah.

878
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean is a good player. I mean I

879
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: don't know that he's a stretch to the field like

880
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: Pitts ever, but we know he can get downfield and

881
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: he can split the scene.

882
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at those he is he he's

883
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: as good as Jake Ferguson. Oh yeah, he's you know,

884
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: Trey McBride, you know.

885
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: I mean he's not much different than the Joku either.

886
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's he's you know, he's Evan

887
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: Ingram's a different style of player. Is he that different

888
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: from t J. Hawkinson? No?

889
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those are good role models for him

890
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: to be used as you know, maybe he doesn't quite

891
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: get to the Hawkinson level of production. Okay, well that's

892
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: the top three type of guy, you know, but if

893
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: he should be top ten every year, right, Yeah, I

894
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: think that's a priority. Do you think there any Do

895
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: you think they're happy with that room or do you

896
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: think they want to find a Kyle Pitts.

897
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, don't You're not going to find that?

898
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess that's.

899
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, right, I could see maybe saying, you know what,

900
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: we want Hayward to be a full time fullback, so

901
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: let's bring in another guy. I don't know that Rodney

902
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: Williams is.

903
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: I say, he's not bad, right, I know, he's really

904
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: good on special teams, really good. He's going to be

905
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: in the mix to make the roster. Yeah, he played

906
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: he season. I liked him camp, he didn't see us.

907
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: He was on the practice squad until Friarmuth got hurt

908
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: in week four. So from week five on he played.

909
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: We played one hundred and eighty nine special team snaps. Yeah,

910
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: from week five on, and he had six special teams tackles,

911
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: including one that saved a touchdown that ended up saving

912
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: the game for him because against the Ravens because Porter

913
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: had the interception right after that and that was a

914
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: pure hustle play.

915
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Yep, all those things add up to this because I

916
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: was looking at it too, like he ended up like

917
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: third or fourth baby and special team snaps on the

918
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: team without even playing the first month. Yeah, and second

919
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: or third and special teams tackles without playing the first month.

920
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: He's good.

921
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to talk to Danny Smith about it,

922
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: like he loves one of your best. Yeahs, I bet

923
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: he's gonna say yes.

924
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: He loved right. He's just a you know, those are

925
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: the kind of players you need at the bottom of

926
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: your roster. Now the next step is incorporating him into

927
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: the offense a little bit more. He liked him and

928
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: I mean every day in training camp.

929
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: He might get too good on offense. You have to

930
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: pull him off special team.

931
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen.

932
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: I could, yeah, I asked a reference, but no, but

933
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: he's not a nobody.

934
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: He did good stuff in training camp last year.

935
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I was happy that he was part of the team

936
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: whenever the camp broke and he got a chance and

937
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: he was good. And he's not He doesn't look like Washington,

938
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: but he blocks with great effort.

939
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: He came from a run first offense in college, like

940
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: where they ran the ball for like three hundred yards

941
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: a game.

942
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: I like the tight end room. I thought, that's a

943
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: room you don't touch pretty much no matter what.

944
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: But you need to use it differently.

945
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: You got to use it differently, and you do have

946
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: a I didn't see that was before this coordinator higher

947
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: maybe he you know, you're going to see more twelve

948
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: and more thirteen no matter what. So might they keep

949
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: four or five I don't know, you know, or if

950
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: Hayward's a fullback, they keep four others. Yeah, So I

951
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: don't know.

952
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: That'll be something to keep an eye on here. But

953
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: the coaching staff is pretty set. They still some assistance

954
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: and things of that nature that that they to fill.

955
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: Some of those control guys.

956
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of stuff. But it's the bottom of

957
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 1: the it's the more introductory jobs. Yeah, yeah, the skull,

958
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: the entry there. Yeah, of course, so good stuff. Yeah,

959
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: as we get into it, learn more about the new hires. Absolutely, absolutely,

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00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: let's get to another break. That's going to do it

961
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Speaker 1: for our number one of the drive here on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number two right

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