1
00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,440
Speaker 1: Every day a week.

2
00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:04,960
Speaker 2: Click yours up the Breakfast Club.

3
00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,720
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning show.

4
00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,480
Speaker 2: To Breakfast Club. Charlamagne the God DJ Envy just hilarious.

5
00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,920
Speaker 3: Envy's not here today, but Lauren Le Rossa is and

6
00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,440
Speaker 3: we have an amazing guest in the building today.

7
00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:16,680
Speaker 2: Man.

8
00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting when we talk about, you know,

9
00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,639
Speaker 3: black history, as if it's the thing of the past, like,

10
00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,520
Speaker 3: you know, as if we don't have living legends and

11
00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,639
Speaker 3: icons and people who you know, actually we're there for

12
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,440
Speaker 3: the things that we talk about.

13
00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,280
Speaker 2: Mister Andrew Young is here. Good morning, sir.

14
00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,960
Speaker 4: Good morning. I'm really glad to be here with you. Yes, sir,

15
00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,959
Speaker 4: I'm long overdue, man, what are you telling I mean,

16
00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,800
Speaker 4: I need to know where you are, Yes, sir, and

17
00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,879
Speaker 4: I'm I'm out of the sink. A look at the

18
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,600
Speaker 4: book and be honest or di lige and I probably

19
00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,560
Speaker 4: you know I need to read that quickly.

20
00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:52,919
Speaker 2: Yes.

21
00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,400
Speaker 3: John O'Brien is here as well, John Hope Ryan, Good

22
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,959
Speaker 3: morning morning. Mister Andrew Young had a new documentary i'll

23
00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,480
Speaker 3: called The Dirty Work. It comes out on this Friday,

24
00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,360
Speaker 3: ten seventeen. Why was it important for you to tell

25
00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,600
Speaker 3: this part of your story.

26
00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:19,360
Speaker 4: Now, well, I'm telling my story, and we see the

27
00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,959
Speaker 4: glamor of the civil rights movement, and it was very glamorous.

28
00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,320
Speaker 4: But for every one or two you see on television,

29
00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,319
Speaker 4: there were five hundred to one thousand of us in

30
00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 4: the background doing the dirty work. And it's the way

31
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,959
Speaker 4: I got into it. I was actually up here in

32
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:45,959
Speaker 4: New York in nineteen fifty seven fifty eight and doctor

33
00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,280
Speaker 4: King needed somebody to move with him to Atlanta. My

34
00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,120
Speaker 4: wife was from Marrying, Alabama, which was a little country

35
00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:02,560
Speaker 4: town near Selma, and we saw the ms Man. It

36
00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:12,280
Speaker 4: was a NBC documentary on John Lewis in the Nashville

37
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,400
Speaker 4: citing story. We just bought a house out in Queen's

38
00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,640
Speaker 4: and I was working up at the National Council of Churches,

39
00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,040
Speaker 4: And when the documentary came home, my wife said it's

40
00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,280
Speaker 4: time for us to go home. I said, we are home.

41
00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,440
Speaker 4: She said, no, this is New York. New York can have.

42
00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,800
Speaker 4: We'll be my home. And I said, well, we just

43
00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,919
Speaker 4: bought this house and we got a good job. She said, yeah,

44
00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,960
Speaker 4: and I hope you'll deal with that. I said, well,

45
00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 4: what are you going to do? She said, I'm going

46
00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,800
Speaker 4: back to my mama in Alabama and I'm taking my

47
00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,320
Speaker 4: children and I said, well, what do you want me

48
00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,960
Speaker 4: to do? She said, I want you to sell this

49
00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:55,920
Speaker 4: house and find a job down south. And she was

50
00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,239
Speaker 4: the blessing in New York, though, was that she got

51
00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,000
Speaker 4: a chance to go Queen's College for eighteen dollars a

52
00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,560
Speaker 4: semester and get a master's degree. And that's what supported

53
00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:13,040
Speaker 4: us in those early days. But it's it was the

54
00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:20,560
Speaker 4: attraction of going back south that got me back in

55
00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,679
Speaker 4: the movement. And it was in that transition Martin Luther

56
00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,240
Speaker 4: King had just been stabbed and he took New York.

57
00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,120
Speaker 4: In New York, he took a month off to go

58
00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,520
Speaker 4: to India and was just coming back and planning to

59
00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:43,480
Speaker 4: move from Montgomery to Atlanta. So I ended up getting

60
00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,240
Speaker 4: pulled in to try to help him move. And that

61
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,160
Speaker 4: was that was the dirty work. He needed to be

62
00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,720
Speaker 4: in a bigger city than Montgomery, and but he couldn't

63
00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,160
Speaker 4: afford to live in Atlanta except with his parents, and

64
00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,760
Speaker 4: so he was trying to raise funds. And that's another story.

65
00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,040
Speaker 1: But no, no, that's this story. But that he never

66
00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,920
Speaker 1: he keeps avoiding his own He.

67
00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,360
Speaker 4: Never had he never had a million dollars a year

68
00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,640
Speaker 4: to work with the entire time we had the movement going,

69
00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,719
Speaker 4: and so I was trying to help him raise some

70
00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 4: funds and went to my church up here, the United

71
00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,119
Speaker 4: Church of Christ, and asked them. They founded a number

72
00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:33,480
Speaker 4: of colleges, Howard and Fisk, Talladega to Galoo, all across

73
00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,800
Speaker 4: the south, and so I said, you know, if you

74
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,960
Speaker 4: would let us use some of these properties or some

75
00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,280
Speaker 4: of them, we could have a movement southwide in a

76
00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,719
Speaker 4: little of no time. And so I was sort of

77
00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,040
Speaker 4: being a bridge between him making the transition to Montgomery

78
00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,840
Speaker 4: and comeing to Atlanta. I was then moved from Atlanta

79
00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,920
Speaker 4: back to I mean from New York back to Atlanta.

80
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920
Speaker 4: And the first job I got, he was not there.

81
00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 4: His secretary said, well once, she said, my wife's in Alabama.

82
00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,520
Speaker 4: She said, you can't be hanging around here loose. He said,

83
00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,239
Speaker 4: idle miners the devil's workshop, and we got a whole

84
00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,200
Speaker 4: lot of devils. And she said you need something to do.

85
00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,560
Speaker 4: I said, well, anything I can do to help, and

86
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,800
Speaker 4: she gave me a great big egg crate packed with letters.

87
00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,240
Speaker 4: She put about one hundred letters in a package, tied

88
00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,520
Speaker 4: them up and they would there were maybe a dozen packages,

89
00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,520
Speaker 4: and so she said, if you can help doctor King

90
00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,480
Speaker 4: with his mail, Well, that's kind of dirty work, but

91
00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,160
Speaker 4: that's really if you want to get to know a company,

92
00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,000
Speaker 4: if somebody's coming in he and wants to get to

93
00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920
Speaker 4: know it, answer to mail, or at least read the mail,

94
00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,919
Speaker 4: or know what's what's happening around. And so it gave me.

95
00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I ended up with the bucket of mail,

96
00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,640
Speaker 4: and that was sort of a dirty work.

97
00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,080
Speaker 5: So you missed a couple pieces. First of all, you

98
00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,640
Speaker 5: and doctor King's wife, your wife and doctor.

99
00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:22,839
Speaker 4: My wife and Martin's wife were by coincidence, and I said,

100
00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,440
Speaker 4: coincidence of God's way of remaining anonymous. They were from

101
00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 4: the little same country town of three thousand, Marion, Alabama.

102
00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,920
Speaker 4: But there was a good school there and actually, in

103
00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,360
Speaker 4: the nineteen forties that school turned out more black PhDs

104
00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,520
Speaker 4: than any school in the nation because it had a

105
00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, I've bad people who were studious. And

106
00:06:51,880 --> 00:07:00,000
Speaker 4: Julian Bond's daddy got his PhD writing it on Lincoln

107
00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,320
Speaker 4: in School in Marion, Alabama, which is where all these

108
00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,680
Speaker 4: young people came from, and it was where the movement

109
00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,760
Speaker 4: a lot of movement. People came from there.

110
00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,480
Speaker 5: So Charlemagne when he also when he went to go

111
00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,880
Speaker 5: get the job, when he went to do it out south,

112
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,280
Speaker 5: the stabb didn't want them. Doctor King was out giving

113
00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,000
Speaker 5: speeches and on the road. The stabb didn't want them.

114
00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,120
Speaker 5: He was smart, he was articulated. He was like, all

115
00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,960
Speaker 5: the seats are taken, we all get every good. They

116
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040
Speaker 5: sent him packing, so he came back with a grant.

117
00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,120
Speaker 5: The grant was self funded and it was for non

118
00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 5: violent education or something like that, but he funded it salary.

119
00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,120
Speaker 5: So doctor King said, you consider you paid for it.

120
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,200
Speaker 5: You can sit right over here.

121
00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,800
Speaker 4: Well, we've been paid for it. We not only paid

122
00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,600
Speaker 4: for it, I brought access to all of those schools. Yes,

123
00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:58,880
Speaker 4: from in North Carolina King's Mountain, Georgia. It was Atlanta University,

124
00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:05,480
Speaker 4: Alabam Most two galu Uh Talladega, Talladega and Alabama and

125
00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,000
Speaker 4: two Glue and Mississippi.

126
00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,480
Speaker 5: But the key point of that in bass Young was again,

127
00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,760
Speaker 5: you won't take credit for this. He became the one

128
00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,240
Speaker 5: person nobody could fire, so he could speak truth to power.

129
00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,520
Speaker 4: We didn't anybody.

130
00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,960
Speaker 5: Exactly because Doctor King didn't like conflict. If you let

131
00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,360
Speaker 5: me finish my point. Yes, Doctor En didn't like conflict,

132
00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,520
Speaker 5: so he was a conflict manager. So he was the

133
00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,520
Speaker 5: one inside the staff. You had crazy people on the

134
00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,080
Speaker 5: left and crazy folks sort of over here trying to

135
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,760
Speaker 5: do revolutions. Doctor King didn't want conflict, so he would

136
00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,880
Speaker 5: expecting Bashi Young to knock his inside.

137
00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:41,000
Speaker 1: That's it.

138
00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,520
Speaker 5: And when he came in, he wanted it to be resolved.

139
00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,640
Speaker 5: And so he was the resolution manager inside the movement

140
00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,520
Speaker 5: and outside the movement. Again, he doesn't take credit for it,

141
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,120
Speaker 5: but that that really became one of his magic pieces

142
00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,240
Speaker 5: was that he was an independent thinker, just like you are.

143
00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,560
Speaker 5: Just like all you guys are independent thinkers. They get there, right.

144
00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,080
Speaker 4: I guess.

145
00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:04,560
Speaker 1: You know.

146
00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,720
Speaker 4: The thing is that that the one thing you I

147
00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,080
Speaker 4: couldn't do. I couldn't move in there. I grew up

148
00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:11,840
Speaker 4: in New Orleans.

149
00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:12,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

150
00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,080
Speaker 4: I'd lived in the South all my life. But I

151
00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,439
Speaker 4: was up here in New York when the movement started,

152
00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,640
Speaker 4: So I couldn't come back down there and claim and

153
00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,080
Speaker 4: I hadn't done anything. Everybody had been beating up gone

154
00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,960
Speaker 4: to jail. Uh and I come down with a grant.

155
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,960
Speaker 4: Well that's no, I mean, that gives me no scoring

156
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000
Speaker 4: points at all, but I and I didn't need them.

157
00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,640
Speaker 4: I just wanted to be there to help because well,

158
00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,360
Speaker 4: I don't know. I left Howard and I really well,

159
00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,079
Speaker 4: I really fucked up for three and a half years.

160
00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,920
Speaker 4: See but I somehow got a degree, and he was

161
00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,720
Speaker 4: fucking up because I was playing around, wasn't studying. I

162
00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,559
Speaker 4: was trying to make the swimming team, trying to make

163
00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,959
Speaker 4: the track team, even tried the wrestling team, and trying

164
00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,600
Speaker 4: to play ball, basketball in the gym, and I was

165
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,400
Speaker 4: I went to college at fifteen, and so I was

166
00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,280
Speaker 4: trying to hit on the girls and I wasn't making

167
00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:24,360
Speaker 4: any brogras at all. You know, a little nigga from

168
00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:31,679
Speaker 4: New Orleans, and I got along with people, but I

169
00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,120
Speaker 4: was trying to grow up. And when I came left

170
00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:41,079
Speaker 4: Howard and we stopped that you couldn't had no hotels

171
00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,599
Speaker 4: at let you stay. We stopped at King's Mountain, North Carolina,

172
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,840
Speaker 4: where we had a church conference going on, and I

173
00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000
Speaker 4: decided to run up the mountain and that was where

174
00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,800
Speaker 4: I was in good shape. But when you're in the hills,

175
00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,679
Speaker 4: you never run flat, either running downhill or uphill. And

176
00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,320
Speaker 4: I was running downhill too fast and still tried to

177
00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 4: make it to the top of the mountain, and somewhere

178
00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,440
Speaker 4: along there I kind of blacked out and I looked

179
00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,640
Speaker 4: around and everything seemed perfect. You know, it was a

180
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,640
Speaker 4: perfect sky, perfect corn field. The green trees were sparkling,

181
00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,720
Speaker 4: and I said, damn everything. He has got a purpose

182
00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,600
Speaker 4: but me and I said, I cannot be put here

183
00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,559
Speaker 4: on this earth with no purpose at all. And how

184
00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,160
Speaker 4: do I find a purpose? Well, what I came to

185
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,800
Speaker 4: was if there's something that I think needs doing and

186
00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,000
Speaker 4: nobody wants to do it, that becomes my purpose. So

187
00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,480
Speaker 4: I was looking for stuff that needed to be done

188
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,199
Speaker 4: that nobody wanted to do.

189
00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,360
Speaker 3: Did that okay, Jr? Being working with him, did that

190
00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,480
Speaker 3: feel like part of your purpose?

191
00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,200
Speaker 4: Well, he was the only game in town and he

192
00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,240
Speaker 4: had just finished, you know, the Montgomery Improvement Association. He

193
00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,559
Speaker 4: got stabbed of here in Harlem, and he was recovering

194
00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:20,400
Speaker 4: from He and Corretta took a trip to India to

195
00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,120
Speaker 4: study more about nonviolence, and that was sort of when

196
00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,240
Speaker 4: I came in and he wasn't around, so I started

197
00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:36,120
Speaker 4: cleaning up. But I learned that when he got to

198
00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,080
Speaker 4: be head of the Montgomery Improvement Association, he wasn't even

199
00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,719
Speaker 4: a meeting. He was back in the in the mimiograph

200
00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,280
Speaker 4: room running a Memi ray machine, turning out handbills telling

201
00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,400
Speaker 4: people that we're gonna have a one day boycott. Well

202
00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,240
Speaker 4: that one day boycott turned into three hundred and eighty

203
00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:01,679
Speaker 4: one days. But they went to the back room because

204
00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,320
Speaker 4: two preachers, Methodists and Baptists usually they were arguing about

205
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 4: whose turn it was to be the spokesman. And the

206
00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,880
Speaker 4: ladies in the group said, look, these brothers always fussing

207
00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,400
Speaker 4: than fighting, why don't we let this young man in

208
00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,800
Speaker 4: the back be the spokesman. And so they voted him

209
00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,400
Speaker 4: the spokesman. And he didn't even know it.

210
00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,319
Speaker 2: That's that's how he became like yeah, And he.

211
00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,760
Speaker 4: Went and they went to the back and told him

212
00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,760
Speaker 4: that he was going to chair the meeting. And he

213
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,400
Speaker 4: had less than an hour. It was about seven o'clock.

214
00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,520
Speaker 4: The mass meeting started at eight o'clock at another church

215
00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,760
Speaker 4: across town, and he had to stand up and to

216
00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,000
Speaker 4: find this whole movement. Well, he really was brilliant, But

217
00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,720
Speaker 4: with that kind of stuff, when you run a mimig

218
00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,400
Speaker 4: reference and all day your mind's wandering and somebody says,

219
00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,240
Speaker 4: hold up, you got twenty minutes you got to speak,

220
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,800
Speaker 4: and nothing you can do but go to the bathroom

221
00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:04,520
Speaker 4: and lock the door.

222
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,760
Speaker 2: But somebody had to know he had those gifts, right

223
00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,600
Speaker 2: like somebody had.

224
00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,080
Speaker 4: Well they had heard him preaching in his church. But

225
00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,520
Speaker 4: it wasn't a gift like running a mass movement. And

226
00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,080
Speaker 4: I mean this was the first time in a long time,

227
00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,200
Speaker 4: well the first time, and I can remember that any

228
00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,560
Speaker 4: city got together and did an agreed that everybody would

229
00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,520
Speaker 4: stop riding the bus. Started out for one day, but

230
00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,840
Speaker 4: it was so successful that it ended up being three

231
00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,120
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty one days.

232
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,920
Speaker 5: That was an early uber, by the way, because there

233
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,280
Speaker 5: was a black taxis everybody just decided to drive everybody

234
00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,880
Speaker 5: else around and not get on the bus. But the

235
00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,840
Speaker 5: thing he the message for your audience, Charlomagne, is when

236
00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,040
Speaker 5: he's running up that mountain, he was insecure, he was lost,

237
00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,840
Speaker 5: and he was looking for a purpose. A lot of

238
00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,520
Speaker 5: people are looking for a purpose, doctor, he was looking

239
00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,680
Speaker 5: for a purpose. He was back in the mimeogram machine,

240
00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 5: tried to figure out what his life was going to

241
00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,240
Speaker 5: be like. And he'd spend eighteen hours preparing for a sermon.

242
00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,560
Speaker 5: He had eighteen minutes that when his moment came that

243
00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,720
Speaker 5: you're on and a half an hour dude.

244
00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,080
Speaker 4: But you know, and the speeches that that speech, his

245
00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440
Speaker 4: wife was pregnant so she couldn't be there. She asked

246
00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,360
Speaker 4: a choir director to record it, so we have it recorded,

247
00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,960
Speaker 4: and what you see is all of the you see

248
00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,080
Speaker 4: references to all of the speeches he made when he

249
00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,200
Speaker 4: got the Nobel Peace Prize when he was at the

250
00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,200
Speaker 4: marjar on Wardington in Selma. I mean, he had a

251
00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,960
Speaker 4: repertoire and he just pulled it all together, and he

252
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,880
Speaker 4: had a nice voice and a nice cadence, and he

253
00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,880
Speaker 4: knew how to move across. So he put all of

254
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,520
Speaker 4: the stuff together and priested his way to the top.

255
00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,960
Speaker 3: It's such an interesting perspective when you talk about, you know,

256
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,640
Speaker 3: purpose to John, because in my mind, you know, I

257
00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,600
Speaker 3: always thought the purpose was the liberation of black people.

258
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 3: But you're always just looking for something, a purpose within yourself.

259
00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:20,160
Speaker 4: Well, except you've got to start liberating black people by

260
00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,960
Speaker 4: liberating the one you are. And I'm not liberated. I'm

261
00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm I'm enslaved all of the crap that that goes

262
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,200
Speaker 4: on on every college campus and and in every neighborhood

263
00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,080
Speaker 4: and uh.

264
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,480
Speaker 5: So let's let's let's get some into some real talk.

265
00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,640
Speaker 5: He's got survivor's guilt. He doesn't sleep, he's always working

266
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,800
Speaker 5: because he was on that balcony when Doctor King was assassinated,

267
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 5: and and uh, he was right.

268
00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,720
Speaker 4: There before that. Though we're all born into a mess.

269
00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,800
Speaker 4: I mean I was born into a neighborhood, well my brother,

270
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,000
Speaker 4: with only black kids. There were three four black families.

271
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,240
Speaker 4: But you had an Irish grocery store on one corner,

272
00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,639
Speaker 4: an Italian bar on the next. The Nazi party was

273
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,560
Speaker 4: on the third corner. And I'm smack dad in the middle,

274
00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,879
Speaker 4: fifty yards from each one of them. And at four years.

275
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,679
Speaker 1: Old, that's you. Yeah, that's you.

276
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:21,880
Speaker 2: I gotta be your ful.

277
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, Governor turn it off for you.

278
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,159
Speaker 4: I don't know.

279
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,480
Speaker 5: So so when he when Doctor King was assassinated, the

280
00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,800
Speaker 5: FBI told him the instructions for the shooter. If you missed,

281
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,560
Speaker 5: the dreamer killed the strategist.

282
00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:41,800
Speaker 2: M hmm.

283
00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:48,760
Speaker 5: So he's been this all this time. You an ambassador,

284
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,520
Speaker 5: first black un ambassador of history the United States at

285
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,480
Speaker 5: the Carter, first congressman since reconstruction in the South brought

286
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,400
Speaker 5: the Atlantic, the Olympics to the Atlanta, made Atlanta International

287
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,159
Speaker 5: City Presidential Medal of Freedma Wardie French FOREI Legion of

288
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 5: Wardie one hundred and fifty on ear doctor degrees, brought

289
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,560
Speaker 5: a venture Capital of Africa, liberated Zimbabwe, helped get Mandela

290
00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:12,080
Speaker 5: out of prison.

291
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,960
Speaker 1: But underneath all this.

292
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:20,040
Speaker 5: Is I'm here because my friend was a shot, so

293
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,600
Speaker 5: he couldn't enjoy any of it.

294
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,200
Speaker 1: He give all his money away.

295
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,919
Speaker 5: He's been a servant his whole life, and he is

296
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,080
Speaker 5: He's the closest thing we have to Nelson Mandela.

297
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,919
Speaker 4: But he he had to stay in jail for three

298
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,639
Speaker 4: to thirty thirty years. Yes, I have, and that was

299
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,920
Speaker 4: one of the things I was guilty about. Everybody else

300
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,240
Speaker 4: has been been to jail, and.

301
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,480
Speaker 1: They called him and uncle Tom, and the staff called

302
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,200
Speaker 1: him uncle Tom.

303
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 4: Because I was managing the foundation money, I couldn't. I

304
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 4: wasn't supposed to go to jail, and so until I

305
00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 4: got set up in Saint Augustine, well really even in Savannah,

306
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 4: and I ended up first time getting arrested because I

307
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 4: was walking to try to get jse Williams out of

308
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 4: jail and there were kids playing picketty in front of

309
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 4: the Holiday Inn. I mean, they were twelve years old,

310
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,239
Speaker 4: and the police come up there to wrest them, and

311
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 4: I went on and I said, look, these kids are

312
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 4: not part of anybody's movement. We wouldn't put people out

313
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 4: here like this with no adults. I said, if you

314
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 4: arrest these kids, you ask them for trouble. And they

315
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 4: grabbed me and threw me in the paddy wagon. But

316
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 4: I was glad I went because they immediately shut the

317
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 4: thing down and you got a little slitland. It was

318
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 4: at least close to one hundred degrees in Savannah, and

319
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 4: they closed the air off and I got, you know,

320
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty kids in there, and they expected us to start,

321
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 4: you know, crying and screaming because we were We were

322
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 4: really closed in and hot. And that's where I go in.

323
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 4: The Sunday School helped me, and I said, look y'all,

324
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 4: y'all know how to sing. Wade in the water. We

325
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 4: going to the beach. Close eyes see, and I said,

326
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 4: and I said, we're going down to Tybee Beach. And

327
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 4: when you get to the beach, the water's cold, and

328
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 4: we're gonna get and the song goes the chills the body,

329
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 4: but not the soul. And so we started then walking

330
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 4: like they were in their mind walking into the water.

331
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 4: I said, we all not going to pash waist deep.

332
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 4: Then everybody's gonna get down and we're gonna cool off.

333
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 4: And so when we kind of figured out how to

334
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 4: stay in the oven and i'd burn, I said, let's

335
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 4: we're gonna sing, and they started singing, wade in the water,

336
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 4: God's going to trouble the water. See, and we turned

337
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 4: tragedy into a triumph. The police got mad and took

338
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 4: everybody to jail, and I had to go with him.

339
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 4: But then when we got to jail, it was dinner

340
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 4: time and they gave everybody a paper plate and they

341
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 4: put up grits and Greece. That's what they served them.

342
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 4: And the kids said, we don't eat this ship, and

343
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: they started sailing the plates across the jail. And I mean,

344
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 4: it was it was a while time. But there again,

345
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 4: that's I accidentally got into that. When you when you

346
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 4: but that was the dirty work.

347
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: When you look back, was there a moment when you

348
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: realize the moral weight of what you were doing could

349
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: also cost you personally.

350
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: I think I never worried about that, and I never

351
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: worried about that because I never been. I mean the

352
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 4: school I went to in the elementary school, Belina C.

353
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 4: Jones was an all black public school, overcrowded, and I

354
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 4: could have gotten killed that in school, I mean it

355
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: was it was called a bucket of blood. But I

356
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 4: got along. And then between that in my schooling and

357
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 4: then I went to a church nursery and they taught

358
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: me to read and write. So when they put me

359
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 4: in public school, I was six years old, but they

360
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: put me in third grade and everybody else was nine ten,

361
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: and so I've always had a burden which I learned

362
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: to deal with and not you know, but I was

363
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 4: always playing ketchup?

364
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: Why did the staff call you that supposedly unpleasant phrase,

365
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 5: which actually, when you're doing a little research on Uncle Tom,

366
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 5: he was a bad brother. Actually he actually he actually

367
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 5: took slaves up north to Canada. He bought a home,

368
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 5: bought some property in Canada and actually housed them and

369
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: created self sustainability. Other folks turned the story in doing

370
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 5: something negative. But why do they call you some of

371
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 5: the staff uncle Tom?

372
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: Because my daddy taught me to live in that neighborhood

373
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 4: and to go to that school, I had to stay

374
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: calm and my dad is macho. He was a little

375
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: man five to four, and he said, look, you're never

376
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 4: gonna be big enough to beat up anybody, so stay

377
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: calm and let your mind lead you. Your mind is

378
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: fat is more powerful than your fists or your feet.

379
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: You can run from trouble, but you won't feel good

380
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: about running. And you can fight, but you're probably gonna

381
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 4: get beat But if you let your mind work, you

382
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: can figure out how to get through any trouble. But

383
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 4: don't ever get mad. Get smart. See and I heard

384
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: that from four. In fact, he took me to the movie,

385
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: a segregated movie, to see Jesse Owens in the nineteen

386
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: thirty six Olympics, because when Jesse Owens won one hundred

387
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: meter dash, Hitler got mad and he was supposed to

388
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: give Jesse Owens the medal, but he walked out of

389
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: the stadium and took all of his troops with him.

390
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 4: My daddy said, and I watched jessid what's he doing.

391
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: I said, He's going about his business. He said, that's

392
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 4: the point. He's not letting Hitler at him upset. He

393
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: got three more medals to win, and he ended up

394
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: coming out with four gold medals and a world a

395
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: couple of world records, and so it was it was

396
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: that preparation that that made me ready to do whatever

397
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 4: I had to do.

398
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 5: So they didn't understand his role. Doctor King never wanted

399
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 5: him arrested. Doctor King, he needed him on the outside.

400
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 5: He didn't want it was he was not useful getting

401
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 5: locked up like other people. He needed it was. It

402
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 5: was a different frequency. And he's not saying it, but

403
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 5: he was a strategist.

404
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I think that's the interesting thing about

405
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: the doc right like it shows you that the civil

406
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: rights movement wasn't just about marching, and you said this,

407
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 3: it was about strategy.

408
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: So what other dirty work had to be done quietly

409
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: for the in private, for the public victory to be probable.

410
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: Well, you know they bombed. They bombed sixty two homes

411
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: in Birmingham in nineteen sixty one sixty two, and Fred

412
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: Shuttlesworth came over there to see us and said, look,

413
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 4: we cannot be passively don violent. We got to find

414
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: a way to be more aggressive and we need you

415
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 4: to come over and help us. So we agreed before

416
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 4: Christmas that we would in January we would come over

417
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 4: to Birmingham and start a movement, and Doctor King turned

418
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: to me and said, Andy, do you know any white

419
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: folks in Birmingham. I said, I don't know any black

420
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: folks in Birmingham. I ain't been to Birmingham. And he said, no, well,

421
00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 4: you got six weeks to get to know some. I

422
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: said why. He said, Look, if we're going to go

423
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: there and tab the people's town, somebody has to go

424
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 4: in early and tell them we're going to do it.

425
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: I said, then they're gonna kill me. I didn't say that.

426
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: I said, well why me? He said, because you grew

427
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: up with white folks. You ain't worried about white folks.

428
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: You get along with as good you get along with people.

429
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 4: And so I ended up by myself said going into Birmingham.

430
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: And I had met some people in Michigan at a

431
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 4: conference from Birmingham. So I called the Episcopal Church and

432
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: then one of the people I met answered the phone

433
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: and I said, I need you to help set me

434
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: set up a meeting with Doctor King and the Episcopal Bishop.

435
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 4: And she said, well, I can't do that. She said,

436
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: I don't know Doctor King, and he's got to He said,

437
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: I tell you what she said, You come here and

438
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: I'll get you to see the bishop. So then I

439
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: had to go see the bishop and explain to him

440
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 4: that we're about to move fifty more black folks into

441
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: your already ninety thousand people, and we intend to tear

442
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: up your town. We intend to boycott. We're not going

443
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 4: to buy anything but food and medicine, you know. And

444
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: but we want to find a way to sit down

445
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: with you and draw up a map where we can

446
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: peacefully live together and you can respect us and we

447
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 4: can respect you, and everybody can get along.

448
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: Well.

449
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: I mean he's looking at me like I'm crazy, because

450
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: he ain't used to black folk talking straight to him

451
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: like that. But I mean that was no problem for me.

452
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: And so we set up a series of meetings and

453
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: all the stuff that they're talking about at Harvard, now,

454
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: what is it, DEEI yeah, that came from Birmingham because

455
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: at the same time White Walker, who was pastor up

456
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: here for a while, he's gone to Glory. He was

457
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: meeting with the Fred Shuttlesworth and the black preachers and

458
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: they wrote a Birmingham manifesto all the things that were

459
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: wrong with Birmingham. And I was meeting with the white

460
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: folks and they were writing all the things they could

461
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: do to change that. You had to sit down and

462
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: put it to them bluntly, say, look, you got black

463
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: water and whitewater. Now you know that's not real. There's

464
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: no difference between the water. Why you got to put

465
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: a sign on it saying this one was for black

466
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 4: folk and that one was for white folks. It's all water.

467
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: Take the signs down. See if you don't take the

468
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: signs down. And then you got these black women, and

469
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: you got them in aprons and smocks, and you let

470
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: the white women dress up with the clothes they're selling

471
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: and they get a commission, but the black folks have

472
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: to do all the work keeping the shop clean and

473
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: keeping the clothes. Said why not just let everybody wear

474
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: their dresses on the rack and let everybody get a commission.

475
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: And they said, well, we could, but then they'd have

476
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: a thousand reasons why they couldn't do it. But we

477
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: had ninety thousand black folks in Birmingham. And when ninety

478
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: thousand black folks decided that they were going to stop

479
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: spending money on anything but food and medicine, they bought

480
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: no shoes. No. I mean, that's where the blue jeans

481
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: came from everybody had raggedy blue jeans, and so nobody

482
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: bought any clothes. And that's when the college students who

483
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: had come down with us from all over the country,

484
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: they went back and started wearing blue jeans. Well, that

485
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: came out of Birmingham. The stuff that the preachers and

486
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: workers wrote down in the Birmingham Manifesto, the things they wanted,

487
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: and the things that the white folk wrote down about

488
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: what they could do to answer this, all of that

489
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: became public. But they blamed it on Martin Luther King.

490
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: And he was in jail, so he wrote the letter

491
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: from the Birmingham jail. And he didn't have any paper,

492
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: so he wrote it around the march. Somebody had left him. Well,

493
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: lawyer up here from New York left him a section

494
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: of New York Times, and he wrote the letter from

495
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: the Birmingham jail around the margins of the newspaper. When

496
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: he ran out of newspaper space, he wrote on toilet paper.

497
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: And he used to joke and said, is a good thing.

498
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: They had tough toilet paper in the Birmingham jail.

499
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: But he smuggled it out through you.

500
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: But he smuggled it out and we got it. We

501
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: got all of these published and and that was the

502
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 4: dirty work behind the movement.

503
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: And I need you to do me a favor. You're

504
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: talking to a whole generation. This is the voice for

505
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: this generation. Your your habit is to talk about this

506
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: person and that person and give this person credit. Look,

507
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: they need you to tell your story crisply and bluntly

508
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: so they can get the memo on how they need.

509
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: This generation has no business plan about what you did.

510
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: What you did was absolutely historic. This is no time

511
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 5: to be humble. There's no type of humble pie like

512
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 5: I'll do it. I'll set you up, but you got

513
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 5: to hit it out the park. There's some stories I know.

514
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: I know these stories.

515
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: We want them to watch the dirty work too.

516
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 5: Yep.

517
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

518
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 6: But like the work that you did with the boycott

519
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 6: and everybody plays a role in the movement is what

520
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 6: I've always heard and learned. I feel like today when

521
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 6: we talk about the boycotts, that that we're trying to

522
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 6: do actively. There's no real roles. We don't take one

523
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 6: thing serious. We might take the other one serious because

524
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 6: there's no there's no structure, there's no how did you

525
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 6: get people to fall along?

526
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 7: Even though not everybody a grew with.

527
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: Everybody used to go to church back then, and radio

528
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: black radio wouldn't let it, wouldn't wouldn't say anything about

529
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: Black radio was owned by white folks, and they would

530
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: play the music, but we'd have to slip in an

531
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: announcement there's going to be a certain meeting that you know,

532
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: such and such a Baptist church, or such and such

533
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: a Methodist church. And they finally even stopped them from

534
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: from doing announcements. So it went by word of mouth.

535
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: We knew that every night we'd have a mass meeting

536
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: at some church in some neighborhood and people would get

537
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: together about five o'clock and nothing to do, and they

538
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: sing these old songs that the young folk then came

539
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 4: in and modified the freedom songs. And then the preachers

540
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 4: would come in and preach a little bit and tell

541
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: what's going on. But it was all around the church,

542
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 4: and in the daytime when the churches were not operating,

543
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: the kids went to the schools, and the guys who

544
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: were hanging out at the pool hall, we'd stopped by. They.

545
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: In fact, doctor King was very good pool played, grew

546
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: up in the YMCA, and he could get everybody's attention

547
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: because He would go into a pool hall and challenge

548
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: the guys that can I take the winner, And after

549
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: they saw he was he could run the table, they

550
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: listened to him. And it it was finding a way

551
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: to get to people where they are. And it didn't

552
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: matter what they looked like. It didn't matter what the

553
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: clothes were, it didn't matter anything except that I'm ready. Well,

554
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 4: they would really say, I'm ready to die for my people.

555
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: And it was the threat of death to almost every

556
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 4: black man in the South until just recently. And it's

557
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 4: coming back now. It's more organized now. But we had

558
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: to mobilize the entire community. But in mobilizing the entire

559
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: community of Birmingham, that's ninety thousand black folks. We brought

560
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: people from Atlanta. I came from New Orleans. Some others

561
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: came down from members. Some came from New York. The

562
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: hospital Workers eleven ninety nine was here in New York.

563
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: They would come down and they would work with the

564
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: hospital workers, and we found a way to mobilize the

565
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: whole city to one stop buying anything but food and medicine.

566
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: And you do that for six weeks and then six months,

567
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: and the economy drives up and closed. People have to

568
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: start closing stores. Then we finally ended up with eighty businessmen,

569
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: people who owned the hotels, people who owned the drug stores,

570
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: the shopping centers, sitting down with us, and they got

571
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 4: these two complaints together and agreed on the fact that

572
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: they could change. But they didn't say, we're automatically gonna

573
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 4: change everything today. We said, let's try it. Okay, we're

574
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: gonna take down the signs immediately, live on black and

575
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: white water. Everybody's gonna drink water, and okay, that's a

576
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: good sign. We're gonna let the ladies and in the

577
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: women's department, we're gonna let them take all those smocks,

578
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: uh and aprons, and we're gonna let them put on

579
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: the clothes that they sell it see, and they can

580
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: get a commission too, and we're gonna treat them fairly.

581
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: And we took apart the town piece by piece, and

582
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: everything that was not fair. We said, from now on,

583
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: let's make it fair. And people began to realize that

584
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 4: when ninety thousand people haven't been shopping and all of

585
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: a sudden they start showing up, like you go to

586
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: Atlanta now and all of these stores now, the same

587
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: thing happened there. We didn't have to organize it like

588
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 4: they did in Birmingham. But the brothers who start making

589
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: off right now, the rappers run the department store because

590
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 4: they can come in with their girlfriends and they spend

591
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: money by one thousands of dollars.

592
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: But they answer your question, there were rules just like

593
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 5: you have here. He's been humbled again. It was strategy,

594
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 5: by the way, it wasn't. We got the business people

595
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: to take down to White's only science.

596
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: He did.

597
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: Doctor King would set would shut the economy down. In

598
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: six weeks, they marched. They knew this. Six six percent

599
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: of the residents were black. The dollar was the same dollar.

600
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: So after six weeks, the merchants were the walls were

601
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: on fire. Then doctor King was s Andy Young and

602
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 5: that's young Andy. He called him Andy, going there, quietly,

603
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: take it, take it, take your overalls. I'll put your

604
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 5: business suit on, go behind closed doors, cut a deck,

605
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: cut a deal. Don't embarrass them, don't humiliate them. We

606
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: want them to win to.

607
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: It was a little bigger than that.

608
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Well okay, yeah, but we had to do it.

609
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: We had to get.

610
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Acknowledging it, trying to get the blunt truth out.

611
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: Well, Also if I take credit for it, I'd be then.

612
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Well you're not yeah, but you're a love yeah, but

613
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: you're alive now.

614
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

615
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: But by the way, clearly they do it because they

616
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: told him that you can't strategist.

617
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 5: But there was there was rules, there were there were

618
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 5: the roles. Everybody had a role. He had a roll,

619
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: Doctor King had a roll. The crazy people had a

620
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: role in the movement, but the women had a roll,

621
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 5: the kids had a roll.

622
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 4: But the dirty work is getting everybody to realize their world.

623
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: That's right.

624
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: And you get the kids and you let them know

625
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: that they can pass out handbills and if they happened

626
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: to see somebody shopping that they think that they shouldn't

627
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: be shopping, just go and politely hand them a handbill,

628
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: don't throw it at them, say or just put it

629
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: on the windshield of their car. But they know that

630
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: the community is watching. But it's it really was classic

631
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: to do it in Birmingham when ninety thousand folk. We

632
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: had trouble when we got to Chicago on New York

633
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: and you got millions of folk and so that's where

634
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 4: we stumbled. And that's when doctor King, I mean, when

635
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: we were going coming north and threatening to shut down.

636
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: I mean, Chicago has got more black folk then they

637
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: got folk at Alabama and and and half of Mississippi

638
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: and Chicago, and Alabama's gone to Chicago. So we didn't

639
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 4: have any problem doing the same things with them that

640
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: we did with the parents in back home.

641
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Mhm.

642
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: But it was on such a larger scale and and

643
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: these it is just getting around is different.

644
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: How do I want to this question for both of y'all,

645
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: how do we teach young people now that the real

646
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: revolution isn't in just outrage, especially the social media outrage,

647
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: but it's an actual organizer.

648
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 4: Well, that's short. My dadd had started telling me when

649
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: I was four, don't get mad, get smart. See when

650
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: you lose your temper interfight, you lose the fight. And

651
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: every time he was he liked he was a boxing fan.

652
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 4: And when who at the Sonny liston was supposed to

653
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: be fighting Muhammad Ali and Sonny listening with a bear

654
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 4: of a man, and my daddy said, watch Muhammad a lad,

655
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 4: he'll probably knock him out in two rounds. I said, oh, Daddy,

656
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 4: you don't know what you're talking about. He said that, man,

657
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: I said that man, I said, he is a bear,

658
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: and I said, Muhammed is I mean, he's so thin,

659
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 4: he's light one or two punches and he's gonna go down.

660
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: He said no. He said, watch, Mohammed is not going

661
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: to lose his temper, and Muhammad isn't gonna be cool,

662
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 4: and he'll take him a couple of rounds of playing

663
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: with him, and then Sonny Listening is out of there. Well,

664
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: I said, well, he said, don't forget. Same thing applies

665
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: to you. If you're gonna get in a fight, don't

666
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: get mad, get smart. He said, Sonny Listing has gotten

667
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: mad and you're gonna get his ass whipped.

668
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: Didn't your dad slap you?

669
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: And this is well, that's I mean, we used to.

670
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't slapping. It was it

671
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: was he he always wanted a shadow box and he

672
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: tapped me on the face like that if I was

673
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: going the wrong way. Uh. But if I got lost

674
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: my temper and started swinging, then he knocked the hell out.

675
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: Let me say again, you lose your temper, you're gonna

676
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: lose your head.

677
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 7: That's because I always wondered, like, how did y'all so

678
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 7: for you?

679
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 4: Right?

680
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 7: You're the strategy brings. You can't lose your temper.

681
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 6: But like there were times I went to a museum

682
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 6: in Memphis at the Lorraine Motel when I was there last,

683
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 6: and they were talking to me about when Martin Luther

684
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 6: King was in I believe it was rallying and the

685
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: KKK was marching because he was in the city. And

686
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 6: times like that would happened all the time when people

687
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 6: there was death threats. There were so many things coming you,

688
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 6: guys way, I'm sure you had to have sometimes face

689
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 6: to face conversations that clear the way before he got

690
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: certain places, and you still stay strategy and brainstrong.

691
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: The truth is we didn't that everybody knew. In fact,

692
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: the only person who would talk about it openly was

693
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King, and he said, now you know, if

694
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 4: we go messing with Birmingham, some of us ain't gonna

695
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: come back. Now he knew he was the one most

696
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: likely targeted, but he'd start, I mean, he'd make a

697
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: joke out of it, and he had a real good

698
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 4: sense of humor. He said, John, it might be your turn,

699
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: but it's gonna be one of the hardest things I

700
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: ever do. But I'll try my best to preach your

701
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: ass into heaven and then he'd start preaching all the

702
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: things that I pick on him about. See what are

703
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: you pointing me, because you know the illustration I'm saying

704
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 4: that that's the way he did all of us. He

705
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: would know and he would say things you didn't know.

706
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: He knew about you, and he'd ask God to forgive

707
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 4: you and please let him into heaven. You know, I mean, really,

708
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: he really turned your death into a comedy. And it

709
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: was it was.

710
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: It was a sadistic but the fact that people knew

711
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: that they could potentially die and still were willing to

712
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: make that sacrifice is what I think is missing now also.

713
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: But they shouldn't have to. You shouldn't be willing to

714
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: make the sacrifice. You should be willing to take your

715
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: time and assume that you can make the world right

716
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: and you don't have to die. And we we we

717
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: maybe have made it too difficult. Most of the people

718
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 4: who died, we can remember the names, but they're literally millions.

719
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 4: Like Martin Luther King got stabbed by black woman up

720
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: here in Harlem, and that with a letter opener, and

721
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: the letter opener was pressing on the order of his heart.

722
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: And they said if he had sneezed, he probably would

723
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 4: have died. And he talked about that all the time.

724
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: But what he talked about, he said, but he got

725
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: a letter, and this is why I'm writing the letters.

726
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 4: Answering the letters was important. He said, I remember getting

727
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: this letter and this girl said, I'm eleven years old

728
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: and it shouldn't matter, but I happened to be white,

729
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 4: and I just want to thank you and thank God

730
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 4: that you did not snee And he would talk. He

731
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: talked about that all the time because it represented a

732
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 4: fact that there's still many, many good people. And you

733
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: shouldn't believe that the whole world is going to hell

734
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: at a hand basket. See that right now, even right now,

735
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: in right now, the whole world is not going to

736
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 4: hell in a hand basket. I think there's Friday or

737
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: something that's supposed to be marches in twenty eight cities Saturday, Saturday.

738
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: That's a protesting at the voter.

739
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 5: I think, no, no, it's they're calling it the no

740
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 5: King rally King Rally.

741
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we didn't have anything to do with that.

742
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: But it's it's you mean, we mean black people, black people,

743
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 4: but we'll join, but that's mostly white people. See and

744
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: like was it the start?

745
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 5: Why are you thinking about that? Let's let's answer her question. Though, yes,

746
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 5: there there was level headedness and he was it.

747
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: He would go.

748
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: There were a whole lot of smart black folks.

749
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: That's young.

750
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 5: With all due respect you're being We can either have

751
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 5: an interview or a master class. Okay, now they want

752
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 5: it either way because they're not getting these stories.

753
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: But the master class. But the master Jackie Robinson can

754
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: tell his own story yours.

755
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: But we're telling we're telling the story of people who

756
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: were heroes in a crisis and who were cool and

757
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: didn't get mad.

758
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: They got smart, but they got you here in person.

759
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 5: They can go read about Jesse, about j Robbins. Okay

760
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 5: for you too. So so let me give you one example.

761
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 5: And bastly young So Doc think he had actually a

762
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 5: ferocious sense of humor, but he couldn't. He didn't want

763
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 5: to be like that because he didn't think people were

764
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 5: going to take him seriously. So he he was like

765
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 5: boxed in. But he had this important role. He needed

766
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 5: him to play a role. And the one time he

767
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 5: didn't play his role, Doctor King got upset with him.

768
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: The one time. It was only one time.

769
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: The time all the time, he didn't play a role.

770
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: Well when when Meredith got shot on the road walking

771
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 4: to Mississippi, first place, he shouldn't have been walking down

772
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: a highway by himself and make it this point without

773
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: getting everybody, wanting people looking and getting somebody to help him.

774
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: But anyway, we had a rule, if somebody gets killed

775
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: hurt doing something that's right for the benefit of all

776
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 4: of us, if they go down, we have to go

777
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: take their place. And we were already in Chicago. We

778
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: were registering voters in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, and we

779
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 4: didn't need to have another march to show we were brave.

780
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: But everybody was mad because Marylyith got shot, and so

781
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: they said, let's go, let's go. We got to keep

782
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 4: it going. Well, I saw that they were leaving all

783
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: of the stuff we've been working on for months behind

784
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 4: and it would all suffer. But I got tired of

785
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: playing Uncle Tom role. I said, okay, let's go, and

786
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: doctor King said, Andy, hold up, I got to go

787
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: to John meet me in my office and he came

788
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 4: in and he said, look, if you're not gonna talk

789
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: sense and help balance it on the right side, I

790
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: don't need you he said, I don't need another crazy negro.

791
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: We got plenty. Everybody can get emotional, somebody's got to

792
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: stay calm. And I said, but I get tired of

793
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 4: playing that Uncle Tom Row. He said, yeah, but you've

794
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: been doing it all your life and you ain't gonna quit. Now.

795
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: Why they call being calm and level headed and using

796
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: strategy of being an Uncle Tom.

797
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: Because when everybody's mad and you calm, then they think

798
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: something's wrong with you.

799
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: They thought the most they thought that a man thought

800
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: that the most courageous, manny thing he can do was

801
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: to go to jail. Going to prison, getting your rear

802
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: end whip was a badge of honor. By the way,

803
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: strategically they put women and children on those marches. They

804
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't want Charlemagne or me or they didn't want because

805
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: that was aggression against aggression. You wanted to get the

806
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: sympathy from the TV cameras and the meet so they

807
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: put women in children. That was strategic.

808
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: Well the men wouldn't come.

809
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: Okay, Well that's all okay, all right, whatever it was,

810
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 5: it worked out. The point is the point is that

811
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 5: that he was playing a very important role. Like if

812
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: you look at the pictures in the civil rights movement,

813
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: Doctor King Andrew Young. Andrew is never looking at the camera.

814
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 5: He's looking here. He's looking here, He's looking here, he's

815
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 5: looking for he's looking for threats to his friend. He's

816
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 5: not trying to become doctor King. You guys, when you're interviewing,

817
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 5: you're not trying to be the guests. You're not trying

818
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 5: to be the star. That's you're You're so good at it.

819
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 5: You're playing your role and you do it brilliantly. And

820
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 5: as a result of that, you became stars by focusing

821
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 5: on the star. And basst Young wanted Andrew doctor King

822
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 5: to be successful, and he deferred himself. He again, I'm

823
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 5: basically the only person that lets him that he lets

824
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: push him like this and just but he knows I'm

825
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 5: just trying to pull it out of him so that

826
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: people can benefit. He's very uncomfortable talking about himself. But

827
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 5: this is so important to understand the dirty work, the

828
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 5: stuff behind the scenes, the little things. It's everything. And

829
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 5: so this role he played of being calm and cool

830
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 5: and chill and stepping over mess and not in it.

831
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: That's the way I was born.

832
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: It's a certain temperament like I don't even know if

833
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: you can learn that, like, that's why. But you can learn.

834
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 4: It, I think, well, can you unlearn it? I mean

835
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 4: I learned it. Every man learns it with his wife.

836
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: I mean, your wife can cuss you, and I mean

837
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: talk about you like a dog, and my wife does regularly.

838
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: Now nostic so she but she was a school teacher

839
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: for thirty years, and she dope and she said, I've

840
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: been dealing with you bad boys all my life and

841
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna let you get away with nothing. Well, okay,

842
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: but I've been married twice and both of them were

843
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 4: school teachers, and both of them knew how to well

844
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: one I knew how not to get get riled up with.

845
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 4: I don't believe I've ever lost my temper with my

846
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: wife either one one for forty years and another one

847
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 4: for thirty years.

848
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 5: He taught He taught me you can either be married

849
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 5: or you can be right.

850
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: That those are two different things.

851
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the doc, you said, after Martin Luther King

852
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: Junior got shot, you knew there was no hope.

853
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 4: What did you know? I don't think I said that.

854
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: I knew that it was gonna be hard, but I really,

855
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: you know, my mama used to make me go to

856
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 4: Sunday school. And they one time they were talking about

857
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 4: Elisha going to heaven and a flaming chariot. And I

858
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 4: was about nine years old, and I said, I don't

859
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 4: believe that they put me out of Center school, but

860
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 4: I never forgot that. And that's what I thought when

861
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: I saw Martin laying there one I said, he probably

862
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 4: didn't even hear that shot. The bullet Follers travels faster

863
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 4: than the speed of sound, so it hit him right

864
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 4: in his and severed his spinal cord. So he probably

865
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 4: never heard it, and he probably never felt any pain,

866
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: and he was dead instantly. And the thing that occurred

867
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 4: to me then was, damn my brother done gone to

868
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 4: have them in a flaming chariot. And see, he used

869
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: to keep wanting to go back to Memphis. Well, Memphis

870
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: is right next to the river, Mississippi River, and Missisivvy

871
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 4: river runs through and all our spirituals, you know, my

872
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 4: home is over Jordan. Well, Jordan is the Mississippi for

873
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 4: us down south, and and it and all of the

874
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 4: all of the spirituals talk about you know, steal away,

875
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 4: steal away to Jesus uh. And I just felt that

876
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 4: he'd gone home to the Lord and and and left

877
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 4: me here. But I knew, and I still know that

878
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: there's hardly a day that I don't talk about him

879
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 4: and learn or remember something that he said, uh in

880
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 4: a similar situation. And I passed that on to my children,

881
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 4: but to all children. And it's one of the reasons

882
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 4: why I'm really grateful to those folk, and Johnny one

883
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 4: of them that put together money to tell this story,

884
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: because I don't believe it there's ever been. I don't

885
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 4: believe anybody black, white, rich or poor ha's ever had

886
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 4: ninety minutes of TV time telling their story. And these

887
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 4: folks came in brother from England. They backed three eighteen

888
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 4: wheelers up into my my my driveway and unloaded the

889
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: equipment and they set me down and I talked for

890
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 4: three days, eight hours a day. They came back a

891
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: month or so later with another three days, eight hours

892
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 4: a day, and I think we did that. We did

893
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 4: that three or four times.

894
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: He's watch.

895
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: And they had read everything ever written by me, and

896
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 4: this this brother sat down there and he he asked

897
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 4: me questions. I said, where did you get that from?

898
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 4: And he tell me where it came from? And he

899
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 4: made me remember, and so I saw this as having

900
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: a chance to tell a story that And I don't

901
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: care how much we don't read like we used to,

902
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 4: if we ever did, But all the books that were

903
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 4: written by the movement are big thig books, and and

904
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 4: we don't read, we don't keep still that long. So

905
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: the mass media, radio and television is still our means

906
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 4: of communication. And it's why you play such an important

907
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: part in our community and why I had I mean,

908
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 4: I was in a meet and last night till ten o'clock,

909
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: went home, got me a few hours sleep, got up

910
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 4: at four o'clock in the morning, got on a plane,

911
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: and came up back here because I wasn't coming to

912
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 4: talk to you all. You talk to more people than

913
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 4: anybody I know. And when John said he's going to

914
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 4: let you talk to his people, I said, thank you Jesus.

915
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: No, it's a privilege me.

916
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 4: Well, it's but it's a privilege for me because I well,

917
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 4: like I was mare for eight years and we took

918
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 4: Atlanta from half a million people to five million, and

919
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 4: we got the world's business airport, and it's I went

920
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: up to the airport was the world's business airport, and

921
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 4: they used to complain that they didn't have enough women

922
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: in the decision making. And I go into the board

923
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 4: meeting and there's twelve people in there, and nine of

924
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: them women black women, well, eight black women, one white woman.

925
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: And that's that airport house one hundred and fourteen million

926
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: people a year. See, and black women are running it,

927
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 4: and they we have worked that out and we're trying

928
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 4: to expand it and keep it growing. But we voted,

929
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 4: and we get out and vote. I got elected because

930
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 4: and it poured down Raine. It was like Gladys Knight

931
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 4: thing rating night in Georgia, and it poured down from

932
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 4: Sunday and the only day was Tuesday, and I said, Lord,

933
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: please stop this rain. And it kept on raining Monday

934
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 4: and rained all day Tuesday and half the night. And

935
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 4: I went out to see how I was doing. And

936
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 4: Black folk were still in lines. They went lines in Atlanta,

937
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: like they went line with Mandela in South Africa. They

938
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 4: stayed in line for days in South Africa. Because they

939
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: got Mandela out of jail and elected in president. That

940
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: they elected me mayor, and then after that they elected

941
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 4: they elected me to Congress in seventy two and then

942
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 4: seventy three they elected Mayne to Jackson mayor, and we've

943
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: had nine black mayors in a row, and everyone has

944
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 4: grown the city more and and it's it's doing well.

945
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 5: I have a favorite ask. I don't ask you from

946
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 5: any favors. I've never seen these folks so quiet. They're

947
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 5: gonna pay you respect because you are, you are the iconic.

948
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 5: They've never seen him quiet, right, yeah, yeah, but they

949
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 5: got questions, right. And if you keep telling stories about Joe,

950
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 5: Jack Schmoe and the other person, I need to know.

951
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 5: This is a masterclass. This is an opportunity for give

952
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: it one. John, Okay, but I know there's some jewels.

953
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 4: But I've been giving him one for the list years. Yeah.

954
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: They can't be said in one interview.

955
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: That's why the documentary is important as well. But I mean,

956
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm learning a lot I do. To John's point,

957
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: do I do have a question? Do you think we've

958
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 3: honored doctor King's legacy or just branded.

959
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 4: No. I don't think there's anybody anybody around that doesn't

960
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 4: respect what he did and what he gave his life for.

961
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: I think that I think he is a sacred personality

962
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 4: in our history. But everyone is like that. I mean

963
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: Christmas Attics. I knew about him. He's the first black man,

964
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: first man to die for this country in Massachusetts, and

965
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: he's black, and it well, this country would not be

966
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 4: what it is without us. And I think Martin Luther

967
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 4: King represents the best of us, but he ain't the

968
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 4: only one of us. That there were people around him,

969
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 4: and only a half a dozen of us have been

970
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 4: to college. I mean, most of us learn learn from

971
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 4: the streets, and they learned from our experiences. But the

972
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 4: I mean Louis Armstrong grew up in my neighborhood in

973
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 4: New Orleans. He didn't I don't think anybody ever gave

974
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 4: him trumpet lessons. He just picked up the thing and

975
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 4: made it blow. And the thing that I'd like to

976
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 4: remind people is that here's a man who grew up

977
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 4: in one of the poorest neighborhoods in New Orleans and

978
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: he sings It's a wonderful world, see. And there's Ray

979
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 4: Charles who's blind, and there's a big piano out in

980
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 4: all ben and Georgia where he grew up, and he

981
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 4: sings America the Beautiful. But he doesn't start with though,

982
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 4: but the spacious skies. He starts with a little beautiful

983
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 4: for heroes proved in liberating strife, who more than self

984
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 4: their country loved, and mercy morderan life. And we take

985
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 4: the history of this country and the history of this planet,

986
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 4: and we turn it into a a piece of music

987
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 4: or a symbol of grace. If we do something, we

988
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 4: do it with style, you know, and it's and and

989
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 4: no matter what it is, we do it better. And

990
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 4: I used to think I could play basketball. I wouldn't

991
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 4: go near a basketball court with a bunch of women

992
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 4: on it because they all would beat. The day when

993
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 4: the Olympics wine in Korea, the women's Olympic team was

994
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 4: playing an army team, and I went to the brothers.

995
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: I said, now, look, don't don't y'all like too rough

996
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 4: with these broads. I said, you've got you've got to

997
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 4: show them some respect. He said, man, you don't know,

998
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 4: these brothers be the ship out of us. And and

999
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 4: but I said, well, they said, no, we we got

1000
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 4: to try to get even. And if you look at

1001
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 4: at the way, well the Atlanta Airport, I can remember

1002
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 4: the lady when they said eighty percent of the work

1003
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 4: of the.

1004
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: No.

1005
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 4: Eight hundred thousand dollars was made by women in the airport,

1006
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 4: and this black woman got up and said, no, no, no,

1007
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 4: don't clap, don't clap. It should be a billion. Come

1008
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 4: back when you've got a billion dollars, you've got a

1009
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: women making a billion dollars in this airport, then we'll clap.

1010
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 4: And this it's been that. It's been that pushing and

1011
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 4: pulling and thinking and sweating that we have excelled at.

1012
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I say earlier, going back to what you said earlier,

1013
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 8: you said it's coming back, right. So my question to you,

1014
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 8: is this the state of this country where it is now?

1015
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 8: Is it reminiscent of civil rights movement back in the day.

1016
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: No, it's not because when I came up in the

1017
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 4: well maybe so, because I was born in nineteen thirty two.

1018
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 4: That was a recession here and there were people starving.

1019
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 4: That's where social security came from. That's where food stamps

1020
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 4: came from, the government trying to meet people who were starving,

1021
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 4: and they were not they were not black, I mean.

1022
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 4: And right now, the way the government is moving, it's

1023
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 4: not doing right for anybody. But there's some good happening.

1024
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 4: And I.

1025
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 8: What do you feel the good is?

1026
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 4: That's well, one I believe in this country, and I

1027
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 4: believe in God, and I believe this country is a

1028
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 4: God feary, God blessed country. That's something I have. I

1029
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 4: haven't seen any other country. Well, I've been to. I've

1030
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 4: traveled one hundred and fifty one countries, and that only

1031
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 4: about two hundred and ten countries in the world, and

1032
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 4: I've been to one hundred and fifty of them. But

1033
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 4: I come right back to the United States and I

1034
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 4: come back to Atlanta. I enjoyed New York, and I'd

1035
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 4: like to come to New York, but it's just takes

1036
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 4: too long to get places. And the traffic, now, you know,

1037
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 4: I worry about, but now the traffic humped Atlanta. So

1038
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 4: we got to figure out what to do with that.

1039
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 5: When traffic comes to growing cities. Traffic comes to growing cities,

1040
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 5: which you built in Atlanta, by the way, eight hundred

1041
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 5: billion dollars sorry, five hundred and eighty billion dollars GDP

1042
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,480
Speaker 5: the same Atlanta's bigger GDP than Singapore.

1043
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: And he built it.

1044
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 5: He and and the people he just talked about, they

1045
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 5: built that into what my wife calls wakanda. And it's

1046
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 5: nothing like it in the in the entire world. Again,

1047
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 5: these are things that he doesn't talk about. It's it's

1048
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 5: some of it's in the documentary, by the way, some

1049
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 5: of it's not a lot of it's not a lot

1050
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 5: of us ended up on on the editing floor the bother.

1051
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 5: Thanks Rachel, Thank Rachel, Mattaw Phil Griffin MSNBC for putting

1052
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 5: resources behind this to make it possible. But this guy's

1053
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 5: a walking treasure trove of strategic thought, I mean, and

1054
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 5: most of it is unarticulated, unrecorded. He just goes about

1055
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 5: his business and he's he got to you just literally

1056
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 5: pull it out of you, start talking, You ask them

1057
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 5: a question.

1058
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: He goes in the fifty other directions. I love it, though,

1059
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: I love it all about other people.

1060
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 3: You said, just now with all of the he said,

1061
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: it's a God fearing country. But when you think about

1062
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 3: all of the oppression black people are facing this country,

1063
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: all the challenges to be facing this country, how can those.

1064
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: People be fearing of God treating people like that?

1065
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 4: Welcause God's son suffered and suffering is not Suffering is

1066
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 4: not the end. It's not acceptable, and we should do

1067
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 4: everything we can to wipe it out. But we shouldn't

1068
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 4: be afraid of it like I just have never been

1069
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 4: afraid to die. And and most of us that march

1070
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 4: with Martin Luther King used to argue and and and say, Okay,

1071
01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: who's Bombingham? Is Bombingham? Somebody gonna get bombed And that

1072
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 4: means I hope and and doctor King would start preaching

1073
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 4: your sermon. He said, Now, if it's you, saw man,

1074
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 4: I might have a hard time getting you into heaven.

1075
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: But but but but he would start with finding some

1076
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 4: of the things that you got. You have gathered my

1077
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: people together on this radio, and I want to bless

1078
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 4: you for that, and the Lord will bless you for that,

1079
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 4: because you talk to more people about life than maybe

1080
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 4: anybody else I know. And uh, we're grateful. We're not

1081
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 4: gonna forget that. But we also know it took you

1082
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 4: a little while to get here. And we know that

1083
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 4: whatever got you here wasn't always you know, Sunday wasn't

1084
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 4: lessons you learned in Sunday School and and and and

1085
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 4: we we but you're forgiven the things in the struggle,

1086
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 4: and you you got a place in glory.

1087
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 2: It sounds like you have a hard time getting me

1088
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: in heaven.

1089
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 3: Well no, But does the revolution start when people get

1090
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: tired of suffering.

1091
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, no revolution, revolution I think is continuous. And

1092
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 4: like I picked up one of your books off the

1093
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: table and uh, what you get honest a die line

1094
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 4: and in sometimes in history books like that would make

1095
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 4: one group of people wake up. Now it's hard to

1096
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 4: get us to read. That's why you're on the radio.

1097
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 4: But that's why we're on television also. And doctor King

1098
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 4: used to say that news media is worth a million

1099
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 4: dollars a minute. We we we would try to get

1100
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 4: our demonstrations on ABC, NBC and CBS and you know,

1101
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 4: Cronkite and Brink, but each one of them, if you

1102
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 4: could get on those three, that's that time is worth

1103
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 4: a million dollars a minute. And so you put in

1104
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 4: some good hours here, thank you, and you built a

1105
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:46,879
Speaker 4: good audience.

1106
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 7: Is it true that.

1107
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 6: You made the call to miss credits Scott King after

1108
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 6: Doctor King was shot? Did you make the call to

1109
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 6: correct miss Corredis Scott King when doctor King was shot?

1110
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 4: I did, but she had already heard it. But I

1111
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 4: knew Corretta. Corretta and my wife grew up together in

1112
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 4: a little country town and we talked all the time,

1113
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 4: and they talked to each other and she wasn't crying.

1114
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 4: She wasn't. She said, well, there's what I've been worried about.

1115
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 4: But now we have to carry on. See, And that's

1116
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 4: the way all of her children have tried to carry on.

1117
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 4: And it's hard, and but all of us in some

1118
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 4: way a doctor King's children. And we see the example

1119
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 4: that he said, and we see her she was, she was.

1120
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 4: She was up here in Boston, uh, trying to train

1121
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 4: to be an opera singer. Mm hmm. And he said,

1122
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 4: I need you back down south with me.

1123
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 5: She actually raised money. She would do concerts credit Scot

1124
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 5: King would sing concerts, operated concerts and raise money for

1125
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 5: the civil rights movement. For her husband behind every successful

1126
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 5: man as an exhausted woman, which is why he keeps

1127
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 5: telling the story of women who don't get the credit,

1128
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 5: who don't get acknowledged.

1129
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: He keeps pulling.

1130
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 5: I do admire that he keeps pulling everybody into his

1131
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 5: story so they get their name mentioned, so that they

1132
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 5: get acknowledged. Uh. His his wife now is strong. His

1133
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 5: first wife, Jeanie childs.

1134
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: Young was strong.

1135
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1136
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 5: When he was you an ambassador, they were in a

1137
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 5: they went to jean Child's hometown.

1138
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 4: Little country town in Alabama.

1139
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 5: And they were on the they were in the open

1140
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 5: opening a car and Gene child Wrong said Andy. She

1141
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 5: that's a guy I used to date in high school.

1142
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 5: He's a bum. Now he's on he's on a street corner.

1143
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 4: I said, I said, go Lee, I guess you're glad

1144
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 4: he he had a hard time in Vietnam and he's

1145
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 4: not doing right. I guess you're glad you didn't marry him.

1146
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 4: And she said she if he'd have been the ambassador

1147
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 4: to the United Nations. And that's that's true. That that

1148
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 4: and that's a there's a John Bryant quote behind every

1149
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 4: great man as an exhausted woman, many exhausted women.

1150
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 2: I'm glad.

1151
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you keep bringing up, you know, other people.

1152
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 3: And I'm glad that what the doctors called the dirty work,

1153
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: because I think playing your position is a lost start.

1154
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: I think everybody wants to be a star now.

1155
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, it makes me one that

1156
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 3: has has social media made the struggle to performative because

1157
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 3: people don't see that unseen grind. You don't see that

1158
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 3: dirty work. You don't understand how important plan your position is.

1159
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 4: Well, you know, those who are in music noted you've

1160
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 4: got to create a certain harmony, a certain rhythm that

1161
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 4: you can't do it. I mean, jazz was everybody solo

1162
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 4: and on their own. But but the music now has

1163
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 4: has far more well in good times. It has melody

1164
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 4: in hard times against funky. But you've got you've got

1165
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 4: each one expressing the way they feel and h and

1166
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 4: somehow when you hear it and it relates to you,

1167
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 4: you go out and buy the records so you know

1168
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 4: you you turn on whatever it is you have to

1169
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 4: turn on. Nowadays, I don't have one of them.

1170
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: Radio anyway, go ahead, no.

1171
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 4: But it's it's this is a very complex life. I

1172
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 4: mean when I lived in New York, I worked up

1173
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 4: on a dear Harlem and near Riverside Church, and one

1174
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 4: time the lights went off and I had to walk

1175
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 4: from up there at one hundred and twentieth and Broadway

1176
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 4: across the Queensbide Down Bridge to get a bus on

1177
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 4: the other side to get me up to Hollis. And

1178
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 4: it's a huge complicated city and there's nothing simple. But

1179
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 4: you have to figure that for anything to work in

1180
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 4: this city, and in most great cities, there's got to

1181
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 4: be a series of teams that are making it work,

1182
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 4: and most of the time you don't see the ones

1183
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 4: that are in the background. And you don't, I mean

1184
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 4: you don't. You might see the cook that's preparing the meal,

1185
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 4: but you don't see the guy that had the slaughter

1186
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 4: the cole.

1187
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 6: There's all this work, and you know, all the sacrifice

1188
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 6: that you guys put in. When Martin Luther King was here,

1189
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 6: he wasn't as liked and as revered by everybody as

1190
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 6: he is today.

1191
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 7: How do you feel when you say.

1192
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 4: He almost was, you know, almost talking about I mean,

1193
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 4: there were a few people who were jealous of him,

1194
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 4: who wanted to be him, but they were preachers too, and.

1195
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 3: But he was one of that kind of I just

1196
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 3: want you to they've never stopped that kind of no.

1197
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 4: But he he did not let that bother him, and

1198
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 4: it well, yeah, yeah, you have to watch your enemies,

1199
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,839
Speaker 4: but you see them better if you bring them closer

1200
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 4: and try to get them involved in what you're doing.

1201
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 4: And you know, the teams that win play together, and

1202
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,520
Speaker 4: and and everything requires a team.

1203
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: Now we get into a real conversation.

1204
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 3: Can you tell me about the team that you and

1205
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: Clarence e Oh lord, I tell you that that is

1206
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 3: one of the most He's one of the.

1207
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 4: Most beautiful brothers I've ever met.

1208
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: Love him.

1209
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 4: He called me and said, I'm trying to reach Andrew

1210
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 4: Young and the young. I said, yeah, I'm in the Young.

1211
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 4: He said, Nigga, are you crazy? And I said, I

1212
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 4: don't know what? What?

1213
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 6: What?

1214
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 4: Why? What makes you think that they tell me you

1215
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 4: running for congress in Georgia. Don't you know that they

1216
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 4: just killed medical over there in Mississippi. How you ain't

1217
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 4: got good sense and you want to run for Congress?

1218
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 4: I said, well, before doctor King was killed, the last

1219
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 4: thing we talked about was how were going to take

1220
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 4: our people from the streets into politics. And when John

1221
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 4: came along, it was from the streets to the to

1222
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 4: the suites and the banks, and how to how we're

1223
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 4: going to integrate the money, how we're going to integrate

1224
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 4: the culture, say and he said, well, if you crazy

1225
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 4: enough to run, I'm crazy enough to help you. And

1226
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 4: I said, what would you He said, what would you do?

1227
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 4: If I could get Bill Cosby? If I could bring

1228
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 4: Bill Cosby and Isaac Hayes. Now this was nineteen seventy.

1229
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 4: Bill Cosby was booming. He just got on, you know,

1230
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 4: and Isaac Hayes was good music or out of Memphis.

1231
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 4: And I said, well, you know, I said, I don't

1232
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 4: even have money to make a phone call to invite him.

1233
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 4: He said, nigga, I didn't ask you if you had

1234
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 4: any money. I said, what would you do if they

1235
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 4: came here? And I said, well, I'd get to Baseball

1236
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 4: Stadium and we'd fill it. We'd fill it up. That'd

1237
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 4: be a great start for a campaign. I said, but

1238
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 4: I told you I don't have any money. He said,

1239
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 4: I told you. I ain't said nothing to you about money.

1240
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 4: Money is my business. And I shut up and he

1241
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 4: hung up on me. But he found out who had

1242
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 4: handled the radio, I mean the Braves Stadium. And it

1243
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 4: was about in six weeks signs we well, four weeks

1244
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 4: signs walp all over town that Bill Cosby and Isaac

1245
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 4: Hayes would come into the baseball stadium and he blew

1246
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 4: it out right and they filled it up in the

1247
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 4: pour and down rain and gave you the money and

1248
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,839
Speaker 4: didn't even charge didn't charge anything.

1249
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 2: I low Clarence Man say, that's my idol.

1250
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 8: What was the issue the real issue between Martin Luther

1251
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 8: King Jr.

1252
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 7: And Malcolm X.

1253
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 4: You know there was no issue. The difference was that

1254
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King learned in college. Malcolm X learned in jail.

1255
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 4: But Malcolm X read the Dictionary and the Bible. Say,

1256
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 4: and when Mark and came back with the Nobel Prize,

1257
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 4: we worked in Harlem and the Armory. And when we

1258
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 4: came in the back door, who was standing act in

1259
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 4: the back door with Malcolm X? Two people, Malcolm X

1260
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 4: and Nelson Rockefeller. And Malcolm X said, I just wanted

1261
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 4: to thank you for all that you've done, and I

1262
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 4: want you to know that I am with you in

1263
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 4: anything you want me to do. But I think that

1264
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 4: it's probably better strategy if you and I don't seem

1265
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 4: to be so close, and said, that's why I'm not

1266
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 4: going to come in there with you in public.

1267
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to profile Malcolm was trying to.

1268
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,799
Speaker 3: Did you disparage Malcolm? You see disparage Martin publicly? Sometimes

1269
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 3: though we'll call him Uncle Tom, was his brand.

1270
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't Malcolm so much as it was

1271
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 4: that whole whole crowd around Elijah Muhammad.

1272
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: Now, but Martin was close to Elijah too.

1273
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 4: It seems like I know well because we're wunerable because

1274
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 4: when we came to if we went into town, like

1275
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 4: when we went to to Chicago, we got all the

1276
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 4: big preachers together and got them to agree that we

1277
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 4: would be there with them and that they could tell

1278
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 4: us what they wanted us to do. Now, some didn't

1279
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 4: like it, and some just didn't want anybody to have

1280
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:40,480
Speaker 4: a profile but them, and we just went on around them.

1281
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 4: But Malcolm, well, I met Malcolm when I was here,

1282
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 4: and Mike Wallace did a story on Malcolm on sixty Minutes,

1283
01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:00,879
Speaker 4: and the black guy who was working with Mike Wallace

1284
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 4: was married to one of my secretaries at the National

1285
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 4: Consular Churches, and they invited me and my wife over

1286
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 4: to dinner. This was this was before Malcolm X was

1287
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 4: even known around and but we'd had dinner a couple

1288
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 4: of times together. Anytime he came to Atlanta, he came

1289
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 4: by our office, but Martin was never there, but he

1290
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 4: went to He went to Selma to see Martin, and

1291
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 4: Martin got arrested that day and was in jail. So

1292
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 4: he spent the day with Corretta and me and spoke

1293
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 4: at the Mass Mass meeting that night and then went

1294
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 4: on his way. Malcolm and they haven't.

1295
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 8: They haven't met.

1296
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 4: They met once, Yeah, they met, No, they met several

1297
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 4: times because he was always in private.

1298
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: Publicly yeah, publicly.

1299
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when they had got that picture together.

1300
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 5: By the way, when he became mayor, just the point

1301
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 5: about paying people playing their roles. When he became mayor

1302
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 5: of Atlanta, the civil rights leaders his friends. The second

1303
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 5: day he was mayor, they picketed him, so he went outside.

1304
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: He said, what are you guys doing?

1305
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 5: They said, well, you're the mayor now, so you know

1306
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 5: you got your job, we got ours and he accepted that.

1307
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 5: So Malcolm was playing his lane, is playing his role publicly,

1308
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 5: but privately he respected doctor King and just didn't feel

1309
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 5: that he was useful to him. By the way, a

1310
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 5: lot of these, a lot of the Black Power movement

1311
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 5: came out of standing right next to Doctor King walking

1312
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 5: in the South, the Black Power movement, that's where it started.

1313
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 5: They'd used Malcolm Martin's visibility to get visibility for what

1314
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 5: they were doing, which was easier because he were angry.

1315
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,919
Speaker 5: Black Power getting angry, so and Martin a lot allowed

1316
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 5: all of that. He allowed everything to flourish around him.

1317
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 5: He wasn't insecure, but it just wasn't his It wasn't

1318
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 5: his way.

1319
01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 4: What he did was on just that he invited Carmichael

1320
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 4: to come to church. So next time you're in Atlanta,

1321
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 4: if you're in Atlanta on a Sunday, please come to

1322
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 4: church and then come home and have dinner with us afterwards.

1323
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 4: We need some time to talk. And he came to Atlanta,

1324
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 4: went to church, and then they went home together. Uh

1325
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 4: and uh, Coretta fixed dinner with the well. Preacher's wives

1326
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 4: always have a way of fixing food no matter who

1327
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 4: shows up. They got enough.

1328
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 5: But isn't it true that all of those leaders at

1329
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 5: some point criticized doctor King. Yeah, see snick snick.

1330
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: Uh uh, yes, sick.

1331
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's nick.

1332
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: That's why I love the documentary King of King King

1333
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 3: in the Wilderness, you know, because it shows that. But

1334
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 3: it seemed like it was respectful, you know, like they

1335
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 3: were walking together and they were disagreeing during interviews, but.

1336
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: It was respectful.

1337
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, But people like John Lewis never disagree, you know,

1338
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 4: and it was it was people. I mean, you have

1339
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 4: rivalries on the same football team, but they all running

1340
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 4: the same play and and and that's sort of that's

1341
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 4: sort of the way we were we said, Look, we

1342
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 4: may disagree on how to get there, but we all

1343
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 4: are trying to do the same thing, and we can

1344
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 4: do it best if we do it together.

1345
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 5: So Charlemagne, what I'm hearing from what I've learned from

1346
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 5: him is the mission back then was we? The mission

1347
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 5: now is me? This is the basically when to summarize

1348
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 5: what the problem is and what you brought up earlier.

1349
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 5: People today wake up Ago, I'm tired of talking about me.

1350
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 5: Now you talk about me, and it's all about me me,

1351
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 5: and I'm and if it doesn't benefit me, then I'm

1352
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 5: not interested.

1353
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: My likes, my engage is my views.

1354
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 5: That's right, my opinion, And if I got to hurt you,

1355
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 5: I've got to step on you to elevate myself, then,

1356
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 5: so be it. Back then it was almost the exact opposite.

1357
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, I just you're being gracious, you are

1358
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 4: being I'm being respectful.

1359
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: Exactly the point.

1360
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 4: But I'm trying to find if you're going to get

1361
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 4: along with people, you can easily point out differences, but

1362
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 4: if you really want to work together, you got to

1363
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 4: find those huge things that you agree on and say,

1364
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,560
Speaker 4: let's get this straight first. And that's true in the neighborhood.

1365
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 4: You know, it's true in everything we do.

1366
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 8: I totally respect what you said a little bit back

1367
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 8: when you said I've never been afraid to die, right,

1368
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 8: But I think it's greater that you've never been afraid

1369
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 8: to die without making a difference or without making a change,

1370
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 8: because you've got a lot of young people that aren't

1371
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 8: afraid to die either, but for the wrong reason.

1372
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 4: No, they afraid. They scared to death, and it's because

1373
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 4: they're scared that they do stupid things. See. I mean

1374
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 4: most street fights would be avoided if somebody could say

1375
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 4: blow a whistle and say just take ten seconds to

1376
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 4: cool off, they wouldn't shoot. But they're doing something and

1377
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 4: I don't really understand it because I've never had to.

1378
01:31:58,680 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Be that way.

1379
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 5: Let me bridget. The most dangerous person in the world

1380
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 5: is a person with no hope. So they had hope.

1381
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 5: Loaded The most dangerous person in the world is a

1382
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 5: person with no hope. They had hope. They had self esteem,

1383
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 5: not just confidence. You can be great in music or

1384
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 5: great and whatever, have enormous confidence, but have low self esteem.

1385
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 5: They had spirituality. They believe it's something larger and more

1386
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 5: important themselves. Doctor kingon say I'm here to say black people.

1387
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 5: He said, I'm here to redeem the soul of America

1388
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 5: from the triple evils of war, racism, and poverty. He

1389
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 5: wrapped everybody in his vision and he brought everybody in

1390
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 5: and then lifted everybody up and with it. Yes, black

1391
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 5: people got lifted too, but it wasn't black people only

1392
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 5: or black people at the cost of everybody else. And

1393
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 5: so he made it hard for people to disagree with him.

1394
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 5: But he had his own self esteem. When you have

1395
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 5: no hope, you're willing to your life has no value.

1396
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 5: They were willing to die because they had hope, because

1397
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 5: it wasn't about them. It's a different new ones. They

1398
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 5: value themselves enough that they valued everybody else enough that

1399
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 5: they're willing to sacrifice themselves. So that's a different thing than.

1400
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: I don't value me.

1401
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 5: I don't value it was going I'm not gonna live

1402
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 5: to twenty five anyway, What does it matter? None of

1403
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 5: this matters, So I'm not the most dangerous person in

1404
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 5: the world. Is a personal no hope, That's why he

1405
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 5: said he can't relate to it. So it is that, Charlie,

1406
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 5: what you said earlier about has it changed or you asked, Yes,

1407
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 5: I think it has changed. It's me and me. I

1408
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 5: because I don't value myself. I need to keep pouring

1409
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 5: water in this cup because because the cup has no bottom.

1410
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 5: If the cup has no bottom, I'm pouring all the

1411
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 5: time trying to fill up myself esteem.

1412
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 8: And people need validation.

1413
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: They seek validation, Yes, through everything. And so what he's

1414
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:51,799
Speaker 1: talking about is purpose in life.

1415
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: My god, what he's got his intention? It's your real purpose.

1416
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 2: What's your intention? What are you here for?

1417
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: Yes?

1418
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 5: And you guys are the most powerful what you do

1419
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 5: in the country, And I believe in the world because

1420
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 5: you're all about something. You don't just show up here,

1421
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 5: me and me. It's not good. You facilitate a conversation

1422
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 5: and you wouldn't let the other person be. You want

1423
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: the other person to be the center of the conversation,

1424
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 5: to pull it out of him. And you even sacrifice

1425
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 5: yourself sometimes when the people talking mess to you. You

1426
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 5: got to know who you are. He knows who he is.

1427
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: Doctor. Can you tell him?

1428
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 5: The quick story is not in the documentary Quick quick

1429
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 5: story about I'm just trying to do this quick because

1430
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 5: I want to try to get a lot in a little

1431
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 5: bit of time when when you came back with doctor

1432
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 5: King from the Nobel Peace Prize and President the United States.

1433
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 5: This was when he saw Malcolm and Rockefeller, and the

1434
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 5: President United States refused to meet with you guys because

1435
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 5: he didn't want to ask. He knew was coming and

1436
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 5: you were in New York. Rockefeller offered you his jet.

1437
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 4: Well, Rockefeller assumed that we were going to see the

1438
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 4: President Johnson, and he said, you all can let me

1439
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 4: know what time you want leave. I'll have my jet

1440
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 4: ready to pick you up and take you down to Origenon.

1441
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 4: And that was in the paper. So we got an

1442
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 4: appointment we thought for three o'clock and we got there

1443
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 4: on time with the President. With the President, we got

1444
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 4: there on time, but they said he was tied up

1445
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,839
Speaker 4: with the generals talking about Vietnam.

1446
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: You don't want to see him, and.

1447
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 4: It I mean, we really didn't get to see himuntill dark.

1448
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 4: It was about six o'clock, two or three hours later.

1449
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 4: But we were with the Vice president and the district

1450
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 4: and the Attorney General talking about voting rights. When we

1451
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 4: got in with the President Johnson, he was really depressed

1452
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:54,839
Speaker 4: and he said, I agree with you, doctor King, everything.

1453
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 4: Martin says, he said, I agree with you, I just

1454
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 4: don't have the power. And that was his only answer

1455
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 4: everything we said. He said, I agree with you, I

1456
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 4: just don't have the power.

1457
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 2: He the president who had the power.

1458
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 4: If you were, then well, he didn't have the votes,

1459
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 4: and he had just gotten beat up by people who

1460
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 4: were trying to get him to drop atomic bombs on Vietnam,

1461
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 4: and so he was depressed. And when we left, I said,

1462
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 4: doctor King, I said, you know, the president is right.

1463
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the power and we don't either. And

1464
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 4: I said, this is a perfect time for you to

1465
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 4: take a sabbatical. You need to take three or four

1466
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 4: months off, go wherever you want to go, think this through,

1467
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 4: take your family or not, and then after the next

1468
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 4: election we'll have a better position. And he said no.

1469
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 4: I said, well, what you going to do? He said,

1470
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 4: we got to get the president some power. And I

1471
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 4: said something else and he said no, we got to

1472
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 4: get the president some power. And finally I said, nigga,

1473
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 4: you more housemen. You broke You see, because the Nobel

1474
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 4: Peace Prize was sixty thousand dollars, Rockefeller doubled it, so

1475
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 4: we had one hundred and twenty thousand dollars but then

1476
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 4: Martin divided up against all well all six He gave

1477
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 4: everybody a sixth of it, every civil rights organization.

1478
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: He split up the money himself.

1479
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 2: And I.

1480
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 4: Said, here, we ain't got a pot to pissing or

1481
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 4: window the throat out of. And you talking about getting

1482
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 4: the president some power? I said, you niggas got some nerves.

1483
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 4: And I was talking. I went to Howard, he went

1484
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 4: to Morehouse. So we always were picking on each other,

1485
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 4: and that's the only thing he'd kid you about. But

1486
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:19,879
Speaker 4: when we got back home.

1487
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: He said, you can tell you what's about more house men.

1488
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: You can tell morehouse men.

1489
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean that was my line. I said,

1490
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 4: you more houseman got more nerve than a brass ass monkey.

1491
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 4: You ain't got a pot to pisson or when did

1492
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 4: to throw it out of? And yet you're gonna get

1493
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 4: the presidents of Paul.

1494
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 8: What did he say?

1495
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 4: He just said, we're gonna get the president of Paul

1496
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 4: who have it. When we got back two days later,

1497
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 4: Amelia Boyton called and said she was on the way

1498
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 4: to see us from Selma. Now Melia Boytan had been

1499
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 4: in Selma since nineteen thirty two, that's the year I

1500
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 4: was born, and She went there at eighteen with George

1501
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 4: Washington Carver to teach sharecrop of women how to feed

1502
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 4: their children in the midst of the recession. And so

1503
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 4: they were doing things like smashing beans.

1504
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Everybody else's story, but what happened in Selma.

1505
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 4: But in Selma when we got to the office, she

1506
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 4: called and said she was there to see doctor King,

1507
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 4: and she and three preachers came in and told what

1508
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 4: was happening in Selma and said we have to you

1509
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 4: have to help us. And this was just before Christmas.

1510
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 4: So he said, well, right after Christmas, we'll come over.

1511
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 4: And you know, everybody has an Emancipation Day celebration on

1512
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 4: the first of January, and so we didn't have it

1513
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 4: on the first of January because that was that was

1514
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 4: the first Sunday, and that's the reason was that threw

1515
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 4: everything off. But we had it on the second Sunday,

1516
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 4: and it was we didn't have it on Sunday, we

1517
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 4: had it on Tuesday. And so but that's when we

1518
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 4: started to sell them a movement. Ninety days later, Lynnon

1519
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 4: Johnson was on television saying we shall overcome.

1520
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: So back up.

1521
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 5: So it's an important part of this is doctor King

1522
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 5: made a commitment to go to Selma. If he had

1523
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,759
Speaker 5: shown up in Selma, the police wouldn't have attacked John Lewis.

1524
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 5: They would't have attacked you. The wouldn't have attacked Doctor

1525
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 5: King strategically on a bad move. They would have let

1526
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 5: doctor King march. But doctor King got the wrong date.

1527
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 5: That's what he That's what just again, history for him

1528
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 5: is just like talking about like that's a monitor. He

1529
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 5: just glossed over it. They they told him that lady

1530
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 5: in Selma a date, but they, oh, I can't come

1531
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 5: on that date. That's the first Sunday I got to

1532
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 5: be in my church. So he stayed back and sent

1533
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 5: and he sent Andy Young beast Young, I called him

1534
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 5: Bass Young to go there for him, like, make sure

1535
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 5: that the like is in trouble. Don't let anybody march.

1536
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 5: He got there and said, well, these people will march anyway,

1537
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 5: but well they're gona probably turn us around, so don't

1538
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 5: worry about it.

1539
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 4: Well, three hundred people in the country town. That's a

1540
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 4: lot of folk.

1541
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 5: So they didn't turn him around. They let him march.

1542
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 5: But then the then the troopers ran. That's that famous

1543
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 5: film where they ran over everybody and they and they

1544
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 5: knocked John Lewis out. All that was an accident. I mean,

1545
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 5: it wasn't supposed to happen because Doctor King was supposed

1546
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 5: to be there. It was have been a proper speech.

1547
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 5: So all of because Doctor King had to be in

1548
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 5: his church on first Sunday and they got the date wrong.

1549
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,879
Speaker 2: So that called John Louis accidental trouble then.

1550
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 4: And then he used to talk about good trouble and.

1551
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: So that then triggered three months later.

1552
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't that that. That was the first

1553
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 4: of March. Yeah, it was fourth of July. And what

1554
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 4: happened He signed the Civil Rights Bill. Wow, and that

1555
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 4: gave us the right to vote.

1556
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 5: Wow, got him some power to the black boys from

1557
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 5: from the South flipping the President of the United States.

1558
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 2: You've been very generous with your time.

1559
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 4: Man.

1560
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 2: His interview has been longer than the documentary by the way, Okay,

1561
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 2: but we appreciate it. And I want to leave on

1562
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 2: this the Dirty Work.

1563
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 3: If if the Dirty Work documentary could teach one lesson

1564
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 3: to this generation and the next generation or organizes, what

1565
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 3: what would.

1566
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 2: You want it to be?

1567
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I called it the Dirty Work, But

1568
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 4: when I kind of realized I had no purpose in life.

1569
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 4: And the way I decided, I said, if there's something

1570
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 4: that I think needs doing and nobody else wants to

1571
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 4: do it, that's my job. And that's the way I

1572
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 4: defined my calling. When I went to work with doctor King,

1573
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 4: nobody wanted to work with him. He didn't have anybody there,

1574
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 4: and so I've started, well, whytt Walker was coming down,

1575
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 4: but he hadn't gotten there yet. And it's and once

1576
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 4: I got there, most of the stuff that nobody wanted

1577
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 4: to know. Nobody wanted to go sit down and argue

1578
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 4: with white folks. And I didn't argue because I would

1579
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 4: I would be cool. But if Jose had gone, he

1580
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 4: would want to. It would have been an argument because

1581
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 4: he had to argue about everything. But that was my role,

1582
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 4: which was which I did, though I didn't necessarily like

1583
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 4: it to be in that role all the time, but it.

1584
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: So, what's the lesson for this generation less than just.

1585
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 4: This generation, is there is some dirty work in any

1586
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 4: struggle for freedom. But dirty work could be hard work,

1587
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 4: dirty work could be thoughtful work, you know, whatever nobody

1588
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 4: else wants to do. Like we didn't want to mess

1589
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 4: with money. And John decided that he was going to

1590
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 4: teach folks how to that you can't be free without voting,

1591
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,599
Speaker 4: but neither can you be free if you broke. And

1592
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 4: so teaching people how to manage money, how to save money,

1593
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 4: how to invest money, how to know the meaning of money,

1594
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 4: to your salvation and survival, that's another issue altogether. But

1595
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 4: communications is an issue.

1596
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 5: And so don't be afraid of doing the dirty work.

1597
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 5: Embrace it. It is noble work. It's not dirty work.

1598
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that right?

1599
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 4: That's not only is a noble work, is is the

1600
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 4: kind of work that has to be done.

1601
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 5: So when when when Charlemagne was doing that internship way

1602
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 5: back when, and that in that first radio program, and

1603
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 5: when people noticed you, that was the dirty work. Absolutely,

1604
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 5: I'm sure you've done dirty work in your career. You've

1605
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 5: always not been both of you and I always been

1606
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 5: sitting here prime time. You had to hustle, You've had

1607
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 5: to do things and jobs nobody else wanted.

1608
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 2: I still do the dirty work now, m maybe.

1609
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 4: Ybe.

1610
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,839
Speaker 5: And the work you're doing with with mental health, the foundation,

1611
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 5: you're doing the stuff that nobody sees. The conversation that

1612
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 5: we have that at two in the morning about about

1613
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 5: life in general, all that's the dirty work and raising

1614
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 5: your children is the most honorable version, raising your pain,

1615
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 5: paying school fees. Like, we've got to be about the basic.

1616
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 5: We got to get back to the basics and be

1617
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 5: about we and not just about me. That's really who

1618
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 5: he is. And I spent most of his interview trying

1619
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 5: to draw him out.

1620
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 2: This was good.

1621
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: You can see him.

1622
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,440
Speaker 2: This is good.

1623
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 3: John O'Brien, thank you for bringing this, this, this walking memorial,

1624
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 3: this iconic, this icon living. Mister Andrew Young, thank you

1625
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 3: for coming.

1626
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 4: Brother, Thank you for having men.

1627
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 3: That's right, and check out the dirty work of this

1628
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 3: Friday on What's It's.

1629
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 1: A Peak ib globally.

1630
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 3: On MSNBC globally, nine pm, nine pm this Friday. Thank you, brother,

1631
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 3: thank you, and thank all of your audience. Yes, sir,

1632
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:42,759
Speaker 3: this is a good.

1633
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:47,440
Speaker 4: This is college on the radio.

1634
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:48,799
Speaker 2: I like that.

1635
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 4: That's a word if you didn't have money to go

1636
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:52,919
Speaker 4: to college listening.

1637
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, thank you. It's the Breakfast Club.

1638
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 1: Every day a week ago up Breakfast Club. We are

1639
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: finished for yar dumb