1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: It's Christmas in July. Front Office Unfiltered JB. Jim Bowden 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: with USR resident GM with a fantastic Foul Territory sweatshirt 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: right now the hoodie, JB. I'm going to start with 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: the Toronto Blue Jays. Why because if they do decide 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: we are all out selling, it looks like they have 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: some pieces that go beyond just who is going to 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: be a free agent this year. So can you walk 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: me through the decision process for this team right now? 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: And then some of the assets they could sell in 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: a seller's market? 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Scott. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: And by the way, four days right and four hours 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: and we get to the deadline. It's going to be 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: a fun four days, especially over the weekend, I think. 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 3: But great to be back with you and AJ and Eric. 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: I love this time of year. It is a holiday 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 3: for me for sure. So for the Blue Jays, I mean, 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: obviously you know where you are. You're not getting to 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 3: the playoffs, so you're at the deadline. The first thing 20 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: you're going to do, if you're Mark Schapira and Ross 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Atkins is you're going to try to trade your expiring 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: on track. 23 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: So that's the highlights. 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: Our headliners are Kevin Gosman and Shane Bieber out of 25 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: their rotation, centerfielder Dalton var Show, and designated hitter George Springer. 26 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: Those are the four names that you're out there hoping 27 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: to move between now and the deadline, hoping you get 28 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: a decent return of prospects in that group. But then 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: you also want to make sure that you have an 30 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: open mind with the rest of you of your roster, 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: because this is an opportunity. It's a seller's market for sure. 32 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: We all know that, because why twenty two teams are 33 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: within three and a half games of the playoffs right now, 34 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: So it's a seller's market. So you're listening to all 35 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: this Mason Miller talk, right and you're listening to how 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: the Yankees are open to putting Dax Kilby in the deal, 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: and you're listening to all these teams willing to pony up. 38 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: And then you're like, well, I've got Lewis Varlin and 39 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: his numbers are similar to Mason Miller, you know, And 40 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: although you want him to be on your team next 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: year when you hope you're contending again, you know, to 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: trade a closer to rebuild a system or to rebuild 43 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: a major league team makes a lot of sense. So 44 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: I think you have to listen on Lewis Arland and 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: so the teams that are playing on Mason Miller you 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: want to jump on if you're in Toronto, and at 47 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: the very least at least listen to what teams have 48 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: to say or what they might offer for Varland, who 49 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: could be a difference maker for someone in October. 50 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: So that's basically the approach the blue Jays are taking. 51 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 4: The blue Jay is going to have to pair a 52 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: Jeff Hoffman in with somebody so that they get rid 53 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 4: of that salary leaf, but also try to convince a 54 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 4: team there's still value there. We just couldn't extract it. 55 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 4: As a Blue Jays team. 56 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: It's hard to convince other teams players that aren't performing 57 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: and producing. 58 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: You're not going to trick anybody. 59 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: But there are times, sure where at the end of 60 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: a trade you say, look, I can make this deal 61 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: for that package, but you got to take one of 62 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: my bad contracts with it. You got to take Hoffman 63 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: or we can't do it, And then you see what 64 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: the team says. So sure, I think a selling team 65 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: always at the deadline if they have an opportunity to 66 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: get out of a bad contract and take advantage of 67 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: a team that really wants one of your players. You 68 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: definitely try to take advantage of that. 69 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 5: Jim you mentioned Shane Bieber. Shane Bieber went back to 70 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 5: Toronto because he loved it. He was also injured and 71 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 5: took to opt it in instead of opting out. 72 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 6: And everyone said, oh, why Shane Bieber doing this? Well, 73 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 6: he loved it. 74 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: Is it hard as a GM to trade somebody like that? 75 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 5: You know, I'll even use Kevin Gosman, right, who's been 76 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 5: there for a while. He's been very effective there, And 77 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 5: you say, man, I got to trade this guy, but 78 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 5: I know he loves it in my organization. Is that 79 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 5: the hardest type of trade to make? 80 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: I don't think it's the hardest kind of trade to make, 81 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: because you're just trying to get better and you're trying 82 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: to win, and you know. 83 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: You always want to be loyal to your players. 84 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: You always want to be loyal to the good people, 85 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: your friends with them, right, you have relationships with them, 86 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: but you're paid to build your organization, whether it's short 87 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: term or long term, and you can't let emotion get 88 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: in the way for that. Now, in terms of these 89 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: two guys, are kind of different. 90 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: You know. 91 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: Shane Bieber is kind of tricky right now because he 92 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: had that great start at the start before last night 93 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: and it was like, wow, you know, teams are seeing 94 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: that maybe I can do really well, and last night 95 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: he has six walks and then the teams are going 96 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: to look and go, I don't know about the health 97 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: risk and all that kind of thing. So he's a 98 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: guy that's probably a player game later kind of deal, 99 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: Whereas depending on how he performs for you will determine 100 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: what I get in return. So you're gonna have to 101 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: be open minded with that. With Kevin Gosman, you're gonna 102 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: ask for a return bigger than what he's producing because 103 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 3: you're gonna point to what he's been able to. 104 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: Do in the postseason. 105 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: He's had postseason success, and you're a contending team and 106 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: you want to win and you don't have enough pitching 107 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: and that's why you're calling me. So you're gonna have 108 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: to pay a higher price than what he's worth. So Bieber, 109 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to be more flexible. Gosman, you're gonna 110 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: ask for more than what his value is. 111 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 4: Right now, is this uncharted territory for gms who the 112 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 4: entire season. They went from World Series Game seven to 113 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: pushing essentially pushing all in as much as a good 114 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 4: team can in the offseason, building this team to be 115 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: really good, and now compartmentalizing and saying, crap, we suck. 116 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 4: Right now, we have to move in a different direction 117 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 4: because the teams are selling. Usually rebuild, but they're not rebuilding, 118 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: they're just selling off. Is that hard for a GM 119 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: to shift in the span of a five month period. 120 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: And not with the kind of experience that Mark Shapiro has. Look, 121 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: there's a reason why he's won Executive the Year multiple times, 122 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: you know, with Cleveland, with Toronto. I mean, obviously he 123 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: knows what he's doing. And Mark's experienced everything. He's experienced winning. 124 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: You know, he was in last place the year before 125 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: he got to the World Series, so he's been in 126 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: every role that's been in there. 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You traded 159 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 5: them to the White Sox team that I was on 160 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 5: in two thousand and eight. 161 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 6: Now it's not the same level. 162 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 5: It's not even close to Kangrivy Junior. But Salvador Perez 163 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 5: has been a lifer in Kansas City. He's probably going 164 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 5: to the Hall of Fame. I think he should stay 165 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 5: in Kansas City for as long as he wants. 166 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 6: Again, not my call. How do you make this work? 167 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 6: How do you call King Griffy Junior? Again? 168 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 5: I know I'm not comparing Salvador Prez to King Griffey Junior, 169 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: But how do you call that guy and say, hey, man, 170 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: I think we really should move on and there's teams 171 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 5: out there that we can get something for. 172 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 6: How does that conversation go? 173 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, just to be clear, I traded 174 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: for Ken Griffy Junior. I did not trade Ken Coffee Junior. 175 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: He was gone after that, So I just want the 176 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 3: record clear on that I love Junior and I don't. 177 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: Know sorry trade. 178 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: I bet I could trade for him, but I understand 179 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: your point. You know, when you get to the end 180 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: of your career and you can't perform. And I did 181 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: have that situation with Barry Larkin, a Hall of Famer 182 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: who also worked for me in the front office when 183 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: I went to the Nationals. But I had that situation 184 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: with Barry where you know, agent Declined got him. He 185 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: wasn't the same player, and so how does it work. 186 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: You go to him, you go to his agent, and 187 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: you just be honest, you know, and say, you know, look, 188 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: agent Decline, is there we need to move on and 189 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: get younger. You know, will you wave your no trade 190 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: or would you you know, we know what you mean 191 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: to this franchise, or do you want to finish your 192 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: career here? And if he says I want to finish 193 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: his career here, then I'm going to honor that period. 194 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: If he wants to get traded, okay, I'll move the player. 195 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: But I got to be honest with what we're seeing 196 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: on the field. So look, it's difficult now. In Salvador Perez, 197 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: the right move would have been to trade him two 198 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: years ago. Right, if you're going to trade him, he 199 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: knew Carter Jensen was coming. Blake Mitchell's on the way. 200 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: You knew that. 201 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: But Salvador Perez is different. He's the face of the franchise. 202 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: He's never going to be traded. He's going to finish 203 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: his career as a royal. He's going to go to 204 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame as a royal. And it's a 205 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: good thing for baseball when that happens. George Brett experienced 206 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: that with the same team. Tony Gwynn did it in 207 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: San Diego, Barry Larkin did it in Cincinnati. I love 208 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: when it happens. I think Mike Trout's going to do 209 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: it with the Angels. I don't think he's ever going 210 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: to be traded from that team, to be honest, and 211 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: I think that's okay for baseball when it happens. But 212 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: I think when you're running the team, you have to 213 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: go to Salvador Perez and say, look, we've got Carter Jensen, 214 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 3: he's ready. We're not a contending team. You're at the 215 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: back end. Would you like to go to a contender? 216 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: Would you like a chance to play in October? We 217 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: got a lot of teams right now looking for catching. 218 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: Do you want to go? 219 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 3: And then he looks you in the eye, and he says, no, 220 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: I want to finish my career here, And then you 221 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 3: look in in the eye and say, well, that's what 222 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 3: we're going to do. 223 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: Then let's go a team that will never keep anybody 224 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: for their entire career the race. If you're the general 225 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: manager of the race, fans are clamoring to make a 226 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: big move just because the Rays don't do that. Do 227 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: you look at this roster and say, yes, this is 228 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 4: the roster that if we make a big move, we 229 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: can win the World Series because the American League is down. 230 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: So my personal opinion, if you're asking that, is yes, 231 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question. 232 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: This is the best chance that. 233 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: Eric Neander has of getting the Raise back to the 234 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: World Series. Andrew Friedman was running the Rays the last 235 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 3: time they got there. But I do believe this is 236 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: the best team since then that can get to the 237 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: World Series. Now, what I would do sometimes is different 238 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: what they would do, And who really cares what I 239 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: would do. We care what they're going to do. So 240 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: this is what I was told directly from the rais 241 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: they are looking right now for an impact position player. 242 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,119 Speaker 3: When I asked what position, they said, probably an outfielder 243 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: because that's the easiest to accommodate. I'm not sure where 244 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: that comes from. They answered, bullpen always and then came 245 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: the and of course an impact arm if it's there, 246 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: And that's the quote unquote Schooble response, right that we're 247 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: all expecting. But Tampa Bay is willing to trade their 248 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: top prospects to get impact to try to go for it. 249 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: Right now, they know that they're never going to have 250 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: a huge window based on the present infrastructure of not 251 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 3: having any kind of cap their window to ever win 252 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: a World Series is always going to be small. And 253 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: when you get there, and when you have a shot 254 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: is when you got to roll up your big boy 255 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: pants and make that move. And that time is now, 256 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: and it's here. We'll see what Eric Naima can do. 257 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 5: All right, Well, then that leads you to our next 258 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 5: question to another team in the same kind of predicament. 259 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 6: I know they have to go through the Dodgers. 260 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 5: The Brewers. 261 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 6: You're saying the Raids are ready to do it. Will 262 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 6: the Brewers and Matt Arnold. 263 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 5: Be ready to take that next step because their window 264 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 5: has been here, they have another great record, right and 265 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: they haven't been able to get to the World series. 266 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 6: Will they make that move? 267 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course it's challenging in a small market, right. 268 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 3: I mean I covered the Brewers Dodgers series last year 269 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: and there was just such a mismatch. When one team 270 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: supends three hundred million more per season than you do. 271 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: I mean, you just look at the teams that we 272 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: all get it. But here's the fun part about Milwaukee. 273 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: If you're able to trade for Trek Scooble, you can 274 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: beat the Dodgers this year if you run out there 275 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: Miserowski and schoobl in Games one and two and Kyle 276 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: Harrison comes back healthy and he's pitching Game three with 277 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 3: the bullpen. They have the offense they have, how they 278 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: can move the chains, how they're athletic, how they catch 279 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: the ball. They can beat the Dodgers in a short 280 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: series if they do that. So I'm being told that 281 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: they are in on schoobl for sure. And I will 282 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: say this if he's traded, which I don't know. Scott 283 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: Harris doesn't know. I don't know if he's going to 284 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: be traded, but if he is, I will tell you 285 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: this right now. I think the Brewers are the most 286 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: likely landing spot. I'll rank them one Dodgers, two, Braves, three, 287 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 3: Tampa four in that order. The Brewers farm system is 288 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: as good as any team out there that's trying to 289 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: get him. 290 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: They also have so much depth. 291 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: When you talk about the best prospect in baseball, Tezu Moday, 292 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: he's not going anywhere. But they got Lewis Payne, you too, 293 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: who's nineteen years old. He's got a chance for your superstar, 294 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 3: and he'd be the number one prospect in most organizations. 295 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: You can afford to deal him if you want to, 296 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: because you have made you have Cooper pret you have enough. 297 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 3: You can give them a starter to go back and 298 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: Brandon Sprode, who you picked up when for Peralta, who 299 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: was a rental, So no problem putting him back in. 300 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: And then you can sweepen the pot with maybe Tyson 301 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: Harden the pitcher, maybe Andrew Fisher. 302 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: The third baseman. You have enough there. 303 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: And remember this, Mark Antonasio, the owner in two thousand 304 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: and eight, made the deal for Sabathia. Gave them a 305 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: shot to win a World Series. They didn't do it, 306 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: but gave them a shot. Mark Antonasio has told Matt Arnold, 307 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: green light, go do it. I'm ready, here we go, 308 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna make a run at it. 309 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: If he is traded, I give them as good a 310 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: shot as the Dodgers and anybody else in getting him. 311 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: And by the way, if I'm the Union, I want 312 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: that to happen, right. 313 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: I don't want. 314 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: Schooble going to the Dodgers. If I'm the Union, have 315 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: the Dodgers win again. If he goes to Milwaukee and wins, 316 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: and you have a Milwaukee Tampa Bay World Series, good 317 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: luck arguing for a hard cap. 318 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 2: If Scooble goes to the Dodgers. 319 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: And they win the World Series, Okay, no baseball in 320 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: twenty seven, and then I don't get to come on 321 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: this show every week. 322 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 4: Oh then we need you even more to talk about 323 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: even though they're not playing. We need to talk about wins, 324 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 4: the negotiations they're going to end. Is this equal for 325 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: fans who weren't around in two thousand and eight? Is 326 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 4: this equal to the Doug Melvin move of getting CC 327 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: Sabbathia to the Brewers? If Trek Scouble comes over to 328 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: the Brewers. 329 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: I think it's bigger. 330 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: I do because I think it's I've got miss and Schooble. 331 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: I got the two best pitchers in each league in 332 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: a short series against the best team in the world, 333 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: and I can beat you with that, So I think 334 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: it's bigger. I think it's more significant. It really puts 335 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: the Brewers in a position where they can be the 336 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: best team in the world. So yeah, I think it's uh. 337 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: I think it would change everything, the whole landscape, and really, 338 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: I think it'd be great for the sport. To be honest, 339 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: I think it's bigger than Milwaukee. I think it's great 340 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: for the industry if that can happen. So I'm rooting for. 341 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: You know, Matt Arnold was my last hire when I 342 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: was the GM of the Cincinnati Reds. He's won two 343 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: Executive the Year Awards. He gets Schooble, who went a 344 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: third in a row, and that's never happened before. 345 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: So I'm rooting for. He's a good friend of. 346 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 5: Mine, Jim. That's what's wrong with him. 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Right, we just had Bob 383 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 5: maightingale On and he said he doesn't think they're going 384 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 5: to do a whole lot because they don't want a 385 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 5: mortgage the future. You recently said they're going to bye 386 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 5: bye bye. So which one is it? Which one of 387 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 5: you insiders Jim is going to be correct? Am I 388 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 5: going to be happy with you? Or am I going 389 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 5: to be sad with Bob? 390 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: Well? 391 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, you know, I can't make 392 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: the trades for Chris Getz, but I can definitely tell 393 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: you what Chris gets is doing without coming from sources. 394 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: I can promise you that he's got three things that 395 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: he's trying to do. He's trying to get a starting pitcher, 396 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: He's trying to get a catcher, and he's trying to 397 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: get a reliever, and he's out there doing those three things. 398 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: That's not guessing, that's not conjecture, that's just facts that's 399 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: been confirmed by both the White Sox front office as 400 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: well as opposing GM So I know exactly what he's 401 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: trying to do. Now, just because you're trying to do 402 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you're going to be able to. 403 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: Make the deals. 404 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: But you know, the White Sox do have a very 405 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: deep farm system and they have enough to make trades. Now, 406 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: do I think he's going to be able to get 407 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: all three things that he's searching for. No, that normally 408 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: doesn't happen. But I also will tell you clearly, I 409 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: do not expect him to be inactive. He knows he 410 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: can win this division. He's gonna finish the job. I 411 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: have confidence in Chris Gatz, So at the end of 412 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 3: the day, you'll be happy with me. 413 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: At six o'clock on Monday. 414 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: What level catcher is Chris gets going for with uncertainty 415 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: of when Kyle Thial's coming back. 416 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: Well, Teal is a long term catcher, so you know 417 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 3: we're not looking for a frontline catcher. So we're talking 418 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 3: about maybe Lewis Torrens the of the New York Mets. 419 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: Maybe it's Leam Hicks of the Miami Marlins. Maybe it's 420 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: Brandon Valenzuela or the Toronto Blue Jays. Maybe it's Caba 421 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: Ruiz of the Washington Nationals. Maybe it's Tyler Stevenson of 422 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Reds. Look, we're not talking about a star player. 423 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 3: I think you know, we'd love to get Francisco Alvarez, 424 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: but he's not going to give up what it takes 425 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: to get an Alvarez when he's got Kyle Teal eventually 426 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: going to be his catcher there. So you know, we're 427 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: talking about an upgrade a catcher in terms of depth. 428 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: So I think you're looking at those type of names 429 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: and not more. I'm not talking about the Hunter Goodman's right, 430 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the Adley Rutchmans. I'm talking about 431 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 3: those kind of names, and I do think Liam Hicks 432 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: would be a good fit. Look, I know he's not 433 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: a great defensive catcher. I get that, but he can 434 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: swing the pole and he would certainly help offensively at 435 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: that position for the White Sox. Also can DH and 436 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: also can play some first base as well. So I 437 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: think that'd be a really good fit. I like what 438 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: I saw with Vealezuela when Alejandro Kirk was out. I 439 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: think that would be a nice little pickup for the 440 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: White Sox as well. So I think that's the kind 441 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: of the group of catchers that you're looking at all. 442 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 5: Right, Well, then, Jim, I mean I'd be excited with 443 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 5: all those But a lot of those guys consider themselves stars. 444 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: And what did Blue Jays make that decision? Will it 445 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 5: be Valenzuela over Kirk? Is that what you're hearing? More? 446 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 6: Because I asked this question the other day, which one 447 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 6: of them? 448 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 5: What they move? 449 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 6: You think he'd rather keep Kirk? 450 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: Yes? I do? Yeah? 451 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 6: Is that because he's locked up long term? 452 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: I didn't ask why. That's just the impression that I got. 453 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: It's Kirk over Valezuela. 454 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 5: Okay, that's that's fair. And then what about Hunter Goodman? 455 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 5: Have you heard anything on Hunter Goodman? Because he's also 456 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 5: a name that's been bandied about. 457 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know if I haven't 458 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: heard any tractionable minimum of the deal actually getting done, 459 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: but they will listen on Goodman, and look, they don't 460 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: want to trade Goodman. Is the only All Star of 461 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: the last two years. He's got thirty home runs. He's 462 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 3: a star player. But you have to also understand that 463 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: if you can trade him and get four pieces back 464 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: that can help build your franchise, you have to do it. 465 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of assets to rebuild this team. 466 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: So outside of drafting international, you know, amateur players, how 467 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: is she going to do it? You have limited funds 468 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: and free agencies. You don't play there. You don't have 469 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: a lot to trade. So at the end of the day, 470 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: if you trade your star player and turn them into 471 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 3: four players, that's where it makes sense. So you know, 472 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: do they have that kind of offer on the table. No, 473 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 3: But will they listen, Yes, they are listening. 474 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 4: Is this the time of the year as a GM 475 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: that you would go to your star player with an 476 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 4: extension and then they turn it down and you say, okay, 477 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: as an organization, we feel like it's time to move you. 478 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, look, we had this discussion. 479 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: Let's just go back to the Tigers again. You've got 480 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: schoobl and Casey myz now I said in the offseason 481 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: you got to sign them to long term deals or 482 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: trade them and they didn't do it. Okay, why because 483 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: they think they could win this year and then if 484 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: they walk, they walk, But we want so. Now we're 485 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: sitting here at the trade deadline. The Tigers are three 486 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 3: and a half out in the wildcard, They're five out 487 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: in the division. Now they're at the same situation. Are 488 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: you gonna sign them long term? Are you gonna hold 489 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: them and lose and just get draft picks, or are 490 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: you gonna trade them and rebuild and throw the towel 491 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: in like They've got to make that decision by Monday 492 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: at six o'clock. 493 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: But there is no doubt. 494 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: If I have an expiring contract and I like the 495 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 3: player and I want the player, I'm going to that 496 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: player right now and his agent and I'm making one 497 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 3: last ditch to extend them. And I'm gonna tell them 498 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: if you don't extend, we're probably gonna trade you. 499 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be is very honest with them. 500 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: And then if they come back and say, look, I'm 501 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: not signing, I'm getting to free agency, Okay, fine, then 502 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: you understand. 503 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: I've got to do what I've got to do. 504 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: But look, if I trade you, I want you to 505 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: know that I want you to come calling back in 506 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 3: November because we want you. We're only trading you because 507 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 3: I can't let you walk somewhere else and just get 508 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: a draft pick. And that's that's basically how you're supposed 509 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: to handle it, or should handle it. 510 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, not every team does it the same way, Jim. 511 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 5: You know that, we know that, we know that that's 512 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 5: all works. Hey, anywhere I go in baseball these days, 513 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 5: all I hear about is analytics and data and exit 514 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 5: velocity and pitch grips and spin rates and all this 515 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 5: inverted vertical break and everything that you're hearing about. It 516 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 5: can all be found with rap Sodo. It can all 517 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 5: be delivered to any level baseball. 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So whether you're building a 528 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: program developing players, we're just tired of guessing, go to 529 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: rapsodo dot com and learn more data wins. Rapsodo helps 530 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: you use it. 531 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: Did you? 532 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna consult your intelligence. I know you 533 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 5: saw what Bryce Harper said. I didn't have a problem 534 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 5: with what he said because it's what every player basically 535 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: says when they're in this situation. If you put a 536 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 5: microphone in twenty six players on every team that's in attention, 537 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: they'd be like, yeah, we need help. We'd love to 538 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 5: have another starter or another bat every team, every guy 539 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: that's competitive with say that, right. But the thing is 540 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 5: that Mattingly comes back, and I just I had forgotten 541 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 5: that Mattingly's son is the GM. So when Bryce says 542 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 5: we need more help, it's not I don't think it 543 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 5: was an intentional shot at Don Mattingly and his family, 544 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 5: But how do you handle that if you're the president 545 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 5: of Baseball ops, if you're Don Don Browski, you have 546 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 5: one of your best players and now your manager. And again, 547 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 5: I don't think either what either one what they said 548 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 5: was a big deal, but it's just odd timing. 549 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: Okay, so we all remember what Dave Dobrowski said about 550 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: Bryce Harper. That's not an elite player anymore, right, I 551 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: mean we remember that, right. Do I want my president 552 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: saying that about my player publicly? No, say it behind 553 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: the scenes. So if the president's allowed to say that, 554 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 3: the player's allowed to tell the truth, isn't he? 555 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: Bryce Harper didn't say anything we don't already know. Right? 556 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: This is a Stars and Scrubs team, right, This team 557 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: is built better for October than one hundred and sixty 558 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 3: two games, and they're trying to get there. They're o 559 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: and eleven when they're in the last eleven starts. By 560 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: their fifth starter, they're own eleven. I don't won a game. 561 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 3: Their fourth and fifth starters are five and twenty one 562 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: in their last twenty six games. Like, you might not 563 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 3: get to October if you don't fix this, Like you 564 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: need a back of rotation started to get there. When 565 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 3: you get there, you can go with a three man 566 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: rotation and maybe you run the table great, or maybe 567 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: Andrew Painter throws better, comes back up and holds his own. 568 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: Maybe Aaron Nola's starts to throw better, but I doubt it. So, yeah, 569 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: you need a starter. You don't have enough offense. We're 570 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: all watching the same thing in the outfield, aren't we? 571 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: Like you know, it's if Harper and Schwarber, Trey, Turner 572 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: and marsh aren't hitting, you're not scoring runs. So we 573 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: all need help. And I don't care if a player 574 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: says that's the truth. Everyone knows that, fans know it, 575 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: the media knows it. Dave knows it. But I think 576 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: Bryce saying it probably had something to do with what 577 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: Dave said about him. So if Dave wants to criticize 578 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: Bryce Harper as a player, why isn't it fair for 579 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: Bryce Harper to come back and say this team isn't 580 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: good enough. You're a future Hall of Fame executive. 581 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: We all know that. 582 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: But this team right here has holes it shouldn't have 583 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: in the back of the rotation, it has holes. 584 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: In the outfield. 585 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: We need a right hand hitter, We need another bat, 586 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 3: We need a deeper lineup, a deeper rotation, We need 587 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: another reliever. I have no problem. If the President's going 588 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: to criticize a player, why can't a player come back? 589 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: Both of them were being honest, right, Neither one was lying. 590 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: Neither one anything personally, but they both said what they 591 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: felt like professionally. 592 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. 593 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like them challenging each other a little bit. 594 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: I love what Bryce said, and also JB. Let's not 595 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: forget that this team made it to the World Series 596 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: several years ago at this point, and then they've had 597 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: some disappointment in the playoffs. I know, maybe nobody was 598 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: stopping what the Dodgers had this past postseason, but the 599 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: offense has looked top heavy at times, and then the 600 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: stars I don't want to say choke, but they don't 601 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: show up. And then all of a sudden, this team's 602 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: not scoring enough runs in the postseason. And then didn't 603 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: we have Bryce Harper's representation. Boris come out this past 604 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: offseason saying he need a little help. I don't remember 605 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: this offseason their last offseason, right, give him a little 606 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: more protection in the lineup. So you add all that up. 607 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: The one follow up I have on this is from 608 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: Don Mattingly's response. You've known him and covered him for years. 609 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: Done super nice. I would say, more of a low 610 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: key guy. So to me, what stood out was him saying, 611 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: guys want to be a GM for what you need 612 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: without a real understanding of where the organization is, exactly 613 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: where this thing goes, not only this year, but moving forward. 614 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Players like being gms and making calls and spending other 615 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: people's money. I'll just let it go at that. My 616 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: comment was, that's a lot for Donnie. That's him taking 617 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: his big shot, saying, hey, I don't love what was 618 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: thrown out there just now. 619 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, as you said, his son is a 620 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 3: general manager, right, he'd like to keep his job. Dave 621 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 3: Dombrowski has a great relationship with Alex Cora. I called 622 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: him a future Hall of Fame manager. Alex Cora probably 623 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: is going to come back and manage next year. Don's 624 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: trying to keep his job. So for don to want 625 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: to protect his son and wanting to protect the guy 626 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: that's going to decide if he gets to come back 627 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: next year, I think I probably would have done the 628 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: same thing. So I don't have a problem with don 629 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 3: saying that. I also, you know, I always preferred when 630 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: I was a GM to have everybody stay in their lane, right, 631 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: I mean I kind of felt like I personally didn't 632 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: want to criticize a player publicly, you know, I let 633 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: the player do the best he can will help and 634 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: support every way we can to make him the best 635 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 3: he could be. But I don't want them publicly criticizing me. 636 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 3: I had no problem behind the scenes saying what you want. 637 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 3: But I was criticized by players some at times, one 638 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: and one time in particular, and look it was I 639 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: understood it. 640 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: The player was actually right. What am I going to say? 641 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: Like, sometimes the truth hurts, but it's okay if the 642 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: comments are fair, and you know, part of the problem 643 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: is that, you know, we have to understand too, the 644 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 3: Phillies farm system is worse than people think. And when 645 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: you're sitting there in the seat and you're trying to 646 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: make the team better and you don't have enough to trade, 647 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: it makes it hard. 648 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: Right, your two. 649 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: Best players, Andrew Paynter, you know, is not the same 650 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 3: since coming back from Tommy John, but you don't want 651 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: to give up on them because with the upside is 652 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: the number one starter he ever gets healthy and gets 653 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: back there. Next is Aiden Miller, your best position player, 654 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: and he's been hurt. After that, it drops off. You 655 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 3: don't have a lot, and so it's hard to compete. 656 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: It's hard to It's hard for both matting Lye and 657 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 3: Dombrowski to go out and make this team better. It's 658 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 3: challenging because other teams have better farm systems and you're 659 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: all chasing the same players. How are you going to 660 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 3: get them? I mean, let's just take even if they 661 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 3: wanted Schooble, just as an example, they don't have enough. 662 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: There's not even a conversation. It's dial tone that don't 663 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: waste your time. You don't have enough, but you're battling. 664 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 3: Even if you're battling, you know, Look, one of the 665 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: things they need is a right ending outfielder. Right, So 666 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 3: whether that be Lane Thomas or Lewis Robert, or Taylor 667 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 3: Ward or Teo Hernandez, whatever is going to be even 668 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 3: for a small piece like that. Seattle has more than 669 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: you do if that's what they want to right, If 670 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: they want Taylor Ward and the Phillies want them, Seattle's 671 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: going to get them. 672 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: You're not. 673 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: And so that's something you don't want to say publicly. 674 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: But at the same time, the players like Bryce Arper 675 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: probably doesn't really understand that part of it. It's not 676 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: as easy as oh, let's go kix that and snap 677 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: our fingers. 678 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point about the farm system. That's a real problem. 679 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: They can't swim in the deep end the same way 680 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: as others can. Right now, Okay, last part, and I'm 681 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: very curious on this one for you, all right, poor 682 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: Curtis Mead, Oh my goodness, I mean, the Red Sox 683 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: make this deal and it's the first game back, and 684 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: he sounds like a great kid and an awesome story, 685 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: and Boston does something that's maybe a little bit more 686 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: outside the lines compared to what they would usually do 687 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: in terms of player evaluation. Craig Bresloy even said that, 688 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: and I gave him credit. He's like, Hey, everyone evaluates 689 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: the same way on the same system. Now for us, 690 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: we just had a need. 691 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: We like this guy. 692 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: Here he comes and he could miss the entire season. 693 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: So thoughts on this and also what's next for Red 694 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: Sox scene that basically has to go back to the 695 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: drawing board JB and say, we again need a right 696 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: handed hitting infielder. 697 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so just stay on the phone with John mozay 698 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: loock until you get zag Natto. Just don't hang up 699 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: the phone and just keep working him over and over 700 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: again and just try to find a way. That's the pivot, 701 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: that's where you got to go, you know, in terms 702 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: of the Curtis Mead, Yeah, I mean I wrote this 703 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: at the Athletic and was very clear on GM territory 704 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: as well that the Washington Nationals won that trade. 705 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: Right. 706 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 3: But as theo Epstein said many years ago, the job 707 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: isn't to win trades. It's to win championships. It's to 708 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: win games. You can make a bad trade. If you 709 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: make a bad trade and it wins and you win, 710 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 3: I mean that's what you're trying to do, is win. 711 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, they made a bad trade. 712 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: Sure, I'll take the Conley early side all day long 713 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: versus Curtis me who's only done it for four months. 714 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: But that being said, they had a huge need since 715 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 3: Bregmant left. They got a guy that has finally made adjustment. 716 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: Looks like he's breaking out if they believe that it's real, 717 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: and he's got nineteen home runs. If you want to overpay, 718 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: you do it. I mean, it is not easy to 719 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: get a right hand hitter, as the Phillies ask the Mariners. 720 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 3: I mean they're not Red Sox aren't the only team 721 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: trying to get it. 722 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: They're not there. 723 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: So they decided to overpay with a starting pitcher with 724 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: less than a year service time, who is a mid rotation, 725 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: solid guy that's going to be one hundred and eighty 726 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: innings South Paw for years to come. They're overpaid, I 727 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: get it, but they got the piece they felt they need, 728 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: So I don't criticize. I don't size him for pulling 729 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: the trigger, and I credit him like you do, for 730 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: being giving an honest assessment that they were paid. 731 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: And that's okay. 732 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: But now you just take you, pick up your big 733 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: boy pants, roll up your sleeves, don't cry, don't worry 734 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: about it. You can't control injuries. It's part of the game. 735 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: And then go to the next trade. And again, John 736 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: Mozelex got your guy. You're not getting Jeremy Paanya. You're 737 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: not getting CJ. Abrams. You can try. You're not getting 738 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: La day of the cruise you you can try. But 739 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: Neto you probably can get. So just make that your 740 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: focus and just if you have to get on, get 741 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: on one of John Henry's planes and fly out to 742 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: Anaheim and just go to Newport. You know there's so 743 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 3: many great restaurants there and just hang out with John. Right, 744 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: buy him a nice pair of those ugly socks that 745 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: he wears as a president, give it to him and 746 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: just stay there and get in netto. 747 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, you can whine, dine and eventually hopefully 748 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: get your guy, JB. We love having you on Great Insight. 749 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: Thank you talk Jisson