WEBVTT - Introducing: How Did We Get Weird (with Langston Kerman)

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<v Speaker 1>Hi. I'm Vanessa Beyor and this is my brother Jonah.

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<v Speaker 1>We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood

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<v Speaker 1>and nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people

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<v Speaker 1>we are today, who are pretty cool if I do

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<v Speaker 1>say so myself. Welcome to how did we get weird? So, Jonah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for being on time today. Do you remember how

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<v Speaker 1>when we used to go to school growing up, it

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<v Speaker 1>was very hard for us to be on time? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember. Um well, before we could drive, remember

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the school bus and we could see it

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<v Speaker 1>out the front window of our house, so you would

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<v Speaker 1>be like frantically trying to get your backpack and shoes

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<v Speaker 1>on before the bus came, and then you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>see it coming and you try to like run. We

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<v Speaker 1>have super long driveway, so you'd have to run that

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<v Speaker 1>long driveway and then if you missed the bus, then

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<v Speaker 1>our parents had to drive us school. And um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, just like so, I mean I feel that's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe were like so much internalized anxiety come from like

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<v Speaker 1>just like knowing any second now the bus bus is

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<v Speaker 1>going to come with it, yeah, and we would always

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<v Speaker 1>cut it super close or miss the bus. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember once, uh, you and I had the same Doc

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<v Speaker 1>Martin like like high tops growing up. I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you call those high tops, but the

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<v Speaker 1>same Doc Martin boots and Um, one time I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to school. I think I was sick and you

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<v Speaker 1>were running really late for the bus, and you grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>mine and kind of ran to the bus half in them.

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<v Speaker 1>But then once you got to school you realized they

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<v Speaker 1>were too small on you. What's funny is I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember that, but I think that's the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that would happen to me, and I would just be

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, and I would like never. It wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>that big of a deal to me at that time

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. Yeah, it reminds me of the time

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<v Speaker 1>that I got called into the nurses office at school

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<v Speaker 1>because you're like piercing in your chin fell out, and

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<v Speaker 1>they she wanted me to help with it for like

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<v Speaker 1>sanitary reasons because we were related. Anyways, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of adventures going to school. I remember then. Once

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<v Speaker 1>we were in high school, we were alway is late

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<v Speaker 1>because you would make us late. Yeah, well you were

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<v Speaker 1>like an honor student. Um, I was not in any

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<v Speaker 1>honors program. I and I feel like we had to

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<v Speaker 1>be at school so seven thirty in the morning, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was always running late, and I felt like you

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<v Speaker 1>were basically late to first period probably almost every day

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<v Speaker 1>because of me. Yeah, but I also felt really cool

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<v Speaker 1>being late to school because of you, or just coming

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<v Speaker 1>to school with you in general, because you would blast

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<v Speaker 1>all this punk music and it it like really made

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<v Speaker 1>me feel cool to have that, like playing out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car when I was like, you know, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really a legit punk um that wasn't a legit punk

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<v Speaker 1>such as yourself, Jonah well, believe it or not. I

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<v Speaker 1>just remember like how weird it was parking in our

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<v Speaker 1>school parking lot because there would be like, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>I had like a folks like and Jetta, but then

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<v Speaker 1>there would be like super rich kids where I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>between like two Hummers and just how weird that seems

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<v Speaker 1>now for like these like sixteen year old kids to

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<v Speaker 1>have like sports cars totally. And I remember how weird

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<v Speaker 1>it was because we would pull in and everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>it into quiet music and our car was like like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the yelling guys, which I guess is hardcore,

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<v Speaker 1>which fan was yelling guys. They were all yelling guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It was always a song with yelling guys. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>had some Yeah, our dad's friend helped us get some,

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve in speakers I had in the trunk. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a really loud right with speakers and it feels

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<v Speaker 1>so unnecessary. It was like it was so unnecessary, but

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<v Speaker 1>it got so loud. But yeah, I mean that was

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like just love listening to love music in my car, which, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what if I pulled next to the cars playing love

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<v Speaker 1>of music. It's something I cannot even imagine myself doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to like, yeah, but it's better. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You were just the coolest Jonah, And thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>giving me so much cred. No problem, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know that was giving you credit. I thought you have been,

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<v Speaker 1>you have been our whole lives. So well, what a

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<v Speaker 1>sweet moment. Well you've you've done well for yourself too,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't don't sell yourself short. Thanks so much. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into our yes today, our guest today. We're

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<v Speaker 1>so was so excited to have him. He's an actor,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a writer, he's a comedian. You've seen him on Southside,

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<v Speaker 1>High Maintenance, The Boys and as Jared on Insecure and

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<v Speaker 1>his recent work on hbos Paused with Sam j. But

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<v Speaker 1>most importantly, he hosts a wildly popular podcast, My Mama

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<v Speaker 1>told me, please welcome Lankston Kerman. Wow. Can I say

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<v Speaker 1>that was the sweetest interaction I've ever I've dreamt of

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<v Speaker 1>having those interactions with my siblings of somebody just being like,

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<v Speaker 1>you've done pretty well for yourself. Too beautiful, But it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's Have you ever had someone tell you they've

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<v Speaker 1>you've given them a lot of Credit's a hard thing

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<v Speaker 1>to start a response to it is, and I I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't envy your position in that moment to have

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with a charming retort. It doesn't happen often.

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<v Speaker 1>That's unprecedented. Yeah, No, it was a tough spot to

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<v Speaker 1>be in. I too found myself to get the bus

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<v Speaker 1>to school, but I don't know that we had the

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<v Speaker 1>same bus experience. I wasn't. I wasn't often late because

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<v Speaker 1>the buses where most of the fights happened at my school,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Papa needed a front seat to whoever was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be punching each other in the head that day,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that was always exciting. Wow. Wow, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember a ton of fights on the buses with us,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, I think, yeah, they're the best fights. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say of all the fights, the bus fights are

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<v Speaker 1>the best because the space is super contained and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just uh, it can only last like twelve seconds before

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<v Speaker 1>like so, either an obstruction happened, somebody's body gets in

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<v Speaker 1>the way, or the bus driver pulls over, and now

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<v Speaker 1>an adult who we don't respect is involved. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>fun right right now. Were you ever involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>fights or were you just like kind of the audience. No, never,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a coward. I I I instigated fight. I chimed

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<v Speaker 1>in when when it seemed as if nobody was paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention and and sort of added punchlines to whatever punching

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<v Speaker 1>was happening. But no, I wasn't. I wasn't fighting anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Those bus drivers are definitely not paid enough to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with that. No, And and it shows they do not

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<v Speaker 1>care for the work and they do not care about

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<v Speaker 1>the children that they're transporting. Yeah, so did you transition

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<v Speaker 1>to driving to school or what was your kind of

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<v Speaker 1>high school getting the school experience? Like, yeah, I so

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<v Speaker 1>I got I took the bus through middle school and

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<v Speaker 1>then because my middle school was way further than my

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<v Speaker 1>high school was from from my home. And then by

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<v Speaker 1>the time I got to high school, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>I either got like rides because I would like show

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<v Speaker 1>up super early for like basketball practice or whatever activities,

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<v Speaker 1>or I would walk, uh, which I think by then

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<v Speaker 1>I had like a group of friends who was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll walk a mile and a half together and that school.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know why that was cool. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in respect we should have happily learned, you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>to do something else. But we were like, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have walk, guys, this is nice. We were weirdly

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<v Speaker 1>not it was a rule we were not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>walk to school. So it was like if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you we and we lived pretty close to our school,

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<v Speaker 1>we're probably like a mile and a half away from

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<v Speaker 1>our school, which actually not that close if you can't imagine, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, yeah, people would. It was like it was

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<v Speaker 1>very like, you know, if you get caught walking to school, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what would happen. I don't know. You

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<v Speaker 1>weren't allowed to leave, you weren't allowed to go to McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>You sneak out and go to McDonald's for lunch you

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<v Speaker 1>can get in big trouble were you're allowed to leave? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were very kind of contained. Also, this these were

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<v Speaker 1>school rules. This wasn't just like your family said no,

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<v Speaker 1>this rule wouldn't let us watch to school. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like which was there? I remember there was this one girl,

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Store, who literally lived across the street from the

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<v Speaker 1>school and she had to take the bus. Who isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that crazy? Yeah, she had to take the bus and

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<v Speaker 1>she was a really good student. She was maybe our

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<v Speaker 1>valedictorian or like sal, sal, I'm not going to help you,

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<v Speaker 1>but she she um, she was so she like listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know she took the bus every day. What a

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<v Speaker 1>waste of taxpayers money? That's crazy. Yeah. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>remember for senior prank, someone broke into where they kept

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<v Speaker 1>the buses and slash the tires on all the bus

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<v Speaker 1>That was my senior year. Yeah. Did they do that

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<v Speaker 1>your year too? No? I don't think so, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think I heard about it. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>so great because we got to go to school late then.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so it was so and actually my my

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<v Speaker 1>friend was one of the people who did it. Like

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a group of like six guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like he told me about it the night

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<v Speaker 1>before they did it, and and he was like he

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<v Speaker 1>was like and he he was gonna, I'm giving a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of details. He was going to be at my

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<v Speaker 1>prom date. And I was like, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>rule that like if if um, if someone gets caught

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<v Speaker 1>doing a senior prank, they won't be allowed to go

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<v Speaker 1>to prom and so and so. I so he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do this prank. He's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna get caught, but if we if if

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<v Speaker 1>we do, then like I won't be able to go

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<v Speaker 1>to prom. And I was like, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like I'll go without you, Like I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>I might ruin your prom night forever and always so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could be a part of a senior prank.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry exactly. But then the next day we went

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<v Speaker 1>to school, like like it was like on the news

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<v Speaker 1>like Orange schools are delayed two hours because like there

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<v Speaker 1>was because like the something with the busses and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I was so like freaked out

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<v Speaker 1>about it because I was like, am I complicit in

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<v Speaker 1>this crime? Like I was so like freaking out. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it was I got to school. I was like loving

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<v Speaker 1>that I knew because I kept I started kept going

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<v Speaker 1>up people and be like, who do you think did this?

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<v Speaker 1>This is wild? I'm so excited to be like in

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<v Speaker 1>on the crime that I was just like, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy, Like we better find out who these who?

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<v Speaker 1>And I knew everyone who did it, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like loving it. And then um, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>all did get found out a few days later. And

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<v Speaker 1>then but then the school let them go to prom

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't want to ruin their dates prom experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, as someone my focus was very much on

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<v Speaker 1>myself going like and so I remember being like, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys didn't have to do that, Like we would have

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<v Speaker 1>still all gone, I think, But um, maybe not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>felt that way because I wasn't going from like this

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<v Speaker 1>was like a friend I was going with. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like a romantic like if I don't get to go

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<v Speaker 1>with him, I won't have like, oh you were fine

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<v Speaker 1>either way. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I do. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that I do appreciate a senior prank that

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<v Speaker 1>actually has an an effect in the world, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>much better than I feel like for our senior prank

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<v Speaker 1>somebody like put a bunch of baby oil on the

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<v Speaker 1>main steps and just made people fall and ship and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, well that's not helpful, gentlemen, Like let's

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<v Speaker 1>do something that actually benefits the whole of the senior.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was so great because I remember we

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<v Speaker 1>had like tests since I mean probably nobody else was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking as much about this because I was very into school,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had tests that like we didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>finish them because of the time limits. Like like it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like academically was like very helpful too, but yeah, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember, I think it was when I was

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<v Speaker 1>in we had eighth grade in the high school. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in eighth grade, Jonah, do you remember this,

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<v Speaker 1>the seniors put a bunch of grasshoppers like all over

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<v Speaker 1>the school and then by the time we got to school,

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<v Speaker 1>they had basically all been like vacuumed up, which just

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<v Speaker 1>felt like so sad because it was just like they

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<v Speaker 1>just killed a bunch of grasshoppers before we got in.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys just set up a grasshopper genocide real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone got their day like regular. Yeah, very sad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember during graduation they were like, when you shake

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<v Speaker 1>the principal's hand, put a marble in your hand, everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>going to give him a marble and then he's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to know what to do with all the marbles.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I was just like, yeah, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do that, trying to get out of here. I'm eighteen. O,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. Did people do it? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some people did, I was, I don't, I don't remember. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it was just one kid. Just one kid

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<v Speaker 1>did the marble thing and tried to convince a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other people to do it, but only he did it,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it was embarrassing and sort of awkward for him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's like, where am I supposed to get Mark?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where you get marbles? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That feels like you could have figured that out if

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<v Speaker 1>you honestly. Feels like prime time for finding I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. I guess you're right. You're right. They're probably

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel stores all around us. I bet you at that

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<v Speaker 1>time could get marbles at like a pharmacy, like a

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<v Speaker 1>little like a little fishnet bag. Yeah, Walgreen's had to

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<v Speaker 1>have a ton of marbles back then. Yeah, where did

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<v Speaker 1>you get him today? Uh? Amazon dot com. You're Daddy

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<v Speaker 1>Bezos himself, He'll send you marbles. You're right, you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do with marbles? You play a game? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>technically I believe the game is that you're it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>you're meant to knock the marbles out of the center.

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<v Speaker 1>That like you're it's like a competition almost like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that that the slide e ball thing? You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about? The big like like on a

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<v Speaker 1>big like on a big like you're standing and you

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<v Speaker 1>like push the ball in the big thing. Yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 1>shuffle I love that. I love that we needed help

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<v Speaker 1>for for very popular American games. But the point is

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<v Speaker 1>Marble's is sort of like shuffle board, but it's more

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle. So like you you create a center

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<v Speaker 1>and then you you try to get your marble in

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<v Speaker 1>the center, and then you try to knock other people's

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<v Speaker 1>marbles out of the center. Is I think you're right?

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember that you remember that Marble Madness video game? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. It was like a game where you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like tilted the screen and you would like have

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<v Speaker 1>like a marble that would move around. It was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>cool game. I remember the the analog version of that,

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<v Speaker 1>not the video game, but those like cheap toys that

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<v Speaker 1>you would get where like there's a marble and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to make a uh follow the path with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume it's it's something similar to that. Yeah. Well

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<v Speaker 1>there's also those little remember like in when you would

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<v Speaker 1>go home from a birthday party if you would get

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bag of stuff. We we would always

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<v Speaker 1>get those little squares that like had a little marble

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<v Speaker 1>or had like a little ball in them and they

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<v Speaker 1>go through a maze and you would do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm about? That's that ship? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if they still well, probably have them on Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Daddy Bazos makes it. I worked at a

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<v Speaker 1>gift shop last year, uh, a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and we sold like like free trade, like, um, they

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<v Speaker 1>make all that stuff. You can get it like free trade,

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<v Speaker 1>like locally made toys for kids or these local people

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<v Speaker 1>that are still carving weird mazes and then putting marbles

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<v Speaker 1>in them. I don't know. It's a good question, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great question. I don't think I have the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons I think I never played with

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<v Speaker 1>marbles is because I would be so mesmerized by them

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<v Speaker 1>because I really didn't know if they were cats eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh are some of them called like cat's eye marbles?

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<v Speaker 1>They look like cat's eyes. Yeah, I've heard that, Langsy.

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<v Speaker 1>To give you a little background, Vanessa, Um, we also

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<v Speaker 1>had a box collection of antique boxes just he was

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<v Speaker 1>really on to find. That's such a nice way of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also a very concise way of summing up

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<v Speaker 1>a person's uh situation. Let's call it. No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister collected boxes anyway, go on. Yeah, Like we'd

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<v Speaker 1>go on a trip and I'd buy, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a little box that said like Florida or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, I don't. I don't think I had any

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<v Speaker 1>collections that, uh, that even come close to collecting boxes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I inherited my dad's coin collection and then

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<v Speaker 1>moved on, Oh that's do you still have it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you still have the coins? No, I wasn't invested at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He you know, it's one of those things where like um,

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<v Speaker 1>where you think that you're finding something valuable because you

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<v Speaker 1>find some penny that says like nineteen already nine, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, hey, Dad, check this out. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>looks at and he's like, well, it's technically not worth

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<v Speaker 1>anything because it has an S on it and not

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<v Speaker 1>a D, or it isn't clean the right way, or

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<v Speaker 1>the president is facing in the wrong direction. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, man, funk off, I'm going to bed, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what what is this game that you're playing here? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I could see that being very frustrating. Hasn't been as

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<v Speaker 1>lucrative as your box collection rights always going to say

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<v Speaker 1>I would really accept most any box into the collection,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, porcelain boxes, wooden boxes, just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anything anything, and perhaps the box from Daddy Bezos at

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon Dot, you know. And look are the boxes all

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<v Speaker 1>still my parents, Baseman, and are they every time I

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<v Speaker 1>come home or they're like, Vanessa, you gotta get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of these boxes. Yes, but and my mom was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can take you can take like a selection of

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<v Speaker 1>the boxes back with you to l A and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll donate the rest. And I'm like, I'm keeping all

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<v Speaker 1>the boxing and they're standing right here. I'm not moving

0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.760
<v Speaker 1>these boxes at all. Good luck, family. We got these

0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.760
<v Speaker 1>boxes for life, and everybody knows that We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a quick commercial break, but we'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back with Langston and we're back today. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about something that Vanessa and I were not familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with until this week, but now we're kind of obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 1>And Yes, and this was your topic lengths and so

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that. It is the and one mixtape.

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<v Speaker 1>And for our listeners that aren't familiar with this, could

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<v Speaker 1>you maybe just sort of explain a little bit what

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<v Speaker 1>it is? Yeah, So the N one mix tapes we were, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of America's introduction to street basketball. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of random dudes who were not professional basketball

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<v Speaker 1>players at least in the traditional sense you're NBA players

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<v Speaker 1>who but we're fun and talented, like very talented people,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would they just were nasty. They would do cool,

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<v Speaker 1>cool moves that weren't even legal, uh in in professional basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>weird crossovers and dunks, and they danced in your face

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<v Speaker 1>after they embarrassed you in front of your family. And

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it. I couldn't get enough of the N

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<v Speaker 1>one mixtapes as a child. So, like, what age were

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<v Speaker 1>you sort of when you were like peak and One fan? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>I was probably I think I probably really found and

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<v Speaker 1>one around like eight to ten, I would say, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and one at the time, Uh, there was there were

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of players who were really cool. But on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, they also started a clothing brand. And

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, the clothing brand was really cool because it,

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<v Speaker 1>uh it was really big shirts and really baggy shorts

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<v Speaker 1>to play basketball in. You know how uh easy that

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<v Speaker 1>makes for playing basketball and uh and on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>all their shirts had like cool uh like phrases written

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<v Speaker 1>on them, basically like trash talking phrases. So it would

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 1>be like you, you brick so many shots you could

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<v Speaker 1>build a house, and that would be written on the shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it would be like you you don't dribble good

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<v Speaker 1>and your mom's a whore, and like that would be

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<v Speaker 1>on the shirt and you'd get so excited because you

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<v Speaker 1>were ship talking in your clothes. Yeah, yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just feeling I was just thinking about how it it's

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<v Speaker 1>a just strong move to like wear clothes that say

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on them. Yes, like in any Yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>very daring. It's much in the way that I I

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and maybe it's the same as the

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<v Speaker 1>person putting on juicy when maybe that thing isn't that juicy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And you're wearing the shirt

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to believe you can for stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>think you can in the world, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like you have to have so much confidence

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I'm going to make a comparison that might

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<v Speaker 1>not really track, but um, I live in a neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>where there's a lot people do so much Halloween decorating,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were outside. I was walking with my friend

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<v Speaker 1>outside this beautiful house and it was so decorated for

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween in such a crazy way, like more than most houses.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the guy who lived there was like outside

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<v Speaker 1>on his phone and he was just like on this

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<v Speaker 1>like on his front porch, like talking on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I feel like the story isn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna land well. But I was like, is he so

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed to be like an adult man, like standing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a house that's decorated so much? Now follow

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<v Speaker 1>me here in the same way that like, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a shirt that says like anything like don't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me before I have my morning coffee or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>do you like then when you make eye contact with

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<v Speaker 1>other people. Are you like, I shouldn't have done this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sorry I didn't. You can't talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. I feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>story might not have been as relevant as I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was about the guy in the Halloween house. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just think like, yeah, very but very cool that

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<v Speaker 1>and one um did did the trash talking for you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Yeah, it was, it was. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>a dope period in I think in basketball where we

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<v Speaker 1>were transitioning out of sort of like this buttoned up

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<v Speaker 1>version of what basketball was, which is a weird thing

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<v Speaker 1>to think about in terms of basketball, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like this was back when you know, NBA players were

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<v Speaker 1>expected to wear suits everywhere they went, and like Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan was just a nice Uh this is before we

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<v Speaker 1>knew he was a monster. But Michael Jordan was a

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<v Speaker 1>nice man who loved his family and never did anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, and one came a round and

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<v Speaker 1>they were just like a man, I'm about to dunk

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<v Speaker 1>on you in front of everyone you that knows you

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<v Speaker 1>and cares about you. It was great. Yeah, was that

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<v Speaker 1>the era of like Detroit Pistons, like the Bad Boys,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is years after Bad Boys. This would

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<v Speaker 1>be sort of in the wake of the This is

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<v Speaker 1>like late nineties, early two thousands actual like Alan Iverson,

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<v Speaker 1>I think in a lot of ways is kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>uh a synonymous with not synonymous, but sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>runs parallel with like the and one culture, if that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense, got it? Got it. I was really into

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<v Speaker 1>sports until about like seventh grade, so all of my

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<v Speaker 1>references are like now, I'm like, I was this guy

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<v Speaker 1>still playing. My Dad's like, yeah, he's a coach. But

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been watching a lot of the ANI one

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<v Speaker 1>videos and one one player I've been very impressed with

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<v Speaker 1>is the professor. Oh the professor, of course, yes, I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>could you describe in dove any thoughts on the professor? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have plenty of thoughts on the professor. Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>Professor was was white people's first, uh first introduction to

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<v Speaker 1>the N one mix tapes. And he was fun because

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<v Speaker 1>and one was so much about ship talking right that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think in some ways it also was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a cool liaison into comedy, whereas like, I

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.479
<v Speaker 1>like sports and then they say mean things when they

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 1>play sports. This is hilarious. So it was all of

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that for me. But the Professor is interesting. His name

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>is Grayson by the way, so he's very white for

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>anyone who who's unfamiliar. But the Professor was sort of

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.639
<v Speaker 1>like this cute, blonde haired kid who was playing with

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>all these big, like athletic black dudes, and he was nice.

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>He could he could dribble better than almost everybody. His

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.879
<v Speaker 1>passes were insane. He did crazy layups and sort of

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:57.440
<v Speaker 1>trick moves, and no one that they played against took

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>him seriously until he would embarrass every body, which only

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>added to the the pizzazz of it all. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 1>And what's more amazing is the way they're doing it

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>in these clothes, Like you were saying that is are

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>so big between their legs and it's like it's in Yeah,

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.239
<v Speaker 1>it's insane. Have you followed what what the Professor has

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>been doing more recently? I have, and and he's now

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>turned into some sort of Christian basketball player where he

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>he like goes from random park to random park across

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the world. Now he like has a very popular YouTube

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 1>following and Instagram following where he'll go to like, uh,

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Singapore and just play random people at parks there and

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>then like cut up, uh, like footage of him crossing

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.479
<v Speaker 1>people over and then hugging them afterwards and telling them

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that that God loves them. And yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>he's taken that street ball thing in a whole different direction.

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess he has there's prayer now in it. And uh,

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I knew him when he was getting yelled curse words,

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's different vibes. I guess for sure.

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you play that the and one video game at all?

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>We found out about the video game recently. I did

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>not play the End one video game. I know nothing

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.719
<v Speaker 1>of this. Oh, I can tell you that it came

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>out in two thousand six. I have a couple of

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>facts here. Um, the PlayStation two version received quote mixed reviews,

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 1>while the Xbox well, the Xbox version received generally unfavorable reviews.

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>So it seems like you didn't miss much. No, and

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.239
<v Speaker 1>thank god it's so. If it came out in two

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, I had just graduated from high school,

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think by that time I was pretty uh,

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I knew I wasn't going to make the NBA, so

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 1>so I had sort of moved on from my dreams

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of playing certainly I wasn't playing video games of and

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>one mixtapes, but uh damn, that's a shame. They had

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 1>their their big shot and they blew it. Yeah, it's true.

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>It's true. Were you did you play a lot of

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of basketball growing up or in high school during

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that period of your life. I did. I played basketball.

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>That was my main thing through uh through junior year

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>of high school, and then I got cut from the

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 1>team and then ended up like writing poetry after that,

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>so I took a big turn. But I yeah, even

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:26.880
<v Speaker 1>after that, like I I then like made technically made

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the team my senior year, but I quit to continue

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>writing poetry. But then in college I ended up playing

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 1>as a practice player for my women's basketball team. So

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I was like basically like showing up every day to

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>like get beat up on by these these very talented girls.

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>So it it. You know, I love basketball, I was playing,

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, for most of my life. I think giving

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a basketball for poetry is pretty cool. I think that's

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a pretty pretty cool move. I don't know if most

0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>people would agree, but I appreciate your encouragement. What kind

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of what kind of poems were you writing at that time?

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I think, uh, in high school. It was mostly love

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:12.400
<v Speaker 1>poems the girls who uh, who were either partially interested

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>or I had moved on from whatever our situation was.

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 1>That that's probably the major theme of everything I was writing.

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>And did you were you giving them to the girls

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>or were you sort of just kind of brooding with them? Oh? No,

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>I I made sure you heard it. If if you

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 1>dated me, you heard those poems? Did it fix any

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>of our situations? It did not, But you were gonna

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 1>get every word I wrote down? And were you like

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>keeping yourself to like? Were you like I want to

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>write a poem for this girl, but I wanted to

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>be like, um, I am the pentameter, or like I

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a Limerick. I wanted to No, No,

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>this was this was two thousand four when limericks no

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>longer mattered and I am big pentameter meant ship to

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>any girls that I dated, I just yeah, it was

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>mostly just free verse. It was me just writing down

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts. I I had the good fortune of going

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to a high school that had like a pretty large

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>spoken word club, Like there were like sixty kids in

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the program, uh in my high school, and so uh

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>with that, I think we just it wasn't as like

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>weird oh lame as I think it could have been

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>if this were like one of those weird like three

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>person clubs where our books getting knocked out of our

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>hands and we don't know what to do with ourselves

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. And sorry, one more question about this.

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Would you would you read them the poems or would

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you give them to them? So thank you for asking. Uh. No,

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I I'd often read the poems at our at our

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>spoken word like um uh concert the concerts the wrong word,

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>but it was sort of like our spoken word performances shows.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I would read the poems there, uh, with the hopes

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>that they would show up to said performances and they

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>they'd be left so a flutter by the things that

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, that they would come back to me and

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>our romance would begin again. Did you get into slam

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>poetry because that seems like a really like between basketball

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and poetry. That seems like this sort of performative type

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of poetry. You know, I don't know if I saw

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Williams all this stuff was that era. Yeah, saw Williams

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>was was exactly that era, And that is exactly why

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I gravitated so much to poetry. Like I

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>was already writing poetry, right, I was interested in it.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But then you know, you're coming out of sports and

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like, wow, I don't I want to compete. I

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>want to do a thing, and so, uh, slam became

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like a nice transition into that. And I grew up

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in in Oak Park outside of Chicago, so I know,

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you guys are from Chicago to yet we're from Cleveland,

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>but I but I lived in Chicago for a long time,

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>so you know. And so Chicago has the largest even

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 1>today has the largest youth slam in the world. Yeah,

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>it's this thing called Louder than a Bomb. And so

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like our team would compete every year, and uh, it

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>became like a cool thing where like now I'm I'm

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>writing poetry, but I'm writing poetry to funk people up,

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, instead of just writing it,

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>uh for sad reasons. Amazing. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah.

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Now did you ever speaking of being did you not

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to take it away from your post? I mean, I

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I I love hearing about your poetry. I feel like

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that's so it also, but just being from Chicago, did

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you ever see and one the and one tour? Like

0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>in person, like when they went to Chicago, did you go?

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I wish I had. I don't think that

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>that I had like the wherewithal as like a young person.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this this you guys relate to

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>this at all, but I think a part of me

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>always treated that is like a foreign thing that like, oh,

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like seeing your favorite person in concert. It wasn't

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>until I got to like high school that I was like, oh, ship,

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>they they might actually come to where I live. It

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>was always like, well, I'll never be in the same

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:38.959
<v Speaker 1>room as uh as the professor or or hot sauce,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like it was just me

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>not It never even crossed my mind that I could

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>go and see them, So now I never got to

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah, I remember being like in that that

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of like pre going to concert age where like

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little older than you. I'm forty one, and

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>so I remember like all these kids coming to school

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>wearing like American gladiator shirts and they're like we also

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>went to see American gladiators that like the arena. I

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, how did you guys know about Like how

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>do you even find out about stuff? I guess yeah,

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, people would go to that kind of stuff.

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember, uh, my dad one year took me to

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>uh to family Double Dare like but not not the

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>in studio one, the one that they would just like

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah that would just go on tour and being

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>like a stadium somewhere and like do like random families

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and not film it, but like Mark Summers would be

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>there and I remember him like pacing the like audience,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>being like, we need another kid, who's gonna be our kid?

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>And me going crazy and he looked right at me

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and moved to a different person. And that's why I've

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>always maintained fuck Mark Summers for the rest of my life.

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I will go to my graves saying fuck you, Mark Summers.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forgive you. Well it makes you feeling better.

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>We just watched the Nickelodeon documentary and I Mark Summers

0:33:56.080 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I think was probably hating every Also he did say

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>that um at one point his kids said to him,

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>like because he was going on those tours with Double

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the Air, and his kids were like, why do you

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>spend the weekend with other people's kids but not us?

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>And so then he said, like the next day after

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>his kids said that to him, he quit. So actually

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>you were part of the thing that got him to

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.839
<v Speaker 1>like stop working. So in some ways you got back

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>at him. He looked me dead in my eyes, and

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>he was like, I got to get back to my family. Yeah,

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he probably that's probably why he didn't pick you, because

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.360
<v Speaker 1>he probably felt so warm towards you, Like he was like,

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>if I picked this kid, then it's going to truly

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>break my heart. He picked some to another another beautiful child.

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I have to end this here. Yeah, so he picked

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>like a kid that he was like this kid over

0:34:52.320 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>here out of a giant nose, Mark Summers Summers. He

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 1>doesn't talk about it on the documentary, but he um

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>famously has very a lot of O C D, which

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't. But sure, and I have to imagine that

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>job must have contributed to it. Well, that's the thing,

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>is like, is it the chicken or the like what

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>that that job does seem? I mean so fun for kids,

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>but like there's so much disgusting even just like imagery. Yeah. Absolutely,

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, Green, it's not coming out of a

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>a giant nose and you have to do this. I

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 1>assume they're filming what like four episodes a day, Yeah,

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>five days a week, just to be able to satisfy

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>our sick need to watch more noses, have more Bookers

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 1>in them. It's it's all bad. Yeah, but then he um,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>he got right out of there once his kids complained.

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>And maybe I need to make my peace with Mark Summers.

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe I can't go to my grave with these

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>negative feelings towards could be kind of live rating, you know,

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.919
<v Speaker 1>just to let it go, not be carrying that around. Yeah,

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>all this all this gag covering my heart. Yeah, but

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>you know if it also if it drives you, then

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that then hold onto. Sure if it's helping you to. Um,

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>did you watch did you watch a lot of Nickelodeon

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>growing up? I loved it. It was I was a

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Nickelodeon kid. I know there are some Disney Kids and Nicodeon. Yeah, yeah,

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Disney Kids weirded me out, I'll be honest, because you

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>had to pay for the Disney Channel, so they You know,

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that was a bigger issue for me as well. Our

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:41.720
<v Speaker 1>cable was limited. But it just Nickelodeon was like edgy

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and cool and like I was talking to somebody about

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>it today, actually that like it didn't it is just

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.399
<v Speaker 1>now occurring to me as of recently that like all

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that had like wul Tang clan On and Mary J.

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Blige and they were singing their real songs, not like

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>versions of the songs in front of audiences of twelve

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>year old It was it is pretty crazy. Yeah, And

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>if you watch this documentary, they also Coolio talks about

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>how like he did the song for Keenan and Kell's

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>show and it was like the most popular song he

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>ever Like it was like it was like a huge deal.

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like, it's pretty crazy. If that doesn't

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>make you do your hair the way Coolio does it there,

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what what has you know what I mean,

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>right right right right right totally. You dedicate your work

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to being a talented rap artist, and the thing that

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>propels you into to stardom is making the theme music

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to two boys, uh arguing about orange soda. It's a

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>bad combination for an adult man. Yeah, I mean then

0:37:54.719 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>he went on and did um dangerous minds that, Yeah,

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, And all we have now is Michelle Peiffer

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>and a leather jacket telling us that, uh, we can't

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>get out the ghetto, we can make something of ourselves.

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Michelle. Yeah, I don't think that movie would

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>probably get be getting made anytime against soon. I don't know.

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so either. I think that's why we

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:23.959
<v Speaker 1>don't bring it up for positive reasons than yeah. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you know. I wanted to talk really briefly about your

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>podcast my mom told me, which yeah, it's not an

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>amazing network, I hear, um, But I mean, how would

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 1>you sort of describe the podcast? Maybe, um, for people

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 1>who haven't heard it, haven't heard it before. Oh, it's

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I love conspiracy theories, and I happened to be black

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and have a ton of friends who happened to be black,

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So we just talk about black people in their conspiracy theories,

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>which oftentimes are are there's a lot of inn diagram

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 1>crossover between white conspiracy theories. But there's a different sort

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of like twist right at the end, which makes it pretty.

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>It makes it fun and and interesting and sort of

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>a more nuanced, uh conversation than every other insane person

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that's on the internet, for sure. I mean, do you

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>have any I mean, because to me, that's it's fascinating.

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>There's there's so many kind of interesting topics, are there

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>any that you've done that kind of stand out to

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>you or any that, Like, I just didn't know about

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>so many of these conspiracies, so they're really interesting to

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>listen about. There any any favors you have, Yeah, I

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>mean I have a ton of them. Uh Carl Tart,

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>who's a very funny comedian. Um uh improv sketch dude

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>who who came on? And Uh, it's a conspiracy theory

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I've heard for for years now where we talked about, uh,

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the theory that women put menstrual blood. You can't eat

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:54.919
<v Speaker 1>a strange woman's uh spaghetti because uh women put their

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.319
<v Speaker 1>own menstrual blood in the spaghetti and make you fall

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>in love with them. Well, I can speak to that.

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>That's that's something you heard when you were younger. It's

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>something that I heard more actually in early adulthood than

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I heard like a person. But he's from Uh, he's

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>from Mississippi, I believe. And it is a very Southern

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>thing to like think that. You know, it's like it

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>has to do with like juju and magic and all

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff that voodoo ko do I believe

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 1>is the the sort of like actual term that's connected

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to it. But it's it's some sort of witch doctor

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>e ship. Yeah. Yeah, wow, that's it was interesting too.

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've been listening to your podcast and it's

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>interesting too that there is something. I mean that's interesting

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that you heard it more as an adult, but there

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 1>is also some like I remember so many of those

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories from being a kid, like because as a kid,

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 1>like you really you're really like, oh, this must be true,

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>like this must be Like I was listening to the

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Hill Figure episode and it's like we all thought

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>we were Like he was on Oprah he said like,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's true. It's like, what which episode was it.

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, there's there's literally no evidence of this

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 1>actually existing. What is it? What is it? What is

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:27.359
<v Speaker 1>it about Tommy hill Figure? That Tommy Hill Figure, at

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 1>some point in his early in sort of like the

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>transition of Hill Figure clothing, uh, Tommy jeans whatever it was,

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>made a big announcement on Oprah that he did not

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>want black people wearing his clothing. He'd made it for

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 1>like a certain class of people, and black people did

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>not represent that class. And what I think I heard,

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the version I think I heard was like Oprah got

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>so mad at him, that she like yelled at him

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 1>on the show and she would never have him back again,

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>and that maybe the reason we hadn't seen it was

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>because as she wouldn't, she refused to air the episode. Yeah,

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I similarly had heard this story of the bravery that Oprah.

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Oprah put her foot down and she said, get out

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of here. Tommy, you never show your face around here again.

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>You're dead to me, and then that had like it

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 1>had squashed his career at that point. Yeah, I mean,

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>it's it's so fascinating to think about how these things

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 1>spread during that era, like before the Internet, how everyone

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 1>we could all hear these stories that like how how

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>did they spread? Like how did people find out about

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>this stuff? Well, it's so fun because because in doing

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the research, what I discovered is that it actually came

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>from basically like some chain mail, like a chain email

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 1>from the Philippines, and it did actually come from a

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>shitty thing that Tommy said. Shitty is a weighted term,

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>but basically he went out and he said, like, hey,

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 1>please stop wearing knockoff versions of my clothing. It doesn't

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 1>look as good. I don't like that. And a bunch

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of people in other countries were like, they forget you man,

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>You're like ruining our sweet deal when we make these

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>these nice knockoffs and that's how we make our money.

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And so they made up a weird statement about Tommy

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 1>He'll Figure saying this thing, and then the email got

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>circulated so many times that we in our middle schools

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>were like hell, yeah, yeah yeah. And you know what's

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>so crazy. It is like even though that stuff is

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>so like you hear it a lot in childhood and

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff like, I still feel like when like I would,

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I still like every time I had seen an ad

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>for like a Tommy thing, I'd be like, why are

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>people supporting this guy? Like even as an adult, I'm like, yeah,

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>this guy is a monster. I don't know what. Yeah,

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I I there's so many things that that uh that

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.760
<v Speaker 1>we're hugely problematic and or wrong from from these conspiracy

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 1>theories that circulate from being young that I still, like

0:43:55.400 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you said, I'm still like, I know it's not right. Yeah,

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't know. I can't support old Tommy hill Figure

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>even though he's done nothing wrong. He seems honestly like

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 1>sweet man, sweet nice. Yeah. You know, there's also like

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.359
<v Speaker 1>a thing with Jewish people I feel like where your

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 1>parents tell you that everyone's anti Semitics, so you sort

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>of think that like everything is somehow made by like

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 1>an anti Semitic, like you can't you shouldn't watch this

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 1>or do this thing or this thing because they don't

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>like Jews. As you know, that was I don't there's

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 1>we In a similar episode similar we talked about how

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>some people theorize that the that Timberland's were made by

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the KKK, that the entire like, uh, the thing is

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>owned by the KKK, and the tree on the on

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the Timberland logo is actually connected to uh, hangings for

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>for slaves right or for black people in general. But

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>that said, uh, one of the things that that sort

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of gets uncovered in all of that is that Timberland

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 1>were actually originally conceived and owned by Jewish people, but

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 1>because of this weird rumor that got started, they got

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:12.879
<v Speaker 1>associated with so much anti Semitism that it like did

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:18.479
<v Speaker 1>do damage to the problem like the product at certain points. Wow. Wow,

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that's wow. But yeah, I mean, I think that's really

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 1>interesting parallel because I think that the idea of like

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a black conspiracy theory probably makes so much sense, and

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the fact that like you know, brought you so marginalized,

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, taking advantage of brought over by you know, slavery,

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. Obviously, how could you not think that

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>things are against you on some level, like with these

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories. Do you think that's an element of it? Yeah?

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I do, And I think in a in an interesting

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 1>way or a really like important way. The goal isn't

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>so much to just keep this like locked on on

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 1>black people, but to sort of show the ways that

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 1>like it kind of crosses over into all of our ship,

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean that like much in the

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>way that that you know, these weird stories come up

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 1>in the black community, they also come up in a

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of other marginalized communities and then our American community

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>as a whole, if whatever that means, If that exists,

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:21.359
<v Speaker 1>But like I do think that that it's not it's

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>not meant to be a thing where it's like this

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>is for us, and y'all ain't supposed to hear it.

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like, not listen to it and recognize that you

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>probably heard something very similar to it, even if it

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't necessarily verbatim what you grew up with. Yeah, yeah,

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's really smart. I think that, and I

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>think that your podcast really does that really well. And

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>some of them are are so dark. Yeah, like the

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Brandy stuff I found to be like really darn all

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. Yeah I didn't know. Yeah, I mean I

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>just didn't know any of this stuff. Some of them

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>get real sad, uh if you if you take them seriously,

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:00.080
<v Speaker 1>which is why I try to laugh through all it,

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, we're going to take another quick break and

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back. Okay, we are back and Langston.

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to play a game with you where

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>we bring up nostalgic products, like products shows, stuff from

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>our childhood that are now making a comeback. And if

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>you're into them, you can give them a yes, Stalgia

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 1>all Stalja, and if you're not into them, you give

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 1>them a no Stalla no no no no no no

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 1>no no no no Stalja. You face like you look

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>impressed by how fun these puns are, and I'm wow

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 1>staalgia by by what you're putting together here. I love it.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much well to give you the first

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>man product um. A popular snack that was discontinued but

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:58.879
<v Speaker 1>is now coming back is three D Dorito's Dorito's has

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 1>announced that they're e dimensional snack dubbed three D Crunch

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 1>has hit the stores. Um. They come in spicy ranch

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and chili cheese nacho and instead of the traditional flat

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 1>triangles that you know we're all used to and honestly love, Um,

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 1>they come in a conical shape. And these were originally

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>available between and four but now they're they're back. What

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 1>what you know? Are you? Are you a Dorrito person?

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Are you excited about? You know? I do love a Dorrito.

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big fan, and I do remember the the

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 1>three D der ritos. But I am going to say

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia to the return of the three D de Rito,

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>because yes, I am a much uh. I I have

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>a much fonder, warmer memory of Bugles, and I think

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Bugles deserve to be brought back and and celebrated properly

0:48:55.800 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>instead of Doritos just recycling their same flavor with new stuff. Yeah,

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:03.920
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a Bugle rip off. Let me let

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>me ask you something like, let me see if this

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 1>statement from Rachel fer Ferdinando that she's frieda Ley's North

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 1>American Senior Vice president and chief marketing officer. Um, let

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 1>me see, it's a statement that she says changes your

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>mind at all. What's exciting is that we didn't just

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>bring back the original, We've evolved it to reflect the

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 1>snacking trends of a new generation. We're thrilled interest a

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 1>new version at a time when we could all use

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 1>a small amount of joy. What do you think they've

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 1>They've evolved it and about that. It feels like she's

0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:45.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to make this about like the racial uh awakening

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>of the country, but then pretend like it's just about

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>bringing snacks. Do you know what I mean? Where She's like,

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>America is in a tough place right now, we just

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 1>had an insurrection. All kinds of horrible things are happening.

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 1>But Doritos, the Dorrito's Company, is really here to support

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you in and bring you a little bit of joy.

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:10.279
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't need to I see what I'm saying.

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not exactly sure when she made this statement, but

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>it was definitely in response to something bad happening in

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the world. Yes, they felt like, you know, a puppy

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>was murdered on their campuses and she was like, well,

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Dorito's three d I guess we got to bring it back. Yeah, yeah,

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>it is really like it is a kind of a

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>funny name though to be like like this is a

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:34.919
<v Speaker 1>three D dorrito, like you can touch all the sides

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.839
<v Speaker 1>it like it's already three DS. And I mean even

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>that's such a good point. Yeah, we've been three D

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 1>this whole time. Yeah, we're not living in flat Land,

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>so everything is three D. Did you guys ever watch

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 1>flat Land? And it's a whole um? I didn't, But

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't either because I think I either made it

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 1>up or it was like a thing you want. It

0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 1>sounds a little in like middle school math. It's I

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 1>remember flat Stanley, but that that's about as far as

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>uh flat uh titles that I'm familiar with. What was

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>flat Stanley. Flat Stanley was this thing that they would

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 1>make kids take a picture with as like a way

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 1>of uh, you would mail him uh two different people

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.879
<v Speaker 1>on different like continents and countries and all that, as

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>a way of like pin pal sort of communication. And

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 1>so you would send someone flat Stanley and they would

0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 1>take a picture with flat Stanley Stanley, and that's how

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you knew that flat Stanley had like made it to

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the people you were communicating with across the world. That

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>does sound very fun to me. This is probably like

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 1>if there's younger people listening to this too, grew up

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 1>with like TikTok and all stuff, I probably like, man,

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 1>people did insane stuff and they were kids, and it

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:55.919
<v Speaker 1>must sound just so wild. Just the just the very

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>concept of pin pals is in my mind one of

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the most uh embarrassing things that we could have done

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 1>for generations. We were just writing random kids and being like, yo,

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I have enough friends, will you be one of them?

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>But my friend from Chicago, Louis, he said when he

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 1>was a kid, he was pen pals with um, he

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>was pim pals with Soley Moon Fry. So I might

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:22.800
<v Speaker 1>have put the wrong emphasis on the wrong words, but

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Punky Brewster was his pen pal. I know, I don't.

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I should find out more information, like was it pre

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Like at what point that sounds like maybe that's a

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>made up story. It's true, he's not a liar, Jonah,

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 1>And you're going to say that don't count my friends.

0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:43.320
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like something you would say though in like

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:47.440
<v Speaker 1>sixth grade, like when were like doing improv in Chicago.

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I believe Okay, Well, I mean he if he made

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it up and it would actually be really I'm pretty

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 1>sure it's true. I'm gonna get confirmation. Yeah, I feel

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:02.839
<v Speaker 1>like you gotta do some some digging on this. Yeah,

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 1>you want to bring this back in another episode and

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, quick update, y'all. Turns out he's a

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a sick liar and he led me on for years

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.799
<v Speaker 1>believing that Punky Brewster was his, which would be very sad.

0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Vanessa thoughts, I'm kind of honestly, I'm kind of a

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia on it because you know, I hadn't really thought

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>about the Bugles element Langston, but I do think, like

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 1>you're right, It's like, you know, stick to what you do.

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:37.280
<v Speaker 1>You guys are you know you already have like carved

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:41.440
<v Speaker 1>out such a wonderful space for yourselves in the snack world,

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and like yeah, it's like who needs it? And also

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I don't want to burn um Rachel

0:53:53.560 --> 0:54:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Fernando of Freedom A North America, but um, you know,

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 1>have some self awareness, I think. And and look, if

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Doritos every wants me to do commercial, I'll do it,

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 1>but like has the self awareness of like, you know,

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.279
<v Speaker 1>that's I don't know that it's going to bring that

0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 1>many people joy, you know, And and if it is

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:19.799
<v Speaker 1>you already. You know. I have a lot of thoughts

0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're not coming together in a great way. But

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm a nostalgia for it. I agree. I think you

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>put it together just fine. Thank you. The people that

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 1>want this don't need it, Let's not give it to them.

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:36.840
<v Speaker 1>A nostalgia also, UM, I think Rachel just lost me

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 1>with that statement about about the snacking revolving for snacking

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.400
<v Speaker 1>tons of a new generation. It feels just a bit

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 1>self important. It's like you took a torrito and just

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>copied the bugle. Yeah, this bugle thing, really, it basically

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:54.719
<v Speaker 1>makes a decision for us. Yeah. Yeah, so great. We're

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>all all three nostalgias for that one. UM. The next one,

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>UM is about the TLC reunion mm HM TLC, who

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 1>are the best selling American female group of all time.

0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:14.800
<v Speaker 1>UM just announced their celebration of Crazy Sexy Cool National

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Tour UM eighteen cities, featuring uh T, Bas and Chili.

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 1>They're going to perform songs from Diamond certified album twenty

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>seven years later. The nineties theme shows will feature fan interaction,

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 1>nineties fashion, surprise guests, and more. Joining TLC is Bone,

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Thugs and Harmony, plus special guests. Oh hey, I'm a

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 1>guest Dolgia for that, that's pretty cool. I agree. Were

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:47.479
<v Speaker 1>you a big TLC fan? I was deeply in love

0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 1>with U with each member at different points in my life.

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think Chili was my my original first love,

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and then I think uh I eventually realized left I

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 1>was was beautiful in her own right, and then super

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 1>sad when she died, and then of course t Baas

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 1>who could not love t bas So? Yeah, I loved

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and their music was amazing. Yeah, I was in there

0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>were great And did you by the way, did you

0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.960
<v Speaker 1>um did you see the v H one two thousand

0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and thirteen like that when they did, like the movie

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:25.040
<v Speaker 1>about their lives where like people played them, I did not. Uh.

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I valued my time and respected them too much to

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 1>revisit whatever the attempt was going to be at. I think.

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't Kiki Palmer one of the Yeah, no, I know,

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.839
<v Speaker 1>I actually yeah, okay, well I thought it was good.

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Jonah Jonah was I think separately and it never talked

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.839
<v Speaker 1>about like did you say that documentary that that weird

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:50.399
<v Speaker 1>movie about them? And she was like yeah, I was like, yeah,

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I saw too. And when it's pretty good, right, And

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Jonah was like no, and so we were gonna have

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you kind of um be the like deciding but but

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 1>respect that I was back that I can't say I'm

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 1>not going to be that person that says it's bad

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 1>because I chose not to see it. Somate once again. Yeah,

0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I got some good news because the same announcement they

0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>said to to our documentary special biography TLC is going

0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to come out on any So that'll be like a legit, yeah,

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 1>because they have such an interesting story to write, where

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like they were selling so many records and everything, and

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.040
<v Speaker 1>they were they were like making no money, right, Like

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like every artist before like two thousand pretty

0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:41.240
<v Speaker 1>much got scammed out of most of their wealth. Like

0:57:41.600 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I was watching this thing about Cisco the other day,

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and uh, the Thong song obviously his biggest hit, his

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 1>most classic sort of like song. And as it turns out,

0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.400
<v Speaker 1>he makes almost no money on the Thong song because

0:57:56.560 --> 0:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>of that living Levita local line that like he go

0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 1>because he threw that in there, and in the studio

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 1>session they go a, man, I don't think we could

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 1>clear that, and he goes, nah, it's cool. I know.

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Ricky Martin's people, I'll take care of it, and then

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 1>never does. And they released the song, and Ricky Martin's

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 1>people hear it, and they sued the ship out of them,

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and then they settle and basically have to give like

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:28.000
<v Speaker 1>crazy points on every play just to be able to satiate,

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole He sort of created Cisco follow

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.440
<v Speaker 1>up on your Yeah, that happened. That also happened with

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that um that verb song Bittersweet Symphony. It's like that

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:43.520
<v Speaker 1>main song is so sample from the Rolling Stones, and

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I think like they ended up getting like Rolling Stones

0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:48.960
<v Speaker 1>got like all the publishing from the song because of

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:50.760
<v Speaker 1>some kind of deal. I mean, yeah, that was like

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the era where that kind of stuff would happen. It's

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.480
<v Speaker 1>so crazy. And any thoughts on bone Tones that harmony

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 1>big fan. We're from Cleveland and John, I don't know

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 1>if you remember the US. People would see we had

0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a mall in our suburb called Beechwood Place, and and

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:09.320
<v Speaker 1>people would see once in a while they would see

0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.800
<v Speaker 1>bone Thugs at beech With Place and they would be

0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 1>like they would come into school and they would be

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:15.560
<v Speaker 1>like I was at beach With Place and bone Thugs.

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:18.720
<v Speaker 1>But it's like it was like a very suburban mall.

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:22.720
<v Speaker 1>So it just feels so funny like that that people

0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:25.919
<v Speaker 1>would see them there, and but it was like those

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.360
<v Speaker 1>were the only like those were like the celebrities that would, like,

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, they sometimes go There's like you could sometimes

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:33.200
<v Speaker 1>see them at Beecher Place, and that was just like

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>kept everybody. I can tell it was suburban because you're like,

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>we saw bone thugs, and it's not naming which bone thugs.

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:45.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not like we saw all of bone thugs together

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 1>they shop at the mall at once. Yes, I can

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>think of like three times someone said to me we

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 1>saw bone thugs. Nobody ever called anyone if my name

0:59:54.320 --> 1:00:00.960
<v Speaker 1>really was like, I don't remember of that. I don't

1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>remember that. I'm sure, I'm sure how I remember a

1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.560
<v Speaker 1>bunch of times people like coming back from Beechwood Place

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.360
<v Speaker 1>and being so excited about it. Laston, did you have

1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:13.800
<v Speaker 1>any celebrity settings at any like Chicago area malls growing up? Oh,

1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 1>at the mall, m hmmm, I don't think so. I

1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:20.760
<v Speaker 1>think I was a little too suburban, but not in

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a in a way that celebrities would come to our mall.

1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:27.760
<v Speaker 1>It was more like suburban sad suburban if that makes sense.

1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Like the North Riverside Mall was more a place where

1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you could uh buy some Pelly Pelly jeans and then

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:37.040
<v Speaker 1>get shot at, depending on the time of day you went.

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:40.919
<v Speaker 1>Um So I yeah, No, I didn't see anybody there.

1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I did, I would say. The biggest celebrity interaction I

1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:51.000
<v Speaker 1>had as a kid was going to Chicago State University

1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 1>like one time, and I was like fifteen, and Kanye's

1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.960
<v Speaker 1>mom was the was a professor there, and so she

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:03.280
<v Speaker 1>had him basically give like a talk to kids, high

1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:05.680
<v Speaker 1>school kids who were visiting. And so they were like

1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:09.640
<v Speaker 1>three hundred of us sitting and this is before College

1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Dropout even came out, and just listen to Kanye make

1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:16.080
<v Speaker 1>beats on the table and like he was doing like

1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Spaceships and like all kinds of songs that ended up

1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:22.280
<v Speaker 1>on College Dropout on the table and being like, yeah,

1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be a hit right here, and check out

1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:26.160
<v Speaker 1>this new thing I'm working on, and he'd like seeing

1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a new thing, and we were like, this, dude's crazy,

1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:31.439
<v Speaker 1>It's so cool. So yeah, I knew, well, I knew

1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw Kanye before he uh, before he turned into

1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 1>a different Kanye. Wow. That is really amazing. Yeah, yeah,

1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:42.760
<v Speaker 1>it was fun that. It's pretty cool. I got to

1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:47.040
<v Speaker 1>see him like two or three times before college dropout

1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:52.440
<v Speaker 1>even existed, and that was like, uh, a wild transition

1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:55.160
<v Speaker 1>to watch, you know what I mean. Yeah, so okay,

1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:57.160
<v Speaker 1>so this is a yes Dolgia for you. This tells

1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.240
<v Speaker 1>absolutely I agree. I'm also yes s Dolgia for them.

1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I was very obsessed with them and um. At camp,

1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:06.640
<v Speaker 1>we did a lip singing contest to waterfalls and I

1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:12.040
<v Speaker 1>memorized the wrap I does. And it's only like recently

1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, oh, I don't have to tell everybody that.

1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:19.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't have to do it for people

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.200
<v Speaker 1>at carry, Like I don't have to like be so

1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.160
<v Speaker 1>proud of that. It's sort of like it's actually making

1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:28.320
<v Speaker 1>me less. Like I will say, that wasn't a weird

1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:32.960
<v Speaker 1>way for you to introduce yourself to me. But I

1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:37.200
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it, just not exactly what I was expecting. Yeah,

1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you've done some other stuff in US, you don't have

1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:41.600
<v Speaker 1>to lead with that. Still, it's a really it is

1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a it takes a lot of skill to do that.

1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a very Hey I'm Vanessa, and uh I saw

1:02:46.240 --> 1:02:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a rainbow yesterday. Yeah, sorry that I brought that up first.

1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:53.960
<v Speaker 1>So great, So we got three just for that. Okay,

1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:58.720
<v Speaker 1>three dollars just for that. Okay. Now, finally Verizon has

1:02:58.800 --> 1:03:05.040
<v Speaker 1>brought back, um, the Motorola razor flip phone. Okay, and

1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the new version has a full touchscreen and all the

1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:11.600
<v Speaker 1>capabilities of a smartphone. But it folds in half like

1:03:11.720 --> 1:03:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the classic razor phone, but rather than a phone that

1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:18.760
<v Speaker 1>becomes the size of a tablet when you flip it open,

1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it just when you flip it open, it becomes the

1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:24.080
<v Speaker 1>size of a normal smartphone, and then it folds up

1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:26.360
<v Speaker 1>so that it could like gets really small, like it

1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:31.920
<v Speaker 1>could fit in your pocket. Mm hmm. It's a nostalgia

1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:35.120
<v Speaker 1>for me. I I had to hear it all the

1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.200
<v Speaker 1>way through, but I think I knew I was gonna

1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:39.240
<v Speaker 1>say no right from the begin Yeah. I could tell

1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:40.760
<v Speaker 1>you kind of wanted just say no to it, and

1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of kept giving you details. I heard Motorola,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm good. Uh, I survived those years.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to go back to whatever that experience

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<v Speaker 1>was of weird colored Motorola razors. Yeah, I I agree. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and this we didn't mention, Um, it's the phone cost whoa, yeah, whoa.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like, imagine if you could fold your

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<v Speaker 1>computer in half. I think I want to take this

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<v Speaker 1>back already, but just thinking that's what laptops do, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean you could know, you're absolutely but I

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<v Speaker 1>think like these ones, you fold the screen in half.

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<v Speaker 1>But am I wrong? Yeah? I think it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like your your iPhone could just fold in half and

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<v Speaker 1>be like half, but then it's like, so it's stubby,

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<v Speaker 1>so thicker would Yeah, no, I'm good that that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound good if they want to bring back a phone

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<v Speaker 1>that I think would have a big impacting The Sidekick.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed the Sidekick. I thought that that it

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<v Speaker 1>was innovative at the time and deserves another shot, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Yeah, Sidekick was I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>it was really like when texting kind of first came out.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a sidekick, it was like you could really

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<v Speaker 1>really get into it. I need to do the toal

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<v Speaker 1>nine you know? Yeah? Did you? I didn't, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was terribly jealous of everybody who did. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the one. It was the sidekicking. There was the one

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<v Speaker 1>that you that you chirp where you could like chirt

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<v Speaker 1>people with it, and I don't remember what it was called,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was. Yeah, it just was there was like

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<v Speaker 1>the next the next. I wanted a sidekick in the

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<v Speaker 1>next sale, and I got neither, and for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>that worked out for me, you know, I guess, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah, I always wanted the Nokia like that

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<v Speaker 1>when they first came out, the Nokia phones that came

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<v Speaker 1>in different colors, like you could get like it in

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<v Speaker 1>like pastel, pink or blue. And I remember some some

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<v Speaker 1>like Girls Magazine reading it and being like all this

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<v Speaker 1>slebs have like pastel colored. Oh like the little nochia

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<v Speaker 1>brick like those little yeah yeah, like they had literally

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<v Speaker 1>no like you couldn't do anything on them except make

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls. But that's not true. You could play Snake

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<v Speaker 1>and that was a real fun game before we realized

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<v Speaker 1>that other games existed. Oh okay, okay, alright, well maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I should have gotten one. I feel like this would

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<v Speaker 1>be cool if we didn't already just have like iPhones

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<v Speaker 1>and regular smartphones, Like this would be cool if it

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<v Speaker 1>was like taking us from the flip phone to this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like it's kind of like a step

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<v Speaker 1>backwards a little bit. Yeah, it's it's you're reintroducing Jenko

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<v Speaker 1>Janes and like, I get it. There's like a nostalgic

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<v Speaker 1>sort of uh want here for some people. But this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a great investment for most people. So but I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they price it's so high that it's just just

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<v Speaker 1>for people who are really rich to think it's like nostalgic.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who the audience is. Yeah, is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine paying fifteen hundred dollars for any phone personally. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you gotta be you gotta like own a museum

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you know what I mean. Put that next

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<v Speaker 1>to a Picasso, I guess, and just these are both

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<v Speaker 1>art that nobody else could afford. Yeah, when me and

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<v Speaker 1>my wife are out at the grocery store or something,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, produce is really expensive. I'll be like, and

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<v Speaker 1>I made this joke's Vanessa yesterday too about something. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, does this thing come with WiFi? Um, that's

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of my go to joke, and this phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess actually does come with WiFi. WHOA, So the

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<v Speaker 1>joke doesn't totally work, but just my way of saying like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta give me more. Yeah. When it when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to like technology stuff, it feels like the joke

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<v Speaker 1>is it doesn't work as well with technology when everything

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<v Speaker 1>has why I find out. Okay, so that's a nostalgia

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Lankston. Jonah, it sounds like it's a nostalgia

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Yeah, it's I don't want it. It's too

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<v Speaker 1>much money. I don't Yeah, it's it's a nostalgia just

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<v Speaker 1>why Yeah. Um, I would say it's a nostalgia from

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<v Speaker 1>me to um, although I'm curious if the price point

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<v Speaker 1>comes down a little bit. You know, I'm a consumer.

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<v Speaker 1>I love products so so, but for the moment, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nostalgia for me as well. So I think we

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<v Speaker 1>got to nostalgia's and a gues stalgia. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're all agreed on all of them, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty impressive on the same page, on the same page. Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>We we synced up and we we made it happen

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<v Speaker 1>together and I like that. Yes, same well, Lenkston, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for being here with us today. It

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<v Speaker 1>was such a delight talking to you and what a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a place where people can find you other

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<v Speaker 1>than your wonderful podcast. My mama told me, yeah you can.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find me at Lengthston Kerman on all platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just Instagram, Twitter that that it's at Lengths Thon

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<v Speaker 1>Kerman and yeah, you'll find me. I'll be there. That

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<v Speaker 1>was really fun, Vanessa, Thanks so much to Lengths and

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