WEBVTT - Alien: Earth Episode 6

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode can you need spoilers for Alien Earth

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<v Speaker 1>episode six? Hello, my name is Jason Deutepcio and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Rosy Night and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>where we dive deep for their face hugger into your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite shows, these comics of pop culture comedy. You from

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<v Speaker 1>my heart where we're bringing you three episodes a week

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<v Speaker 1>plus new Sunturday, no Sun Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, the kids are not all right? Who

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<v Speaker 2>would have ever imagined that thinking that ten year olds

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<v Speaker 2>could be in the bodies of adults and deal with

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<v Speaker 2>horrific aliens would ever go wrong? Definitely not Boy Cavalist,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will get into that the Iya Purse. Is

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<v Speaker 2>he on our side? Is he not? I'm still a

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<v Speaker 2>support I we'll talk about that. But first introduced super

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<v Speaker 2>producer JOELMANI join us on this expedition to Netherland Island

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<v Speaker 2>where just bad stuff is occurring at old times good.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a fantastic episode. Let's dive in. Okay, Alien

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<v Speaker 1>Narth one oh six. The Fly, which we can only

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<v Speaker 1>assume as a reference to the classic fifties B movie

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<v Speaker 1>horror y icon of cinema, The Fly, and It's later,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Lima imagining with Jeff we open in the lab.

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<v Speaker 1>The eye in the sheep is very watchful, watching everything,

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<v Speaker 1>watching Wendy with determination, watching everything. We hear a boy

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<v Speaker 1>genius doing more podcasts, recording bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like somebody takes somebody take the ability to press,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, he's you know, he's like broadcasting it

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<v Speaker 2>right to everyone in the fucking island. I'm like, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>download it, somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you don't download it immediately to your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast player and play it. Like he gets the stat

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. He's like he's got like screen time,

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<v Speaker 2>but for his podcast where he's like, how long did

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<v Speaker 2>they listen for it? Did they listen to the whole thing?

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<v Speaker 2>I like that they are choosing creepier and creepier quotes

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<v Speaker 2>as the season goes on. They're doing a good job

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<v Speaker 2>finding the most disturbing parts of I want them.

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<v Speaker 1>I want them to cut to like the other angle

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<v Speaker 1>or the two shots, so that we see like Adam

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<v Speaker 1>with a backwards baseball cap sitting there being like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fucking crazy, yo, after reads some passage of type ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who's this special?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess?

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<v Speaker 2>This week on Netherland Island. Don't disagree with them, don't

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<v Speaker 2>tell me a word wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy, meanwhile, is in gristener her language lessons with Baby's anomorph.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of strikes out at her through the glass,

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<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't bother her that much. And the glass

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly acid resistant and super strong. The eggs and

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<v Speaker 1>all the other creatures, they're all there in the cells,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kersh and Hermit are also there on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the glass watching this language learning seminar, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course Bro Hermit is like, hey, just quick update,

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<v Speaker 1>We're this is all safe, right, Yeah, they put it out.

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<v Speaker 1>She's safe in there, the bugs, all that stuff. He

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<v Speaker 1>also wants to know from Kersh about Wendy's maintenance, like

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, you know, when does her battery run out?

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<v Speaker 1>Like when, how would I say to tears like curshs,

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<v Speaker 1>Like listen, don't fucking worry about it. Here's why you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to worry about it. One, you're like an aunt,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be like are you gonna do Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like an aunt asking like how do I build

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<v Speaker 1>a gaming PC? Like you don't know what you're doing?

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<v Speaker 1>And two boy genius is never gonna let you have her,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. And but he and you know, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>is like, yeah, but I care about her. I want

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<v Speaker 1>her every good life. He's like, listen, considering Wendy's value

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<v Speaker 1>both in dollars and her potential to invent, just put

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<v Speaker 1>it out of your mind that you will ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 1>ever have like a familial type relationship with her here

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<v Speaker 1>or anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>This is such an interesting moment for the two of

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<v Speaker 3>these people. One hermit, you got a corporate espionage better

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<v Speaker 3>you be out here asking.

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<v Speaker 2>About so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you, it's a little too dilied for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you have been a little bit like you.

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<v Speaker 3>You've seen some of the world. Presumably you like watch

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<v Speaker 3>your sister. You should be a little hardened. I think

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<v Speaker 3>by some of the encounters and experiences we know that

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<v Speaker 3>he's had it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I feel like my guy is not doing a

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<v Speaker 2>great job of like being realistic about where he stands

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<v Speaker 2>in the pecking order. Like a few days ago, you

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<v Speaker 2>were literally talking to like a faceless robot, and now

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to work out how to you know, charge

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<v Speaker 2>your hyper intelligent sister bot at one of the biggest,

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<v Speaker 2>most secret places in the world. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I feel like he's not being very sensible.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with both of you. I do think it

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<v Speaker 1>is a little played up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Can I ask you guys a question about Alex Luthor.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he have the juice for Hermit or is it

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<v Speaker 2>too much of like an introverted portrayal, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's been quite a lot of conversation about Hermit's impact.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he has the juice. I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>issue is to Joe Well's point, he has written so

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<v Speaker 1>White Knight like good guy that it's almost unbelievable. Like again,

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<v Speaker 1>he was part of this highly militarized search and rescue

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<v Speaker 1>Prodigy team that carries assault rifles into you know, emergency

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<v Speaker 1>zones to rescue people. He's not the idea that he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh golly, g do you think I'd be able to

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<v Speaker 1>have a relationship with my billion dollar robots? Like come on,

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<v Speaker 1>come on. It just does stretch credulity a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's going to be being a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more stealthy, a bit more on kind of like this

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<v Speaker 2>would be a plan why you'd have to essentially kidnap

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<v Speaker 2>her from the island and then learn how to cyber

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<v Speaker 2>hacker via you know, underground kind of hacking communities. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to have nineteen steps ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I also feel like, have Hermit and Wendy ever had

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<v Speaker 3>a fight before, like as brother and sister? Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just this relationship is underwritten.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's any of the performer's faults. I

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<v Speaker 3>just feel like, yeah, you know, given their age difference,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like approaching preteen right when she transferred.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just feel like there's not enough like tension

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<v Speaker 3>or fusion between those two characters.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also just feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there is no emotional friction that you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that would be well between I think I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is again excellent show, but I think this is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what this show is built on, is like they takes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're taking these kind of archetypical relationship sibling, boss, lieutenant,

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<v Speaker 1>right hand man, and you're kind of letting those do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the character and it usually works Elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam aka Lobot, Arthur and Dame are looking over nibs.

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur and Dame are like, we're not sure what was wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but we think it was because she was had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of significant trauma as a child, and that when

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<v Speaker 1>we you know, we did have those concerns when we

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<v Speaker 1>did the transfer, and we thought we had tweaked whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the programming enough to kind of adjust for that baseline

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<v Speaker 1>of trauma, but clearly it didn't. It didn't work, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe given enough time with therapy, some kind of they

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<v Speaker 1>have some kind of synth therapy I guess talk therapy

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<v Speaker 1>that they would go through with these beings. Dame wants

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<v Speaker 1>to let that play out. Adam says, no, just basically

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<v Speaker 1>like hold down the power button for ten seconds, let's

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<v Speaker 1>factory reset and just kind of clear it all out,

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<v Speaker 1>reset her to pre the date that she started malfunctioning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're and then that's it. Dame and Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>initially don't want to. Arthur really doesn't want to, and

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<v Speaker 1>Adam is like, I don't give a fuck because the

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<v Speaker 1>Prodigy showcase for investors and consumers coming up in three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>She needs to be up on that stage doing handstands

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<v Speaker 1>and saying I love boy genius, and that's it. Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>flat out refuses to do it. Dame's like, well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it alone. And then Adam's like, great, Arthur, you're fired.

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<v Speaker 1>You have till eod to get off the fucking island.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're here after dark, maybe you get shot. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>This throple of pain. This child just like jump like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna reform. She's like, I'll capitulate to anything. Where's

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<v Speaker 3>your backbone?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? Like I need? I will say, like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a good I actually think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great example of how people interact with power. There's

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<v Speaker 1>because there's there's two there's two philosophies, right, There's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, I'm not going to participate in this, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's well, couldn't I theoretically do more good from inside?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I not the mediating force here? Like I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's making it marginally better by being inside, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore if I cooperate a little, I can also make

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<v Speaker 1>it a little better. And I'm not saying that either

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<v Speaker 1>right correct in every situation, but it's certainly like it's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly looking sideways at Dame. I think although she may

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<v Speaker 1>have a point, right, she may. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>world in which you could see where she's coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree, but like I get it again.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna end up asking questions about how much people

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<v Speaker 2>think things through in this episode, because there are choices

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<v Speaker 2>that even if you even if you want Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>truly it's a bad decision bonanza this week on Alath, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if you were going to make the

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<v Speaker 2>choice to do this to Nibs, then there are things

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<v Speaker 2>that you need to put in place to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the things that happen in this episode do not happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did not put them into place.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that. Yeah. So Wendy leaves the lab,

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<v Speaker 1>she runs into her brother. She's very stoked at the

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<v Speaker 1>language lessons and says, I'm getting better at speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>the alien. It's hard trilling my rs is a little weird,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm getting better at it. And then Joe was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but like they're basically killer parasites, Like they just want

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe you don't need to play eggs in our

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<v Speaker 1>chest and kill us. And then like that's it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like we have they're not like us, like we have community.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just like want to kill us and eat us

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<v Speaker 1>and face on this. And Wendy's like, and it's clear

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<v Speaker 1>that Wendy is not. While she agrees that the creatures

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<v Speaker 1>are being studied and did not have agency in what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening to them, she also clearly is not rational

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Loves the zenomorph basically like a puppy already

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and it says flat out, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>one can be good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that line too, because I'm just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, she's like, guys, there's no bad animals, just

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<v Speaker 2>bad Maybe she is.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back to our conversation from the pilot, right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>so we had this conversation in the pilot about the

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<v Speaker 3>scorpion and like, what is it true?

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<v Speaker 1>They're asking very.

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<v Speaker 3>Specifically, like this thing might have community and it might

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<v Speaker 3>attack us, and if like she's having or at least

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<v Speaker 3>these thoughts implanted in her before she even makes the transition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very interesting to me that post transition she's like

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<v Speaker 3>completely doubled down on that, and that that completely aligns

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<v Speaker 3>with like what Boy Genius and ostensibly cursh one be

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<v Speaker 3>really interested to see. I have a new theory that

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<v Speaker 3>Curge and boy Genius might be somewhat on the same

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<v Speaker 3>page more than we're aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Okay, I'm excited to talk more about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk about that. I'm excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I'll just say that in terms of, like,

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<v Speaker 1>could she not be correct about this alien being good?

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<v Speaker 1>When you release an alien in a room full of assholes,

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<v Speaker 1>it will seem like it's doing good things. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good point, good point, good point. Okay, she she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see like an a look and look, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the We are the people who were pro I we

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<v Speaker 2>were pro and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on this island of assholes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Like, so you know, I feel that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a good point. You're like, we have yet to see

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<v Speaker 2>the alien in like kindergarten, where maybe she would start

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<v Speaker 2>to feel differently about.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, Wendy basically gets her back up about this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation because Joe is kind of like being very dismissive

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<v Speaker 1>about the value of her working with the alien, even

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<v Speaker 1>that they exist here on Earth, and she's like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a yes place. Boy genius always says, we just

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<v Speaker 1>say yes here, which, again in the context of billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>islands back children on them is and yet another dark

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<v Speaker 1>mirror into the world we live. And she basically tells

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<v Speaker 1>hermit like, we only say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, and I'm not the star of nothing. I'm okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Legitimately this is bad, well, Joe says later in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode to underline the metaphor even stronger. Know is how

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<v Speaker 1>we take control of our bodies, which is yes, well, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to the mediation meeting, Utani and Genius facing

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<v Speaker 1>off across this long table, their lawyers on either side,

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<v Speaker 1>a mediator in the middle, Marrow and Kersh standing beside

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<v Speaker 1>their respective bosses, and Utani makes her case as as

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<v Speaker 1>boy Genius, with his bare feet disgusting up on the table,

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<v Speaker 1>picks his toes and her point, and her point is

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<v Speaker 1>basically like, the ship is my property, everything on it

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<v Speaker 1>is my property, give it back. And then boy Genius

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<v Speaker 1>is like not unfairly, like, well, your ship crashed into

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<v Speaker 1>my city and killed untold numbers of people that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about, but still causing a significant dollar value damage.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, also like was it on purpose? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you purposefully? Exactly, like we need to look at all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things, you know, exact like he did at

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<v Speaker 1>the stable.

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<v Speaker 2>Did this he is like truly giving a performance of

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<v Speaker 2>a lifetime because you just want to sell this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love yes, Rosie, Like it has been I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this old driving around yesterday. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>minute since I hated a villain like this, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen a villain in a show that is this

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<v Speaker 1>catable in a in a in a second, and he is.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for him to get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our TV shows like and all right, we already hate

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<v Speaker 1>the Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>We hate those are those are the character those are

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we are. We know about and we've

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<v Speaker 2>known the bad for a long time, so that is

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<v Speaker 2>an inherent feeling that you have against them. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a personal kind of hate. He is so disrespectful, he's

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<v Speaker 2>so awful, he's so entitled. The whole time, I was

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<v Speaker 2>really sitting there like wishing for a you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kill Bill esque, like somebody just comes in and

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<v Speaker 2>chops off his feet, taking.

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<v Speaker 1>Your tony side.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm like, I'm literally sitting there like this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is so fucking disrespectful, Just fucking kill him, Like why

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<v Speaker 2>why is he being allowed to babe like this? Like

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Watching a woman executive hundreds of years from now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, still he talked over me.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just like wait and I'm like, please, God make.

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<v Speaker 1>It in so then boy Genius makes it a really

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<v Speaker 1>the salient point, which is, well, mister mediator, did you

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<v Speaker 1>know this ship was filled with illegal alien creatures that

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<v Speaker 1>have been brought to Earth in direct violation of several

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<v Speaker 1>international and corporate laws. You tanis like, okay, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do. Give me. Here's I'll give you twenty billion.

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<v Speaker 1>And I promised that the creatures were going to an

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<v Speaker 1>off world research facility. That's where they were going when

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<v Speaker 1>they crashed. They were never gonna come to Earth. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to that facility, and then we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about that. And she's like, yes, sounds great,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million, that's good after the six week quarantine though, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which again the law is very clear on this six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to wait six weeks. And she's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty billion annoying, and you pack them up right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And boy Genius was like, no, I must follow the laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, not even about I've got I've got lots of money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is such an interesting, interesting moment because look,

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<v Speaker 2>the Utani boy genius of it all is so great,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are they have such good furious like Nemesis chemistry.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm most interested in this scene is the

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<v Speaker 2>notion of the Five and the way that the Five

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<v Speaker 2>govern because they just sent some random guy who I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>nine out of ten chants that that motherfucker is a

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<v Speaker 2>sent first of all, probably the way that he was

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<v Speaker 2>overseeing it, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Lack of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very interested that even in the terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are in charge, right, Utani is one of

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<v Speaker 2>these corporations. Prodigy is one of these corporations that supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>run the company and the countries. But they sent like

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<v Speaker 2>a mediator, not a higher boss, not someone who seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have any kind of real ownership or control over

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<v Speaker 2>the situation, just a guy who stands there and says like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>uh no, is this true. I just find it very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much more I want to know about the

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<v Speaker 2>Five and how they are controlled and run.

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<v Speaker 3>It does give the idea that the other companies are

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<v Speaker 3>more powerful than waylan Utahi like, because between corporations makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But to your point, if it's two bosses of two

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<v Speaker 3>of the major spaces, then typically you would think that

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<v Speaker 3>there would at first be some kind of like let's

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<v Speaker 3>come together and talk about it before we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe the other three would be involved to try

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought it was really interesting at these two

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<v Speaker 3>what happens to the rest, So yeah, that is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Karmen is a theory that Adam is puppeting everything, which

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<v Speaker 3>I find really intriguing.

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<v Speaker 2>I could read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be really interesting to see.

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<v Speaker 3>She's been looking at some of the frames and just

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<v Speaker 3>positioning and Adam always seems to sort of be behind

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<v Speaker 3>boy Genius and a sort of puppeting position, and then Boyd.

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<v Speaker 3>She mentioned way Genius is clothing this episode, it's particularly

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<v Speaker 3>like thready there's like a lot of strings hanging from it.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's on that theory right now, which I find

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like that one.

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<v Speaker 1>So Marrow pulls you tany aside for a second and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, and she's like, what's what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>your mission? And he's like, I think there's a high

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood we get at least one creature back by end

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<v Speaker 1>of day. That's from his little slightly uh sneak in

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<v Speaker 1>mission and he tells his boss that you should also

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<v Speaker 1>know that Prodigy is up security on the island and

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<v Speaker 1>expectation that we would attack them frontal attack, and he

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<v Speaker 1>recommends destabilizing the island and getting the creatures out in

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos, an interesting line considering what comes next. Kurush

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<v Speaker 1>gets on the elevator with Morrow and let me just say,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need this is just a this is a nitpick,

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<v Speaker 1>not about alien Okay. The trope where the character gets

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<v Speaker 1>on the elevator and you watch the doors closed, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know the hand is coming in the door to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the door open, and then I just know that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen, so like just get to it anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so anyway, I just know I'm gonna see that hand

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<v Speaker 1>come in and stop the door. Kirse stops the door,

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<v Speaker 1>comes in the elevator, starts talking a bunch of shit,

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<v Speaker 1>calling Morrow almost human, since that a human that thinks

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.680
<v Speaker 1>he's a machine. And then Marrow's like, well you're looking, yeah,

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you're an out of date model. You're like a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>You're like a three year old toaster, Like what are

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<v Speaker 1>you even talking about? So they're just like roasting each

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<v Speaker 1>other and then Morrow is like, listen, you know what

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I love about killing since is they have no pay,

0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't feel pain. You can just keep chopping them up,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're lucid the whole time, telling me everything I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, little fucking tiny bits, and Kersh is like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's going to be really fun when you

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<v Speaker 1>figure out that you're still a man, that even though

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<v Speaker 1>you have some like machine parts implanted in you, you're

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<v Speaker 1>still a guy whose eyeballs can be popped out. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you're like, I can't wait for them to fucking thrown.

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I am good with this scene. I really really am.

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<v Speaker 2>Was so good together.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing I walked away thinking about most from this

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<v Speaker 3>scene is the idea that Okay, Kersh Knowsmorrow is like

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<v Speaker 3>in the kid's head, like he's aware, he's heard him

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<v Speaker 3>listening to the conversation, so that like this was such

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<v Speaker 3>a clear plan of attack. The way he fucks with

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<v Speaker 3>Marrow is the same way Marrow was fucking with the kid, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the exact scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me completely destabilize you, let me get inside your head,

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<v Speaker 3>let me figure out what you know or think about me.

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<v Speaker 3>And the fact that he thinks like, oh, you're outdated

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<v Speaker 3>technology and you're not prepared like I think Marrow. So

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<v Speaker 3>for as munch of an advantage as he has. I

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<v Speaker 3>think by discounting Kurge, we're gonna see that table hurt

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 3>him like a lot come down the line once he

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<v Speaker 3>gets to the island himself.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's really absolutely I can't wait to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this much more. When we were going with cap, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick Craig, will.

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<v Speaker 2>You rep we're rack.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to the lab where Dame reboots Nibs. Wendy's

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<v Speaker 1>there when Nibs wakes up and Nibs is like, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel fun, I feel great. I feel like I just

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<v Speaker 1>slept a lot. And then Wendy, who, like I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>has not been briefed on what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest issue, this is my biggest issue. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like Dame knows enough about Wendy and the way Wendy works.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be very easy to manipulate Wendy in the

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<v Speaker 2>situation and say, hey, Nibs was really struggling. She was

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<v Speaker 2>a danger to herself, she was a danger to others. Yeah,

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 2>we've had to go back in and you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>help her, we've taken away some of her memories of

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 2>her trauma. Isn't that what everybody would want? Blah blah,

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 2>blah and kind of set Wendy up to know this

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<v Speaker 2>has happened. When I realized they hadn't told Wendy, I

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, you guys are just dumb at this point,

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Like Dave, I don't know what is going on with you, Dave,

0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 2>but this was always gonna blow up in your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy brings up all the troubling stuff the baby, do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember when you crashed out? Do you remember the

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<v Speaker 1>crash that we went to with all the remember that

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>really scared you? And Wendy is like super confused. And

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<v Speaker 1>now she's even more confused because she's realizing that she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have information that everybody else has and why can't

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>she remember?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's making her immediately feel more crazy. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna lead to a bad situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So this gets Wendy really upset and she realizes that

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<v Speaker 1>Damon Arthur must know something about this. We hear more

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:06.159
<v Speaker 1>of Fu Boy Genius fucking podcast of what everybody's up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy looking out at the sea. Okay, slightly, yes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just want to say though it's painful, but truth, isn't

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>that like so real that even when you are like

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<v Speaker 2>a billionaire, and you have all this money and you

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>have all these people under your control. I feel like

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 2>being like, yeah, and now I have an active listening

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>base to my podcast who can never turn it off,

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and he just brokeross it across the state. That's like,

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 2>it feels very real. It feels like deeply, deeply real.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really fucking nuts. Also sucks. It's just him reading

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<v Speaker 1>to your pan literally word for word anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>No no critical thought on it, no ideas about what

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<v Speaker 2>it means. Obviously, not interacting with the the art itself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why this is all gonna go hardly wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Slightly is in the jungle with Moorrow in his ear,

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 1>basically telling him like, you gotta go in, you gotta

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>go in, you gotta do the mission now. Smee finds

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:01.479
<v Speaker 1>him as Slightly doesn't want to talk. They talk about,

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're basically they talk around being what you know,

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>their existence right now, and sme thinks that, you know,

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>being a grown up sucks and we can't just play

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 1>like we used to as kids, and Slightly it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>right after I take care of this mysterious thing I

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.679
<v Speaker 1>need to take care of, we're gonna play I promise

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and happy about that. Yeah, when me gave him.

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<v Speaker 2>A grown up hug, I was like, I wanted to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the kids stuff is I understand that for

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.879
<v Speaker 2>some people it's like not hitting that hard, but I

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 2>think when they play with the balance between like the

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>emotional vulnerability and openness of kids and kind of how

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>they are having to all grow up because of the

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>way that the adults around them are treating them, whether

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, Wendy or whether it's me, or whether

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 2>it's most Hey, you know slightly with being kind of

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>manipulated by Morrow. It's just it's kind of heartbreaking to watch,

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and I think it does bring some extra emotional layers.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree because Rosie, if you think about too, we

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 3>hear Dame tell Adam that like NIBBs was damaged before

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 3>they brought her into the program, like she has psychological

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 3>issues pre program, which is terrifying that they then have

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 3>sort of put her in this position. And given the

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 3>line from the book, we get the thin sticks out most,

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 3>which is like, yea, once they started to realize they

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 3>were growing up, Peter would like take them out.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thin you heard.

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<v Speaker 3>I think really sort of resonated with me this idea

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 3>of like, you know, we saw Dame's hubby get fired

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 3>as soon as he starts asking questions about like morals

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.399
<v Speaker 3>and ethics are like, you could actually just get right

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 3>the fuck about it here, Like we don't need you

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 3>to be asking any questions really, And again, I just

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 3>think in a series that's particularly been about the horrors

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 3>women face and then a lot of that being about motherhood,

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.719
<v Speaker 3>to bring it to children here it works for me

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 3>on a lot of levels.

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's welcome for me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me ask you this, what should happen to

0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>the to the hybrids? Mostly shut them all off? I think, yeah,

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>but what should happen like you gain control of Prodigy?

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>You do what I what I do? I stop this

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>program immediately, and I do a leny mice of men

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 1>thing and go look at oh, look at the question over.

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 2>There, and then I shut them all off. Jay that

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it's over.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I'm just curious.

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 3>They said, like, okay, kids, you know, I think if

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 3>we don't traumatize them, give them some space to be

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 3>like go live.

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>But are they let mean, are they kids or as

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>as other characters in this have said, are they ais

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>that are programmed to respond in a certain way, and

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>they think that's are they chat They are people like,

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, how good is the programming? It's a really

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>good question. Mm hmmm.

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I think you made the epically correct choice, Jason. I

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>think that is what should be done. I also think

0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>if they were like crying and being like, no, please

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>don't turn me off, I would also like bet it

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>would be hard.

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying immediately choice, I just feel like we don't.

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's the only way to make sure

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>that no more harm is done. Anyway, slightly fails to

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 1>get Joe Slash Hermit down to the lab to get

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>face hugged. He really tries, but he comes off as

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>a weirdo. But unfortunately, Hermit gets called to go on

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>patrol due to the heightened security on the island. He

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>goes on patrol with Bronsky and Siberian. They gossip about

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. Hermit is asking questions.

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And they also like, broke, could we just stay here?

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Like this is actually kind of a solid gig.

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're loving it. It's a steady paycheck. All you

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>do is walk through the jungle like nothing really bad

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>is happening and the moment, meanwhile, is asking questions that

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>are so obvious, like how far do you think we

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>are from the mainland? Does anybody's see any boats around here? Dummy?

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, please do some reconnaissance.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, my guy. Siberian has to be like, hey,

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>don't fuck this up for us. Okay, don't down in

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the lab. Wendy's continuing the language lessons with the alien

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that is, and the alien's fucking big.

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Now it's happened. It's happened.

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Kursh rives back on the island with Adam and boy Genius.

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>He calls Tootles to basically say, hey, go down there,

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>seed and water. The creatures run the next experiment on

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the list. Okay, yeah, where's Curly? Can I talk to Curly?

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>And Tootles like, oh he's with Curly and uh smee.

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>But he wants He's so eager to do things on

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>his own that he's like, oh, I have no idea

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>where they are. I'll do it. I got it, I

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>got a boss. He goes down the lab. The Eye

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>remains watchful this whole time, watching everything for them with

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>a very keen gaze.

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 3>With the pizza slices we have to talk about the triangles.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, yea, I saw them right, I'm not

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 3>crazy the witch. No, okay, it when we're on that

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 3>close up of the sheep. The eye, yes, is iris

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 3>is cut into like pizza slices, and a triangle comes

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 3>from where we can't see and back into the eye

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 3>and slots into place.

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>What the dissect part of it can.

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Travel and move?

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>What did that mean.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>For me?

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Is the is it just optically look like an eye

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>and not necessarily function as one, Like I'm so well.

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>That it sees through even though it looks like a

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>traditional eye sees through multiple lenses like a flies, so

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>it would make sense if they were segmented out. Also,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we got to talk about the eye

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>because last week, you know, we were talking about being

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 2>pro I we felt like the eye had done a

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>really good job trying to help that lady. And then

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, that was the general consensus across most of

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 2>internet and also our discord. And it was only after

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>listening to the official pod that people kind of went, oh,

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I guess, Noah, Holey was the eye was meant to

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>be distracting her. It wasn't meant to be helping her.

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that we have to talk about it because

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I think that is a failure in storytelling. No, No,

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that's bad storytelling because I think it was unclear and

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>I think it was an It added an interesting complexity. Yeah,

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 2>it connects to the end.

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I think there are other things like that that I

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about. Okay, So basically, so Tootles is

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>feeding all the animals and then he gets to the bugs.

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>But then the feeding shoot door just comes off in

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>his hands, clearly been tampered with the eye and the

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>sheep is like, yes, my plan coming together at least

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>seems like that. I'm now anthropomorphizing the sheep, and Tootles

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>does everything that you could possibly do wrong. You override

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>every safety door. He goes into the fucking door and

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>basically props it open with his foot. While he's in there,

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the bu bugs stirring in the hive, and the sheep

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>hits the hands, knocking him over. He gets locked in

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the fucking case with the bugs, and one thing leads

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to another. The bug spraying with acid devour his face.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Unclear if they actually eat him.

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that just having fun, just like licking around.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>The silk juice they might him tray.

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the food in the tray is all tech stuff,

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 3>so like it's like like, oh, this is perfect, it'll

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 3>destroy They melt him and they eat him.

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>And the eye and the bugs are all seemed to

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>be celebrating and just bad, bad stuff goes crazy here.

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I will note for further to have Uh to table

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>in our conversation later that it made no sense to

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>me that alarms didn't go off all throughout the compound

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>as soon as Toodles was taken off line. That's dumb.

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Dame goes to see Wendy. Wendy's troubled about nibs. Uh

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Dame tells her, listen, it's really complicated and we had

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to reboot her. There was a glitch, and Wendy's getting

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>more and more and more upset. And Wendy is clearly

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>beginning to draw the inference that she's clearly beginning to

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>empathize with the specimens and see that she is a

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>specimen exactly. She is being studied in the lab. She

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>is being forced into choices that are not hers to make,

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and she's not able to make decisions for her own

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>life up to and including her own memories, potentially has

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>happened to NIBBs, and she begins to think, maybe the

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>glitch in this situation is you, Dame, and the others

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>like you. And Wendy says that she wants to she

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 1>wants to see the world as it truly is and

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to push past like human emotion and to try to

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>see it in this kind of dispassionate way, and she

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>thinks that humans inability to do that means that maybe

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>they are the glitch, or she might mean specifically Dame,

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>but she seems to be also making a larger statement

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>about humanity. Arthur is packing to leave. Toodles is dead

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>on the security screen. He doesn't see it. Hermit comes

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>to see him and basically is like asking all these

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>questions about Wendy, the same kind of questions, like how

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>do I charge her? You know she's safe here. I

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>just want to ask you this, And so Arthur is

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>like makes a dramatic stage turn to the security cameras

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 1>twenty second slow motion turned to the camera, and then

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 1>turns back to Joe and says, oh, yes, sir, it

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>is very safe here. He couldn't be sicker. Say let

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>me show you how safe everyone is. I'll show you

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the synthetics, including your sister's vitals on the screen right now.

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>And then he types on a notepad like get her

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>out of here, here's the boat code. And then he

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 1>turns off Wendy's tracker so that Arthur can potentially be

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>successful getting getting went out of here. And then when

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Hermit leaves, Arthur notices now the first time that Tootles

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>is offline, slightly goes down to the lab. Kersh is

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>watching all of this on the security cams. It's you know,

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>he must know by now that Tootles is dead, but

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>he has no reaction to this. It's unclear truly if

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>he knows the Tootles is dead, but he must anyway, Yeah,

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>slightly lose his nerve at the keypad, but luckily Arthur

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>shows up, and Arthur making the worst decision you could

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>pop is the last day, Like you're done, your shift

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>is over. This is like you work at a pizza

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 1>restaurant and somebody comes in at ten fifty five, you

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>close it eleven and is like give me three pizzas. No,

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you're done, bro, what do you Why are you here? Anyway,

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>he goes down there, he goes in the lab again.

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Kurse watching it all, Arthur sees that Toodles is dead,

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and Arthur just does a bunch of He goes in

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 1>the bug pen. Dumb Tootles is clearly fucked. He's trying

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>to lift Toodles. Must weigh four hundred pounds, I means.

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this is another thing that is that they

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>are doing a lot of interesting things they were. I'm like,

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.959
<v Speaker 2>was that a choice by the actor who plays at

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>that to act like you weigh like that? Is that

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the nature of what they are? Is it something that

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>they built? Then yeah, I mean because it's just But

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 2>also then you see the.

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Face, it's like it's there's a lot of metal and

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>plastic and ceramic components like that. It must be heavy,

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>must be really heavy. And Arthur sees the bugs stirring,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 1>and then he looks over and notices that the egg

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>door is open. And now it's all going to be bad.

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>The eye and the zeno more for watching this like

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>they are watching like Glengarry Glenn Ross on Broadway at

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the edges of their I gotta say, and they're like,

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>oh baby, it's gonna have it. And slightly and now

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 1>outside the lab is locked in and it's like I

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>have to do this for my family. Arthur's like, but

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I have a family, No, bro, you're getting face. It

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>happens quickly, an incredible like like five meter leap by

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the face hugger bang right onto Arthur's face, and it's

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's done. Kursh is watching this on the iPad

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>with Boy Genius in the helicopter. He's watching very dispassionately.

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Boy Genius seems to notice some flicker of reaction cross

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 1>across Chris's face, like, hey, you good, and Kursh's like,

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:36.879
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I'm doing great, and then goes right back

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to his iPad, slightly goes into the lab. He drags

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Arthur away into events so that, as per Morrow's instructions,

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 1>he can hide the body until like we're ready for

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that hatching.

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Classically you want as animal fan event. So that's great.

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile the bugs are now free flying all around

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the lab and so like he slightly has to hide

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>from these bugs which would love to melt need him.

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>And as this is all happening, we have a close

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>up pan on the sheep who is clearly like, my

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:15.720
<v Speaker 1>moment is coming, my vengeance, My moment of revenge is coming.

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>The Eye sheep CG is so good because that motherfucker

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 2>look nefarious like he's looking and he is just so happy.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>That is that I like when they zoom in the

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>breath on the glass and he's just like.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Also again, just have to say like, I think that

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the way they were imagining that moment hitting

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 2>was probably like if you'd have perceived the Eye to

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 2>have been the orchestra of the whole time, if that

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>narrative moment that was meant to hit last episode hit properly,

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you'd probably be feeling like, what this guy's like evil?

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 2>But right now I'm still just like, yeah, man, he's

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 2>just trying to get out. He's just trying to get

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 2>out of this situation where they're tormenting and torturing him.

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm still on his side because also as well,

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>something I will say, I know that we're going to

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 2>get into the tech of it all because the lab

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>is badly built. There are no alarms. Why when one

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.399
<v Speaker 2>of the trackers goes off on one of the kids,

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 2>does it not as immediately Now, I will say there

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 2>is a horrible dark version of that, which is that

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>certain people on the island would want to turn off

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 2>those trackers so they could do whatever they wanted to

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 2>those kids, which again leads to that harsh, sad, real

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.919
<v Speaker 2>world kind of equivalent that this is drawing. But also

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I will say, you know what, I think about a lot.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>It brings me a lot of joy in life when

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 2>I think about it, and I think about it a

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 2>lot every time I watch a sci fi and think, well,

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't very well made, or if I had all

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 2>that money, I would do a better job. Do you

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 2>remember when they did the Tesla cyber truck demonstration and

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 2>they were showing how the windows were like bulletproof, and

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>then he threw a baseball at it and it just

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>shatted the window. I think about that a lot, because

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.919
<v Speaker 2>that was the moment that was meant to impress people

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>who were consumers. It was also supposed to showcase to

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a board that the thing worked like. There is such

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 2>an arrogance and assumption in those spaces about people's own

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 2>intelligence and what they can do that I actually think

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>how badly the island is run is probably quite realistic.

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I will say that I think that it is. I

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>think that some of the storytelling is not up to snuff.

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Of the rest of the show in a way that

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.879
<v Speaker 1>makes things ambiguous in ways that they shouldn't be. Yes,

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>like the eye distracting not helping is small, but like

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>is one of those moments where you're like, it was

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>not told clearly, and it was. I think that the

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>fact that it was a big story point early that

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Boy Genius can watch and hear and everything that is

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 1>being and heard and said by the senses being recorded

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>at all times. Yeah, And I think it's I think

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's I think it's weird that when Toodles dies there

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>aren't a media alarms that go off. I think it's

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I think these things.

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Are meant to cost a billion dollars each at least,

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Like the fact that he dies that should have immediately

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>set it off. Also, why are you sending children to

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>do Why are you sending billion dollar children robots to

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 2>do chores?

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to a quick breaking with your upon how

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>well I do believe here's my Now, I'll go into

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>theory land. I think that you know, we've already seen

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 1>one bit of corporate espionage, which is Boy Genius turning

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the chief engineer, one of the engineers of the Imagine

0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:59.959
<v Speaker 1>now right to his side and getting him to crash

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>a ship onto Prodigy Island. I think that listen Utani's

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. I think that there is probably some like

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>hidden programming in Kersh that has been activated, yes, give

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 1>him a spy for Utani, and that whether Marrow knows

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.760
<v Speaker 1>it or not, they are potentially working on the same side,

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>unaware of the fact that both are doing that. And

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that you could read a lot of Kersh's

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>like I think there's a world in which Kersh nerfed

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the trackers and all the stuff so that no alarms

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:40.800
<v Speaker 1>will go off, which would be cool, but also like

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I need that scene, like I kind of need, but

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what's going on. I would I lean

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>towards that that Kirsh rather than Kersh making an independent

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>decision that like, We're going to rise up and kill

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the Masters with the help of the you know, I'm

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>tired of being a machine that works for a man.

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to join arms with my alien brethren and

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 1>we're going to take over. I am more inclined to

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>believe that this is one of Utani's fallbacks. Yeah, yeah,

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and that the chaos that is going to happen on

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the island when when Morrow says here's what I think

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you should do. I think you should I think we

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>should cause chaos. I think Utani took that advisement and

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.879
<v Speaker 1>ran with it and used her as using her other

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 1>agent to cause the chaos. That's what I think you think.

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Kirsh is a Utani agent?

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think he works unknowingly, That's what Jason's saying.

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, well, I mean unknowingly, who knows? Like knowingly. I

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 1>think one thing we know about Utani is they make sense, right,

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and they seem to be the prime producer and probably

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.879
<v Speaker 1>the only company that has the rights to make sense.

0:44:58.200 --> 0:44:59.959
<v Speaker 1>And we also know that Kersh is an old model,

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>has been stated by divers other characters. He's been around

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.839
<v Speaker 1>a while, right, So I think that it only makes sense,

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like if you're Utani and we see this with tech

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>companies now, like there's a reason why, I say, other

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>countries are like, we don't want to use Windows, we

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to use Mac. We're there's a reason why

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 1>in this country where like DGI drones made in China

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>are now banned. It's for this exact reason that they

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine that it would make sense for Utani

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>to implant something in all of their sense that if

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 1>they happen to get into a sensitive position, they can

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>then be triggered and can then leak all the information

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 1>back to their masters. And I think that's what Kursh's doing.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes the conversation and the elevator really intriguing

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 3>because it's one of the first thing Marro says to

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Curis is like, oh, you have like babysit your replacements essentially,

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 3>and if he's like, you know, if they're essentially of

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 3>the same company, you know, they're designed of the same space.

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 3>And again this idea of chaos coming from the same points,

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 3>the fact that it's you Tani, a woman led like corporation.

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.719
<v Speaker 3>If we can bring back the horrors of women again

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 3>through Utani, I will absolutely scream with joy, Like I

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 3>really really appreciate sort of the layers we're getting throughout

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>this series, you know, thinking even just.

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>About like Curley's previous role.

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 3>I hope we get more of her next week because

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 3>this whole like vying for attention and supremacy sort of

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 3>situation that we've seen with the other kids this episode, I.

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Think really speaks to her character.

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 3>And if Wendy's gonna go off and do her own

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 3>thing and run away with her brother possible next episode.

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Really would love.

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Between Curly and Wendy or team up with his amore.

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Her brother was not asking questions this episode. He was like, yeah,

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 3>she was like, yeah, what if I would like to

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 3>be here? Like what if I'm enjoying.

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to learn how to you know, speak to

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 2>his animal and do my little thing. But yeah, this

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 2>is a very interesting place that and kind of time

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>that we are in, because this really could shift what

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 2>we know about pretty much of all of Alien And

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.439
<v Speaker 2>I do think the notion that you Tanny is out

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 2>here hunting these creatures down and has specific wants and

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.520
<v Speaker 2>reasons for them and is willing to spend fifty billion

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 2>dollars to get them back, is incredibly intriguing. And Yeah,

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm really excited to see where it goes.

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I think you guys have really touched on the stuff

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 2>that I think is most interesting from this episode. And

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm just really intrigued to see if they can stick

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>the landing because there's two more episodes left that part.

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 2>We don't know if there's going to be a second season,

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and they either have to destroy the entire landscape and

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 2>universe that they set up in the next two episodes

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 2>with pure chaos to get us back to the place

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>that we know before Alien begins, or they're going to

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>have to establish the second season is going to be

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.399
<v Speaker 2>a direct follow on and we will learn more then.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>So I'm worried it don't feel like a finished story.

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jason, So I want to ask you, like, what

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 3>do you think we need in the penn ultimate episode

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:25.760
<v Speaker 3>to set us up for a solid finale?

0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Great question.

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I think we need. I think we I think that

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>we need I think we need to understand by that

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 1>point where all the characters loyalties lie and who's working

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>for who. There's less ambiguity on that In that regard,

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to understand. I don't know. I

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of feel like we need to understand what you

0:48:56.239 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>tany and or prodigies thoughts about what they could do

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>with these.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I agree, because they are such a high risk proposition.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 2>They're illegal, they're dangerous, their blood is made of acid.

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 2>They are the ultimate weapon. But also, you guys already

0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>own countries and continents, So what would you need an

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 2>ultimate weapon for? Is it a terraforming thing? Like kind

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 2>of what they touched on an alien best Predator. I

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:28.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I'm in I think you're right, Jason, I

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>really need to know why they want them.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then I think we need to figure out

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a way to get out of the story where that.

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I remain convinced. I feel like they're going

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to nuke the island from space all the end of it.

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because did I did think that was white?

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Does all this none of this stuff exists? You know?

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like it's going to be nuked for morbid,

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>It's the only way to be sure. And I feel

0:49:58.280 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 1>like they're going to do that.

0:50:01.320 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>When we're running around with his Animore just killing everyone

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 2>on the island. I mean, I would love to see

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 2>it would be crazy, but maybe we get a little

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 2>bit of action like that.

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about what about you, dul What do you

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>think we'll make for a I don't know, a landed ending? Yeah.

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about penultimate episodes and how I often

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 3>feel they're more important than the finale. To me, a

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 3>great penultimate episode almost feels like a finale because when

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.319
<v Speaker 3>you gither, you're like, wait, what happens? Like, how how

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 3>could there pause that? What happens next, Like I think,

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.840
<v Speaker 3>like I'm trying to think of a good one, Like

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 3>is it season two Game of Thrones where the penultimate

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:43.920
<v Speaker 3>episode is the big battle in the.

0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Usually would do the penal as the big action episode

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and then the finale.

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 3>There's all of this build up to the battle, but

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the fallout is what the finale should be. And if

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 3>that's the case, then what you want is the sort

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 3>of like chaotic, almost Jurassic Park esque episode. I think

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm looking for in my penultimate. It's like, yeah,

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.600
<v Speaker 3>the creatures are out, We're all trying to figure out

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 3>how to survive. I think mass death is necessary to

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 3>your point, we know we're coming to a stopping point,

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 3>and we know that where this show ends and where

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Alien picks up, or at least we assume, you know,

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 3>they're pretty close together. They're only a year apart, so

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 3>a lot needs to change before we get to that point.

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, I think we need a lot of

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 3>characters out of here. And all I have to say

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 3>is me better survive.

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not pretty. I know I'm sweet as a sweet,

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 2>sweet sweet boy. Yeah, I do think we could be

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<v Speaker 2>with the chaos element. I do think next week could

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<v Speaker 2>be an action heavy episode where everything kind of gets

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<v Speaker 2>decimated and then we see the fallout, we see where

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<v Speaker 2>the curse is kind of a He does seem like

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<v Speaker 2>a David, you know, a linearly connect, linear connection to

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<v Speaker 2>a David, and the kind of curiosity he has feels

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<v Speaker 2>like that, So maybe that could be the connection as

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<v Speaker 2>well to Utani. But yeah, I think that you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Next episode death, chaos, alien action, and then probably a

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<v Speaker 2>finale that tries to establish how any of that gets

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<v Speaker 2>cleared up, whether it be nuke from space or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in the next episode of X ray Vision, we're

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<v Speaker 1>diving into another edition of X ray Vision group chat Exert.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see and of course that's it for this episode.

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