Speaker 1: Warning today's episode can you need spoilers for Alien Earth
Speaker 1: episode six? Hello, my name is Jason Deutepcio and I'm
Speaker 1: Rosy Night and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, the kids are not all right? Who
Speaker 2: would have ever imagined that thinking that ten year olds
Speaker 2: could be in the bodies of adults and deal with
Speaker 2: horrific aliens would ever go wrong? Definitely not Boy Cavalist,
Speaker 2: and we will get into that the Iya Purse. Is
Speaker 2: he on our side? Is he not? I'm still a
Speaker 2: support I we'll talk about that. But first introduced super
Speaker 2: producer JOELMANI join us on this expedition to Netherland Island
Speaker 2: where just bad stuff is occurring at old times good.
Speaker 1: This is a fantastic episode. Let's dive in. Okay, Alien
Speaker 1: Narth one oh six. The Fly, which we can only
Speaker 1: assume as a reference to the classic fifties B movie
Speaker 1: horror y icon of cinema, The Fly, and It's later,
Speaker 1: you know Lima imagining with Jeff we open in the lab.
Speaker 1: The eye in the sheep is very watchful, watching everything,
Speaker 1: watching Wendy with determination, watching everything. We hear a boy
Speaker 1: genius doing more podcasts, recording bro.
Speaker 2: Just like somebody takes somebody take the ability to press,
Speaker 2: like you know, he's you know, he's like broadcasting it
Speaker 2: right to everyone in the fucking island. I'm like, somebody
Speaker 2: download it, somebody.
Speaker 1: I think if you don't download it immediately to your
Speaker 1: podcast player and play it. Like he gets the stat
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. He's like he's got like screen time,
Speaker 2: but for his podcast where he's like, how long did
Speaker 2: they listen for it? Did they listen to the whole thing?
Speaker 2: I like that they are choosing creepier and creepier quotes
Speaker 2: as the season goes on. They're doing a good job
Speaker 2: finding the most disturbing parts of I want them.
Speaker 1: I want them to cut to like the other angle
Speaker 1: or the two shots, so that we see like Adam
Speaker 1: with a backwards baseball cap sitting there being like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's fucking crazy, yo, after reads some passage of type ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's this special?
Speaker 1: Guess?
Speaker 2: This week on Netherland Island. Don't disagree with them, don't
Speaker 2: tell me a word wrong.
Speaker 1: Wendy, meanwhile, is in gristener her language lessons with Baby's anomorph.
Speaker 1: It kind of strikes out at her through the glass,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't bother her that much. And the glass
Speaker 1: is clearly acid resistant and super strong. The eggs and
Speaker 1: all the other creatures, they're all there in the cells,
Speaker 1: and Kersh and Hermit are also there on the other
Speaker 1: side of the glass watching this language learning seminar, and
Speaker 1: of course Bro Hermit is like, hey, just quick update,
Speaker 1: We're this is all safe, right, Yeah, they put it out.
Speaker 1: She's safe in there, the bugs, all that stuff. He
Speaker 1: also wants to know from Kersh about Wendy's maintenance, like
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, when does her battery run out?
Speaker 1: Like when, how would I say to tears like curshs,
Speaker 1: Like listen, don't fucking worry about it. Here's why you
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about it. One, you're like an aunt,
Speaker 1: and it would be like are you gonna do Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like an aunt asking like how do I build
Speaker 1: a gaming PC? Like you don't know what you're doing?
Speaker 1: And two boy genius is never gonna let you have her,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And but he and you know, Joe
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, but I care about her. I want
Speaker 1: her every good life. He's like, listen, considering Wendy's value
Speaker 1: both in dollars and her potential to invent, just put
Speaker 1: it out of your mind that you will ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever have like a familial type relationship with her here
Speaker 1: or anywhere else.
Speaker 3: This is such an interesting moment for the two of
Speaker 3: these people. One hermit, you got a corporate espionage better
Speaker 3: you be out here asking.
Speaker 2: About so bad.
Speaker 1: I was like, you, it's a little too dilied for me.
Speaker 1: Like you have been a little bit like you.
Speaker 3: You've seen some of the world. Presumably you like watch
Speaker 3: your sister. You should be a little hardened. I think
Speaker 3: by some of the encounters and experiences we know that
Speaker 3: he's had it.
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like my guy is not doing a
Speaker 2: great job of like being realistic about where he stands
Speaker 2: in the pecking order. Like a few days ago, you
Speaker 2: were literally talking to like a faceless robot, and now
Speaker 2: you're trying to work out how to you know, charge
Speaker 2: your hyper intelligent sister bot at one of the biggest,
Speaker 2: most secret places in the world. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just I feel like he's not being very sensible.
Speaker 1: I agree with both of you. I do think it
Speaker 1: is a little played up.
Speaker 2: Okay, Can I ask you guys a question about Alex Luthor.
Speaker 2: Does he have the juice for Hermit or is it
Speaker 2: too much of like an introverted portrayal, because I think
Speaker 2: there's been quite a lot of conversation about Hermit's impact.
Speaker 1: I think he has the juice. I think that the
Speaker 1: issue is to Joe Well's point, he has written so
Speaker 1: White Knight like good guy that it's almost unbelievable. Like again,
Speaker 1: he was part of this highly militarized search and rescue
Speaker 1: Prodigy team that carries assault rifles into you know, emergency
Speaker 1: zones to rescue people. He's not the idea that he's like,
Speaker 1: Oh golly, g do you think I'd be able to
Speaker 1: have a relationship with my billion dollar robots? Like come on,
Speaker 1: come on. It just does stretch credulity a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's going to be being a bit
Speaker 2: more stealthy, a bit more on kind of like this
Speaker 2: would be a plan why you'd have to essentially kidnap
Speaker 2: her from the island and then learn how to cyber
Speaker 2: hacker via you know, underground kind of hacking communities. I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 1: You have to have nineteen steps ahead.
Speaker 3: I also feel like, have Hermit and Wendy ever had
Speaker 3: a fight before, like as brother and sister? Like, I'm
Speaker 3: just this relationship is underwritten.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's any of the performer's faults. I
Speaker 3: just feel like, yeah, you know, given their age difference,
Speaker 3: and you know, she was.
Speaker 1: Like approaching preteen right when she transferred.
Speaker 3: So I just feel like there's not enough like tension
Speaker 3: or fusion between those two characters.
Speaker 1: And I also just feel.
Speaker 2: Like there is no emotional friction that you feel like
Speaker 2: that would be well between I think I think this
Speaker 2: is again excellent show, but I think this is kind
Speaker 2: of what this show is built on, is like they takes.
Speaker 1: You're taking these kind of archetypical relationship sibling, boss, lieutenant,
Speaker 1: right hand man, and you're kind of letting those do
Speaker 1: a lot of the character and it usually works Elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Adam aka Lobot, Arthur and Dame are looking over nibs.
Speaker 1: Arthur and Dame are like, we're not sure what was wrong,
Speaker 1: but we think it was because she was had a
Speaker 1: lot of significant trauma as a child, and that when
Speaker 1: we you know, we did have those concerns when we
Speaker 1: did the transfer, and we thought we had tweaked whatever
Speaker 1: the programming enough to kind of adjust for that baseline
Speaker 1: of trauma, but clearly it didn't. It didn't work, and
Speaker 1: maybe given enough time with therapy, some kind of they
Speaker 1: have some kind of synth therapy I guess talk therapy
Speaker 1: that they would go through with these beings. Dame wants
Speaker 1: to let that play out. Adam says, no, just basically
Speaker 1: like hold down the power button for ten seconds, let's
Speaker 1: factory reset and just kind of clear it all out,
Speaker 1: reset her to pre the date that she started malfunctioning,
Speaker 1: and then we're and then that's it. Dame and Arthur
Speaker 1: initially don't want to. Arthur really doesn't want to, and
Speaker 1: Adam is like, I don't give a fuck because the
Speaker 1: Prodigy showcase for investors and consumers coming up in three weeks.
Speaker 1: She needs to be up on that stage doing handstands
Speaker 1: and saying I love boy genius, and that's it. Arthur
Speaker 1: flat out refuses to do it. Dame's like, well, I'll
Speaker 1: do it alone. And then Adam's like, great, Arthur, you're fired.
Speaker 1: You have till eod to get off the fucking island.
Speaker 1: If you're here after dark, maybe you get shot. We'll see.
Speaker 3: This throple of pain. This child just like jump like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're gonna reform. She's like, I'll capitulate to anything. Where's
Speaker 3: your backbone?
Speaker 1: Man? Like I need? I will say, like, I think
Speaker 1: that this is a good I actually think this is
Speaker 1: a great example of how people interact with power. There's
Speaker 1: because there's there's two there's two philosophies, right, There's like,
Speaker 1: that's it, I'm not going to participate in this, and
Speaker 1: then there's well, couldn't I theoretically do more good from inside?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Am I not the mediating force here? Like I'm the
Speaker 1: one that's making it marginally better by being inside, and
Speaker 1: therefore if I cooperate a little, I can also make
Speaker 1: it a little better. And I'm not saying that either
Speaker 1: right correct in every situation, but it's certainly like it's
Speaker 1: certainly looking sideways at Dame. I think although she may
Speaker 1: have a point, right, she may. I think there's a
Speaker 1: world in which you could see where she's coming from.
Speaker 1: I disagree, but like I get it again.
Speaker 2: We're gonna end up asking questions about how much people
Speaker 2: think things through in this episode, because there are choices
Speaker 2: that even if you even if you want Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: truly it's a bad decision bonanza this week on Alath, Like,
Speaker 2: I think that if you were going to make the
Speaker 2: choice to do this to Nibs, then there are things
Speaker 2: that you need to put in place to make sure
Speaker 2: that the things that happen in this episode do not happen.
Speaker 2: And they did not put them into place.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that. Yeah. So Wendy leaves the lab,
Speaker 1: she runs into her brother. She's very stoked at the
Speaker 1: language lessons and says, I'm getting better at speaking to
Speaker 1: the alien. It's hard trilling my rs is a little weird,
Speaker 1: but I'm getting better at it. And then Joe was like, okay,
Speaker 1: but like they're basically killer parasites, Like they just want
Speaker 1: to maybe you don't need to play eggs in our
Speaker 1: chest and kill us. And then like that's it, you know,
Speaker 1: like we have they're not like us, like we have community.
Speaker 1: They're just like want to kill us and eat us
Speaker 1: and face on this. And Wendy's like, and it's clear
Speaker 1: that Wendy is not. While she agrees that the creatures
Speaker 1: are being studied and did not have agency in what
Speaker 1: is happening to them, she also clearly is not rational
Speaker 1: about this. Loves the zenomorph basically like a puppy already
Speaker 1: at this point, and it says flat out, well, this
Speaker 1: one can be good.
Speaker 2: I love that line too, because I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she's like, she's like, guys, there's no bad animals, just
Speaker 2: bad Maybe she is.
Speaker 3: We're back to our conversation from the pilot, right, So,
Speaker 3: so we had this conversation in the pilot about the
Speaker 3: scorpion and like, what is it true?
Speaker 1: They're asking very.
Speaker 3: Specifically, like this thing might have community and it might
Speaker 3: attack us, and if like she's having or at least
Speaker 3: these thoughts implanted in her before she even makes the transition.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting to me that post transition she's like
Speaker 3: completely doubled down on that, and that that completely aligns
Speaker 3: with like what Boy Genius and ostensibly cursh one be
Speaker 3: really interested to see. I have a new theory that
Speaker 3: Curge and boy Genius might be somewhat on the same
Speaker 3: page more than we're aware of.
Speaker 2: Right now, Okay, I'm excited to talk more about that.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about that. I'm excited to talk
Speaker 1: about that. I'll just say that in terms of, like,
Speaker 1: could she not be correct about this alien being good?
Speaker 1: When you release an alien in a room full of assholes,
Speaker 1: it will seem like it's doing good things. Correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, good point, good point, good point. Okay, she she
Speaker 2: didn't see like an a look and look, this is
Speaker 2: the We are the people who were pro I we
Speaker 2: were pro and.
Speaker 1: It's on this island of assholes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like, so you know, I feel that that's
Speaker 2: a good point. You're like, we have yet to see
Speaker 2: the alien in like kindergarten, where maybe she would start
Speaker 2: to feel differently about.
Speaker 1: Uh So, Wendy basically gets her back up about this
Speaker 1: conversation because Joe is kind of like being very dismissive
Speaker 1: about the value of her working with the alien, even
Speaker 1: that they exist here on Earth, and she's like, this
Speaker 1: is a yes place. Boy genius always says, we just
Speaker 1: say yes here, which, again in the context of billionaire
Speaker 1: islands back children on them is and yet another dark
Speaker 1: mirror into the world we live. And she basically tells
Speaker 1: hermit like, we only say yes.
Speaker 2: Here, and I'm not the star of nothing. I'm okay,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Legitimately this is bad, well, Joe says later in the
Speaker 1: episode to underline the metaphor even stronger. Know is how
Speaker 1: we take control of our bodies, which is yes, well, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: We go to the mediation meeting, Utani and Genius facing
Speaker 1: off across this long table, their lawyers on either side,
Speaker 1: a mediator in the middle, Marrow and Kersh standing beside
Speaker 1: their respective bosses, and Utani makes her case as as
Speaker 1: boy Genius, with his bare feet disgusting up on the table,
Speaker 1: picks his toes and her point, and her point is
Speaker 1: basically like, the ship is my property, everything on it
Speaker 1: is my property, give it back. And then boy Genius
Speaker 1: is like not unfairly, like, well, your ship crashed into
Speaker 1: my city and killed untold numbers of people that I
Speaker 1: don't care about, but still causing a significant dollar value damage.
Speaker 1: And you know, also like was it on purpose? Did
Speaker 1: you purposefully? Exactly, like we need to look at all
Speaker 1: of these things, you know, exact like he did at
Speaker 1: the stable.
Speaker 2: Did this he is like truly giving a performance of
Speaker 2: a lifetime because you just want to sell this guy.
Speaker 1: I love yes, Rosie, Like it has been I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this old driving around yesterday. It's been a
Speaker 1: minute since I hated a villain like this, Like I
Speaker 1: haven't seen a villain in a show that is this
Speaker 1: catable in a in a in a second, and he is.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for him to get a lot of
Speaker 1: our TV shows like and all right, we already hate
Speaker 1: the Empire.
Speaker 2: We hate those are those are the character those are
Speaker 2: the things that we are. We know about and we've
Speaker 2: known the bad for a long time, so that is
Speaker 2: an inherent feeling that you have against them. This is
Speaker 2: a personal kind of hate. He is so disrespectful, he's
Speaker 2: so awful, he's so entitled. The whole time, I was
Speaker 2: really sitting there like wishing for a you know, kind
Speaker 2: of kill Bill esque, like somebody just comes in and
Speaker 2: chops off his feet, taking.
Speaker 1: Your tony side.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I'm literally sitting there like this guy
Speaker 2: is so fucking disrespectful, Just fucking kill him, Like why
Speaker 2: why is he being allowed to babe like this? Like
Speaker 2: what is going on that?
Speaker 3: Watching a woman executive hundreds of years from now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, still he talked over me.
Speaker 3: He's just like wait and I'm like, please, God make.
Speaker 1: It in so then boy Genius makes it a really
Speaker 1: the salient point, which is, well, mister mediator, did you
Speaker 1: know this ship was filled with illegal alien creatures that
Speaker 1: have been brought to Earth in direct violation of several
Speaker 1: international and corporate laws. You tanis like, okay, here's what
Speaker 1: we'll do. Give me. Here's I'll give you twenty billion.
Speaker 1: And I promised that the creatures were going to an
Speaker 1: off world research facility. That's where they were going when
Speaker 1: they crashed. They were never gonna come to Earth. They're
Speaker 1: going to go to that facility, and then we don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. And she's like, yes, sounds great,
Speaker 1: twenty million, that's good after the six week quarantine though, right,
Speaker 1: which again the law is very clear on this six weeks.
Speaker 1: We got to wait six weeks. And she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: fifty billion annoying, and you pack them up right now.
Speaker 1: And boy Genius was like, no, I must follow the laws.
Speaker 2: Sorry, not even about I've got I've got lots of money.
Speaker 2: I think this is such an interesting, interesting moment because look,
Speaker 2: the Utani boy genius of it all is so great,
Speaker 2: and they are they have such good furious like Nemesis chemistry.
Speaker 2: But what I'm most interested in this scene is the
Speaker 2: notion of the Five and the way that the Five
Speaker 2: govern because they just sent some random guy who I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: nine out of ten chants that that motherfucker is a
Speaker 2: sent first of all, probably the way that he was
Speaker 2: overseeing it, the.
Speaker 1: Lack of sense.
Speaker 2: I'm very interested that even in the terms of the
Speaker 2: people who are in charge, right, Utani is one of
Speaker 2: these corporations. Prodigy is one of these corporations that supposedly
Speaker 2: run the company and the countries. But they sent like
Speaker 2: a mediator, not a higher boss, not someone who seems
Speaker 2: to have any kind of real ownership or control over
Speaker 2: the situation, just a guy who stands there and says like, okay,
Speaker 2: uh no, is this true. I just find it very interesting.
Speaker 2: There's so much more I want to know about the
Speaker 2: Five and how they are controlled and run.
Speaker 3: It does give the idea that the other companies are
Speaker 3: more powerful than waylan Utahi like, because between corporations makes sense.
Speaker 3: But to your point, if it's two bosses of two
Speaker 3: of the major spaces, then typically you would think that
Speaker 3: there would at first be some kind of like let's
Speaker 3: come together and talk about it before we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the other three would be involved to try
Speaker 2: and talk about it, right.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was really interesting at these two
Speaker 3: what happens to the rest, So yeah, that is really interesting.
Speaker 3: Karmen is a theory that Adam is puppeting everything, which
Speaker 3: I find really intriguing.
Speaker 2: I could read it.
Speaker 1: Would be really interesting to see.
Speaker 3: She's been looking at some of the frames and just
Speaker 3: positioning and Adam always seems to sort of be behind
Speaker 3: boy Genius and a sort of puppeting position, and then Boyd.
Speaker 3: She mentioned way Genius is clothing this episode, it's particularly
Speaker 3: like thready there's like a lot of strings hanging from it.
Speaker 3: So she's on that theory right now, which I find
Speaker 3: really interesting.
Speaker 2: I really like that one.
Speaker 1: So Marrow pulls you tany aside for a second and
Speaker 1: he's like, and she's like, what's what's going on with
Speaker 1: your mission? And he's like, I think there's a high
Speaker 1: likelihood we get at least one creature back by end
Speaker 1: of day. That's from his little slightly uh sneak in
Speaker 1: mission and he tells his boss that you should also
Speaker 1: know that Prodigy is up security on the island and
Speaker 1: expectation that we would attack them frontal attack, and he
Speaker 1: recommends destabilizing the island and getting the creatures out in
Speaker 1: the chaos, an interesting line considering what comes next. Kurush
Speaker 1: gets on the elevator with Morrow and let me just say,
Speaker 1: I don't need this is just a this is a nitpick,
Speaker 1: not about alien Okay. The trope where the character gets
Speaker 1: on the elevator and you watch the doors closed, it's like,
Speaker 1: I know the hand is coming in the door to
Speaker 1: keep the door open, and then I just know that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, so like just get to it anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, I just know I'm gonna see that hand
Speaker 1: come in and stop the door. Kirse stops the door,
Speaker 1: comes in the elevator, starts talking a bunch of shit,
Speaker 1: calling Morrow almost human, since that a human that thinks
Speaker 1: he's a machine. And then Marrow's like, well you're looking, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're an out of date model. You're like a fucking
Speaker 1: You're like a three year old toaster, Like what are
Speaker 1: you even talking about? So they're just like roasting each
Speaker 1: other and then Morrow is like, listen, you know what
Speaker 1: I love about killing since is they have no pay,
Speaker 1: they don't feel pain. You can just keep chopping them up,
Speaker 1: and they're lucid the whole time, telling me everything I
Speaker 1: want to know, little fucking tiny bits, and Kersh is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be really fun when you
Speaker 1: figure out that you're still a man, that even though
Speaker 1: you have some like machine parts implanted in you, you're
Speaker 1: still a guy whose eyeballs can be popped out. And
Speaker 1: then you're like, I can't wait for them to fucking thrown.
Speaker 3: I am good with this scene. I really really am.
Speaker 2: Was so good together.
Speaker 3: The thing I walked away thinking about most from this
Speaker 3: scene is the idea that Okay, Kersh Knowsmorrow is like
Speaker 3: in the kid's head, like he's aware, he's heard him
Speaker 3: listening to the conversation, so that like this was such
Speaker 3: a clear plan of attack. The way he fucks with
Speaker 3: Marrow is the same way Marrow was fucking with the kid, Like.
Speaker 1: It's the exact scene.
Speaker 3: Let me completely destabilize you, let me get inside your head,
Speaker 3: let me figure out what you know or think about me.
Speaker 3: And the fact that he thinks like, oh, you're outdated
Speaker 3: technology and you're not prepared like I think Marrow. So
Speaker 3: for as munch of an advantage as he has. I
Speaker 3: think by discounting Kurge, we're gonna see that table hurt
Speaker 3: him like a lot come down the line once he
Speaker 3: gets to the island himself.
Speaker 1: That's it's really absolutely I can't wait to talk about
Speaker 1: this much more. When we were going with cap, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick Craig, will.
Speaker 2: You rep we're rack.
Speaker 1: We go to the lab where Dame reboots Nibs. Wendy's
Speaker 1: there when Nibs wakes up and Nibs is like, I
Speaker 1: feel fun, I feel great. I feel like I just
Speaker 1: slept a lot. And then Wendy, who, like I guess,
Speaker 1: has not been briefed on what's going on.
Speaker 2: My biggest issue, this is my biggest issue. I feel
Speaker 2: like Dame knows enough about Wendy and the way Wendy works.
Speaker 2: It would be very easy to manipulate Wendy in the
Speaker 2: situation and say, hey, Nibs was really struggling. She was
Speaker 2: a danger to herself, she was a danger to others. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've had to go back in and you know, to
Speaker 2: help her, we've taken away some of her memories of
Speaker 2: her trauma. Isn't that what everybody would want? Blah blah,
Speaker 2: blah and kind of set Wendy up to know this
Speaker 2: has happened. When I realized they hadn't told Wendy, I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, you guys are just dumb at this point,
Speaker 2: Like Dave, I don't know what is going on with you, Dave,
Speaker 2: but this was always gonna blow up in your face.
Speaker 1: Wendy brings up all the troubling stuff the baby, do
Speaker 1: you remember when you crashed out? Do you remember the
Speaker 1: crash that we went to with all the remember that
Speaker 1: really scared you? And Wendy is like super confused. And
Speaker 1: now she's even more confused because she's realizing that she
Speaker 1: doesn't have information that everybody else has and why can't
Speaker 1: she remember?
Speaker 2: And it's making her immediately feel more crazy. Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: probably gonna lead to a bad situation.
Speaker 1: So this gets Wendy really upset and she realizes that
Speaker 1: Damon Arthur must know something about this. We hear more
Speaker 1: of Fu Boy Genius fucking podcast of what everybody's up to.
Speaker 1: Wendy looking out at the sea. Okay, slightly, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Just want to say though it's painful, but truth, isn't
Speaker 2: that like so real that even when you are like
Speaker 2: a billionaire, and you have all this money and you
Speaker 2: have all these people under your control. I feel like
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, and now I have an active listening
Speaker 2: base to my podcast who can never turn it off,
Speaker 2: and he just brokeross it across the state. That's like,
Speaker 2: it feels very real. It feels like deeply, deeply real.
Speaker 1: It's really fucking nuts. Also sucks. It's just him reading
Speaker 1: to your pan literally word for word anyway.
Speaker 2: No no critical thought on it, no ideas about what
Speaker 2: it means. Obviously, not interacting with the the art itself.
Speaker 2: That's why this is all gonna go hardly wrong.
Speaker 1: Slightly is in the jungle with Moorrow in his ear,
Speaker 1: basically telling him like, you gotta go in, you gotta
Speaker 1: go in, you gotta do the mission now. Smee finds
Speaker 1: him as Slightly doesn't want to talk. They talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, they're basically they talk around being what you know,
Speaker 1: their existence right now, and sme thinks that, you know,
Speaker 1: being a grown up sucks and we can't just play
Speaker 1: like we used to as kids, and Slightly it's like, well,
Speaker 1: right after I take care of this mysterious thing I
Speaker 1: need to take care of, we're gonna play I promise
Speaker 1: and happy about that. Yeah, when me gave him.
Speaker 2: A grown up hug, I was like, I wanted to cry.
Speaker 2: I think the kids stuff is I understand that for
Speaker 2: some people it's like not hitting that hard, but I
Speaker 2: think when they play with the balance between like the
Speaker 2: emotional vulnerability and openness of kids and kind of how
Speaker 2: they are having to all grow up because of the
Speaker 2: way that the adults around them are treating them, whether
Speaker 2: it's you know, Wendy or whether it's me, or whether
Speaker 2: it's most Hey, you know slightly with being kind of
Speaker 2: manipulated by Morrow. It's just it's kind of heartbreaking to watch,
Speaker 2: and I think it does bring some extra emotional layers.
Speaker 3: I agree because Rosie, if you think about too, we
Speaker 3: hear Dame tell Adam that like NIBBs was damaged before
Speaker 3: they brought her into the program, like she has psychological
Speaker 3: issues pre program, which is terrifying that they then have
Speaker 3: sort of put her in this position. And given the
Speaker 3: line from the book, we get the thin sticks out most,
Speaker 3: which is like, yea, once they started to realize they
Speaker 3: were growing up, Peter would like take them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thin you heard.
Speaker 3: I think really sort of resonated with me this idea
Speaker 3: of like, you know, we saw Dame's hubby get fired
Speaker 3: as soon as he starts asking questions about like morals
Speaker 3: and ethics are like, you could actually just get right
Speaker 3: the fuck about it here, Like we don't need you
Speaker 3: to be asking any questions really, And again, I just
Speaker 3: think in a series that's particularly been about the horrors
Speaker 3: women face and then a lot of that being about motherhood,
Speaker 3: to bring it to children here it works for me
Speaker 3: on a lot of levels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's welcome for me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this, what should happen to
Speaker 1: the to the hybrids? Mostly shut them all off? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what should happen like you gain control of Prodigy?
Speaker 1: You do what I what I do? I stop this
Speaker 1: program immediately, and I do a leny mice of men
Speaker 1: thing and go look at oh, look at the question over.
Speaker 2: There, and then I shut them all off. Jay that
Speaker 2: it's over.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I think. I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: They said, like, okay, kids, you know, I think if
Speaker 3: we don't traumatize them, give them some space to be
Speaker 3: like go live.
Speaker 1: But are they let mean, are they kids or as
Speaker 1: as other characters in this have said, are they ais
Speaker 1: that are programmed to respond in a certain way, and
Speaker 1: they think that's are they chat They are people like,
Speaker 1: you know, how good is the programming? It's a really
Speaker 1: good question. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think you made the epically correct choice, Jason. I
Speaker 2: think that is what should be done. I also think
Speaker 2: if they were like crying and being like, no, please
Speaker 2: don't turn me off, I would also like bet it
Speaker 2: would be hard.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying immediately choice, I just feel like we don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the only way to make sure
Speaker 1: that no more harm is done. Anyway, slightly fails to
Speaker 1: get Joe Slash Hermit down to the lab to get
Speaker 1: face hugged. He really tries, but he comes off as
Speaker 1: a weirdo. But unfortunately, Hermit gets called to go on
Speaker 1: patrol due to the heightened security on the island. He
Speaker 1: goes on patrol with Bronsky and Siberian. They gossip about
Speaker 1: what's going on. Hermit is asking questions.
Speaker 2: And they also like, broke, could we just stay here?
Speaker 2: Like this is actually kind of a solid gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're loving it. It's a steady paycheck. All you
Speaker 1: do is walk through the jungle like nothing really bad
Speaker 1: is happening and the moment, meanwhile, is asking questions that
Speaker 1: are so obvious, like how far do you think we
Speaker 1: are from the mainland? Does anybody's see any boats around here? Dummy?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, please do some reconnaissance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, my guy. Siberian has to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't fuck this up for us. Okay, don't down in
Speaker 1: the lab. Wendy's continuing the language lessons with the alien
Speaker 1: that is, and the alien's fucking big.
Speaker 2: Now it's happened. It's happened.
Speaker 1: Kursh rives back on the island with Adam and boy Genius.
Speaker 1: He calls Tootles to basically say, hey, go down there,
Speaker 1: seed and water. The creatures run the next experiment on
Speaker 1: the list. Okay, yeah, where's Curly? Can I talk to Curly?
Speaker 1: And Tootles like, oh he's with Curly and uh smee.
Speaker 1: But he wants He's so eager to do things on
Speaker 1: his own that he's like, oh, I have no idea
Speaker 1: where they are. I'll do it. I got it, I
Speaker 1: got a boss. He goes down the lab. The Eye
Speaker 1: remains watchful this whole time, watching everything for them with
Speaker 1: a very keen gaze.
Speaker 3: With the pizza slices we have to talk about the triangles.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, yea, I saw them right, I'm not
Speaker 3: crazy the witch. No, okay, it when we're on that
Speaker 3: close up of the sheep. The eye, yes, is iris
Speaker 3: is cut into like pizza slices, and a triangle comes
Speaker 3: from where we can't see and back into the eye
Speaker 3: and slots into place.
Speaker 1: What the dissect part of it can.
Speaker 3: Travel and move?
Speaker 2: What did that mean.
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 3: Is the is it just optically look like an eye
Speaker 3: and not necessarily function as one, Like I'm so well.
Speaker 2: That it sees through even though it looks like a
Speaker 2: traditional eye sees through multiple lenses like a flies, so
Speaker 2: it would make sense if they were segmented out. Also,
Speaker 2: I feel like we got to talk about the eye
Speaker 2: because last week, you know, we were talking about being
Speaker 2: pro I we felt like the eye had done a
Speaker 2: really good job trying to help that lady. And then
Speaker 2: you know, that was the general consensus across most of
Speaker 2: internet and also our discord. And it was only after
Speaker 2: listening to the official pod that people kind of went, oh,
Speaker 2: I guess, Noah, Holey was the eye was meant to
Speaker 2: be distracting her. It wasn't meant to be helping her.
Speaker 2: I think that we have to talk about it because
Speaker 2: I think that is a failure in storytelling. No, No,
Speaker 2: that's bad storytelling because I think it was unclear and
Speaker 2: I think it was an It added an interesting complexity. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it connects to the end.
Speaker 1: I think there are other things like that that I
Speaker 1: want to talk about. Okay, So basically, so Tootles is
Speaker 1: feeding all the animals and then he gets to the bugs.
Speaker 1: But then the feeding shoot door just comes off in
Speaker 1: his hands, clearly been tampered with the eye and the
Speaker 1: sheep is like, yes, my plan coming together at least
Speaker 1: seems like that. I'm now anthropomorphizing the sheep, and Tootles
Speaker 1: does everything that you could possibly do wrong. You override
Speaker 1: every safety door. He goes into the fucking door and
Speaker 1: basically props it open with his foot. While he's in there,
Speaker 1: the bu bugs stirring in the hive, and the sheep
Speaker 1: hits the hands, knocking him over. He gets locked in
Speaker 1: the fucking case with the bugs, and one thing leads
Speaker 1: to another. The bug spraying with acid devour his face.
Speaker 1: Unclear if they actually eat him.
Speaker 2: I think that just having fun, just like licking around.
Speaker 1: The silk juice they might him tray.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the food in the tray is all tech stuff,
Speaker 3: so like it's like like, oh, this is perfect, it'll
Speaker 3: destroy They melt him and they eat him.
Speaker 1: And the eye and the bugs are all seemed to
Speaker 1: be celebrating and just bad, bad stuff goes crazy here.
Speaker 1: I will note for further to have Uh to table
Speaker 1: in our conversation later that it made no sense to
Speaker 1: me that alarms didn't go off all throughout the compound
Speaker 1: as soon as Toodles was taken off line. That's dumb.
Speaker 1: Dame goes to see Wendy. Wendy's troubled about nibs. Uh
Speaker 1: Dame tells her, listen, it's really complicated and we had
Speaker 1: to reboot her. There was a glitch, and Wendy's getting
Speaker 1: more and more and more upset. And Wendy is clearly
Speaker 1: beginning to draw the inference that she's clearly beginning to
Speaker 1: empathize with the specimens and see that she is a
Speaker 1: specimen exactly. She is being studied in the lab. She
Speaker 1: is being forced into choices that are not hers to make,
Speaker 1: and she's not able to make decisions for her own
Speaker 1: life up to and including her own memories, potentially has
Speaker 1: happened to NIBBs, and she begins to think, maybe the
Speaker 1: glitch in this situation is you, Dame, and the others
Speaker 1: like you. And Wendy says that she wants to she
Speaker 1: wants to see the world as it truly is and
Speaker 1: to push past like human emotion and to try to
Speaker 1: see it in this kind of dispassionate way, and she
Speaker 1: thinks that humans inability to do that means that maybe
Speaker 1: they are the glitch, or she might mean specifically Dame,
Speaker 1: but she seems to be also making a larger statement
Speaker 1: about humanity. Arthur is packing to leave. Toodles is dead
Speaker 1: on the security screen. He doesn't see it. Hermit comes
Speaker 1: to see him and basically is like asking all these
Speaker 1: questions about Wendy, the same kind of questions, like how
Speaker 1: do I charge her? You know she's safe here. I
Speaker 1: just want to ask you this, And so Arthur is
Speaker 1: like makes a dramatic stage turn to the security cameras
Speaker 1: twenty second slow motion turned to the camera, and then
Speaker 1: turns back to Joe and says, oh, yes, sir, it
Speaker 1: is very safe here. He couldn't be sicker. Say let
Speaker 1: me show you how safe everyone is. I'll show you
Speaker 1: the synthetics, including your sister's vitals on the screen right now.
Speaker 1: And then he types on a notepad like get her
Speaker 1: out of here, here's the boat code. And then he
Speaker 1: turns off Wendy's tracker so that Arthur can potentially be
Speaker 1: successful getting getting went out of here. And then when
Speaker 1: Hermit leaves, Arthur notices now the first time that Tootles
Speaker 1: is offline, slightly goes down to the lab. Kersh is
Speaker 1: watching all of this on the security cams. It's you know,
Speaker 1: he must know by now that Tootles is dead, but
Speaker 1: he has no reaction to this. It's unclear truly if
Speaker 1: he knows the Tootles is dead, but he must anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: slightly lose his nerve at the keypad, but luckily Arthur
Speaker 1: shows up, and Arthur making the worst decision you could
Speaker 1: pop is the last day, Like you're done, your shift
Speaker 1: is over. This is like you work at a pizza
Speaker 1: restaurant and somebody comes in at ten fifty five, you
Speaker 1: close it eleven and is like give me three pizzas. No,
Speaker 1: you're done, bro, what do you Why are you here? Anyway,
Speaker 1: he goes down there, he goes in the lab again.
Speaker 1: Kurse watching it all, Arthur sees that Toodles is dead,
Speaker 1: and Arthur just does a bunch of He goes in
Speaker 1: the bug pen. Dumb Tootles is clearly fucked. He's trying
Speaker 1: to lift Toodles. Must weigh four hundred pounds, I means.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is another thing that is that they
Speaker 2: are doing a lot of interesting things they were. I'm like,
Speaker 2: was that a choice by the actor who plays at
Speaker 2: that to act like you weigh like that? Is that
Speaker 2: the nature of what they are? Is it something that
Speaker 2: they built? Then yeah, I mean because it's just But
Speaker 2: also then you see the.
Speaker 1: Face, it's like it's there's a lot of metal and
Speaker 1: plastic and ceramic components like that. It must be heavy,
Speaker 1: must be really heavy. And Arthur sees the bugs stirring,
Speaker 1: and then he looks over and notices that the egg
Speaker 1: door is open. And now it's all going to be bad.
Speaker 1: The eye and the zeno more for watching this like
Speaker 1: they are watching like Glengarry Glenn Ross on Broadway at
Speaker 1: the edges of their I gotta say, and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh baby, it's gonna have it. And slightly and now
Speaker 1: outside the lab is locked in and it's like I
Speaker 1: have to do this for my family. Arthur's like, but
Speaker 1: I have a family, No, bro, you're getting face. It
Speaker 1: happens quickly, an incredible like like five meter leap by
Speaker 1: the face hugger bang right onto Arthur's face, and it's
Speaker 1: and it's done. Kursh is watching this on the iPad
Speaker 1: with Boy Genius in the helicopter. He's watching very dispassionately.
Speaker 1: Boy Genius seems to notice some flicker of reaction cross
Speaker 1: across Chris's face, like, hey, you good, and Kursh's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm doing great, and then goes right back
Speaker 1: to his iPad, slightly goes into the lab. He drags
Speaker 1: Arthur away into events so that, as per Morrow's instructions,
Speaker 1: he can hide the body until like we're ready for
Speaker 1: that hatching.
Speaker 2: Classically you want as animal fan event. So that's great.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile the bugs are now free flying all around
Speaker 1: the lab and so like he slightly has to hide
Speaker 1: from these bugs which would love to melt need him.
Speaker 1: And as this is all happening, we have a close
Speaker 1: up pan on the sheep who is clearly like, my
Speaker 1: moment is coming, my vengeance, My moment of revenge is coming.
Speaker 2: The Eye sheep CG is so good because that motherfucker
Speaker 2: look nefarious like he's looking and he is just so happy.
Speaker 1: That is that I like when they zoom in the
Speaker 1: breath on the glass and he's just like.
Speaker 2: Also again, just have to say like, I think that
Speaker 2: I think the way they were imagining that moment hitting
Speaker 2: was probably like if you'd have perceived the Eye to
Speaker 2: have been the orchestra of the whole time, if that
Speaker 2: narrative moment that was meant to hit last episode hit properly,
Speaker 2: you'd probably be feeling like, what this guy's like evil?
Speaker 2: But right now I'm still just like, yeah, man, he's
Speaker 2: just trying to get out. He's just trying to get
Speaker 2: out of this situation where they're tormenting and torturing him.
Speaker 2: Like I'm still on his side because also as well,
Speaker 2: something I will say, I know that we're going to
Speaker 2: get into the tech of it all because the lab
Speaker 2: is badly built. There are no alarms. Why when one
Speaker 2: of the trackers goes off on one of the kids,
Speaker 2: does it not as immediately Now, I will say there
Speaker 2: is a horrible dark version of that, which is that
Speaker 2: certain people on the island would want to turn off
Speaker 2: those trackers so they could do whatever they wanted to
Speaker 2: those kids, which again leads to that harsh, sad, real
Speaker 2: world kind of equivalent that this is drawing. But also
Speaker 2: I will say, you know what, I think about a lot.
Speaker 2: It brings me a lot of joy in life when
Speaker 2: I think about it, and I think about it a
Speaker 2: lot every time I watch a sci fi and think, well,
Speaker 2: that wasn't very well made, or if I had all
Speaker 2: that money, I would do a better job. Do you
Speaker 2: remember when they did the Tesla cyber truck demonstration and
Speaker 2: they were showing how the windows were like bulletproof, and
Speaker 2: then he threw a baseball at it and it just
Speaker 2: shatted the window. I think about that a lot, because
Speaker 2: that was the moment that was meant to impress people
Speaker 2: who were consumers. It was also supposed to showcase to
Speaker 2: a board that the thing worked like. There is such
Speaker 2: an arrogance and assumption in those spaces about people's own
Speaker 2: intelligence and what they can do that I actually think
Speaker 2: how badly the island is run is probably quite realistic.
Speaker 1: I will say that I think that it is. I
Speaker 1: think that some of the storytelling is not up to snuff.
Speaker 1: Of the rest of the show in a way that
Speaker 1: makes things ambiguous in ways that they shouldn't be. Yes,
Speaker 1: like the eye distracting not helping is small, but like
Speaker 1: is one of those moments where you're like, it was
Speaker 1: not told clearly, and it was. I think that the
Speaker 1: fact that it was a big story point early that
Speaker 1: Boy Genius can watch and hear and everything that is
Speaker 1: being and heard and said by the senses being recorded
Speaker 1: at all times. Yeah, And I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's weird that when Toodles dies there
Speaker 1: aren't a media alarms that go off. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think these things.
Speaker 2: Are meant to cost a billion dollars each at least,
Speaker 2: Like the fact that he dies that should have immediately
Speaker 2: set it off. Also, why are you sending children to
Speaker 2: do Why are you sending billion dollar children robots to
Speaker 2: do chores?
Speaker 1: Let's go to a quick breaking with your upon how
Speaker 1: well I do believe here's my Now, I'll go into
Speaker 1: theory land. I think that you know, we've already seen
Speaker 1: one bit of corporate espionage, which is Boy Genius turning
Speaker 1: the chief engineer, one of the engineers of the Imagine
Speaker 1: now right to his side and getting him to crash
Speaker 1: a ship onto Prodigy Island. I think that listen Utani's
Speaker 1: makes sense. I think that there is probably some like
Speaker 1: hidden programming in Kersh that has been activated, yes, give
Speaker 1: him a spy for Utani, and that whether Marrow knows
Speaker 1: it or not, they are potentially working on the same side,
Speaker 1: unaware of the fact that both are doing that. And
Speaker 1: I think that you could read a lot of Kersh's
Speaker 1: like I think there's a world in which Kersh nerfed
Speaker 1: the trackers and all the stuff so that no alarms
Speaker 1: will go off, which would be cool, but also like
Speaker 1: I need that scene, like I kind of need, but
Speaker 1: I think that's what's going on. I would I lean
Speaker 1: towards that that Kirsh rather than Kersh making an independent
Speaker 1: decision that like, We're going to rise up and kill
Speaker 1: the Masters with the help of the you know, I'm
Speaker 1: tired of being a machine that works for a man.
Speaker 1: I'm going to join arms with my alien brethren and
Speaker 1: we're going to take over. I am more inclined to
Speaker 1: believe that this is one of Utani's fallbacks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that the chaos that is going to happen on
Speaker 1: the island when when Morrow says here's what I think
Speaker 1: you should do. I think you should I think we
Speaker 1: should cause chaos. I think Utani took that advisement and
Speaker 1: ran with it and used her as using her other
Speaker 1: agent to cause the chaos. That's what I think you think.
Speaker 1: Do you think Kirsh is a Utani agent?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he works unknowingly, That's what Jason's saying.
Speaker 1: Like, well, I mean unknowingly, who knows? Like knowingly. I
Speaker 1: think one thing we know about Utani is they make sense, right,
Speaker 1: and they seem to be the prime producer and probably
Speaker 1: the only company that has the rights to make sense.
Speaker 1: And we also know that Kersh is an old model,
Speaker 1: has been stated by divers other characters. He's been around
Speaker 1: a while, right, So I think that it only makes sense,
Speaker 1: like if you're Utani and we see this with tech
Speaker 1: companies now, like there's a reason why, I say, other
Speaker 1: countries are like, we don't want to use Windows, we
Speaker 1: don't want to use Mac. We're there's a reason why
Speaker 1: in this country where like DGI drones made in China
Speaker 1: are now banned. It's for this exact reason that they
Speaker 1: I would imagine that it would make sense for Utani
Speaker 1: to implant something in all of their sense that if
Speaker 1: they happen to get into a sensitive position, they can
Speaker 1: then be triggered and can then leak all the information
Speaker 1: back to their masters. And I think that's what Kursh's doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes the conversation and the elevator really intriguing
Speaker 3: because it's one of the first thing Marro says to
Speaker 3: Curis is like, oh, you have like babysit your replacements essentially,
Speaker 3: and if he's like, you know, if they're essentially of
Speaker 3: the same company, you know, they're designed of the same space.
Speaker 3: And again this idea of chaos coming from the same points,
Speaker 3: the fact that it's you Tani, a woman led like corporation.
Speaker 3: If we can bring back the horrors of women again
Speaker 3: through Utani, I will absolutely scream with joy, Like I
Speaker 3: really really appreciate sort of the layers we're getting throughout
Speaker 3: this series, you know, thinking even just.
Speaker 1: About like Curley's previous role.
Speaker 3: I hope we get more of her next week because
Speaker 3: this whole like vying for attention and supremacy sort of
Speaker 3: situation that we've seen with the other kids this episode, I.
Speaker 1: Think really speaks to her character.
Speaker 3: And if Wendy's gonna go off and do her own
Speaker 3: thing and run away with her brother possible next episode.
Speaker 1: Really would love.
Speaker 3: Between Curly and Wendy or team up with his amore.
Speaker 3: Her brother was not asking questions this episode. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she was like, yeah, what if I would like to
Speaker 3: be here? Like what if I'm enjoying.
Speaker 2: I want to learn how to you know, speak to
Speaker 2: his animal and do my little thing. But yeah, this
Speaker 2: is a very interesting place that and kind of time
Speaker 2: that we are in, because this really could shift what
Speaker 2: we know about pretty much of all of Alien And
Speaker 2: I do think the notion that you Tanny is out
Speaker 2: here hunting these creatures down and has specific wants and
Speaker 2: reasons for them and is willing to spend fifty billion
Speaker 2: dollars to get them back, is incredibly intriguing. And Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm really excited to see where it goes.
Speaker 2: I think you guys have really touched on the stuff
Speaker 2: that I think is most interesting from this episode. And
Speaker 2: I'm just really intrigued to see if they can stick
Speaker 2: the landing because there's two more episodes left that part.
Speaker 2: We don't know if there's going to be a second season,
Speaker 2: and they either have to destroy the entire landscape and
Speaker 2: universe that they set up in the next two episodes
Speaker 2: with pure chaos to get us back to the place
Speaker 2: that we know before Alien begins, or they're going to
Speaker 2: have to establish the second season is going to be
Speaker 2: a direct follow on and we will learn more then.
Speaker 2: So I'm worried it don't feel like a finished story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason, So I want to ask you, like, what
Speaker 3: do you think we need in the penn ultimate episode
Speaker 3: to set us up for a solid finale?
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 1: I think we need. I think we I think that
Speaker 1: we need I think we need to understand by that
Speaker 1: point where all the characters loyalties lie and who's working
Speaker 1: for who. There's less ambiguity on that In that regard,
Speaker 1: I think we need to understand. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like we need to understand what you
Speaker 1: tany and or prodigies thoughts about what they could do
Speaker 1: with these.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, because they are such a high risk proposition.
Speaker 2: They're illegal, they're dangerous, their blood is made of acid.
Speaker 2: They are the ultimate weapon. But also, you guys already
Speaker 2: own countries and continents, So what would you need an
Speaker 2: ultimate weapon for? Is it a terraforming thing? Like kind
Speaker 2: of what they touched on an alien best Predator. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm in I think you're right, Jason, I
Speaker 2: really need to know why they want them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think we need to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to get out of the story where that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remain convinced. I feel like they're going
Speaker 1: to nuke the island from space all the end of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because did I did think that was white?
Speaker 1: Does all this none of this stuff exists? You know?
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's going to be nuked for morbid,
Speaker 1: It's the only way to be sure. And I feel
Speaker 1: like they're going to do that.
Speaker 2: When we're running around with his Animore just killing everyone
Speaker 2: on the island. I mean, I would love to see
Speaker 2: it would be crazy, but maybe we get a little
Speaker 2: bit of action like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about what about you, dul What do you
Speaker 1: think we'll make for a I don't know, a landed ending? Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about penultimate episodes and how I often
Speaker 3: feel they're more important than the finale. To me, a
Speaker 3: great penultimate episode almost feels like a finale because when
Speaker 3: you gither, you're like, wait, what happens? Like, how how
Speaker 3: could there pause that? What happens next, Like I think,
Speaker 3: like I'm trying to think of a good one, Like
Speaker 3: is it season two Game of Thrones where the penultimate
Speaker 3: episode is the big battle in the.
Speaker 2: Usually would do the penal as the big action episode
Speaker 2: and then the finale.
Speaker 3: There's all of this build up to the battle, but
Speaker 3: the fallout is what the finale should be. And if
Speaker 3: that's the case, then what you want is the sort
Speaker 3: of like chaotic, almost Jurassic Park esque episode. I think
Speaker 3: that's what I'm looking for in my penultimate. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the creatures are out, We're all trying to figure out
Speaker 3: how to survive. I think mass death is necessary to
Speaker 3: your point, we know we're coming to a stopping point,
Speaker 3: and we know that where this show ends and where
Speaker 3: Alien picks up, or at least we assume, you know,
Speaker 3: they're pretty close together. They're only a year apart, so
Speaker 3: a lot needs to change before we get to that point.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think we need a lot of
Speaker 3: characters out of here. And all I have to say
Speaker 3: is me better survive.
Speaker 2: I'm not pretty. I know I'm sweet as a sweet,
Speaker 2: sweet sweet boy. Yeah, I do think we could be
Speaker 2: with the chaos element. I do think next week could
Speaker 2: be an action heavy episode where everything kind of gets
Speaker 2: decimated and then we see the fallout, we see where
Speaker 2: the curse is kind of a He does seem like
Speaker 2: a David, you know, a linearly connect, linear connection to
Speaker 2: a David, and the kind of curiosity he has feels
Speaker 2: like that, So maybe that could be the connection as
Speaker 2: well to Utani. But yeah, I think that you're right.
Speaker 2: Next episode death, chaos, alien action, and then probably a
Speaker 2: finale that tries to establish how any of that gets
Speaker 2: cleared up, whether it be nuke from space or otherwise.
Speaker 1: Well, in the next episode of X ray Vision, we're
Speaker 1: diving into another edition of X ray Vision group chat Exert.
Speaker 1: We'll see and of course that's it for this episode.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Yeah bye bye. X ray Vision is
Speaker 1: hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is a
Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.
Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.
Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman
Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and Heidi,
Speaker 2: our discord moderator,