WEBVTT - Patrick Boyd - Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to part two of our podcast with Patrick Boyd.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you miss Part one?

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out and learn about how Patrick got into

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<v Speaker 1>the club making business and where's love of golf course

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<v Speaker 1>architecture comes from. We got a lot of great feedback

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<v Speaker 1>from everyone on part one that's been much appreciated, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoyed Part two with Patrick Boyd.

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<v Speaker 3>I miss a green.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, I'm already upset when I find my ball

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<v Speaker 4>in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I find my ball in a.

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<v Speaker 4>Egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, fridagggg bride egg lie,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm about ready to run off the course.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweetens is certainly in the fun category. Abandon is the fun.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like being out there for four years completely changed

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<v Speaker 4>my perception of golf and like how I value, like

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<v Speaker 4>just how I appreciate and enjoy golf.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the other most fun golf courses?

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<v Speaker 3>The other most fun yeah that.

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<v Speaker 2>You've played, Like, what are your like just the places

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<v Speaker 2>that you know it might not be the best golf

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<v Speaker 2>course from an architectural standpoint, if like you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at architect but like, what are the most fun

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<v Speaker 2>places that you've.

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<v Speaker 3>Played most fun.

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<v Speaker 5>That's gonna take me a minute. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. We got minutes and hours and we can

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<v Speaker 2>cutch up.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the thing, you know, I I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the two of us have kind of a mutual love

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<v Speaker 4>of Seth Rainer and Stevie McDonald and Banks I have.

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<v Speaker 4>I have so much fun going out and playing their

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<v Speaker 4>golf courses because you kind of know what you're getting.

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<v Speaker 4>But every course there's just there's just all these little

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<v Speaker 4>nuances in every version of an Eden or a double

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<v Speaker 4>Plateau or an Alps or where the strategies are going

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<v Speaker 4>to be kind of similar but where they were built

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<v Speaker 4>and the land is going to be different.

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<v Speaker 5>That's I don't know. I have.

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<v Speaker 4>I probably have my most fun playing their golf course

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<v Speaker 4>is just because I just kind of enjoy maybe it's

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<v Speaker 4>like the OCD in me or something. I just like

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy the similarities and differences it's playing their courses.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's there's something to be said about. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why everybody loves the Masters is they know what's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>They know and and I think that's something that's you

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's in a sense, it's unique to them,

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<v Speaker 2>even though a lot of people will say like their

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<v Speaker 2>courses aren't unique, which is I think a horrible take.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I think it's just a horrible take because I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of a lot of the best holes

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<v Speaker 2>at rain or courses and are the ones that aren't

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<v Speaker 2>the templates.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh dude, Like we've had this conversation how many times

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<v Speaker 4>about the back nine at Short Acres.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and too.

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<v Speaker 3>I means in general.

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<v Speaker 5>Let you, eleven might be the best.

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<v Speaker 4>Rader par five like anywhere?

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen?

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<v Speaker 3>You mean fifty?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry fifteen yeah, fifth ypt Sorry, fifteen might be

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<v Speaker 4>the best, right, dude? Eleven is just like it's just

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<v Speaker 4>so awesome and dramatic and just I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, it's just a foundful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it really, it's just an awesome It's an awesome brole.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've seen people. I've seen people play from down

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<v Speaker 4>below before too on eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Oh I've been down there.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw somebody big park from down there.

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<v Speaker 2>I've made par from down there. That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's here, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I what do you hit off the TV?

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<v Speaker 5>What do you hit off the TV that puts you there?

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<v Speaker 5>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I I know I can make par from down right?

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<v Speaker 2>I know I can't. You can't. It's hard to make

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<v Speaker 2>par if you pull it left. So if I'm gonna miss,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna fan it. I'm gonna fan it right, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go down there and I'm gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>completely blind shot. But it's like a it's one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty yards or one hundred and fifty yard you

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<v Speaker 2>can you can hit that shot onto the green, but

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<v Speaker 2>like if you got to chip out, then you have

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden half to the wedge close. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's way better to miss. It's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>those contradictory things. Missing right there, it looks like the

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<v Speaker 2>worst place in the world to miss. It's not that bad,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that's I think. It's kind of like what dope

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<v Speaker 2>does I've never.

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<v Speaker 4>Even like, I've never even considered walking up to that

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<v Speaker 4>tea with the driver in my hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I never would hit driver, never, or like.

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<v Speaker 4>I usually that's I hit I hit one iron a

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<v Speaker 4>lot off of tease.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I.

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<v Speaker 2>I played it the same. It was so fast. My

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<v Speaker 2>buddy hit a hybrid and it ran like sixty yards

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<v Speaker 2>into the end of the crap. It was. It was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the fastest golf course I think I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>played in my life. The ball was literally like bouncing

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<v Speaker 2>twenty feet off the ground and just running. It was,

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<v Speaker 2>and it had this brown tinge. It was unbelieved. It

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<v Speaker 2>was probably my favorite round of golf.

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<v Speaker 5>H Oh, that's the tan. Is hard to be when

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<v Speaker 5>you see the tan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never seen a Chicago golf course play that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like the most beautiful thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's uh that I just wish more

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<v Speaker 2>places would embrace the tan.

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<v Speaker 4>Such a dramatic it's such a dramatic change from that

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<v Speaker 4>place from what it was like ten years ago to

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<v Speaker 4>as far as just I mean obviously all the work

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<v Speaker 4>they've done out there opening up the vistas, but mainly

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<v Speaker 4>just how firm and fast they've been able to get

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<v Speaker 4>it and keep it. I mean, that's golf to me, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I you know, golf isn't golf without bounces.

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<v Speaker 5>That's yeah. Yeah, it's unbelievable what they hit at that place.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're moving out to abandon uh Oregon, Bend, Oregon? Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh. I always say I psychologically have moved to Bend. Yes, Sorr,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh, what uh, how many times.

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<v Speaker 5>Of people who move to Bend. It's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>people do move to bit.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like it's been growing and there's there's there's a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of golf out there. It's not banded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but uh, what's your what's your power? How would

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<v Speaker 2>you split ten rounds between those courses out there?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm embarrassed to say Old mac wasn't done.

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<v Speaker 4>The last time I was out there when we when

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<v Speaker 4>we had scratch and we were in Eugene, that place

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<v Speaker 4>was almost it was almost a weekly adventure.

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<v Speaker 5>We'd go out there. We go out there a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>If I had to split, if I had to split

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<v Speaker 4>ten rounds out there, I'd probably go like I'd probably

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<v Speaker 4>play six.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the Pacific. And this is like I said, I

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<v Speaker 5>haven't played Old McDonald. The first thing I do when

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<v Speaker 5>I get out.

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<v Speaker 2>There, well you got one, you got one. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have one at Old McDonald regardless. So you got you

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<v Speaker 2>got one, goes Old McDonald. And there's an asterisk that

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<v Speaker 2>could be more.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw that place.

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<v Speaker 5>Ari and I used to walk that.

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<v Speaker 4>Place when they were when they were building it, and

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<v Speaker 4>we saw it kind of being built in and it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's really an interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, a lot of people I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Are into architecture, when you ask them about that place,

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<v Speaker 4>it's almost like a litmus test because like a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people I know just they aren't fans of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I have. I've met fewer people that like it than

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<v Speaker 5>than don't. But anyway, ten rounds out there, i'd probably go,

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<v Speaker 5>I'd probably go six.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd probably play six Inphiment Pacific, three of them at

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<v Speaker 4>Trails and and the other one at uh Banded Dunes.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I just not that I dislike not that I dislike

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<v Speaker 4>Bandon Dunes, but I just like Pacific and Trails so

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<v Speaker 4>much more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's the thing with those. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like picking. Uh. I always say this, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of one of the things I think about with

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<v Speaker 2>courses is like there's certain courses like once you get

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<v Speaker 2>into a certain tier, it's like it's like picking which

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<v Speaker 2>supermodel is the most beautiful. It's like everybody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a different opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh it's like, oh, yeah, I agree, realize.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like that's what you talk to anybody too about

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<v Speaker 4>what you know their their top courses are their top five.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like when you when you talk to that, you

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<v Speaker 4>know you're you're flavoring it a lot with your personal preferences.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people like Furman Fast, some people don't like Furman Fast.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people like corridors, some people like with there's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just everything's kind of colored with your preference at some

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<v Speaker 4>point when you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Talking about golf. But hey, a question I've played, man, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A question I asked a ton of people is who

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<v Speaker 2>do you You already brought up Rainer MacDonald, Who's the

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<v Speaker 2>most Who's the most underappreciated architect.

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<v Speaker 4>Most underappreciated. You know, I'm a fan of Perry Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Perry Maxwell kind of fills that kind of

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<v Speaker 4>fills that spot. This is kind of like the secret

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<v Speaker 4>sauce on like a lot of golf courses. I just

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I think I think the world of prairie

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<v Speaker 4>dunes and anything of his that I've seen these touched

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, I mean, Crystal Down's got man one

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<v Speaker 4>of the best sets of greens I've seen really anywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Although they like they.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they bristle, they're all about like the Mackenzie

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<v Speaker 4>heritage there. But like I think Perry is Harry's pretty Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's pretty underrated or just underappreciated.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe yeah, yeah he I know Who's who's it for you? Langford?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm like I'm a Langford Moreau tragic at

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<v Speaker 2>this point I think about Langford.

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<v Speaker 4>Banks is like another one too that like nobody really

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<v Speaker 4>talks about. I think Banks doesn't get the great Banks

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't get a lot of love. And again there aren't

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<v Speaker 4>like a ton of like great well you got like

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<v Speaker 4>Whipperwill for his gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody told me about this Francis Byrne place in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Francis Byrne. It's like apparently Essex County used to own

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<v Speaker 2>it in New Jersey and it's uh, it's forty five

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<v Speaker 2>buck public course and it's a it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bank. So I think I think the first

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<v Speaker 2>hole is like a road hole. The second holes of

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<v Speaker 2>Burritz like it's apparently really cool. It's forty five dollars

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<v Speaker 2>you can go see like mcrain or it's not my

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<v Speaker 2>my high on my list of.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you have you played essex is good? Have you

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<v Speaker 5>played essex?

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<v Speaker 4>Essex's essex is good as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Up in Massachusetts or in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 5>In New Jersey, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A Tilling hass right, No, Ross.

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<v Speaker 3>Banks, it's a it's a Banks.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen that thing listed. I think they've had like

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<v Speaker 2>four people with killing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a Tilling tilling house Bak. I've seen like

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<v Speaker 4>killing ass back. There are two courses there, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think I think what you're talking about was part of

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<v Speaker 4>maybe the part of the original. There was thirty six

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<v Speaker 4>there originally.

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<v Speaker 5>I bet you that was part of I bet you

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<v Speaker 5>that was part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing with those with Langford, Moreau and Banks,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they came to the height of their

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<v Speaker 2>powers at the worst time the depression hit, and then

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<v Speaker 2>post depression people were like, how the hell are we

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to maintain this stuff? And they just didn't understand and.

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<v Speaker 5>So much and then so much of it went away

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<v Speaker 5>because of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, you play, you play those courses and

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<v Speaker 4>you see you see what you see. You see very

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<v Speaker 4>clearly defined areas that were once about. You know, this

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<v Speaker 4>was obviously a bunker, this was obviously this, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they just kind of taken them.

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<v Speaker 5>They've taken them out over the years because they just

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<v Speaker 5>don't see why it's there. But yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's just like the thing I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is like they were like they kind of turned it

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<v Speaker 2>up a whole nother notch and then it's like, the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>society was like, this is unfair. That's what I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of think is like I feel like Yale started that

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<v Speaker 2>and then everybody but everybody that saw it after the

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<v Speaker 2>World War two was like, this is unfair. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>the fair the fair thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well the people, and then and then trees, and then

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<v Speaker 4>trees started to become Then then clubs started planting trees,

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<v Speaker 4>and courses lost a lot of width and character. And

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that whole kind of that whole stranglehold started

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<v Speaker 4>in the what the fifties, the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Hogan, the Hogan effect. Yeah's I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Hogan had like a lasting effect on golf course design.

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<v Speaker 4>Or just in that sense just how just like what

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<v Speaker 4>they did to Oakland Hills, what RTG did Oakland Hills,

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<v Speaker 4>which you know was apparently the nastiest open course ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's uh, what you know, talking going back

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<v Speaker 2>to Maxwell, I feel like what you said about Crystal Downs,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's so many similarities with Prairie dunes and Crystal Downs.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, yeah, of course. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I said, man, secret sauce. He's a secret sauce.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I think, got it. I think about that with

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<v Speaker 2>Mackenzie all the time. He had Perry Maxwell and he

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<v Speaker 2>had Rap Hunter Rap. Hunter was kind of just like Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense if you're going to do great work,

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<v Speaker 2>you need great people.

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<v Speaker 4>And Hunter worked with him on pretty much everything in California.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think Hunter was the reason that he came

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<v Speaker 2>to America in the first.

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<v Speaker 5>He came over.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they did in Meata and then Meadow was

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<v Speaker 4>the first project that they did. M h And Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's that man. I was spoiled growing up

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<v Speaker 4>just knowing all that stuff was out there. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>play Meto until I don't know, probably about fifteen years

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<v Speaker 4>ago or so, but like just having Pasa and then

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<v Speaker 4>you know Sharp just you know, I get out to

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<v Speaker 4>Sharp once in a while and you just kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>See little bits and pieces of really cool stuff out.

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<v Speaker 4>There, and then you know, Green Hills was another one obviously. Northwood, Yeah, Northwood.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the story of Northwood. Northwood was built for

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<v Speaker 4>the Bohemian Club originally because their camp.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Bohemian grown up out there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's in Monto Rio, yeah, and the course was originally

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<v Speaker 4>built for them, and then it just I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get out there because we used to go We used

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<v Speaker 4>to go out there. We used to go out to

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<v Speaker 4>the coast a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Growing up, and and I've driven by the course my dad.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad was a Bohemian and I saw the course

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<v Speaker 4>a few times going going to the grove. But we

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<v Speaker 4>used to stay out out of Sea Ranch, like around

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<v Speaker 4>the holidays, and I always wanted to go up there,

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<v Speaker 4>but I never made it. I just was complacent and

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<v Speaker 4>played a lot of golf at Sea Ranch.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's that far from band So you know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a way south, like it's probably if you if

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<v Speaker 4>you took one straight down, I bet you, it's probably

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<v Speaker 4>a five to six hour drive straight down one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that far. You know people do that for sweet.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll hit it. I'll meet you. I know they too, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>I've done it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like man, I the day before that, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't did I. I told you the day before the Ringer,

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<v Speaker 4>I drove up to play Moraine before they punched it,

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<v Speaker 4>before they punched it for the winner I drove up,

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<v Speaker 4>I drove up, I played thirty six, and I drove

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<v Speaker 4>back and then the ringer was the next day.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like that was like a ten hour No, no,

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<v Speaker 5>it was more than that.

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<v Speaker 4>That was like, that was like a twelve hour round trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean that's just for thirty just for thirty six.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what a true golf lunatic will do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, oh, dude, there's there's this one trip we took.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I told you this.

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<v Speaker 4>There's one trip we took.

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<v Speaker 5>We rented a car.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like when we had Scratch, we had all these appointments,

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<v Speaker 4>like all over this was like a pull of their

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<v Speaker 4>story in itself.

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<v Speaker 5>But we rented a car.

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<v Speaker 4>We were gone for two weeks. We went and went

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<v Speaker 4>to thirteen states. We were five thousand miles on this

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<v Speaker 4>rental car. And I think we went to I think

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<v Speaker 4>we drove to Yale, like we had Yale playing on.

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<v Speaker 5>The trip, but we drove back there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think two more times in that trip when we

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<v Speaker 4>were like absolutely nowhere near it because we couldn't think

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<v Speaker 4>of anywhere else we'd want to play more than Yale.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I love Yale so much. Like it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the best. I don't think there's like it's there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>as good as anything else in the world in the country, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>with like.

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<v Speaker 4>A little TLC that place could be just like tops,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's it's just it's it's just a gigantic golf

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<v Speaker 4>course on this awesome piece of land. It's rough around

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<v Speaker 4>the edges. There's a few things that they could update.

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<v Speaker 4>There's really I mean, but I'm with you, and I

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<v Speaker 4>know I know a lot of guys that have played

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of a lot of McDonald's Reiner golf courses.

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<v Speaker 4>It put that at the very top. I have one

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<v Speaker 4>friend that likes it more than National. So it's just

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<v Speaker 4>it's just it's just and what can you really do

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<v Speaker 4>because the university owns a golf course, you know? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's like the stumbling point. That's like the that's

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<v Speaker 4>like the dilemma. I mean, you move three Green back

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<v Speaker 4>to where.

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<v Speaker 5>It was originally?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you do a few other You have a double

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<v Speaker 4>punch bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>On the pond, fix the bunkers.

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<v Speaker 3>Fix the bunkers.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Restore restore eighteen green. You see pictures of eighteen Green,

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<v Speaker 4>How eighteen Green there was originally and it was like

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<v Speaker 4>freaking wild. It was like, I don't know, it looks

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<v Speaker 4>like it was probably like twelve thousand square feet. The

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<v Speaker 4>bunkers were just like gnarly all around it.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of eighteen?

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<v Speaker 4>It's I don't know, man, it's kind of a polarizing hole.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not I mean, I don't know. It's not it's

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<v Speaker 4>not my favorite finishing hole. It's not a bad hole.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just not my favorite finishing hole.

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<v Speaker 2>It's are they do you?

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<v Speaker 5>What do you think of eighteen? What do you think

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<v Speaker 5>of eighteen?

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<v Speaker 2>I love it?

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<v Speaker 3>I just see you? You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>I you like blind?

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<v Speaker 4>Just you like that uphill blind blind t shot par five.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's here's my thing. Here's my thing. It's like that

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<v Speaker 2>whole place is like to me, if you're a if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a fair police golfer, you're gonna hate that place

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<v Speaker 2>if you if you believe in in overcoming obstacles and

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<v Speaker 2>and that golf is not a fair game.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair police.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the fair police. That's my new term. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the same, like the fair police are the people that

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was ridiculous that when some player in the

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<v Speaker 2>US Open short sides themselves into a downslope in the

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<v Speaker 2>worst possible position on a hole and can't hold the

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<v Speaker 2>green out of the bunker. That it's unfair that like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you hit it in the worst place you possibly could

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't hold the green. That's like, that's perfectly fair.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the fair. Police, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 3>You finish thought that's the fair.

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<v Speaker 2>So like to me, I think I've started to think

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<v Speaker 2>about golf architecture, and I think, like you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>when you have something that's not overly hard, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the eighteenth that Yale is overly hard. It's hard.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say it's overly hard, it's ale.

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<v Speaker 2>But if forces in extreme discomfort, the better the player

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<v Speaker 2>you are, Like I feel like a twenty handicap, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make any difference to them, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just it's really wide, it's really open. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>lose a golf ball in the hole. But like for

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<v Speaker 2>a good player, like it's the most uncomfortable, excruciatingly painful

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<v Speaker 2>finishing par five, and that that's great, that it fits

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<v Speaker 2>the character of the golf course so well.

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<v Speaker 3>Excruciating.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, I disagree with you, but it's a

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<v Speaker 5>pretty severe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the last time I played the last time

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<v Speaker 2>I played it, I hit like I was like I

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<v Speaker 2>was over right over the mound, like and I'm standing

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<v Speaker 2>there and I have.

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<v Speaker 4>The hickory You didn't have the hickory driver in your

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<v Speaker 4>hand there, did you?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I played I played one round with a hickory ballatta

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<v Speaker 2>it was you did okay, I barely. I carried I

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<v Speaker 2>carried the water on one by like two yards like

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<v Speaker 2>and it makes you think back to like when nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five or twenty I played that place.

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<v Speaker 4>With I played that place with per Simmon and modern

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<v Speaker 4>ball I I I but yeah, I can't imagine I

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<v Speaker 4>just with that's it's just over and you you're pretty long,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're pretty.

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<v Speaker 5>Long with technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so that's you know, but it gives you ninety

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<v Speaker 2>people could imagine playing it in a suit coat, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like it would It had to be impossible.

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<v Speaker 5>With a wooden with a wooden shaft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I think about.

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<v Speaker 4>All that went the ball that went like ten ten

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen shorter than that ballata ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's like, you know, that's that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it, is like, oh, we have it

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<v Speaker 2>so easy now, Like if you want to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>want to say that it's unfair, like that's that's crazy

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, dude, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know about I'm sure you probably

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<v Speaker 4>agree with me, but like, man, that's like to me,

0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.119
<v Speaker 4>that's like the greatest enjoyment. When you play with Hickory's

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 4>and per Simmon and Steel and you go out and

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<v Speaker 4>you like play a good round with that stuff, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like it's just like hard thought, like it's just it

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<v Speaker 4>It just I don't know, just makes it feel that

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<v Speaker 4>much sweeter, like shooting a decent round with that equipment,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's it's just it's so rewarding, at least it

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.399
<v Speaker 4>is to me when I play with that stuff, like

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<v Speaker 4>I play good round with that, it's like, Wow, I

0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 4>played with one hundred year old golf clubs and you

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<v Speaker 4>know this is what I broke eighty with them, Like wow,

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<v Speaker 4>that's pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>That the uh, you know, the par fives is where

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize the biggest difference.

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<v Speaker 5>Because you're not going to hit a lot. You're not

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<v Speaker 5>hitting a lot of them in.

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<v Speaker 4>Two Like none of them unless you're really good with

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 4>driver off the deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to hit like a really good shots

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<v Speaker 2>to make a birdie. And it's such a paradigm shift

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<v Speaker 2>from you know what it is today you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do overrated? Underrated? Sure, all right, we're gonna start with.

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<v Speaker 4>You know how we feel about are, how I feel

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<v Speaker 4>about pebble, overrated, underrated courses, architects.

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<v Speaker 2>What bermuda grass?

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<v Speaker 5>I know how you feel about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I've been thinking about it. Obviously, Like living

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<v Speaker 4>in the South, you don't really.

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 5>Have a lot of alternatives. So it is what it is.

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.159
<v Speaker 5>But it has its.

0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 4>Shortcomings as far as how sticky it is around the greens.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, but it just grows andy, that's the thing. It's

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:43.879
<v Speaker 5>just it's hard.

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.720
<v Speaker 4>It's hard to like under underrated or over it. It

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.239
<v Speaker 4>It just yeah, it's it's like the most like four

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 4>nineteen is like a super weed. It'll grow like through

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 4>a sidewalk. So I don't, I don't, I mean, I

0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:57.720
<v Speaker 4>don't know rated.

0:22:57.760 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 5>How's that you can't do that?

0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Added? Accept will answer, I'll side.

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 4>With you because I mean there's other surfaces that I

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.640
<v Speaker 4>obviously like playing better. So I'll say it's I'll say

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 4>it's overrated fun when is dormant dry? Dormant dry though, baby,

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 4>that's about as fun as it gets on Bermuda.

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're turning your back on the South. Just think

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 2>about that. Let's uh what about agent?

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 5>What was the first golf What was the first golf

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 5>course you played? It was all fescue like Bandon.

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know, to be honest, I I do not.

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't have awareness to when when the first course

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I played. It could have been when I was a kid.

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.639
<v Speaker 4>You were you weren't you weren't woke at that point.

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm sure I played one when I was

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>a kid, but I wouldn't have known, you know, Like,

0:23:55.680 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 2>what about uh what about A W. Tilling Hast?

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 4>I mean he obviously did some great work. Then again,

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.360
<v Speaker 4>he did a lot of stuff like in the thirties

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 4>during like did he he did a lot of WPA

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 4>projects removing fairway punkers from golf course. It's yeah, great

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 4>green complexes, but I don't know. I mean, SF's pretty awesome.

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 4>I haven't played a ton of his stuff. I've played

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 4>San Francisco probably a dozen times or so, and it's

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 4>pretty fantastic.

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 5>But I don't know. I probably air towards overrated, all right.

0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I uh, I haven't seen enough of his stuff.

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I got to do a big Northeast trip where I

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 2>just crank out. Sometimes I played.

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I I've played a SF. I've played a

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 4>SF about a dozen times. I've played. I played Philly

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 4>Cricket before they did work out there. I know there's

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.200
<v Speaker 4>a few more of his courses that I've played. I'm

0:24:58.200 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 4>trying to think off the top of my head.

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 3>But what about you, guys?

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 5>What about Ross? What's your stand? What about Ross? What

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 5>do you think about Ross? I think underrated.

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 2>I think he's underrated because he did so many courses

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 2>and like none of them really.

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Stink, No, none of them, none of them they all.

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. And it's just

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 4>it's so weird when people like talk about, like, you know, oh,

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 4>Ross number two, number two, but number two is kind

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 4>of a typical, and you know, number two is kind

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 4>of a typical of most of his other golf courses.

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.159
<v Speaker 4>I think Ross is delicious, man. I played a lot

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 4>of great Ross golf courses and I have not yet

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 4>to see a bad Ross golf course.

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>What about the North Carolina sand Hills.

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm embarrassed to say this, but I have not been

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 4>out there yet. I've lived out here for nine years.

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:54.920
<v Speaker 5>I have not been out there yet.

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 4>I've been trying to get out there before I move

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.439
<v Speaker 4>out of here, but I haven't been out there.

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 5>And there's a lot I need to see out there.

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 2>What about what about uh the PXG troops.

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you something, Man, if Bob Parsons was in

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 4>front of me right now, I would probably like knock

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 4>him over with a bear hug, just thanking him so

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 4>much for what he's done for just how golf equipment

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 4>is perceived and sold these days. He's like the patron

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 4>saint to me of like all these boutique brands, because

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 4>if he wasn't doing what he did, because I mean

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 4>I had some some works, you know, we were we

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 4>were doing him be custom products, similar price point, but

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 4>we were really an outlier. There was nobody else that

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 4>was offering something similar. It was more expensive, and you

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 4>know kind of you know, it's the stumbling point. Well,

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, all of a sudden, you know there's golf

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 4>clubs on the market that are the market accepts that

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 4>are you know, three thousand dollars or so for a

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 4>three through pitch set, and there's wedges that are seven

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 4>hundred dollars and people are buying them all of a sudden.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 4>These boutique brands have an opportunity to have a foothold

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 4>in the market to offer something completely different than what

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.239
<v Speaker 4>they do. So I mean in that sense, I'm a man.

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm a huge supporter of a huge supporter.

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 5>There's in that regard.

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 4>And I mean, you know their equipments they make, they

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 4>make a nice piece of equipment if you you know,

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 4>if you're really into technology and you know fast faces

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 4>and forgiveness, yeah, okay, and high bound they their irons

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 4>are pretty high bounds.

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.439
<v Speaker 2>But there is kind of like, uh, I have a

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of like hipster coffee joints by me, and then

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>you go in them and you hear the people like,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, they loathe like Starbucks, and it's like you're

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>in business because of Starbucks. Like they made it past. Yeah,

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 2>they made it acceptable to charge three dollars for a

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>cup of coffee, four dollars, five dollars for a cup

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of coffee. Like that's why people come to your place

0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 2>now because they realize, like, hey, you've got a better

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.640
<v Speaker 2>product than Starbucks. Like they they're they're the Gateway drug.

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>P XG is probably very similar for I never had

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 2>thought about that before.

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a it's i mean, they they That was

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.640
<v Speaker 4>a huge paradigm shift in the market as far as

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 4>how you know, the price point that people accepted to

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:18.719
<v Speaker 4>buy golf clubs.

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 5>It it really changed.

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean we had, you know, five years ago when

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.399
<v Speaker 4>Scratch was around, this was you know, it was a

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 4>much harder proposition. And now you know, the price point

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 4>that we're at with what we sell, it's you know,

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:33.679
<v Speaker 4>people are willing to pay it because you know, we

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.239
<v Speaker 4>offer we offer you know, very very different product from

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's very traditional. We make golf clubs like

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 4>they were made fifty sixty years ago. But if businesses,

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, they weren't around, who knows, I don't. I

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 4>don't necessarily know that there would be the market that

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 4>there is now for that stuff because of you know,

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 4>just being you know, being an option.

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 5>And being completely different from from them.

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's just about anything needs a foil I

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 4>think to be you know successful.

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>But uh so, uh let me ask you this question,

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>if you could bring back you know, one piece of

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>golf equipment, like one club from the you know, yesteryear

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and make it like in Vogue again, what would it be?

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>And then what was what was the worst? What was

0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the what was the most gimmicky concept of say the

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>nineties and two thousands.

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know, because there's not just like

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 4>one club I can just think of. I mean, I

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 4>wish people would like embrace or at least go out

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 4>and try playing golf with with vintage golf equipment. So

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 4>my club would be like probably just that genre of

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 4>per simon head steel shaft or wooden shaft.

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 5>I just think it adds a lot.

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 4>Of value and appreciation of golf, and I think a

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 4>lot of people should at least just try it and

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 4>just gain an understanding of what playing golf is like

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 4>with that stuff. U And I mean I've kind of

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 4>made a pledge to myself next year to I'm probably

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 4>going to play all next year.

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 5>With just for simmon. I mean, I don't know why not.

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 4>So if you want in on that, Batman, let me know, Uh,

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 4>the worst most gimmicky.

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 5>Man there are?

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 4>There are so many, and it's like because you can

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 4>pick all kinds of them, like Callaway had that that

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 4>C four driver that was like there river like the thing. Yes,

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 4>it was like it was horrible, but like the thing

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 4>is is like they took what they learned making that driver,

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 4>and then the first like composite like metal and carbon.

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Driver was next.

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 4>Like the first fusion driver came out right, I was

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 4>like this quantumly it was like, oh, let's just make

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 4>this like it's just like horrible, horrible driver and learn

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 4>about this technology and then apply what we learned into

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 4>something that's actually really good. Because that first fusion driver

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 4>was it was a pretty big deal when it came

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 4>out that that.

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Caravan driver was like the worst feeling driver.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 5>Dude, it was horrible. It was it was terrible.

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, club that you didn't mention in the The

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>five most influential thing was the club was the ping

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>T s I s I driver. Remember that one, the

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>black one?

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 5>Oh I do remember that one.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that had the had the plastic hozzle and had

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 4>the K on the crown. That thing was a pretty

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 4>big deal when it came out, and that was.

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Like everybody used that.

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 4>That was like early two thousands. Yeah, that was pretty popular.

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>M M.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 4>We could I could talk about that if you wanted to,

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Like that's like a that's like a many hours conversation,

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 4>and I don't think we had many hours to talk

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 4>about it. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 4>of stuff.

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of there's a lot of little stuff

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 5>like that, like you know.

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 2>What about the person and like oh with the diamond.

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 5>Had the diamond, the diamond the diamond dust.

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 4>On the faces and then the car byte was the

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 4>other one. Taylor made made a wedge like that that

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 4>had the car byte face.

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>They had the Nubbins too with the basketball.

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, no, yes, I do actually think that somebody

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 4>left the Nubbins at Sweeten's Cove and it may may

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 4>still be out there. Dude, I've out fell over when

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 4>it showed up. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 4>There's somebody that's still rolling a Nubbins. But yeah, Taylor

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 4>made had those balls, the innergel ball that even those

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 4>plastic tubes. Oh I forgot so weird and like unpredictable.

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Like that's like the greatest thing about golf equipment, man,

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 4>is like its just it brings out the scientists and

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 4>engineer and like everybody and the weirdest.

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Thing is is like, so you know, I've been like

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 5>on that side.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Of the business for like fifteen years now. It's like, dude,

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>nothing is new.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Like guys were trying to do this, they were blacksmiths,

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 4>but like the technology and manufacturing methods didn't really exist

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 4>to really.

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 5>Do the designs that they had in mind. And it's

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 5>it's it's just.

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 4>It's unbelievable to me when you look at all this vintage,

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 4>old antique stuff and you look at almost everything's been

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 4>tried before, and it's.

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 5>Just these just things just keep people just keep trying

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 5>the same ideas.

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 4>The fascinating thing to me is like when you when

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 4>you're talking about blades, all the really good blade designs

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 4>you see over and over again, like you you you

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 4>know you ever noticed like if you look at almost

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 4>any like OEM blade like single line cut, low center

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 4>of gravity, like almost every single one of them to

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 4>a t, is that design because.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 5>It works pretty well?

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's it's just you know, I don't know it's

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>irons are irons are? You know? Like so much I

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>think I feel like irons have it. You need to

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 2>like the way it looks, you know, I got a

0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 2>funny story about a club. I was playing the remember something.

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Horrible, Yeah, finish your story of I I just remembered

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 4>something absolutely horrible from the nineties.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 5>To go ahead.

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 2>So I'm playing my practice round at the mid Am

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and on one of the t's somebody left a Warrior Hybrid,

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a Warrior.

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 4>One of the ones that they set you one of

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 4>the ones that they set you free in the mail.

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. At a USGA event, somebody was gaming a Warrior.

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it just.

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 4>Fit that gap in his bag really well, you never know, man,

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 4>It's like with Yeah, it's like, man, I tell people

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 4>all the time with Fairway Woods, Like, man, you find

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:40.280
<v Speaker 4>good Fairie Woods, they're.

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Like old friends.

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 4>You don't kick them out of the bag because you're

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, you just don't find.

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Like Zonar Tech. This is the best one they made.

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 5>Great they made They made some really great stuff. Back

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 5>in the day.

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 4>They had the SS series that had all the different

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 4>face profiles. There was the one, two, the three, There

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 4>was a two five, the three five, There was the

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 4>S S O seven that had the adjustable hozzle.

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 3>There was the MP ninety nine.

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 4>It was the had like the gold ring on the

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 4>outside and the kind of purplish metallic paint.

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 5>Maybe really good stuff.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 4>I had a TRC which was like they're kind of hybrid.

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 4>I had one of those in my bag for a

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 4>long time.

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 5>I still have it somewhere.

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I had the SSO three with like an acroshaft. It

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 2>was just a beast.

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 4>I was just like a best off there, like a

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 4>beast off the tea. It wasn't the easiest off the deck,

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.919
<v Speaker 4>but it was just an absolute beast off the tea.

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Things like that.

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember the Atoms the Atoms fifty to fifty.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 5>That was like that too.

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.760
<v Speaker 4>It was just like man, it was just a deep,

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 4>deep head. And then Adams came out with the Beat.

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 4>The bt Y came out after, and that was another man.

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Those things were bombers.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 2>All I remember, like a great product. When it came out.

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 4>It was build the building, you know. Adams built that

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 4>entire company around that single product. Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 4>because I remember like the stuff.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 5>That they had like early or.

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Like late late eighties, early nineties. They had like the

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 4>airossol I remember what other They didn't really have anything

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 4>that was like, oh my god, And then that came out.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 4>It was like we took a fairy wood and we

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 4>flipped it upside down and it.

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 5>Really really works, and it really really worked, and they

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 5>built it.

0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, they built an entire business on that. Do

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 4>you remember. Do you remember in the nineties yon X

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 4>and I think Yamaha and Marimon they made irons that

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 4>the heads were carbon fiber kevlar. Yah Marriman had the

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 4>DCA where they were kevlar. That was a really those

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 4>were really weird talking about that stuff because there was

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 4>I remember there was a member at my club and

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 4>he would literally like every three or four months, he

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 4>would hit so many balls he'd have to send his

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 4>seven iron or whatever back to yon X and they'd

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 4>send him like a brand new one because you're just

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 4>wearing out the material. And so yeah, every every like

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 4>four months or so, they'd have to send him a

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 4>new eighty X two hundred and seven iron.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like the you know, it reminds me of a

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about yon X reminds me of those Cleveland vases

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 2>with the with the club in front of the club

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>head in front of the hazzle.

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 4>They actually they weren't on set like that. They actually

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 4>those actually have some offset, but the way they set

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 4>the hozzle up the head the face looked like an

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 4>egg and they did this is I think this was

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 4>when roseny'ol first acquired Cleveland. They put there's a vibration

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 4>of there's like a medallion in the back that was

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 4>supposed to absorb vibration and they had that kind of

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 4>egg shape and the hozzle connected really high on the face.

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 4>They weren't the first company to do that. This Jerry

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 4>Barber who wanted PGA. Jerry Barber had irons.

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 5>That he made back in the day.

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 4>They were called the Golden Touch that were very similar.

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 4>A hozzle on those that was like, dude, it was

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 4>like paper thin, Like it's just like the hozzle on

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 4>those is just like this little it's almost like a

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 4>putterneck that comes up. But those, you know, PAVEN won

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 4>a major with those irons, and they actually the first

0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 4>ones were Stinkers, and then they came out with the Plus.

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 4>The Plus model came out after the original vas and

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.760
<v Speaker 4>those are Actually I thought those were pretty decent irons.

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they were obviously a little unconventional looking, but

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 4>they they performed pretty well. I had a VAS one

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 4>iron when I was in high school. I had that

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 4>in the bag for a while. I think was pretty good.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 5>What was hideous? Like I heard these.

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Awful what major Winner had one with like the worst equipment.

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 3>One with the worst equipment. Oh man, that.

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Was like a thing in like the seventies and eighties

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>was like guys playing awful equipment.

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 5>I love that set.

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 4>I love that the set that Johnny Miller one is

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 4>open with that were I think they were they were

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 4>nine I think they were nine twenty five or nine

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 4>forty five. McGregor's where he had sowed where he had

0:38:56.520 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 4>like sawed the hozzles off and like bored bored him down,

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 4>and those are what he those are what he played

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:07.919
<v Speaker 4>for a while. That's like the greatest thing about back

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 4>then because like there weren't like these huge quantum leaps

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 4>in equipment from like the fifties to like the seventies,

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 4>and so guys would play stuff that was twenty years

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 4>old because it worked. I mean, that's like the thing

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 4>back then. It was like guys weren't changing clubs because

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 4>they were tied to some equipment contract and their manufacturer

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 4>wanted to play this because that's what was on the shelves.

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 4>You know, those guys were playing pretty much. I mean

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 4>they were playing pretty much whatever they wanted, whatever worked.

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 4>I mean, sure they had store brands that they sold

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 4>with their name stamped on them, but for most of

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.399
<v Speaker 4>those guys, they bagged with what worked for them. They'd

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 4>go to the factory and you know, they'd get they'd

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 4>get three or four fairway woods. They'd take them out

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 4>and they'd hit them and there'd be one that would

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 4>work better than the rest, and that was the one

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 4>that went in the bag, and they would, you know,

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 4>they would trade the other ones off. They'd find a

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 4>guy that it worked for, and they'd trade it off

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 4>for something else. And so you'd see that really old

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 4>equipment on them. You'd see that old us out on tour,

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, even like in the seventies and eighties,

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 4>and like I was saying, Freddy played a M eighty

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 4>five and old McGregor M eighty five for ever until

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 4>the nineties, it was like, you know, it's a forty

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 4>year old driver.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 3>It was still out in play.

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Hey, what was the thing you remembered the offensive product

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that you.

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 4>Remembered, the those pra those those awful ady x, the

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 4>alien wedge. There's another there's another good there's another good

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 4>product of the nineties was the was the alien ledge,

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 4>And obviously yeah, it was one of the investors was

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 4>a member at my club. So like everybody at the

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 4>club I grew up at had one of those in

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 4>their bag.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 5>My dad had one.

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 4>It was like the only thing you could get out

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 4>of the sand was his alien wedge.

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.760
<v Speaker 5>You still see him, you still see him in the wild.

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 4>There's someone that has a deep pain when they get

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 4>into bunkers. It's that's still that's like there's that's like

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 4>their security blanket.

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 5>You still see those things once in a while.

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, you do. I cannying that was a nightmare

0:40:58.360 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 2>when he saw one of those.

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:02.320
<v Speaker 5>You're like, oh yeah, that must.

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 4>Have been like the most interesting thing doing that, because

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 4>like you'd see somebody's clubs before you saw them, and

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 4>you're like trying to figure them out because like I'm

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 4>kind of weird, like I'll remember people by their golf

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 4>club sometimes like anything, oh oh yeah, oh yeah, you're

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 4>the dude that's got the nine ninety b's or like

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, remember stuff like that. So you're you're meeting

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 4>people and the me like looking into somebody's bag before

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 4>you meet them. As like an insight into who they are.

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, it's funny I work bagroom and caddied

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>so so many times I'd work the bagroom and then

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I'd like kind of I'd get to pick my loop

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and I pick you know, Joe Member with their guests,

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 2>and I had already seen the bags and had it

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 2>scoped out which bags I was taking. And so many

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>times you're misled by the if you judge off the

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 2>clubs and you're like god, dang, Like you know, you're like,

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 2>what am I doing with this guy? He's like a

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 2>tight ass. You know, he's got brand new clubs, he's

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>playing blade irons and he can't break ninety? Like what

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 2>am I doing right now? And I started to learn

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 2>that I really liked the guy. You find the bag

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 2>that's super light and the clubs might be a little older,

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 2>they might be a little a little worn, but like

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing no frills about the bag. That's the guy

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you want. And that's like the sneaky eight that like

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>plays five times a year, but it's really way better

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.720
<v Speaker 2>than an eight. Yeah, and it's a cool.

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Dude, di did it amuse you?

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Like when you go play somewhere like National or Short

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 4>Acres or Oakemon or whatever. Does it ever amuse you

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 4>to like walk around and look at the bags that

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 4>are sitting around just to see the golf clubs that

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 4>people are playing.

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 5>Do you ever do that?

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 4>Like it's it's maybe it's like a weird habit of mine,

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 4>but like anytime I'm somewhere like that and I see

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 4>like other people's clubs out like I'm always like drawn

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 4>and interested to see like what they have in their bags,

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 4>and it's it's, it's it's a pretty interesting like what

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 4>you usually.

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>See see Like. That's the thing though with me, is

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't pay attention to what anybody's playing because I

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>don't want to. I don't even think that I have

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I should be playing something else.

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 4>Well it's not to think that you should be playing

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.280
<v Speaker 4>something else, but I mean, I don't know. I guess

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm just a little bit wired differently as far as

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 4>but I how I look at equipment and.

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm a bum. I don't have anything fancy going

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 2>on with my equipment. You're, yeah, I've got like any

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I got like all old old equipment by today's standards,

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>but of my modern account.

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 4>You have so besides, besides the hickory driver, do you

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 4>have any wooden drivers around that have like a steel

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 4>shaft in them?

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 2>You know what I have that I I love is

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:44.959
<v Speaker 2>I have a PET three would Okay, I love that thing.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 4>See that's not and that's not even out of place

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 4>with the person and driver in the bag.

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But the problem is as far as the.

0:43:52.200 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 4>Hickory you know, a thirteen degree pet.

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen, I think, I think, come.

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 4>On, come on, Andy, you hit that further than you

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 4>hit the hickory driver.

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably about the same. It's not it's like a

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 2>ten and they're both equally as hard to hit off

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:17.240
<v Speaker 2>the ground.

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.240
<v Speaker 4>Those things are so sexy, just like this little tiny

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.359
<v Speaker 4>like just this little pea shooter like I have. I

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 4>have like all kinds of weird bags like I have,

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 4>like I have all kinds of weird like retro bags

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll go play with. And I've got like I've got

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 4>like a nineties bag that's got like my old like

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.280
<v Speaker 4>tour spoon and my my Founder's club forwood.

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:41.760
<v Speaker 5>And you set those.

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 4>Things down and they're just so tiny, but when you

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 4>catch them solid, they hit so hard. It's unbelievable to me,

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:51.399
<v Speaker 4>how hard You can hit a golf ball with those

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 4>with those things, and they don't really spin because the

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.839
<v Speaker 4>balls spun like hell, so they were you know, those

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 4>things don't really spin.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm eyeing on eBay right now, I've

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 2>been eyeing it for a little while is the is

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 2>getting a bathy back in the bag, getting a brassy

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a baffler like at twelfth afy gotcha, getting all of

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<v Speaker 2>those old cobra baffler's back end.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the laminated one of the laminated wood one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like like a six a six wood or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Orlamar made a bunch of those two. That's another one

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<v Speaker 4>to look for. They made a good Orlamar made some

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 4>good lamin at Fairways. It had a had a kind

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 4>of similar brass plate that wasn't quite as as severe.

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 4>The other one is the have you ever seen the

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 4>gain tvfore Uh huh. There's a company called that. I

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 4>don't even know if stan Thompson's still around, but they

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 4>had a company called stan Thompson.

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<v Speaker 5>Not to the Canadian, not.

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 4>The Canadian architect, but they have like this really like

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 4>really severe soul plate where it's like almost like a rudder.

0:45:58.480 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 5>It's like a.

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:00.840
<v Speaker 4>It's like a it's like a it's like a hard

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 4>v at the soul and that thing can get You

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<v Speaker 4>can get that thing out of like just about any

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 4>just gunchy lie.

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 5>My mom had one, and my mom was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a magician with it, like you can get it

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 4>out of just about any lie. That would be something

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 4>I'd look at too.

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<v Speaker 5>You're looking for something higher lost than of course the guinty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if they guinty.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're like twenty, like twenty degrees or so,

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 4>so it's basically like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Five would Let me tell you, the market for the

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.919
<v Speaker 2>bafflers on E base pretty good. I'm looking at one

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that's like sixteen bucks.

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty good.

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 5>You should just man, you should have some fun with it.

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:40.720
<v Speaker 4>Put together like like just put together like a weird

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 4>like nineties small head bag and enjoy that, like in

0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 4>addition to the hickory, because I think just playing with

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 4>all kinds of stuff is just entertaining. It's just you know,

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 4>especially if you're pretty good.

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 5>You are a good player. Like if you're a pretty

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 5>good player, I.

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.320
<v Speaker 4>Mean you don't I don't know, you hit those things solid.

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 4>There's not this fast disparagement other than you know, you

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 4>lose a little bit of carry with something would but

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 4>it's just fun playing with that with old wood old

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 4>small woodheads are are fun to play with small metal woodheads,

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 4>I should say.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it really seem way better with modern equipment too.

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 4>I would not you know, I would not disagree the

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 4>rounds that I would play or I would bust out

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 4>like a you know that when I had that like

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 4>five year spell or so, when I was playing with

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 4>pursum in the rounds that I would occasionally play with

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 4>something relatively modern. I'd use like a three hundred and

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 4>three fifty cc driver and I could hit those pretty well.

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 4>But it's just to me, it's just like it just

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 4>it's such a different focus when you're playing with that equipment.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 4>It's like you're not trying to like kill it, You're

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.320
<v Speaker 4>trying to hit it solid.

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 5>Like have you ever seen those videos of like someone

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 5>did this posted this thing a while ago that was hilarious.

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 5>It was like it was like down.

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 4>The line at like a tour event in the nineties

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 4>and you're watching all these tempos and it was just

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 4>like so different from watching Guys on the Range today

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 4>because these guys are playing blades. They're playing they're playing

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 4>small headed drivers, and they're not worried about swinging at

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and thirty miles an hour. They're worried about

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 4>connecting with it and hitting everything pure. And it just

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 4>it changes your focus playing with that stuff. When I

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 4>was talking about the guy when I first got in

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 4>the golf business, when I'm talking to Leith, I used

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 4>to go play a lot of golf with him and

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 4>I work.

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<v Speaker 5>With him, and he was a good stick.

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 4>He would he played for Stanford. He was you know,

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:28.840
<v Speaker 4>he was in his sixties at the time, and he

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.759
<v Speaker 4>still had he still had some game. And he put

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 4>this set of blades together. They were set at J

0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 4>thirty threes and they had some steel fibers I think

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 4>they were eighty gram or ninety five gram steel fibers.

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 5>In them, and he just striped him.

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 4>He hit them so much better than any cavity back

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 4>said he had and he just couldn't figure out why.

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, man like, think about it. When you're

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.760
<v Speaker 4>swinging those things like you don't have any other options.

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:54.799
<v Speaker 4>It's almost like fear factor. You've got to hit this

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 4>thing solid or it's not gonna you're not going to

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 4>get very much out of it, And for whatever reason,

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 4>it just rained him in and he played. He played

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 4>great golf with those.

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:04.320
<v Speaker 5>Off and on for a while.

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 4>But to me, like, man, there's nothing feels better than

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 4>just hitting you know, hitting that stuff pure because the weight,

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.760
<v Speaker 4>it's just so concentrated, and it's just just a different

0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:18.280
<v Speaker 4>feedback than what you get with a modern technology filmed

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 4>golf club.

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 3>It's just so different.

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's. Uh, you know, just make golf heart again.

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Make it unfair.

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 5>Like I'm saying to make it unfair, I'm saying.

0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying I appreciate it differently, I think. But

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.640
<v Speaker 4>that's I think. Yeah, that's I mean, don't I mean,

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying make it unfair. I'm saying, appreciate it differently.

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 4>There's there's there's so many different ways to appreciate it,

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 4>and that's just you know, one of them.

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 5>I Mean.

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:45.960
<v Speaker 4>The other thing I think I've talked about before is like,

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 4>the thing that's really interesting with the National custom work

0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 4>stuff is like almost half the projects I end up

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.439
<v Speaker 4>working on with clients or partial sets, there are guys

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.439
<v Speaker 4>that are trying to build like a four or five

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 4>six club set that they can go out and you know,

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 4>throw in a Sunday bag and go talking with I

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.759
<v Speaker 4>Just the way people enjoy golf is changing, and there's

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 4>still a lot of different ways to do it. You

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 4>can do it by playing different courses, like you know,

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 4>like Sweetens, you can go play the Cradle, you can

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, there's all kinds of neat different things like that,

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.320
<v Speaker 4>or you can play with different equipment.

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 5>I mean, whatever you want.

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.879
<v Speaker 4>To do, man, That's why I told him the way

0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 4>you want to enjoy it. Enjoy golf the way you

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 4>want to enjoy it, and you know, don't be ashamed

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 4>of it.

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:27.399
<v Speaker 5>Just embrace it. Enjoy it the way you enjoy it.

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is this buddy of mind. And he said

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.919
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't the course he played didn't test him enough

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 2>because it was too short and wide open. And I'm like,

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 2>don't just play with a five.

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 3>I you ask him what he shot.

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.400
<v Speaker 2>He's really he's a really good player. He shoots in

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the sixties.

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but what I mean, that's like I mean, but it's.

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 2>True because you just bash driver and then wedge it on.

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.440
<v Speaker 2>So I told him, like, hey, like, if you want

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:53.879
<v Speaker 2>to get better play with just a five iron none less,

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you actually have to hit mid irons in

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the greens. You know, like that's going to make you better.

0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 2>But hey, let's let's wrap this up. You know the

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:05.160
<v Speaker 2>last overrated under underrated the fair police.

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 4>I mean, golf is not by design to be fair,

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 4>so Glen. It's like life, man, it's like playing life. Yeah,

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, i'd say there's I don't think

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 4>there's quote unquote fair.

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Does not exist. It's that's that's golf.

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 4>So I guess I would say what that would be

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:27.320
<v Speaker 4>what they're they're overrated, They're way overrated.

0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 2>That that's a good answer. All right, Patrick, thanks for

0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:32.760
<v Speaker 2>coming on, Thanks for all the time.

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.320
<v Speaker 5>My pleasure man, anytime.

0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 4>Let's uh, let's get together soon. We should uh give

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.799
<v Speaker 4>me a shout one of these days. Offline, let's let's

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:41.879
<v Speaker 4>talk about a couple of things.

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I'll uh, people can find your stuff

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram at National Custom Works. Then you've got your Faral,

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>your Feral.

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 5>Game fer Company, and then and then yeah that's at

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 5>BB and f CO.

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:59.240
<v Speaker 4>And then there's a National Custom Works Fine furniture department

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 4>that's at the NCW. Find Furniture on Instagram, and then

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 4>I think I'm on Twitter, National custom Works and BB

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 4>and f R on Twitter. I was one of the

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 4>guys I did. I did Twitter for Swedens for a while.

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 4>I did the Instagram up until about October. Me and

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:17.399
<v Speaker 4>Rod did the Instagram until about October. And the Nash

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 4>is out there now has been doing it.

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:21.839
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so all.

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 5>Right, I talked too much. I apologize.

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 2>It's okay. This is a this is a two parter,

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 2>so we're we're yeah, well, we'll talk to you soon.

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to the Fried Egg podcast. We do

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the digging for you.