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Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two of our podcast with Patrick Boyd.

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Speaker 2: Do you miss Part one?

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Speaker 1: Check it out and learn about how Patrick got into

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Speaker 1: the club making business and where's love of golf course

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Speaker 1: architecture comes from. We got a lot of great feedback

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Speaker 1: from everyone on part one that's been much appreciated, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed Part two with Patrick Boyd.

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Speaker 3: I miss a green.

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Speaker 4: For example, I'm already upset when I find my ball

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Speaker 4: in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 5: And when I find my ball in a.

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Speaker 4: Egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, fridagggg bride egg lie,

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Speaker 4: I'm about ready to run off the course.

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Speaker 2: Sweetens is certainly in the fun category. Abandon is the fun.

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Speaker 4: It's like being out there for four years completely changed

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Speaker 4: my perception of golf and like how I value, like

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Speaker 4: just how I appreciate and enjoy golf.

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Speaker 2: What are the other most fun golf courses?

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Speaker 3: The other most fun yeah that.

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Speaker 2: You've played, Like, what are your like just the places

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Speaker 2: that you know it might not be the best golf

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Speaker 2: course from an architectural standpoint, if like you know you're

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Speaker 2: looking at architect but like, what are the most fun

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Speaker 2: places that you've.

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Speaker 3: Played most fun.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna take me a minute. Man.

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Speaker 2: It's okay. We got minutes and hours and we can

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Speaker 2: cutch up.

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Speaker 4: I mean the thing, you know, I I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: the two of us have kind of a mutual love

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Speaker 4: of Seth Rainer and Stevie McDonald and Banks I have.

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Speaker 4: I have so much fun going out and playing their

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Speaker 4: golf courses because you kind of know what you're getting.

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Speaker 4: But every course there's just there's just all these little

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Speaker 4: nuances in every version of an Eden or a double

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Speaker 4: Plateau or an Alps or where the strategies are going

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Speaker 4: to be kind of similar but where they were built

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Speaker 4: and the land is going to be different.

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Speaker 5: That's I don't know. I have.

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Speaker 4: I probably have my most fun playing their golf course

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Speaker 4: is just because I just kind of enjoy maybe it's

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Speaker 4: like the OCD in me or something. I just like

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Speaker 4: enjoy the similarities and differences it's playing their courses.

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Speaker 2: I think that's there's something to be said about. That's

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Speaker 2: why everybody loves the Masters is they know what's coming.

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Speaker 2: They know and and I think that's something that's you

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Speaker 2: you know, it's in a sense, it's unique to them,

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Speaker 2: even though a lot of people will say like their

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Speaker 2: courses aren't unique, which is I think a horrible take.

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's just a horrible take because I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of a lot of the best holes

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Speaker 2: at rain or courses and are the ones that aren't

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Speaker 2: the templates.

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Speaker 4: Oh dude, Like we've had this conversation how many times

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Speaker 4: about the back nine at Short Acres.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and too.

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Speaker 3: I means in general.

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Speaker 5: Let you, eleven might be the best.

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Speaker 4: Rader par five like anywhere?

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Speaker 2: Fifteen?

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Speaker 3: You mean fifty?

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry fifteen yeah, fifth ypt Sorry, fifteen might be

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Speaker 4: the best, right, dude? Eleven is just like it's just

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Speaker 4: so awesome and dramatic and just I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, it's just a foundful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really, it's just an awesome It's an awesome brole.

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Speaker 4: And I've seen people. I've seen people play from down

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Speaker 4: below before too on eleven.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Oh I've been down there.

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Speaker 5: I saw somebody big park from down there.

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Speaker 2: I've made par from down there. That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's here, dude.

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Speaker 2: I what do you hit off the TV?

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Speaker 5: What do you hit off the TV that puts you there?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: I I know I can make par from down right?

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Speaker 2: I know I can't. You can't. It's hard to make

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Speaker 2: par if you pull it left. So if I'm gonna miss,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna fan it. I'm gonna fan it right, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down there and I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 2: completely blind shot. But it's like a it's one hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty yards or one hundred and fifty yard you

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Speaker 2: can you can hit that shot onto the green, but

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Speaker 2: like if you got to chip out, then you have

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden half to the wedge close. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's way better to miss. It's like one of

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Speaker 2: those contradictory things. Missing right there, it looks like the

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Speaker 2: worst place in the world to miss. It's not that bad,

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Speaker 2: it's that's I think. It's kind of like what dope

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Speaker 2: does I've never.

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Speaker 4: Even like, I've never even considered walking up to that

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Speaker 4: tea with the driver in my hands.

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Speaker 2: Oh I never would hit driver, never, or like.

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Speaker 4: I usually that's I hit I hit one iron a

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Speaker 4: lot off of tease.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, I.

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Speaker 2: I played it the same. It was so fast. My

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Speaker 2: buddy hit a hybrid and it ran like sixty yards

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Speaker 2: into the end of the crap. It was. It was insane.

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Speaker 2: It was the fastest golf course I think I've ever

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Speaker 2: twenty feet off the ground and just running. It was,

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Speaker 2: and it had this brown tinge. It was unbelieved. It

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Speaker 2: was probably my favorite round of golf.

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Speaker 5: H Oh, that's the tan. Is hard to be when

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Speaker 5: you see the tan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen a Chicago golf course play that way,

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Speaker 2: and it was like the most beautiful thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's uh that I just wish more

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Speaker 2: places would embrace the tan.

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Speaker 4: Such a dramatic it's such a dramatic change from that

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Speaker 4: place from what it was like ten years ago to

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Speaker 4: as far as just I mean obviously all the work

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Speaker 4: they've done out there opening up the vistas, but mainly

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Speaker 4: just how firm and fast they've been able to get

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Speaker 4: it and keep it. I mean, that's golf to me, man,

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Speaker 4: I you know, golf isn't golf without bounces.

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Speaker 5: That's yeah. Yeah, it's unbelievable what they hit at that place.

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Speaker 2: So you're moving out to abandon uh Oregon, Bend, Oregon? Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's uh. I always say I psychologically have moved to Bend. Yes, Sorr,

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Speaker 2: but uh, what uh, how many times.

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Speaker 5: Of people who move to Bend. It's a lot of

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Speaker 5: people do move to bit.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's been growing and there's there's there's a

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Speaker 4: bit of golf out there. It's not banded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, what's your what's your power? How would

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Speaker 2: you split ten rounds between those courses out there?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm embarrassed to say Old mac wasn't done.

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Speaker 4: The last time I was out there when we when

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Speaker 4: we had scratch and we were in Eugene, that place

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Speaker 4: was almost it was almost a weekly adventure.

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Speaker 5: We'd go out there. We go out there a lot.

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Speaker 4: If I had to split, if I had to split

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Speaker 4: ten rounds out there, I'd probably go like I'd probably

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Speaker 4: play six.

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Speaker 5: Of the Pacific. And this is like I said, I

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Speaker 5: haven't played Old McDonald. The first thing I do when

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Speaker 5: I get out.

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Speaker 2: There, well you got one, you got one. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: have one at Old McDonald regardless. So you got you

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Speaker 2: got one, goes Old McDonald. And there's an asterisk that

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Speaker 2: could be more.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I saw that place.

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Speaker 5: Ari and I used to walk that.

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Speaker 4: Place when they were when they were building it, and

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Speaker 4: we saw it kind of being built in and it's

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Speaker 4: it's really an interesting thing.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, a lot of people I know that.

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Speaker 4: Are into architecture, when you ask them about that place,

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Speaker 4: it's almost like a litmus test because like a lot

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Speaker 4: of people I know just they aren't fans of it.

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Speaker 5: I have. I've met fewer people that like it than

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Speaker 5: than don't. But anyway, ten rounds out there, i'd probably go,

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Speaker 5: I'd probably go six.

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Speaker 4: I'd probably play six Inphiment Pacific, three of them at

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Speaker 4: Trails and and the other one at uh Banded Dunes.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 4: I just not that I dislike not that I dislike

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Speaker 4: Bandon Dunes, but I just like Pacific and Trails so

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Speaker 4: much more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's the thing with those. It's like

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Speaker 2: it's like picking. Uh. I always say this, like it's

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Speaker 2: kind of one of the things I think about with

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Speaker 2: supermodel is the most beautiful. It's like everybody's going to

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Speaker 2: have a different opinion.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's like, oh, yeah, I agree, realize.

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Speaker 4: It's like that's what you talk to anybody too about

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Speaker 4: what you know their their top courses are their top five.

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Speaker 4: It's like when you when you talk to that, you

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Speaker 4: know you're you're flavoring it a lot with your personal preferences.

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Speaker 4: Some people like Furman Fast, some people don't like Furman Fast.

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Speaker 4: Some people like corridors, some people like with there's you know,

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Speaker 4: just everything's kind of colored with your preference at some

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Speaker 4: point when you're.

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Speaker 5: Talking about golf. But hey, a question I've played, man, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A question I asked a ton of people is who

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Speaker 2: do you You already brought up Rainer MacDonald, Who's the

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Speaker 2: most Who's the most underappreciated architect.

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Speaker 4: Most underappreciated. You know, I'm a fan of Perry Maxwell.

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Speaker 4: I think Perry Maxwell kind of fills that kind of

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Speaker 4: fills that spot. This is kind of like the secret

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Speaker 4: sauce on like a lot of golf courses. I just

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Speaker 4: you know, I think I think the world of prairie

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Speaker 4: dunes and anything of his that I've seen these touched

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Speaker 4: and you know, I mean, Crystal Down's got man one

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Speaker 4: of the best sets of greens I've seen really anywhere.

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Speaker 5: Although they like they.

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Speaker 4: You know, they bristle, they're all about like the Mackenzie

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Speaker 4: heritage there. But like I think Perry is Harry's pretty Uh,

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Speaker 4: I think he's pretty underrated or just underappreciated.

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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, yeah he I know Who's who's it for you? Langford?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm like I'm a Langford Moreau tragic at

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Speaker 2: this point I think about Langford.

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Speaker 4: Banks is like another one too that like nobody really

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Speaker 4: talks about. I think Banks doesn't get the great Banks

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Speaker 4: doesn't get a lot of love. And again there aren't

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Speaker 4: like a ton of like great well you got like

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Speaker 4: Whipperwill for his gate.

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Speaker 2: Somebody told me about this Francis Byrne place in New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Francis Byrne. It's like apparently Essex County used to own

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Speaker 2: it in New Jersey and it's uh, it's forty five

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Speaker 2: buck public course and it's a it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: it's a bank. So I think I think the first

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Speaker 2: hole is like a road hole. The second holes of

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Speaker 2: Burritz like it's apparently really cool. It's forty five dollars

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Speaker 2: you can go see like mcrain or it's not my

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Speaker 2: my high on my list of.

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Speaker 5: Have you have you played essex is good? Have you

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Speaker 5: played essex?

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Speaker 4: Essex's essex is good as well?

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Speaker 2: Up in Massachusetts or in New Jersey.

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Speaker 5: In New Jersey, that's.

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Speaker 2: A Tilling hass right, No, Ross.

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Speaker 3: Banks, it's a it's a Banks.

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Speaker 2: I've seen that thing listed. I think they've had like

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Speaker 2: four people with killing.

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Speaker 4: It's like a Tilling tilling house Bak. I've seen like

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Speaker 4: killing ass back. There are two courses there, and I

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, you play, you play those courses and

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Speaker 4: Well the people, and then and then trees, and then

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Speaker 4: I mean I said, man, secret sauce. He's a secret sauce.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense if you're going to do great work,

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Speaker 4: And Hunter worked with him on pretty much everything in California.

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Speaker 5: He came over.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they did in Meata and then Meadow was

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Speaker 4: There, and then you know, Green Hills was another one obviously. Northwood, Yeah, Northwood.

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Speaker 4: It's in Monto Rio, yeah, and the course was originally

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Speaker 4: My dad was a Bohemian and I saw the course

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's that far from band So you know.

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Speaker 4: It's a way south, like it's probably if you if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that far. You know people do that for sweet.

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Speaker 5: I'll hit it. I'll meet you. I know they too, dude,

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Speaker 5: I've done it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like man, I the day before that, I

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Speaker 5: It was like that was like a ten hour No, no,

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Speaker 5: it was more than that.

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Speaker 4: That was like, that was like a twelve hour round trip.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's just for thirty just for thirty six.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what a true golf lunatic will do.

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Speaker 5: It's like, oh, dude, there's there's this one trip we took.

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Speaker 5: I think I told you this.

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Speaker 4: There's one trip we took.

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Speaker 5: We rented a car.

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Speaker 4: It's like when we had Scratch, we had all these appointments,

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Speaker 5: But we rented a car.

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Speaker 4: We were gone for two weeks. We went and went

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Speaker 4: we drove to Yale, like we had Yale playing on.

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Speaker 5: The trip, but we drove back there.

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Speaker 4: I think two more times in that trip when we

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I love Yale so much. Like it's just

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Speaker 4: A little TLC that place could be just like tops,

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Speaker 4: Like it's it's just it's it's just a gigantic golf

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Speaker 4: the edges. There's a few things that they could update.

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Speaker 4: There's really I mean, but I'm with you, and I

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Speaker 4: It put that at the very top. I have one

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Speaker 4: it's just it's just and what can you really do

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Speaker 5: It was originally?

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Speaker 4: Do you do a few other You have a double

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Speaker 2: On the pond, fix the bunkers.

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Speaker 3: Fix the bunkers.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's about that.

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Speaker 4: Restore restore eighteen green. You see pictures of eighteen Green,

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Speaker 2: What do you think of eighteen?

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Speaker 4: It's I don't know, man, it's kind of a polarizing hole.

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Speaker 4: It's not I mean, I don't know. It's not it's

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Speaker 4: not my favorite finishing hole. It's not a bad hole.

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Speaker 4: It's just not my favorite finishing hole.

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Speaker 2: It's are they do you?

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Speaker 5: What do you think of eighteen? What do you think

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Speaker 2: I love it?

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Speaker 3: I just see you? You know what?

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Speaker 2: I you like blind?

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Speaker 4: Just you like that uphill blind blind t shot par five.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's my thing. Here's my thing. It's like that

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Speaker 2: you're a fair police golfer, you're gonna hate that place

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Speaker 2: if you if you believe in in overcoming obstacles and

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Speaker 3: Fair police.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the fair police. That's my new term. It's

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Speaker 2: the same, like the fair police are the people that

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Speaker 2: and you can't hold the green. That's like, that's perfectly fair.

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Speaker 2: That's the fair. Police, I'm.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

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Speaker 3: You finish thought that's the fair.

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Speaker 2: So like to me, I think I've started to think

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Speaker 2: when you have something that's not overly hard, like I

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Speaker 2: don't think the eighteenth that Yale is overly hard. It's hard.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it's overly hard, it's ale.

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Speaker 2: But if forces in extreme discomfort, the better the player

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Speaker 2: just it's really wide, it's really open. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: finishing par five, and that that's great, that it fits

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Speaker 3: Excruciating.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I disagree with you, but it's a

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Speaker 2: I mean the last time I played the last time

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Speaker 2: there and I have.

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Speaker 4: The hickory You didn't have the hickory driver in your

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I played I played one round with a hickory ballatta

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Speaker 4: With I played that place with per Simmon and modern

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Speaker 4: and you're pretty.

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Speaker 5: Long with technology.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so that's you know, but it gives you ninety

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Speaker 2: people could imagine playing it in a suit coat, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like it would It had to be impossible.

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Speaker 5: With a wooden with a wooden shaft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think about.

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Speaker 4: All that went the ball that went like ten ten

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Speaker 4: fifteen shorter than that ballata ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, you know, that's that's the way

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Speaker 5: Well, dude, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know about I'm sure you probably

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Speaker 4: and per Simmon and Steel and you go out and

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00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 4: you like play a good round with that stuff, it's

444
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: like it's just like hard thought, like it's just it

445
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 4: It just I don't know, just makes it feel that

446
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 4: much sweeter, like shooting a decent round with that equipment,

447
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 4: Like it's it's just it's so rewarding, at least it

448
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: is to me when I play with that stuff, like

449
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: I play good round with that, it's like, Wow, I

450
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 4: played with one hundred year old golf clubs and you

451
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 4: know this is what I broke eighty with them, Like wow,

452
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: that's pretty impressive.

453
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: That the uh, you know, the par fives is where

454
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: I recognize the biggest difference.

455
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 5: Because you're not going to hit a lot. You're not

456
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 5: hitting a lot of them in.

457
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: Two Like none of them unless you're really good with

458
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 4: driver off the deck.

459
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to hit like a really good shots

460
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: to make a birdie. And it's such a paradigm shift

461
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: from you know what it is today you want to

462
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: do overrated? Underrated? Sure, all right, we're gonna start with.

463
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 4: You know how we feel about are, how I feel

464
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 4: about pebble, overrated, underrated courses, architects.

465
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: What bermuda grass?

466
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 5: I know how you feel about it.

467
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 4: I mean I've been thinking about it. Obviously, Like living

468
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 4: in the South, you don't really.

469
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 5: Have a lot of alternatives. So it is what it is.

470
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 5: But it has its.

471
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: Shortcomings as far as how sticky it is around the greens.

472
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 5: Uh, but it just grows andy, that's the thing. It's

473
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 5: just it's hard.

474
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: It's hard to like under underrated or over it. It

475
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 4: It just yeah, it's it's like the most like four

476
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: nineteen is like a super weed. It'll grow like through

477
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 4: a sidewalk. So I don't, I don't, I mean, I

478
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 4: don't know rated.

479
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 5: How's that you can't do that?

480
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: Added? Accept will answer, I'll side.

481
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: With you because I mean there's other surfaces that I

482
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 4: obviously like playing better. So I'll say it's I'll say

483
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 4: it's overrated fun when is dormant dry? Dormant dry though, baby,

484
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 4: that's about as fun as it gets on Bermuda.

485
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're turning your back on the South. Just think

486
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: about that. Let's uh what about agent?

487
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: What was the first golf What was the first golf

488
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 5: course you played? It was all fescue like Bandon.

489
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: I don't even know, to be honest, I I do not.

490
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: I don't have awareness to when when the first course

491
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: I played. It could have been when I was a kid.

492
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 4: You were you weren't you weren't woke at that point.

493
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm sure I played one when I was

494
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: a kid, but I wouldn't have known, you know, Like,

495
00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: what about uh what about A W. Tilling Hast?

496
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: I mean he obviously did some great work. Then again,

497
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 4: he did a lot of stuff like in the thirties

498
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 4: during like did he he did a lot of WPA

499
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: projects removing fairway punkers from golf course. It's yeah, great

500
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: green complexes, but I don't know. I mean, SF's pretty awesome.

501
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: I haven't played a ton of his stuff. I've played

502
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: San Francisco probably a dozen times or so, and it's

503
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 4: pretty fantastic.

504
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I probably air towards overrated, all right.

505
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, I haven't seen enough of his stuff.

506
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: I got to do a big Northeast trip where I

507
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: just crank out. Sometimes I played.

508
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 4: I mean, I I've played a SF. I've played a

509
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 4: SF about a dozen times. I've played. I played Philly

510
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: Cricket before they did work out there. I know there's

511
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 4: a few more of his courses that I've played. I'm

512
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: trying to think off the top of my head.

513
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: But what about you, guys?

514
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: What about Ross? What's your stand? What about Ross? What

515
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 5: do you think about Ross? I think underrated.

516
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: I think he's underrated because he did so many courses

517
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: and like none of them really.

518
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: Stink, No, none of them, none of them they all.

519
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. And it's just

520
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: it's so weird when people like talk about, like, you know, oh,

521
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: Ross number two, number two, but number two is kind

522
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 4: of a typical, and you know, number two is kind

523
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 4: of a typical of most of his other golf courses.

524
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: I think Ross is delicious, man. I played a lot

525
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: of great Ross golf courses and I have not yet

526
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 4: to see a bad Ross golf course.

527
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: What about the North Carolina sand Hills.

528
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed to say this, but I have not been

529
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 4: out there yet. I've lived out here for nine years.

530
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 5: I have not been out there yet.

531
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 4: I've been trying to get out there before I move

532
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 4: out of here, but I haven't been out there.

533
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: And there's a lot I need to see out there.

534
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: What about what about uh the PXG troops.

535
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 4: I'll tell you something, Man, if Bob Parsons was in

536
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: front of me right now, I would probably like knock

537
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 4: him over with a bear hug, just thanking him so

538
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: much for what he's done for just how golf equipment

539
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: is perceived and sold these days. He's like the patron

540
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 4: saint to me of like all these boutique brands, because

541
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: if he wasn't doing what he did, because I mean

542
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: I had some some works, you know, we were we

543
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: were doing him be custom products, similar price point, but

544
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: we were really an outlier. There was nobody else that

545
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: was offering something similar. It was more expensive, and you

546
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: know kind of you know, it's the stumbling point. Well,

547
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 4: you know, all of a sudden, you know there's golf

548
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 4: clubs on the market that are the market accepts that

549
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: are you know, three thousand dollars or so for a

550
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 4: three through pitch set, and there's wedges that are seven

551
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: hundred dollars and people are buying them all of a sudden.

552
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: These boutique brands have an opportunity to have a foothold

553
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: in the market to offer something completely different than what

554
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 4: they do. So I mean in that sense, I'm a man.

555
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: I'm a huge supporter of a huge supporter.

556
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 5: There's in that regard.

557
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: And I mean, you know their equipments they make, they

558
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: make a nice piece of equipment if you you know,

559
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 4: if you're really into technology and you know fast faces

560
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 4: and forgiveness, yeah, okay, and high bound they their irons

561
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 4: are pretty high bounds.

562
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: But there is kind of like, uh, I have a

563
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 2: lot of like hipster coffee joints by me, and then

564
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: you go in them and you hear the people like,

565
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, they loathe like Starbucks, and it's like you're

566
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: in business because of Starbucks. Like they made it past. Yeah,

567
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: they made it acceptable to charge three dollars for a

568
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: cup of coffee, four dollars, five dollars for a cup

569
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: of coffee. Like that's why people come to your place

570
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: now because they realize, like, hey, you've got a better

571
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: product than Starbucks. Like they they're they're the Gateway drug.

572
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: P XG is probably very similar for I never had

573
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: thought about that before.

574
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's i mean, they they That was

575
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: a huge paradigm shift in the market as far as

576
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 4: how you know, the price point that people accepted to

577
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 4: buy golf clubs.

578
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: It it really changed.

579
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: I mean we had, you know, five years ago when

580
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: Scratch was around, this was you know, it was a

581
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: much harder proposition. And now you know, the price point

582
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 4: that we're at with what we sell, it's you know,

583
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 4: people are willing to pay it because you know, we

584
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 4: offer we offer you know, very very different product from

585
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: I mean it's very traditional. We make golf clubs like

586
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: they were made fifty sixty years ago. But if businesses,

587
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 4: you know, they weren't around, who knows, I don't. I

588
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: don't necessarily know that there would be the market that

589
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: there is now for that stuff because of you know,

590
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: just being you know, being an option.

591
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 5: And being completely different from from them.

592
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: I mean it's just about anything needs a foil I

593
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: think to be you know successful.

594
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: But uh so, uh let me ask you this question,

595
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: if you could bring back you know, one piece of

596
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: golf equipment, like one club from the you know, yesteryear

597
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: and make it like in Vogue again, what would it be?

598
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: And then what was what was the worst? What was

599
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: the what was the most gimmicky concept of say the

600
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: nineties and two thousands.

601
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, because there's not just like

602
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: one club I can just think of. I mean, I

603
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: wish people would like embrace or at least go out

604
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: and try playing golf with with vintage golf equipment. So

605
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: my club would be like probably just that genre of

606
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: per simon head steel shaft or wooden shaft.

607
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 5: I just think it adds a lot.

608
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: Of value and appreciation of golf, and I think a

609
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: lot of people should at least just try it and

610
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: just gain an understanding of what playing golf is like

611
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: with that stuff. U And I mean I've kind of

612
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: made a pledge to myself next year to I'm probably

613
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: going to play all next year.

614
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 5: With just for simmon. I mean, I don't know why not.

615
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: So if you want in on that, Batman, let me know, Uh,

616
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: the worst most gimmicky.

617
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 5: Man there are?

618
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: There are so many, and it's like because you can

619
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: pick all kinds of them, like Callaway had that that

620
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: C four driver that was like there river like the thing. Yes,

621
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: it was like it was horrible, but like the thing

622
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: is is like they took what they learned making that driver,

623
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 4: and then the first like composite like metal and carbon.

624
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Driver was next.

625
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: Like the first fusion driver came out right, I was

626
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: like this quantumly it was like, oh, let's just make

627
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: this like it's just like horrible, horrible driver and learn

628
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: about this technology and then apply what we learned into

629
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 4: something that's actually really good. Because that first fusion driver

630
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: was it was a pretty big deal when it came

631
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: out that that.

632
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Caravan driver was like the worst feeling driver.

633
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: Dude, it was horrible. It was it was terrible.

634
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: You know, club that you didn't mention in the The

635
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: five most influential thing was the club was the ping

636
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: T s I s I driver. Remember that one, the

637
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: black one?

638
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 5: Oh I do remember that one.

639
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that had the had the plastic hozzle and had

640
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: the K on the crown. That thing was a pretty

641
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: big deal when it came out, and that was.

642
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: Like everybody used that.

643
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: That was like early two thousands. Yeah, that was pretty popular.

644
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: M M.

645
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

646
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: We could I could talk about that if you wanted to,

647
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: Like that's like a that's like a many hours conversation,

648
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: and I don't think we had many hours to talk

649
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot

650
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: of stuff.

651
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 5: There's a lot of there's a lot of little stuff

652
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 5: like that, like you know.

653
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: What about the person and like oh with the diamond.

654
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: Had the diamond, the diamond the diamond dust.

655
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: On the faces and then the car byte was the

656
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: other one. Taylor made made a wedge like that that

657
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: had the car byte face.

658
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: They had the Nubbins too with the basketball.

659
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, no, yes, I do actually think that somebody

660
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: left the Nubbins at Sweeten's Cove and it may may

661
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: still be out there. Dude, I've out fell over when

662
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: it showed up. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

663
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: There's somebody that's still rolling a Nubbins. But yeah, Taylor

664
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: made had those balls, the innergel ball that even those

665
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: plastic tubes. Oh I forgot so weird and like unpredictable.

666
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: Like that's like the greatest thing about golf equipment, man,

667
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: is like its just it brings out the scientists and

668
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: engineer and like everybody and the weirdest.

669
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: Thing is is like, so you know, I've been like

670
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 5: on that side.

671
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Of the business for like fifteen years now. It's like, dude,

672
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: nothing is new.

673
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: Like guys were trying to do this, they were blacksmiths,

674
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: but like the technology and manufacturing methods didn't really exist

675
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: to really.

676
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: Do the designs that they had in mind. And it's

677
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: it's it's just.

678
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable to me when you look at all this vintage,

679
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: old antique stuff and you look at almost everything's been

680
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: tried before, and it's.

681
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 5: Just these just things just keep people just keep trying

682
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 5: the same ideas.

683
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: The fascinating thing to me is like when you when

684
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: you're talking about blades, all the really good blade designs

685
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: you see over and over again, like you you you

686
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: know you ever noticed like if you look at almost

687
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: any like OEM blade like single line cut, low center

688
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: of gravity, like almost every single one of them to

689
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: a t, is that design because.

690
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: It works pretty well?

691
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's just you know, I don't know it's

692
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: irons are irons are? You know? Like so much I

693
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: think I feel like irons have it. You need to

694
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: like the way it looks, you know, I got a

695
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: funny story about a club. I was playing the remember something.

696
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 4: Horrible, Yeah, finish your story of I I just remembered

697
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: something absolutely horrible from the nineties.

698
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 5: To go ahead.

699
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: So I'm playing my practice round at the mid Am

700
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: and on one of the t's somebody left a Warrior Hybrid,

701
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: a Warrior.

702
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 4: One of the ones that they set you one of

703
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: the ones that they set you free in the mail.

704
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. At a USGA event, somebody was gaming a Warrior.

705
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 5: Maybe it just.

706
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: Fit that gap in his bag really well, you never know, man,

707
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: It's like with Yeah, it's like, man, I tell people

708
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: all the time with Fairway Woods, Like, man, you find

709
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 4: good Fairie Woods, they're.

710
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: Like old friends.

711
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 4: You don't kick them out of the bag because you're

712
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: you know, you just don't find.

713
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: Like Zonar Tech. This is the best one they made.

714
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 5: Great they made They made some really great stuff. Back

715
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 5: in the day.

716
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 4: They had the SS series that had all the different

717
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: face profiles. There was the one, two, the three, There

718
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: was a two five, the three five, There was the

719
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: S S O seven that had the adjustable hozzle.

720
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: There was the MP ninety nine.

721
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 4: It was the had like the gold ring on the

722
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 4: outside and the kind of purplish metallic paint.

723
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 5: Maybe really good stuff.

724
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: I had a TRC which was like they're kind of hybrid.

725
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: I had one of those in my bag for a

726
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: long time.

727
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: I still have it somewhere.

728
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: I had the SSO three with like an acroshaft. It

729
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: was just a beast.

730
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: I was just like a best off there, like a

731
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: beast off the tea. It wasn't the easiest off the deck,

732
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 4: but it was just an absolute beast off the tea.

733
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: Things like that.

734
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: Do you remember the Atoms the Atoms fifty to fifty.

735
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 5: That was like that too.

736
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 4: It was just like man, it was just a deep,

737
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: deep head. And then Adams came out with the Beat.

738
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: The bt Y came out after, and that was another man.

739
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: Those things were bombers.

740
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: All I remember, like a great product. When it came out.

741
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 4: It was build the building, you know. Adams built that

742
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: entire company around that single product. Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable

743
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: because I remember like the stuff.

744
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 5: That they had like early or.

745
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: Like late late eighties, early nineties. They had like the

746
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: airossol I remember what other They didn't really have anything

747
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: that was like, oh my god, And then that came out.

748
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: It was like we took a fairy wood and we

749
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 4: flipped it upside down and it.

750
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: Really really works, and it really really worked, and they

751
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: built it.

752
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: You know, they built an entire business on that. Do

753
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: you remember. Do you remember in the nineties yon X

754
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: and I think Yamaha and Marimon they made irons that

755
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: the heads were carbon fiber kevlar. Yah Marriman had the

756
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: DCA where they were kevlar. That was a really those

757
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: were really weird talking about that stuff because there was

758
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: I remember there was a member at my club and

759
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: he would literally like every three or four months, he

760
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: would hit so many balls he'd have to send his

761
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: seven iron or whatever back to yon X and they'd

762
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 4: send him like a brand new one because you're just

763
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: wearing out the material. And so yeah, every every like

764
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: four months or so, they'd have to send him a

765
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: new eighty X two hundred and seven iron.

766
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: It's like the you know, it reminds me of a

767
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: talking about yon X reminds me of those Cleveland vases

768
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: with the with the club in front of the club

769
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: head in front of the hazzle.

770
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 4: They actually they weren't on set like that. They actually

771
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: those actually have some offset, but the way they set

772
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: the hozzle up the head the face looked like an

773
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: egg and they did this is I think this was

774
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 4: when roseny'ol first acquired Cleveland. They put there's a vibration

775
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: of there's like a medallion in the back that was

776
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: supposed to absorb vibration and they had that kind of

777
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 4: egg shape and the hozzle connected really high on the face.

778
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: They weren't the first company to do that. This Jerry

779
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: Barber who wanted PGA. Jerry Barber had irons.

780
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 5: That he made back in the day.

781
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 4: They were called the Golden Touch that were very similar.

782
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 4: A hozzle on those that was like, dude, it was

783
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: like paper thin, Like it's just like the hozzle on

784
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: those is just like this little it's almost like a

785
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 4: putterneck that comes up. But those, you know, PAVEN won

786
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: a major with those irons, and they actually the first

787
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: ones were Stinkers, and then they came out with the Plus.

788
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: The Plus model came out after the original vas and

789
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 4: those are Actually I thought those were pretty decent irons.

790
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: I mean, they were obviously a little unconventional looking, but

791
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: they they performed pretty well. I had a VAS one

792
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: iron when I was in high school. I had that

793
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 4: in the bag for a while. I think was pretty good.

794
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: What was hideous? Like I heard these.

795
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: Awful what major Winner had one with like the worst equipment.

796
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: One with the worst equipment. Oh man, that.

797
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Was like a thing in like the seventies and eighties

798
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: was like guys playing awful equipment.

799
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: I love that set.

800
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: I love that the set that Johnny Miller one is

801
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: open with that were I think they were they were

802
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: nine I think they were nine twenty five or nine

803
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: forty five. McGregor's where he had sowed where he had

804
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: like sawed the hozzles off and like bored bored him down,

805
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 4: and those are what he those are what he played

806
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 4: for a while. That's like the greatest thing about back

807
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: then because like there weren't like these huge quantum leaps

808
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 4: in equipment from like the fifties to like the seventies,

809
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: and so guys would play stuff that was twenty years

810
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 4: old because it worked. I mean, that's like the thing

811
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: back then. It was like guys weren't changing clubs because

812
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 4: they were tied to some equipment contract and their manufacturer

813
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 4: wanted to play this because that's what was on the shelves.

814
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: You know, those guys were playing pretty much. I mean

815
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: they were playing pretty much whatever they wanted, whatever worked.

816
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: I mean, sure they had store brands that they sold

817
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: with their name stamped on them, but for most of

818
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 4: those guys, they bagged with what worked for them. They'd

819
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: go to the factory and you know, they'd get they'd

820
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: get three or four fairway woods. They'd take them out

821
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: and they'd hit them and there'd be one that would

822
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: work better than the rest, and that was the one

823
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: that went in the bag, and they would, you know,

824
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: they would trade the other ones off. They'd find a

825
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 4: guy that it worked for, and they'd trade it off

826
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: for something else. And so you'd see that really old

827
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: equipment on them. You'd see that old us out on tour,

828
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 4: you know, you know, even like in the seventies and eighties,

829
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: and like I was saying, Freddy played a M eighty

830
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: five and old McGregor M eighty five for ever until

831
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: the nineties, it was like, you know, it's a forty

832
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: year old driver.

833
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: It was still out in play.

834
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: Hey, what was the thing you remembered the offensive product

835
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: that you.

836
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 4: Remembered, the those pra those those awful ady x, the

837
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 4: alien wedge. There's another there's another good there's another good

838
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 4: product of the nineties was the was the alien ledge,

839
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: And obviously yeah, it was one of the investors was

840
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: a member at my club. So like everybody at the

841
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: club I grew up at had one of those in

842
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: their bag.

843
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 5: My dad had one.

844
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 4: It was like the only thing you could get out

845
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: of the sand was his alien wedge.

846
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 5: You still see him, you still see him in the wild.

847
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 4: There's someone that has a deep pain when they get

848
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: into bunkers. It's that's still that's like there's that's like

849
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: their security blanket.

850
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: You still see those things once in a while.

851
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: Oh god, you do. I cannying that was a nightmare

852
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: when he saw one of those.

853
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 5: You're like, oh yeah, that must.

854
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 4: Have been like the most interesting thing doing that, because

855
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: like you'd see somebody's clubs before you saw them, and

856
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: you're like trying to figure them out because like I'm

857
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: kind of weird, like I'll remember people by their golf

858
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: club sometimes like anything, oh oh yeah, oh yeah, you're

859
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: the dude that's got the nine ninety b's or like

860
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 4: you know, remember stuff like that. So you're you're meeting

861
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: people and the me like looking into somebody's bag before

862
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: you meet them. As like an insight into who they are.

863
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's funny I work bagroom and caddied

864
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: so so many times I'd work the bagroom and then

865
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: I'd like kind of I'd get to pick my loop

866
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: and I pick you know, Joe Member with their guests,

867
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: and I had already seen the bags and had it

868
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: scoped out which bags I was taking. And so many

869
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: times you're misled by the if you judge off the

870
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: clubs and you're like god, dang, Like you know, you're like,

871
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: what am I doing with this guy? He's like a

872
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: tight ass. You know, he's got brand new clubs, he's

873
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: playing blade irons and he can't break ninety? Like what

874
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: am I doing right now? And I started to learn

875
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: that I really liked the guy. You find the bag

876
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: that's super light and the clubs might be a little older,

877
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: they might be a little a little worn, but like

878
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: there's nothing no frills about the bag. That's the guy

879
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: you want. And that's like the sneaky eight that like

880
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: plays five times a year, but it's really way better

881
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: than an eight. Yeah, and it's a cool.

882
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: Dude, di did it amuse you?

883
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 4: Like when you go play somewhere like National or Short

884
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 4: Acres or Oakemon or whatever. Does it ever amuse you

885
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: to like walk around and look at the bags that

886
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: are sitting around just to see the golf clubs that

887
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: people are playing.

888
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: Do you ever do that?

889
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: Like it's it's maybe it's like a weird habit of mine,

890
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 4: but like anytime I'm somewhere like that and I see

891
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 4: like other people's clubs out like I'm always like drawn

892
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: and interested to see like what they have in their bags,

893
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: and it's it's, it's it's a pretty interesting like what

894
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 4: you usually.

895
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: See see Like. That's the thing though with me, is

896
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: I don't pay attention to what anybody's playing because I

897
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't even think that I have

898
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: I should be playing something else.

899
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: Well it's not to think that you should be playing

900
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 4: something else, but I mean, I don't know. I guess

901
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: I'm just a little bit wired differently as far as

902
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 4: but I how I look at equipment and.

903
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a bum. I don't have anything fancy going

904
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: on with my equipment. You're, yeah, I've got like any

905
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: I got like all old old equipment by today's standards,

906
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: but of my modern account.

907
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: You have so besides, besides the hickory driver, do you

908
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: have any wooden drivers around that have like a steel

909
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: shaft in them?

910
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: You know what I have that I I love is

911
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 2: I have a PET three would Okay, I love that thing.

912
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: See that's not and that's not even out of place

913
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: with the person and driver in the bag.

914
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the problem is as far as the.

915
00:43:52,200 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 4: Hickory you know, a thirteen degree pet.

916
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: Fifteen, I think, I think, come.

917
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: On, come on, Andy, you hit that further than you

918
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 4: hit the hickory driver.

919
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably about the same. It's not it's like a

920
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: ten and they're both equally as hard to hit off

921
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: the ground.

922
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 4: Those things are so sexy, just like this little tiny

923
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: like just this little pea shooter like I have. I

924
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: have like all kinds of weird bags like I have,

925
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: like I have all kinds of weird like retro bags

926
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: I'll go play with. And I've got like I've got

927
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: like a nineties bag that's got like my old like

928
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: tour spoon and my my Founder's club forwood.

929
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 5: And you set those.

930
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: Things down and they're just so tiny, but when you

931
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: catch them solid, they hit so hard. It's unbelievable to me,

932
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 4: how hard You can hit a golf ball with those

933
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: with those things, and they don't really spin because the

934
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 4: balls spun like hell, so they were you know, those

935
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 4: things don't really spin.

936
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 5: You know what.

937
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: You know what I'm eyeing on eBay right now, I've

938
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: been eyeing it for a little while is the is

939
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: getting a bathy back in the bag, getting a brassy

940
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: a baffler like at twelfth afy gotcha, getting all of

941
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: those old cobra baffler's back end.

942
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 5: One of the laminated one of the laminated wood one.

943
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like a six a six wood or something.

944
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 4: Orlamar made a bunch of those two. That's another one

945
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: to look for. They made a good Orlamar made some

946
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: good lamin at Fairways. It had a had a kind

947
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 4: of similar brass plate that wasn't quite as as severe.

948
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: The other one is the have you ever seen the

949
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: gain tvfore Uh huh. There's a company called that. I

950
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: don't even know if stan Thompson's still around, but they

951
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: had a company called stan Thompson.

952
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: Not to the Canadian, not.

953
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: The Canadian architect, but they have like this really like

954
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: really severe soul plate where it's like almost like a rudder.

955
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: It's like a.

956
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a it's like a hard

957
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: v at the soul and that thing can get You

958
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: can get that thing out of like just about any

959
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 4: just gunchy lie.

960
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 5: My mom had one, and my mom was.

961
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 4: Like a magician with it, like you can get it

962
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 4: out of just about any lie. That would be something

963
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 4: I'd look at too.

964
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 5: You're looking for something higher lost than of course the guinty. Yeah,

965
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 5: I don't know if they guinty.

966
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: I think you're like twenty, like twenty degrees or so,

967
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: so it's basically like a.

968
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Five would Let me tell you, the market for the

969
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: bafflers on E base pretty good. I'm looking at one

970
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: that's like sixteen bucks.

971
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

972
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah right.

973
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: You should just man, you should have some fun with it.

974
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 4: Put together like like just put together like a weird

975
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 4: like nineties small head bag and enjoy that, like in

976
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 4: addition to the hickory, because I think just playing with

977
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff is just entertaining. It's just you know,

978
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: especially if you're pretty good.

979
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 5: You are a good player. Like if you're a pretty

980
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 5: good player, I.

981
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 4: Mean you don't I don't know, you hit those things solid.

982
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 4: There's not this fast disparagement other than you know, you

983
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 4: lose a little bit of carry with something would but

984
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: it's just fun playing with that with old wood old

985
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: small woodheads are are fun to play with small metal woodheads,

986
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: I should say.

987
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: I think it really seem way better with modern equipment too.

988
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 4: I would not you know, I would not disagree the

989
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 4: rounds that I would play or I would bust out

990
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: like a you know that when I had that like

991
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: five year spell or so, when I was playing with

992
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: pursum in the rounds that I would occasionally play with

993
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: something relatively modern. I'd use like a three hundred and

994
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: three fifty cc driver and I could hit those pretty well.

995
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 4: But it's just to me, it's just like it just

996
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: it's such a different focus when you're playing with that equipment.

997
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 4: It's like you're not trying to like kill it, You're

998
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 4: trying to hit it solid.

999
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: Like have you ever seen those videos of like someone

1000
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 5: did this posted this thing a while ago that was hilarious.

1001
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 5: It was like it was like down.

1002
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: The line at like a tour event in the nineties

1003
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: and you're watching all these tempos and it was just

1004
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: like so different from watching Guys on the Range today

1005
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 4: because these guys are playing blades. They're playing they're playing

1006
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: small headed drivers, and they're not worried about swinging at

1007
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty miles an hour. They're worried about

1008
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: connecting with it and hitting everything pure. And it just

1009
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: it changes your focus playing with that stuff. When I

1010
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: was talking about the guy when I first got in

1011
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 4: the golf business, when I'm talking to Leith, I used

1012
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: to go play a lot of golf with him and

1013
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: I work.

1014
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 5: With him, and he was a good stick.

1015
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: He would he played for Stanford. He was you know,

1016
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 4: he was in his sixties at the time, and he

1017
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: still had he still had some game. And he put

1018
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: this set of blades together. They were set at J

1019
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: thirty threes and they had some steel fibers I think

1020
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: they were eighty gram or ninety five gram steel fibers.

1021
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 5: In them, and he just striped him.

1022
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: He hit them so much better than any cavity back

1023
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: said he had and he just couldn't figure out why.

1024
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: And I'm like, man like, think about it. When you're

1025
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 4: swinging those things like you don't have any other options.

1026
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: It's almost like fear factor. You've got to hit this

1027
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: thing solid or it's not gonna you're not going to

1028
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 4: get very much out of it, And for whatever reason,

1029
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: it just rained him in and he played. He played

1030
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 4: great golf with those.

1031
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 5: Off and on for a while.

1032
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: But to me, like, man, there's nothing feels better than

1033
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: just hitting you know, hitting that stuff pure because the weight,

1034
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 4: it's just so concentrated, and it's just just a different

1035
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 4: feedback than what you get with a modern technology filmed

1036
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 4: golf club.

1037
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: It's just so different.

1038
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's. Uh, you know, just make golf heart again.

1039
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: Make it unfair.

1040
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: Like I'm saying to make it unfair, I'm saying.

1041
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I appreciate it differently, I think. But

1042
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: that's I think. Yeah, that's I mean, don't I mean,

1043
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: I'm not saying make it unfair. I'm saying, appreciate it differently.

1044
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: There's there's there's so many different ways to appreciate it,

1045
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: and that's just you know, one of them.

1046
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: I Mean.

1047
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: The other thing I think I've talked about before is like,

1048
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 4: the thing that's really interesting with the National custom work

1049
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: stuff is like almost half the projects I end up

1050
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 4: working on with clients or partial sets, there are guys

1051
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 4: that are trying to build like a four or five

1052
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: six club set that they can go out and you know,

1053
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: throw in a Sunday bag and go talking with I

1054
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: Just the way people enjoy golf is changing, and there's

1055
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: still a lot of different ways to do it. You

1056
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: can do it by playing different courses, like you know,

1057
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: like Sweetens, you can go play the Cradle, you can

1058
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: you know, there's all kinds of neat different things like that,

1059
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 4: or you can play with different equipment.

1060
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 5: I mean, whatever you want.

1061
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: To do, man, That's why I told him the way

1062
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: you want to enjoy it. Enjoy golf the way you

1063
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: want to enjoy it, and you know, don't be ashamed

1064
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: of it.

1065
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 5: Just embrace it. Enjoy it the way you enjoy it.

1066
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is this buddy of mind. And he said

1067
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 2: he couldn't the course he played didn't test him enough

1068
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: because it was too short and wide open. And I'm like,

1069
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: don't just play with a five.

1070
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: I you ask him what he shot.

1071
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: He's really he's a really good player. He shoots in

1072
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: the sixties.

1073
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what I mean, that's like I mean, but it's.

1074
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: True because you just bash driver and then wedge it on.

1075
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: So I told him, like, hey, like, if you want

1076
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: to get better play with just a five iron none less,

1077
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: and then you actually have to hit mid irons in

1078
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: the greens. You know, like that's going to make you better.

1079
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: But hey, let's let's wrap this up. You know the

1080
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: last overrated under underrated the fair police.

1081
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: I mean, golf is not by design to be fair,

1082
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 4: so Glen. It's like life, man, it's like playing life. Yeah,

1083
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, i'd say there's I don't think

1084
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: there's quote unquote fair.

1085
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 5: Does not exist. It's that's that's golf.

1086
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: So I guess I would say what that would be

1087
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 4: what they're they're overrated, They're way overrated.

1088
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: That that's a good answer. All right, Patrick, thanks for

1089
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: coming on, Thanks for all the time.

1090
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 5: My pleasure man, anytime.

1091
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: Let's uh, let's get together soon. We should uh give

1092
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: me a shout one of these days. Offline, let's let's

1093
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 4: talk about a couple of things.

1094
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I'll uh, people can find your stuff

1095
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: on Instagram at National Custom Works. Then you've got your Faral,

1096
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Speaker 2: your Feral.

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Speaker 5: Game fer Company, and then and then yeah that's at

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Speaker 5: BB and f CO.

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Speaker 4: And then there's a National Custom Works Fine furniture department

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Speaker 4: that's at the NCW. Find Furniture on Instagram, and then

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Speaker 4: I think I'm on Twitter, National custom Works and BB

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Speaker 4: and f R on Twitter. I was one of the

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Speaker 4: guys I did. I did Twitter for Swedens for a while.

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Speaker 4: I did the Instagram up until about October. Me and

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Speaker 4: Rod did the Instagram until about October. And the Nash

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Speaker 4: is out there now has been doing it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so all.

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Speaker 5: Right, I talked too much. I apologize.

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Speaker 2: It's okay. This is a this is a two parter,

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Speaker 2: so we're we're yeah, well, we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to the Fried Egg podcast. We do

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Speaker 2: the digging for you.