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Speaker 1: Hey listeners, Jessica here. Be sure to check out new

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Speaker 1: of Tenderfoot TV and Resonate recordings. All individuals described or

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Speaker 1: be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jessica Noll, an investigative journalist with twenty years of experience.

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Speaker 1: I've been covering crime stories for a good chunk of

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Speaker 1: If I can tell the victim's story, shed new light

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Speaker 1: help their case. In twenty eighteen, I produced my first

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Speaker 1: story of Jessica Easterly Darning. She was the kind of

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, her case and manner of death were classified as undetermined,

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Speaker 1: It just felt different from any case I've ever covered.

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Speaker 1: It felt unfinished. Of course, it was unsolved, but it

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Speaker 1: was more than that. The one word that kept coming

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Speaker 1: up in our investigation was undetermined. And during a two

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Speaker 1: the French Quarter, it hit us that is what Jessica's

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Speaker 1: story is undetermined. It goes beyond unsolved and reaches far

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Speaker 1: just cold. It was dusty sitting dormant. No one was

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Speaker 1: investigating her death all because of that one word in

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Speaker 1: the coroner's report, and that word continues to haunt her

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Speaker 1: family and ultimately is kept her keys void of answers

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Speaker 7: My phone dinged and I was like, it's Justin, but

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Speaker 7: it's from Jessica's account, and he's saying he doesn't know

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Speaker 7: where she is, and like, my whole body just went cold.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how to describe it other than that,

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Speaker 3: Over about right there where that white thing is. It

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Speaker 3: and I remember just thinking, Oh God, please don't let

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Speaker 2: It boggled my mind that there would be less investigation

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Speaker 4: If it seemed like some sort of foul play to

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