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Speaker 1: All right, welcome into this week's Ozone podcast. And I've

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Speaker 1: been looking forward to this since he got hired because

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Speaker 1: liking a lot. And offensive coordinator Grant Yudinsky, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate you for having me.

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Speaker 1: And first time in this role. I kind of joked

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Speaker 1: because it's a pressure role. You know, how do you

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Speaker 3: I think that's something you embrace from an expectation standpoint,

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Speaker 3: because that comes along with the excitement and that's the

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Speaker 3: everybody you've come across on our coaching staff, and I

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Speaker 1: How you know, And I'll get this out of the

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Speaker 1: NFL coaching is trending younger, it trends really wrong, really

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Speaker 1: young with you. But how ready do you feel for

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I think about it in the

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Speaker 3: think that I've been unbelievably fortunate should be around really

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Speaker 3: my time in Carolina. So I think it's more so

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Speaker 1: I saw one story I was written on you when

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Speaker 1: You're in Minnesota, and you kind of mentioned the same

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Speaker 1: Obviously great work ethic, But is there a thing of, hey,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that it's coming from the place

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Speaker 2: So it's more so that this is what I love

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Speaker 3: This is what I've always loved doing. So in the

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Speaker 1: Better way to put it than the way I put it. So,

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Speaker 1: How does that transition happen?

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Speaker 3: But it's just like in coaching has been a unique background.

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Speaker 3: But the nice thing is playing defense, playing linebacker, playing

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Speaker 1: When did you know that you wanted to coach? Sounds

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Speaker 1: So when Liam talks about he was doing the same

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just the early passion, absolutely, yeah. And it's

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Speaker 1: To your point, how did you get to know him?

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Speaker 1: How long have you known him, when did that relationships start?

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Speaker 1: So it didn't take long in the I mean, you

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Speaker 1: Okay, got you. What would you consider your biggest I'm

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Speaker 2: So I try to take.

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Speaker 3: It, you know, be grateful for all those jumps that

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Speaker 2: But yeah, whether it's.

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Speaker 1: Obviously your relationship with Kevin O'Connell very close. What has

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Speaker 3: It's really in every way. But you spend so much

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Speaker 1: Is there some symmetry whatever you call it in your

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Speaker 3: but really the people is a big thing. People, the organization,

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Speaker 1: When you're in oc working for a guy who's, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Right. You can feel the relationships starting, and it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: What about him makes you excited for this? And what

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Speaker 1: I got you, I've got to know about and you

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Speaker 2: A day to day basis.

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Speaker 3: I would say, similar to how you approach the offensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator position, you are constantly learning all the.

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Speaker 2: Time at all roles. So I was not an.

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Speaker 3: Offense coordinator before this, but I was constantly preparing and

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Speaker 3: learning and gathering information and thinking about those things and

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Speaker 3: deliberating on what are the best processes, what are the

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Speaker 3: best ways of doing things, what makes an optimal situation,

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Speaker 3: what makes things less than optimal. But from a day

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Speaker 3: to day standpoint, I'm purely focused on my role here

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Speaker 3: and maximizing the potential of our players here and our

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Speaker 3: team here, our unit here. So it's certainly something that

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Speaker 3: I learn and try to prepare for. Maybe in the

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Speaker 3: off season, but it's not my focus and not something

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Speaker 3: I put a number on.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, the last thing we do. It's called the

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Speaker 1: ozone five. Five quick fun questions, and I know you've

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Speaker 1: been briefed on the first one. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I have last binge watch.

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Speaker 3: Oh if they did tell me this, yeah, I toltdally.

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Speaker 3: This was gonna be a bad answer because I don't

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Speaker 3: know that I've had a binge watch.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you not say films. I know you

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Speaker 1: want to say film No, that would be that would

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Speaker 1: be a little over the topotball, that would be.

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Speaker 3: A little too football coach of an answer. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna give you that. I gotta be a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a person.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I've watched. I'm not a binge

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Speaker 2: watch guy. I get I mean.

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Speaker 1: Favorite series of all time.

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Speaker 3: See this is I'm gonna I'm gonna fail. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: fail this whole What is this called the fives? I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna fail this entire ozone five. I'll give

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Speaker 3: you this instead of answering the question. I actually don't

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Speaker 3: have cable. I don't have a TV. The only TV

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Speaker 3: I have is I plugged my computer. Kevin gave me.

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Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell gave me his old TV when he when

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Speaker 3: we moved to Minnesota. So I used that to plug

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Speaker 3: my canter and when I go home and put the

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Speaker 3: film up on.

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Speaker 2: There, so screen it's an old flat screen. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'll get.

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Speaker 3: A TV now, but but yeah, that is Ah, maybe

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Speaker 3: that's more interesting than the fact that I don't have

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Speaker 3: a good binge show or makes me seem more insane.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully not totally insane, but yeah, I do not

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Speaker 3: have a TV.

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Speaker 1: When you're a coordinator twenty nine, you're supposed to be insane. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: the last song you heard this morning on the way in.

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Speaker 3: I told you I was going to fail these five questions.

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Speaker 3: I'm an audiobook guy, audiobook, audiobook and podcast. I'm an

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Speaker 3: audio track guy, so I mean, I'll have music on

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Speaker 3: in the background in my office.

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Speaker 1: But I couldn't even tell you what's gotcha. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea you'll get this one. Uh, the best vacation

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Speaker 1: spot you've ever gone to.

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Speaker 2: It's like choosing your favorite child.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that all right, Well, recentcy bias, the

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Speaker 3: recency bias, I would say Norway right now, but that's

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Speaker 3: because that was last summer.

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Speaker 2: So I'll go with Norway.

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Speaker 1: Top three because it sounds like that's interesting stuff for.

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Speaker 3: You, all right, or the last three, well, Norway.

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Speaker 2: The last three.

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Speaker 3: If I'm going backwards, yeah, I'll just lump kind of

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Speaker 3: Scandinavia together.

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Speaker 2: Then then i'll go the Alps.

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Speaker 3: It would be before that, specifically the Austrian Alps, and

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Speaker 3: then before that would have been.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 3: I'll go favorite three because I love well, it's hard

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Speaker 3: to pick. I got to pick something in the US,

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Speaker 3: but but I'll pick the Rocky Mountains just generally.

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Speaker 2: I'll take the whole range and could you've been.

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Speaker 1: There quite a bit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I spent a lot of time there.

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Speaker 1: Best football memory.

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Speaker 3: I'm I mean, I'm gonna go zero for five on

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Speaker 3: these I can't think of. That's the thing is you're picking.

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Speaker 3: You can't pick a favorite. You can't pick a favorite.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of really good ones. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of really good ones. I mean some of the wins

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, some of the the last Secon field goal. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: some of the good wins last year, even two years ago,

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Speaker 3: I mean three years ago. We had some big time

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Speaker 3: game winning field goals and close games at the end

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Speaker 3: that were really exciting. Two years ago, we still had

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Speaker 3: some really cool wins, like Josh Dobbs going in on

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Speaker 3: three days of preparation and beating Atlanta, where I would

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Speaker 3: love to take credit for it, but he's the one

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Speaker 3: that really put in the work, like some late nights

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Speaker 3: that week and long study hours to get him ready

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Speaker 3: to play that game, like unbelievable. It wasn't a playoff win,

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Speaker 3: and it's not a win that led us to get

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, but those are really really special moments. Really,

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Speaker 3: those moments where you see guys fulfill the potential and

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Speaker 3: achieve something that they've worked so hard to earn. Those

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Speaker 3: are some of the most fulfilling moments.

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Speaker 1: Person or people most responsible for you being here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a long list. That's a really really long list.

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Speaker 3: I would say, just for the sake of time, I'll

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Speaker 3: probably just focus on my family right now. Probably the

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Speaker 3: family and the coaches that I've worked with. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of coaches that I've worked with where if I

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Speaker 3: start naming one or two, then I'm leaving out a couple.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of coaches that I've worked with

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Speaker 3: who deserve credit. And then my family, my parents, my brothers.

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Speaker 1: Well, you said you were going to fail the ozone five,

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Speaker 1: I'd say you passed it. I'd say you probably got

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Speaker 1: an A.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the leniency on the grading. I think I

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Speaker 3: think two for five.

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Speaker 2: What was that?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: I go two for five actually giving you real answers.

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Speaker 1: So I think you had three for five.

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Speaker 2: And sixty percent.

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Speaker 1: In my academic world, that's passing.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll take it. I'll take it. I appreciate it, Grant,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing the ozone podcast. Look forward to

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Speaker 1: working with you, and I know fans looking forward to

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Speaker 1: watching you and getting to know you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy,