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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 3: We are back with another episode of the Action Network

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Speaker 3: NFL podcast, presented by FanDuel, talking through NFC win totals.

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Speaker 3: On this one, I'm your host, Chris Raybond, joined as

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Speaker 3: always by the Prime Minister of Degenerate Nation Stucky Stuck.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, man, bro?

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's it's good to be back again. If

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Speaker 2: you haven't checked out the AFC episode that's already out,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, trying to crack the code of this NFC

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Speaker 2: is certainly going to be interesting, but it's going to

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is a good exercise for us

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Speaker 3: because I think last year, I know, we unearthed the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals and we both bet that and I was like

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Speaker 3: one of our only win totals and that was easy.

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Speaker 3: So and we were kind of on the same page

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Speaker 3: this early juncture. So let's see if we stick to

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Speaker 3: NFC is pretty pretty bunched up, so it should be interesting.

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Speaker 3: In one note, let me say this off the top

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Speaker 3: the NFC this year, each team has nine road games

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Speaker 1: An extra road game.

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Speaker 3: So let's get right into it. Start with the NFC East.

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Speaker 3: Got the Eagles up top, coming off that NFC title.

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Speaker 3: Ten and a half is the win total minus one

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Speaker 3: p thirty juice to the over stuck. What are you

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Speaker 3: thinking about this Eagle squad who did lose some pieces

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Speaker 1: They were deep, but what are you thinking here?

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Speaker 2: schedule's gonna get a little more difficult. Last year they

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Speaker 2: and they didn't even play anybody in the playoffs either.

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Speaker 2: So this is a team that I was looking to

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Speaker 2: sell you. Also, you paid Hurts. Hurts had an amazing season, Kenny,

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. They're still a really good roster,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is more of a I mean, we could

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Speaker 1: He was just so on point all year.

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Speaker 1: You know, they kept playing the same teams over and

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Speaker 3: So but just from my vantage point, I think the

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Speaker 1: It, and the roster is good enough.

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Speaker 3: And you know, they still got Sirianni who they love

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to fade to ten and a half.

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Speaker 3: I could I could see them winning, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: But overall, you know, Mario, I I was looking at me.

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Speaker 2: I look, I'm not betting win totals this early. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so expecting to see an eleven or a half makes it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little sharper, it's a little I think

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Speaker 3: Uh again, I think the angle we're talking now, it's

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Speaker 1: Yet you gotta go division.

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Speaker 3: You say it every year, right, the same team never

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Speaker 3: back to what like two oh three or something like that,

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Speaker 1: You asked about Daniel Jones. Do I love the contract? No?

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Speaker 3: I do think he like if you look at the alternatives,

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Speaker 3: I think Daniel Jones the upside is there because of

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Speaker 3: I don't hate it. The Giants win total eight and

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Speaker 3: you mentioned Dable, it's like he's like Verbel. He just

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Speaker 2: To that's a bad injury luck last year, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But overall, I think.

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Speaker 1: Gilmore, you got Brandon Cooks. You know, this Cowboys team

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Speaker 3: So I think if you're attacking this division, you gotta

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Speaker 1: The Giants, or or just go Giants. What are your

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Speaker 3: Actually, because the win totals nine and a half is

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Speaker 1: I like, but what are your thoughts on Dallas here? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't see any value from a price perspective with them.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably stay away from division futures. If I wanted

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Speaker 2: The Eagles are probably at the peak of their value.

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Speaker 2: Look for a long shot to win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: how I would attack my or we'll end up attacking

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Speaker 2: my Eagle states and we'll get to the other divisions

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got the NFC North and this division, this

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Speaker 3: Their win total seven and a half minus one thirty

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Speaker 3: But I think the I think the Vikings are, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like it, I think so.

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Speaker 3: The reason I like the Packers is like you said, really,

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Speaker 3: you could say, yeah, they still have some holes. And

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00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: obviously they were a terrible team. I think they were

437
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: three win team last year. Obviously they still have some holes.

438
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: But remember the Bears have the most cap space in

439
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: the weegue and they still have you know, top five

440
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: draft capital among you know, all teams when you add

441
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: up all their the value of all their picks.

442
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: So like this Bears roster is.

443
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: Nowhere near done and in a winnable division like this,

444
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not discounting them because I just think Fields

445
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 3: gives them a ton of upside with you know, even

446
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: an average roster. So like the Bears, like the Packers did.

447
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: I liked what I the little bit we've seen of

448
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: Jordan Love. I think it would be enough to potentially

449
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: pull through. And this a vision that is very close.

450
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's let's not kidd ourselves here. So yeah,

451
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 3: I'm on. I'm on the Bears and I'm on the package.

452
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: I think you fade the Vikings at eight and a half.

453
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 3: And I think the Lions people are just kind of

454
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: onto them that they are they should be the favorite.

455
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: But you know, I think last is crazy, right everyone

456
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: the market has priced it accordingly. Yeah, but I don't

457
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: hate your Bears argument. I'm just gonna trust. I mean,

458
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: what breaks comes down to meze, I'm getting a better price.

459
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you are.

460
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: But I think the Bears are Like, I know the

461
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: Bears are in a better spot than the Packers though,

462
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: just because I think we know a little more about

463
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: Fields at this point, but also like they have so

464
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: much draft capital and they have cap space and you know,

465
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: you can always get you know, sign a veteran or two,

466
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 3: uh you know in the trenches that that's always doable.

467
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: But like remember their secondary is very young outside of

468
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: outside of Jackson, and like those guys could also take

469
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: a step like this, this Bears team could suddenly be

470
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: like mostly good players and like a few holes that

471
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: they only have to that they have like an abundance

472
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: of cap room and picks to fill, Like I think

473
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: this like this, what I'm saying with the Bears is yes,

474
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: they could be a year away, but they have enough

475
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: upside just given their circumstances right now to where this

476
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: team could be a lot better even like a like

477
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 3: a month from now, like two weeks from after the draft,

478
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 3: this team we could be like, oh wow, there's the Bear.

479
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: These Bears, like they look crazy right now. So that

480
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: that's why I'm still on the Bears too.

481
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: I agree with the Packers.

482
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm you're you're. I think giving you're you're more

483
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: have a little bit more faith in their defense than

484
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: I do. The problem is, then if their defense is horrific,

485
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: what does that mean that Fields has to do every week?

486
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: He's got to be Superman and he's running around trying

487
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: to make place for the entire game, Like there's no break.

488
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: You get the game in the thirties, in the like

489
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: in the forties, so there's so much injury risk when

490
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: that happens, Like he's he saw that, Like I think

491
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: that's that fout the end of the Falcons game. He's

492
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: taken hits with like twenty seconds ago, trying to get

493
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: down the field, like there's just no break and like

494
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: because you're getting zero stops and you can't. Just like

495
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: so though I am extremely worried about their defense linebackers

496
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: only so.

497
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: Far, I think a short change though, I mean because like,

498
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: all right, Jackson's still a good safety. Jackson's still a

499
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: very good safety. Risker is a U what is he

500
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: a Day two pick? Who is pretty good?

501
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: Lash?

502
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: You got Johnson, you got Gordon, you got uh Like

503
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: vill Door is not terrible either, And like remember they're

504
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna draft guys like I just think, I

505
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: just think this Bears defense is gonna look a lot

506
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: different than their.

507
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: Defense could just like place below average.

508
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: Billings, you're gonna be got blacker.

509
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: Last year they were historically bad. They got to make

510
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: a decent sized jump here and like signing a couple

511
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: of linebackers to me, but they.

512
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: Also got Walker, they on the D line, they got

513
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 3: Buildings on the D line. Both of those guys were

514
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: graded out as top twenty position and then help.

515
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: The needle for me. I don't trust their corners yet

516
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: we'll see at Johnson could stay healthy, and I don't

517
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 2: trust their them they get pressure. But look, I don't

518
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: mind the argument. I think that I don't think the

519
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: Vikings are the answer. So it comes down to Bears

520
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 2: or Packers. I think you're going Bears. I'm going Packers.

521
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: I trust the Packers d and they're priced more. But

522
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: it's a quarterback league, and you're right that you can.

523
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: As of right now, we have more data and just

524
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: we've seen fields do it and we haven't really seen

525
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 2: love do it. Very very limited sample size. So at

526
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it could just be the

527
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: quarterbacks of the difference and then you'll be right. So two sides, however,

528
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: you if you're listening, those are the kind of two sides,

529
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: uh to two of the teams in a division that

530
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 2: we're attacking. But how about lie Super Bowl futures, You're

531
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: gonna hear a lot of that.

532
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, hasn't Jared Goff already take I

533
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: like NFC title because I think the NFC is so

534
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: wide open, and you know, to your point, I think

535
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: the AFC. You know, regardless of which NFC team makes

536
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, they're probably going to be an underdog

537
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: to one of these AFC quarterbacks. So I like the

538
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: idea of betting on the NFC title. And you've seen

539
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: we've seen Jared Goff win it before, so yeah, I'm

540
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: on board.

541
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, you were to say, maybe this is

542
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: a good transition into like who's could win the NFC,

543
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: and like you start with the Eagles obviously, and then

544
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: who are the next teams that you feel comfortable? Now

545
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: you're out there and it's like you'll probably say the

546
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: Cowboys didners right, Like Lions are there, like they're oh

547
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: they're honestly.

548
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: It's more like which team can't win the NFC, Like

549
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, probably the Bucks, I don't, I mean like

550
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: the Rams I think lost too much.

551
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: Like I could see the pass and the Commanders if

552
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: Jordan Love ends up being very good.

553
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see the Bears winning the NFC.

554
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: That's what That's what I'm trying to say, like, like

555
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: there's so much I think the Bears win the nc.

556
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, I'm just trying to.

557
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like justin Fields essentially has to go like

558
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: make like a Jalen Hurts type weep he got DJ Moore.

559
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: We don't even they're not finished yet.

560
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: So like I think, I think the way the Packers

561
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: path is a little bit more like a like a

562
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: high floor path. It's like it's like if my if

563
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: my Bears prediction just completely tanks and we're you know,

564
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: we're right about the Like the Vikings are just that

565
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: mediocre team, and thes are just like you know, baby

566
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: baby Jared Goff blows a couple in the cold weather

567
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: whatever he does. Like the Packers are like that high

568
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: floor team that they're gonna be competent and like if

569
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: a couple of things break their way, they could they

570
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: could easily you know, get a lot further than I

571
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: think people think. So yeah, I don't I don't mind

572
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: the Packers at all, But like I'm looking at the

573
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: NFC right now, and honestly, I think the teams that

574
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: can't win it at least right now, Arizona, Tampa.

575
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: Washington, Atlanta but Atlanta can't Atlanta can oh my gosh.

576
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: No, Atlantic, Atlanta probably can't win it, but Atlanta can

577
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: probably go a lot farther than.

578
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: People think technically win it.

579
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, that's what I'm saying.

580
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: Like it's that's why I like NFC title that's more

581
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: than super Bowl futures, because it's you get a super

582
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: Bowl future. It's like you're kind of stocking the odds

583
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: against you in the sense that like it's it's already

584
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: wide open in the NFC and now you got it.

585
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Now, even if you do, you know, hit gold, then

586
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: they still probably gotta beat Mahomes or Borough or Alan

587
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: or Herbert or you.

588
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: Know somebody like that. So yeah, I like the NFC odds.

589
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: I like the conference championships. For the NFC AFC, I'm

590
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: a little more inclined to, you know, go super Bowl

591
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: for the top teams divisions for the other ones. Let's

592
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: go to the NFC South. Now, another one that could

593
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: go any which way. Let's start with the New Orleans Saints.

594
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: They are the favorite. Nine and a half is the

595
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: win total.

596
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing here for the Saints because

597
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: the Saints are set up reasonably well, I mean, I'm

598
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: not a big believer in Derek Carr at this stage.

599
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: I think he is what he is, pretty mediocre. He's

600
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: going to have some good days and some bad. I

601
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: don't think he's going to be a massive difference from

602
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: Andy Dalton, to be honest with you. But the schedule

603
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: is very, very favorable for the Saints. But I thought

604
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: this little tidbit was pretty hilarious given that, you know,

605
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: everyone's so high in the Saints. Dennis Allen has never

606
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: gone over his preseason win total oh and four. So

607
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: I guess that's the only that's like the biggest negative.

608
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: You could kind of throw out the Saints because their

609
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: schedules is easy, the division is easy. But what do

610
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: you think about this, uh, this Saint team?

611
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're overrated right now. Like there's

612
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: still some like I have questions about their defensive front.

613
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: They lost a lot of guys. They lost a lot

614
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: of guys. Alice Anyamata was it shy total.

615
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: Jordan is not the same player that he once was.

616
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: And you know, like the the offensive line, there's still

617
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: some questions there. It's not an amazing roster. It's like

618
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: a they're they're and average team. I think they're priced

619
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: about I think they're a little high on the win total,

620
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: but you know, like they're close to eating money to

621
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: win the division, which I think is attackable. I the Bucks,

622
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: you can't. I can't. The Bucks are like five to one.

623
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: I can't make a case for the Buck. So then

624
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: it comes down to do you fancy the Panthers are Falcons.

625
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Panthers like plus three hundred, the Falcons are plus three fifty.

626
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: I would have see I was gonna go Panthers if

627
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: they if they drafted Stroud, I think Stroud was a

628
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: better fit. I think they're gonna draft from draft Bryce Young,

629
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: and I think Stroud is a better fit for right.

630
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: But like you're like Adam feeling instead of DJ Moore feelings.

631
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: All the signs are like he's gone like this, so

632
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: like you're gonna rely on him to be your number one.

633
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: That's not good. I do like some of the things

634
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: that they could potentially do on defense. The Falcons. I

635
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: think you're gonna make the case for them. Oh yeah,

636
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: it's I mean, it just comes down to, like is

637
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: it heinike? Are they gonna who's the quarterback? I'm not

638
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: a ridder guy at all, and they need to get

639
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: and edge rusher they had the past two years, sixteen

640
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: teams have double the sacks that they do. That's insane.

641
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: The Raiders have the second few of sacks. They have

642
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: like thirty more than the Falcons, and they didn't address that.

643
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: But the secondary has potential, but I don't. There's no

644
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: edge rush, and I don't believe in the quarterback, so

645
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: like it's hard for me to get behind them. And

646
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: then the Panthers are gonna have a rookie quarterback. I

647
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: kind of wanted them to get strapped. They're gonna get young,

648
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: and then I didn't love the feel and signing. So

649
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: now I'm kind of soad on the Panthers. So maybe

650
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: you can sway me on the Falcons and make your case.

651
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: So here's my thing with the Falcons.

652
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: Last year, Yeah, Marcus Mariota and Desmond Rudder and they

653
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: still finished number thirteen in offensive DVOA. They were number

654
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: three rushing team, so we know they're gonna be able

655
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: to run a ball.

656
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: They got a couple of old linemen coming back from injuries,

657
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: but their old line can really run block and they

658
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: could fucking they get a lead on you they are.

659
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you look at they have four their

660
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: five actually all of their five starters right now. If

661
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: you go if you look at PFF.

662
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: Grades from last year, they're all top fourteen or better

663
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: at their position. Like they across the board, Matthews, Hennessey,

664
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: Dowm and Lynst McGarry. That it's a real strong offensive line.

665
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 3: Drake London premier talent at wide receiver entering year two,

666
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts premier talent at tight end, essentially another wide receiver.

667
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: Aljier turned into a very good running back. You know,

668
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: they upgraded that that spot opposite London with mac Collins.

669
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: I think they still have more work to do, but

670
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: like mac Collins is still better than you know, whatever

671
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: Demery Bird and it was.

672
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards and all that.

673
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: But so the offense, you know, even if it's just

674
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: some combination again of Ritter and Heinike, I still think

675
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: can be a pretty un above average offense because we

676
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: saw that last year and Heidikey I think is better

677
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: than Ritter and Mariota. So you know, like that could

678
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: be worth another couple of spots, you know, and who knows,

679
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: they could have a top ten offense and then on defense,

680
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: I don't.

681
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: Think why don't they trade for Lamar by the way,

682
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: I don't think.

683
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: That's out of the question.

684
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: I know they they should like that. That makes so

685
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 5: much sense for the rushing offense. Yep, and put them

686
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 5: on in the NFC. So that's that's something that could happen.

687
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 5: And more upside of the Falcons. I love what they

688
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 5: in the secondary.

689
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesse Bates, that's that's big. Uh on the cheap.

690
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: I know he's been a bus but you got him

691
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: on the cheap.

692
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hayward, you still have to row.

693
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: You already have corners with a ton of potential, and yeah,

694
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: they just need to get which they should do in

695
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: the draft. They need to get and edge rush.

696
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: And they got Kalis though is another veteran.

697
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah he never drops off. He's a steady production. But

698
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: they need someone that can get into the backfield off

699
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: the edge. Whether that's you sign a veteran or you

700
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: get that in the draft. But yeah, then you have

701
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: the Lamar potential. I think he convinced me. I think

702
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: it's the Falcons are the way you get and I.

703
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: Mean, like, I just think it's another team.

704
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: I just think has a lot of upside because of

705
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 3: how like they were already solid on offense with such

706
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: a shitty quarterback situation, and their defense is going to

707
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: be a lot better. And even like even like some

708
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: of like the risky, you know, just flyers they took,

709
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: like bud Dupree could be nothing.

710
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: Could get hurt.

711
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: But there's been times when he's been a good as

712
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: rusher himself. So it's like, yeah, I'm sold on the

713
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: Falcons last year. I'm just saying I'm giving you an

714
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: example of the type of moves they're making, like he

715
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to pan out at all and they'll

716
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: still be fine. They they do need to get like

717
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: a premier edge rusher, but I think they can do that.

718
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: They have cap space, they have draft capital. Yeah.

719
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: Rushing offense, yeah, I think Falcons are the way to go.

720
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: Panthers are too chalky. Panthers are just too chalky.

721
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: Like everyone is like, oh, they got the you know,

722
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: they got the pick, and you know they were kind

723
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: of a darling last year. I think last year was

724
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: like betting on the Panthers like we did down the

725
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: stretch and they were underdogs every week. That was that

726
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: was when you wanted them. Now, I think they're they're

727
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: a little they're a little.

728
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Over you are the Panthers, whisper, So I'm going to

729
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: and I soured on them recently. I thought I was

730
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: gonna make a case of the Panthers. Didn't.

731
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: They added a bunch of mediocre towns.

732
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: Like, for example, like they lose Foreman, they get Miles Sanders.

733
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: That's not like a massive compared to how Foreman was playing.

734
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Not a massive.

735
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: Thoughts over too, if you can tell by how the right.

736
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: Snap Boston Scott right they get, they lose more, and

737
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: they replaced them with Adam Thoen and DJ Shark and

738
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: not really an upgrade there, even even if you go

739
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: to for one, you know, Huddle was pretty average for

740
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: the Saints last year. DeShawn Williams on the edge was

741
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: Helo average.

742
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Von Bell is decent.

743
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: But you know, overall they made a lot of moves,

744
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 3: but they didn't get like massively better, you know, even

745
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: especially you know the way Donald was playing Andy Dalton.

746
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably not gonna beat that by a ton.

747
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: You know.

748
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: It's just like they're gonna have They're gonna get a

749
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback and if if they hit then they could

750
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 3: blow it out the water to it's a weak division,

751
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: but I just don't think they did.

752
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: They're not. They don't impress me. And Frank Reich to

753
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: me is just a very mediocre coach as well.

754
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, Falcons are the way to go. Bucks.

755
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Buck six and a half is their win total?

756
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: Falcons and Panthers at seven and a half?

757
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: Uh so?

758
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 3: Uh And you said plus three hundred and plus three fifty.

759
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: Uh So I like those Falcons. Odds for the division

760
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: as well. Okay, the West. He got the Niners up top.

761
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: Eleven and a half is the win total minus one

762
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: fifty to the under so more like eleven little little

763
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 3: over eleven one. What do you think about the Niners

764
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: year purty avoids, Tommy John, They had Hargraves, they had Oliver.

765
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: They lose who do they lose it? They lost a

766
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: couple of guys on du Yeah, they lose mcgwinchy and

767
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: brun Skill and then they lose al Shire and Ebukam

768
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: on d but and Garoppolo obviously, son. What do you

769
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: think of San Francisco eleven and a half? I mean,

770
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: that's that's up there.

771
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there, and they're like minus one seventy to

772
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: win the division. They the problem is they're in the

773
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: NFC and then they're in a division where you have

774
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: the Rams and the Cardinals, and the Rams are gonna

775
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: be bad. I mean, maybe you're buying the Rams and

776
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: McVeigh at a low point. Maybe you can make that case,

777
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: you know. I like some of the moves that Seattle

778
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: has made. Still need to go out and get just

779
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: like big, bigger on the interier defensive line. But like

780
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: I think last year was like probably as good as

781
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna get for that roster with Gino Smith and

782
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's very difficult for me to fade

783
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: the Niners here from a division standpoint. I'm not betting

784
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: them to win the division. I think that their win

785
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: total might be tad high. But yeah, this division is

786
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: it is giving me trouble right now. The only thing

787
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: that I do know is now there's some winnable games

788
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 2: on the schedule, but Arizona is basically in rebuild mode

789
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: and they don't care. This is a long term thing. Also,

790
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: there all the talk is Kyler Murray, we just want

791
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: to be fully healthy, probably like we want him one

792
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: hundred percent before he goes back. So he might not

793
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: be back until like week nine to ten and then

794
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: like who knows, and you Boodha Baker. Now, I mean,

795
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: look at that defense you want talk about historically that

796
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: defense as of right now, and Gann it's gonna take

797
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: a while for him to get his guys to fit

798
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: his scheme. But boot A Baker's now requesting a trade.

799
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm assuming they should. They should do that. They should

800
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: trade him Hopkins, I assume is gonna get traded like

801
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: w retired. Look at this defensive roster, the Arizona defensive roster.

802
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: You know, they lost their most reliable corner. Their other

803
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: corners always hurt. Like it is, it is bare bare

804
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: bones on its defense, and they're gonna be really bad

805
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: and they know it and they don't really care. It's

806
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: kind of just like a tanking year. So I don't

807
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: mind going out under on Arizona. Whatever it is.

808
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: Five and a half, five and a half for Arizona.

809
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: Yet, Yeah, I think that there, this is the This

810
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: is gonna be between with the fewest wins in the NFL,

811
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: even though they're in the NFC and they're in this division.

812
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be bad, bad, and I think

813
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: they're only gonna get worse from between now and then

814
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: by the time the season starts, like they're just gonna

815
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: try to get younger. They're gonna try to stockpile picks.

816
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: But I think Baker's gone. I don't think Hopkins is

817
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: gonna be around. I think Murray's gonna be out longer

818
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: than the market assumes. So I'm just really low on

819
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: Arizona here. I know it's a super low number in

820
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: the NFC when you have like and there's winnable games

821
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: with the schedule because you're in the NFC, But I

822
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: think they'll end up with like four or five max.

823
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: Don't mind that under I think the Niners are a

824
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: little overvalued, but I don't know exactly know how I

825
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: want to attack them other than like, okay, you got

826
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: the Niners and Eagles at the top here. If you

827
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: want to take a shot and another team, they have

828
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: to see some of the teams that we mentioned. That's

829
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: maybe how you indirectly do it. Why what are your

830
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 2: thoughts here?

831
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: I think the Seahawks are are a team that you

832
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: can attack the Niners within in the division. You know,

833
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: I actually don't think they peaked because if you look

834
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: at Seattle, they still got the receivers on the outside

835
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 3: in Metcalfe and Lockett, they still got on the other side,

836
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: they still got Digs and Adams. Back at you know,

837
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: at the safety position, Wagner somehow still playing at a

838
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: high level.

839
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: But the rookie corners that flashed that, That's what.

840
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: I was about to say.

841
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: You have got like Tarik Wooling was already a stud

842
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: and he could get better Jackson and Bryant as well,

843
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 3: and you also have you know, cross at tackle. Year

844
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: two tends to be when these guys make a jump.

845
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: Remember like Andrew Thomas was like year one, and then

846
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: Abe Lucas was actually pretty solid already in year one.

847
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: So like you could have you could suddenly have like

848
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: two premiere bookend tackles, Premiere cornerbacks, premiere safeties, premier receivers.

849
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is a stud of a running back. You know,

850
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: I love what they're.

851
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: Doing with the roster. My question is can you expect

852
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: Gino to duplicate what he did? That's what it comes

853
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: down to. So if he falls off, then it doesn't

854
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: really matter the upgrades on the rest of the roster,

855
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: because you know your quarterback is going off.

856
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: You know what, I think Gina reminds me of, especially

857
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: because Pete Carroll's a pretty good coach.

858
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Eight four and one to the over on his win total.

859
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: I think Gina reminds me a little of tanehim in

860
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: terms of I don't think he's gonna ever like fall

861
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: off back to like Jets Gino or or something like that.

862
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna give you solid play. And you know,

863
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: I mentioned all of the like what they have around him.

864
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason he was able

865
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: to do what he did even last year. I mean,

866
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: you give him two stud receivers. You give him two

867
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Speaker 3: you know, young tackles that could potentially be studs in

868
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Speaker 3: the future. You give him a bunch of good tight ends,

869
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: a good running back, a good coach, a defense.

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00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: That creates turnovers.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think Geno Cannon, like we've seen

872
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: this with the Niners, Shanahan has never gone over the

873
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: win total two years in a row. They always seem

874
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: to have something go go wrong for them just when

875
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 3: they're sitting, you know, just when it's looking like they're,

876
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: you know, the cream of the crop. And we, I

877
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: mean we kind of started to see it in the

878
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: playoffs last year, obviously, but eleven and a half is

879
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: so high, and they're they're kind of looking like, you know,

880
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: they're listed as somewhat prohibited favorites minus one seventy. So yeah,

881
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: I think the Seahawks are the only I mean, really,

882
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, the Cardinals are going to be crap,

883
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: and I think the Rams just lost too much, like

884
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: Ramsey tailor Wrap, just too many guys for me.

885
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: Then.

886
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

887
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 3: So, and by the way, Seattle the second most draft

888
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: capital when you combine the value of all of their picks,

889
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: So this is another team that we are We're already

890
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: raving about their roster now. It could look even better

891
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks after the In a week

892
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 3: or so after this draft, they got the number five

893
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: to twenty, the thirty seven, the fifty two, the eighty three,

894
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: and then the one to twenty three. So they got

895
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: four picks in the top fifty two, five in the

896
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: top eighty three. Uh, and then another handful of picks

897
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: in Day three. So yeah, I really like Seattle. I

898
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: think Seattle win one of those teams. Their win total

899
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 3: right now is eight and a half. One of those

900
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: teams that I could see their win total jumping up

901
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: to nine by the time the regular season comes around.

902
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: So Seattle is a team that I'm investing in.

903
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, I You're gonna fait this Diners teams

904
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: I think is a title valued. That's the only answer.

905
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: I can't make a case for the Rams and certainly

906
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: not the Cardinals.

907
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you.

908
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: Think regarding the Rams because their wins total is seven

909
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: and a half that I know, we were low on

910
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: the Cardinals and we think they might be like a

911
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: two to three win team, but in seven and a

912
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: half it is juice to the under. But isn't that

913
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: high for the Rams? I mean, I know, I think

914
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: the Rams are a notch below even teams like the Falcons, Bears,

915
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: and Panthers at this point.

916
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I didn't break down. Let me see

917
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: who Let me look at their schedule like.

918
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: I got in front of me. So their home games.

919
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: They have a bunch of easy, well, I guess not

920
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: necessarily Philly.

921
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: New Orleans, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Washington at home, that's not that

922
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: easy when you add in San Francisco and Seattle, and

923
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: then on the road they got the Bengals, the Cowboys,

924
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Giants, the Packers, and the Colts.

925
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: It's not terribly easy.

926
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably will come in whenever find I'll probably

927
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: come in a little lower, like around six eight six nine.

928
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, about six eight six nine.

929
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would probably lean under there.

930
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: And not much draft capital either.

931
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: For the Ring I have no draft capital, and yeah,

932
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: so yeah I would, I would lean under that. So yeah,

933
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: if we're a little lower on the Rams and the

934
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: Cardinals and Niners, that does leave Seattle has a logical choice.

935
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: And I think elsewhere you made the case of the Falcons,

936
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm on board there, and then in the NFC North

937
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: it's you made the case of the Bears. I did

938
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: so for the Packers, and then I think we're also

939
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: on the same page that, like, just as a broad

940
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: statement in the NFC, like the Eagles and Niners are

941
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 2: you know, clearly in that discussion of like, hey, look,

942
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: we're the teams that most people are going to say

943
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: pick to get to the Super Bowl. But I think

944
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: as a result, if you want to indirectly fade them,

945
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: I think the Seattle case makes sense. But I think

946
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: just in the NFC, outside of those bottom bottom feeders,

947
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: if you really like a team, if you like if

948
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: you think they're they're also going to hit in the draft,

949
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: if you like what they did in the offseason, and

950
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: take a shot. The FC is worth taking a shot on,

951
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: especially just to win the conference. It's that wide open

952
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: and a team that could that just sneaks in as

953
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: a wild card can win two to three games and

954
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: get to the super Bowl in this conference. Yeah, I

955
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: think we're on the same page for the most part.

956
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: And then except Bears Bears versus Packers, that'll be right.

957
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and don't get me wrong, I think you're

958
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be invested in in both of

959
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: the Bears and the Packers.

960
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: My point, yeah, I want to fade. I want to

961
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: fade you know, Minnesota, and I want to fade Detroit

962
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: just because I think the end of the public's kind

963
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: of caught on to them.

964
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: But I think it's a wide open division.

965
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you make a good case to Seattle's so. Like.

966
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: I also think Arizona, I mean, who knows what the Rams.

967
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: The Rams could trade like Stafford right.

968
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: Like exactly, Yeah, yeah, they can buy them out too.

969
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: I think Arizona's gonna trade guy like they get why

970
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: are you at why is Hopkins still on the team,

971
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: Why is budda baker who's publicly requesting a trade? You're starting? Oh,

972
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: so I think that Seattle And then we mentioned Seattle's

973
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: draft capital, So that's a price that could get that

974
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: I think right now is probably the best you're going

975
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: to get. And then the same thing with the Falcons.

976
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: The Falcons also have the potential like looming out there

977
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: of Lamar Jackson or a big quarterback move, and we

978
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: like what they did in a lot of other places.

979
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, even with Heineke, I think that their rush

980
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: based offense and the Saints are a little overvalued. So yeah,

981
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the same page with the NFC.

982
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: And then of course later this summer we will have

983
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: more in depth NFL betting stuff as always, once we

984
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: have the schedules and post draft and free agency and

985
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. But this was nice to what

986
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