WEBVTT - Guadalupe Mountains National Park Almost Killed Me

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<v Speaker 1>Not to be overly dramatic or anything, but Guadal of

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<v Speaker 1>Queen Mountains National Park tried to kill me. It did

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<v Speaker 1>not try to kill you, come on, yes it did.

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<v Speaker 1>And after seeing my life flash before my eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>that El Capitan trail, I have no doubt that this

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<v Speaker 1>park wants to end me. I felt deceived, I felt attacked,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt used. Of all the trails I've done

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<v Speaker 1>at Guada Queen Mountains, and I've done a bunch at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, in fact, I think this is the park

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<v Speaker 1>that I've done more hiking and more trails than any

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<v Speaker 1>other park over the course of my two visits here.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that the El Capitan trail was the

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<v Speaker 1>least assuming I thought it was going to be easy. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's marked as moderate in every guide book and every

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<v Speaker 1>visitor guide, and even the trailhead categorizes it as moderate

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<v Speaker 1>since it's allegedly and mostly flat trail that goes out

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<v Speaker 1>on the base of this giant mountain looking rock face

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<v Speaker 1>known as Al Kabitan, just like the one in Usebity.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of um, but I'm going to need to have

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<v Speaker 1>a serious discussion with someone about this, because five thousand

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<v Speaker 1>feet of elevation game several unending miles, seemingly and hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>force winds are not my idea of moderate by any means.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a really windy day though, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>RV was getting pretty high gust of winds throughout it,

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<v Speaker 1>like the whole evening, I mean, and into the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>They continue to wake us up multiple times. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>glad I didn't do this trail. But I'm Brad and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Matt, and we sold our loft in Chicago and

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<v Speaker 1>gave up our study dwelling existence to live in an

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<v Speaker 1>RV in travel the country full time, just dozen our

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<v Speaker 1>dog Finn. And today we're talking about Guadalupe Mountains National

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<v Speaker 1>Park in Texas. Thanks for listening. Trails. Yeah, So this

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<v Speaker 1>trail starts by the main visitors center. They're a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of trailheads there, and it goes out pretty far into

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<v Speaker 1>the desert, seemingly like it's going to be flat and

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<v Speaker 1>pretty level, But then it starts to steadily rise and

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<v Speaker 1>dip in elevation as that passes in and out of

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<v Speaker 1>these little canyon pockets, and it's inching like increasingly closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Al Capitan, which initially when you're starting it it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of way off in the distance, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>miles progress and it gets closer and closer and larger

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<v Speaker 1>and larger, which is great and beautiful and would all

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<v Speaker 1>be well and good if it wasn't such a miserably

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<v Speaker 1>windy day today, I remember was particularly intense, and earlier

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<v Speaker 1>that morning though I had done the Premian Reef trail,

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<v Speaker 1>which is marked as strenuous, and that seemed like it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty fine to me, so I didn't really think

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<v Speaker 1>anything of doing this. I thought it would be easy

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<v Speaker 1>in comparison, but I guess I was dead wrong. But

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<v Speaker 1>being I think the fact that it's kind of such

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<v Speaker 1>open desert terrain with no tree cover mountain sides to

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<v Speaker 1>shield me or deflect the wind, I was getting pelted

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<v Speaker 1>really hard, like head on and see like it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like no matter what direction I was going, the wind

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<v Speaker 1>was hitting me dead on and going against me, which

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<v Speaker 1>was so frustrating and just sucked the energy out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it reached a point where I was starting to

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<v Speaker 1>like scream into the wind as loud as like it

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<v Speaker 1>because no one else was around. The wind was so

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<v Speaker 1>loud that it was stifling. As I've told everyone before,

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<v Speaker 1>I married a psycho, but at least your my cyco. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would definitely have a like having a psychotic moment

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the desert, um swearing into the wind

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<v Speaker 1>as if that would help um. But don't don't get

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong with the views were spectacular, especially as the

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<v Speaker 1>trail winds along the base of this gigantic rock face.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing looms so large, jutting directly up out of

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<v Speaker 1>the desert floor like a massive sheer cliff. The train

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<v Speaker 1>is mostly dry sand and rocks, but it's all dotted

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<v Speaker 1>with small greenery like little cacti and shrubs and these

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<v Speaker 1>spiky looking mescal plans. I love me some scale same

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<v Speaker 1>that that made things worse because while I was out,

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<v Speaker 1>they're suffering. It just made me thirsty for Mescow cocktails,

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<v Speaker 1>which were hard to find when like the mes coloring

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<v Speaker 1>people were there, like yeah, the Native Americans, Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get it. Yeah, the visitor center should serve Mescow cocktails.

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<v Speaker 1>That would really help me out. I needed a drink

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<v Speaker 1>after this trail, let me tell you. But the like

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<v Speaker 1>all beautiful, all stunning. Unfortunately, the beauty was mostly lost

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<v Speaker 1>in me since the wind was hitting me so hard

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<v Speaker 1>that it was basically punching the glasses right off my

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<v Speaker 1>face and pulling tears out of my eyes. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't pulling tears crying, but tears were like flying out

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<v Speaker 1>of my eyes. What is this metal in your magneto?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. Yeah, it was an experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>so that's happening as the trail is getting rockier and

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<v Speaker 1>rockier and more jagged and sharp, and I literally just

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<v Speaker 1>kept getting knocked to the ground and against the side

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<v Speaker 1>like a rag doll being thrashed in a storm. It

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<v Speaker 1>was crazy. I was waiting out of my almon a

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<v Speaker 1>little rack down. This is not even the worst of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The worst was when the trail reaches a pinnacle at

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<v Speaker 1>this overlook um like cliff edge. There were like sand

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<v Speaker 1>dunes of the distance. So it's on a nice day

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<v Speaker 1>when the wind is docile, I'm sure it's beautiful and peaceful,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was so horrifyingly windy here at this point

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<v Speaker 1>that I had to pretty much get into a sprint

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<v Speaker 1>in order to even inch myself forward. It was so strong,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was beyond exhausted at this point. As I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like looping around this trail curves back towards El Capitan,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's getting narrower to make things worse, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to like crawl or duck down and like inched

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<v Speaker 1>my way along the trail because I was too scared

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<v Speaker 1>if I was standing up, I was afraid I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to get knocked into the canyon below, like off

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<v Speaker 1>the cliff. I just really wish I was there, because

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<v Speaker 1>if I was there, I feel like it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a different story. I feel like matizing this, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It got so bad. I was just screaming

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<v Speaker 1>and crying against my will, and I was It got

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where, like I was, El Capitan personified

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<v Speaker 1>my problems and I would blame it for what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening to me in the wind and feeling like I

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<v Speaker 1>was being destroyed, and I really felt betrayed by El Capitan.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was trying to It didn't want me

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<v Speaker 1>hiking this trail. You're just mad that El Capitan made you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it definitely put me in my place, which

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<v Speaker 1>apparently is pretty low. But eventually, I, after what seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like forever, I rounded the kind of narrow, nightmare portion

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<v Speaker 1>of the trail and things started to calm down and

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bit now that I have several cuts

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<v Speaker 1>and wounds from being thrown against the rocks. You really did?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually, I'm like prove it, and he did, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there was legit scrape scraps, and yeah, some of my

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<v Speaker 1>clothes were cut, Like I got hit. I hit the

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<v Speaker 1>rocks enough for my clothes to get torn. It's crazy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So the wind kind of persisted for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>my hig back to the trailhood, because of course it did,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't nearly as bad as like this horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying moment. And when I finally finished this safely shut

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<v Speaker 1>away in our rental car, my legs were jiggling like

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<v Speaker 1>jello and my heart was pumping, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>felt like my whole body had been like just thoroughly

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<v Speaker 1>electricated or something. Yeah. But let's just yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>not moderate by any means. I can't. I'm like appalled

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<v Speaker 1>that any guide booker trail head rates that as moderate

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<v Speaker 1>even without the wind. That's an insane amount of like

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<v Speaker 1>elevation gain and distance. It's it's crazy. Yeah, Normally they're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty like overrating things, and this one was definitely underrated.

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<v Speaker 1>This was way off, of course, I'll copa on a side.

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<v Speaker 1>Guadala Mountains National Park isn't all nightmarish winds and near

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<v Speaker 1>death experiences. Fortunately, this West Texas park is is mostly

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<v Speaker 1>a paradise for hikers and rock levers as in geology,

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<v Speaker 1>not like genre music. Rockers can love it too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just bringing like your headphones, I guess, um, but because

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to mute up my Yeah yeah sure, um

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, but the thing that makes this so appealing

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<v Speaker 1>for hikers is Guada Mountains has the tallest peaks in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Texas, it has gypsum sand dunes, it

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<v Speaker 1>has tons of human history, and also most fascinatingly, the

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<v Speaker 1>largest exposed premian reef in the world. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>something to chew on. Um. There's a lot to do

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<v Speaker 1>and see and learn in Guadape Mountains. And as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you don't foolishly ventured into the into the park

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<v Speaker 1>and when the forecast looks like a scene from the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Twister, like I stupidly did, we'll have a great time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. For us, like Guadala Bay Mountains was actually

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<v Speaker 1>like a two part of trip since we had the

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<v Speaker 1>RV park at the campsite nearest Carlsbad Cavern, which is

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<v Speaker 1>about forty minutes away. But after a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>of exploring the caves, we got to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time in Guadalupe National Park. There's just a whole

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<v Speaker 1>new set of activities to do, especially the hiking, the

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<v Speaker 1>part that has a lot of great hiking trails, ranging

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<v Speaker 1>from difficult and lengthy, too easy half mile strolls by

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<v Speaker 1>a Spring to the hardcore eleven mile trails of that

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<v Speaker 1>vengevil Cap. I'll cuple ten. I can't even talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to see a captan for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of my life. I can't wait to go

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<v Speaker 1>back now. But like, yeah, like you said, like Guadaly

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<v Speaker 1>Mountains is so close to Carlled Pod Caverns. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great one to punch and to do both parts. And

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<v Speaker 1>they're about so different for as close as they are,

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<v Speaker 1>dear graphically, their their world's apart. And that's phenomenal, phenomenal

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<v Speaker 1>and so cool. When I first visited Galpe Mountains, it

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<v Speaker 1>was by myself. I was doing a little solo like

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<v Speaker 1>three day road trip down from Albuquerque, which so we

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<v Speaker 1>were in Albuquerque, you were selling um Britain's naple Wood

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<v Speaker 1>Farm Maple Syrup at the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the time when you decided to um freak

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<v Speaker 1>out on me because we had to curb those plans

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<v Speaker 1>to go to another event. Um. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>stressful to plan this, but it worked out and we

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<v Speaker 1>became a great team because of that. Yeah, it worked

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<v Speaker 1>out great. I was clearly hankering for some hiking, so

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<v Speaker 1>as long as I had access to it, I was

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<v Speaker 1>very very happy. And so what we decided to do

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<v Speaker 1>was just me kind of go off my own for

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<v Speaker 1>a few days, rent a car, drive down to Gutally Mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just a few hours south of Albuquerque. We

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<v Speaker 1>got this key little airbnb in in Carl's Bad and

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<v Speaker 1>so drivable and close, and then I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>do some trails here, including the park's crown jewel and

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites, Guadalupe Peak its namesake. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the highest peak in the park and all of Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty big feat Texas, and yeah Texas is big, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the biggest mountain in Texas. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's eight thousand, seven hundred forty nine feet tall. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not huge compared to like a lot of Western mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in states like Colorado and California, but still very

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<v Speaker 1>impressive and quite strenuous to do, especially since the trail

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<v Speaker 1>is really steep and it's about nine miles round trip.

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<v Speaker 1>But even that being said, this was a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>cake compared to a Capitan, which all never let go

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<v Speaker 1>um Guada peak. The trail starts from like the same

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<v Speaker 1>trail hud areas al Capitan, and it starts out pretty steep.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first couple of miles especially, there are some

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<v Speaker 1>serious switch back x that account for a majority of

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<v Speaker 1>the elevation gain on this trail. Switch back just like

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<v Speaker 1>ruin me because they're kind of defeating, yeah, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I could just go straight up like like a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain goat. Yeah, like a mountain goat. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So these switchbacks kind of zig and zag off the

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<v Speaker 1>mountainside and it's definitely rough, but the views of the

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<v Speaker 1>valley below are amazing, and there are a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>points where you can see this sweeping panorama up the desert,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole like Chwoman desert out there, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it's kind of flat once you're out of the

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<v Speaker 1>national park, so you can see for quite a ways

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes for a great view and it's also

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a motivating factor to like, oh, I can

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<v Speaker 1>do this. It's it's great, it's beautiful. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the tail kind of rounds them into the

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<v Speaker 1>park around the mountain into a tranquil forests setting, which

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<v Speaker 1>was surprising and also very welcome reprieve and a break

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the shape aid and cool off for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, also get off those awful switch backs. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you reach the section that feels like you're almost

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<v Speaker 1>at the top or like you're about to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the end, and then just kidding, no, you still have

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<v Speaker 1>a long way to go, and it's very yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very deceiving. Yeah, it turns out. I think that area

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<v Speaker 1>is just like there's a backcountry campground up there, and

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<v Speaker 1>as you're getting towards the campground, it feels like you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting to the top, and then it sucks you out

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to go around the mountain face again

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a whole another section which isn't too bad

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<v Speaker 1>because it's it's not as steep as the initial parts,

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as you can get over the first

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<v Speaker 1>I would say two miles. Then you're mostly in the

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<v Speaker 1>clear as long as you have like the stamina in

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<v Speaker 1>time and water. Of course, it's the last stretch of

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<v Speaker 1>Gladoue Peak that gets pretty hands on. There's some scrambling,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some rocks. Mountain, Yeah, like a mountain goat exactly

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<v Speaker 1>and well worth the effort because you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>top and there's this triangle shaped marker signaling the highest

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<v Speaker 1>point in Texas. And it's a very it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>rewarding experience if you feel like, oh, I really made it,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did this, and it's it's great. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I can relax now and sit down and rest

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<v Speaker 1>my legs and have my little tuna salve bunch kit

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<v Speaker 1>at this point of eating tuna salve in the weirdest places,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, yeah, I think you have. I love

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<v Speaker 1>those things. We're going to hear more about other trails

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<v Speaker 1>after the short break. Hi, I'm Brad and I'm Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to park Landia today. We're talking about

0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Guadalupe Mountains National Park and we're gonna go on our

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<v Speaker 1>next trail, which is a little less insane than Matt's

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<v Speaker 1>over dramatic story of al Capatan and then some others

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<v Speaker 1>that was completely accurate my description. No it was not. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was. I wasn't there. But we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about McKittrick Canyon Trail. We did this one together, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a much more level trail, you know, something that

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually like probably run up if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I loved how it just went along the mountain

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<v Speaker 1>side and there's this beautiful stream in the park. We

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<v Speaker 1>even had to tiptoe across some rocks a few times

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<v Speaker 1>to cross the stream. The trail was really lovely and peaceful,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you get out of the direct sunlight into

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<v Speaker 1>the shade of the canyons. Maple trees, these ones you're

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<v Speaker 1>not able to tap, you know, that's only grown and

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<v Speaker 1>like pretty much the northeast, But if I could, I

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<v Speaker 1>would because that's how beautiful these trees were. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there was just so full of foliage and altogether I

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<v Speaker 1>guess this was only about five miles round trip, and

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<v Speaker 1>it takes you to this historic Pratt Lodge Um named

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<v Speaker 1>after Walter Pratt when who was a geologist with the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of gold. Yes, when an angel. Yes, we all

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<v Speaker 1>lost for Mr Pratt Um he and his family owned

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<v Speaker 1>about six thousand acres of land here in the canyon,

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<v Speaker 1>and because they loved it so much as a suburb destination,

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<v Speaker 1>they even built a cabin there which you are able

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<v Speaker 1>to go and see to this day. Um, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>go inside of it, but it is a beautiful place

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<v Speaker 1>for a nitiaded picnic. Yeah, great spot for tuna stala

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<v Speaker 1>my family. Yeah, come on every spot. You're just obsessed again,

0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:36.800
<v Speaker 1>You're obsessive and I love that about you. Yeah. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, Walter Pratt, he eventually donated this private land

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<v Speaker 1>to the government, allowing it to form Guadalupe Mountains National Park,

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<v Speaker 1>and today mckitcher Canyon is one of the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>destinations here. Thanks Walter. I know, seriously, but this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the first person to discover the mountains by

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<v Speaker 1>any means. No, no, no, definitely not. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of humans that lived here for over ten thousand years. Um,

0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.720
<v Speaker 1>there were definitely ancient hunter gatherers who left behind things

0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:10.439
<v Speaker 1>like rock art and pottery creations. The area's main occupation

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<v Speaker 1>was by the Mescalero Apache people. They eventually end up

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<v Speaker 1>retreating into the mountains because of the settlers who were expanding. UM. Sadly,

0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.400
<v Speaker 1>we've all learned that this kind of invasion before has

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<v Speaker 1>happened over and over and over again and UM. After

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<v Speaker 1>a series of conflicts between the APACHE and the soldiers,

0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:35.760
<v Speaker 1>most Native Americans were forced on the reservations. Yeah, really awful. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Settlers attempted to ranch here too at some point, but

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<v Speaker 1>the rain is just too rugged and difficult and unforgiving. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that they did managed to accomplish was build

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<v Speaker 1>uh structure called free Hole a ranch. They did this

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy six. It's served as a residence and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually as a community center and even a post office today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just as all museum with ranching history, and it

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<v Speaker 1>serves as the entry point to a couple of the

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<v Speaker 1>park's easiest trails, which go to Smith Spring and Mansonita Spring.

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<v Speaker 1>Both are lovely. Yeah. I'd actually love to talk some

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<v Speaker 1>more about the diverse terrain and trails opportunities here. There

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<v Speaker 1>was the Salt Basin Dunes. Yeah, I know this. It's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a part of the park that is very unvisited undiscovered,

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<v Speaker 1>probably because it's really out on its own and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a while to get there, but it's what It's

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<v Speaker 1>totally worth the drive. This place looks like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other planet entirely looks more like Death Valley honestly than

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway Mountains. Yeah, you have to really drive a long

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<v Speaker 1>way to get there though. I mean you have to

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<v Speaker 1>drive outside the park and then around the southern edge

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<v Speaker 1>and then back into the park from the west side. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's this like super long dirt road with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, occasual homes and trailers and little farms with

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<v Speaker 1>goats that look like demons from that movie you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the which. Yeah, I know, I remember seeing like scary

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<v Speaker 1>looking goats that I assume we're possessed by Satan. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's good to keep driving, just keep on driving. The

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<v Speaker 1>section is so far out of the way, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were the only ones there were the only car in

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<v Speaker 1>the little parking lot, which was good. It was great,

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:15.879
<v Speaker 1>and it was fun to do that and have it

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<v Speaker 1>all to ourselves. Really. It was a scorching hot day.

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<v Speaker 1>The sun was blazing. We had to spray a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of sunscreen, bring water, and then take the trail

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<v Speaker 1>into the dunes. Yeah, I mean it really wasn't much

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<v Speaker 1>of a trail really, it was like three course of

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<v Speaker 1>a mile through the desert until reach the sand, which

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<v Speaker 1>is bright white color, you know, super smooth and fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of felt like sugar. But these dunes aren't

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<v Speaker 1>really as nassive as um the one's and like the

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<v Speaker 1>great sand dunes you know, but they're shimmering and especially

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful at the mountain backdrop there. It's just a little

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<v Speaker 1>different than what I expected. Um. Yeah, very It's still

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<v Speaker 1>diverse and you can definitely see there's a lot of

0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:01.119
<v Speaker 1>wildlife and creatures. Yeah, the views were extraordinary and very

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<v Speaker 1>unique compared to especially compared to anything else in the park.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was that was fun. And we got to

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<v Speaker 1>see jack rabbits, runners, road runners, very exciting. Yeah, some

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<v Speaker 1>serious cartoon like wildlife out there in the sand dunes. History.

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<v Speaker 1>We should talk about the highest peak in Texas some more,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of human history here. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating to mention the fact that most of the park

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a gigantic fossilized reef. Yeah, it's actually the

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<v Speaker 1>largest permian what's called a permian reef in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the biggest and on Earth. Actually, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to imagine that what's now a does for

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<v Speaker 1>environment being a tropical reef millions and millions of years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But this part of Texas used to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>a shallow sea and the heart of it was this

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<v Speaker 1>enormous reef filled with shells and spun is and all

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<v Speaker 1>that coral goodness. But now that the world has changed

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<v Speaker 1>and continents have moved around and things have dried up,

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.959
<v Speaker 1>all of this reef, all this ancient reef is now

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<v Speaker 1>exposed in this desert climate, and a lot of trails

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<v Speaker 1>you can see the how the rock walls look dried

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<v Speaker 1>up with the coral reef, and how some of the

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<v Speaker 1>rocks you're stepping on are actually crushed remnants of the

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<v Speaker 1>same reef. Yeah, I know, it's it's crazy, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>especially noticeable on trails like the Premian Reef which I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier. You can also pick up an audio guide

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<v Speaker 1>from the visitor center for free, and as you're walking

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<v Speaker 1>along the trail, it will point out specific things on

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<v Speaker 1>the route, telling you more about what the environment was

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<v Speaker 1>like way back when when it was underwater, and highlighting

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<v Speaker 1>the different reef portions with to the untrained I or

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<v Speaker 1>if you're just kind of glancing over it, you would

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<v Speaker 1>never you would not necessarily know it. You would think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a rock face. Or it's definitely good to

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<v Speaker 1>like look at all those before going on your hikes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. And you can also another opportunity, you

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<v Speaker 1>can get a real good reef you vibe at the

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<v Speaker 1>grotto section at the end of the McKittrick Canyon trail.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an additional couple of miles past the prow Lodge

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<v Speaker 1>where we were, But I would say you should definitely

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<v Speaker 1>do it, especially if you want to immerse yourself more

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in this like reef environment. This reef setting extra. Yeah,

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it definitely is. It's not that hard either. It's flat

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it's shaded. And the grotto, this section,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets its name not only from just how many

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<v Speaker 1>of these lash shady trees there are, but also the

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<v Speaker 1>this cave like reef wall that covers a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really tranquil, really unique, and it has these hillar

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<v Speaker 1>like reef structures that dangle from the roof like stalactites.

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<v Speaker 1>They're huge, they're kind of spiky and a little sharp,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't like slam yourself against it, I guess, but

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<v Speaker 1>why would you do that? And yeah, the grotto is

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<v Speaker 1>a really lovely place to sit down, relax and have

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<v Speaker 1>a have a nice little picnic with my favorite food,

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<v Speaker 1>tuna salad. You really like tuna salad. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>go to my favorite segment of the day, we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take a quick break. Hi, I'm Bred and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Matt. You're listening to park Landia. It's that time

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<v Speaker 1>again where we get to do one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>segments of the podcast. My favorite, Matt, what was your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite thing to do at Guadalupe Mountains National Park in

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<v Speaker 1>West Texas. Well, you could probably guess what my least

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<v Speaker 1>favorite part was, and that's the damn Yeah, that's for

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<v Speaker 1>sure not my favorite. Um, I would say that my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite was the time that I summited Guadalupe Peak and

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<v Speaker 1>my first time here. It was super strenuous. Well it

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<v Speaker 1>was strenuous, hiresome, but I also just felt such a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of accomplishment doing that. This was at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the hardest and longest trails I had done.

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<v Speaker 1>This was when I was really getting into more hardcore

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 1>hiking and pushing myself and challenging myself, and I just

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:14.880
<v Speaker 1>felt really accomplished and really strong when I was able

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 1>to finish that. And also the views were just fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>and it was neat to be able to say that

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<v Speaker 1>I've done to the top of Texas. So thoroughly loved that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is actually a really cool feat to have. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>mine though, was probably definitely probably definitely okay with that,

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<v Speaker 1>probably definitely Pratt Lodge, I just loved it. I mean,

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you could just sit under those trees as that are

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<v Speaker 1>like swishing back and forth, and if I had my hammock,

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I would literally have been in heaven. And I guess

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 1>that would be my first thing is hammock and a

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<v Speaker 1>full picnic lunch for Pratt Lodge. Um, you know, I

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>think that this was great. And here we go with

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the reacquirming thing of water because it's just Texas. It's

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<v Speaker 1>dry and there's a lot of sun. There's not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of shade, so you definitely need water. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I would definitely bring sunglasses because there's there's a reflection

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<v Speaker 1>from the water as you're walking through. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>sun of course, yeah, right, that's important for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that three things I would bring would be a

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<v Speaker 1>windbreaker probably, I mean concerning what I endured, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that what makes sense. Preferably a windbreaker that could also

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>shield me when I'm being heaved against jagged rock would

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<v Speaker 1>be ideal and really helpful. I would also bring I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a queen. Yeah, no spot on um. I would also

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<v Speaker 1>bring prescription sunglasses. It gets super bright and I needed

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to use I have transitional lenses, so I have there

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<v Speaker 1>are these gigantic, obnoxious sized glasses that will dark and

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<v Speaker 1>intent when it's in the sun, so it's just so

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<v Speaker 1>much fun. They're really detective and good, and I wore

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<v Speaker 1>them a lot when I was in Glope Mountains because

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the desert and everything is so exposed and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not very often that you have a sufficient tree cover.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the third thing I would bring, which you

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<v Speaker 1>could probably guess, is my favorite lunch item, and for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, I I ate this everywhere in Glope Mountains

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<v Speaker 1>is my favorite little tuna salad lunch packets. I've eaten

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<v Speaker 1>them all over at this point in this park. I've

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<v Speaker 1>eating them in the Grotto Peak and I'm never allow

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too much. Yeah. And also, speaking of snacky

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<v Speaker 1>things that I love, I wanted to give a special

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Taos Mountain Bars, which we discovered at

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<v Speaker 1>the Pine Springs visitors Center. Here a glope Mountains so good,

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<v Speaker 1>such a great surprise. They are literally the best. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the park doesn't have any restaurants or cafe or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were in there do I pick up um

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<v Speaker 1>probably a visitor guide look for like items to buy souvenirs,

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<v Speaker 1>and the visitor center had this little cool They're stocked

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<v Speaker 1>with these amazing locally made energy bars made just over

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<v Speaker 1>the New Mexico border, and it's a small company. They

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<v Speaker 1>use high quality ingredients to make these delicious bars. And

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<v Speaker 1>the one I had was Amanda gave I think and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a game changer for me as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>thought of energy bars and granola bars and stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty much ruined on other energy bars I think

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<v Speaker 1>can live up to it. And ever since then, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been like stalking up on them at ari I stories

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so between. Yeah, definitely, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to wrap this up with our dream vacation

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<v Speaker 1>and what it would be. Yeah. Well, honestly, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>happy just come here and emerge without being bruised and bloody.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a dream to me. I'll take that.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerome a queen. But really though, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be amazing to come here in the fall to

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<v Speaker 1>see all the foliage. I know, I know, seriously, so bright,

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<v Speaker 1>so vivid. I think when most people think of foliage

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<v Speaker 1>they think of like New England settings, which is great,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were actually really studying maple trees in colors here,

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<v Speaker 1>especially along all along like ke Hitch your canyon area,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially in October when things really really really brighten. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the temperature is definitely more comfortable at that time

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<v Speaker 1>of the year as well. Yeah, totally. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it would also be really fun to stay inside the

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<v Speaker 1>park with o URV. There are a bunch of r

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<v Speaker 1>V sites at the Pine Springs area by the visitor center,

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<v Speaker 1>and surprisingly this area had good WiFi service. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>like sitting in the parking lot and being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can actually access internet, so we could do this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually right. That's because that's a big struggle that

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<v Speaker 1>we have, is the internet service. I know, big struggle

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<v Speaker 1>and probably one of the reasons that we didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>consider camping here because we assumed it would be not possible,

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<v Speaker 1>but good to know for the future, and also conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>close to a variety of trailheads and Taos Mountain bars

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<v Speaker 1>us of course, of course, So in addition to those

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<v Speaker 1>things those aspects, I think it would also be fun

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<v Speaker 1>to camp here because we could star gaze at night.

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<v Speaker 1>It's perfect for that. We're far, far removed from any

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<v Speaker 1>city lights, so we could just gawka the leaves by

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<v Speaker 1>day and then by night to stare at the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>And how lovely does that sound? It sounds really lovely. Yeah,

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