1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Live from the Bloomberg Interact at Broker's Studios. Is Bloomberg 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: day Break for Monday, February twenty seventh. Coming up today, 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Wall Street comes off its worst week since December. Fisers 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: are portedly in talk to buy a major biotech company. 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs holds a key investor meeting this week, and 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: a new report it says a lab leakin China most 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: likely caused the COVID pandemic. Uber and lift drivers held 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: a twelve hour strike at LaGuardia Airport, plus those who 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: died in the nineteen ninety three World Trade Center attack 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: were remembered. I'm Michael barn More ahead, I'm John Stas 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: Sharon sports so much they did. Win for the Rangers, 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: shut out win for the Islanders. The next loss of 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: the Buzzer, the Nick So's the Celtics tonight. That's all 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break, The business news you 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: need disturb your day, and just one fifteen minute podcast 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: each pointing on Apple, Spotify, The Bloomberg Business Appen everywhere 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hagar and 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm kieron Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: Wall Street is coming off its worst week since December. 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: In fact, the SMP five hundred has dropped for three 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: straight weeks. Concerns over sticky US inflation are weighing on 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: sentiment as traders reassess FED policy. We spoke exclusively with 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: International Monetary Fund Managing Director Kristallina Georgieva late yesterday. I 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: want to be clear, we are not yet seeing inflation 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: going down to target fast enough, so central banks need 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: to stay the course until we are comfortable that price 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: stability is returning. I am F Managing Director Krystallina Georgieva 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: made the comments in an interview with Bloomberg at the 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: G twenty Finance Ministers meetings in India. Will turning to 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: corporate news now, Nathan. We may be closing in on 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: a big pharma deal. According to The Wall Street Journal, 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Fiser as an early stage talks to buy Cjen. The 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: deal order reportedly commanded prem above the company's thirty billion 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: dollar market value. Cgen develops drugs to treat cancer and 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: related diseases. Man Goldman Sachs has poised to make headlines 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: Karen following a forgettable twenty twenty two The bank's leaders 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: are holding their second ever investor Day this week. Let's 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: get the details live with Bloomberg. Dan Schwartzman, Good morning, Dan, 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: A good morning, Nathan and Karen. It is a big 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: week for Goldman Saks, the Wall Street firm presenting its 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: investor Day, with questions surrounding the bank's loss of almost 42 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: six billion dollars and it's failed for rent and consumer banking. 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: Executives are expected to hype up the bank's asset and 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: wealth management business, known as AWM, with its two and 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: a half trillion dollars in assets. Last year, profits at 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: Goldman fell by half, which led to some questioning the 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: standing of CEO David Solomon within the bank. Live in 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: New York, Dan Schwartzman, Bloomberg Daybreak. All right, Dan, thanks, 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: So we have word of more job cuts at Twitter. 50 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News has learned the social media company laid off 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: more workers over the weekend. Sources say the layoffs hit 52 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: employees on teams across the company, including engineering and product. 53 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: This comes on the heels of Elon Musk cutting more 54 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: than thirty seven one hundred jobs last year, about half 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: of the company's workforce. On Wall Street this week Karen 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: will have plenty of earnings reports to digest, including a 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: slew of retail results, So we get a preview from 58 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Charlie Pellet. We'll be hearing from Costco, home improvement retailer, Low's, 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Kroger Ross Stores, and Dollar Tree. The reports come amid 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: accelerating inflation and more pressure on the Federal Reserve to 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: keep rates higher for longer. Kate Moore's head of thematic 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: strategy at black Rock Financial. What I've been really encouraged 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: with is how honest the guidance was during reporting fourth quarter. 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: You didn't get a lot of companies kind of sugarcoating 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: the experience and really speaking to investors in a way 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: that encourage them that they were going to continue to 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: trim costs on the margins. They were going to focus 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: on smart growth, not growth at any cost. Also reporting 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: this week, several tech companies including Agulant, Broncom, Dell, HP, 70 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: and VMware in New York. Charlie Pellet, Bloomberg Daybreak. All right, Charlie, 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: thank you well. Over the weekend, we got earning from 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Berkshire Hathaway. We'ren Buffett's Conglomerate reported weaker results and some 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: of its key businesses, underscoring fears the US economy is 74 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: facing a bumpy road ahead. At the same time, Buffett 75 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: reminded investors to keep the faith in the US economy. 76 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: He also tauted Berkshire's record operating earnings of thirty point 77 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars for the year. We now turned to 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: a developing story involving the pandemic. An intelligence report by 79 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: the Energy Department has reportedly identified a Chinese lab leak 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: as the most likely origin of COVID nineteen. According to 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal, the conclusion was reached due to 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: new intelligence, though the judgment was made with quote low confidence. 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Z Baxter has the details. This is reported to 84 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: be a classified document at one of several but the 85 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: report says the Energy Department believes it was due to 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: a mishap at a biological lab. National Security advisor Jake 87 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: Sullivan on CNN says this is part of an ongoing investigation. 88 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: The reference to the Department of Energy. President Biden specifically 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: request that the National Labs, which are part of the 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: Department of Energy, be brought into this assessment because he 91 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: wants to put every tool at use, Sullivan says key 92 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: members of Congress will be involved in the loop of 93 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: all investigations. In San Francisco, I'm at Baxter Bloomberg Daybreak, 94 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: All right and thanks well Over in India today, the 95 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: world's top finance chiefs failed to agree on a consensus 96 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: statement at meetings due to an impasse of our language 97 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: on the war. In Ukraine, India issued a chair's summary 98 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: as opposed to a traditional Communica, Russia and China disagreed 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: with two paragraphs on the war that had been cleared 100 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: by all participants back in November. And in Europe today, 101 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Karen Brexit is back in focus. The UK and EU 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: are preparing to unveil a post Brexit settlement on Northern Ireland. 103 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: Let's go to London and get the latest live with 104 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's You and Pot's Good Morning, Uin, Good morning, Nathan 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: and Karen. European Commission presidents Ursula Vondeline will be in 106 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: the UK for an early afternoon meeting later today, surely 107 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: a sign that an announcement on trade is imminence. The 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: talks with the British Prime Minister will be held in Berkshire, 109 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: where the King's Windsor Castle is situated. The deal seeks 110 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: to fix an earlier agreements overtrade in Northern Ireland, seeking 111 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: to balance the demands of business, the European Union, politicians 112 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: in norther Ireland and his own lawmakers has been a 113 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: big headache for the PM in London. I'm you and 114 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: Pat Spoon back day break. It's thirty five degrees in 115 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: New York and we have winter storm warnings and effect 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: north and west of the cities. The snow rives in 117 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: New York tonight. We'll get up to near forty degrees, 118 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: could have one to three inches before we get down 119 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: to the upper thirties. Time now to take a look 120 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: at some of the other stories making news in the 121 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: city and around the world with Bloomberg's Michael Bark. Good morning, Michael, 122 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Good morning. Nathan Uber and left Driver staged a twelve 123 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: hours strike at LaGuardia Airport on Sunday as they call 124 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: for higher pay. Drivers stopped dropping off customers from noon 125 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: to midnight. Drivers are upset after Uber filed a lawsuit 126 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: to stop a planned pay raise approved by the New 127 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: York Taxi and Limousine Commission. Uber defended its decision, saying 128 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: it has already implemented raises for drivers three times since 129 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Before there was the nine eleven attack on 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center, there was the nineteen ninety three 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: terrorist attack. Yesterday, the six victims who died in that 132 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: attack were remembered. On the thirtieth anniversary ceremony was held 133 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: at the North Pool of the nine eleven Memorial and Museum. 134 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: More than one thousand people were injured when a van 135 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: loaded with explosives was detonated below the North Tower. The 136 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: list of speakers and yesterday's memorial service included New York 137 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams. There was only an American dream, and 138 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: because of that, many peoples had the tendessee to harm us. 139 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: Because of that dream, we would never allow that dream 140 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: to fail. Along with many of Adams, other speakers included 141 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: New York Governor Kathy Hokel. They may have thought they 142 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: were attacking a building. It seemed like a building was 143 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: what was the target. But they're also launched attack on 144 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: our democracy, our institutions, our symbols of success, and ultimately 145 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: the American people send it. Majority Leader Chuck Schumer was 146 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: also in attendance. Starting this morning, Full Long Island Railroad 147 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: service begins a Grand Central Medicine. The change means many 148 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: commuters in Port Washington will now have to transfer to 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: get to Penn Station. The MTA maintains there will be 150 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: a forty one percent increase in service. Saudi Arabia signed 151 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: agreements worth four hundred million dollars with Ukraine. It comes 152 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: after the Kingdom's foreign minister made a surprise visit to Kiev. 153 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: SpaceX and NASA scrubbed a rocket launch from the Kennedy 154 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Space Center in Florida shortly before left off early this morning. 155 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: We have a whole tonight due to the tea tab issues, 156 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: in other words, a ground system issue. It postponed the 157 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: mission to send US astronauts and a Russian cosmonaut to 158 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: the International Space Station. Global News twenty four hours a day, 159 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts 160 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: and over one hundred twenty trees. I'm Michae Labard. This 161 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg, Nathan, Thank you, Michael. Time now for our 162 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sports update. Bronti by Trice stayed down. Hey, Good morning, 163 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: John Stash Morney, Nathan. The knicks are hots of a 164 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: good time for a good test Celtics cover into the 165 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Garden tonight. They have got the NBA's best record forty 166 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: four and seventeen. They just had a thrilling win at Philadelphia. 167 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: The Knicks have won their last five. They're unbeaten since 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: that trade to get Josh Hart. The Milwaukee Bucks just 169 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: thea half game behind Boston. They'd won fourteen in a row, 170 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: having Lawson's January twenty first, they were without Jana's sons Decompo. 171 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: He had a wrist injury. Now it's his knee, and 172 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the Buffs still beat Phoenix. The Nets lost in Atlanta 173 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: one twenty nine, one twenty seven, a Trey Young game 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: winning shot at the Buzzer. It came just after the 175 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: Hawks hired a new coach, Quinn Snyder spent many years 176 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: with Utah. The Hawks had recently fired Nate McMillan. The 177 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Nets nine and fourteen, since they had that twelve game 178 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: winning streak when they still had Kevin Durant and Kybrie 179 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: irving Kybrie now in Dallas, the MAVs blew a twenty 180 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: seven point lead. They lost the Lakers in Portland seventy 181 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: one points for Damian Lillard and the Blazers went over 182 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: Euston Lillard made thirteen three pointers, one shy of the 183 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: NBA record at the Garden. Rangers ended that four game 184 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: losing Street five two over Los Angeleos. There was a 185 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: spitting incident. DeAndre Miller got a match penalty. Drew Downy 186 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: was the recipient. Rangers coaches Gerard Blonde. I didn't see nothing, honestly. 187 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it happened to lost, and the kids 188 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: feel bad about it, and he said it was an accident, 189 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: so that's all. But I didn't see that. I couldn't 190 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: see nothing, know Net Dowdy after the game, Islanders of 191 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: four nothing to win at Winnipeg. Rutgers with a win 192 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: at Penn State and Tampa first and in Grand Slam 193 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: for Jose Trevino Yankee seven nothing over Atlanta. Braves had 194 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: only one hit. Max Scherzer pitched in Port Saint Lucian 195 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: the Mets the NEETs. John Stashward Bloomberg Sports Live from 196 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, Boston 197 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: to Washington, d C. Nationwide on Sirius x AM. The 198 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business Happened. Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg daybreak. 199 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hagar. We are seeing stocks get 200 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: a lift to start the week, particularly in Europe and 201 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: in the futures contracts, after one of the worst weeks 202 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: for US equities since December. So let's get you set 203 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: for the trading week ahead. For that, we're joined by 204 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: Dennis Gartman, the chairman of the University of Akron Endowment 205 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: Investment Committee and the former publisher of the Gartment Letter. 206 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: Great as always to speak with you. Dennis. What's the 207 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: trajectory you see for investments as we head into the 208 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: final month of the first quarter. Well, Nathan, good to 209 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: hear from you this morning, and I have been barished 210 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: now for the past three or four weeks. I think 211 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: that it's important to note that the SMP has fallen 212 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: below forties and four thousand. I think that's an important 213 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: technical and psychological circumstance area to be concerned about. I 214 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: think that Friday's inflation number is indicative of the fact 215 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: that the Fed has no choice but to continue to 216 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: be as aggressively tightening monetary policy as they have been 217 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: for the past months. They're probably going to take the 218 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: overnight FED funds rate to at least five and a 219 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: half percent. There's been some talk that they may go higher. 220 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: I have my doubts as to whether that is true 221 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: or not. But once they get to five to five 222 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: and a half percent, they'll keep the overnight Fed funds 223 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: rate at that level for a very long period of time. 224 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: It's going to be at least into twenty twenty four, 225 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: maybe far into twenty twenty four before they actually begin 226 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: to let rates move lower. I think that the Yiel 227 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: curve continues to steepen. We've got the twos tends eighty 228 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: five basis points now. It's been moving rather dramatically over 229 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: the course of the past several months. And I in 230 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: my comments to the University of Akrons Endowments six months ago, 231 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: I said that the overnight Fed funds or that the 232 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: twos to tens inverted Yiel curve would go to sixty 233 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: or seventy basis points from the then current thirty five. 234 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: I was wrong. Here we are now into the mid eighties. 235 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: So the Yiel curve continues to steepen, the continues to invert. 236 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: The Fed is concerned about inflation. The numbers on Friday 237 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: were very deletarious to share prices, and I'm really quite parish, 238 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: have been for the past several weeks, and have been 239 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: actually on balance since January fifth of last year, so 240 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: very rather consistent on my part. As you mentioned, the 241 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: S ANDP did break below four thousand at the end 242 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: of the week, now at thirty nine seventy the level. 243 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: Are you looking for a further resistance or a further 244 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: support level for this market or could the markets get 245 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: a bounce off the four thousand psychological level? Well, I 246 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: think we're getting a bounced this morning. We're actually up 247 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: about what eighteen or nineteen or twenty points from the 248 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: low from Friday's close, and actually about thirty five points 249 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: from Friday's lows. So I think we're getting a bounced 250 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: as we speak. I don't think this a bounce is 251 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: going to last very long. The volume that we've seen 252 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: overnight in the futures have been very very limited, and 253 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: when markets rally on lesser volume, they that probably means 254 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: they're going to go lower over the course of the 255 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: near future. So do I think the S ANDP goes 256 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: to I had a good discussion over the weekend with 257 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, Larry Lindsay, for dinner. I said 258 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: thirty six hundred, he says three thousand. I think thirty 259 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: six hundred is a reasonable target at this point for 260 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: the next several months. And what's the potential for the 261 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: FED to continue tightening? You mentioned the possibility of a 262 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: five and a half percent terminal rate. How long are 263 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: you looking for the FED to keep rates higher for longer, 264 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: for a very long period of time. If I've learned 265 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: anything in the forty five or fifty years that I've 266 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: been in the business, it's when the FED begins to 267 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: change monetary policy from tightening to easing, or from easing 268 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: to tightening, it takes rates far farther and for a 269 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: much longer period of time than even the most aggressive 270 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: of us at the beginning to believe. So I think 271 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: that the FED takes the overnight FED funds rate to 272 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: five to five and a half, probably five and a half, 273 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: I think it will be the terminal rate, and I 274 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: think it'll stay there for a very long period of time. 275 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: As I said earlier, at least into twenty twenty four, 276 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: early into twenty twenty four, and maybe even late into 277 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, before they begin to before they begin 278 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: to ease monetary policy, before they allow the overnight FED 279 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: funds rate to decline. So it's a long period of 280 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: time that we have to face higher rates. And I 281 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: don't think anybody's really I shouldn't say anybody. I don't 282 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: think the majority of people are prepared for that. And 283 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned the inversion between the twos and tens going 284 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: deeper than even you had expected. Is that the main 285 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: metric that you're looking at to forecast whether the FED 286 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: is going to bring this economy into a hard landing. Yes, 287 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: I think watching the two to tens ratio is probably 288 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: the easiest and best and most public number that you're 289 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: gonna watch. So watch the inversion and versions are very important, 290 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: and versions always when the eel curve inverts. When it 291 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: does almost characteristically, we go into recession sometime after that 292 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: six months, one year, eighteen months thereafter. We're moving into 293 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: recession right now, So keep an eye on the twos tens. 294 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope that it doesn't get to one 295 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: hundred basis points, But at this point I have my 296 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: doubts as or whether I can be correct in that instance. 297 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: Like I said, I thought it was going to go 298 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: from forty to sixty five or seventy it's made it 299 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: all the way to eighty five. Let us hope it 300 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: doesn't get to one hundred. 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