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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative, I'm Bridget Todd

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Speaker 1: and this is there Are No Girls on the Internet,

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Speaker 1: Prince David Bowie Les Paul. When we think about the

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Speaker 1: intersection of tech, innovation and music, it's not difficult to

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Speaker 1: think about men who fit the bill, But what about

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Speaker 1: all the female digital visionaries in their impact on music?

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Speaker 1: Enter Melissa our Nett Elliott, also known as Missy Elliott. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so some of you all might be thinking that maybe

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Speaker 1: this whole episode is just an excuse for me to

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Speaker 1: take a little break from the depressing news cycle and

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Speaker 1: talk about my love of Missy Elliott, And you know what,

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Speaker 1: You're not totally wrong, But Coral has not always gotten

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Speaker 1: credit for the visionary that she is. Her work as

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Speaker 1: a producer changed the landscape of music in ways that

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Speaker 1: we can still here today, and her innovative music videos

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Speaker 1: blend science fiction and afrofuturism to throw off outdated patriarchal

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Speaker 1: chains of what it means to be a black woman. Now.

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about girl squads and feminism and music,

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Speaker 1: but for Missy Elliott, that looks like working with other

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Speaker 1: women in the music industry, amplifying their voices and acting

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Speaker 1: as a creative collaborator with them. No Missy is known

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Speaker 1: for her technical production prowess. Alongside her longtime creative collaborator Timberland,

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Speaker 1: She's written and produced scores of songs for other artists,

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Speaker 1: many of whom are women whose work she helped find

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Speaker 1: mainstream success. Here's just a little taste of the music

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Speaker 1: she's helped produced. Aaliyah One in a Million, Sierra one,

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Speaker 1: sign and a lot of people don't know a lot

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Speaker 1: of the records I've written or produced, so that's a

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Speaker 1: highlight for me as a woman. Elliott told The Associated Press.

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Speaker 1: I always said if a man had done half the

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Speaker 1: records that I've done, we would know all about it,

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Speaker 1: and Missy is a right. It's almost hard for me

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Speaker 1: to overstate the impact Missy Elliot's work has had on

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Speaker 1: me personally, and she's actually one of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: wanted to start this podcast at all. One day, I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about all the different ways she shaped music

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Speaker 1: and I thought, why aren't we constantly talking about Missy

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Speaker 1: Elliott all the time. I was even Missy Elliott for

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Speaker 1: Halloween when I was younger. Check the photo in the

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Speaker 1: show description if you want to see evidence. Missy grew

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Speaker 1: up in the South in a small town called Portsmouth, Virginia,

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Speaker 1: and I'm from a small town Virginia too. We both

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Speaker 1: grew up in the church, singing in church choirs. The

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Speaker 1: it so clearly. That July, the Pathfinder had just landed

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Speaker 1: news from the fourth of July. I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: Miss Elliott dropped her debut album, Super Dupifly, and it

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Speaker 1: sounded like something at once from Another Planet and the Future.

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Speaker 1: rapper in history. Missy was just getting started, and she

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Speaker 1: was already charting new territory. When I was young, it

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Speaker 1: So the first time I saw the video for Missy

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Speaker 1: coming from. When she goes back and looks at her

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Speaker 1: what Missy was putting down. Now, as an adult, I

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Speaker 1: to Missy Elliott. Hi. I'm Steve shabiro Um. There's a

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Speaker 1: roy Professor of English at Wayne State University, on a

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Speaker 1: Dr Shaviro says Missy's music just sounds like the future,

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Speaker 1: probably already know that Missy Elliott is synonymous with iconic

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Speaker 1: a billboard outside. It says there are Black people in

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Speaker 1: She puts up billboards reminding everyone that there are black

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Speaker 1: you know, on one hand, it shouldn't be a controversial

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Speaker 1: statement to remind folks that, yes, there are black people

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Speaker 1: in the future. But then also how arresting is that,

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Speaker 1: How powerful is that we exist in the future. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of a bold reminder there are black people in

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Speaker 1: the future. And Missy Elliott helped me contextualize myself in

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Speaker 1: that future and embrace all the wonderful weirdness that it

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Speaker 1: could entail. We need to lift up our black visionaries

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Speaker 1: and innovators, the weirdos who do things their own way

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Speaker 1: and inspire others that they too can march to or

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Speaker 1: even produce their own beats. So Missy Elliott is the

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Speaker 1: visionary who inspired me, but we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: What icons and visionaries are inspiring you. Let us know

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