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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this edition of Phishology, where we

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Speaker 1: go over stats and advanced metrics on Marlins, Marlins players

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and who knows maybe in the coming episode.

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Speaker 2: To be feature Marlins players. To this episode, we were

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Speaker 2: talking about starting pitcher Jesus Buzzaro. Looks to be a

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Speaker 2: fun episode out. We discussed Buzzardo's stats, advanced metrics, and

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Speaker 2: maybe how he came back after his injury this season.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm joined today with Adam Lewis. Guys, how

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Speaker 2: are we feeling.

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Speaker 3: Encourage? I guess with the subject of our our episode today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited to be talking about the Marlins. Hopeful

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Speaker 4: number two started going into next season, right, say, he's

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Speaker 4: going to be our ace and Lozardo having the season

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Speaker 4: that he did, hopefully's a number two and got a

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Speaker 4: lot of information and I hope to get a dive

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Speaker 2: So for Wlizarro, some of his basic stats sixteen games

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Speaker 2: four and seven three three two ERA, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: one point four whip. Lewis, I want to go to

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Speaker 2: you first. Lozardo almost was kind of two different players

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Speaker 2: pre injury post injury. But when I say Lozardo, when

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Speaker 2: I mentioned him his twenty two season, what sticks out

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Speaker 2: to you first?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what's interesting is the pitch mix doesn't really

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Speaker 3: change that much, So it leads you to ask yourself

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Speaker 3: what really click for him, or at least what has

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Speaker 3: begun to click, because as we're hoping that this is

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Speaker 3: the start of him really kind of coming into his

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Speaker 3: own I mean, you see the I believe, I mean

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Speaker 3: this is an audio only medium, so you're not going

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Speaker 3: to see the stat cast metrics on the screen. But

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Speaker 3: he obviously, you know, the fast ball played up a

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Speaker 3: little bit. I believe last year he was in the

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Speaker 3: eighty third percentile and average fastball VELO, but this year

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Speaker 3: it was a tick up, and that's primarily due to

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Speaker 3: the uptick in velocity about half a mile on the

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Speaker 3: of which he's using his pitches has gotten a lot better,

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Speaker 3: and I think we really began to see that at

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Speaker 3: the end of twenty twenty one. I believe he went

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Speaker 3: out with a twelve strikeout performance. If I'm not mistaken, right,

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Speaker 3: he did at least collect double digit strikeouts and you're like,

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Speaker 3: you know, it was a parting gift, I guess to

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Speaker 3: what was a really upsetting first go around in Miami

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Speaker 3: and you were just like not sure, Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: we traded for this guy. He's so highly touted and

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Speaker 3: then he kind of just lays a big, old performative

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Speaker 3: goose egg. But spring training he looked a lot better.

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Speaker 3: The command had brained itself in a little bit. And

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Speaker 3: then that first start of the year against the Angels

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Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, he was phenomenally at twelve strikeouts.

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Speaker 5: A new career high for Jesus Luzaro. With the family

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Speaker 5: in town the watch, he's been brilliant today. Twelve k's

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Speaker 5: for Jesus.

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Speaker 3: He made six starts prior to himself going on the

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Speaker 3: injury list. I believe he had a four to H

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Speaker 3: then he just hit the il with what was considered

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Speaker 3: a four arm strain. And for something you know, obviously,

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Speaker 3: when you're dealing with the arm, you're always gonna kind

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Speaker 3: of be skeptical. Any injury, any injury to a pitcher's

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Speaker 3: throwing arm, you know, always kind of looms concern. But

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Speaker 3: he came back. The Marlins were diligent in their efforts

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Speaker 3: to kind of conserve I guess his innings for this year,

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Speaker 3: when he came back, he was terrific. I mean he

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Speaker 3: he made twelve starts to end the season, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was tremendous. I mean, he believe he had a

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Speaker 3: one sixty nine ARRA his last four starts. But it

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Speaker 3: just looked like the jekylin hide of this of a

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Speaker 3: season of a tenure thus far in Miami for him,

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Speaker 3: because first year he was really bad. I believe he

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Speaker 3: almost cost the Marlins two wins above replacement by Baseball

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Speaker 3: Reference war. And then you go into twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: and then in one hundred inning sample, he was excellent.

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Speaker 3: He was worth two wins. So it's literally Jacko Hyde,

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Speaker 3: it's yin and yang. I mean like he kind of

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Speaker 3: encouraged to think that he may supplant Pablo Lopez. Should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam, I want to ask you about Luzardo. Was

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Speaker 2: there anything you saw again when you mentioned his injuries,

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Speaker 2: and also just how Lozardo played, because when he was dealing,

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Speaker 2: he was easily one of the best pitchers on the Marlins,

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Speaker 2: just right after Sandy and just only in one hundred

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Speaker 4: So one thing I did want to preface before I

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Speaker 4: get into this season is that we tend to forget

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Speaker 4: the Lozardo inter pandemic baseball is arguably the top pitching

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Speaker 4: prospect in all of baseball. It was Mackenzie Gored, Nate

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Speaker 4: Pearson and his WIZARDO according to Eric Longenhangen back in

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Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty, so to see him. Obviously, he

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Speaker 4: over an over the course of one hundred innings, he

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Speaker 4: was a two point two war pitcher by Fangrafts. For

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Speaker 4: to mention as he continues to get better year after year,

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Speaker 4: it could potentially be higher, and it's only showing that

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Speaker 4: he's worth everybody of that sixty future value grad that

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Speaker 4: he once was looking into this year. Honestly, Lewis mentioned

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Speaker 4: he had a very very strong start to the season

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Speaker 4: ever since he came back from that injury, you've seen

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Speaker 4: him really have much better command of his pitches.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Not only is he he's controlling it better, not walking

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Speaker 4: but now he's basically slashed it in half back to

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Speaker 4: now able to locate any of his pitches in any

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Speaker 4: So in that regard, he's been a big step forward

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Speaker 4: do believe like I mentioned he's potentially our number two

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Speaker 4: he's had that potential before and he's quite he's living

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Speaker 4: for me, I'm very excited about Hazel's Lozardo once considered

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Speaker 4: very valuable picture in Miami. Yeah, lewis almost the same question,

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Speaker 4: but just with Luzzardo, just how is it when you

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Speaker 3: So the picture that I wanted to compare him to

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Speaker 3: on a parenting basis. He as great as he was

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Speaker 3: say that you want to shy away from targeting guys

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Speaker 3: it is something that I think will limit him from

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Speaker 3: I just think that his ability to miss bats could

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Speaker 3: He could be, if not on a Sandy level, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So one thing I did want to mention lewis

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Speaker 4: I somewhat would. I would kind of disagree in the

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Speaker 4: any if anything, it's going to be a matter of commands.

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Speaker 4: How much more commands can he tap into as he

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Speaker 4: just that just a bit. But he's really controlling his

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and you mentioned important word their extension,

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Speaker 3: So I think there's two ways to really look at this,

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Speaker 3: contracts the way that a team of the Padres now

436
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Speaker 3: do or you know, the Dodgers would. So I mean,

437
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: from an output standpoint, no, from a durability standpoint, that

438
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: may be the only thing that would scare me. And

439
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: I mean when you talk about output, though, I wanted

440
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: to touch on this when he came back in those

441
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: twelve games at the end of the season, if that's

442
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: any inkling of like what you're going to get moving forward.

443
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: He had opponent's ops a five to seventy one in

444
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: those games. I believe that's what Carlos Rodin had for

445
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: the entirety of the season. Again, I referenced Rodin is

446
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: great on a per earning basis, and that's kind of

447
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: where I see Lozardo at right now. The Marlins are

448
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: two to ten in those games. So if at the

449
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Speaker 3: end of the day, if he continues to get better

450
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: and he's generally motivated to win, you'd think that maybe

451
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: he would like the team to invest in the position

452
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: player corps to allow him to maybe come up with

453
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Speaker 3: more wins. I know analytics kind of have made the win,

454
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: and I guess I'm not the very important stat for pitchers.

455
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: It's not obviously, we know it's not the best to

456
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: gauge picture talent. I mean, you look at somebody like

457
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: Kyle Wright, who won twenty games as your for the

458
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: Atlanta Breids, yet his opponent's OPS was forty six points

459
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: higher than what Lozardo allowed six forty seven to six

460
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: oh one. Lozardo, obviously, I think moving forward if you

461
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: were asking me which picture would I rather have, I'd

462
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: probably rather take Lazardo. The reason Kyle Wright wins twenty

463
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: one games is because Atlanta has a core position players

464
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Speaker 3: that have the ability to score runs. Yeah, Lozardo and

465
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Speaker 3: Adam helped me queery this today on fangrass one hundred

466
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Speaker 3: and twenty four pictures through one hundred innings in twenty

467
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Speaker 3: twenty two. By average run support per game, Lozardo ranked

468
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: one hundred and twentieth, and so it gets back to

469
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: that two and ten in those final twelve starts that

470
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Speaker 3: he made. It's an indicator that if you do extend him,

471
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: you better do it at the right time, because if

472
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Speaker 3: they really want to compat, they're gonna have to and

473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: if trades don't work, they're gonna have to do something

474
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: in the free agent market, and then you're gonna be

475
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: stuck with all this pitching that you have no idea

476
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: what to do with in a couple of years time. Again,

477
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Speaker 3: I think you know, the four and seven record is

478
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: one thing, but it's what we what we've talked about

479
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: for the first twenty five minutes of this episode is

480
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: that he's obviously a lot better than his record leads

481
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: to believe and you can't. You know, you can't win

482
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: a game on your own, but you can lose it. Unfortunately,

483
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: the Marlins haven't helped him that much in that regard.

484
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of him staying healthy, I don't think.

485
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: I think there's like you know, there's some concern obviously

486
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 4: from the past, but you really only need to look forward.

487
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: And one thing I did want to mention was you

488
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 4: just kind of talk about here at the end about

489
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 4: extending Lizardo and potentially having this surplus of team friendly

490
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 4: contract pitchers and some sorry in some point in the future,

491
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: if the offense is still logging on, I don't see

492
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: that as quite as much of a negative as you

493
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: probably probably are making it out to me, just simply

494
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Speaker 4: because I think it's just another time where you would

495
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: have to hit the reset button and if anything, you

496
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: have at least chips in order to help you. You know,

497
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 4: if it would be another painful process, it'd be something

498
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 4: would all be complaining about, as Marlins fans and analysts,

499
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: another painful shutdown of the organization. But if it gets

500
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: to the point where if we're stalling out without any

501
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: offense and you still have Sandy Lozardo who would hypothetically

502
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Speaker 4: be on an extension, and let's see if Lopez is

503
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: still there, or Edward Cabrera, and you know, the list

504
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 4: goes on and on. With the number of guys they have,

505
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 4: they could be getting traded and that could mean having

506
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: trying to replenish for another rebuild and hopefully this time

507
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: around that can actually hit on some of the hitting

508
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: prospects that they're trying to acquire. I didn't mean to

509
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: actually say that, like as a pun, but but yeah, no,

510
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: I totally think that he is worth the extension, right.

511
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 4: I do believe he is capable of signing something, and

512
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: like I mentioned the eight to ten million dollar range,

513
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: the injury risk is notable, but I think he's too talented,

514
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: like Lewis had on a perinning basis, to really give

515
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: that up because he's just he's so talented. So I

516
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 4: think it's something that you still give him. You still

517
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 4: try to pay him in spite of the injury history.

518
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons why I said it would

519
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: be more than four years is because he's got two

520
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: uped and still, like I think you just showed right

521
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: now at the beginning of January twenty twenty three, it

522
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 4: would be two years and almost three. So if if

523
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 4: he were to sign a four year deal, they're really

524
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: only buying out the team controlled years and it doesn't

525
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: really give them another or much of his free agency.

526
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: Although I do think that Eli was accounting or I'm

527
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: trying to account for that with team options. So but

528
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: I still would like to see him try to be

529
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: longer and then have another time option. I do agree

530
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: with him on that. But yeah, that's my take on

531
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Speaker 4: a potential extension and his potential risk. So what any

532
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: risk associated withoud.

533
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: That would be yeah and not Right now, we look

534
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: at a screen of Lozardo's game logs for the last

535
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: couple starts of the season, and one thing that really

536
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: sticks out to me. If you look at from I

537
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: believe August nineteenth to his last start in October third,

538
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: there was only one start where he didn't have at

539
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: least six innings and now with the men for a

540
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: game of five earned runs. But besides that, it's two

541
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: earned runs, one in run, and especially that last game

542
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: against Atlanta, going six innings, no one runs, four hits

543
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: on twelve strikeouts really showed up the potential of and

544
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: just how great he's been doing later on in the season,

545
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: and with Buzardo, I want to go back to Adam.

546
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: I know Lewis meant that he kind of sees Lozardo

547
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: as like a Carlos Rndon type player type pitcher. Is

548
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: there any comparison that you may have with Lozardo?

549
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: I actually never really tinn looked into a potential comparison

550
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: for him, but I do agree in the sense that

551
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: he is a very good per inning basis pitcher who

552
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: really maximizes his frame to make the most of his pitches.

553
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: So one thing like that I will say, like I

554
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: think he mentioned it pretty well, it would be a

555
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: guy like what I would mention would be Carlos Rodin.

556
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: A guy who's not really similar at like in the

557
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: way that I would say he's not a velocity guy,

558
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: but in the way that he maximizes his frame to

559
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: the best of his abilities to really put everything in

560
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: count on the pitch. Is Marcus Strowman. Marcus Strowman is

561
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: five to eight and throws like ninety three to ninety four.

562
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: But for a guy that's small who is efficient as

563
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: efficient as he is with his core in his middle body,

564
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: just like Lozardo could be as well, or is as well.

565
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: To be able to induce that kind of velocity at

566
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: his frame is absolutely an athletic marvel in my opinion.

567
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: So that's the kind of that's one of the things

568
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: that I would say is comparable, just to kind of

569
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: give my unique sense. I didn't really do a whole

570
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: lot of research into what a good com parrible would be,

571
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: but I do know that Lezardo is very efficient with

572
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: his middle body and as an athlete. So because he's

573
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: because he's able to and do such great velocity at

574
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: just six feet tall or let me see, yeah, he's

575
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: exactly six feet tall, just like Marcus Strowman. He's just

576
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: at a different velocity because he's smaller, is able to

577
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: really throw hard for his size. So that's one of

578
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: the things that I do like that. It's something really

579
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: nice to watch just how athletic they are, and it

580
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: really just goes to show that pictures are the best

581
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: athletes on the field.

582
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: I guess now too, you're kind of asking more of

583
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: Pictures to be great on a perating basis. I think

584
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: that's the expectation that we've set for aces. I mean,

585
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: you know, Garrett Cole and the likes of you know,

586
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: Al Contra, and you know, guys like that are very

587
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: seldom they you know, they could give you depth while

588
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: maintaining their stuff. We've seen Lozardo able to go out

589
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: there and give the Marlins bits of excellence, but it's

590
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: not for extensive periods of time. But then again, nowadays,

591
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: like the average start I believe this year was like

592
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 3: right around five innings, so you're kind of just you know,

593
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: looking at you know, if he gives you six innings

594
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: on average a start, that's you know, you could be

595
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: talking about a guy if he makes thirty starts, who

596
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: could possibly contend for at Ion Award. Like that's you know,

597
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: the expectations have definitely been tampered for starting pitchers. He's

598
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: a prime example of that. And yeah, I mean it

599
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: really just gets back to command, you know, if he

600
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: doesn't really if the control doesn't ever further sort itself out,

601
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: then again, he could, like Adam said, his floor, while

602
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: still being high because of the stuff, could greatly be

603
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: affected by the fact that he just won't work deep

604
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: into games because his is an ability to command the

605
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: strike zone.

606
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I mean, like I think he'll always

607
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: be He'll always have that opportunity just because I've always

608
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: think I've always thought his command was pretty good for

609
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: his pitch mix that couple with his just advanced slider

610
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: fastball combo that he had grown up in the Oakland

611
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: system and especially also within Washington's before he was dealt

612
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: early on back in twenty seventeen.

613
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: I think.

614
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 4: Is really what makes him just such a special picture.

615
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: And it's really just going to be a matter of

616
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: him being able to stay healthy and consistent throughout the

617
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 4: course of the year. Obviously we saw him have that

618
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: command issue earlier on this year, but it's something that

619
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 4: he really figured out, as you know, down the stretch

620
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: and once he came back from the injured list, Now

621
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Speaker 4: that he's going to potentially have a full year in

622
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three to finally work things out, let's see

623
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: what he's capable of doing. I fully believe that if

624
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 4: all comes together, he's a future All Star. He's very, very,

625
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: very good, was Lizardo. And the only reason why Oakland

626
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: was okay living him up for in for the rest

627
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: of for half a season of Starling Marte is because

628
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: of that injury history. They didn't think that he potentially

629
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: was somebody who was going to be available to pitch

630
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: for them for so long, so they were okay letting

631
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: him go. Obviously, so far, it's turned out to be

632
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: a mistake because just this year alone, Lozardo's put up

633
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: two wins and Marte left the same year. We still

634
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: have four years of Lozardo, and I really do believe

635
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: this trade is going to continue to pay off bountifully

636
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 4: for the next couple of years, and I think if

637
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: we extend him it could continue to do so. If

638
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: we ever had to even trade him, or at least

639
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: for the sake of securing the kind of guaranteed money,

640
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: if he were to even pitch better, would be a

641
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: plus for him, the proa least a plus for the organization.

642
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the Marlins can parlay that into something, you know,

643
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: pretty good, regardless of what happens on that end.

644
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. But before we go with Lozardo, his FIP I

645
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: was looking at a three point one two. Lewis, you're like,

646
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: the fifth guy is one of your stats.

647
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: Talk.

648
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: I want you guys to talk to me about his

649
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: FIP with with lazarda three point one two lower than

650
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: his e RA. Before we go on and then, uh,

651
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Speaker 2: and talk to me about Lozzardo's fit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, PIP really like people should know, it's

653
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Speaker 3: feeling independent pitching. So what that really states is that

654
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: you're taking the defense out of the equation, so it strikeouts,

655
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: home runs and walks, things that a pitcher can only

656
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Speaker 3: control with that in mind. Yeah, Lizardo. Obviously, when you're

657
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: cutting back on the walks the way he was, and

658
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: you're also striking out guys the way that we always

659
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: forecasted he was able to, then of course you know

660
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: your FIP will definitely be better than your e RA.

661
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: And Lozardo's blow ups were seldom. He had a couple

662
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: of them. If you see on the on the graphic

663
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: that we have here, Adam, you can obviously see there

664
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Speaker 3: was a couple of outings where, you know, post injury,

665
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: he came back and he was, you know, less than stellar,

666
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: but he still gave you Lengthen each of those starts,

667
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: except for one, he went at least six innings or

668
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: at least five innings, and that's something to you know,

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00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: acknowledge because of like I said earlier, how pitchers are

670
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: used nowadays. But you know, he's his ability to miss

671
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: bats and uh, like I said, the continued growing command

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: that he at least has started to exude. But again,

673
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: I don't want our listeners and you know, fellow Marlins

674
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: fans to think that just because that he reigned in

675
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: his command a little bit, that he's solved. I mean,

676
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: there's still a lot to be done. He was still

677
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: i believe, a thirty six percent on Tyland walk rate,

678
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: so he you know, can happen to be an issue

679
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: at some points. But because of his ability to misbats,

680
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: the fact that he just did not get a lot

681
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: of hits. I believe he only about sixty nine hits

682
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: at one hundred innings. It was like six in baseball

683
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: for pictures. At least one hundred innings, I believe he

684
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: was tied with Dylan Cees in that regard. You know,

685
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: that's what's gonna happen. If you're you can miss bats

686
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: and not allow base runners or at least limit them,

687
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: your FIP will definitely say that, hey, you maybe got

688
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: a little unlucky, and obviously like the home run will

689
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: affect your FIP a little bit. But he did a

690
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: pretty good job of preventing that. Only ten home runs

691
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: allowed in one hundred innings. So you know you projected

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00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 3: over two hundred inning season, you know, twenty home runs

693
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: and two hundred innings. You're gonna have instances where your

694
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: fit will say that, hey, you probably got a little unlucky, Adam.

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Speaker 2: Do you have anything to bring up with that or

696
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Speaker 2: do you want me to bring up some breaking news

697
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: from the Marlins.

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00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. Let's get into the breaking news.

699
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: I kind of got a abstracted but yeah, for sure

700
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 4: I got some stuff to say.

701
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: During this episode while wild streaming got notification that the Marlins,

702
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: or i should say, Skip, Schumacher added someone to his

703
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: coaching staff first base coach and outfield coach, Adams, one

704
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: of his legends from Columbus from the University of Miami,

705
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: John J.

706
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 5: John with a good jump, the good center fielders are

707
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 5: won two steps in progress when the contacts made.

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Speaker 3: I don't think among the Cardinal fan base that John J.

709
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: Gets enough credit for the kind of player he has been.

710
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: Warner World Series title in twenty eleven with the Cards

711
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: from Miami, it couldn't get any better. This is the

712
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: team of alliterations, all right, John Jay, Skip Schumacher. Now

713
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Speaker 2: maybe Adam mcbonnie who knows. Adam, tell me a little

714
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: bit about John Jay. What the Marlins are getting here

715
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Speaker 2: with the Miami native.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean it's I am kind of shocked

717
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: to see this signing. I wasn't really expecting John Jay

718
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: to enter the coaching realm, but I definitely see the

719
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: connection with John Jay making his debut with the Cardinals

720
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: back in twenty ten and playing a couple of years

721
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: alongside Skip with the with the Redbirds, so he was

722
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: always a beloved, beloved figure in the locker room, one

723
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: of the best guys on the team. He is like

724
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: obviously a Miami native. He grew up in punt to

725
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: the Uh. He played with one of my cousins or

726
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 4: one of my friends cousins, and he's always been like

727
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: a fantastic human being. That's the kind of theme that

728
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: you want to see, and you know, seeing Skip and

729
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: Jay have a really good connection in Saint Louis. They've

730
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: you know now that I remember, I've seen them, you know,

731
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 4: kind of talking. They've always been laughing in the dugout together.

732
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 4: We've seen them in interviews here in Saint Louis on

733
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: a local media, always talking positively about one another and

734
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 4: there's never been a shortage of good things said about

735
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Speaker 4: Like we've already said with Skip Schumacher, but additionally with

736
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Speaker 4: John Jay, I think he's a class a class a act,

737
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: fantastic addition to the coaching staff, and I love to

738
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 4: see how he's going to be able to, you know,

739
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: see how he's gonna be able to work with the

740
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Speaker 4: team to potentially lead them to the playoffs in the future.

741
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

742
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Speaker 3: Yeah, John Jay was always one of those guys that

743
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: I liked growing up. Obviously, I don't believe he's ever

744
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: coached in the big leagues before. I mean, he was

745
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: an active player as recently his last season, So you know,

746
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 3: we'll see how he does in his first goal around

747
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 3: he could. You know, we'll see how maybe he can

748
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: work with the likes of, you know, Brian Anderson, who

749
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: we were talking with last night, I mean last night,

750
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: Eli and co were talking with Aaron Layton, and Aaron

751
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: was on noting that Anderson's reads in the outfield maybe

752
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: looked a bit lacks of days of all times, his

753
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: first step wasn't that great. Maybe if Anderson is back

754
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: with the club in twenty twenty three, Jake can be

755
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: someone he works with extensively to fix maybe the what

756
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: had played him in the outfield when it comes to

757
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: running routes. You know, these are all just initial things

758
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: that come to mind when thinking of players on the

759
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: active roster at this time and the role he may play.

760
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: I believe he's a first base coach too, So yeah,

761
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting. I'm I'm I like, I like to

762
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 3: hire a lot.

763
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned some I'm gonna just play and

764
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Speaker 2: as recently as last season, so he's still new and

765
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: fresh to coaching, but he knows everything that's going on

766
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: with clubhouses now baseball. Now, he leans more, gets more

767
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: to the players as he's just coming off playing in

768
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one to go straight to coaching. So again,

769
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Speaker 2: I think it's a great hire. I think Skip is

770
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: gonna provide a really great coaching staff. And again this

771
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: is I think this part of his icing on it now,

772
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: waiting for the cherry to see who gets on left

773
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Speaker 2: in there. But to get someone who just played last

774
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: season to just coaching now, Miami native, I think it's

775
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: overall great for Miami. Just like Lozardo we were talking

776
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: about earlier, Adam Lewis any final thoughts before we go Lozardo,

777
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Speaker 2: John Jay, just what you're thinking about everything after this episode.

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Speaker 4: I'm just typed for John Jay to be in Miami

779
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 4: next year. Man, this is actually so sick. It's gonna

780
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 4: give me another reason to go down there and see

781
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: some more some more like other family friends and now

782
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: potentially John Jay gonna talk to him about that and

783
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 4: see if he recognizes any of the people. So that'd

784
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 4: be kind of fun to see about.

785
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm interested to see now since

786
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: I mean maybe this is like the first in clean

787
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: a week kind of an idea of what Skip's gonna

788
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: prioritize with this coaching stuff. So I'll be interesting to

789
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: see who he further pairs Jay with and mel to

790
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: I guess a company and the coaching staff heading into

791
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, but it should be interesting. Uh yeah,

792
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: Green Day can't come sooner, but you got free agency.

793
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: We gotta get through first.

794
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see what happens there to see if any

795
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: other breaking news comes out, maybe next episode of Phystology,

796
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: but for myself, for Daniel, for Adam, for Lewis Eli

797
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: behind the scenes working his magic, talked about Luzardo. We

798
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: even got some breaking news in the middle of the episode,

799
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: so stay tuned for Phisiology. You don't know what might

800
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: that white might happen. And next episode we're gonna go

801
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: into the minors. We're gonna see who we had. You

802
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: might have talked about Jose Salas, Joey Perez, but we're

803
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: gonna bring up some some minor leaguers next episode. So

804
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: stay tuned and always go Fish