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Speaker 1: have a little discussion here. And I'm bummed at Dan's

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Speaker 1: been doing this a long time too. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: times recently to know at least a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about what I'm talking about in regards to injuries and

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Speaker 1: this new kind of scourge of achilles tendon injuries that

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Speaker 1: Here's what I mean. So last night Tyre's Haliburton tear's

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Speaker 1: to remember. I don't know where you were, but your

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Speaker 1: all aside. I look at my phone and some of

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Speaker 1: believe it, and then we start talking about it. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the overuseed thing, you're like, okay. Well, they do play

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Speaker 1: because the NBA Playoffs have always gone into June, always, always, always, always,

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Speaker 1: not really. Tyres Haliburton played seventy three games this year

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Speaker 1: Lillard again. Then you go to football, Uh, what was

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Speaker 1: There's always that pressure on achilles tendon. Only now it

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Speaker 1: seems like there's more guys. So it wasn't the vaccine.

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Speaker 1: Please stop with its low tops, Stop with its low tops.

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Speaker 1: There's never been a study that shows that high tops

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Speaker 1: protect you from anything, especially an achilles tenant. To wear

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Speaker 1: a shoe and I'm a basketball shoe guy. I've worn

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Speaker 1: there was the Converse weapons, but they also had the

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Speaker 1: y bar Did you ever remember the y bar ones?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now remember Dan Marino towards achilles tenon, right, So

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Speaker 1: it had happened before. It's just a volume of them,

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Speaker 1: stinkers because the Sneker technology is way better. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: play air Force ones. Used to be basketball snakers. People

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Speaker 1: But the technology wasn't better then than it is now,

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Speaker 1: so that doesn't make any sense. Please don't say it's Nike.

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, right, first round used to be three, then

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Speaker 1: don't know. All of this is hypotheses, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: never happened before at this volume. If you say it did,

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Speaker 1: in the NBA at a couple of playoff games. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I'm torn in terms of the only play one sport thing,

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys play multiple sports growing up. But

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Speaker 1: But when I played, and how I was brought up

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Speaker 1: start with the the Achilles thing. It's happened in football too,

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Speaker 1: and guys used to play eighty two games. They do

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Speaker 3: You're ready for my answer? Don Yes, obviously clearing fun.

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Speaker 3: Guys have to take care of their body. Oh that's

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Speaker 3: first and foremost. Your Your body is your temple. You

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Speaker 3: You have to train for those moves. They're not training

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Speaker 3: Talk to me, Talk to me, Doug.

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Speaker 3: We're getting real nerdy right now, Doug.

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Speaker 3: It's it's Tatum is the one. We're questioning it and

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Speaker 3: Like like like back in the day, if the barn

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Speaker 3: go barb the spot up shooting in the corner more

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Speaker 3: spot up shooters. Doug Nieman's running off screens and making

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Speaker 3: his hidden step back threes, Miles Turners hidden. You can't

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Speaker 3: hide in the NBA no more, Doug. That's the reality.

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Speaker 3: And then you gotta be busy on the other hand

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Speaker 3: making those plays. And that's what these guys are getting hurt.

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Speaker 3: You get hide.

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Speaker 3: Who does? That's? That's so because I can't, I cannot.

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Speaker 3: I cannot have this nostalgic bias towards Kobe Bryant, towards

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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, towards Larry Bird, towards Lebron James, because these

427
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Speaker 3: kids are young and I haven't seen them the way

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Speaker 3: they've done it before. I cannot deny the numbers. Although

429
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Speaker 3: I'm not ready to jump off a bridge for SGA,

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Speaker 3: but I cannot deny the season that he has had

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Speaker 3: and the way that he's gotten busy against every team

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Speaker 3: in the league. No, he hasn't done it the way

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Speaker 3: that I've loved it. But did Kobe Bryant falbeate? Of course?

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Speaker 3: You know, if you guard Kobe in your hand was

435
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Speaker 3: in the Sookie jar, it was gonna draw that. You

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Speaker 3: knew if you're too close to Kobe.

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Speaker 1: And it is different, though, it's different. Though it's different though,

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Speaker 1: like what he does. There's a difference between driving in

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Speaker 1: and creating contact and grabbing somebody pulling them into you,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's different than anybody who

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Speaker 1: says all these guys shot free throws, none of them

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Speaker 1: would grab to somebody's arm, pull them into them, and

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Speaker 1: then throw up their hands and pretend they were found.

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Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, You're not wrong. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to pull away from them, but I don't want to

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Speaker 3: finalize this guy. I'm in between Doug and I need

447
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Speaker 3: to see him do it two or three more times.

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Speaker 3: W farm just fall in and I think the chance

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Speaker 3: for him to have to do it is not And

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Speaker 3: keep in mind, like the ball was in his hands

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Speaker 3: for the majority of it. It wasn't like, you know,

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Speaker 3: like he took nights off and Jay Williams had that

453
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Speaker 3: one forty point game and they were really good to find,

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Speaker 3: like for the most part, when they need, like the

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Speaker 3: balls in his hands. For me, the key for it

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Speaker 3: to continue to move forward the way it does. That

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Speaker 3: will continue to sell me, because I like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: fully sold that I'm sold. I got respect for what

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Speaker 3: he does. I don't want to take away from SGA.

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Speaker 3: The thing that will sell me is the improvement of

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Speaker 3: Check Hoongern. And I think that if he puts on weight,

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Speaker 3: he continues to get stronger. He's the guy that creates

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Speaker 3: a dynasty for Oklahoma City right now. If he's planning

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Speaker 3: against a big if he has to rebound against somebody

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Speaker 3: with size, he can get thrown around a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But if he can play in space, he's beaten shots

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Speaker 3: off the glass. Dude, he can shoot, he can dribble.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that Check can do. I think Checks

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Speaker 3: that unicorn okay, that takes them to the next level

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Speaker 3: that makes it a dynasty or not. If Chet doesn't

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Speaker 3: get in line, it will not be a dynasty. It

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Speaker 3: will not be something we'll be talking about for ages.

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Speaker 3: I think they can be beatable checks the guy that

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Speaker 3: makes them unbeatable. That's where I lean into Oklahoma City

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Speaker 3: even stronger. But if Chet doesn't put on strength, if

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Speaker 3: Chet is not able to guard big or.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or if you can make shots and he made

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Speaker 1: more last night, but he's lost his conference. Hey, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: you're you're the best. I'm actually we're gonna throw on

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Speaker 1: doctor Allan Shamrock, who's works for Purveil, works with the

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Speaker 1: Packers in a second and get his thoughts on it.

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Speaker 1: But I really appreciate you joining us, and let's let's

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Speaker 1: talk after the draft.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe sad day.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome in doctor Alan Shamrock. He joins

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Speaker 1: us now on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Tradero.

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Speaker 1: He's an orthopedic sports medicine foot and ankle surgeon, and

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Speaker 1: doctor Shamrock, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you and I just talked about this

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Speaker 1: earlier today. So it's not just basketball, right, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Granted they're a little older, but there's been

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Speaker 1: some younger players. There's a young college player. Jalen Moore

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Speaker 1: was at Oklahoma basketball player in a pre draft workout

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Speaker 1: towards Achilles tenant. It does feel like again feels you know,

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Speaker 1: the numbers more, you know, it feels like there's more

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Speaker 1: of these higher volume of Achilles ten and tears than

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Speaker 1: previously at high level sports. Is that accurate?

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Speaker 3: I would say so.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I would say just generally speaking, in the

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Speaker 6: population as the whole, there's certainly more Achilles Tenant ruptures.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, I don't know, we're talking about leave

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Speaker 6: athletes here, but they're also happening at increasing numbers in

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Speaker 6: the forty fifty sixty year olds, and I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of that has to do with the popularity of pickleball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pickleball is a killer, right. You see pickleball dudes

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Speaker 1: go down. You're like, okay, so what do you think, Like,

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Speaker 1: you work on on feet and ankles for a living,

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Speaker 1: this is what you do. What's your best guess on

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Speaker 1: why there's a higher volume of them than previously.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's really been interesting. I think that

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Speaker 6: the spike at the professional level on a national stage

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Speaker 6: has certainly gotten a whole lot of people interested. I

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Speaker 6: think that kind of delving into like the Orthentitic literature,

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Speaker 6: what's been published so far, there's never been a link

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Speaker 6: between having a prior calf injury or a calf strain

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Speaker 6: increasing your chance of having your Achilles tendon pop. I

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Speaker 6: will say though, that I mean the calf made up

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Speaker 6: of two muscles, the gas stock the solely as they

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Speaker 6: come together to form the Achilles tendon, and the muscle

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Speaker 6: and the tendon function is one unit. And I think

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Speaker 6: it passes the common sense test that if that particular

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Speaker 6: muscle tendon unit is seeing a particular load and a

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Speaker 6: portion of that muscle is compromised and can't take that load,

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Speaker 6: that load has to go somewhere, okay.

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Speaker 1: So let me let me, let me help people out here,

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Speaker 1: and you tell me if this is okay. So I

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Speaker 1: trained with a guy Mart Murnovich. He was an incredible

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Speaker 1: strength and conditioning coach in southern California. And what we

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Speaker 1: would do is we wouldn't just work the gastric. We

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Speaker 1: would work the solace, okay, which is the little muscle. Right.

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Speaker 1: And so but when you go into a gym, okay,

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Speaker 1: people do calf races. They do everything. It's all for

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Speaker 1: the gastric. They don't do for the solace. And so

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Speaker 1: there's an imbalance there is that what's behind any of

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Speaker 1: this that they're working, they're not working both muscles and

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Speaker 1: the ligaments and tendants.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean to your point, it's certainly important to

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Speaker 6: strengthen both because, like I said, they work in conjunction

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Speaker 6: with with one another. I will say playing Devil's no

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Speaker 6: one has ever demonstrated that any sort of asymmetry between

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Speaker 6: the two can be increasing your risk of having your

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Speaker 6: your your tendon tear. But I mean it's certainly been

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Speaker 6: a very interesting thought.

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Speaker 1: Last thing is this and doctor Alan Shamrocks joining us

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Speaker 1: here on the Doug Goatlib Show. He works for Provea.

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Speaker 1: He's the foot and ankle surgeon for the Green Bay

548
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Speaker 1: Packers as well as for the Green Bay Phoenix, and

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Speaker 1: he joins us here in the Doug Goatlib Show on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Doc the the rehab process. We have

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Speaker 1: seen players football players come back sooner from it than previously.

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Speaker 1: How different is the surgery now from when you first

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Speaker 1: got into medicine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the surgical techniques has certainly changed quite

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Speaker 6: a bit. I think previously we're making large incisions on

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Speaker 6: the back of people's ankles, which brought a lot of

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Speaker 6: wound problems, a concern for infection, and that's done a

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Speaker 6: way with more of the minimally basis surgical techniques using

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Speaker 6: smaller incisions and then various jigs the pass suitures through

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Speaker 6: the tendon where you don't even have to really look

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Speaker 6: at the tendon itself. And I think that is a

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Speaker 6: had the rehab process speed up relative to what we've

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Speaker 6: been doing maybe a decade decade and a half ago.

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Speaker 6: I will say though, that rehab for Achilles, it just

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Speaker 6: takes a long time. I mean I still counsel people

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Speaker 6: in the community that I mean it's going to be

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Speaker 6: nine to twelve months before you're back to doing whatever

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Speaker 6: sport you're doing before this happened. And then at the

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Speaker 6: collegiate a professional level, I think it's in the order

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Speaker 6: of seven to nine.

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Speaker 1: Well, the great Achilles had one weakness, it was his heel,

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Speaker 1: and you are a man who fixes those that Achilles heel. Doc.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. Incredible insight, and I

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Speaker 1: just I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 4: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on

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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio apps.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Let's do something we

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Speaker 1: usually do to start a second hour, but I felt

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Speaker 1: like I want to rant about ankles and achilles, so

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Speaker 1: instead we'll do it now. We call it love and Hate.

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Speaker 4: What did you love?

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Speaker 1: God? I love you?

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Speaker 4: And what did you hate?

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Speaker 3: These play hay Is.

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Speaker 1: It was a great weekend of sports, a hot weekend

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Speaker 1: in most of the country. What'd you love? What you hate?

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's start with Jay Stu, Jay Su. You

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00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: usually start with you in hating, but I know you

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Speaker 1: love some stuff.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. Something very

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Speaker 7: special happened on Saturday night. Sam and I were witnessed

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Speaker 7: to a coworker of ours, Ryan Berschinger, get married to

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Speaker 7: his lovely bride, Audrey. I will say this and the

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Speaker 7: reason why I wanted to get it in today The

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Speaker 7: Beatles actually nailed it right, the Beatles in this song

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Speaker 7: all you need.

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Speaker 1: Is well, it's easey.

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Speaker 7: I think that, like you think about it, what are

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Speaker 7: we on this planet for? What is our purpose? I

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00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 7: think a lot of evolutionists and Elon Musk would say

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00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 7: to reproduce. There are other people that say to serve

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Speaker 7: a lord. I choose love. I think we are here

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Speaker 7: to be in love. We are here to share love.

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Speaker 7: And I'm talking about selflessness in the purest sense. If

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Speaker 7: you truly do believe that the other person's happiness is

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Speaker 7: more important than yours, that is true love. And Ryan

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Speaker 7: Berschinger gave one of the most rememberable, dramatic wedding vows

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Speaker 7: I've ever seen, and there was not a dry eye

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Speaker 7: in the audience. I was teared up. Everybody was. When

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Speaker 7: you talk about your eye, yeah, we talk about somebody

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Speaker 7: that you love in that way that touches everybody. And

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Speaker 7: I will say this about Ryan Birschinger. I thought I

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00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 7: knew the guy. He's a coworker, he's one of the

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Speaker 7: most kind guys I've ever run into. But I learned

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Speaker 7: a new appreciation for the guy that I work with,

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Speaker 7: and he's one in life. He has found love And

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Speaker 7: is there anything more relatable to us in the studio

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Speaker 7: we're listening right now. We are here to love and

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Speaker 7: be loved. So Ryan Berschinger, congratulations. One of the greatest

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Speaker 7: experiences I've ever had on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: Wow in life, or or at a wedding in life.

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Speaker 2: Wow Wow, It.

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Speaker 7: Was a what do you call that transformative moment for

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Speaker 7: me and how I saw a human being and how

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Speaker 7: I want to lead the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: Wow strong Okay, damn by would you love?

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Speaker 2: I always feel like I follow the heavy stuff. And

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say I loved Saturday Night. It

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Speaker 2: was just basically summertime chill like because the game seven

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Speaker 2: wasn't until until Sunday we.

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Speaker 1: Did bomb another country kind of not all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, so I'm with you. It was it

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Speaker 1: did finally feel like summer. All right, Maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: it's hot, but did finally feel like summer? But you

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Speaker 1: love that summer chill that's your.

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Speaker 2: It's just it just it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you completely poop poot it with the war thing.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sorry. I just again, like I was, Sam,

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Speaker 1: it's all summer like war? What is it good? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: What do you got?

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Speaker 5: Are we moving on to me real quick?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I was also at the wedding. It was wonderful.

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Speaker 5: My love is the weekend in general. I went out

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Speaker 5: to Vegas for the first time in my life for

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Speaker 5: the Know and Rich twentieth anniversary convention and party. It

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Speaker 5: was a blast. They bawled out great great parties, you know,

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Speaker 5: pool parties, clubs, rooftop rooftop clubs, and fireworks and it

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Speaker 5: was a great time. I was already exhausted, went there

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Speaker 5: with Mike Lingard, the guy who runs this place.

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Speaker 2: There and back.

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Speaker 5: I was exhausted, ready to just be done for the weekend,

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Speaker 5: but I had this wedding to turn around for.

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Speaker 2: And it was. It was great, great weekend overall.

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Speaker 5: One of those really exhausting weekends, but one that you

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Speaker 5: remember with a lot of great memories with both work

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Speaker 5: and friends and work friends.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what I'd

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Speaker 1: loved from the weekend. Kind Of interesting here, at least

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Speaker 1: to me, was Look, I think most of you guys know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a not a big President Trump guy, but

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Speaker 1: I love I I think the B twelve bomber, the

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Speaker 1: stealth bomber, is the coolest thing I've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: my life, Like man creation ever, like it. It does

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Speaker 1: its job. You can't detect it. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they fit stuff on it because it looks super thin.

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Speaker 1: I know it's kind of visually whatever. I think it's cool,

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I don't. I don't like the idea

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Speaker 1: of other people losing their lives, and I definitely don't

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Speaker 1: like the idea of being of wondering what repercussions come

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Speaker 1: from things. But uh, uh yeah, I don't know. There's

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Speaker 1: there is there is something about your country having the

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Speaker 1: absolute coolest thing to go, like, you know what, we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna take I I like what happens Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't that, it's free country, you're allowed

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Speaker 1: to think that way. That's hat.

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Speaker 5: And that was love and love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's love and love. Just love for the weekends,

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Speaker 1: just love in the work end. Uh and uh liked

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Speaker 1: like Oklahoma City winning winning a championship. I understand how

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Speaker 1: they got a team. You know, look, Seattle would have

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Speaker 1: had a team had they built an arena. Didn't do it,

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Speaker 1: just the the can do attitude of Oklahoma City, which

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Speaker 1: that area of the city. Uh, you go to Bricktown.

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Speaker 1: The Maps project which built that arena originally wasn't doing great.

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Speaker 1: And of course the tragic, tragic hurricane Hurricane Katrina brought

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Speaker 1: them the Hornets and they built it from there. Pretty

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Speaker 1: awesome kind of American twenty first century story, The Stug

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