1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: very special guests, recording artists in naz x is in 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: the building. Hey, hey, I am really excited to have 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: you here. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: So you really look like you are really into cooking, right. 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: I'm so excited about this, Like literally it's dope because 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: this idea that we went to is like, so like 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: this just excited me up. 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Yes, what are you gonna be having us eat today? 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: Okay, so today we're gonna be having. 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: Hummus samas, the organic original homemade Arab ways. 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that because basically, what you're 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: telling me is that instead of me buying hummus from 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: the containers, that I can actually make it at home 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: and it's budget. 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: Friendly, literally so much more budget friendly and just just 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: better take. 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: Really, so we gonna find out today. 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: It's literally real, let's get it. I'm excited about it. 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Yes, so tell us what it takes to make homemade hummus. 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So we have the chickpeas. 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: And these are canned so people don't have to boil 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: them in. 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: And we love Goya products always always, so yeah, the 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: Goya product will work. But whatever product chickpeas boom. And 28 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: then honestly, the lemon juice and the olive oil, I 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: don't know. If we have our olive oil. 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: We can have someone run and get it. 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the olive oil, the lemon juice just crucial like anything. 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: Middle Eastern they always put lemon juice and olive oil anyway, always. 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Oh really, even in all the all the like cooking dishes. 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: Cooking always get olive oil. 35 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: Is like our especially Palestinians, like olive oil is the. 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: Thing because we like grow olives. 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: So it's like oh yeah, like my mom would tell 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: me like oh yeah, we would grow olive trees. Like 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: literally you might like to. I would drink the olive oil, 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: organic real organic stuff. Drink yeah, like my grandpa would 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: drink the olive oil. Is like so healthy. But it's 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: like olive oils. 43 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: And everything sound healthy. Okay, have you ever drink. 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: Ours in America? 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: Because they put so much stuff on our stuff, So 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if we could do that, but you know, 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: olive oil is there. We go in the extra virgin period, 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: So I don't know about these brands, but you know, 49 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: like it's so good, Like I honestly olive oil and 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: everything for us Arabs? 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: Is it? Okay? 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Oil and a lemon juice. You gotta put the lemon 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: juice and everything. 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: Literally, Okay, what are the other ingredients? 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: And then just a bunch of seasonings. So some of 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: the seasonings are like you know, some traditional and then 57 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: some stuff. I'm going like a little out because I 58 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: like to like season my stuff. 59 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: Okay, so season the taste. 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: And there's peppers, yes, so we have Do we have 61 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: the peppers? 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, in that little orange case? Oh my god, yes, 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: but I don't know if those were the right ones. 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: Oh no, these aren't the right ones. But we're gonna 65 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: just use this as an embellishment at the end. That's 66 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: what was cute. It'll be cute chipotle peppers and a 67 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: double sauce ooh a doubo Okay, cool. 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what roasted peppers in a can 69 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: look like. 70 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, Like literally, I think it was supposed 71 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: to be the jar. 72 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: The jar. I tried, I tried. I didn't know what 73 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: I was looking for. 74 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: No, I ain't a roast chef in here. 75 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: We just be doing it. 76 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: But we were doing it and we're doing it right, 77 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: and you have garlic and onions teach us how to 78 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: make it. 79 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so literally, okay, the thing is is like 80 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: the garlic and the onions, I would have liked to 81 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: like roast it up and stuff to make it a 82 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: little bit that, But since it's not that, we're not 83 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: gonna put them in today. 84 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: We're just gonna have them as cute little decoration. 85 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: Cerations on the side. 86 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: Okay, But okay, so we're gonna start with the chickpeas. 87 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Got it? 88 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: Now? 89 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: Do we get started? 90 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: Yes? 91 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: Get started? And do we have to I'm genuinely really 92 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: invested in this. I'm hoping that I never buy how 93 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: much again after this. But do we have to drain 94 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: the liquid out of the key? 95 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: Yes, we do it. 96 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: You could use those blue keys. 97 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 5: Look, I'm asking all the right questions, really, okay, honestly, 98 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 5: just like like, we do have to drain it out 99 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 5: because this water that they have it's sitting in it's. 100 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: Just you know, it's like fermented or something. 101 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fermented, And it's not really like necessary because 102 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: the thing is you're supposed to soak the chickpeas overnight 103 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: if they're fresh fresh chicken, you know, but they're already 104 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: soaking them, so it's like perfect because. 105 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: You have to Oh they're not soft in there. 106 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're soft now because they soaked them. 107 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: So if I were to get a bag of chickpeas, 108 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: the dry one. 109 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: You can just soak them overnight and then they come 110 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: like this and they become fermented and stuff and then 111 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: you just like drain it out. 112 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: You can use that too. 113 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: Oh I don't have to boil them. 114 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to boil them. So the thing 115 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: is is if you do boil them, it's like the replacement. 116 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: Either you soak them or you boil them. 117 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: Either. 118 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: Or we have this other dish called food and it's 119 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: like garbonzo beans. 120 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: Is that what it is? Or these are the girls. 121 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: It's another bean. I only know in Arabic it's fooled, 122 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: but like literally it's another bean. And with that one 123 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 2: you cook and that you have to cook that one. 124 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: This one is optional. 125 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: You cook it. 126 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: You can soak it every night. 127 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So for all y'all listeners, you can actually get 128 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: the bag, soak it overnight and then wake up put 129 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: it in a blunder. 130 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's think, let's get it very excited. 131 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: We ain't never had this dish ever in the history. 132 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: This is three seasons and we've never had anybody make 133 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: homemade humus. 134 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 3: Oh my god, this is so exciting. 135 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: It's so crazy because I would wake up in the morning, 136 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 2: like growing up, and then this would be like our breakfast, 137 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, and I hated it growing up, right, 138 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: I hated it, Like I was like I don't want that, 139 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: Like I don't want it. 140 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: And then because you ate it so much. 141 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you know, you were so used to it, 142 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: you know, you get so used to it and stuff. 143 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: And then I literally like then it became a viral sensation. 144 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: And then I was like that everywhere as home as 145 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: helmus hummus, and I'm like, as an Arabic girl, it's 146 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: the most interesting thing ever to see, you know what 147 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Because you're like, I would have never thought that, 148 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: like things like this would have been viral because I 149 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: was a little girl. 150 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: You just grow up like it's a part of you know. 151 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: What I'm saying. 152 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: It's like a part of the culture. It's like if 153 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: you're if you're a Jamaican and you eat like jerk chicken. 154 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: All yeah, well I don't even use jerk chicken. Yeah 155 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: something like who was it? Like Trevor Noah had a 156 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: joke about his friend that was Indian and his friend 157 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: like just hated eating different versions of curry every day, 158 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: and Trevor was like so annoyed with eating I think 159 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: just school lunch. So they would like trade or whatever, 160 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: because that kid was just like, I can't even look 161 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: at the curry. Dang. Okay, we're just kidding, all right, 162 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: were we only need one? 163 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: Need one anyway, We're gonna try it all out, okay, 164 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: so boom, but we got this stuff in here, the 165 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: chickpeas in here. We gotta throw in the olive oil, 166 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: of course, because. 167 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: It's how you know you a real cook. Right here. 168 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: She she didn't even pull out a measure and she 169 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: never was there's not even a measuring anything on the table. 170 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: She just took the olive oil and she just ran 171 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: it through. Okay, got it. She was signed a generous 172 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: for y'all listeners. She was generous the olive oil, okay. 173 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: And then when I was honestly, it would be cute 174 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: if we had like whatever, but we're just gonna throw 175 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: in these seasonings, like straight up this season. Okay, So 176 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: I love me some garlic. We gotta put the garlic 177 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: garlic powder. I would have loved to roast a garlic 178 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: and put in the fresh garlic nothing like it. But 179 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: since we don't have that, we're gonna just put in 180 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: the garlic powder. 181 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: And when you say you roast, what does roasting look like? 182 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: When I just put it on the stove and then 183 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: put it with some oil and. 184 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: Just like like almost like a saltee. Yeah, so it 185 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: has that like little. 186 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: I start getting my terminology for my cooking up. Oh 187 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: my goodness's yeah. I like, yeah, the onion garlic nothing 188 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: like it. Always we saw ta onion and garlic in 189 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: every dish too. 190 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: That's not always. 191 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: Onion, garlic and lemon. Ye. And you're and your first generation, 192 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: did you at all grow up in Palestine? 193 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: No? 194 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: Have you visited? 195 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: No? 196 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so my whole life Palestine has been more unfortunately, 197 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: you know, high family members go back there and you know, 198 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: just come back different. So it always gave me a 199 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: like damn, like I want to go back there so bad. 200 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: But you know, it's like there's traumatizing, it's traumatizing. 201 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom had a very traumatizing experience. 202 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: So I think that for me it was always like 203 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: I always have dreamed to go back, but I always 204 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: like in the right time one day, you know what 205 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: I mean, And that's like the dream and the goobo. 206 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: Now for me, it's like I love like going back 207 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: to any of the parts of the Middle East. Like 208 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: I stopped in Dubai and I was like, oh my god, 209 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, you just feel the vibe 210 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: because I feel like being in the Western world, being 211 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: in America, like it's so different when you go to 212 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: that side of the world, and I really haven't experienced 213 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: it as much as I need to, you know what 214 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like as much as I want to. And 215 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, like there's so many places right now out 216 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: there that are just so beautiful, soapopen and just so 217 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: like it that I haven't seen yet that I'm just 218 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: dying to see. But of course, like I want to 219 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: go back so bad, but I've never spent as much 220 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: like time there or anything. I went to Egypt when 221 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: I'm like sixteen with the family, and that was like 222 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 2: the closest thing I kind of got to it because 223 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: Egypt is right across you know, the water. But yeah, 224 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: that's it. And I one day, one day, god willing, 225 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: we'll be going back, you know what I mean? One 226 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: day that's the goal, because honestly, I'm not gonna lie. 227 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: It's such a we just want to, you know, you 228 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: want to experience the motherland. 229 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 3: You know what. 230 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I think it's I think it's important. 231 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: But I also understand as a Jamaican, I ain't been back, 232 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: and all my Jamaican friends like talk crap because they're like, 233 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: you've never been there and you're a Jamaican and dah 234 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: dah da da. I'm like, man, you hear all these 235 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: stories about stuff that may have happened in your family. 236 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: You like, I don't know if I'm ready to do that. 237 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: But now that I'm older, I'm like, yo, it's definitely 238 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: on my bucket list. But when I was younger, you 239 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: couldn't pay me to go back there because that was scary. 240 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: It was scary. Yeah, you hear all these stories. 241 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: But then now you're like, oh. 242 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: My god, I really want to go. 243 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah I want to. I want to. 244 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: I want to roots. 245 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, your roots exactly. 246 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: And that's what's so important, And honestly, a lot of 247 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: Arabs will do that to me too. They'll be like, 248 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: but you've never gone back or I speak Arabic, that's 249 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: my first language technically, oh okay, yeah, but it's very 250 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: like broken, like it's like we say Macusa, so it's 251 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: like it's like broken, like you know what I mean, 252 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: because it's americanized because I speak English so much. 253 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: Now do do the Palestine? Does the Arab culture judge 254 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: if you're you're your is it Arabic? 255 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 256 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: Is it? If it's like not perfect? Because I know 257 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: in the Spanish community they all judge. Yes, they discriminated. 258 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: The Arabs in the Latin community and the Arab basic 259 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: so much alike, like my mom's that's friend growing up 260 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: saying it's like Puerto Rican That's why I use like 261 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: Adobo Goyle products, Like I just like, you know, my 262 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: favorite food is Puerto Rican food technical because I'm just 263 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: like so obsessed with the whole Spanish culture period. But 264 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: I feel like it's the same way, like it's very 265 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: judgmental if you're not if you don't speak clear like 266 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: Spanish or clear Arabic, they're. 267 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: Like super judgments. 268 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: How you're saying no, No, they talk, you know, a lot 269 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 2: of crap. Yeah, it's the same way. And it's the 270 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: same way too, I know in the Latin community and 271 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: the Arab community of like if you're Puerto Rican and 272 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Dominican and yeah, it's a little different. 273 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Like you know, yeah, they'd be like, don't get it, 274 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: don't get it messed up, got it messed up. 275 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: It's the same thing with the Arabs. But honestly, for me, 276 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 2: like you know, now, for me, I love it all. 277 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: Like people think I'm Latino all the time and I'm 278 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: from New York, so I love it. I'm like, yeah, 279 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: oh they are all like what, like, I'm very much 280 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: so that, you know. So I feel like cause we're 281 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: so we're so like entertime. So me, I'm just like 282 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: if someone confused me for Latino, or someone confused me 283 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: for another Arab thing, I love it. 284 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: People get really offended by that. 285 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: They're like, don't do that, don't do that, I'm not 286 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: that or whatever, and I'm like whatever. 287 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: Like people will literally confuse me for Latino. They'll be like, yeah, 288 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican or they so I keep telling myself if 289 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: I learned Spanish, I'm claiming. 290 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: Noah, if you walk up on me and you're like, oh, 291 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: are you Puerto Rican. 292 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: If I know how to speak it, I'll be. 293 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: Like a Spanish country. 294 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: They they they start speaking to me in Spanish and 295 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: then I get by, but then it starts getting. 296 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: Mad real like busted. 297 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I really am not for real because my actient 298 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: be on place and they'll be like, oh, you speak Spanish, 299 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: just go in okay, But then I want to learn sometimes, 300 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: so when I go, like, I'll go because Mexico's right there, 301 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: So I'll go to Mexico, take a trip, and then 302 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: it's literally like well, they'll start speaking to you, and 303 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: then you're like, okay, teach me some Spanish. And then 304 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: they want to speak English. It's like no, no, no, 305 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: Like my aunt can do that to me too. They'll 306 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: speak to me in English and I'm speaking into them 307 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: Arabic and I'm like, speak to me in Arabic so 308 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: I can get my Arabic up, and then they start 309 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: speaking to me English. 310 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: I'm like they like, we don't have time to do this, yes, 311 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: like no, no. 312 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: No, don't play with us right now. Don't play with us. 313 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: I get that though, too, because whenever I'm around like 314 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: my Spanish friends. You know what I do. I tell 315 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: their kids. That's what I learned. If you go after 316 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: the kids, yeah, they're more likely to help you out 317 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: and be like, all right, could we could do this, 318 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: We could talk to you in Spanish, but adults always alike, yeah, 319 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: that's over. 320 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: It, like literally, and I'm like, well, I'm trying to 321 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: get my stuff up. You know, I don't got nobody 322 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: to practice with. You know what I'm saying. We out 323 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: here in La you know what I'm saying. But I 324 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: think even for my mom, I only speak to my 325 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 2: mom in Ah, so it's weird because then when I 326 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: speak to her in Arabic, I just feel so weird. 327 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: But some people speak to their parents in Arabic and 328 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: that's how they keep it up, you know what I mean. 329 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: Me, I've only spoken to my mom in English. 330 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: Like technically, we taught my mom English when she came 331 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: all out here to New York from Palisade, and she 332 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: just was just learning from like the like TV shows 333 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: and stuff, and then we were speaking only English. She's working, 334 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: and then that's how she learned English. So we, like 335 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: her kids like kind of told her English. 336 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: And that's a lot of it. 337 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: And how good is her English anything? Really? 338 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, she sounds like. 339 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 2: A New York like, you know, Middle Eastern woman, you know. 340 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: But you know from New York. I'm gonna be like 341 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: hitting you up when I'm on that side, Like, well, 342 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: I was saying, take me back to what was going 343 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: on in the era of you eating hummus to not survive, 344 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: but you know, in the times of just take me 345 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: back to what was going on during the time of 346 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: eating and making homemade hummus. 347 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: You know, I feel like, for me, it's really crazy 348 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: because like you know, when you're a kid, you like 349 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: just you just take so many things like for granted, 350 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And I feel like even 351 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: like things like this, it's like, you know, yeah, like 352 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: I guess it's this is just such a cheap meal 353 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: that you can make no matter what, no matter cause 354 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: I grew up in Brooklyn, Like I was born in Brooklyn, 355 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: New York. You know, Sunset Park, Brooklyn, New York, which 356 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: is a very Latin community. And when I was a teenager, 357 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: my mom she started a business, and my mom my 358 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: stepdad they started a business together. So it started kind 359 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: of like we experienced being very broke, having no money, 360 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: living in like a two bedroom apartment in Brooklyn. You 361 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, having no money, like literally like 362 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: small two bedroom apartment building. 363 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: And how many siblings do you have? 364 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: I have three, but at the time, it was just 365 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: me and my older brother. Okay, so I have a 366 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: little brother and little sister as well. They're my like babies. 367 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: My siblings are my everything. But me and my older 368 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: brother was just us at the time. And then my 369 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: little brother was born and then we wounded up when 370 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: I was around a teenage, like around there in New York. 371 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: When you start when you're like like living in New York, 372 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: you either are broke or you got money. Period, either broke. 373 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: There is no real class and if you're able to 374 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: live in New York City, you're either broke you got money. 375 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: So we were just broke. 376 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: So when my mom started her business when I was 377 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: a teenager, because she was my mom was really a 378 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: self made woman. 379 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Like she sounds like she came by herself. 380 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: She came by herself with my father oka and yeah, 381 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: like it didn't unfortunately work out with my father, so 382 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: then you know, like her she met my stepfather and 383 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: it was kind of like my mom was Christian. 384 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: My father and my stepfather were both Muslim Arab men. 385 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: So I mean my mom being a coming to America 386 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: and having to work and figure it out and having 387 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: both parents having to you know, it's hard, you know, 388 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: and it kind of I saw my mom really like 389 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: for her kids go so hard and figure it out. 390 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: Like she was working at supermarkets in Brooklyn, like working 391 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: at you know, like arrest someone else's restaurant, working on 392 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: wherever she could work to figure it out and make 393 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: the money for her kids. And you know, then she started, 394 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: her and my steps id were working for this person 395 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: that was in this business, and they figured out the business. 396 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: And then my mom was like, I could do this. 397 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: So then she was like I could do this on 398 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: my own. I'm gonna do it, you know what I'm saying. 399 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: And then you know, I'm a kid, so I don't 400 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: know what's going on, and she just like and she 401 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: was basically by herself in America. Her family was like 402 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: in Palasine or around the world, you know, like and 403 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: her my mom being Christian, my father being Muslim. Marrying 404 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: each other was a very Romeo Juliette story, like it 405 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: was like forbidden, you know, so like they fell in love. 406 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: But of course moving to America and Brooklyn, New York, 407 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: you know a lot, it was a different thing. Yeah, 408 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: it was different era, Like it was hard, it was 409 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: too hard. So but my mom had that really like 410 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: she's like the ultimate. She's like my biggest inspiration. She's 411 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: such a self made iconic woman to me because I 412 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: saw her really figure it out. You know, we were 413 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: like so broke living in Brooklyn. I was always a 414 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: broke friend, you know what I mean. I was always like, 415 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: had no money, no nothing, like you know, I remember 416 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: going to like the grocery store, going anywhere and being 417 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: so jealous or being so jealous of my rich friends. 418 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: Like god, I wish I was whatever I had. 419 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: More, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And then when 420 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: my mom started her business when I was a teenager, 421 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: like it didn't really start doing well, and then it 422 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: started doing well. Out of nowhere, we moved to Connecticut. 423 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: So in New York, you know, most people. 424 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: Either moved to Connecticut, or they moved to Jersey, or 425 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: they moved to Long Island, or they moved out of 426 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: New York unless you got money, like ye to afford 427 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: New York. And if you want to afford New York. 428 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: But so we moved to Connecticut, and as a teenager, 429 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: my whole world changed. Like it was like what the 430 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: heck is going on? You know what I mean? 431 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: And at the time I was like so not with it. 432 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: But then when after it happened, it was like I 433 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: don't know everything kind of like, yeah, everything started changing 434 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: and I experienced a different life in Connecticut, Like I 435 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: was now the friend that had more money. 436 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: You know, and and more space, right, did get stuff? 437 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: Yes? 438 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: And when yeah, Like it was kind of like a 439 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: thing where it was like you experience how people like 440 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 2: change with you, how people like when I didn't have money, 441 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: they treat you away, and then when you start having 442 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: some like some like people start, it's like different. But 443 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: it's like it was always like I was always like 444 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: as a kid, I was like I wanted people to 445 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: like me so hard and so bad. So when I 446 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: didn't have the money, you know, I was always like, oh, 447 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: I want more, I want more, I want more. And 448 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 2: then when I had more, you start realizing that people 449 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: might not always want to know you or to be 450 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: friends with you for you. They might just be doing 451 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: that for what you have. Yea you know, so it 452 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 2: was weird, but I experienced both, and I am so 453 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: thankful now as an adult that I get to experience both. 454 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: And then as an adult, I experienced both having no 455 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying and. 456 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: Having you know what I mean. 457 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: So it's like good to experience both so you really 458 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: realize things of you know what I mean. 459 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: People like Dinnell did that also, Like was there difficult 460 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: like friendship dynamics with that change. 461 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the friendship dynamics were always really challenging for me 462 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: because like it was like I always had a lot 463 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: of friends, I was always really popular, I was always 464 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: really pop, and I was always that. But it was 465 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: really hard for me to like I had like a 466 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: like you know, like you know, having immigrant parents and 467 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: this that they were figuring it out. It was a 468 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: hard family life. So I always went out and seek 469 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: that validation from my friends and seek that validation. And 470 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: I feel like movie to Kataga was the hardest thing 471 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: ever because I was the only Arabic girl. 472 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: Next question, and then there was a period. We all 473 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: know this period. 474 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: You feel me, Okay, we got I don't. 475 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: Even I don't know how to safely say this in 476 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: the right words. But there was a period where America 477 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: was I would say discriminatory towards Arabs of You know 478 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: after around nine to eleven. You're from New York where 479 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: you and you were during that did you have to 480 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: like come face to face with any of that even 481 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: though you don't don't fully look have the look or 482 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: did you have the look or what was that experience? 483 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: Like you know what, I'm not gonna lie, like being 484 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, New York is such a melting pot and 485 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: it's the most magical place in the world to me, 486 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: Like I've been so many places in the world, there's 487 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: nothing like New York. I love it more than like anything, 488 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 2: you know, there's nothing like it because it's like it's 489 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: such a melting pot. I never felt like I was different, 490 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: even when you know, of course being the money thing 491 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: makes you feel different in New York, you know, having money, 492 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: not having money, and that experience is what makes it different. 493 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: But the color of your skin, your religion, anything, it 494 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Like my mom's best friend was Puerto Rican, 495 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: her other best friend was Jewish. My mom's Palestinian, Like 496 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 2: it was never a thing, you know, but then and 497 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: you know, her Jewish friend was married to a Dominican guy. 498 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like it was real 499 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: New York, New York stuff, you know what I'm saying. 500 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 3: So it's just it's really like that. 501 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: So of course when you when I moved to Connecticut 502 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: is when I really started experiencing real discrimination, real because. 503 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: Isn't Connecticut is I would say, it's more white? 504 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 4: Was this absolutely, so I would experience real discrimination amongst 505 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 4: black white community, which in America is a real thing, 506 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 4: you know. 507 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: And I would really. 508 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: Experience it in places like Connecticut, like you really smaller 509 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: towns is where you really start seeing like, oh there's 510 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: still racism, Like it's still a real thing. It's still 511 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: white privileges still, you know. And I got to experience that. 512 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: And then also me being like the only Arab thing 513 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: to hit the you know, at the time, to hit 514 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: the town. It was intense, Like I feel it before, 515 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: it was around that time, and it was like it 516 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: was really hard because I feel like for me not 517 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: being not looking like that, it was like not wearing 518 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: the full scarf, but I would like family members that 519 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: would wear the scarf and stuff like I would experience 520 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: and see what they would go through and it would 521 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: really bother me, you know, like they would get real 522 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: hate for wearing the scarf, like real hate, real discriminate, real, 523 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: real hate speech and all that, and I would be 524 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: like yo, and I would get mad, like yeah, I'm 525 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: still a New York girl. 526 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: So I would be like, yeah, what's up? 527 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 528 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 529 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah about the way I got to, like for real, 530 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: like go go go. Then you holding me back because 531 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you. 532 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: Know you got you ready, I feel your whole energy. 533 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 2: But like when it comes to people I love, like 534 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm like I'm gonna step you know what I'm saying, 535 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: Like it's like like you're about to you know what 536 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Like none of that. I don't like any 537 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: discrimination or any racism around me, you know what I mean, 538 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: because it's just like I have, like coming being a 539 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: New York girl. I remember growing up, my best friend 540 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: group was literally every single race, you know, black, White, Chinese, Asian, Africa, everything. 541 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: So it's like that's all I ever knew. So when 542 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: I started experiencing discrimination, it was like such a foreign. 543 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: Thing to me. 544 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, it's like it 545 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: was never a thing that I could accept a like 546 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: or anything. And even now it's like never, I just 547 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: don't stand for any of that. So and I think 548 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: that that's that's that's really been a part of why 549 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 2: I'm and I just love culture so much that the like, 550 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: even though I'm a hundredsent Palinian, I'm such a blend 551 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: of cultures. And I think that that's in New York 552 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: and me, and that's what I'm so proud of. The 553 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: Connecticut to me was like, yeah, it's good to experience 554 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: small town things that I can relate to literally anyone, 555 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 2: which is an amazing thing. Like, yes, small town mentality, 556 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: small town people, I can relate to, big city people 557 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: I can relate to you know what I mean, Like 558 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: I can relate to anything because of that, you know. 559 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, that that is definitely a real thing. Especially 560 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: in America. Small towns are definitely experiencing a lot of racism. 561 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, they are, I one hundred percent agree in 562 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: small towns especially I hate, I hate to say this, 563 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: especially with small white towns. Yeah, Like I don't know 564 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: how it is, like because some of the interviews, when 565 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: we interview some of the guys from the South or Atlanta, 566 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, they definitely paint a picture, but I would 567 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: imagine that environment's majority black with sprinkles of white. But 568 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: but I definitely I went to Upstate New York when 569 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: our family couldn't afford the city life, and yeah, it 570 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: was like, uh, it was like it wasn't fun, it was. 571 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: It was actually that I think the first time I 572 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: ever heard the N word. Yeah, that was the first 573 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: time I see my mom get called innward and I 574 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: was like, what is that? I was really young, like 575 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: y so means her And that was when my parents 576 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is what racism is, and 577 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: you gotta go almost above and beyond to like break 578 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: that stereotype, to retrain what has been taught. But now 579 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: you grow up in this household, you're eating the hummus, 580 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: which I'm guessing all the stuff is in there, so 581 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: all it has to be blended. 582 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: Okay, ready to be blended and see what's up? 583 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: So where on this journey does music enter the scene? 584 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: Ooh, I love that question. 585 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So music was always a heavy part of my life, 586 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: Like I in the first grade living in Brooklyn because Brooklyn, 587 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: New York is the creative capital to me, like it's 588 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: like creativity galore. You know. So I was in band 589 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: and chorus, like in the first grade, I played cheer 590 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: like that was my first thing. 591 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: Like I was okay, like literally, I've just seen Share 592 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: by the Way Life performance and it was. 593 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 2: Iconic, like she's, yeah, the goddess and she's just like everything. 594 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: But I didn't know that as a little girl. 595 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: They just had me saying I got you, babe with 596 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: and my my partner Newton at the time, he was 597 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: sunny and he was he was a black boy, but 598 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: you know, it's yeah, but whatever. It was like we 599 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: did it and it was so it was like I 600 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: just remember that being my first performance and the thrill 601 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: that that gave me. And I was in the first 602 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: grade and like growing up Arab Also, my mom was 603 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: Christian convert and my so I was raised mostly Muslim, 604 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: so and I identified with both, like got both religions. 605 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm all, I love God period, but because I love Jesus, 606 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: I went to church. I went to Catholic school, but 607 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: I love the Islam religion so much, so I say 608 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: prayers and both. I could pray both. I love both 609 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: all the things. But for me, it was kind of 610 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: like very very forbidden to do anything like that music creative, 611 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: Oh is forbidden. You can't be half naked, you can't 612 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: be on the stage, you can't be there's. 613 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: Music is hot has well? Looking at your stuff? Now, 614 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: I'm guessing everything has evolved drastically things just. 615 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: Like I have. I was a rebel, but now I'm 616 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: a rebel with purpose, you know. 617 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: Okay? Oh I like that? Okay, there did you just 618 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: come up with? 619 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: There? 620 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: You've been saying that, but like I think I just 621 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: said it that. I want to see that from that one. Okay, 622 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: I got it. Rebel with purpose like it's real life. 623 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: It really is. It really is, but like honestly, because 624 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: the rebel with purpose is a real thing because I 625 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: was a very rebellious child. Like I was very like 626 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: went against the grain. Wasn't allowed to drink and smoking 627 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: and strain and smoking. It wasn't allowed to dress the 628 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: herd stress how I wanted. 629 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: You were your mom's worst night my. 630 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: Mom's worst nightmare, my mom's worst nightmare. And I love 631 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 2: my mom so much. I love my mom. 632 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: She saw this, she would be sitting here like she knows, 633 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: she knows it. 634 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: She's am I staying again sometimes but whatever, she loves me. 635 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: But you know, it's like whatever, like if at the time, 636 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: it took a long time to get my mom support 637 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: on the music thing. That took a long time because 638 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: when I first started deciding to do music, I remember 639 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: it was always something I've jumped of doing. But when 640 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: I decided to do it, everybody hated. Everybody was against it. 641 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: And how old were you at that time? 642 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: I decided I was going to do music at like seventeen, 643 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: Like I'm. 644 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, they are scared to death. They like, wait, 645 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: no college? 646 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah music? 647 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, you were killing people. It's one 648 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: thing when you say it at twelve, it's another thing. House. 649 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, I said it at seventeen, and I went 650 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: for it. I went, I decided. I went for it, 651 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: Like it was so fast. I decided and I went 652 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: for it so quickly. 653 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: What did going for it look like? 654 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: Like? I just like I remember with it. By the 655 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 2: time I was eighteen, I tried out for X Factor. 656 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: I got a vocal coach. I wounded up moving back 657 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: to New York. I got an internship wait where were you? 658 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Oh? From Kinetics six to New York. 659 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: Go back to New York. I got an internship with 660 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: Death Trip You weren't playing. I was not playing around 661 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: when I decided music was what I was going to do. 662 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: And because I always I wanted to figure out what 663 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: I was gonna do with the rest of my life, 664 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: I was like having to go to school, go to college. 665 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 2: And then my little sister, you know, she's like my baby, 666 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: and she was born and she changed my life. 667 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: She gave me like reason, like it was like this 668 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: little girl hilarious. Yeah, nobody ever says that about the 669 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: little sister. Yeah, nobody said. I love my little brother 670 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: and I look up to him now even though he's 671 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: like thirty, but I had never looked at him and said, 672 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: you give me purpose. 673 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: No, she gave me purpose. 674 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: She gave me life. She really did. She really did. 675 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: Like and then we named her like Jenna. 676 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: We look at you, how old were you when she 677 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: was born. I was like around at sixteen seventeen, Like, 678 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: oh you were around that was around that age? 679 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: Okay, she really So. 680 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: You gots a weigh in on the naming and everything. 681 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: Naming and I had a saying it because Jenna and 682 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: Arabic Jennah means heaven, so Jennah. So that's why I 683 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, that's her name, because she's my heaven. 684 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: And like literally she. 685 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: Were you and were you? You were the youngest before her. 686 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: I have a little brother too, so he was born 687 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: like right before he moved to Connecticut. 688 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying it was you and your older brother. 689 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah he was older. Yeah, so technically she broke the 690 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: spell of you being the youngest. 691 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: No, it was older brother, me, little brother her. 692 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So it was like two said, wow, what makes 693 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: her so special? 694 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: She's just like I always wanted the sister. And then 695 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: it took a long time, but then when I got it, 696 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: and then she looked exactly like me, and it was like, literally, 697 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: this is like my inner child in real life. 698 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 699 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: So you know when you're like, I'm healing my inner 700 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: child in real life, Like I see her and she 701 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: looks exactly like me. Like even now, like she looks 702 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: a little different, but she looks exactly. She looks like 703 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: she could be my kid. Everyone always thought she was 704 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: my kid. I would walk around and she was my kid. 705 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's like a whole thing. Yeah, it was 706 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: so dope like she and she was you know, it 707 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: was kind of like being an Arabic American woman. I 708 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: went through so much as a woman, and I feel 709 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: like I just didn't want her to go through so 710 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: many things that I went through, and I feel like 711 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: like inside outside anything, I just so my purpose was 712 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: like I have to protect her and I want to 713 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: make I want to change. 714 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: What are some all the things that you had to 715 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: go through? If it's okay for you to say and 716 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: comfortable say as a woman that you would go as 717 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: far as to say, I don't want her to experiences like, 718 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: what were those experiences? 719 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: I think an immense amount of abuse and suppression and 720 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: just things that I think every woman goes through, no 721 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: matter who you are or what race you are. But 722 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: I think that being raised the way that I was 723 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: raised and being in like I think the amount of 724 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: pressure that I had on me to be a certain way, 725 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: not being that way, the amount of names I would called, 726 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: the amount of abuse physical abuse. I went through a 727 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: lot of like I went through sexual abuse. I went 728 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: through so much abuse and allowing things that like as 729 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: a kid or as a young adult, or things that 730 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: I just shouldn't have ever allowed or wouldn't her are 731 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: allowed as an adult now, wish that didn't have happened 732 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: to me or wish that I had more protection, you know. 733 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: So it became a thing for me to want to 734 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: protect her and protect younger girls period, like if I 735 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: can be a stronger person and a stronger voice so 736 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 2: that they don't be cause for me, it was a 737 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: lot of especially as a child. I was a pretty 738 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: young girl, so I had to I got a lot 739 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: of things and didn't have the right amount of protection 740 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: that I feel like I wish that I had, you know. 741 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: And it was kind of like an unfortunate thing that 742 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: just you know, for me, Like I've had so much 743 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: healing from you know, and I think one day I'll 744 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: be able to fully open up and talk about it. 745 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: But I think as a woman, especially with any form 746 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: of sexual abuse, especially as a child, I think it 747 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: affects you for the rest of your life. 748 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's in my personal opinion, it is 749 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: the worst form of abuse. The second would probably be 750 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: mental and third would be physical. Old the irony isn't 751 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: that weird, And I think it's just because to unpack 752 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: that wound, it's not like a bruise that you kind 753 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: of like work through and it goes away like that 754 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: wound is just time and a lot of digging if 755 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: you even want to dig, if you want. Your body 756 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: usually will protect itself, especially when you're young. It like 757 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: hides it or blocks it. 758 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: Right. 759 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: But it's interesting to say that because one of the 760 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: questions I wanted to like kind of touch on is 761 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: if your mom was working as much as you say 762 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: she was, Like who was actually taking care of you 763 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: and your brother? 764 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean, she was the luckily thing about the business 765 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: that she started when she was able to be present, 766 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: and she her side of the business was homeworking, so 767 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: she worked out of the house, so she was able 768 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: to be very present. 769 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: So that was great, But before that she probably wasn't 770 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: right when she was grinding like that. Yeah, because I 771 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: was like, hm, when when she first came here, it 772 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: sounded like it was a lot of pressure. Yeah, but 773 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: it's cool that she saw an opportunity where she could 774 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: do both if you think about it like that, Like 775 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: she was like, I could raise my kids and bust 776 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: my and make this money. And she chose that route 777 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: the second she could, which kudos to her. 778 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and my mom has tried likes as you know, 779 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: being I feel like being a mother in America, raising 780 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: kids right now and for the last twenty thirty forty 781 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: years is so hard, Like you know, it's so hard 782 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: whether you're single or in a relationship or married or whatever, 783 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: like and being a father as well is really hard. 784 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: But mothers, I feel like, take on like ten times, 785 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: like we have this whole, Like my mom took on 786 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: ten times the stress and probably you know what I mean, 787 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: that pressure, and ten times that that want to like 788 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: I just want to do good for. 789 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: My kids exactly like that driving. 790 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 2: That driving factor, you know what I mean. And I 791 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: feel like I have only understood that from my the 792 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: love that I have for my sister because I don't 793 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: have kids yet, and for the love that I for 794 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: my family. But that intense love, that intense like yeah, 795 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: my mother has. Yeah, she always was that and I'm 796 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: so blessed to have that. And she tried her best 797 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: and no matter what I feel. 798 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: Like you even would have reveled with purpose, she tried 799 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: her best. 800 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 2: No, I love you, I want, but like I you know, 801 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: I think that there was a lot that you know, 802 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: when you're a rebel and you're dealing with all these 803 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: things and you're dealing with the abuse, you do it. 804 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: And then that's probably where the rebels. 805 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because I just didn't feel like, you know, 806 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: you're running away. I was running away from my traumas. 807 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: I didn't want to deal with it. And then as 808 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: an adult, you just have to. It just hits you 809 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 2: face on. You just start experiencing your trauma and other 810 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: people you just start projecting your traumas or whatever, and 811 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: it's not a thing. So I think for me, like 812 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: healing became like the essential thing because I feel like 813 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 2: with all of those with all of that trauma, I 814 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 2: feel like, you know, you never really understand like why 815 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: until you become an adult and then you talk to 816 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: other people who go through it or you're like, damn, okay, 817 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: this is why. Like we all go through the same things. Yeah, 818 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: it's crazy, like we really do well and we all 819 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 2: get out of it the same way, and we're all 820 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 2: kind of the same and that's what makes us so connected, 821 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 822 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: So I love listening to people's stories. I don't know why, 823 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: but I love like all the hoarding and addiction shows 824 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: because you just never you know. I think also like 825 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: growing up in New York, you see, like my parents 826 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: the way they got us. Somehow they successfully got four 827 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: kids to not do drugs really, and it was just 828 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: like going around New York and be like, you know 829 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: that heroin Addicts was a doctor. At some point they 830 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: just smoked a cigarette and just ended up a heroin. 831 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: But after watching these shows, you realize, you know, the 832 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: overall theme in a lot of the shows was like 833 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: mishandled trauma. You'd have a kid that was like a 834 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: varsity student or was doing well, and it was like 835 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: a mishandled trauma. Maybe the mom didn't believe the abuse happened, 836 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: or you know, they kind of brushed it off, or 837 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: they said, hey, if you didn't sneak out at night, 838 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: maybe this didn't happen. It was always like just one 839 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: mishandled like trauma and that spiraled into like a pivot 840 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. And and obviously I love people's stories, so 841 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: I not I think about it makes sense that I'm 842 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: obsessed with these shows. But but yeah, it's always a 843 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: mishandled trauma that kind of lead you in the wrong 844 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: lead you yeah, kind of go, this person was going 845 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: straight and then it was a mishandled trauma. 846 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 2: That's so crazy that you shay that too. Because I 847 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: was just watching this Simon Bios doc. 848 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 1: I want to see it so bad. 849 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good. 850 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: I won her on the show by the way. 851 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 2: Oh it was so good. God Willing. You know, it's 852 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: kind of happened everything, but it's really good. But it 853 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: was so good. It's so good. I mean, there's still 854 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: more episodes of Think coming, but she it is that 855 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 2: and it's like trauma catches up to you and then 856 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 2: it's like this whole thing that you're the mental health 857 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: thing is like a very real thing, and like it's 858 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 2: you know, the deterioration of it from the trauma and 859 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: the abuse is a very real thing, you know. And 860 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: I feel like for me, I also got diagnosed with 861 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: multiple sclerosis. 862 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to touch on that. Yeah, yeah, look 863 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: like because I hear the term. 864 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: Alt oh man what oh shoot, Well, yeah, here's the thing. 865 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: I make it look very good. But it fucking sucks. Sorry, 866 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm not supposed to be cursing. 867 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: It sucks. It really does. I'm not gonna lie. 868 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 2: Like I in the beginning was like really like positive 869 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: and happy and it's a blessing. Another thing that I 870 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: feel like all these things Finally I've realized, like, you 871 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 2: have to talk about it, you have to use it 872 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: because everyone is going through something. Everyone is going through 873 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: something or their family member or something, so it's so important. 874 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 2: But the reality of it is is, yeah, having a Yeah, 875 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 2: a disease, no matter what kind. 876 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: It sucks, and it's multiples. 877 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: It's an autoimmune, it's a it's autoimmune. It's a sister. 878 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 2: It's basically a sister disease kind of to lupus. So, 879 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 2: and it's kind of likeli or something. People think about 880 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: that a lot. No, it's okay, but it's kind of 881 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 2: the same thing in a similar name, but different. So 882 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: it's it's it's more of an internal thing. It's your 883 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 2: immune system. Uh, it's compromised. Immune system is attacking nervous system. 884 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: Lupus is immune system is attacking joints and organs. MS 885 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 2: system is attacking nervous system, So nervous system is compromised 886 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 2: as well. So I mean, it's just like your spy 887 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 2: and your brain. And you know, you can live with 888 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: the disease forever as long as it's regulated and as 889 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 2: long as you never get attacks. So when I got diagnosed, 890 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 2: I had an optic nerve attack, I started losing my 891 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: vision in my left eye. Yeah, scary. It was the 892 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: scariest thing in my life. And then I was on 893 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 2: stereod treatment. I got cured one hundred percent, thank god. 894 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: And then now I'm on a treat and a great 895 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 2: treatment that has kept me one hundred percent regulated where 896 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 2: I don't get any attacks, where I'm very healthy. I'm 897 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 2: very great. 898 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: But you have beautiful, stunning eyes, like you have really 899 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: great eyes. 900 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: No, it was the worst thing of my life. Like 901 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: I was like what And it was like you almost 902 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 2: felt I almost felt like like that beauty thing it 903 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 2: was gone because I feel like I was like cross 904 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 2: eyed and I was like, oh my god, I'm not 905 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 2: beautiful anymore. And it changes your values because you're like 906 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 2: with or without you know, the internal beauty that stuff, 907 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 2: so like you got to be internally beautiful, so you know, 908 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 2: But I feel like for me, it was it was 909 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 2: it was a crazy experience. I wasn't able to talk 910 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 2: about it for a long time. And now I've been 911 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 2: dealing it with it for so long and it doesn't 912 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: get easier. You just kind of get better at it, 913 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, yea, And it is a very much so 914 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 2: like I deal with. 915 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 3: A lot of anxiety and depression. 916 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: I've dealt with a lot of anxiety and depression, and 917 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: that's been my That's that we all do. Everyone who 918 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 2: has that deals with it, and that's like the good. 919 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: Like if you have anxiety with it, it comes with it. 920 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: And then if you have anxiety and depression, that's good. 921 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: That's good as long as you don't end up in 922 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 2: a wheelchair, you know what I mean, because there are 923 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 2: people who literally in a wheelchair. Unfortunately, this disease immobilizes 924 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: you completely, or it can. But now with the advanced technology, 925 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: it can it can. 926 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: Oh there's a chance that it won't. 927 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: Yes, no, there's now with advanced technology. It like it's 928 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 2: very very very rare because the technology is to advance 929 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 2: my doctors, you know, I've been going to cedars us 930 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 2: see like these great places. I went to Yale, Harvard, like, 931 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: I went to like the best doctors, so these doc 932 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 2: because I've been super interested in not only like you know, 933 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 2: and finding a cure for it, because there is there 934 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: is a cure for everything. And I feel like for me, 935 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: it's been like you know, learning, I've been getting more 936 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 2: involved with the MS society and going to more events 937 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: and getting more involved the fundraising events, and we're like, 938 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: they're raising so much more money for research and for 939 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: all the things, and it's so advanced with all the technology, 940 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 2: with all the research that it's so regulated. Like I 941 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 2: am doing amazing, Like I am doing better and thank god, 942 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: Like I. 943 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: Worked so hard for you when you were diagnosed. 944 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: I was like twenty one. Wow, it was like really 945 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 2: like I went on my first national tours when everything 946 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: happened for me so fast. Yeah, it was crazy. I 947 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 2: started doing music, I got internship, then I started, I 948 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 2: went on then Boom. Then I went on my first 949 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 2: national tour. 950 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: How soon after you started the internship and for two years? 951 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: Two years so my first national tour and. 952 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: You moved Who did you move to New York with? 953 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 3: By myself and my best friend. 954 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: Oh he was oh he was giving your mom straight heart. 955 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, Souker took her good 956 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 2: until the tour started and stuff. And then I was 957 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 2: on tour and doing a national tour. Postone this she 958 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, okay, now you do something. 959 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: And did you have a deal when you got the tour? 960 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in I was in a I was 961 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 2: in a deal, but it wasn't the best of deals. 962 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: Of course, the first deals are never the best. Worst 963 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: in the when you're young. Oh yeah, I don't think 964 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: I've ever made. 965 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: They got me, they had me. Yeah, they had me, 966 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: they had me. But you know, I'm free, honey. So 967 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 2: but like I'm not gonna lie, you know. And I've 968 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 2: signed deal since and it's been great. But like, honestly, yeah, 969 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 2: as a new artist, you don't know nothing anything. I 970 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 2: knew nothing, and I didn't have anybody in the industry 971 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 2: like parents or anything, so I really didn't know. 972 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: I had to like really like build like did you 973 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: have to deal with like the when I'm say, the 974 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: toxic masculinity? 975 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 3: Come on, let's talk about it. 976 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 2: I love these conversations. 977 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: I've been in the industry and this is why. 978 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, like this is Yeah, we have to 979 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 2: talk about it more because I feel like it is 980 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 2: like it's it's a disease in and of itself, Like. 981 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you have to be like it. 982 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: There's no rule book that comes with this game, right, No, 983 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: there's a beautiful, attractive girl that has her eye on 984 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: the prize and. 985 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 2: Then you have to navigate through a masculine yary sharkwaters. 986 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: You're in shark shark, and you got to convince the 987 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: sharks that you're not, because I don't even notice even 988 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: with this show, they'll be like, what's the numbers? Looking like, Yeah, 989 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: it don't matter. If you have a million good things, 990 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: they still that's to them. Is the verification or is 991 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: it more important because you can touch base with your fans? 992 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: Which one is do you think is more important as 993 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: an artist? 994 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: I think it's like a little bit of both, But 995 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 2: I think that touching the fans is the most important thing. 996 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 3: Honestly. 997 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 2: I think like with appeasing like these those kinds of people, 998 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 2: they're only appeased when you're like really moving an audience anyway, 999 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 2: you know, So you got to move the audience. They're 1000 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 2: never a piece. It's never enough, like a million, a 1001 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 2: million villowers, Well, why don't you have ten million? This 1002 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 2: person has fifty million. 1003 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: You're well over three, so you're good, you know what 1004 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean? It would be crazy that if people are 1005 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: still coming to you're like, well, where where's that five? 1006 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 2: No, it is that or it's like literally or nowadays 1007 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 2: it's like you got to have those kinds of numbers 1008 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 2: across the whole board, you know what I. 1009 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: Mean, like like on every plate, on every. 1010 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 2: Platform, and it's like, okay, like be realistic, you know 1011 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 2: what I mean. 1012 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: Also, I think Country Wayne had said it best, like, 1013 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think there was a period where he 1014 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: had Facebook following but not the other followings. But Facebook 1015 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: following was that older demo that actually spent money, right 1016 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: and like you know, really pulled. 1017 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, like Facebook started monetizing 1018 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 2: and faces started you make money on Facebook. Now you 1019 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 2: can make money through Facebook and Instagram. So then it's 1020 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 2: like all these platforms change and it's just like it's 1021 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 2: so interesting and it's like okay, so I feel like 1022 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 2: that's what's It's like this weird thing that you kind 1023 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 2: of always have to keep balancing out. It's like, okay, 1024 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 2: I gotta focus on this posting. For me, I'm always 1025 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 2: trying to find that balance because it's always like, you know, 1026 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 2: when I started building the social media I started becoming 1027 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 2: the social media influencer. But it's like I was doing 1028 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 2: music and on tour Billboard first, I just started have 1029 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 2: to start doing this because it was like you have 1030 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 2: to do this as the part of the whole thing. 1031 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 2: You know, you have to post and this and that, 1032 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 2: and people got to know what you're doing. People want 1033 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 2: to know everything about you nowadays. And it's not that 1034 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,879 Speaker 2: you don't want people to know everything about you. It's 1035 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 2: just that when you're doing music and you're doing something 1036 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 2: like you want people to focus on that. 1037 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the music is your body of work, and 1038 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: it's the closest it's actually your vulnerability right there. 1039 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 2: Right. 1040 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: Social media is a different visual more self short term 1041 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: visual form. It's got to be. They're really two different worlds. 1042 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: But I'm glad to hear that you were able to 1043 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: like conquer that second one. That second one is a beast. 1044 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. It was like definitely like it's 1045 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 2: still constantly like figuring it out. Oh you know what 1046 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 2: I mean, because once you build, like you constantly figure 1047 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 2: out algorithms, the way the platform is set up, what 1048 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 2: they're doing with the platform on their end, you know, 1049 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 2: because you build this following and then it's like you 1050 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: build it and then you kind of god got to 1051 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: keep going and you know, revamping it and things. So 1052 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 2: I think it's a learning process. But I've been I've 1053 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 2: been on some lately like like, you know, be patient 1054 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 2: with your process because yeah, you know what I mean, 1055 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 2: because like like at some points it is a lot 1056 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 2: of pressure and you kind of become like like, oh, 1057 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 2: like I'm trying to get to this next milestone this list. 1058 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 2: But then it's just like just be patient with that 1059 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 2: because you will get there and it will happen. But 1060 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 2: just at least I've been trying to at least enjoy 1061 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,800 Speaker 2: the process, because you know, in this industry it's hard, 1062 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 2: like everybody's there's always something more you have to do. 1063 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: There's another metric and another another. 1064 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 2: Goal posted on the metric, and then you never really 1065 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: get to enjoy the moment and what's going on in 1066 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 2: the moment. And I think sometimes it's like that's what 1067 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 2: I've been trying to do because I've learned and I 1068 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 2: realized like, oh, I'm trying to get to this level, 1069 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 2: but then this person is trying to get to my level, 1070 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 2: and you not even enjoying this. Sohole. 1071 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: You know, My dad had pointed that out when I 1072 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: was younger. I had a company it was like magazine 1073 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: for ten years, and I would cry him if I 1074 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: got a parking ticket. I'd be like, Dad, I'm ready 1075 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: jump off a bridge. I got a twenty dollars parking ticket. 1076 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 3: I can't do it. 1077 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: That's real, And my dad would be like I think 1078 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: it was my dad and my business partner at the 1079 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: time who was like, m you need to start taking 1080 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: five minutes, even if we're at a major show that 1081 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 1: you produce. Take five minutes. Take it all in. Don't 1082 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: even work, don't even say nothing. To take it all in. 1083 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: But my dad came up with this idea where and 1084 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: I still have it in my house. If you go 1085 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: in my house, I don't do it all over my walls. 1086 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: I call it the Wall of Fame, which is like 1087 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: just it's a hallway because I have a lot of 1088 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: stairs and I just put really hard accomplishments on there. 1089 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: It's literally ill. It's random posters or whatever, and it's 1090 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 1: just the wall of fame. And it's not like in 1091 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: your face, like, hey, this is who I am. But 1092 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: if you were to walk the stairs in my house, 1093 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: there is literally like the wall of fame minutes the 1094 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,839 Speaker 1: most random, hardest shit that I ever set my mind on. 1095 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: And I actually pulled it off, you know. I put 1096 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: it up there and I don't really look at it, 1097 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: but I know it's there. And my dad was like, 1098 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: you're getting to the point where the goalpost moves so 1099 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: much and you're hitting these goals, but you're not even 1100 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: realizing you're not even taking it. You don't even take 1101 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: one second to take it in. So that's when a 1102 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: twenty dollars or one rejection or one cancelation, you're ready 1103 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: to quit because you forgot this wall of fame of accomplishment. 1104 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 2: That's so true too, because I feel like I'm not 1105 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 2: gonna lie like like you have to kind of like 1106 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 2: sometimes when I have those moments, I try to. I've 1107 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 2: been trying to talk to the right people too, because 1108 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 2: you know, when you're in that moment, you can talk 1109 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 2: to the right person who can like literally give you 1110 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 2: that affirmation and give you that reminder like that, like 1111 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 2: remember what you accomplished, remember how much, Remember how far 1112 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 2: you've come, Remember when you started, like those little reminders, 1113 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 2: or you could talk to someone else who will make 1114 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 2: you feel like more shit, like oh you know, yeah, 1115 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 2: maybe you should give a maybe it's not working out, 1116 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I literally had that. 1117 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: Moment recently where someone did that, yeah, like. 1118 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,919 Speaker 2: With someone really close to me, and it's like, well, yeah, 1119 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 2: maybe you should, maybe you should give up. I don't know, 1120 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 2: Like it's like, what if I'm having this moment, that's 1121 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 2: a last thing I want to hear. You're terrible, like 1122 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 2: literally never come to you advice again. 1123 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: Well, yeah you gotta. Also, I think I learned I 1124 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: would say a couple of years ago, is that the 1125 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: real friends your real day once And this is how 1126 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: I judge friendship across the board. You want a friend 1127 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: that is happy when you're up, like and also down 1128 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: when you're down. Man, there's too many relationships we have 1129 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: nowadays where you got the friends that are happy when 1130 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: you're up, but they're not down when you're down. And 1131 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 1: now then you have the friends that are down for you, 1132 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,919 Speaker 1: will kill for you, but they're not happy when you up. Yeah, 1133 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: the real friendship, and I think Oprah recently said on 1134 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: the clip, is the one that has no jealousy, because 1135 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,399 Speaker 1: the one that has no jealousy can actually value when 1136 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: you're up and be like, hell yeah, motherfucker. We all like, 1137 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: my girl got pregnant the other day. We all celebrated, 1138 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,359 Speaker 1: like you got a Yeah, what is it? What is it? 1139 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: They find out what is it? You know, we're just 1140 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: happy for that went genuinely down to the toes, like 1141 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: happy happy, like. 1142 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 2: You swear, you know, real too, like. 1143 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: Really because we knew that's what that person wanted, so 1144 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: we feel it. Even when they're down, you're showing up. 1145 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 3: And it's weird for me too, it's weird. 1146 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 2: I had this moment, another moment, a lot of moments, 1147 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 2: but I had another moment recently where I sometimes, you know, 1148 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 2: as a artist, you get close to people that you 1149 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 2: shouldn't like. Sometimes you're glad people, you know. Some people 1150 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 2: get close to the glad people. Some my gam people 1151 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,439 Speaker 2: have been my best friends and are still mad tight. 1152 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 2: Sometimes you get close to certain gland people and it's 1153 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 2: like not the smartest of the thing. As the artist, 1154 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 2: you're the boss and you're also the like, these are 1155 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,240 Speaker 2: your employees, but they become your friends. But it's hard 1156 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 2: because it's like, that's hard when you're like your employees 1157 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,879 Speaker 2: your friends because at the same time there has again, 1158 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 2: there has to be a level of respect. So once 1159 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 2: that there's a boundary that gets crossed, so you become 1160 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,720 Speaker 2: too personal, the respect is gone, and as the artist, 1161 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 2: people don't realize that we really are the last ones 1162 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 2: to eat. 1163 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,839 Speaker 3: Like people don't realize that. 1164 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 1: People don't really dropping gems that really show my honest opinion, 1165 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: really show you did the work. But yes, you are right. 1166 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: Repeat that again, the last one to eat. 1167 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 3: We really are the last one to eat. 1168 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 2: I was just watching this clip from this songwriter that 1169 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 2: I know that he's a great songwriter and everything, but 1170 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 2: it's like he was saying, oh, like the songwriter is 1171 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 2: the last one to eat. No, the artist is the 1172 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 2: last one to eat. The songwriter eats before even us. 1173 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 2: Everybody eats before us. Everybody eats before us. And whether 1174 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 2: you're signed independent, the money gotta come out of somewhere, yeah, 1175 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 2: somebody's pocket, ye, And it gotta come back to somebody's pocket. 1176 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 2: And if it don't come back, even though you could 1177 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 2: pay you could have a budget five dollars, fifty thousand dollars, 1178 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars, five million dollars, doesn't matter if 1179 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,720 Speaker 2: that once that money goes back, you gotta get it return. 1180 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: It has to be. 1181 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 2: It gotta be recouped, you know what I'm saying. And 1182 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,359 Speaker 2: then people don't realize that, you know, as the artist, Yeah, 1183 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 2: like the money is coming out and it's coming out 1184 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 2: of your pocket. And that's why it's like people even 1185 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 2: think like, yeah, like I was watching a documentary recently 1186 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 2: with Michael Jackson's bodyguards or something. It was like a 1187 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 2: new one, newer one, and it was like Michael didn't 1188 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 2: have money at the end of his career. Michael, Michael, 1189 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Michael? You know, he 1190 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,720 Speaker 2: wasn't able to pay so he can't pay his employees. 1191 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 3: Employees' is like, and he needs his bodyguards. 1192 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 2: He can't even pay his bodyguards, and he needs a protection, 1193 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 2: can't even pay his bodyguards or whatever it is. You 1194 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,439 Speaker 2: need this and you need that, you can't even pay 1195 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 2: for that. So you try to build relationships and build friendships, 1196 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 2: and then it starts crossing lines or whatever. Even if 1197 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 2: you're paying them, you still around them all the time. 1198 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 2: You want to be friends with them. 1199 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: It's so hard, especially if you're starting out and you 1200 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: do like we're working with a budget. So say you 1201 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: and I are working together and you can't pay me 1202 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: as much right right, and you say it, I'm like, Okay, 1203 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: I believe in you too. That's where the lines do 1204 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: get blurred because there now it's like both people crossing 1205 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: that little. 1206 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 2: Thing that yeah, yeah, that awkward little boundary thing that 1207 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, it's a trust thing that has to happen, 1208 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 2: or you don't know if you could trust the person. 1209 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 2: You don't know if the person is like but I 1210 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 2: think it's like what you said, it's an exchange. It's 1211 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 2: it's a common, fair exchange that has to happen. 1212 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: And I think that people when you're the boss, it 1213 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,879 Speaker 1: really that kind of fucks you over the moment because 1214 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: it's never it's never a fair exchange, but one person 1215 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: is technically holding the burden. So yes, you're right, and 1216 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: you with a dagger because you're like, fuck, I should 1217 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: have never crossed that line, you. 1218 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 2: Feel me, because it's like, there's never going to be 1219 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 2: a fair exchange because you're when you're the boss, you're 1220 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 2: already in a higher level and no matter what how 1221 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 2: much they get. 1222 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: And they're coming in it from a whether it's an 1223 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: act of service, they're they're coming to gain. So it's 1224 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: it's not a in a weird sort of sense, it's 1225 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm coming to get this. 1226 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 2: As much as I can. Yeah, right, you know, and 1227 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 2: it's and then you wind up feeling like, yeah, like 1228 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 2: it's a it's an unfair exchange. So I think for 1229 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 2: me lately, it's definitely been that. It's definitely been like 1230 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 2: truly truthfully, like like it's all a part of the process. 1231 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 2: But then you have to you realize that and you're like, well, 1232 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 2: if all of this is a case, then there's a 1233 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 2: reason why you start realizing that people are the way 1234 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 2: they are. Or even if you're like, oh, they call 1235 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 2: you this and they call you that, whatever, they don't 1236 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 2: know how much it took. They call you a bit 1237 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 2: really because they don't know how well that day, Well 1238 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 2: how why was I a bitch that day? Like how 1239 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 2: much I gotta deal with on a daily basis, Like 1240 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I feel like even 1241 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 2: when I used to hear like Jlo used to be 1242 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 2: called that, and I'm like, Jaalo. 1243 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: Was a boss goat, the goat working her as working. 1244 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 2: Her ass off, like if she like and I think that, 1245 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 2: you know, it started becoming like a thing that people 1246 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 2: just use it to like, Oh, I don't like Jlo 1247 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 2: because she's mean, and you don't know if Jaylo's meaning. 1248 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 2: I never met her, you meet her, she's mad nice. 1249 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 2: People say the same thing about Nicki and nice. I 1250 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 2: met Nikki. She was so nice to me, So I 1251 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 2: don't know what y'all talking about, Like you know what 1252 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying crazy, So I don't know, like she was 1253 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 2: nice to me. So everyone has their own experiences. But 1254 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 2: I think it's crazy when like the general public judges 1255 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 2: and artists like that when an artist gives nothing, we 1256 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 2: give nothing but love. And you know what I'm saying 1257 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 2: to the world, like, no matter what artist has on 1258 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 2: their personal life going on, it's different to the world. 1259 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 2: We're giving art. We're using our traumas and using it 1260 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 2: to give art to the world. And we live in 1261 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 2: America where it's like all they do and all we 1262 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 2: do is try to tear our artists down. But I 1263 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 2: think like something has to give where we have to 1264 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,959 Speaker 2: understand that, like every artist is a human and even 1265 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 2: if they're like they always are trying to like demonize 1266 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 2: the artists, like oh, I've been seeing that about a 1267 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 2: lot about j Lo, and I'm like, I love j Lo, Like. 1268 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love her. I think the best 1269 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: thing to do is like. 1270 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 2: The greater you are, the more haters you have, and 1271 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 2: that's how you know you're doing. 1272 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,800 Speaker 1: Something right exactly. 1273 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 2: That's the tea. 1274 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: That's the tea. 1275 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 2: That's the tea. 1276 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 1: And I think at some point we all got to 1277 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: realize there's nobody, nobody on the planet, not the richest man, 1278 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,399 Speaker 1: not the brokest man, not the one with the most 1279 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: baby daddies, the one no kids, whatever. Every person has 1280 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: to come face to face with problem. There is no problem. 1281 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: There is no person and living on Earth right now 1282 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't have problems. That's the part of being human. 1283 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: And I think if we all walked around with a 1284 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: shirt and said hey, I got problems and everybody just 1285 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: walked around, they'd be like, well, ship, you know. And 1286 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,480 Speaker 1: I was sad about the human races, like, well, I 1287 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: got problem. What's your problem? 1288 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 2: With? 1289 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,959 Speaker 1: My problems worse than your problem. 1290 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 2: It's like, yo's got a problem for real though that's 1291 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,839 Speaker 2: a fact, that. 1292 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: Is a yo. We should literally print shirts. But I 1293 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: guarantee if you put the whole world and I got 1294 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: prom shirts, I got problem, people will just literally compare. 1295 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 2: Problems hard though that person's. 1296 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: Crying because they didn't have a McDonald's burger, get them, 1297 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: they start hating. 1298 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 2: It stops. Oh yeah, she went through this, he went this, Well, 1299 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,879 Speaker 2: I went through this and that's what I there is 1300 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,839 Speaker 2: that thing and it's constant, like that separation. We all have, 1301 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 2: like ego, but you gotta realize, like you know what 1302 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, even when you said, well you walk in. 1303 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 3: That's you're the baddest in the room. 1304 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 2: That's your ego. But then you immediately like, well, oh 1305 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 2: should I just had a bad day and I just 1306 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 2: to talk to someone like that's the real you, you 1307 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,799 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then it's like you have 1308 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 2: to I've been trying to find that balance. And I 1309 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,879 Speaker 2: call her like because my so yeah with lover girl, 1310 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 2: lover girls like me, I'm a lover girl, that's me. 1311 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm a love girl. But my alter ego is a 1312 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,240 Speaker 2: trat Princess Jasmine. So like literally it's like yeah, like literally, 1313 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,319 Speaker 2: so I kind of like have to separate the two 1314 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 2: because I do have my super loving me, you know, 1315 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 2: but then I do have my dragon side, my you know, 1316 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 2: my New York girl don't play with me side. So 1317 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 2: I feel like that is a real and I call 1318 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,840 Speaker 2: it a trat Princess Jasmine because Princess Jasmine is the 1319 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 2: only Middle Eastern pop culture girl we got. But you know, 1320 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:39,879 Speaker 2: I love Fun. 1321 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it. So how would 1322 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: you describe this latest AP and all of that. 1323 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,479 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So I mean it's an exciting time because 1324 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 2: I feel like now I haven't dropped the project yet, 1325 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 2: I've just been dropping like singles, and I feel like 1326 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 2: with lover Girl, it's been like I like my first project, 1327 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 2: I was like, what is the the name gonna be? Like, 1328 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 2: you know, lover Girl came to me one morning I 1329 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 2: woke up and then like, I was like, I want 1330 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 2: to name it something with love. I was thinking about that, 1331 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,280 Speaker 2: and then I just thought about lover girl. And obviously 1332 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 2: Drake did Certified lover Boy and stuff, and people call 1333 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 2: themselves lover boy. And then nobody did love a Girl, 1334 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 2: so I looked it up and then the only person 1335 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 2: who did it was Tina Marie. And and like when 1336 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 2: I first started singing and doing open mics in New York, 1337 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 2: people used to compare me to Tina Marie. These pig 1338 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 2: your voice, you sound like her, so like I was 1339 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 2: like wow, and then I never really like I would 1340 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,320 Speaker 2: do my research on Teena Marie. She was one of 1341 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 2: the artists I studied, of course, but then it was 1342 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 2: like I never really heard her name too much. So 1343 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 2: then when I looked up lover Girl, I saw Tina 1344 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 2: Marie the only person who had a song it was 1345 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 2: lover Girl years ago. I was like, all right, I 1346 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,640 Speaker 2: gotta do pay homage and she spelled it two separate, 1347 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 2: so I was like, okay, I'm gonna do lover Girl. 1348 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 2: It's official and named the project lover Girl, and then 1349 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,440 Speaker 2: I just like I was like realizing, like damn, but 1350 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 2: I got this whole other side to be my trap 1351 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 2: Princess Jazz in sidey. 1352 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 1: I love that name, by the way, you know what 1353 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 1354 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of gonna be like an A 1355 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 2: B side a lot of girls coming out into September, 1356 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,280 Speaker 2: and then by January, my birthday, I'm gonna be dropping 1357 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 2: the B side Chrap Prins Jasmine. So it's like yeah, 1358 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 2: like and it's like super fun because it's like lover 1359 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 2: Girl is like totally this side, you know, sweet side Girl, 1360 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 2: sweet Love Girls side, soft Girl, Chatterers, Jasmine is on 1361 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 2: my you know, I'm on my BS. No that I 1362 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,040 Speaker 2: like it. I like that. 1363 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,880 Speaker 1: So it's like but overall, it seems like it's an 1364 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 1: empowerment album. 1365 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like I feel like Love a Girl, I made 1366 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 2: when I was like more so like in love, and 1367 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 2: it was, you know, all the music was very much 1368 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 2: so like I was in a relationship. I was in 1369 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 2: love and then you know, now I'm like, you know, 1370 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 2: not in the relationship anymore. 1371 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: And then Princess Jasmine came out and said, Periodey, I'm 1372 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing what Trap Prinscetas Jasmine is saying 1373 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 1: on this album because I ain't in a relationship right now, 1374 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 1: so I need to listen to Trap Princess. 1375 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, That's what I've been on because like 1376 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 2: Love a Girl, I'm not gonna lie like I even 1377 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,439 Speaker 2: for me. I love my lover Girl's side. I love 1378 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 2: my that, but the Trappers is Jazzmine and the records 1379 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 2: that that and that energy is definitely what I'm on 1380 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 2: right now, and I feel like it's it's very empowering 1381 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, there are certain things that 1382 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm rapping more on it, you know, 1383 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 2: and there's some yeah, like literally so it's like there's 1384 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 2: some things that I can't always say singing, and when 1385 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 2: I want to say when I'm on my BS, I 1386 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 2: want to say some things my bs is my bush, 1387 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,400 Speaker 2: not my bull, my boss. 1388 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 3: You feel me like you feel me. 1389 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 2: So it's like kind of like I want to say 1390 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,160 Speaker 2: things that I just say when I'm be rapping, and 1391 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 2: it's just crazy because I feel like there's no a 1392 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 2: rap girl rapping and singing right now, Like it's a 1393 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 2: whole other thing. 1394 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,640 Speaker 1: So it's like I love that you're proud of it too. 1395 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm so I'm so excited about this 1396 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 2: era because I'm like, even especially with the trappers to jazz, 1397 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot of Now obviously there weren't a lot 1398 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,120 Speaker 2: of Middle Eastern girls doing it, but now there are. 1399 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 2: There's so many more, and I love it. But I 1400 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 2: feel like for me, it's always about being a chillblazer. 1401 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,480 Speaker 2: It's always about like setting the tone. It's always about 1402 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,520 Speaker 2: taking it to the next level, takes to the next place. 1403 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 2: And I feel like like being that you know, that 1404 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,120 Speaker 2: person that takes it there, Like I want to take 1405 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 2: it there, you know what I'm saying. So I feel 1406 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 2: like in American culture, most of the stuff that we 1407 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,600 Speaker 2: listened to is like I grew up in this urban 1408 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 2: rap music. 1409 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,200 Speaker 3: J G is my fair rapper. 1410 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 2: I saw did you see my jay Z painting. O. 1411 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I did, okay, And I was like, okay, And 1412 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 3: they didn't. 1413 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 2: Know it's jay Z because I didn't know it's New 1414 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 2: York and he doesn't really look like jay Z that much. 1415 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 3: His face, he's a little I gave. 1416 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,200 Speaker 1: My mom this. My mom drew the picture. Oh your 1417 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,840 Speaker 1: mom mission, my mom. 1418 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,439 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my mom, love you, Mama. 1419 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 3: I take that back. Then I was like, jay Z, 1420 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,000 Speaker 3: so I feel bad. 1421 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 1: The picture she had to work with was so and 1422 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 1: so I said, I was like, I want the biggest 1423 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,160 Speaker 1: picture of the. 1424 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,040 Speaker 2: Demeanor and everything. I knew it was him, and then 1425 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 2: I knew it was his the MARSI part, you know 1426 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,440 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 1427 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 3: So I was just like, okay, yeah, Brooklyn jay Z And. 1428 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 2: They're like, is that j Zz? 1429 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,959 Speaker 1: Mainly like the little water coolers on the side. 1430 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 2: I just always said that I've always wanted to be 1431 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,160 Speaker 2: like a female jay Z. 1432 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: When I broke like, that's me. 1433 01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,080 Speaker 2: That was me right, like right, because he's just like 1434 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 2: the blueprint to it all, like you know, just and 1435 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 2: you said the blueprints literally of course fun intended. You know, 1436 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 2: it's like the blueprint to it all, and you know 1437 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,919 Speaker 2: it's crazy because it's like, you know, being nowadays, being 1438 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 2: able to be an artist or being able to be 1439 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 2: doing something and then being a boss is just so 1440 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 2: important nowadays to have that element because it creates that longevity. 1441 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 2: Like you said, also, I think it's also that having 1442 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,200 Speaker 2: that business element. A lot of artists that I see 1443 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 2: that they do last they had the business element to 1444 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 2: them as well, because if you just like allow other 1445 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,360 Speaker 2: you can't. This is a business. This is your craft, 1446 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 2: This is your business, is your stuff, and you know 1447 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 2: you have to have it like it's the most successful 1448 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 2: artists take that very seriously. Yeah, you know, so I 1449 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 2: feel like I take that very seriously. And I feel 1450 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 2: like I see other artists who are just like yeah, 1451 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,120 Speaker 2: just who are like they don't know about anything going on, 1452 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,920 Speaker 2: and I'm like, uh, not me, you know everything going on. 1453 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, it's like, as 1454 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,040 Speaker 2: an artist, you just want to be creative, So. 1455 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: You got to balance both. Tell everybody how they can 1456 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: keep up with you, even though I'm pretty sure I 1457 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 1: ain't know how, but go ahead, sure, Instagram handles. 1458 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 2: Yes, follow me on all the things, all the things 1459 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 2: I net x, I n A S dash x or 1460 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 2: is this just I N A s X. 1461 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, got it all right. Thanks for feeding us some great, amazing, 1462 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: homemade hummus. Peace out, y'all. Yay for more eating while 1463 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 1: broke from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect, visit the iHeartRadio app, 1464 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.