WEBVTT - Humble the Poet: Transform Your Relationship With Anxiety (6 Strategies for Overthinkers

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<v Speaker 3>Don't say I'm anxious, Say I feel anxious because and

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<v Speaker 3>that allows you to be a human having an emotion

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<v Speaker 3>and trying your best to figure out why. Sharing your

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<v Speaker 3>anxious feelings in a way that you don't identify with them,

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<v Speaker 3>that invites connection and now we can talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And once we start revealing it, that's really the first

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<v Speaker 3>step to healing.

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<v Speaker 2>The number one health and well in the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Setty, Jay Sheddy, see Lenly Jay shet Hey everyone, welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>back to On Purpose, the place you come to listen,

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<v Speaker 1>learn and grow. Today's guest is on for his third time.

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<v Speaker 1>Came on in season one. I'm always super grateful to

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<v Speaker 1>my friends who showed up when we were this tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little podcast trying to figure out our way, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they come back with new exciting information, reflections, revelations, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to have them back on the show. Today's

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<v Speaker 1>guest is none other than Humble the poet, an artist, rapper,

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<v Speaker 1>spoken word artist, international best selling author, and former elementary

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<v Speaker 1>school teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>If you didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Known for his tattoos, beard, head wrap, and infectious smile,

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<v Speaker 1>he captivates audiences with thought provoking ideas that challenge can

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<v Speaker 1>conventional wisdom. Humble's dynamic live performances have taken him to

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<v Speaker 1>major festivals all across the world, and he's been featured

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<v Speaker 1>in The New York Times, BuzzFeed, Vogue, Rolling Stone, and

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<v Speaker 1>hulf Post. Humble is the author of Unlearned Things No

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<v Speaker 1>One Else Can Teach Us, and here to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>his latest book, which I want you.

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<v Speaker 2>To grab right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called un Anxious Fifty Simple Truths to help overthinkers

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<v Speaker 1>feel less stress and more calm. If your goal this

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<v Speaker 1>year is to manage and navigate anxiety better, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the book for you. It's called Out Anxious. We'll put

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<v Speaker 1>the link in the comments. Welcome back to on Purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>My dear, dear friend, one of the realist guys I know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone that I slouch around when he's here, and my

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<v Speaker 1>full self because we do this offline anyway, Humble the poet.

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<v Speaker 2>Humble. It's great to have you back then.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great to be here. Thank you so much. That

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<v Speaker 3>was an awesome intro.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, It's just it's so fun when, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've really been thinking about that first season so much lately,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's because there's so many guests who've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>come back. So we just had doctor daniel Lehman on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been his fifth time he's been on in six years,

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<v Speaker 1>which is insane. Chloe Kardashian just came back on for

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<v Speaker 1>the second time, and she was one of those first

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<v Speaker 1>people that really helped us grow. And so it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like people who believed in the show when it was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, finding its way, and you were one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm very grateful to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you having me back then. It's always been amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the best, all right. I want to dive in

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<v Speaker 1>because this book. You dropped so many bars in this

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<v Speaker 1>book that I was like, the only way to do

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<v Speaker 1>the book justice and for people to realize it's worth

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<v Speaker 1>picking up is me to read stuff from the book.

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<v Speaker 1>And right in the introduction you say something, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it just sets the tone for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the book. You say, anxiety isn't something that needs curing.

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<v Speaker 1>Why was that important for people to know right at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when I started the journey, it was really

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<v Speaker 3>about meeting people where they're at. And I think now

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<v Speaker 3>how that mental health is, like mental health awareness has

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<v Speaker 3>really become normalized. It may have gone a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>too far with people identifying with certain things that they're

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with. And it's like, anxiety is not a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a disease, it's not dandruff. It's not a

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<v Speaker 3>condition that we have to deal with. It's a signal

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<v Speaker 3>it's here to help us. And what we need to

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<v Speaker 3>do is reevaluate our relationship with it. Right now, where

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<v Speaker 3>we're at is we medicate, avoid, and distract, and all

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<v Speaker 3>of those are understandable coping mechanisms. They help us in

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, they help us feel better, but none of

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<v Speaker 3>that in the long term is going to help us

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<v Speaker 3>become better. And what it is is we just have

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<v Speaker 3>to pay attention to what anxiety and anxious feelings are

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<v Speaker 3>trying to tell us. And the big thing with that

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<v Speaker 3>is changing our relationship in a way that makes us

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<v Speaker 3>not think like, oh, because I'm having anxious feelings, that

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<v Speaker 3>must be weak, something's wrong with me. Nobody else is

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with this, and it's like, no, you are absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>normal for having anxious feelings. And to start that's the

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<v Speaker 3>first idea. We have to understand, treating ourselves with grace

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<v Speaker 3>that this is completely normal. And then once we get there,

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<v Speaker 3>we can start this journey going from managing it in

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<v Speaker 3>helpful ways and then also growing from it. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to just keep soothing anxiety. We want to gain

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<v Speaker 3>strength through paying attention and understanding what it's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>tell us.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things me and you talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>lot when we're having our offline conversations is this difference

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<v Speaker 1>in the idea of East and West. So the Western

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<v Speaker 1>ideology is I had anxiety, I don't have it anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>So everything's painted as this before and after, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the East, which we both take inspiration from,

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<v Speaker 1>is more cyclical, where it's like, well, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety isn't going to go away. It's going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>showing up in my life in different ways. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety shows up in the same way, it's because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not learning, I'm not strengthening, I'm not hearing the signal

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<v Speaker 1>as you just called it, absolutely, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>show up in different ways because even if I hear

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<v Speaker 1>the signal of anxiety here, anxiety is going to show

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<v Speaker 1>up in another way over here. And so I love

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<v Speaker 1>that you really make it clear off the bat that

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't about solving a problem. Yeah right, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>about getting rid of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. What I'm promising in the book is I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>promising to cure anxiety. I'm promising to cure the despair

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<v Speaker 3>around anxiety. And the despair is when we feel hopeless

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<v Speaker 3>because we don't think we have options. So this book

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<v Speaker 3>is full of options to better understand anxiety and to

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<v Speaker 3>go from managing to striving and growing and becoming stronger

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<v Speaker 3>from it. And because we feel hopeless, that's where we

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<v Speaker 3>stop and a lot of the tension that we carry

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<v Speaker 3>comes from resisting these emotions. It's not the emotions themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Anxious feelings aren't harming us. Resisting and avoiding these anxious

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<v Speaker 3>feelings or what's actually doing the damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it resonates so strongly with me because I've

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<v Speaker 1>been thinking a lot about how when you're anxious about something,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you only have two options. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I either overcome this and my life's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be better, or I'm stuck with this for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of my life and my life's over right. We kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get these two extreme options and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, well, wait, wait a minute, there's a third option, fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's fifty in here. That's actually what we all

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<v Speaker 1>want to feel. I remember when I was anxious about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I hated my job, my career wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really going where I wanted it to go. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I was anxious about leaving. I realized the problem was

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<v Speaker 1>my anxiety was all based on the fact I had

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<v Speaker 1>limited options.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Either stay somewhere I hate, or I leave, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lost because I don't know what's gonna come. And

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as I started updating my LinkedIn resume and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw other job offers coming in and there are

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<v Speaker 1>other options, I was like, oh, it's not as bad anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But nothing really changed apart from the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>could see a few steps further. What have you found

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<v Speaker 1>is the best way to open up your mind to

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<v Speaker 1>more options when you're in a position where you feel

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<v Speaker 1>imprisoned and trapped by your thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love the idea that curiosity is courage in disguise.

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<v Speaker 3>And what we realize is is often when we have

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of dualistic thinking, this is good, this is bad,

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<v Speaker 3>this will help, this will hurt, that's us limiting our scope,

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<v Speaker 3>as you said, and that's us being judgmental. And the

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<v Speaker 3>only antidote to that is to be curious, is to

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<v Speaker 3>ask more questions, to explore the gray between the black

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<v Speaker 3>and white. And as we start doing that, more options arise,

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<v Speaker 3>and we also start to realize often the fear that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dealing with is related to a story that I've

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<v Speaker 3>told myself that I can only do this, or I've

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<v Speaker 3>gone so far, I've climbed this mountain, and now people

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<v Speaker 3>will seeing them a failure if I have to climb

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<v Speaker 3>all the way back down to find a new mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>So I realized, keeping our mind open, keeping our hearts open,

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<v Speaker 3>requires curiosity, and that really is what courage is. And

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<v Speaker 3>often we think this is a light switch. We think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, either I'm confident or I'm not confident. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to fix this or I'm not. And it's like, really, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a dimmer and it's not simply a failing on

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<v Speaker 3>our part if we start to feel like this. We

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<v Speaker 3>live in a society that really encourages us to Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if this is difficult, let's rearrange our lives to avoid it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. A personal story for example, this book was

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<v Speaker 3>inspired through one of our conversations when I was reaching

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<v Speaker 3>out to you to come on the podcast the Last Book,

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<v Speaker 3>and I explained that I feel a lot of anxiety

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<v Speaker 3>around asking for help and you know, and you said

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<v Speaker 3>many beautiful words to me to help soothe that, but

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't address the fear of rejection I had. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't address any of that. And then I caught myself saying, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, maybe this will be the last book

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll never have to ask for a favor. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>that is not healing. That is me rearranging my life

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't have to face the thing that is

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<v Speaker 3>giving me anxious feelings. And there's no growth in that.

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<v Speaker 3>That is me temporarily managing it because I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to ask for help. And what we have to

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<v Speaker 3>realize is these challenges are an invitation for growth. Our

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<v Speaker 3>triggers are an invitation for growth. There's an opportunity here

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<v Speaker 3>for us to not only deal with them in a

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<v Speaker 3>healthy way, but then also to growth through them because

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<v Speaker 3>all of our growth happens outside of our comfort. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's a really interesting thing where I've realized, I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I can feel better by avoiding asking for help, or

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<v Speaker 3>I can be better by leaning into this and being

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<v Speaker 3>okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's powerful when you paint that picture. Because I'm sitting there,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm trying to think about all the times

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<v Speaker 1>I've avoided things that I didn't want to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember at one point I just avoided working out,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I love playing sport, but I just didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to work out. I didn't enjoy it. I come up

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<v Speaker 1>with loads of excuses. I arranged my life in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that I didn't have to do it. And as

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<v Speaker 1>I grew older and you realize the value of getting

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<v Speaker 1>stronger and taking care of your body, not just esthetically

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<v Speaker 1>but for the purpose of health, like to actually live

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy life, a strong life. You start going, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, actually, it was only doing the thing

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<v Speaker 1>and turning up when I didn't want to that has

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<v Speaker 1>left me feeling better and stronger as opposed to when

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<v Speaker 1>I was running away from it, I was just getting

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<v Speaker 1>weaker and weaker.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's exactly how we should look at mental health.

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<v Speaker 3>I think right now we're looking at mental health like

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<v Speaker 3>it's this very fragile crystal that we have to protect

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<v Speaker 3>from the world and like, oh, I'm going to avoid

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<v Speaker 3>this person to protect my mental health. No, and mental

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<v Speaker 3>health is a tool, it's a muscle. It's what allows

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<v Speaker 3>us to deal with struggle. Struggle isn't the enemy. Struggle

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<v Speaker 3>is the vehicle that makes us more of a that

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<v Speaker 3>makes us more emotionally strong, that makes us more self aware.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time we have a negative experience that we get triggered,

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<v Speaker 3>we're giving ourselves data. That data is a gift for

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<v Speaker 3>our self awareness so we can better understand who we

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<v Speaker 3>are and it's just like you said, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to help me move a couch, working out at the

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<v Speaker 3>gym and voluntarily lifting heavy things, we'll prepare you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing with our mental health. We have

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<v Speaker 3>to voluntarily put ourselves in uncomfortable situations. We have to

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<v Speaker 3>challenge ourselves on purpose voluntarily, so when challenges find us,

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<v Speaker 3>we're more resilient, we're more confident, we'll feel more safe

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this isn't about making your life harder. It's

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<v Speaker 1>being able to make your life harder in a controlled,

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<v Speaker 1>choice based environment. Like it's not like just like you're

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<v Speaker 1>not just training drama in your life. That's not the point.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not drama. But I think the name of the

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<v Speaker 3>podcast on purpose. When you discover your purpose, even if

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<v Speaker 3>you devote fifteen minutes to like digging in and picking

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<v Speaker 3>up as much weight with that purpose as possible, that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to energize you to a level that most of

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<v Speaker 3>us never experience until we figure out that thing that matters.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's really not about adding drama to our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's really about carrying as much weight as we

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<v Speaker 3>can to see how strong we can be. We can

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<v Speaker 3>only get stronger through struggle, and if we voluntarily put

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves in stressful situations. And it could be even like

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<v Speaker 3>think video games. We're not going to buy a video

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<v Speaker 3>game if it's easy. You know. We want there to

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<v Speaker 3>be a challenge. We want to fall on our face,

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<v Speaker 3>get back up and try again. And it's the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing with life. It's this is how our batteries get charged.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes through choosing to do hard things voluntarily on purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>And that can be anything for some people. It could

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<v Speaker 3>be a specific art. It could be drawing, it could

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<v Speaker 3>be working out, it could be jiu jitsu, it could

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<v Speaker 3>be any type of challenge. And this is going to

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<v Speaker 3>charge our batteries so much more than a two week

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<v Speaker 3>vacation lying on a beach doing absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it builds more confidence, right, because when you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing difficult things.

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<v Speaker 2>I always say to people.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone asked me the other day, they said, Jay, how

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<v Speaker 1>do I feel confident before I do this? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I never feel confident before I do something. I feel prepared,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel organized, and I feel practiced. I feel confident

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<v Speaker 1>after I conquer it. So when I'm about to give

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<v Speaker 1>a talk, I don't feel confident before I give a talk,

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<v Speaker 1>But I know I've practiced, I know I've prepared, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm organized. Now I give the talk, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I feel confident because I've built and you muscle

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<v Speaker 1>built a new skill, whatever it may have been. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this idea that I need to feel confident before

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<v Speaker 1>I do something, I need to not feel anxiety before

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<v Speaker 1>I do something is actually quite unnatural. How do we

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<v Speaker 1>get comfortable with discomfort? How do we get comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>uncertainty when we're wired to want things to feel good

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<v Speaker 1>and be comfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's recognizing that a we're wired for a

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<v Speaker 3>world that we don't live in anymore. So we are

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<v Speaker 3>getting way too much stimuli. We're comparing ourselves to way

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<v Speaker 3>too many people, we know way too many people. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're really wired to be in much smaller communities. And

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<v Speaker 3>bringing up this concept of confidence I think is really

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<v Speaker 3>important because it goes back to that idea that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a light switch. I like to think about reading.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't not know how to read, and then one

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<v Speaker 3>day know how to read. We started by learning the alphabet,

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<v Speaker 3>learning the sounds, two little words, three little words, four

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<v Speaker 3>little words, until we could all read big, complex novels.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like a fourteen to fifteen year journey. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we may not have realized that was happening because it

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<v Speaker 3>was in school. It was fun. We may not have

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<v Speaker 3>had a choice we had to go anyways. But as adults,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is all of our growth came from doing

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<v Speaker 3>the struggling with a book when you were reading it. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>as we become idols, we avoid all these things that

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<v Speaker 3>are struggling. And it's really reevaluating our relationship with difficult

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<v Speaker 3>things and challenges. And it's absolutely correct. Both motivation and

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<v Speaker 3>confidence they don't come before action. You can't wait till

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<v Speaker 3>you're motivated to do something. Doing something will make you motivated,

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<v Speaker 3>Doing something will make you confidence. And this also brings

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<v Speaker 3>up a really important idea that as we have this conversation,

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<v Speaker 3>this is really going to hit people logically like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>that makes so much sense. That makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But for the body to really believe this, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>make sense to the body. You have to practice this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if I asked you to stand up and

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<v Speaker 3>fall backwards and I say I'll catch you, your brain

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<v Speaker 3>might be like I trust them. Your body is still

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a little bit nervous. Let's say I

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<v Speaker 3>catch you, and then I'm like, let's do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be a little less nervous, but you're still going

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<v Speaker 3>to have some nerves. We might have to do it

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen times for your body to completely trust the process.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to practice. Practice makes progress, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>to get out of this binary of like I can't

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<v Speaker 3>do it, or I'm perfect at it. I can't do it,

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<v Speaker 3>or I've mastered it. We have to just continually be

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<v Speaker 3>on a journey and celebrate the progress that comes from that,

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<v Speaker 3>and that progress is what builds our confidence and slowly

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<v Speaker 3>turn up that dial because that's the only way it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You say, anxiety overestimates the threat and underestimates our ability

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with it absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 3>So I heard a really interesting quote which was anxiety

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<v Speaker 3>is when your intelligence grows quicker than your courage.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And oftentimes when when we're younger, we accomplish amazing things

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't know we're supposed to be afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't even know we're be afraid of playing on

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<v Speaker 3>the street or what have you. What the stresses are.

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<v Speaker 3>You may have accomplished something where the odds were against you,

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<v Speaker 3>but you didn't know the odds, so you didn't feel

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<v Speaker 3>that anxiety. So when our intelligence grows, now all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, our imagination is being used to invent threats,

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<v Speaker 3>right to detect threats, things that may or may not happen,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that holds us back from actually acting because

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<v Speaker 3>the triggers are at Magdalah. We have a little tiny

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<v Speaker 3>part of our brain, the side of an almond, called

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<v Speaker 3>the amygdalah. In the book, I call it our survival brain,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like a very undertrained but loving bodyguard that

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<v Speaker 3>wants to protect you from everything. But its definition of

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<v Speaker 3>danger is uncertain, unrecognizable, unfamiliar, uncomfortable, and these we know

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<v Speaker 3>aren't things that are actually dangerous. Struggle isn't danger, challenge

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<v Speaker 3>isn't danger. But when we come across that, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>speak ourselves out of it. So it's really important to

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<v Speaker 3>understand this kind of idea that we need to feel

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<v Speaker 3>the fear and do it. Anyways, resilientiance doesn't feel good

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<v Speaker 3>when you're being resilient, when you have to be resilient,

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<v Speaker 3>when you have to be strong, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a great feeling, and that's okay. Building resilience voluntarily

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<v Speaker 3>doing difficult things may not be a good feeling, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's okay because we're not here to live a life

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<v Speaker 3>see how much we can endure. And again, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>realizing that life is chaotic, life is random, most of

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<v Speaker 3>by trying to hold onto everything, let the chips fall

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<v Speaker 3>where they may, and trust ourselves that we can handle

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<v Speaker 1>I went through some real stuff and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the same time, I remember that I'd been through,

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<v Speaker 1>like you just said, real stuff when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never gave myself credit for it because I

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed that that's what life was. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>how much hardship i'd been through in my early years

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<v Speaker 1>because to me, it was just normal. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's true for a lot of people. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of it, where it's like I may

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<v Speaker 1>talk about these ideas, I may hear them, but then

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<v Speaker 1>life's going to throw a challenge at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I actually have to apply what I've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>And you say something in the book where you say

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<v Speaker 1>home is where the anxiety starts. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us feel that we felt the anxiety of our parents,

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<v Speaker 1>we felt the anxiety of our siblings, we felt the

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety of the extended family, and we kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>ingested all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then it's only.

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<v Speaker 1>Decades later that you kind of even realize that you

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<v Speaker 1>might be sitting at like a dinner table at a

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<v Speaker 1>holiday dinner at your parents' house, or you're sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>with your family and you go, wait a minute, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>here is carrying anxiety, and you can actually see it,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you realize you've kept onto it for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do when you feel like you've been

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<v Speaker 1>carrying the baggage of anxiety that you picked up when

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<v Speaker 1>you were a kid and you have an unpacked for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first thing is be super super nice

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<v Speaker 3>to yourself. You know, imagine eight year old you is

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with these complex adults with their emotions, and they

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<v Speaker 3>grew up at a time or emotional intelligence and being

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<v Speaker 3>able to communicate an emotion wasn't a thing. So your

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<v Speaker 3>coping mechanisms and your survival mechanisms, your your mental health

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<v Speaker 3>tried its best to adapt the best it could with

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<v Speaker 3>your limited eight year old nine year old brain, and

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<v Speaker 3>then those coping mechanisms became habits. And then as adults,

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<v Speaker 3>we continue those coping mechanisms even though we have access

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<v Speaker 3>to more helpful ones. And instead of looking back and

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<v Speaker 3>being like, well, I'm a product of all this trauma,

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<v Speaker 3>or I'm a product of I made all these poor

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<v Speaker 3>choices and now I'm stuck in this habit loop, just

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<v Speaker 3>be like, look, my mental health has always been on

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<v Speaker 3>my team. It's always been helping me. Now we just

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<v Speaker 3>need to upgrade it with family. I do view them

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<v Speaker 3>as the ultimate boss in this world of anxiety because

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<v Speaker 3>it's like they can push our buttons because they install

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<v Speaker 3>the buttons.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that point.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's that and I always think about even in

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<v Speaker 3>my household words like I have a lot, I get

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<v Speaker 3>along with my family great. Just stepping into my childhood

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<v Speaker 3>home brings up anxious feelings. It reminds you of versions

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<v Speaker 3>of yourself that you don't want to remember. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the idea that really helped me realize this was like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you learn the lesson, you won't be afraid of

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<v Speaker 3>the test. So I think what ends up happening is

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<v Speaker 3>when we have these feelings again, these are signals. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like the smoke detector going off. Instead of pulling out

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.560
<v Speaker 3>the battery, ripping the smoke detector off the ceiling, putting

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<v Speaker 3>a piece of tape over the light, let's look for

0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 3>the smoke, you know. So when we're at home and

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<v Speaker 3>these anxious feelings start coming up, this is an opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>for us to start exploring and figuring out what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And as simple as feeling the feelings, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe in a moment it may not be the best

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 3>time for you, So do whatever you do to suits.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if it's if you got to go and

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<v Speaker 3>look at your phone, please do what you got to do.

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Look at your phone. If you've got to go distract yourself,

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.119
<v Speaker 3>if you've got to medicate, you got to go have

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.200
<v Speaker 3>a cigarette, whatever you normally do. Cool. But the next day,

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.400
<v Speaker 3>when you're well rested, you've had a glass of water,

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 3>you're hydrated, you know, you haven't read a bad text message,

0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 3>your bad email. Yet you're in a good place. Voluntarily

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 3>go back into that. Maybe pull out a journal and

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<v Speaker 3>be like, what is it about my family situation that's there?

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're in a good place to peel back

0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:51.920
<v Speaker 3>these layers and voluntarily lean into a trigger. And once

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 3>we lean into it, that's the way it's actually going

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<v Speaker 3>to heal. And then once it heals, we'll have room

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<v Speaker 3>for something new to come. It's never going to be

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<v Speaker 3>I've healed and I live ever after. We're not. We

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 3>don't live this linear life. It's a cycle. And as

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<v Speaker 3>you said, like you thought you can handle stuff until

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<v Speaker 3>something new came. That's not a feeling on your part.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the next level for you to build that strength

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 3>and then as you as you've come out of that,

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<v Speaker 3>which I've definitely seen you have, and you've come out

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.919
<v Speaker 3>much more wise, much more strong, and much more compassionate,

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 3>much more kind to yourself and other people. Now something

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<v Speaker 3>new may come, a new curveball may come, and as

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<v Speaker 3>you continue practicing your swing, you'll be able to handle

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<v Speaker 3>that as well. And that's what I believe our mental

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 3>health should be, should be this confidence that, hey, it

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 3>will be hard, but I'm not afraid of heart. Having

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<v Speaker 3>a hard day does not mean I've experienced trauma. Having

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<v Speaker 3>a person that is difficult to be with doesn't instantly

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 3>make them toxic. You know, we've got to this point

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 3>where mental health awareness has increased, but we may have

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 3>swung the pendulumvel too far where now we've created identities

0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 3>out of these things. Let's not create an identity. It's okay,

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 3>things are going to be challenging and let's train and

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 3>trust ourselves to handle it. And that's only going to

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<v Speaker 3>come through practice.

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<v Speaker 1>So in England, I remember when I was at school,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd have fire drills, right and even here you have

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.360
<v Speaker 1>a fire drill and it's like that fire drill may

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<v Speaker 1>or may never come like the real thing may or

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>may never come, but you're prepared, yes, and now you

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>know that even in the face of a fire drill,

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what to do, you know what the exit is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what to take one not to take, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where to line up outside school, whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what it is for life. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like you can't fire drill everything, because that's where

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety comes from too, because you're like, I'm going to

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 1>prepare for everything possibly bad that could happen, and that

0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 1>could be an unlimited list. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's having the confidence that I've built the skills to

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<v Speaker 1>know I can deal with certain things. And by the way,

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.439
<v Speaker 1>there will be curveboards that I don't have a clue with.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to what you said about family.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do when the family that, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>installed the buttons, when they push them, what do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>I think immediately in terms of managing them, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>before we worry about growing through it. The magic word

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 3>is going to be boundaries. And I think what's important

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<v Speaker 3>is we define boundaries in a way that matters. Boundaries

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<v Speaker 3>is teaching people how to be with you and your

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<v Speaker 3>boundaries can be universal. For example, I can have a boundary. Listen,

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<v Speaker 3>if you were gonna remind me of my age and

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<v Speaker 3>that I haven't gotten married and had any kids yet,

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<v Speaker 3>and that you know I'm not living out my purpose

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<v Speaker 3>in life, then obviously I'm not gonna call this much mom,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, But if anybody else does that, it's going

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 3>to be the exact same thing. It's teaching people say, listen,

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 3>this is how I expect to be treated. I'm not

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 3>telling you what to do, but if I'm not treated

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<v Speaker 3>this way, I probably won't be around here. And this

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 3>is what my I'm setting a standard and I'm really

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 3>teaching you how to be around me. And I think boundaries,

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day, are saying I care

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 3>about you so much that I want to improve our dynamic.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's a really important thing when it

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 3>comes to family, because that's the hardest place to set

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 3>up boundaries because everybody is so used to it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be completely honest when somebody has hit me with boundaries,

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 3>it was uncomfortable for me. You're still used to things

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 3>being a certain way. Sudden change for anybody is not

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 3>going to be comfortable, and we have to approach this

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of grace, grace for ourselves and grace

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<v Speaker 3>for other people. So I think boundaries is generally the

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<v Speaker 3>first place, and then also having context and just being like, look,

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 3>they really did try their best. When I worked with

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 3>the therapist, they were always reminding me, listen, your parents

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 3>were in survival mode. They may not have been the

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 3>most emotionally nurturing, but they were trying to put food

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 3>on the table. They were trying to make sure you

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 3>were good, you were safe, and like, that's what they

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.959
<v Speaker 3>were doing. That's all the tools that they had. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's really important because what I realized, especially

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<v Speaker 3>in the last year, is the kinder and more gracious

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<v Speaker 3>I am to myself, the kinder and more gracious I

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<v Speaker 3>can be to other people, and vice versa. The more

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<v Speaker 3>I put an effort to be more understanding and kinder

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 3>to other people, the more effort I can put to

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.479
<v Speaker 3>be kinder and more gracious to myself. And that's removing judgment,

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 3>which takes us back to courage through curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that even when you set boundaries,

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that person's still going to break your boundary. If you

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.359
<v Speaker 1>set the boundary, which I'm just going to use you

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>as as an example. If you talk to me about

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<v Speaker 1>getting married and having kids in all this traditional way

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>of living, I'm going to talk to you less. You

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>may find that even when you make an effort to

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>talk to that person, they still bring it up. You

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>may find whenever they get an opportunity they message you

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>about it. So they're going to do that anyway. I

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.679
<v Speaker 1>think the challenge people have is they feel guilty for

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>not loving their family, not being seen as a good person.

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they even feel guilty for not delivering on the

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>promise that they're or the expectation that their parents have,

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 1>and then that guilt and shame, which you call like

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>anxieties BFFs, Like it's really weird because you're like, now

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>going you're breaking your boundary to make yourself feel better

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>for how you take care of that person or because

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you just love them, but now you're breaking it. But

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>then they upset you again, so it gets really messy,

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Like how do we really define it in a way

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 1>that we go, Yes, that makes sense, now I know

0:27:58.400 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>why I'm going to keep it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's not even guilt. I think I realized

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 3>over time it's people pleasing, it's abandoning ourselves for somebody else.

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I think true guilt is when we abandon who we

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 3>are based on our own values.

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Let's say you were having a bad day and you

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>spoke to somebody that you cared about in a way

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>that you don't normally do, and then a little bit

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 3>time goes by, you're like, I really.

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Wish I didn't do that, And that's guilt.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.239
<v Speaker 3>To me, that's authentic, that's great, that's betraying who you

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 3>authentically are. Now the idea of like, oh, well, I'm

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>speaking to Jay and he keeps bringing up these things

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to talk about, but I really don't

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 3>want to let him down. I don't want to make

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 3>him upset because he doesn't hear from me anymore. That's

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 3>me trying to absorb your pain. That's me thinking because

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot of us do that in childhood. We absorb

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 3>other people's pain because we don't believe in their resilience either, like, well,

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 3>I can handle it. I'll handle their pain. I don't

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 3>want to make my mom upset. I can handle their pain.

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm robbing you of the resilience that's going to come

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 3>from you dealing with that challenge, and I'm betraying myself,

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.719
<v Speaker 3>increasing my own anxious feelings. And so I think, what

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 3>we really need to do, And I have a quote

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 3>the book, you can't guilt a caterpillar into becoming a butterfly.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, we can't speed any of this up. So

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I really think sometimes when we use this word guilt,

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>it really goes around us romanticizing some of these things.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 3>But really what it is it's people pleasing. It's wanting

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 3>people to like us at the expense of us ever

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 3>actually experiencing any real love. Establishing boundaries and then honoring

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 3>your own boundaries. That's being your best friend, that's protecting

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 3>yourself to a level. And as I said, this is

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 3>just the beginning to manage it. At the end of

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 3>the day, the secret here isn't to avoid these people,

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 3>is to open a dialogue, open more vulnerability, build the connection,

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 3>figure out where they're coming from, and strengthen the relationship. Accordingly,

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 3>it's not we don't want to get to this point

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 3>where anybody who presents any type of struggle or challenge

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 3>for us we just continually cut them off from our lives,

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 3>because this is just us rearranging our life to make

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 3>it easier. No, we got to lean into the challenges,

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 3>but just immediately, the boundaries got to be the first step.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great redefinition like that understanding. I don't think

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard anyone say that before about that difference

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>between authentic guilt and people pleasing.

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Because you're so right.

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>That resonated completely, that idea that if I was if

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I was rude to someone, I would think about that

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the whole day because I'd be upset because I know

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that's not who I am. It's very different to like, oh,

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that that person likes me again,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and that I hope that they Yeah, it's such a

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>such a great redefinition and one of the biggest places

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>we fit it as home, as you say, but we

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>also feel it with our friends. And you talk about

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>how anxious friends equals anxious you. To challenge today is

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of our friends are anxious. If we get

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>rid of all of our anxious friends, we may not

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>have any friends left.

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 2>So what do we do?

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like, also all of our friends have

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>different anxieties. Someone's anxious about their career, someone's anxious about

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>their relationship, someone anxious about their appearance. Someone's anxious about this,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>how do you deal with an anxious friend?

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<v Speaker 3>When we started talking about the specifics of like I

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 3>have anxious feelings around my job, anxious feelings around my parents,

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 3>what we're still saying is, you know this anxiety around

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 3>things out of our control, anxious feelings about things that

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>remind us of previous danger, anxious feelings about things that

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 3>feel unfamiliar. And I think these become the headings that

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 3>we can connect on if I'm vulnerable with you. When

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I share a vulnerable story, I'm generally going to be

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>nervous about it because I'm afraid that you're going to

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 3>judge me. And I'm sure your listeners have been in

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>that situation. But the vast majority of the time that

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 3>we're vulnerable with somebody, we're inviting them to be vulnerable

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 3>with us. In the book, I talk about this idea

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 3>of my friend in Berlin inviting me to a spa

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and I was excited to go to this spa and

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 3>had hurt my shoulder dragging a broken suitcase. And we're

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 3>on the way to the spa and he goes, I

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 3>love how open minded you are, and I was like,

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 3>why are you thanking me for being open minded. And

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 3>then I realized he mixed up the word spa with sauna,

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 3>and we are going to an all nude sauna and

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm about to see and this is the longest friendship

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I've ever had. I've been his friends since we're three.

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 3>So I'm about to see him naked and a whole

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 3>bunch of other people naked in Berlin and the voices,

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 3>and I realized I wasn't afraid of being naked. I

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 3>was afraid of being judged and afraid of standing out,

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 3>afraid of not understanding a custom. How this is going

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 3>to work. I'm in a different continent. And the first thing,

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 3>you know that helped was admitting to him because he

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 3>had just propped me up, saying, you're so open minded.

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 3>I love that you're willing to do this. I didn't

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 3>want to let him down. My people pleasing started to

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 3>come up, but I'm like, look, now that you've clarified

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 3>what this is like and this is not just a

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 3>candlelight massage, I'm very nervous. And his response was I'm

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 3>nervous too, and we strengthened the connection and it wasn't

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 3>the easiest experience. But we got through it and it

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 3>was a funny story, and you had to realize every

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>thing that makes us interesting is a challenge that we've

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 3>made ourselves go through. And I think the first step again,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm always gonna say this is the first step,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 3>not the absolute solution. It's going to be sharing your

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 3>anxious feelings in a way that you don't want identify

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>with them. I'm encouraging people and I got this from

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Melo Robbins. Don't say I'm anxious, say I feel anxious

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 3>because and that allows you to be a human having

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 3>an emotion and trying your best to figure out why

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I feel anxious because I'm about to be naked in

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 3>front of you and a whole bunch of other people

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 3>in this country, and I don't know if people are

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 3>going to judge me or what have you. And I

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 3>think that invites connection and if you get and someone

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 3>else will be like, oh, I feel anxious because I

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 3>don't know if I have job security. And now we

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 3>can talk about it, and once we start revealing it,

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 3>that's really the first step to healing, you know, jay

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Z said it, because you can't heal what you don't reveal.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 3>And we all know there's a value to this, because

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 3>every single person has felt super stressed in their brain

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 3>about how much things they have to do, and then

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 3>they're write down the to do list and it's like

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 3>three things, and they're like, why did that feel so

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 3>heavy in my brain? It's just getting it out is important.

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 3>And we are, again in a society that structures a

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 3>lot of individualism, a lot of isolation. We need community.

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.720
<v Speaker 3>It's not, as I said, it's not about cutting off

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 3>your friends who feel anxious. Everybody feels anxious, and we

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.399
<v Speaker 3>probably shouldn't label them as our anxious friends. However, if

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 3>they decide to cling onto the identity and they are

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 3>more interested in proving how hard life is versus looking

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>at it as an opportunity to improve from it, then

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 3>that definitely is a friendship worth reevaluating.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Explain how this friend did not know the difference between

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 1>his spat.

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 3>You know what, yeah, he I honestly believe. He had

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 3>lived in Germany for eight years at that point, born

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 3>and raised in Canada, across the street from me. He's

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 3>of Jamaican descent, and he had gotten married and they

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 3>both moved to Berlin together, and I guess maybe eight

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 3>years of him not speaking English every day, but it

0:34:55.880 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 3>was most definitely I remember it vividly taking one of

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 3>my parents' suitcases back then, because this is when I

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 3>just started traveling, and you know, my parents bought us,

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, like six pieces for like thirty bucks, like cheap.

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 3>Don't buy cheap luggage. There's a reason. And the wheel

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 3>broke off and I was in London and I was

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>dragging it up the stairs from the tube and I

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 3>had pulled a muscle in my shoulder and I was

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 3>so excited for a massage and he said. I remember,

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 3>She's like, yeah, we're gonna go to the SPA. It's

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna be great. It was definitely him not speaking enough

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 3>English for eight years, and it totally and it ended

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 3>up becoming a situation where you know, now it's a

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 3>great story, but all the emotions were there and it

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.720
<v Speaker 3>didn't get easier the moment I was there. The longer

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 3>I stayed there, the more my body was able to trust, Okay,

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 3>this is the thing again, and this is the big thing.

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Our brains will understand this immediately, our bodies have to

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 3>catch up. And the way to reinforce it with our

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 3>bodies is through practice. We have to practice this. We

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 3>can't just hear an inspirational quote once and be like,

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 3>all right, I figured it out. We have to practice.

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 2>So you're encouraging everyone goes to it needs fun.

0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 3>Definitely going to go to an as but definitely, yeah,

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 3>ud do the things we're like, I can't do this.

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.879
<v Speaker 3>When you voluntarily do something that you think I can't do.

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>It's the same as sitting in the cold. What you did,

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Sitting in the cold. Definitely want of those things. And

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 3>even that, what I've realized too is like, you know,

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 3>got to go to poland got to train in the cold,

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, at the invite of Lewis house, and the

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 3>irony of that was like, you know, sitting with Mike

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 3>Poulsner in the ice for ten minutes freestyle wrapping, feeling

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 3>like I'm the most resilient person ever. Fast forward six

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 3>months ago, I am in asana with Lewis and we're

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 3>just chatting. He goes, you want to take a dip

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 3>in the pool. So this is October in la and

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I went in the pool and I couldn't stay in

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.919
<v Speaker 3>for ten seconds because I didn't keep practicing. Yeah, there's

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 3>a value to the practice, but if you don't keep practicing,

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 3>and in terms of having self compassion, that's okay.

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 3>I used to be able to sit in the ice

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 3>for ten minutes. Now I can take a cold shower

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 3>for three seconds. But I can get back there through practice.

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 3>My doll just went back the other way, and I

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>think that's really important. We have seasons, seasons where we

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>can be more resilient and build more resilience, and then

0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 3>we have seasons where it's like, no, I'm just in survival.

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 3>I can just do the bare minimum. And I think

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 3>that's absolutely okay.

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we create so much extra tension with these expectations

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 3>we have of ourselves, and it doesn't.

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Help, especially when you lock in a new habit. Then

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>when it breaks, you're just beating yourself up about not

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>having that habit. So like, I've been working out consistently

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>this year, probably like four or five times a week,

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and I feel great, and then last week I was

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>on the road and I genuinely just couldn't work out.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I was in a different city every day, I was

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 1>barely in the hotel. I would have been having to

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>work out like ten pm or something, and I prioritized

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>my sleep over my workout, and there was a part

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>of me that was just beating myself up, going, ah, man,

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you just missed four days. You didn't work out, Like,

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>oh man, you know you have got the discipline.

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it is.

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:44.879
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make you want to get back on it,

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>That just makes you feel worse. Whereas then I gave

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>myself grace by the end of it, and I was like, look,

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I needed some time off. I also

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>slept really well. I also didn't get sick because I

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't pushing myself. And by the way, I'm really excited

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to get back to working out this week when I'm

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>home because I've had a bit of break and my

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>body needed it while I was traveling, and all of

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.720
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you're refreshed. And so there's so much truth

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>in the fact that guilt blocks growth. You don't guilt

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>yourself into becoming better. It doesn't work that way. You

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>encourage yourself, like you got to talk to yourself. I

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>think they've done studies where they looked at how teachers

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>talk to students, and you used to be a teacher.

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Teachers who just told their students that they weren't small.

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>They didn't figure it out. That never made a student better.

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Student who believed that their teacher believed in them made

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a huge difference to their result in their psychology.

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, the big lesson that we were taught when speaking

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 3>with children was addressed the behavior, not the student. So

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 3>if a student was doing something that they shouldn't be

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 3>doing it, you'd be like, hey, that choice. I'm not

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 3>a fan of that choice. Can we can we crumple

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 3>up that choice and throw it in the garbage. You

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 3>you're a great person, but I can't see how great

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you are when you make that choice. And I realized

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 3>that when we speak to ourselves, we're still speaking to

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 3>a little eight year old inside of us. There'sn't in

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 3>a child there that needs to be spoken with love

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 3>and grace. It's not coddling, it's actually realizing that we

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 3>have to be our own best friend. We have to

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 3>be our own biggest advocate and viewer through the lens

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 3>of is it helpful? Is it really helpful? Especially for

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.479
<v Speaker 3>folks who are like self employed, are trying to do things?

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Is it helpful to continually guilt yourself to do stuff?

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Do you get better results that way? Is it taking

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 3>you where you want to go? Or can we have

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 3>the conversation of like, hey, okay, you know what, you

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 3>were making a lot of progress working out. You know,

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 3>you were seeing great things happen, and now all of

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 3>a sudden you got to go on tour and now

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 3>it may be eating room service and it may be

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 3>sleeping in different time zones, and that's okay, that's what

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 3>this requires, and then we'll get back to the other

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.919
<v Speaker 3>stuff and that's totally good. And for me it's always like, hey,

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 3>maybe one more game of FIFA before we start. And

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.399
<v Speaker 3>then for me, the big one was like, hey, let's

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 3>go back in our history. You've been humbled upon with

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 3>self employed for well fifteen years now. Have you ever

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 3>played too many video games and messed up? Did you

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 3>ever mess up a deadline? Did you ever mess up

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 3>an opportunity because you played too many video games? No? Us,

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.879
<v Speaker 3>trust us. Let's trust ourselves. Go back into your own

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 3>history and let that be the support and to speak

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 3>to these words because a lot of these voices are

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 3>not ours. They sound like us. They were both written

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 3>by other people, these criticisms for somebody else, and they

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 3>just sound like they're our voice. And we give them value.

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 3>We don't have to believe everything we think, because those

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 3>thoughts are often there just to keep us in staces.

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>It's like, well, we're going to try to scare you

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 3>guilty to stay where you are because if you try

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 3>something new, we consider something new dangerous.

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not.

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>It leads nicely on the next thing I wanted to

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>pick out, which you said, don't should all over yourself.

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So I should be more productive, I should be happier.

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I should have this figured out by now. I should

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>work out five days a week even when I'm traveling.

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I should never make mistakes. I should be in a

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>relationship by now. I think we have so many should

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and should, as you clearly say, doesn't create a shift.

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>None of us do more when we think we should

0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 1>do something. And you know what, don't you feel this

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>way that we all know what we need to do.

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Even when I'm giving a keynote, I'm recording a podcast,

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 1>it might I'm thinking everyone already knows what they need

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to do. Most people, unless you do something specific, like

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure out how to build a business

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and I need to I don't. I may not know,

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>but most of us know what we need to change

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>in our life, like we're actually quite aware of it.

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>What is the block? From I know to I am?

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>And in the middle, it's like, the should is what

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.839
<v Speaker 1>ruins it? Almost right, we keep saying I should work

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>out four times a week because we know we should.

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>But then why is the should the block?

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.879
<v Speaker 3>I think the should is the language of perfectionism, And

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's the idea that everything needs to be

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 3>perfect because we're afraid. And one thing that we do

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 3>to try to counter this fear is have control. So

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 3>it should become the language perfectionism. Perfectionism gives us the

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 3>illusion of control, but the reality is perfectionism isn't about

0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 3>making things better, it's about finding flaws easier. So what

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 3>we start to do is constantly look for flaws and

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 3>that way that keeps us from having to do stuff right.

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 3>So a lot of it's the same way I'm saying,

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 3>curiosity is courage in disguise. A lot of this is

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 3>fear in disguise. You know what it really what we're

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 3>really just addressing is the fact that we're scared. And

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 3>here's the thing, It's okay to be scared. And what

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 3>I would encourage anyone to look at is like, maybe

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>the step you're trying to take is just too big,

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>and maybe we've got to break it down in something

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more manageable, into baby steps. And if

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 3>those baby steps feel too big, let's do micro baby steps.

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Then let's do micro baby tiptoes. Let's keep going smaller

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.839
<v Speaker 3>and smaller until that next step feels manageable, because the

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 3>only thing we have to do is know what that

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 3>next step is and try it. And I think this

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.319
<v Speaker 3>goes back to having grace for ourselves, and this is

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 3>why we overthink again. It goes back to this idea

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 3>that we're so afraid that we're gonna trick ourselves to

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 3>think that we're solving a problem by constantly running it

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 3>on a treadmill and going through loop and now we're

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>just inventing new problems to solve them. And all of

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 3>that results in nothing, but it comes to anxious feelings.

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 3>You can't think your way out of them. You have

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 3>to act your way out of them. You know, there

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 3>is something brilliant about Nike's saying, just do it. It

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 3>really is. Just do it. It really is feel to

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 3>fear and do it anyways and again, these are catchy

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 3>lines that we've heard a million times. Our body isn't

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 3>going to immediately accept them. We have to start small

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 3>and practice that every day and say, you know, for

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 3>five minutes, I am going to just do it.

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I do jiu jitsu.

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 3>And it was really interesting because this actually helped, and

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 3>probably because I was in a physical situation. I'm rolling

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 3>with somebody who has many more years ahead of me,

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 3>and we're rolling and in the middle of the roll,

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 3>he goes, you're thinking too much. It's okay, we all

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:42.760
<v Speaker 3>make mistakes. And instantly it was like, okay, stop strategizing,

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 3>just trust whatever I'm doing, knowing that I don't have

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 3>a chance against this guy regardless. But what he was

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 3>addressing was the pauses and the avoidance that I was

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 3>doing in real time. And now when I'm sending a

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 3>text message, sending an email, making a request, I keep

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 3>hearing his voice. It's like, stop thinking so much. We

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 3>all are going to make mistakes. The fear is the

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 3>mistake I might use, I might say the wrong thing.

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>If I ask Jake for this favor, let me reread it,

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.240
<v Speaker 3>approveriate at forty five times, let me run through chat JPT.

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Let me do all of these things, and it's like,

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 3>what what we're just doing is ruminating to avoid the discomfort,

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 3>and what we're really saying is this is hard. I

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 3>don't want to do it. And that's okay, this is hard,

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to do it. That is a normal

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 3>human feeling. But we have to go through that in

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 3>order for us to grow. We'll start by being kind

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 3>to ourselves and like, it is hard, let's take a break,

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>but less address it. And sometimes it might be like, hey,

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 3>we'll do it first thing in the morning when we're

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 3>the most fresh that concept swallow the frog, will do

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 3>that now. Or it could be like, hey, maybe this

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 3>is too big of a step. Maybe today step one

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 3>is this and that really and it is a reflection

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 3>and go back to the people that we're around. If

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 3>we're around people that we can share this stuff with,

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 3>and they speak to us with that same level of grace,

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 3>which is like, no, like you did a lot today,

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 3>it really matters. And I remember this. In the beginning

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 3>of my career, I came up with Lily seeing you

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 3>know who we both know and as you know, one

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 3>of the hardest workers I've ever seen, one hundred percent

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.240
<v Speaker 3>and it really signaled to me how hard I needed

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 3>to work. And it was always this idea that if

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't working hard enough, she may think less of me.

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 3>And then fast forward during the pandemic, I remember this

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 3>having a call and she's like, look like you're your

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 3>only job right now is like, stay healthy and stay

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:31.359
<v Speaker 3>in a good place. Don't try to be productive. We've

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 3>been signaled that we need to be productive all the time.

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 3>There's honor in suffering, there's honor in burning out. It's

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 3>a badge of honor. And it's like, it's not a

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 3>badge of honor, it's a warning sign that we're abandoning

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 3>ourselves by doing too much, especially in the society that

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.320
<v Speaker 3>we live in, where there isn't the word enough doesn't

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 3>exist when it comes to our productivity. So it's really

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 3>important to surround yourself around people who are doing the

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 3>same work, can have the same language, even if you're

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.319
<v Speaker 3>the first person to start these conversations, when what kind

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 3>of to someone else will encourage them to be kinder

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:02.800
<v Speaker 3>to you as well.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think it's hard because I'll give you

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>an example, Like I landed at Sunday, I would have

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 1>gotten to bed by like one am, and I knew

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I had to work out at a am in the

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>morning scheduled, and everything about me was like, I've been

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>on the road, I'm tired, I've been working. It's all work.

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I gave four keynotes in four days podcasts. But what

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>was really interesting is that I'm at a place in

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 1>my life where I've actually realized that waking up and

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.320
<v Speaker 1>working out actually sets me up to have more energy

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>throughout the day. So now I'm fully convinced. Now if

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>this was literally three or four years ago, I would

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>have said, no, I need to have grace on myself.

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let myself lie in. I'm not gonna work out.

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I won't even work out for two three days

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>because I deserve a break. The thing is that actually

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't make me stronger or more resilient. It actually made

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 1>me more sluggish. It actually slowed me down. So sometimes

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 1>grace is actually choosing something that good for you, even

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:02.720
<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't feel good.

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, as I said, it's not coddling, like, hey, you

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 3>don't want to go to the gym today, you don't

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 3>want to work out with the trainer, Let's just go

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 3>for five minutes and if you don't like it, you

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 3>can go home. Yeah, and then once you get in,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 3>you know continue Yeah. And I'm definitely like that. Whereas

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm doing all the mental gymnastic oh i

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.439
<v Speaker 3>ate and it's only been forty three minutes. I can't

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 3>go to jiujits. I might throw up on somebody. I can't.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 3>You're making all these excuses and then the graceful voices like, hey,

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 3>just show up, try it out for a couple of minutes.

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 3>If you don't feel good, sit against the wall. We

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 3>see people doing it all the time. And the truth is,

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 3>and then I go back into my history, you have

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 3>always not wanted to go. You have never regretted going.

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, even when I've.

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Gotten hurt, I didn't regret going. And I think that's

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 3>the really important thing when it comes to this grace.

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 3>We're not coddling ourselves. We're being our best friend, and

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 3>we're encouraging ourselves to do it. And you're absolutely right.

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 3>And this is how I would like us to view

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 3>mental health. The same way. Let's train it. Let's constantly

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 3>pick things that are different, the same way you're lifting

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 3>a heavy weight to tear your muscles. And then have

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 3>them healed to grow bigger. Let's continually put ourselves in

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.760
<v Speaker 3>challenging situations, whether it's a cold shower, whether it's holding

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.720
<v Speaker 3>a yoga pose, whether it's doing you know, calf phrases

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.280
<v Speaker 3>until you're feeling in the burn, any type of movement,

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 3>any type of challenge where your mind is like I

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 3>can't do anymore, Like, hey, let's just try to stay

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.439
<v Speaker 3>in a little bit longer. Let's do these things because

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 3>this will help build resilience. And it's one of the

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 3>things in addition to creating connection, in addition to practicing

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 3>that we do and we're realizing I don't want to

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 3>do it, totally understand that you don't want to do it,

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 3>but try it and see how you feel afterwards. Because

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 3>just like working out, the harder the workout, the easier

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 3>the day. Yeah, and let's apply that to our mental health.

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Let's treat our mental health like a muscle. The more

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 3>we work it early, the easier the rest of the

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 3>day will be.

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I've always been saying that there's like there's two types

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>of people. One needs to do the easy thing first

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.120
<v Speaker 1>to build confidence and get to the hard challenge, when

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 1>there's other people that need to do the hard thing first.

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 1>They need to throw themselves into the deep end in

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 1>order to build confidence. And it's really important to know

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>which one you are because some people. If you are

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 1>someone who needs to do the hard thing first, and

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 1>you keep trying to build up confidence through small things,

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you actually never ever get to the hard thing, or

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you'll feel like you'll take on a challenge that isn't

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>big enough. Yes, And if you're someone who's like, oh

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>my god, I need baby steps, and now your friend

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 1>over here is lifting like ten times as much as

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>you are, now you're pushing yourself, you won't do it either.

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>And that's why it's such an individual journey. But I

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 1>find so much anxiety is around timelines. It's all around comparison.

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And I was thinking about this. When you're at school,

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the one thing you don't have anxiety about as much

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 1>is people being ahead of you or people having figured

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 1>something out, because everyone goes from seventh grade to eighth

0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 1>grade to ninth grade. All of a sudden when you graduate.

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Now someone's getting promoted first, and someone's getting promoted last.

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Someone's getting engaged first and someone's getting engaged lost. Someone

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>got the beautiful new apartment and someone is still living

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 1>with their parents. All of a sudden, now there's this

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>timeline effect where I'm now anxious because I'm not thirty

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and married and making six figures and whatever it may

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:28.400
<v Speaker 1>be building a family. How do you deal with that

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>existential anxiety? Because this anxiety is more than the anxiety

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of just I'm anxious about talking to these people, I'm

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.760
<v Speaker 1>anxious about this friend. This is like this existential anxiety

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 1>that sometimes we just don't even want to think about,

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's in the back of our mind. Crap, I'm

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:45.360
<v Speaker 1>thirty and I'm not married, I'm fourteen, I don't have kids, right.

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the first thing most definitely, And I

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 3>love that you talked about school and how that was

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 3>our world. The classroom or maybe the side of the

0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 3>school was our world, and that made a lot of

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 3>sense for maybe, you know, up until the last twenty years,

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 3>social media has expanded our world where now we are

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.240
<v Speaker 3>endlessly being exposed to people who are living lives completely

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 3>different from us, and now we're comparing ourselves to that.

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 3>And so when we hear the cliche line comparison is

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 3>the thief of joy, we're constantly stealing our joy by

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 3>spending time on social media and comparing ourselves to people,

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 3>and we're not even comparing ourselves to a real thing.

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 3>We're comparing our behind the scenes to this highlight reel

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:23.839
<v Speaker 3>of what we put on social media. So the first

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 3>thing I would say is reduce the amount of exposure

0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 3>you have to compare yourself to other people. I would

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 3>definitely make efforts to reduce my social media consumption. That

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 3>would make a huge thing. I think also, the more

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 3>we commit to understanding who we are, the more we

0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 3>start to realize that we need to design and develop

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 3>a life for ourselves. I think currently we're just trying

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:47.760
<v Speaker 3>to deal with life. And I think as we commit

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 3>to a mental health journey and voluntarily doing challenging things,

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.320
<v Speaker 3>we start to develop life and we start to understand

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 3>what matters to us, for you, for me. As we

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 3>go through these different challenges, we're like, wait, this is

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 3>the shoe that fits me, this is the one that doesn't. Oh,

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 3>I can afford the fancy sports car, but I realize

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.200
<v Speaker 3>that really isn't for me. But I definitely want to

0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.319
<v Speaker 3>make sure I have a great hotep or I want

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.360
<v Speaker 3>to definitely make sure I have you know, I have

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 3>a friend who just sold the company, and I was like, Oh,

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 3>what are you going to do? He goes, I'm going

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.799
<v Speaker 3>to get my mom a personal trainer so she can

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.680
<v Speaker 3>open a jar until she's ninety. And it's like, this

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 3>is someone who knows his priority. That's the first spand

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 3>with the money, and that only comes through self awareness.

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Self awareness comes through paying attention to yourself and collecting

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.240
<v Speaker 3>information that's going to come when we have these anxious feelings.

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:35.800
<v Speaker 3>These are revealing things, you know. Triggers are a roadmap.

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 3>They're telling us where the work can be done. So

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 3>we have to abandon these ideas that like, oh, trigger warning,

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 3>I have to avoid my triggers. Oh I have to

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 3>constantly be in a safe space. That's just us rearranging

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 3>life to never gain and we're denying ourselves that self awareness.

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 3>So I really think self awareness is going to be

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 3>the first thing. So now and again, this is not

0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 3>going to make it all go away. I still get

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 3>jealous when I see people on social media. I think

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the other thing we have to realize is envy helps

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:07.800
<v Speaker 3>us understand what authentically matters to us. Let's say, for example,

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I watch you Know, I watch the show regularly you

0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:11.879
<v Speaker 3>got a couple of guests on, then all of a sudden,

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 3>a certain guest comes on, and let's say Rick Rubin

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 3>comes on. I'm like, oh, I am so jealous. I

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:19.439
<v Speaker 3>wish I was in the room with Jay. I wish

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I knew this was happening. I wish I could have

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:22.320
<v Speaker 3>called j I wish I could have stood in the

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 3>corner when I had that. What that is doing is

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.640
<v Speaker 3>that's not a bad thing to experience. That's teaching me that, Okay,

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.880
<v Speaker 3>something that Rick says matters to me, So I should

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 3>go deeper into that because it teach me what's important

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 3>versus if you have another guest on who I'm like, Oh,

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.920
<v Speaker 3>that's cool, but I'm not really excited about that. So

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:41.360
<v Speaker 3>I think there's something there that I think is really important.

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 3>And I think the other thing that's really important is

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.880
<v Speaker 3>realizing are we trying to catch up or are we

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 3>trying to improve? Are we trying to keep up with

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.440
<v Speaker 3>other people? And I think very often in going back

0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:52.759
<v Speaker 3>to our families, it really often isn't to We're not

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:56.319
<v Speaker 3>doing things to make our family happy, We're doing things

0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:59.399
<v Speaker 3>to keep them off our back, right, And I think

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 3>there's there's definitely this when it comes to like, you know,

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 3>being out here, going to advanced dressing up, all of

0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 3>this is like are we doing this to even stand

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 3>out at the party? Are we doing this to make

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 3>sure we don't feel irrelevant that we were falling behind?

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 3>And I think paying attention to that will challenge us

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 3>to go back to what are our unique values? What

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 3>are the things that we actually care about? And the

0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 3>more we discover that, the more we can share that

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.520
<v Speaker 3>with people. And for me, that also brings me into

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:30.239
<v Speaker 3>the thought of the gap between fitting in and belonging.

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 3>We create so much stress trying to fit in, and

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:36.839
<v Speaker 3>we have to wear masks to fit in, and that

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 3>is definitely going to feed anxious feelings. Instead, if we

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 3>have a better understanding of who we are, if we're

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.120
<v Speaker 3>constantly exploring this universe inside of us, we know who

0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.279
<v Speaker 3>we are and we can find people that we feel

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.480
<v Speaker 3>comfortable being around where we belong to the quote in

0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:54.400
<v Speaker 3>the book that I say, everybody is a social butterfly,

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 3>and maybe you're just in the wrong garden. And I

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:01.239
<v Speaker 3>think that's really important versus the self idea of I'm

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:04.040
<v Speaker 3>socially anxious. It's like or you're just in the room

0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:04.840
<v Speaker 3>with the wrong people.

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:05.719
<v Speaker 2>So good.

0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you really enjoy Dungeons and Dragons, go

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 3>in a room full of people who play that game.

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 3>All of a sudden, there won't be as much social

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 3>anxiety as you may feel if you're in a room

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.480
<v Speaker 3>full of people who work in finance or full of

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Hollywood stars. And I think that's the really important thing,

0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 3>is like, go where you belong. Focus on where you

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.839
<v Speaker 3>authentically belong, and that requires a depth because they may

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 3>not just be like, oh, well, I'm South Asian. I

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 3>should be around South Asians. It's like, no, who am I?

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.839
<v Speaker 3>You know? I enjoy art. I should be around more

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 3>folks who love art. I enjoy MMA. I should be

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 3>around more folks that love MMA. I enjoy playing certain

0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 3>video games. I should be around people play those games.

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.319
<v Speaker 3>It's the deeper you understand yourself, the more you can

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.279
<v Speaker 3>share it. And it's really important because we want to

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.279
<v Speaker 3>be seen, we want to be heard, but the only

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 3>way we can authentically be seen and heard is if

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.319
<v Speaker 3>we show people who we authentically are. And you can't

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:56.760
<v Speaker 3>be yourself if you don't know yourself.

0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:57.239
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean that is such a big one because I

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.359
<v Speaker 1>hear that so often, and I think you're so right.

0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Most people are going to events that they don't even

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:08.359
<v Speaker 1>want to go to to hang around people that they

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:11.000
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hang around, and then we're wondering.

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Why we're socially anxious.

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 1>And we also say that person's an introvert or they

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 1>feel like an introvert, and someone who knows them goes,

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they're not an introvert. They're really loud around their people,

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and that person is wild around their people. It's just

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>right now, they're not around their people. And you have

0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful quote in here, you say, the only way

0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.319
<v Speaker 1>people can accept the real you is if you show

0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:34.759
<v Speaker 1>them the real you. And I think that's what it is,

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>is that sometimes we don't even know the people that

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 1>are around us because if that's not their vibe, if

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.359
<v Speaker 1>that's not their crewer people, they're never showing the real them.

0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>And I know that for me, even in a crowd

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 1>full of people, I'll try and find the person who

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 1>wants to have a deep spiritual conversation. The amount of

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.359
<v Speaker 1>time me and you and Jeremy are good friends end

0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:00.239
<v Speaker 1>up together at parties, right, So when we're at a

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:02.440
<v Speaker 1>party and I know humble and Jeremy are going to

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 1>be there. I know we're going to find a little

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>corner to have like a conversation, a discussion, a debate,

0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.839
<v Speaker 1>a thought like that's what's going to happen. And that's

0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 1>why I don't feel out of place at the party.

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>But if you expecting me to just kind of have

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>two second conversations with lots of people and just hang

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 1>around that, that's not my That's not how I like

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to spend my time. And I've got to look for

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I can still be at a big party and look

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 1>for my community. And I think again, it goes back

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to what you're saying. It's knowing yourself. Where people just go,

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>oh no, I just don't like big parties. It's like no, no, no,

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>But there's a way in every space, in every world.

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.960
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like people who have judgments about New

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>York or LA or London or whatever it is that

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 1>we can have these broad strokes judgments. It's like, no,

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you can create what you want here. It does exist.

0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>It just depends on if it exists in the way

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you want to create and how it works for you.

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 1>But let's not sit around here and go I'm just

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:58.959
<v Speaker 1>not going to it's not possible in this place, because

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that's like saying one day you can get to the

0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 1>point where you go, this is on no one's my

0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:05.640
<v Speaker 1>type on planet Earth. Yes, right, And it's like that's

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:07.240
<v Speaker 1>not a healthy mindset to have.

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:09.959
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And it goes back to the idea of judging again.

0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.280
<v Speaker 3>We start to judge, which is a language of fear,

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:14.880
<v Speaker 3>and we start to limit. We're like, oh, no, I've

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 3>met three people at this party. This isn't my crowd.

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 3>And also for folks listening who are thinking, well, what

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 3>about you know, I'm at work or I have to

0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 3>wear a certain masks to survive with places, I completely understand, right,

0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 3>And the best way to counter that is, when you're

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:31.360
<v Speaker 3>done with that, go to what place you belong. We

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 3>all have to be in places, and we all have

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 3>to play the game to fit in. Sometimes it's not

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, we have to survive, and that might be

0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 3>part of the game. But then to counteract that, to

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 3>avoid burning out by doing that, go ahead and be

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 3>in a situation where you belong, be with your people,

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.000
<v Speaker 3>be with your tribe. And again, it still starts internally

0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 3>by figuring out who you authentically are.

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:53.959
<v Speaker 1>Well said, there's one quote that I picked out here

0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 1>just because I loved it. You said our broken heart

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:01.320
<v Speaker 1>is an open heart, and said so much to me

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 1>because I felt that if my heart's ever been broken,

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 1>it's only led me the more compassion, more context. But

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to hear what why you inspired to write

0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 1>our broken heart is an open heart.

0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.400
<v Speaker 3>I think for me specifically, it's this idea that when

0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.480
<v Speaker 3>you know the idea in your head doesn't match the

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 3>idea in front of you, like our expectations of life

0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 3>don't match the reality. That's kind of when what we

0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:32.120
<v Speaker 3>define is unhappiness, And I think that's an opportunity to ay,

0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, on a lower vibration, feel sorry for ourselves

0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 3>and reaffirm that life is so challenging, life is so difficult,

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.040
<v Speaker 3>But there's also an opportunity to grow, you know, when

0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 3>once we let go of that idea, like, well, there's

0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:46.960
<v Speaker 3>something to grow from here. So when our heart is broken,

0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 3>when everything that we thought was is no longer the case,

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 3>whether it's a broken relationship, whether it's losing something you

0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:57.440
<v Speaker 3>care about, losing an identity, losing money, whatever it may be,

0:59:57.960 --> 0:59:59.640
<v Speaker 3>there's an opportunity to grow in there.

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.120
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like a broken heart is an open mind,

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like that idea that now I can actually allow for life.

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like now you're, oh, now we're paying attention. All

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:14.160
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, things aren't moving according to plan, and

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:17.360
<v Speaker 3>now we're actually focused and we're present and we're paying

1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:19.920
<v Speaker 3>attention to things, and there's a lot of opportunity there

1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:22.760
<v Speaker 3>versus just assuming everything was going to be on autopilot.

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 3>This idea of that happily ever after you know these

1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:28.520
<v Speaker 3>linear ideas, it's like, no, we're going to continually be

1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:32.760
<v Speaker 3>in these cycles and anticipate things happening. And everybody listening

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:36.640
<v Speaker 3>knows how transformative that first heartbreak was, whatever it may be,

1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:40.360
<v Speaker 3>and how much resilience can come from the moment it happens.

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I can't be here anymore. I can't deal with this,

1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:46.280
<v Speaker 3>and then as time goes by, we start building resilience

1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.720
<v Speaker 3>from it, and then all of a sudden, we are

1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:54.720
<v Speaker 3>a much more rounded, three dimensional version of ourselves because

1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:59.080
<v Speaker 3>of it. These hard times that form us and formulate

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:01.760
<v Speaker 3>us as people. And this is why it's the idea

1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:04.560
<v Speaker 3>of like, look, obviously I don't want to have super

1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:06.640
<v Speaker 3>heavy days every single day, but I got to be

1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:09.000
<v Speaker 3>able to trust myself to deal with them, or at

1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 3>least try my best to deal with them and at

1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:15.040
<v Speaker 3>the very least not sabotage myself by not sleeping enough,

1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:17.880
<v Speaker 3>not eating the right food, not drinking enough water, not

1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.760
<v Speaker 3>hanging out with people that give me energy. And I

1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 3>think that there's something important there, so I always look

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:25.680
<v Speaker 3>at it, especially as as my life has progressed where

1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.640
<v Speaker 3>it's like the things that are breaking my heart right

1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 3>now are absolutely out of control. The people that I

1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:33.240
<v Speaker 3>care about who have health issues, there's nothing I can do.

1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:37.000
<v Speaker 3>I catch myself avoiding messages getting updates on some of

1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:38.920
<v Speaker 3>these folks because it just it breaks my heart to

1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:41.560
<v Speaker 3>think about. And it's like, this is me avoiding because

1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:44.160
<v Speaker 3>it's so overwhelming. But I speak to myself with grace

1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:47.760
<v Speaker 3>and say, look, it's overwhelming. Let's get you back to

1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:50.200
<v Speaker 3>where you got to get to. Let's feel better, and

1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.040
<v Speaker 3>then we're going to lean into this. We have to

1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:54.600
<v Speaker 3>lean into this because there's going to be some growth

1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:56.760
<v Speaker 3>that comes from it. The fact that this impacts you

1:01:56.880 --> 1:02:00.800
<v Speaker 3>so much, it's a sign that you care, beautiful, because

1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:02.880
<v Speaker 3>we need to care about more things in this life.

1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the anxiety around aging and death for ourselves

1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and the people we love. Is, without a doubt, the

1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:14.560
<v Speaker 1>anxiety we avoid the most right the anxiety of, oh

1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:16.800
<v Speaker 1>my god, I'm getting older, Oh my god, someone in

1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:20.920
<v Speaker 1>my life is unwell diseased, God, someone just died. Like

1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:24.440
<v Speaker 1>there's such an anxiety around that. What have you found

1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:28.400
<v Speaker 1>to be helpful at that time as you're going through it?

1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:31.720
<v Speaker 1>What would you wish you would have been told? Or

1:02:31.800 --> 1:02:35.120
<v Speaker 1>what do you wish people would hear in order to

1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:37.320
<v Speaker 1>help soothe that anxiety.

1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:40.720
<v Speaker 3>There was something beautiful I heard from a scientist on

1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Instagram and I don't remember her name. She said, you know,

1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:48.280
<v Speaker 3>life was not beginning and ending. Life began once, you know,

1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.840
<v Speaker 3>and we're all a part of it. We don't have

1:02:50.920 --> 1:02:55.320
<v Speaker 3>a life, we are life. We're dropping this ocean, and

1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:57.520
<v Speaker 3>I think there's something really beautiful about that, which is,

1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:00.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is depending on your belief, this can

1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:04.640
<v Speaker 3>be a vacation from not existing, and we can choose

1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:06.880
<v Speaker 3>this existence to be whatever we want it to be.

1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:10.520
<v Speaker 3>And I think for me it's been realizing. And actually

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<v Speaker 3>have a tattoo on my chest inverted so I can

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<v Speaker 3>read it in the mirror says that any moment you're

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<v Speaker 3>dust and it was inspired by a friend who had

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<v Speaker 3>said it, but another friend and I specifically remember where

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<v Speaker 3>I was when he said, he goes our problems are

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<v Speaker 3>only real because we forget we're going to die, and

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<v Speaker 3>when we think about all these things were zooming in

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<v Speaker 3>so much into our lives. But it's like we've heard

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<v Speaker 3>the cliche, well this matter in five years, ten yures,

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<v Speaker 3>Will it matter in ninety years? Will it matter in

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred years? You know, any of us making out

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<v Speaker 3>of this alive. And I think there's something really beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>about that, where it's like we can only enjoy a

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<v Speaker 3>movie because we know what's going to end. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if it was going on forever, if it's one of

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<v Speaker 3>those TV shows that go on forever, we may not

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate it as much. It's the finiteism of it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that has to do with life as well.

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<v Speaker 3>In the book, I make a lot of jokes, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the big jokes is the secret pill to

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of anxiety. I make up a joke about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but at the end, I'm like, the actual magic pill

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<v Speaker 3>is remembers you're going to die when you're in these

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<v Speaker 3>moments that just feel completely overwhelming. If you can remember

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<v Speaker 3>not just with your brain, but with your body that

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<v Speaker 3>you are going to die. And we have so many

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<v Speaker 3>examples of that in history with people who have experienced

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<v Speaker 3>near death experiences and then have thrived because they realized,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here for a deeper purpose. I'm here for a

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<v Speaker 3>bigger purpose. I survived, you know, fifty cent survived nine

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<v Speaker 3>shots and all of a sudden thrived in his career.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, that's the worst they can get me, not existing,

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<v Speaker 3>So let's go. It's not no longer fear of embarrassment,

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<v Speaker 3>fear of rejection, fear of not being seen, because some

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<v Speaker 3>of these are the things that we just forget. We're

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<v Speaker 3>living creatures that won't be here forever. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>reminding yourself of that is really important. And there's a

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<v Speaker 3>Buddhist and Eastern philosophy around Make it your goal to

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<v Speaker 3>remember your mortality five times a day and watch the

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<v Speaker 3>quality of your life improved. Allow that, make that part

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<v Speaker 3>of the mantra, Make that part of the daily affirmations

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<v Speaker 3>that I won't be here forever. Pick the year that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like in the year twenty two to thirty five,

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<v Speaker 3>neither of us will be here. Okay, let's remember that

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<v Speaker 3>when we're worried about sending a text message and not

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<v Speaker 3>getting a reply, or when we're worried about putting ourselves

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<v Speaker 3>out there and potentially getting rejected, or when we worried

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<v Speaker 3>about anything else. And I think that's really important. This

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<v Speaker 3>isn't to minimize anybody's problems. It's to minimize the unnecessary

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<v Speaker 3>stress that we may come with that. And then we

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<v Speaker 3>can realize that the stress isn't holding us back. The

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<v Speaker 3>stress can actually stretch us to reveal our potential of

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<v Speaker 3>who we can actually be. Pressure builds diamonds. We can

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<v Speaker 3>really become something beautiful and massive from this, when we

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<v Speaker 3>no longer view challenges as an attack on our existence,

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<v Speaker 3>but instead an opportunity for us to grow, for us

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<v Speaker 3>to thrive, for us to increase our capacity to not

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<v Speaker 3>only be amazing to ourselves, but being amazed with other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's the reason why stoicism has memento moury. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason why Buddhism has the statement you shared. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason why these wisdom traditions will remind us of

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<v Speaker 1>that impermanence and insignificance to some degree. And again, I

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<v Speaker 1>loved what you said it's not in a negative way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not in a morbid way. It's actually to free

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<v Speaker 1>yourself of the pressure and stress you put on yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And I think even now we have these we

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<v Speaker 3>have these concepts of like legacy, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there's there's also this stretch of like, oh, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to be alive after I'm not alive, And it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>these are stories that were being told that we think

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<v Speaker 3>are important. And I remember seeing an interview with Alex

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<v Speaker 3>Ramosi where he spoke about it, like when's the last

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<v Speaker 3>time you thought about the Queen of England? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>she was really popular and then she passed away and

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<v Speaker 3>we're not thinking about her. On we don't need to

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<v Speaker 3>have legacy, you know. Let's enjoy what we have while

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<v Speaker 3>we have. The only thing we have is the present.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially when we speak about Eastern philosophy, especially for people

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<v Speaker 3>listening here, it really is us having to unlearn a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the stories that we were told. We were

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<v Speaker 3>told these linear stories. Do this, do this, do this,

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<v Speaker 3>get over this hump, and then everything will be smooth sailing,

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<v Speaker 3>It will be happily ever after you can ride off

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<v Speaker 3>into the sunset. Everything will be great. And it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>there's always a day after, halfily ever after, And instead

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<v Speaker 3>of wishing for an easier life, let's work towards being

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<v Speaker 3>able to hold more weight, because the weight's going to

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<v Speaker 3>keep coming. And just as you're working out, fifteen years

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<v Speaker 3>from now, the amount of effort you put working out

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<v Speaker 3>will have to increase just for you to maintain where

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<v Speaker 3>you're at. So it's the same thing with our mental health.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now. Our avoiding, our distracting, our medicating is us

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<v Speaker 3>maintaining and by all means maintained. But at some point

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<v Speaker 3>we want to get to the point where we're actually

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<v Speaker 3>growing from it, and that's going to require us leaning

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<v Speaker 3>into things being more difficult, having more difficult conversations, acknowledging

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<v Speaker 3>difficult realities like our.

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<v Speaker 2>Death home of a poet.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is called un Anxious Fifty Simple Truths to

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<v Speaker 1>help overthinkers feel less stress and more calm. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>I love books humble because the way you divide up

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<v Speaker 1>these fifty lessons is so beautiful and it's so easy

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<v Speaker 1>to digest, easy to understand. There's highlighted statements, there's quotes.

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<v Speaker 1>Each section of the fifty is like, you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>three pages thank you for always making complex, big difficult

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<v Speaker 1>topics simple, easy and accessible for everyone to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations than you.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to thank you like you. This is

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<v Speaker 3>also a moment of like closing the loop for me

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<v Speaker 3>because it's you know, you gave me a beautiful blurb

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<v Speaker 3>on the book, but it was because I was brainstorming

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<v Speaker 3>the ideas to you over dinner and you were having

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<v Speaker 3>authentic reactions to them, and it was like this journey

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<v Speaker 3>for the last two and a half he was writing

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<v Speaker 3>this book. There's also just these moments of you coming

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<v Speaker 3>to visit in New York US, having a meals tia,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of FIFA and and just for the record,

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<v Speaker 3>I want everyone to know Jay is the most frustrating

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<v Speaker 3>person to play FIFA with because whenever you score on him,

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<v Speaker 3>he'll congratulate you. He'll be like, great job, that was

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<v Speaker 3>an awesome goal. He'll still beat you, but he'll do

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<v Speaker 3>that so it's like you can't even like talk crap

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<v Speaker 3>to him. It's so frustrating to like play somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>beats you but doesn't hold space for crap talk. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>he'll just like he'll, oh, let's watch the replay of

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<v Speaker 3>that goal you got on me. That was so good,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he'll score five more goals on me and

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<v Speaker 3>it's so extremely frustrating. And but one thing that you

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<v Speaker 3>said the last time we played is I had music playing.

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<v Speaker 3>I had the volume down, and then you're like, this

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<v Speaker 3>feels different if we turn the music off and we

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<v Speaker 3>put the volume on the game. You're like, Ooh, I

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<v Speaker 3>like this, this gives me the right type of anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What I realize is while writing this book, I just

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<v Speaker 3>have all these milestones of having all these different hangouts

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<v Speaker 3>with you and running these ideas with you, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like today, having this conversation with you, having

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<v Speaker 3>the book in your hand right now, it's this full

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<v Speaker 3>circle moment. We kind of closes the loop, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's that journey. It really is that journey that

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<v Speaker 3>matters less than oh I have a book out now

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<v Speaker 3>and I have to worry about how the book does.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, No, I got to have so much fun

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<v Speaker 3>doing this with some of my favorite people, and you

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<v Speaker 3>definitely are one of those people. So I deeply appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>you for being endlessly supportive of this and all my projects.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, No, man, it was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the best thing is hearing about your friends

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<v Speaker 1>working on stuff and working on it with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>you do the same for me and just I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is the joy of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're right, that is the best part about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the fact that now people can dive into

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<v Speaker 1>it is beautiful. And yeah, I wrote on the front

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<v Speaker 1>cover three pages in, you'll feel a thousand pounds later,

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<v Speaker 1>And I really feel that way. It's just made so simple,

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<v Speaker 1>It's made so easy and digestible, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we all need right now. The world's complex enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about that in the book Family Life. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all complex enough. We don't need growth to be complex.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, especially now with change. It's just please remember it.

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<v Speaker 3>The change isn't the enemy us. Resisting this change is

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to give us more anxious feelings. The change

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<v Speaker 3>is going to happen regardless changes of promise. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>constant wherever you are in the world. We're all experiencing

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of change, and that's okay, and if it

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<v Speaker 3>gets overwhelming, that's also okay. But please, the more we resist,

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<v Speaker 3>the tighter we hold against it, the more that we're

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<v Speaker 3>just doing damage to ourselves. It's not going to be helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's embrace the change that's happening. Be curious about

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<v Speaker 3>the change because that's where our courage can.

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<v Speaker 1>Be well said, and grab a copy of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm anxious it's available right now. Make sure you follow

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<v Speaker 1>Humble across social media if you don't already and Humble

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you come back many many more times to

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<v Speaker 1>have more of these conversations and a commay to hang

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend and chat more as well, my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you, brother, thank you so much, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super proud of you and really grateful for what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing in the world and excited for BEEO able

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<v Speaker 1>to read this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you brother.

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<v Speaker 1>If this is the year that you're trying to get creative,

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to build more, I need you to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break

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<v Speaker 1>into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods

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<v Speaker 1>that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. If you're trying to find your passion

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<v Speaker 1>and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,

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<v Speaker 2>Like as an artist, if you like it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all of the value.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the success comes when you say I like this

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<v Speaker 2>enough for other people to see it.