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Speaker 1: right now, to Levi Page, Crime online dot Com investigator

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Speaker 1: reporter Levi, what's the latives with Weinstein, Well, he has

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Speaker 1: Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigator reporter Levi, what's

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Speaker 1: How in the world are we right here? Right now?

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Speaker 1: you say, the tonic immobility? Tonic immobility, I've never heard that.

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Speaker 1: What is that? It's it's like the free state, when

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Speaker 1: when a person's in their stress response, they freeze, and

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Speaker 1: as much as they may want to scream and run

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Speaker 1: out of the room, they can't. They feel paralyzed, and

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Speaker 1: that's very confusing to a victim. I get a lot

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Speaker 1: of cases for women who are assaulted in getting a massage,

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Speaker 1: and afterwards they questioned themselves, well, why didn't I run?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't I scream? And the answer is they couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Their minds would not let them because they're sort of

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Speaker 1: playing dead as a defense mechanisms. A moment, I want

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Speaker 1: to go through this particular victim's claim, or should I

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Speaker 1: say alleged victim, Alexis Torreschuk, give me in a nutshell

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Speaker 1: what happened with Jeff Herman's client, Dominique Hewitt. She, like

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Speaker 1: many other women in Hollywood, agreed to take a meeting

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Speaker 1: with Harvey Weinstein at the Peninsula Hotel. This is back

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Speaker 1: in twenty ten, and she went to the meeting, which

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Speaker 1: I know it seems weird to people that I have

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Speaker 1: all of their business meetings, you know, at work in

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Speaker 1: a conference room. But this is the way that Harvey

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Speaker 1: Weinstein has been conducting his meetings for thirty years. That's

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Speaker 1: not unusual, alexis, I'm sorry, go ahead. So she shows

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Speaker 1: up to his hotel room and he's wearing a robe

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing underneath it. He grabs her and he

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Speaker 1: starts molesting her. And this this is exactly what all

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Speaker 1: of the other victims have said. They said that they

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Speaker 1: show up, he's in a robe. You know, he's this

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Speaker 1: huge guy, and so he's physically not only is he

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Speaker 1: physically intimidating, he is the most powerful man in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: He has made careers of so many people, so everybody

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Speaker 1: wants to work and destroy careers, if you believe Ashley Judd.

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Speaker 1: So when you say he molested her, what okay, Alex says, sorry,

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Speaker 1: but this is Nancy Grace crime stories. You don't get

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Speaker 1: off with sugarcoating it. What does she say happen? She says,

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Speaker 1: he grabbed her under his clothes, he grabbed her breasts

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Speaker 1: and he started fondling her and she was terrified. Well,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Jeff Herman, the lawyer who is taking

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Speaker 1: on Harvey Weinstein in two of these cases. Does that

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Speaker 1: jibe with what she's told to you? Well? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean what what what? He starts with the massage and

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Speaker 1: says she leg He says, giving massage, come on, let's

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Speaker 1: just looks. Help us calm down and relax. And she

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Speaker 1: resists it first and helped me calm down right, and

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Speaker 1: he persists, and eventually she finds herself giving him a massage,

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Speaker 1: and then he kind of rolls older and he starts

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Speaker 1: to masturbate, and he stands up and sort of masturbates

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Speaker 1: in front of her, and then then the meeting end.

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Speaker 1: Jef Herman, aren't you and Alexis trest shut leaving something out,

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Speaker 1: something called sodomy, Alexis, how did you leave it that

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Speaker 1: little fact? I did? I left out the fact he

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Speaker 1: performed oral sex on her because she felt like she

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Speaker 1: had too. Okay, Alexis, Jeff and doctor Bethany, let me explain.

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Speaker 1: When it's not consensual, it's not oral sex, it's a

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Speaker 1: cron And this is what Dominique Hewitt just said. Listen

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Speaker 1: to this alleged victim of Harvey Weinstein in her own words.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was a coercive thing, just that

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't let it up, that he that it was

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Speaker 1: just going to happen no matter how hard I refused,

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Speaker 1: And you said, no, how did it end? Did you?

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Speaker 1: How did you leave the hotel room? Um? It just

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Speaker 1: that I left after pretty much he was done with

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Speaker 1: whatever he intended to do, So I just left after.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to put it yet. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask Jeff, because he's there with you, your lawyer. You filed,

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Speaker 1: you filed the first lawsuit against them, and it's not

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Speaker 1: Harvey in particular, it's the Weinstein Company, and I'm wondering, Well, first,

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Speaker 1: let me ask ask you, Dominic. Do you did you

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Speaker 1: ever report it to the Weinstein Company or to the board.

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Speaker 1: I did not because I had heard a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories about his behavior in the past, and I just,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was an actress looking for a break

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Speaker 1: and he's a gate keeper, and he I felt that

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Speaker 1: he used his position, you know, to try to make

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Speaker 1: me do something that is not in accord with how

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Speaker 1: I usually behave. That was from NBC's Megan Chilly to

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Speaker 1: Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. Back to the man who

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Speaker 1: was taking on Harvey Weinstein in two of the alleged

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Speaker 1: sex assaults by the Hollywood superstar. I want to ask you, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you claim that you are very interested in taking Weinstein's brother,

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Speaker 1: Bob Weinstein's deposition, as well as other Weinstein Company employees,

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Speaker 1: to see who knew what and when? In other words,

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Speaker 1: were other people within the Weinstein Company complicit? Did they,

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Speaker 1: in my world, aid and abet him raping or sodomizing

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Speaker 1: unsuspecting women? Explain your legal theory, Jeff Herbert. The second

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Speaker 1: case that I filed for Katie and Noble actually also

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Speaker 1: sued Bob Weinstein and the Weinstein Company for exactly that

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Speaker 1: aiding and abetting what I considered to be a violation

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Speaker 1: of the Federal sex trafficking crimes in that they knew.

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Speaker 1: We alleged that Harvey was using his position of power

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Speaker 1: for decades to get women alone, sometimes in his hotel room,

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Speaker 1: where he would then coerce them and then use physical

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Speaker 1: force to get these women to engage in sexual behavior

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Speaker 1: with him, at the same time dangling help in their career,

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Speaker 1: which which in essence is sort of providing them with

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Speaker 1: some sort of benefit. And because of that, we think

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Speaker 1: that they're liable under these these sex trafficking laws. And

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Speaker 1: so with Bob there's allegations that he even was paid

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Speaker 1: for some settlements. You know, there's been settlements and allegations

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Speaker 1: going back for decades, even before there was the Weinstein Company,

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Speaker 1: there was Mirramax, and we believe that he knew it

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Speaker 1: back then. Jeff, who is your other client? So the

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Speaker 1: other client is Katie Noble, who is a young British

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Speaker 1: actress who met Harvey Weinstein at the bath To Awards

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Speaker 1: in London, and Harvey came over to her said he

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Speaker 1: loved her look, he was going to help in her career,

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Speaker 1: and then immediately put her in touch with people in

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Speaker 1: his company that she followed up with them and sent

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Speaker 1: him over a film reel, and then ran into Harvey

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Speaker 1: again at the Kem Film Festival, and she alleges there

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Speaker 1: that Harvey said, oh, I haven't had a chance to

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Speaker 1: see the film reel. Let's go up to my room

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Speaker 1: and look at it, which he did. But interestingly, when

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Speaker 1: they get up to the room, he calls what he

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Speaker 1: claimed he to be one of his producers, and he

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Speaker 1: puts the producer on the phone with Katie and and

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Speaker 1: the producer says to her, listen, Harvey is going to

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Speaker 1: take care of you. Just do whatever he wants. And

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Speaker 1: she's not really sure what he's talking about, but to

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Speaker 1: hang up the phone. They start watching the film reel,

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Speaker 1: and then Harvey says to her, listen, I just really

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Speaker 1: want you to like me, and he starts to touch her.

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Speaker 1: She says no, she walks away. He grabs her, she

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Speaker 1: alleges she drags her into the bathroom, where he puts

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Speaker 1: her in front of the mirror, and then from behind,

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Speaker 1: while he's watching himself do this, fondles her rest and

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Speaker 1: then takes out his penis and puts her hand and

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Speaker 1: holds it on her penis and masturbates himself while he's

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Speaker 1: watching this in the mirror. I'm just a little confused.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Alice in Wonderland where everything doesn't fit anymore.

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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to this. A beautiful young actress.

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Speaker 1: She's just absolutely gorgeous. Katian Noble. Here she is speaking

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Speaker 1: out saying, quote what he's done, it just ruins people's lives.

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Speaker 1: Then I went to Cans in May twenty fourteen, and

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Speaker 1: whilst I was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in the

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Speaker 1: majestics in the lobby. It was quite forceful in a

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Speaker 1: sense of telling me to relax, and I think then

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Speaker 1: I started to like get a little bit refused. He

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Speaker 1: took hold of me and pretty much forced me to

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Speaker 1: walk with him to the ballroom where he stood me

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Speaker 1: in front of the mirror and he stood behind me,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, what are you doing, and like

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Speaker 1: he's like touching me from with me and he's like,

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Speaker 1: just relax and I'm telling him to stop, and he

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Speaker 1: would raise his voice, but at the same time he

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Speaker 1: kept reassuring me that everything's going to be okay. Katie

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Speaker 1: Noble is a British model and aspiring actress who was

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Speaker 1: coming forward now over an alleged assault, and she speaks

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Speaker 1: through tears, saying what he's done ruins people's life. She's

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Speaker 1: doing not only Weinstein, but his brother Bob Weinstein and

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Speaker 1: the Weinstein Company, claiming they violated USX trafficking laws when

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Speaker 1: the high profile Hollywood producer allegedly assaults her brutally into

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Speaker 1: fourteen now. This action has been filed in the District

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Speaker 1: Court in Manhattan. She says that Weinstein used Naomi Campbell

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Speaker 1: and of all people Oprah Winfrey, who is like beloved

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Speaker 1: to trick her. Now, don't think Naomi Campbell and Oprah

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Speaker 1: Winfrey had anything to do with any of this, But

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Speaker 1: what she saw was this alleged victim. Kadian saw Weinstein

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Speaker 1: hanging out with Naomi Campbell and had Oprah Winfrey near him,

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Speaker 1: and she thought, wow, you know it must be legit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course, somebody like Weinstein would never ever

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Speaker 1: attack someone in power that could actually retaliate. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: his victims are people that he believed nobody would ever

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Speaker 1: listen to. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,