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Speaker 1: doing great. Welcome to Welcome to Los Angeles. Well, I

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Keenan Allen, that's what he's probably

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Speaker 1: doing here. Because I remember talking to Keenan last year.

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Speaker 1: It was comeing off the ACL surgery and he told

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Speaker 1: me that he actually believed he was faster than he

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Speaker 1: was before the injury. And by golly, if you watch

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Speaker 1: him last season, look for him a great season, monster season.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he gets in an avice breaks, he catches.

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Speaker 1: He's a hands catcher, not a body catcher. What I

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Speaker 1: mean is when you watch receivers guys who catch it

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Speaker 1: with their hand, with their body and their hands, that's

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Speaker 1: not the proper technique. You want to catch it away

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Speaker 1: from your body. And he does that. And look with

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Speaker 1: Travis Benjiman being that deep threat and Mike Williams and

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Speaker 1: Tyrrell Williams opposite Keenan Allen. I mean this is this

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Speaker 1: is this Forsom and then man Jeremy Davis. Wow, he's

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Speaker 1: a big body. He's another guy goes it, gets it.

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Speaker 1: So they're really deep at wide receiver. Yeah, R Tavis

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Speaker 1: Scott another guy Mike Williams teammate at Clemson, So that

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Speaker 1: may be their strongest position in terms of depth. And listen,

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Speaker 1: the offense is going to change a little bit. They're

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Speaker 1: the number one passing attack in the NFL last year,

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Speaker 1: but when you lose Hunter Henry, the tight end position

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Speaker 1: I think is a little bit of a question mark

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Speaker 1: at this point. But Virgil Green has shown flashes dating

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Speaker 1: back to his days in Denver. I just I want

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Speaker 1: to see how they replace that production that Hunter Henry

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Speaker 1: gave him last year because he can't ultimately replace it.

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Speaker 1: But when you talk about Austin Ekeler, a guy out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield, having those four wide receivers and maybe

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Speaker 1: getting someone from a Virgil Green or Shaan Coulkin, there

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Speaker 1: is potential there. Yeah. I think that when you really

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Speaker 1: look at Sean Colkin just made a great catch down

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Speaker 1: the left sideline by the way, right in front of us.

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Speaker 1: But it's real time, Adam, there you go? How you there?

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Speaker 1: You go? So against the Saint dB. But look, they

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Speaker 1: may resigned Antonio Gates. We'll see what happens there. I

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Speaker 1: know they've interested in bringing him back. Virgil Green, people

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Speaker 1: forget it Nevada. When he played with Colin Kaepernick, he

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Speaker 1: was a pass catcher tight end. He had a knee problem.

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Speaker 1: I remember reporting it back then, or he would have

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Speaker 1: gone on a third or fourth round. He was the

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Speaker 1: seventh round pick. That's I mean, that's what he was.

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Speaker 1: I mean now he's touched the problem right a run blocker,

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Speaker 1: but I know he can. He Actually when I was

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Speaker 1: here the first time three weeks ago, he looked really good.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna a committee at tight end. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be a team that's gonna spread it around with the receivers.

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Speaker 1: I expect him to go with more three and four

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Speaker 1: wide receiver sets because they're just not as strong a

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Speaker 1: tight end. And that's the thing, because that's the strength

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Speaker 1: of the football team, the receivers. Yeah, Philip explain yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty interesting during his press conference

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Speaker 1: after the after the practice, rather that you know, he

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Speaker 1: had a miscommunication with and Alan his interception. He said,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really worried about that, but he made a

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Speaker 1: play with Virgil that normally wouldn't be anything eye popping.

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Speaker 1: It was just a kind of a routine ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: yard pass or whatever it was. And he said, that's

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Speaker 1: the type of thing that he needed. He needed to

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Speaker 1: see that chemistry, that rapport with Virgil Green because some

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Speaker 1: of these guys are new, he hasn't worked with. Plus,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to look right now, Virgil Green's gonna

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Speaker 1: have a big role without Gates on the roster, so

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Speaker 1: he's got to be the guy and Hunter Henry being out,

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Speaker 1: and you knows one thing. Talking to talk to Tom Tolesco,

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Speaker 1: he related a story to me. It was interesting. He said, Look,

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Speaker 1: one of the things he really liked about Mike Williams

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Speaker 1: is that Tommy put in with Philip. He said, their

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Speaker 1: first day of practice, their timing was a little bit off,

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Speaker 1: and Philip and Mike worked after practice and Mike got it.

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Speaker 1: Mike knew, Look, this is Philip Rivers we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: He might be a Hall of Famer. You gotta get

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Speaker 1: chiming down. They missed it last summer. Remember they didn't

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Speaker 1: work they didn't have it, as you said, You're right,

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Speaker 1: he had a red shirt season mostly. I mean he

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Speaker 1: came in Week five. At that point we're moving on

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Speaker 1: run the game plan, right, So he didn't have a

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Speaker 1: training camp and now man him healthy Charger fans. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you something, Mike Williams. Now we know why

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Speaker 1: they drafted him. I saw it yesterday and I've been

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Speaker 1: hearing about him and I see it up close, and

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Speaker 1: to talk to Glasgow and I'm mc gagan about him. Wow,

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Speaker 1: they I guess apparently he's been awesome. And we'll get

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Speaker 1: you out here on this forecast. This AFC West. For me,

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Speaker 1: it's super wide open, Kansas City, reigning champs and they've

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Speaker 1: been a thorn in the Chargers side. Frankly, they've lost

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Speaker 1: eight straight to the Chiefs. You start with them week one.

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Speaker 1: A lot of other intriguing storylines starting with the Broncos

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Speaker 1: and Raiders as well. Yeah, I'll start with the Ladder.

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Speaker 1: The Broncos to me or team at it's hard to

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Speaker 1: figure out because their defense really dropped off last season.

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Speaker 1: Can they get it back to where it was a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago? Off? So they have a quarterback change,

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Speaker 1: offensive line, has been in flux, though the Broncos think

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Speaker 1: it's way ahead of where it was last year. Running

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Speaker 1: game is in question. It's a two man backfield right now,

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Speaker 1: so they have some significant questions. Raiders obviously are changing

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Speaker 1: offensive defensive schemes. Spent two days with them. Defensively is

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Speaker 1: the challenge. I think offensively, offensively they'll be fine. Khalil

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Speaker 1: Mack at this point, we don't know what he's going

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Speaker 1: to be back. At some points he's under contract, he'll

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Speaker 1: he'll report at some point in the near future, could

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Speaker 1: be a week, two weeks, three weeks, and then I

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Speaker 1: think it's a two team race. I think it's as

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Speaker 1: you set it up. I think it's the Chargers with

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I keep picking, I keep picking the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: They don't do it. I'm gonna do it again. I

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Speaker 1: know the Hunter Henry. You know what I know. The

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry injury is significant. I'm not doubting it is.

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Speaker 1: It definitely is. But coaching matters, and I'm expecting Ken

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Speaker 1: Wizzenhut to make a big jump this year. I was

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Speaker 1: pretty critical of wisnen on last season. I thought they're

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Speaker 1: an offensive underachieved. Ken's a good coach, and he needs

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Speaker 1: open things up this season. He needs to move the

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Speaker 1: ball down field mortivous receivers with that receiver group, Chris,

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Speaker 1: they got to be way more dynamic. To your point,

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Speaker 1: when Hunter Henry is no longer in the lineup in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, you do bring in a guy like Mike Williams,

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Speaker 1: so things could be tweaked a little bit. And if

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Speaker 1: training camp is any indication, Mike william could be really

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Speaker 1: the good point. Yeah, I do. Again, he's gonna play

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Speaker 1: a lot Tyroll Williams, assuming they don't move him, assuming

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Speaker 1: he's on the roster with for the full season. There,

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Speaker 1: Travis Benjamin, It's stills in a leite deep threat. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to watch the pass the game. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be fun. Yeah, Adam, you're the best man. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time. And what do you guy

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Speaker 1: going on in the next few weeks? Still, I guess

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Speaker 1: camps are done? Right? Yeah? This is my last camp.

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Speaker 1: This is it, This is it. I've been on the

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Speaker 1: road for a better part of four weeks and uh

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Speaker 1: after day I fly back to Philadelphia and be doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of radio locally. I started a podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Eagles you could follow me on Twitter, Kaplan NFL

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. On Twitter, you could find my link to

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Speaker 1: my podcast with my two friends Jeff Mosher and Bill

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Speaker 1: Osbourne where we break it down on the Eagles and

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Speaker 1: and kind of go over the Super Bowl champs about

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Speaker 1: what their their issues are. And it's already doing well.

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Speaker 1: We got two thousand lists within twenty four hours, so

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, World Champs. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people want to know what the Eagles are doing.

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Speaker 1: Adam next again, but thank you and that'll do it.

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Speaker 1: A big thanks to Adam Kaplan and Jeff Duncan for

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Speaker 1: joining me, and of course thanks to you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: Find us on Apple podcasts Why are there? Please leave

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Speaker 1: a review, helps spread the word and a reminder that

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Speaker 1: preseason game number three, the dress rehearsal game against the Saints,

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Speaker 1: is Saturday night on CBS. Kickoff is at five pm Pacific.

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Speaker 1: your free seven day trial enjoy the game this weekend

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Speaker 1: and until next time, I'm Chris Harry