1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: So check this out. Uh, that is the house, right, 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: so they run out here? 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Tell me who was in there? 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: Which one? 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: So, David Nick. 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 3: White and Amanda Lewis don't look like academics. If you 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 3: saw them on the street with their tattoos and their 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 3: restless energy, we probably guess indie music bandmates before anything 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: to do with the law. In fact, they're a young 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: married couple working with Georgetown University's Prison and Justice Initiative, 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: Amanda as doctor Amanda Lewis, a lecturer and research associate, 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: Nick in his third year of law school. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 4: And then. 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: Look at this little dog not bothering us. 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 3: And they both have a weakness for dogs. 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 5: Hello little dog? 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: Hello? Hello? Who is this? Oh? Hello? Okay, yeah, I'm 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: not going to this one him. 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 3: This afternoon, I'm here with them in Largo, Florida, as 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: they're doing some boots on the ground investigating on a 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: case from nineteen eighty nine. We're walking around the neighborhood 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: where this crime took place thirty six years ago on 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: Florida's Gulf Coast. It's hot as hell out here, and 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: we run into a man walking two little lap dogs. 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: He lives down the block and he's curious about the 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: microphone I'm holding. 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: Are you investigating case from nineteen eighty nine? 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 6: You? 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, did you? 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: Or I'm assuming you would have been way younger. 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: Nick and Amanda waste no time talking to the neighbor, 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: trying to find out more information. 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: What house was it? 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: It's an Airbnb. 35 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: Now turns out the case that they're investigating isn't just 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: any case, or even just any wrongful conviction. What somebody 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: passed away there or something murdered. 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: No, it was a it was a sexual assault case 39 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: and then it was interrupted. Someone was kind of slash staff. 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: Everybody was, you know, okay, But they convicted the neighbor, 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: who we believed had absolutely nothing to do with it, 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: and he's been in prison for thirty six years. 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 8: Yeah. 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: The man in prison is Kevin Herrick. You might remember 45 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: that name, and if you do, you might know why 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: I'm here. Kevin is Leo Schofield's best friend. They were 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 3: cellmates for more than two decades at Hardy Correctional Institutions. 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: Hopefully, so that's what we're doing now. 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 3: We're that's why we're here. 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 4: We can't find. 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: The first time I'd heard about Kevin's case, Leo was 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: still in prison. He mentioned it to Kelsey while she 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: was interviewing him. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 5: Kevin Herrick, who is my best friend? Who you know of? 55 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 5: Kevin is another one doesn't belong in prison? Yes, yes, yes, 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 5: exactly what's working on. 57 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: At the time, we just knew he was the other 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: guitarist who made music with Leo. 59 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 5: He's an incredible guy and we've been best friends for 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 5: almost the whole time we've been in prison. You know, 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: I don't think Kevin's innocent. I know he's innocent, like 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: I know I'm innocent. 63 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: Leo and Kevin met when they were both in their twenties, 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: soon after they were both convicted of serious crimes in 65 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: the late nineteen eighties. In prison, they both came to 66 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: believe in the other's innocence as fiercely as his own, 67 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: and their bond was forged in the long years of 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: unjust incarceration. But they also discovered they shared a love 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: of rock and roll and a drive to better themselves 70 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: through education. Not long after they met, back in the 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: early nineteen nineties, they put in a request to share 72 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: a cell together, and they studied each other's cases too, 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: talking evidence and strategy late into the night. 74 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, you'll drive yourself crazy. His is more insane 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 5: than mine. I'm not kidding. His case is insane. 76 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: They drafted pro sae motions for themselves at a time 77 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: when neither had a lawyer, but the courts gave them nothing, 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: and the decades passed spent shoulder to shoulder in the 79 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: darkest places, fighting battles on paper that never seemed to 80 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: reach the light of day. As they fought side by 81 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: side to prove their innocence, they developed a pact. 82 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 5: We always knew one of us has to get out 83 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 5: so the other can get out. So, you know, because 84 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 5: if I make it out, I'm not going to stay 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 5: out knocking on doors until Sonny pays attention to Kevin. 86 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: You know. 87 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 5: That's just the way that it's got to be. And 88 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 5: I know he would do the same for me, because 89 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 5: it's right. 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: Four years after Leo told Kelsey about his pact with Kevin, 91 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: he learned that freedom might finally be within reach. But 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: as his release drew closer, a haunting question followed him. 93 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: What if he walked out first, leaving Kevin behind. When 94 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: Leo was released on parole in April twenty twenty four, 95 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: he made his promise to Kevin unmistakable. He walked out 96 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 3: wearing a shirt that read Kevin is Next. I was there, 97 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: and in his first hours of freedom, he didn't dwell 98 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: on his own story. Instead, he turned to the fight 99 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: still ahead for Kevin. 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 5: And you know that's the reason why I have the 101 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 5: Kevin is Next. You know, I'm no different than he is. 102 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 5: I'm no better than he is, you know, because his 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: story is the and he counts, he counts. 104 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: About six months after Leo's release, I met him once 105 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: again in Florida, this time in a hotel room overlooking 106 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: the water. We talked about everything he'd been doing since 107 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: getting out. He told me about preaching in local churches 108 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: and public speaking, but he always brought it back to 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: Kevin and the fight to prove his best friend's innocence. 110 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 5: I will never ever be happy with him in there. 111 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 5: I can't be happy out here. I am very happy 112 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: for my family myself. I'm not saying I want to 113 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 5: go back and live in prison. I couldn't do it now. 114 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 5: I couldn't go back. And once you got me here 115 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 5: and I started, you know, assimilating back into free society, 116 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 5: there's no way I can go back to that lifestyle. 117 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 5: But it was very difficult to leave it, and sometimes 118 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 5: I regret leaving him there. You know, I didn't just 119 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: leave him in Vietnam. I left him in the heated battlefield, 120 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 5: you know. And it's not just he's at bay somewhere. 121 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 5: You know, he's in the field, and it's a never 122 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 5: ending war. At the forefront of my mind, not the 123 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 5: back of my mind, the forefront of my mind. Mostly 124 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 5: every waking moment, I'm trying to figure out, how are 125 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 5: we going to get him proven innocent. The deal is 126 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 5: one of us has to get out to get the 127 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 5: other out. In ninety two when we met, I was 128 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 5: playing in the rock band back then that's inside the prison, 129 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 5: and he had an interest in playing guitar, so he 130 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 5: spent a lot of time watching us in the band. 131 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 5: And I remember him, you know, picking up the guitar 132 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 5: one day and just holding it, and I said, you 133 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 5: want to learn how to play that thing? And he 134 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: kind of acted like, you know, because I know it's 135 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 5: going to take some time. But I told him, I said, 136 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: it's not as hard as your think to put something 137 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 5: in it. And so I remember putting his fingers on 138 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 5: the fretboard of the guitar to form a decord and 139 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 5: when the first clause you should learn. And then he'd 140 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 5: have his finger on the wrong place, not here, fool, 141 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 5: and I'd move it and put it there until he 142 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 5: could get it right. 143 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: They started playing together in a prison band called the Watchers. 144 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: Lee and Kevin began writing songs side by side, songs 145 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: you might even recognize, like this one, can. 146 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 7: Well you here my madness. 147 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: Laughs, sorrows damn So. 148 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 6: This vally. 149 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: Bone Valley Kevin is next Part one. I'll be honest. 150 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: When Leo first told me years ago that his best 151 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: friend in prison was innocent, I was doubtful. Two men 152 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: in the same cell, both serving life for crimes they 153 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: swore they didn't commit. It sounded like the old jailhouse cliche. 154 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: I carried that skepticism until le said something that made 155 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: me stop and reconsider. In all his decades inside, he 156 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: could count on one hand the number of men who 157 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: ever claimed they were truly innocent. If there's one thing 158 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: I learned about Leo is that when he told me 159 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: something was true, it was worth looking into. So I 160 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: emailed Kevin my number and asked him to call me 161 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: and Enry at a Florida department of correction constitutions. 162 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 4: To accept this call, press zero to refuse this call. 163 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: This call is from a. 164 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 9: Correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. 165 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 4: Thank you for. 166 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 9: Using Global Telling. 167 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: Hell, hey, Kevin, good good. I'm sorry I missed you. 168 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: I was setting up and you called and I was like, 169 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: oh boy, hope he called back. As I talked to 170 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: Kevin on the phone, he talks to me about Leo 171 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: and their friendship. 172 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: You know, Gilbert, I've known Leo for thirty five years 173 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: or thirty since ninety two, wherever that is, thirty three years. 174 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: When somebody tells you that they're innocent and you're innocent, 175 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 4: and it is with Leo, it just automatically connected. And 176 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 4: you meet a guy who is actually innocent, like Leo, 177 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: and then you do anything to try to help him, 178 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: because you know. The thing that binds Leo and I 179 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 4: together as the most I think, is that we know 180 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 4: exactly what it feels like to be each other. I 181 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: don't know what it's like to lose my wife, but 182 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: I know what it's like to sit there, hopeless in 183 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: a self with life sentence for something he didn't do. 184 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: But eventually I ask him about the details of his case, 185 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: and he gets right into it. He takes me back 186 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: to the late nineteen eighties, when he was twenty two. 187 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: Kevin was living with a girlfriend in Chicago, but the 188 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: relationship was falling apart, so Kevin returned to Florida, where 189 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 3: he grew up and checked into a hotel. 190 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: You know, money really tight. Figured I needed to find 191 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: some friends and you know, get back on my seat, 192 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: he had established. So I was slipping through a phone book. 193 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 3: It's nineteen eighty nine. No Facebook, no Google, no cell phone. 194 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: Kevin can't afford to keep staying in a hotel, so 195 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: he looks for someone familiar to reach out to. Slipping 196 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: through the phone book, he spots a name he recognizes, Pory, 197 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: the mother of a childhood friend. Pat. Kevin had grown 198 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: up just down the street from the Pory family. As 199 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: a kid, Kevin used to have sleepovers with Pat and 200 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: his brothers. 201 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: You know, all the kids would come over to Pat's 202 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: house and play one way we're younger. 203 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: So he calls the house and Pat. 204 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 4: Answers he happened to be there, picked up the phone. 205 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 4: He said, Hey, now how's it gone? I said, know, 206 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: he just came back from Chicago, staying up here. 207 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: Kevin tells him he's back in town, and Pat says, 208 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: I'll be there in ten minutes to pick you up. 209 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: Kevin had grown up with Pat, but hadn't seen him 210 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: in years, and the man who pulled up wasn't the 211 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: one he remembered from child at. 212 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 4: The best description I can give you of Pat is 213 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: he was a male stripper, great shape, very ripped up, 214 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 4: six pack, dark black hair, chiseled jaw. You'd throw on 215 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: a bandana around his head or something or a headband, 216 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: and he was the spinning image of Rambow, except extremely 217 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: shorter and small. When I first seen him, I was like, 218 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 4: holy cow man, look at you. Deeper voice than I remember, 219 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: but the same Pat. You know, Saint Pat I met 220 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: as a kid. 221 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: The two friends grab lunch and catch up on lost time. 222 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 4: And he says, why are you staying in a hotel? 223 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: He says, why don't you come see mom? And I 224 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: got a room you can stay there. 225 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Pat brings Kevin back to the same triplex where he 226 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: had sleepovers as a kid, a one floor you shaped 227 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: building with three connected apartments. Hat and his mom, Missus Pory, 228 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: still lived in the biggest of the three, apartments at 229 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 3: the bottom of the U. Two young couples lived in 230 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: the other units. Missus Pory was the landlord. She owned 231 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: the whole building. 232 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Risa at that time, little older probably I would 233 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: guess in her sixties. She was very short, maybe five ones. 234 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: She was typical Italian mother who you know. She used 235 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 4: to beat me and my brother with spatula when we'd 236 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: be over there playing hyper woman, you know, I mean 237 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 4: she when she'd scream at you, you knew she was 238 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: I'll get you, you know. But a beautiful heart, just 239 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: a great mom, a neighborhood mom. 240 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: But she'd aged quite a bit since Kevin had last 241 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: seen her. 242 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 4: At that when we came there, she was on oxygen. 243 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: She had a severe emphasema. She had like two hundred 244 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 4: feet of hose and surprisingly she could get everywhere. He 245 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 4: would go everywhere and do everything, you know, And you 246 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: know how Italians are you walking the door and the 247 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: first thing, have you eaten and sit out? You're gonna 248 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: get something to eat. So that's kind of how she was, 249 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 4: especially with me. So she was very open and very 250 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: welcoming for me to come stay there and get on here. 251 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: And Pat and missus Pory invite Kevin to stay in 252 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: their extra bedroom. 253 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 4: I was in the back bedroom. Pat said, Harry, stay here. 254 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: It's July nineteen eighty nine. Kevin had been at the 255 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: Pories for a few weeks, and he'd wanted to show 256 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: his gratitude to missus Pory for allowing him to live 257 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: with them. 258 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: I didn't want to just freeload off from Teresa, so 259 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: I'd go day labor, get a little bit of money, 260 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: buy some cigarettes and food and whatnot, and give her 261 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: twenty bucks. So it want an a moach. Didn't want 262 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: to be a moch or anything. 263 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: He'd also do chores on the house for missus Pory, 264 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: like mowing the lawn. 265 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: Through cutting the grass. I came across on the other 266 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: side and I meet Scott Barfield. 267 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: Scott Barfield is running one of the other units of 268 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: the triplex. He's around the same age as Kevin. 269 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 5: Pat and I. 270 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: We would be more cut off sleeve T shirt guys. 271 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: Scott's more of a dress shirt guy. We probably looked 272 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: a little more rugged than he would. 273 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: As Kevin mows the lawn, he sees Scott working in 274 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: his yard. 275 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: He's out there working on a little pond that he 276 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 4: has out behind his sliding glass doors a little ditch, 277 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 4: not ditch, but a holy doug and he's got a 278 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 4: turtle pond. You go figure. But so we started talking 279 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: and you know, one thing leads to another. He says, 280 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: you smoke pot. 281 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, the hangout smoke some pot. Scott tells Kevin 282 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: that he lives with his girlfriend and their two and 283 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: a half month old son. And not long after, Kevin's 284 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: standing in the courtyard with Teresa Pori when he meets 285 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 3: Scott's girlfriend, Cheryl. 286 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: Teresa and I are standing there for whatever reason. I'm 287 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 4: sure I'm smoking it because that's what I've go outside for. 288 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 4: And how comes Cheryl Blondell comes out of the apartment 289 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: where Scott lives. So I realized, this is, you know, 290 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 4: his girlfriend or wife or whatever. She's got her little 291 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: little baby in her arms, you know, and which is 292 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 4: automatic magnet for for Teresa. She sees a baby, oh 293 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 4: you know, runs over and so I meet her. She 294 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 4: was going to check her mail, and I was like, 295 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 4: you know, she's got the little little baby bundled up, 296 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 4: got the little hat on him or whatever. And I said, no, 297 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: I'll go out there and get check your mail for 298 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: you know problem, so that's what I did. We talked 299 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 4: a few minutes, and then we went about our business. 300 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: While Kevin is living with the Pories, often goes out 301 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: partying at the strip club where Pat's girlfriend works. Other 302 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: nights were quieter and they cross paths with the neighbors. 303 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: It's the late nineteen eighties, watching a movie Mint, driving 304 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: to the video store, renting a cassette, and hoping your 305 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: VCR didn't eat the tape. One night, Pat and Kevin 306 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: brought a video rental home but couldn't get it to play. 307 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: Kevin knocked on Scott and Cheryl's door to ask for 308 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: a VCR cleaner. Instead, Cheryl invited them in to watch 309 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: the movie at her place. 310 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: She tells us that Scott's at a bachelor party, is 311 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: going to be gone all night long, and she's home 312 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: by herself. 313 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: Glad to have company, Cheryl puts the baby to bed, 314 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: makes popcorn. They smoke a little weed and watch Cocoon, 315 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: a movie about elderly people who discover the Fountain of youth. 316 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 3: It's set in the same Gulf Coast area of Florida 317 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: where Kevin is living with the Poories. After the movie, 318 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 3: Pat and Kevin head back to their apartment and go 319 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: to sleep. The next night, Patt invites Kevin to go 320 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: out to the strip club for once. Kevin says, no. 321 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: It's kind of ironic that the one night in my 322 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: life that I didn't want to go party, if I 323 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: would have went out and partied, I don't see this 324 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 4: ever happening to. 325 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 9: Hey, y'all, it's Maggie. I'm here to tell you about 326 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 9: a new show I've been working on for the past 327 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 9: two years. It's called Graves County and it's an investigative 328 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 9: series about the murder of a young mom in Kentucky 329 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 9: and just how far are legal system will go in 330 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 9: order to find someone to blame. Here is the trailer 331 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 9: for Graves County. 332 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 4: All I know is what I've been told, and that's 333 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: a half truth, is a whole lie. 334 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 9: For almost a decade, the murder of an eighteen year 335 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 9: old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, 336 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 9: went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a 337 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 9: handful of girls came forward with a story. 338 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, we know, we know. 339 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 9: A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, 340 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 9: and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. 341 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: Through sheer, persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give 342 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: justice to Jessica Current. 343 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 9: My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning 344 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 9: journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth 345 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 9: were that easy to find. 346 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 7: And I did not kill her or raid or burn 347 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 7: or any of that other stuff that y'all said it. 348 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 9: They literally made me say that I took a match 349 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 9: and struck and threw it on her. 350 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 8: They made me say that I'm pore guests on. 351 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 9: Her From LoVa for Good. This is Graves County, a 352 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 9: show about just how far our legal system will go 353 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 9: in order to find someone to blame MARKA. 354 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: Y'all betta work the hell up. 355 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 5: Bad things happens to good people in small towns. 356 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 9: Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley Feed starting 357 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 9: September seventeenth on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever 358 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 9: you get your podcasts, and to binge the entire season 359 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 9: ad free. Subscribe to LoVa for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. 360 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: On the evening of July fourteenth, Kevin decides not to 361 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: go out partying with Pat. He talked to his girlfriend 362 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: earlier that day and promised her things would be different. 363 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: He was going to sober up and get his act together. So, 364 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: while Pat, dressed up looking like Rambo as usual, heads 365 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: to the strip club, Kevin drops by. 366 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: His neighbor's place, so knock down the door. Cheryl answers, 367 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 4: you know, how's it going Scott home? She says, no, 368 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 4: Scott's not here? Is okay? Well, she said, come on 369 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 4: to be home anytime, you know, come on in. She 370 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 4: invited an inn and we sit down and let's see. 371 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: They have a chess board set up. We ended up 372 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: playing a couple of games of chess. 373 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: When Scott gets home, he's got a couple of friends. 374 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: With him, so Scott says, you know, hey, let's let's smoke, 375 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 4: pulls out a bag of pot, rolls up a couple 376 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 4: of joints. We all smoke it. 377 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 3: After a while, Sheryl and Scott say they're heading out 378 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: to a drive in movie with their baby. Everyone leaves 379 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: and Kevin goes back to his apartment. Pat's still out 380 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: of the strip club, but Teresa Pori is there hooked 381 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: up to her oxygen tank. Kevin makes some hamburger helper 382 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: and offers missus Pori, a great Italian cook, a plate 383 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: hamburger helper. 384 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 4: And what she's like this is not goved. 385 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: Kevin watches some television, but he's gonna call it a night. 386 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: It's about eleven PM. 387 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: Teresa was sitting in the kitchen. Went told her to say, 388 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna crash. I wouldn't say burnt 389 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 4: out from smoking with Scott and Cheryl, but you know, 390 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: it's a few hours later, kind of mellowed out, relaxed. 391 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: I went in, laid down, grabbed my book The Rest 392 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 4: of Our Lives, and read for about twenty minutes, and 393 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 4: I went to sleep. 394 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: What happens next would change Kevin's life forever. He told 395 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 3: this part of the story to Georgetown's Nick White, who 396 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: did Kevin in prison. 397 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 8: Next thing I know, Teresa wakes me up. 398 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 7: She's screaming in the room, screaming, and I don't know 399 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 7: how to describe her other than it's just this little 400 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 7: Italian woman who is going with Zark that the girl 401 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 7: next door is being raped. 402 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 8: She's shaking me. I wake up. I look at her, 403 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 8: I hear what she's saying. I jump up. I call 404 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 8: on my shorts and I run to the front of 405 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 8: the door. 406 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 7: When I come out Teresa's door, Cheryl's standing to my 407 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 7: right holding her baby, and she's screaming over and over. 408 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 7: And when I say screaming, she is screaming. She's not 409 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 7: just saying don't leave me, don't leave me, but she 410 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 7: is screaming, don't leave me, don't leave me, don't leave me, 411 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 7: don't leave me. 412 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: Kevin says that at this point it's just him, missus Pori, 413 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: and Cheryl with the baby standing outside in the middle 414 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: of the night. 415 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 7: It's got to be within a minute. It can't be 416 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 7: more than a minute, two minutes if that, Scott's coming 417 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 7: down the walkway towards me. 418 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 3: Scott, his neighbor, who usually looks put together, is running 419 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: up the sidewalk towards the triplex. He's frantic yelling a 420 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: series of numbers and letters a license plate he's just seen. 421 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 7: He's scraming it over and over and over, and he's 422 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 7: adding right down, he might. 423 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: Kevin says, that's when the neighbor in the third unit, David, 424 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: comes outside. 425 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 8: Tell David get a piece of paper. 426 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 7: He runs back in his door, grabs scraps piece of paper, 427 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 7: comes out, writes down license plate number. 428 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: David says he'll call the police. Kevin turns to Scott. 429 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: He's out of breath, his shirt unbuttoned. 430 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 7: I'm looking at him. I can see his chest. He's 431 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 7: got two puncture marks and he's bleeding. He's breathing hards. 432 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 7: Chest is in and out. 433 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: Scott tells Kevin what happened. That he'd walked into his 434 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: apartment and interrupted a man's sexually assaulting sh Arrol in 435 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 3: their bedroom. The man slashed Scott twice with a knife 436 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 3: for a scalpel, ran out the door, and Scott chased 437 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: him down the street, but the assailant escaped over a 438 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: backyard fence to a parking lot. That's where Scott said 439 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: he thought he saw the assailant getting into a car, 440 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: so Scott memorized the plate then ran back home. 441 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 7: He says, man, I chased the guy to a car. 442 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 7: The guy got away in the car. This is a 443 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 7: license plate number, I said David Scott that he's getting 444 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 7: it to the police. 445 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 8: I said, okay, okay, and I'm looking at it. He's looking. 446 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: Kevin says he told Scott the police were on their 447 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 3: way and that he should probably deal with the weed 448 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: in his apartment. 449 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 7: You got your stuff sitting in the livery room. You 450 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 7: need to go put away your pot. He's got a bong, 451 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 7: he's got all kinds of crap. And I said, the 452 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 7: cops are come. They're going to come. You don't need 453 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 7: to get, you know, busted for possession of weed. 454 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 8: So he says, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes in there. 455 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 8: She stays out there. 456 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 7: She didn't necessarily go, and she probably went in and 457 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 7: out a couple times before, but she stayed there with 458 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 7: me and Teresa David standing there. 459 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: The neighbors stand out front, shaken, unsettled, trying to make 460 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: sense of what just happened. Then police cars and an 461 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 3: ambulance pull up. Kevin says he waved them in, directed 462 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: them where to go, and then stayed outside with the 463 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 3: other neighbors. As officers began their investigation. 464 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 7: Officer Crosby comes over, ask me who I am, what's 465 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 7: my birthday, social Security number? And what do I know 466 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 7: about what happened? Those are the four things this man 467 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 7: asked me. He didn't ask me. 468 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 3: He tells police he doesn't know what happened. That missus 469 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 3: Pory woke him up and he ran outside to find 470 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: ryl screaming and Scott rushing up the sidewalk with blood 471 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 3: on his chest. Scott is taken to the hospital by ambulance. 472 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 3: Kevin goes back inside to sit with missus Pory, who 473 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: is upset by everything that's happened that night. A few 474 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: hours later, there's a knock on the door. 475 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 7: I don't take nothing up and I opened the door. 476 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 7: There's the cops. I actually say, Kevin, can we talk 477 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 7: to you. Let's say absolutely a step, go to step 478 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 7: out there, grab me, throw me on the ground, handcuff 479 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 7: may picked me up, and a cop says, we found 480 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 7: your fingerprints on that door, pointing to Scott and Cheryl's door. 481 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 8: You're the one who did this. 482 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 9: Least because the. 483 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: Sun is beginning to set over the Gulf and we're 484 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: walking on the sidewalk outside the triplex. Three decades ago, 485 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: in this very apartment, Kevin was reading a book called 486 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: The Rest of Our Lives, A quiet night turning ages 487 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: until it ended in chaos, police bursting in handcuffs, County 488 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: jail next door. Something had happened in Scott and Cheryl's apartment, 489 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: something that would change Kevin's life forever. He was convicted 490 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: of aggravated battery, burglary and sexual battery. Sentenced to life 491 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: in prison without parole, where he remains today. 492 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: All lif y'all want to say, Yeah, I don't know 493 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: Kevin's on the phone. 494 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: Also, you're you're now here with Gilbert and a microphone 495 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: is shoved up to the speakerphone. 496 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: Hi, Kevin, what's that be over? 497 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 8: How are you? 498 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 7: Man? 499 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: I'm doing good man. 500 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I'm thinking they just called count time they did. 501 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: I can't believe I've been waiting. 502 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: An hour and a half to get on the phone. 503 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: Man. 504 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 5: Man, it's great talking to you guys. 505 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 7: Obviously a big weekend. 506 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 4: I'm definitely gonna have to go with Doug if you. 507 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 8: Have one remaining. 508 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: To bite. 509 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: In our next bonus episode of Bone Valley, we'll uncover 510 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: what happened that night and why Nick and Amanda now 511 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: believe they found evidence that could finally prove Kevin Herrick 512 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: is an innocent man.