1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Dear 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: dumb ladies, officers don't tell a lot. All crimes begin 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: with a lie, As we say in Japan. Don't you 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: know that? Why don't you keep it to yourself? You 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: seem to be at a loss, so why not let 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: us help you. We'll give you a clue. We entered 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: the factory by the front gate. The typewriter re used 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: is panwriter. The plastic container we used was a piece 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: of street garbage, signed Monster with twenty one faces. Welcome 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: to the show, ladies and gentlemen. What you just heard 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: was an excerpt from the subject of today's episode, as 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: read by our very own Matt Frederick. That's me, Hello, 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Hey Matt, thanks for coming. Uh 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: and my name is Ben. Of course, as always we 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: are here with with no uh fox eyes brown? About that? No, 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: the fox eyed brown. He's gesturely as and what I 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: assumed to be the common sign of the fox side. 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Oh and the fox call and the fox call. We're 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: not going to ask you to do alright, alright, that 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: was too far. No there, Oh my god, he did it. 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, as an armchair Fox expert, Yeah or 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Fox putologists the word I just made up. Uh, so 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: I can verify that if that, if that were actually 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: a Fox and where I actually Fox expert. So here 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: is our audio follow up to an earlier video that 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: we created about unsolved crimes. Previously, we covered the famous 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: Tom m or tomm shut case, the case of the 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Summrton Man. Just I just want to say I I've 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: always heard it as tom un with an end should, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: but then upon our research, we realized, no, it's it's 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: always been tom m should always That's what that was 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: what was written on the note. Yeah, and uh, it's 35 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, it might this is something 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: that listeners can can help us with, perhaps because as 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, some languages that are non Romance or non 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Latin languages have some difficulty with translation, right, which is 39 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: why for a long time, Uh, they were probably if 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: you're old enough, you may remember in your lifetime some 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: names of cities have changed, like Bombay became Mumbai, uh, 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: picking Beijing, things like that. So this might be a 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: case of Fitzgerald the author who did the translation of 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: the rubiat which we refer this may be a case 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: of him uh using maybe an outdated nomenclature or something 46 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: like that. Neither you uh, where I speak FARSI is that? No? 47 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean it, I do not speak Okay, Well, the 48 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Somerton case was only one of the cases we mentioned 49 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: in the video. We also mentioned, uh, some bizarre spree 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: killings in Belgium, some feet that were shown up all 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: over the place in the northwest north Pacific, northwest. Yeah, 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: and we also mentioned one other case, one of the 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: most famous unsolved cases in Japanese criminal history, and that 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: is what is known as the Monster with twenty one 55 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: faces met. What you just read at the top of 56 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: the show was a quote from an actual letter sent 57 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: to some police departments. Uh, I have kind of taunting 58 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: at very much taunting the police departments. Yeah, as things 59 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: were kicking into high gears. So let's go ahead and 60 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: just start at the beginning. What what happened? How did 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: this case begin? Well, it all begins with this candy 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: company called Glico in Japan. Uh. And like all other companies, 63 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Glico has a CEO, so their their CEO's name was 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Katsuhisa Eazaki, and these two armed masked men broke into 65 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: Katsuhisa's mother's house and stole a key uh from for 66 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: his house, Okay, from his mom. And this was when 67 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: this happened. Uh. They they did some some pretty heinous things. 68 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: They bound some people up right, They tied up his 69 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: wife and uh one of his children, and cut the 70 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: telephone cords. They raided the bathroom where they found the 71 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: CEO and his other two kids hiding. That's right. And 72 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: then they abduct abducted the CEO and they held him 73 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: hostage at a warehouse. Uh. They issue a ransom as 74 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: wealth one billion yen and one rams of gold bars. Uh. 75 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: That's got to be a tense situation if you're the 76 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: CEO of the company and you wonder, well, one billion 77 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: yen one of gold, what's going to happen to me? 78 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: What's the board can't do? If the board gonna cut 79 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: their losses and be like, yeah, sorry, we can find 80 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: another ceo. Uh. Luckily he did not have to address that, 81 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: uh frightening question. Uh. And and you know he didn't 82 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: have to get to the ultimate answer because he managed 83 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: to escape the warehouse three days later. However, he was 84 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: not able to identify any of his abductors. And this 85 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: was far from over. Yeah, so these guys had masks on. 86 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm assuming they wore them the whole time. So I mean, 87 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: when once you're out and you're trying to figure out 88 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: who these people are, if you don't have clear motive 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: already beforehand, then how do you know who these guys are? 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: That's that is a scary, scary situation. So a few 91 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: weeks later, a couple other things happen that some vehicles 92 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: that are in the parking lot at Glico are set 93 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: on fire. Then there is a container of hydrochloric acid 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: um and and a letter that accompanied right yeah, and 95 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: a threatening letter written to Glico itself. They were found 96 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: in Ibaraki. And let me take a moment here to 97 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: point out that my Japanese is going to be terrible. 98 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: My pronunciations, uh and thank you to everybody in the 99 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Summrson case. There are people who wrote in and said, hey, guys, 100 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: your your pronunciation of the Australian stuff not that bad. 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: Yeah we did, Okay, Well we have we have some 102 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: really supportive audience C plus B maybe so this uh 103 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: so the Japanese is not going to be spot on here. 104 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: But the warehouse where this guy was originally held hostage, 105 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: that's where this That's the same town that this letter 106 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: came to. And this was the first and a string 107 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: of letters from a person or a group of people 108 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: dubbing itself the Monster with one Faces. Interesting side note here, 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: they did make up that name. No, No, it's based 110 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: off of a Japanese detective series, I believe, which is fictional. 111 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Uh And but it's pretty well known in Japan. It's 112 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: named after the villain in one of those detective in 113 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: that detective series. Uh. These letters claim that Glico candies 114 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: were laced with potassium cyanide soda, meaning that it would 115 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: quite possibly kill people who ate it. Yeah, and if 116 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: not kill them, make them very very very ill. And 117 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: you can't have that if you're a large company like that. 118 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: That this is just not this is not a good 119 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: idea to allow this product to go out. So Glico, 120 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: as you might assume, they pulled, they pulled their their 121 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: stuff off the shelves, but they didn't just pull the 122 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: possibly contaminated once. They just pulled everything. They pulled a 123 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: lot of stuff and they were also, um, they were 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: doing this based entirely on the threat. Yes, there was 125 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: not evidence found at that time, but this was a 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: massive loss for the company, twenty one million dollar loss. 127 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: And keep in mind this is in the eighties. Uh. 128 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: And they had the layoff almost five hundred employees because 129 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: of this expense. And that's a twenty one million dollar 130 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: US right yeah, yeah, yeah, not yet and uh, after 131 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: months of tormenting Glico, the Monster it's twenty one faces, 132 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: uh forgives them, says we forgive Glico and that was 133 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: their final letter. But they weren't done yet. But it's crazy. 134 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: I guess they they caused enough damage. I'm trying to 135 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: put my head in the mind of these the Monster 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: twenty one faces. Just I guess they saw that the 137 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: company had been I defeated in a way, at least 138 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: according to their standards, so they're like, you know what, 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: it's okay, guys were cool. So they moved on, and 140 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: they they turned their sights on a couple other companies 141 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: who produced food, um oh Man Marudai, ham House Foods 142 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Corporation and Fujia. Right yeah, and this this was straight 143 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: up extortion pretty much, right. Uh. And at the time 144 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: in Japan. It's important to note that this was a 145 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: campaign of over terror. You know, people were some for 146 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: the first time, were terrified about the possibility of crime 147 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: because Japan, in comparison to a lot of other countries, 148 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: is a very safe place. You know, this is this 149 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: is not the place where you would think you would 150 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: accidentally die because you ate you bought some pockey, which is, 151 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: by the way, my my favorite, my favorite thing that 152 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Glico makes. You know what I'm talking about, the little 153 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, don't get the strawberry. I'm not I'm not 154 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: a fan of strawberry, and I have no illusions about 155 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the nutritional value or lack thereof. Man that chocolate saw 156 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: stuff is on point anyway. So they told Nade that 157 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: they would stop harassing this company if one of their 158 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: employees gave him ransom money fifty million years, specifically on 159 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: a train. So the police forces have an investigator disguise 160 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: himself as an employee, and while he's disguisedes an employee, 161 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: they don't see exactly the place where they're instructed to 162 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: hand off the money because they're supposed to like throw 163 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: it from a train kind of. But they do see 164 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: a guy later becomes the prime suspect as a representative 165 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: of the monster. Twenty one faces and that is the 166 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: so called fox eyed Man, which goes back to your 167 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: nickname today. No, the man was well built, he had 168 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: short hair and it was permed, and he was and 169 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: he was described as having eyes like those of a fox. 170 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: So after this police officer investigator dress his employee drops 171 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: the ransom, he and this other guy try to follow 172 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: the fox eyed Man, but they lose him, and then 173 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: they get an other close chance to catch him again, 174 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: but he evades him again. He's pretty good at it. 175 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: It feels so cinematic to me. It feels like this 176 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: is a script that was written. But no, No, ladies 177 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, this happened. Yeah. And after the after this 178 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: event and during these close calls, the monster is mailing 179 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: more harassing letters towards the police. And a year later, 180 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: after a year of unsuccessfully investigating this finding no leads, 181 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: catching no criminals, the police superintendent, a fellow named Yamamoto, 182 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: commits suicide because of this case, and he does it 183 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: by setting himself on fire, allegedly because he's ashamed of 184 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: his failure to capture the fox eyde man. So five 185 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: days after the death, little less than a week, the 186 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Monster of twenty one Faces sends a final letter to 187 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: the media, Matt, do you want to do the honors? Sure? 188 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: Yamamoto of Shiga Prefecture police died. How stupid of him. 189 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: We've got no friends or secret hiding place, and she 190 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: got it's Yoshino or Shikata who should have died? What 191 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: have they been doing for as long as one year? 192 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: In five months? Don't let bad guys like us get 193 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: away with it. There are many more fools who want 194 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: to copy us. No career. Yamamoto died like a man, 195 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: so we decided to give our condolence. We decided to 196 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: forget about torturing food making companies. If anyone blackmails any 197 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: of the food making companies, it's not us, but someone 198 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: copying us. We are bad guys. That means we've got 199 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: more to do other than bullying companies. It's fun to 200 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: lead a bad man's life. Monster with twenty one faces 201 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: And with that, the monster at twenty one faces did 202 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: not surface again, or at least hasn't hasn't been seen 203 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: to surface. So this crime, this series of creams, remains 204 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: unsolved seventeen months from the initial kidnapping to the last 205 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: known letter which you heard part of there, and this 206 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: was a historical and historical hinge. You know, this turn 207 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: the public perception of a crime free and safe Japan, 208 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: and it leaves us with a lot of questions. One 209 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: one thing that people would say is that the suspects 210 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: would most likely be yakuza, you know, the organized crime 211 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: rings of Japan. It certainly seems like there was a 212 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: lot of organization going on, coordinating where to be and 213 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: when and knowing information about their victims. And in j 214 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: statute of limitations ran out for the kidnapping an assault, 215 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: and then in two thousand the limitations for the poisoned 216 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: food products also expired. So what's interesting is the fox 217 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: sybe man as well as some other unidentified guy in 218 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: a hat we're seeing different times during the seventeen months. 219 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: The guy in the hat was actually seen putting food 220 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: onto a shelf, uh so actually participating in the in 221 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: the poison right. So after the after the release of 222 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: the identicate, you know, to try to find a perpetrator 223 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: in the Tokyo Metropolitan Police believed the culprit was a 224 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: guy named Manabu Miyazaki or U mr M, which is 225 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of a cool name, uh he And it's because 226 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: he had in nineteen seventy six released a tape about 227 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: supporting a union that was in a labor dispute with 228 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Glico way back in seventy six, and it's set and 229 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: according to the police, this had a lot of similarities 230 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: to the tone of letters sent by Monster with one 231 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: faces could be motive. And in seventy six and seventy 232 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: five there were whistleblowing incidents that were also attributed to 233 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: the guy. Uh tak came about Glico's dumping of industrial 234 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: waste into rivers. Uh So he was also suspective a 235 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: couple other things. But here's here's the thing. His father 236 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: was the boss of a local yakuza organization Akuza organization, 237 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: and the guy himself apparently bore resemblance to the fox 238 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: side Man, which one of our listeners on YouTube said 239 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: that was just sort of a phrase for someone with 240 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: crazy eyes. But I don't know again, not a not 241 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: a foxologist? Is there a foxologist in the house. I 242 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: just always want to There's a sketch of him you 243 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: can find online, and is the way they depicted his eyes? 244 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I can see what they're saying. And there in two 245 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: thousand or so there were rumors that there was actually 246 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: North Korean involvement, and there were you know that that's 247 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: not as readily accepted as the accusations of organized crime 248 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: in general, or should I say, domestically organized organized crime. 249 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: But we have to ask ourselves, you know, will will 250 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: this case ever be solved? It? Will it be like 251 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: a deathbed confession? What what were the long term results? 252 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: What was the ultimate motivation behind this? You know, was 253 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: was the group doing this profiting in some other way 254 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: by um damaging the reputation of Clico may be competitors somewhere. Yeah, 255 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a decent question because we're really 256 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: looking for here now is motive? Yes, that's the strange part. 257 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: There's not really an explanation of motive, at least in 258 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: the letters themselves, other than we are bad guys and 259 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: it's fun to lead that kind of life. What if 260 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: it was an early take on the health food movement 261 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: where they were trying to punish companies who make delicious 262 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: sticks with candy on them. Yeah, but again, stay away 263 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: from strawberry, you know, the you know, that's that's an 264 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: interesting angle too. But the problem is with that that 265 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: there's not very much in a way of proof. That's 266 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: just conjecture. Well, and and if you know, let's say 267 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: that they were successful and they got the ransom money. 268 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: When you're getting ransom money like that, even in the eighties, 269 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: it's going to be trackable in some way. You know 270 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: that each each UH bill is going to have numbers 271 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: on it that you can trace. Sure, you would need somebody, 272 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, like an organized crime to wash that money, 273 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, to funnel it through different things, different gambling 274 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: things or pachinko parlors, things like that, which I would 275 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: make sense, But that's just connecting, you know, between gambling 276 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: and those sympathizers. That isn't in any way to say 277 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: that there is proof that any North Korean sympathizers were 278 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: behind the monster with twenty one faces. But then again, 279 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: there's not too much solid proof that the Yakzo is. 280 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: It's just sort of like there the there that would yeah, 281 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: because that's a crime family and this was clearly organized, 282 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: well thought out. The methods of contact and delivery for 283 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: the time UH did did show that this was not 284 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: anyone's first rodeo you know what I mean. So what 285 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: this leaves us with is another point that we should make, 286 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: which is a lot of the contemporary reporting of this 287 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: the stuff that was happening in the eighties at the 288 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: time was of course written in Japanese and remains in Japanese. 289 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: So now I'd like to put out um a request 290 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: for those of you listening with knowledge of Japanese. Is 291 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: there a is there an additional piece of this story 292 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: that you think is missing for people who primarily speak English, 293 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: And if so, what, because we'd like to hear it 294 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: that for We could even put a little addendum at 295 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: the end of another episode where we discuss something that 296 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: you wrote to us, written to us, that would be great, 297 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: That would be a great follow up, and we could 298 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: also look at it on our new live show. We're 299 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: on Periscope usually around four pm. Uh, I guess Thursday's 300 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: or Friday's right some yeah, sometime near the end of 301 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the week Hunt And we do hope you tune in 302 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: and check that out. We we hope you're enjoying looking 303 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: at some of these crimes. These are just sort of 304 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: one oh one instances, but yeah, le's to send you 305 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. Right, yes, or the foxhole or whatever. Right. 306 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: I was going to say candy hole, but for some 307 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: reason that sounds strangely dirty. It's just your face. Oh, 308 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: because people eat candy. Yeah, okay, I was like a 309 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: personal insult, and I thought Matt were on air. Sorry, 310 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: what have I done? Um? So we're going to go 311 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: ahead and in that Oh wait, do you hear that 312 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: it was the fox call? Screety? He's back. Oh it's no. 313 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know if that's really what it. 314 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: Fox sounds like I heard they had they kind of shriek, 315 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: you know. It's interesting. Uh, there's a the domestication project 316 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: that went on with foxes that you've probably heard about, right, Uh. 317 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: The I believe it was a Russian project, and the 318 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: idea was to see what would happen when they bred 319 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: foxes increasingly for domestic purposes, turning them into pets. Because 320 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: very few animals are actually domesticated. You contame individuals, but 321 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: domestication is when the entire uh the entire type of 322 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: animal is just ready to hang with people. So what 323 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: they found was that the fox has got floppy ears 324 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: and retained some juvenile characteristics, and they do make that 325 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: crazy unholy sounding. Yeah, so you nailed it, but it 326 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: wasn't too far off. So you were talking about Pocky, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 327 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: what about yan Yan? Have you ever had yan Yon? 328 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: I have? I have not. What is ya? It's like 329 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: it's like a little dipping sticks, you know. Yeah, it's 330 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: like Pocky. Okay, okay, it's like I'll tell you. It's 331 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: one of those things that whenever I met a place 332 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: and they sell it, I have this moment where it's 333 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: like dunk a ruse. It's like dunkaru Okay, okay, whatever, 334 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm in a place where they saw that stuff. I buy. 335 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: I buy a couple just just to have on board 336 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: on hands. I don't really eat sweets, but it must 337 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: have been a nostalgic thing for me or something that's 338 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: a fun thing to offer to guests. To me, they 339 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: have them at the place where I get my bond nies. 340 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: Right around the corner from my house. They've got the 341 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: pocket Pokey. Do you go to Lee's. It's a Lee's bakery. 342 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: Oh man. Okay. So if you're ever in Atlanta and 343 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: you you like Mom and me, just sandwiches, just sandwiches 344 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: or just sandwich is sort of the perfect sandwich. You 345 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta check out Leaves because it's so cheap. Yeah, 346 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm as a cheap skate. Their deal really appeals to me. 347 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: You can get six sandwiches for the price of five, which, granted, 348 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: is entirely too many sandwiches for one person. This episode 349 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: brought to you by Leaves Bakery. Oh no, I would 350 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: love it if they were, if they were sponsoring our show, 351 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: that I would ask just for payment and sandwiches really 352 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: that good. I once did the six sandwich deal and 353 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: I just put them in the fridge and brought into 354 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: work every day and it was the last week of 355 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: my life. Man. Yeah, whoa, I don't know why I 356 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: haven't done that. I remember that week. That was a 357 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: high point for all of us. You're just smiling. Yeah, 358 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: So what do you think about this? Do you think 359 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: they're ever gonna find the perpetrator of the or the perpetrators? 360 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's sometimes, you know, these things 361 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: just don't ever get solved. I guess I don't know. Well, 362 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: it's it's also strange because we know that some organized 363 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: crime families have especially in this uh in this country, 364 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: some organized crime families have pretty close links with police 365 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: departments and law enforcement, you know. So it's it follows 366 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: then that it is entirely possible for members of the 367 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: police department and members of perhaps even the Japanese media 368 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: to know exactly who this is, but for one reason 369 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: or another, to have participated to cover up. And uh, 370 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in this because I want to know 371 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: what happened with this, you know, I want to know 372 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: where it occurred. And you know, this wasn't that long ago, 373 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: relatively speaking, especially in comparison to the Summerton Man. So 374 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: it's quite possible that people who participated in this are 375 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: still alive. Oh yeah, Oh, I'm I'm most certain because 376 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: this isn't just a one or two person deal. I 377 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: don't I don't think it's possible that this is one 378 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: person to person deal. I mean, I know how it 379 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: is today, but it seems like there was certainly a 380 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: time where the yakuza wielded almost more control and power 381 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: than the police force itself. And I mean it was 382 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: probably you know, the police force was more beholden to 383 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: the accusa than the other way around. See, I feel 384 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: like we learn about that in hindsight and if we're 385 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: in this forever loop of control getting larger and larger 386 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: with organized crime within our institutions, but we just learned 387 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: about it. I don't know, it seems to me, at 388 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: least in the States. It's maybe this is completely not true, 389 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: but it seems there's there's a sense that organized crime 390 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: isn't you know, what it wants, what it once was, right, 391 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: has it devolved or But then also it reminds me 392 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: of the old question of or the old idea that 393 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: organized crime is always going to be around the question. 394 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: It will be who perpetrates the most, and you'll have 395 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: people like you know, Gary Webb, the journalist clearly clearly said, guys, 396 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: the CIA is participating organized crime and with much more 397 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: success than the Gambinos or whatever. And perhaps we're perhaps 398 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: we are arriving in a place where the differences between 399 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: some factions of law enforcement and some factions of criminal 400 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: empires are are not as distinct as they once were. 401 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: So so yeah, to your appointment, it does make sense 402 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: that uh, the quote unquote traditional organized crime could be 403 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: falling off, but um crime, like any other thing in 404 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: nature of bores a vacuum. So somebody else is going 405 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: to step in. Are you wait, wait, are you guys 406 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: a fan of crime shows? Mom? Stuff? Yeah? I was 407 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: actually just gonna ask Matt how you felt about the 408 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: True Detective finale, and don't don't ask me that, just 409 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: tell me it. Did you watch it? Yeah? I did? Okay, okay, 410 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: all right, really fast. So I don't think you can 411 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: sit and judge something like that by just saying, oh, 412 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: it was awful, and that's not that's not what that means. 413 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: It means I think that there is deeper meaning to 414 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: be read. From my first viewing of the season, I 415 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: think that it wasn't shown as much on the surface 416 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: as season one was, where you had a character like 417 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: rust Cole who was kind of explaining to you what 418 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: the symbols mean, what the the deeper thing that you 419 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: could find within maybe these symbols within this. I think 420 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: it exists there and that for that, I'm very happy. However, 421 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: I think it's I really personally think it's suffered from 422 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: having too many characters, trying to tell too many stories, 423 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: and not being able to focus its energy onto one 424 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: or two things. It was just weird for me because 425 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: it almost felt like by the time it found its footing, 426 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: it was like too late kind of yeah. I mean 427 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: the last two episodes, three episodes even to me, we're 428 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: pretty solid, and I almost like I was hate watching 429 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: it up to that point. I'm not kidding, Like I 430 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: was just, you know, hate watching Yeah, I really was. 431 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: I was just like, this dialogue is awful, these characters 432 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: don't make sense, casting is just lopsided and bizarre. Then 433 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: by the end it was like, oh, wow, okay, there's 434 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: really some stuff coming home to roost here, and like 435 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: there's actually some really interesting development and some of the 436 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: things that at the time seemed ridiculous for these characters 437 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: to do actually sort of make sense in the grand 438 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: picture of the things. So I would argue that maybe 439 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: it's worth watching, like binge watching, you know, like give 440 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: a sense of who the characters are you don't forget 441 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: because it's like one thing that I had a problem 442 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: with is like there would be characters that you maybe 443 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: saw once or twice and then maybe we're named once 444 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: or twice and then you don't even see him again 445 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: until they pop up and oh they're actually really really important. 446 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: But use that again. I don't want to get to 447 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: overboord with it. I just wanted to do a little 448 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: post because I actually wanted to talk about Ben and 449 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: I discussed it briefly, and I'm sorry, Ben, I don't 450 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: mean to just talk and talk and talk to you 451 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: about about I think I really you like, I have 452 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: pacing problems and and too many characters. You're You're right, 453 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, give it a chance. If you have not 454 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: watched it yet, give it a chance. It's a good 455 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: conversation starter, that's for sure. Oh yeah, oh yes, just 456 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: like season one. My favorite parts of watching season one 457 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: within coming to work and then discussing with everybody what 458 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: we think is happening or what's going on? Oh. I 459 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: loved this season one, and for an entirely selfish reason 460 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: because I did think it was it was a great 461 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: show and the time you spent on its shows. But 462 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: I loved it because suddenly people cared about the book 463 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: The King and Yellow and other stories, and uh, I've 464 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: never heard of it. Well, I had only heard of 465 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: it because it has, you know, it has this love 466 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: crafty and air and it got sucked into that whole 467 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: methos And uh, Josh might still have my copy or 468 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: did I just get another copy? But the book itself 469 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: has some has some pretty neat stuff to mythology. It's 470 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: hitt and this for sure it has ah literally well 471 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: as virtually nothing to do with this stuff. And True 472 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: Detective thematically it makes sense because the Yellow King is 473 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: in that book a a figure like there's this three 474 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: act play, that's what. And the three act play occurs 475 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: in these different stories and the ideas that when you 476 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: read the first act, it's great, it's interesting. On second 477 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: act blah blah blah. By the time you get to 478 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: the third act, you are insane and your brain is 479 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: driven to the darkness beyond the stars Decarcosa where the 480 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Yellow King dwells and that kind of stuff. And uh, 481 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: that's not really what True Detective is about at all, 482 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: but it is. It is an interesting thematic underpinning. And 483 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: unlike the Monster with twenty one faces, the True Detective 484 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: case was solved. Yes, some people sort well, there's a 485 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: spiric victory, yes, and uh, not to give We don't 486 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: want to give too much away here. We want you 487 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: guys all to be excited about watching these shows because honestly, 488 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: when there's good television or a good story put on camera, ah, 489 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: it just makes us all happy. I think, Yeah, there's 490 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: a there's a renaissance I believe for TV shows. But 491 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: also also I defer to you guys opinion on this 492 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: because you're both far more knowledgeable about film in general 493 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: than I am. I'll have conversations with these guys, ladies 494 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, where if if a lot, if a bunch 495 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: of movies come out at once, and I will walk 496 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: up to maternal or some of our other coworkers, uh 497 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: and ask them which one I'm supposed to watch, because 498 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: they just I have died way through all of them. 499 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, should we should we go ahead and talk 500 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: about the Gifts now? Or no? No, let us never 501 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: speak of that horrible, horrible film other than to say, 502 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: lady and gentlemen, we are going to help you. We're 503 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: going to save two hours of your life. Don't see 504 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: that film, man, I don't you know. I hate to 505 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: be so blunt about it. Well you know what, Maybe 506 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: you'll like it, Maybe you'll like it, takes all types. 507 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. I hear great things, alright, So 508 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: before I give myself it to a troubler, go on 509 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: another rant. We are going to head out. Reminder, Please 510 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: do let us know what you think about the monster 511 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: with one in one faces. Will this ever be solved? 512 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: And please let us know what other unsolved crimes exist 513 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods on your part of 514 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: the globe. You can write to us directly. We're Facebook 515 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: and Twitter Conspiracy Stuff. You can also check out our 516 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: podcast on your choice of streaming device or i ituning 517 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: you can you can itune it if that's a verb, 518 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're we're like old school ituners. We've 519 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: been around for while on that one, not as long 520 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: as some, but we put in. We put in some time, uh, 521 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: and we have new episodes coming out every week. We 522 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: also have, as you mentioned, the live show. But hey, 523 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: Matt ben Noel, you might be saying, I do have 524 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: some feedback, but I don't feel comfortable posting it on 525 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: a public forum like Facebook or YouTube or Twitter. We 526 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: totally understand it, but we'd still love to hear from you. 527 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 1: Write to us directly at conspiracy at how stuff works 528 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: dot com from one on this topic another unexplained phenomenon, 529 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: visit YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff. You can also 530 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: get in touch on Twitter at the handle at conspiracy Stuff.