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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blizzarre from lazarn Hello, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: Joined has always buy powers.

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Speaker 2: Risk.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars The thing I

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Speaker 1: hate about people complaining about Tony You don't like it

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Speaker 1: because you can't stop it. There's a way to stop

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Speaker 1: the touch push. Don't let the Eagles get to third

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Speaker 1: and one. Some people say there's injury concerns. All the

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Speaker 1: data suggests that there's no injury problems. Is a lower

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Speaker 1: injury rate. And then there's the it's not a real

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Speaker 1: football play. You might want to look up the history

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Speaker 1: of the sport where it has its roots. You want

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Speaker 1: to beat the good teams, get better, don't ask the

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Speaker 1: league to stop them for you catch. That was a

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Speaker 1: good take by you on the touch push. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. I don't give you a lot of compliments

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Speaker 1: on new takes, So there you go.

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Speaker 3: You know it's genuine when I rarely do that. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 3: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two. Next couple

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Speaker 3: hours talking Patriots OTAs.

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Speaker 1: We literally just.

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Speaker 3: Walked from the practice field into the radio studio as

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Speaker 3: practice was wrapping up for the Patriots here on this Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to get into all of our takeaways.

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Speaker 3: We'll start the top of the show with that. We'll

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Speaker 3: take your lovely calls and emails as well as the

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Speaker 3: show goes on here. But we'll open with the show

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Speaker 3: with just our general thoughts on this practice. And I

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Speaker 3: would say the big storyline from last week was the

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Speaker 3: interceptions by Drake May during the open practice to the

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Speaker 3: media last Tuesday, Right, was it Tuesday or Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: Last week?

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Speaker 3: Today's Wednesday, So I think it was last Tuesday that

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Speaker 3: Drake May had that four interception practice heard around the world.

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Speaker 3: That was a big story. Interception free practice for Drake

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Speaker 3: May today. That's always a positive. There weren't any turnovers.

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Speaker 3: There was a time when the ball hit the ground

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Speaker 3: on a boarded snap, but frankly, it happens really quickly

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Speaker 3: and there's no film to go watch back, so I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure if that was a center quarterback issue. Is

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Speaker 3: a quarterback center exchange issue, Let's just put it to

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Speaker 3: you that way. But no interceptions, that's a positive. I

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Speaker 3: still thought though in general, and look, it's it's May

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Speaker 3: like we always say it's May twenty eighth. It's a

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Speaker 3: long way away from even padded practices, let alone the

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Speaker 3: season or preseason. But there was still a general feeling

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Speaker 3: of maybe uncertainty or just inconsistency that I saw from

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Speaker 3: Drake May in the number one offense, where it still

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Speaker 3: felt a little bit clunky at times. There are some

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Speaker 3: high throws, there were some holding to the ball. Doesn't

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Speaker 3: always seem like he's one hundred percent sure what he's

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Speaker 3: looking at just yet. So good news, it's turnover free thought.

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Speaker 3: He had some moments today that he maybe didn't have

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Speaker 3: last week, and in the positive direction that we can

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Speaker 3: break down. But in general, I still feel like we're

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Speaker 3: in those early days of a transition right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just looked unsure at times, which is the

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Speaker 1: best way I can put it, not all the time.

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Speaker 1: He did get in a rhythm there at one point

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Speaker 1: midway through practice, and really was Hunter Henry that kind

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Speaker 1: of helped get him through it, which duh, right, it's

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Speaker 1: his favorite receiver. So but just yeah, it's it's clearly

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one pass, you know, over the middle

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Speaker 3: just a dig cut and cut to Henry that he

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Speaker 3: And so there was some of that, maybe not the turnovers,

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Speaker 3: So far, we've seen a lot. They've done a lot,

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Speaker 3: May's skill set really nicely to have the pocket move

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Speaker 3: think those are all good things that they've done schematically.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, and again it's probably too

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Speaker 3: early to be having these conversations as his basic install

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Speaker 3: it's still Josh mcdaniels's system. They're still running a lot

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Speaker 3: hugely different offense. But what's been your impressions just of

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely to wonder how much of it

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Speaker 1: it's it's Josh McDaniels. Like there's some new wrinkle ish

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Speaker 1: I wonder who's designing this, Like it's a Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 1: designed offense very clearly, and they'll they'll work wrinkles in

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Speaker 1: using a fallback, right, that's textbook Josh McDaniels. A lot

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Speaker 1: but we've seen this a lot. When McDaniels is the OC,

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Speaker 3: So the other big picture takeaway offensively, then we can

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Speaker 3: going to try to turn Travon Henderson into a featured

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Speaker 1: A much different skill skill set, you know, much more explosive,

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Speaker 3: The other the flip side of that is you don't

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to make him happen. I don't

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Speaker 3: out of it. Well, now you can show the jets

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think it's you know, when we try

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Speaker 3: Like this feels a little bit different to me than

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Speaker 3: what they did with those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost feels kind of Dion Lewis ish, but

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Speaker 1: they're gonna I don't think he's going to have one role.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is we know and it it

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Speaker 1: changes with some guys, but traditionally Josh McDaniels does not

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Speaker 1: throw everything out there with a young running back, right,

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Speaker 1: it is a slow burn. It is a slow build

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Speaker 3: And it's also some of the things that they're asking

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Speaker 3: Now, him and Trevon Henderson in this setting should be

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Speaker 1: heah turnings thirty in the summer's had a major injury,

433
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Speaker 1: and right is he in the contract? Yeah, that's thirty

434
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Speaker 1: in August. So uh, maybe that's probably the biggest thing

435
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: working against him. But he knows this offense, he can

436
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: succeed in this offense, and he can succeed with Drake

437
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: may So. A couple more things on their receivers.

438
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk still off to the side doing grounds on

439
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 3: air with an offensive assistant. That probably stems I'm we're speculating,

440
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: just to be clear, but that probably stems from the

441
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: injury at the end of last season.

442
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: He's yea all the way.

443
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 3: Back for shoulder, right, Yeah, he's not all the way

444
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: back for full team stuff. Yet he's been doing everything else,

445
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: just not the full team periods, but he's off to

446
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: the side doing routes on air and going pretty hard.

447
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 3: Like I'll give him credit for that, right, Like, I

448
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 3: know it's routes on air, and I'm not like sitting

449
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: here telling you that it's breakout season and just.

450
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Speaker 1: Kind of walk through the rehab stuff.

451
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Speaker 3: He looks like he's taking it on with the right attitude.

452
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: But it did stand out to me at least, and

453
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Speaker 3: I think we were talking about this during practice that

454
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Speaker 3: they as they were going down the depth chart and

455
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: getting you know, ones, twos, three circling in there, it

456
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: did stand out to me that Javon Baker was near

457
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Speaker 3: the back of the line. Now, maybe we shouldn't look

458
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Speaker 3: too much into depth charts in may and all that

459
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: is fair, But what do you think about You always

460
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: tell me to look at like who's playing and when right,

461
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: and when Javon Baker is out there and Ben Woolridge

462
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 3: is the quarterback that's thrown him the football, it's just

463
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: notable that he's out there with those types.

464
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Baker's the one guy that's working with all

465
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Ye, Like he's all over the place, which

466
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: tells me they're really unsure maybe of what they have

467
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: in him. Yeah, and by them, I mean the coaching staff.

468
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf obviously is still here. He drafted him, but

469
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Speaker 1: you know, they want to see they want to try

470
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Speaker 1: him in different roles, and they want to try them

471
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Speaker 1: in different combinations and see what's going to happen. So

472
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Speaker 1: I think it's like anything's possible with him. I saw

473
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: some people talking about Mike Vrabel walked off the field

474
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: with him after practice and the two were chatting, like,

475
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Speaker 1: he's made some great catches in this camp. They've come

476
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Speaker 1: against guys who probably aren't going to make the team,

477
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Speaker 1: and they've come on the field with a lot of

478
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Speaker 1: guys who probably aren't going to make the team. So

479
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: he's doing He's making some plays. But at a certain point,

480
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: what we'll be telling is, all right, does he lose

481
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: those Woolridge reps get more with the first team, and

482
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Speaker 1: then can he contribute as consistently. Consistency has been a

483
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: problem for him. So when you see him kind of

484
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Speaker 1: making big plays against those lower units, you're not seeing

485
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: him pop as much with the top unit. That's where

486
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: you wonder, al right, like is he turning a corner?

487
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: Is this just Yeah, he's an NFL caliber player. He's

488
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: better than some of these guys that are brought in

489
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: for camp, right, But when you have just other guys

490
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: on the roster who have a stronger case to make

491
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: the team, he's gonna need to do He still needs

492
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: to do more well.

493
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Speaker 3: The big throw that he caught down the field was

494
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: an obvious push off that.

495
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Would have been not a complete OPI.

496
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Speaker 3: I mean he just literally tossed the guy to the

497
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 3: ground like that would have been an OPI. But he

498
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: does right. He runs a nice inbreaker, like a nice

499
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: dig route. You know, at the second level. We've seen

500
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: him do it a little bit even last year, especially

501
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: in the preseason. Was one of Drake May's like first

502
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: like in rhythm, in structure throws.

503
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Speaker 1: That he made.

504
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Speaker 3: I want to say it was against the Eagles in

505
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: the preseason. Backside incut, he runs that route pretty well,

506
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 3: So there's still some juice there. And I watched Javon

507
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: Baker and I'm like, this guy's got juice. He's got talent,

508
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: Like you can see, he's got explosive movements if he

509
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: can just kind of put it all together. But unfortunately

510
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: for a lot of guy guys that are drafted where

511
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: Javon Baker's drafted and have similar stories. That's always their

512
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: story is he just never really was able to put

513
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: it all together. And that's just kind of the world

514
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: that that Javon Baker is in right now. A couple

515
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: more notes on offense for me, and then i'll if

516
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: you have any leftovers. Eft and Chisholm still smooth, still

517
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: running with the second unit, but still looking pretty smooth

518
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: out there, still catching passes. Wrote his number down a

519
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: couple of times.

520
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned smoothness.

521
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Speaker 3: That those little jump cuts that he does in the

522
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: open field, they are kind of fifty like the one

523
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: thing that you watch with him on the tabe with

524
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Speaker 3: Eastern Washington. He just doesn't have a ton of bursts

525
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands. Once he gets into

526
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: the open field. He's not gonna outrun or run away

527
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: from anybody, but he's got that short area of quickness

528
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: and he's got some jump cut ability. And my guy

529
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: land Larrison just catching all the checkdowns again with backups

530
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: against backups, but uh checking, you know, checking those boxes.

531
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Speaker 1: This early in camp.

532
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Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see, you know, at what point

533
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: do we see maybe Chisholm start to elevate a little

534
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: bit on the depth chart, or Laris and start to

535
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 3: elevate a little bit on the depth chart. But those

536
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: two guys I thought did the same thing they did

537
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: last week, which was when their opportunities presented themselves. They

538
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: were noticeable on the field, especially Chisholm. Chism has been

539
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: noticeable and both these practices.

540
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, when do those guys move up? I think that's

541
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Speaker 1: probably something we get to more in the summer. Once

542
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: the pads come on. They're on the right track, they're

543
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: on the right trajectory. I just don't think these are

544
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Speaker 1: the kind of practices where you're making that kind of move.

545
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're both doing what they need to do

546
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: and absolutely doing what they need to do. Anything else

547
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: on the offense stand out to you. Morgan Moses was

548
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more relatively full participant. I don't think

549
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: he did one hundred percent of the team reps, yeah

550
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: that that top unit was out there, but he did

551
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: nine last week. So he's trending in the right direction.

552
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: That's good to see. And he had a knee procedure,

553
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: knee surgery, right, Yeah, he's working back from something he

554
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: knew the and I think he said that last week, Yeah,

555
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: talked about Kyle Williams. Jae Bell had a really nice

556
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: catch today. Yeah yeah, Jahem Bell made a nice like

557
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: diving slide and catch. Craig Woods was all over him

558
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: like it was good coverage. Dobbs underthrow it a little bit.

559
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: I think he'd probably try to lead Bell away from

560
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: coverage and it just turned in and one underthrow. But

561
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Bell adjusted made a play on the football like Hooper

562
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: was out here today. So we got to see a

563
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: little more CJ. Deprie, a little more Jahem Bell, Jack

564
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: Westover looking like he's still squarely in the mix for

565
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: a roster spot, So got to see a little more

566
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: of those guys today. I would say Jaheen Bell did

567
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: a good job of his opportunity.

568
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: With his opportunity, Drake may is starving, and not that

569
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry can't do this, but he he loves to

570
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: throw the seam.

571
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: He loves two routes. He loves the seam, and he

572
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: loves a.

573
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: Nice sale route right a corner flag, you know, into

574
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 3: the sideline with the outside receiver clearing it out like

575
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: he loves that. Those two routes and Jahem Bell, even

576
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: though he's not necessarily that traditional inline wide tight end.

577
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: There's a lot of evidence on his college tape of

578
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: him stretching the seam and being able to make those

579
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: types of plays down the field as.

580
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: He does it more from the slot than like traditionally.

581
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: Right, and so he can do that, you know, he

582
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: can do that sort of thing, and just when you

583
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: watch these practices that that's really and if I had

584
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: to say, like my most positive I guess outlook about

585
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: this offense with Josh McDaniels is that McDaniels is very

586
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: good at accentuating the middle of the field and Drake

587
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: May is very good at accessing the middle of the field.

588
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: So those two guys together should marry up pretty well

589
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: in that sense. I always see Drake May when he's

590
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: going through progressions and things like that, he wants to

591
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: throw the ball through the middle of the field.

592
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: He wants the seed the tight end, seat wants Bryson Desbet, Yeah,

593
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: he wants that tight end. Team.

594
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: Whoever can do that the best out of this group

595
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: behind Henry and Hooper are obviously going to be here.

596
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: I think has a really good chance to make this team.

597
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: And as we move forward, we were talking about this

598
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: a little bit of practice. And I know this is

599
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: getting a little head of ourselves and away from the

600
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five season, but we are a draft show.

601
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: We are an off season show. That's our wheelhouse.

602
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: And as we move forward here, evaluating tight ends, trying

603
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: to target tight ends in the draft that can stretch

604
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: the seam and have that vertical juice to their game,

605
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 3: I think is going to be something that we're going

606
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: to talk a lot about in the twenty twenty six offseason.

607
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: Like that seems like a skill set that they could

608
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: really unlock with Drake May with the right guy, and

609
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: we'll see if they can find that guy. Personnel wise.

610
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: Moving over to the defense, there's you know again, you know,

611
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: tackling anybody to the ground. There's a ton of physicality

612
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: for the defense out there. But the one consistent theme

613
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: upfront from the defense has been that four man defensive line,

614
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: Like that's clearly the unit that they want to roll

615
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: out Week one against the Vegas Raiders of Landry Barmore,

616
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: Williams White like, those four guys are have been consistently

617
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: working together in all these practices. Every once in a while,

618
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: Chase On will rotate in for Land and get some

619
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: run at that right or left, I guess the spot.

620
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: They've both been on the field together at times too.

621
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: Like that that unit though, those four guys together with

622
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: Chase on you know, also kind of being that that

623
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: fifth and maybe Tonga over the nose in some of

624
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: their early down based office.

625
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: Just huge man, he's so big just seeing him out

626
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: that you see him every time, you can't miss him.

627
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: That that group has been on the field a lot

628
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: and pretty consistently throughout these practices. So the two takeaways

629
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: I have from that are one, it's pretty clear, and

630
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: I I will like, I haven't been the biggest key

631
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: On White guy. I've kind of felt like he's a

632
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 3: little bit of a tweener. Maybe Keon White's like not

633
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: that he's a bad player by any means in the

634
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: old system, and he wasn't a bad player, like he

635
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: was probably one of their better defensive players last year.

636
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: At least. It's certainly at the beginning of the year

637
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: it looks.

638
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: More natural for him in this system, already playing with

639
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: his hand in the dirt, and.

640
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: He said that he said he wants to play more

641
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: like he said that his first year his biggest concern was,

642
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: like he didn't want to blow an assignment. Yeah, more

643
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: than any like more than more than being worried about

644
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: making a play. He didn't want to blow an assignment.

645
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: So this his assignment in his defense is to make plays.

646
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: This is this looks like a really good fit for him.

647
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: And he's going to play more with his hand in

648
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: the dirt, and he's going to play close. He's not

649
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: going to be all the way outside the tackle. Is

650
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: probably going to be their head up or right outside

651
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: the tackle, like in a five technique, And he just

652
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: seems like he knows, you know, he's being allowed to

653
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: get up the field.

654
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: Obviously, there's a lot of pass rush reps in a

655
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: camp like this, where Drabels called it a passing camp

656
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: multiple times, so you're going to see a lot of

657
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: pass rush stuff. But I just I like what I've

658
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: seen so far out of him. I think this is

659
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: a good fit for him in this scheme. But those

660
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: four guys have been pretty consistent on that defensive line.

661
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah they have. I thought Joshua Farmer had a really

662
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: good day to day from that group up front, broke

663
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: up a pass line of scrimmage, had another screenplay he

664
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: almost grew up blew up. Even Anthony Jennings, who we

665
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: talked about last week. I think I was going to

666
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: bring him up next. Yeah, he had a really good day.

667
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: A couple of would be sacks. Again, it's non pads.

668
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: You put as much sock into that as you want to.

669
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: But they they are they are deep up front, especially

670
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to the rushers. Uh, when it comes

671
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: to guys on the edge, We've talked about them, maybe

672
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: need another tackle, but they they have good depth on

673
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: the edge, and that group got after it today. I'm

674
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: interested to see.

675
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: You know, I was going to bring up with Jennings

676
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: because I thought he flashed a couple of times today too.

677
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: Definitely had one that would have been a sack, one.

678
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Like a clean right away sack, and another that And

679
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: there were a few times too where they they collectively

680
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: collapsed the pocket. It would have been a sack. But

681
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: you don't look at that one and say this player

682
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: stood out or that player stood out. It was just

683
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: all right the pocket. They team meeting at the quarterback

684
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: ye phrase.

685
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: So Jennings, it's interesting to me because he's he's clearly

686
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: Landry and and Chase on are clearly at the top

687
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: right now. Of that edge rusher depth chart, and you know,

688
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: wherever you want to put keon White, you can put

689
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: keon White in that conversation. But those three guys are

690
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: clearly ahead of Jennings right now. What's Jennings's outlook because

691
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out exactly and he made

692
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: some good plays today and maybe it can translate like

693
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out exactly where Anthony Jennings

694
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: fits into this puzzle, because he's not really the skill

695
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: set is a edge setting outside linebacker, stand up on

696
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: your feet, set the edge of the defense against the run,

697
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: play on first down, like that's the skill set, and

698
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: that's just not really.

699
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: What they're going for now.

700
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, they're really going more for up the field guys,

701
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: playmaking type of guys. And I'm just wondering where Jennings

702
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: fits into this whole thing because he's still here, you know,

703
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: him and Jelanicava are both still here, but both of them,

704
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: especially Jennings, because we've just seen him participate a little

705
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: bit more feel like an odd fit or just don't

706
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: feel exactly like what the player they've targeted. You know,

707
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: Landry Chase on Swinson and the draft have a very

708
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: clear body type and skill set that they are really

709
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: redundant to one another in that type of way.

710
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: I thing. I think there's something to be said for

711
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: you don't want necessarily a bunch of guys who are

712
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: all redundant to one another. You want your starter, similar backups.

713
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: You have to change much schematically, but you have a

714
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: bunch of pass rushers. You still want a guy that

715
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: can come in there and stop the run. Yeah, you

716
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: still want a guy who can put in there on

717
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: early downs or in short yarded situations or late in

718
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: a game. Right, if you just build a team of

719
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: primary pass rushers, you're gonna get with the Jaguars in

720
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: London last year, They're gonna run the ball seventeen times

721
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: in a row knowing you can't stop it. Right. So

722
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely Jennings's role. We'll see what happens

723
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: with Tavai. He was limited today, but you need guys

724
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: who can stop the run. You need guys who can

725
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: stop the run. He can do it, and I think

726
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: he gets underrated as pass rusher. He's not Miles Garrett,

727
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: but he can. He's not a sack guy. What he

728
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: did really well at Alabama, and I don't think he

729
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: was asked to do this enough here, Like he can.

730
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: He has a knack for getting in passing wings and

731
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: pushing the pocket back and even if he's not shedding,

732
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: his blocker doing a good job to get his arms

733
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: up and make sure the ball can't get thrown by

734
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: his ear. So I think he's just kind of a

735
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: utility guy. Yeah, he can play. You know, you can

736
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: move him around. He can play a different couple different spots.

737
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: He can play in different situations to get back up

738
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: to have he's high level backup, I think, get a

739
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: bunch of different spots.

740
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: So they've played a little bit, you know, they've played

741
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: mostly a four down front, and they played a little

742
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: bit of over where they have four down guys and

743
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: then one guy up on his feet at the end

744
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage. And obviously they're going to

745
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: mix and match what fronts they use, and it's gonna

746
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: be game plan and situation oriented and all that good stuff.

747
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: But I could see that being a spot for him

748
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: on the strong side, that could be a fit. I

749
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: just don't know if I necessarily see him as like

750
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: a hand in the dirt type of player. And for

751
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: the most part they've been four down with four guys

752
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: with the hand in the dirt on the first level

753
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: of the defense. And so where does Jennings fit into

754
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: all that? Moving back, I agree with you on Farmer though,

755
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: that was a good, good shout. I know he had

756
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: a couple of flashes today or it was a little

757
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: bit more noticing.

758
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: A good day for the rookies as a whole. Good Yeah,

759
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: he's got an interesting bill.

760
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: He's got those long arms, right, you can see that,

761
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: and uh, but he's compact, like it's not like he's

762
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 3: just like he's not necessarily huge in relatively speaking, of course,

763
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: but he's got long arms and he's got like this

764
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: compact frame. I'm trying to think of like a body

765
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: type comparison, and I don't really have a good one, like.

766
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: Kind of built like Barmore, isn't he.

767
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: I think there are some overlap there, Like if you

768
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: look on like mock Draftable and stuff like that, there's

769
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: some overlap there with Barmore.

770
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: I could see that.

771
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: I think Barmore is a little bit bigger, you know,

772
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: but maybe that's just because he's older and Barmore like

773
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: three ten, three twenty isn't farmer like three ten.

774
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's that big farmer at the combine.

775
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: If Wikipedia has him at three twelve, yeah, I don't

776
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: know what he was at the combine. Six yeah, three

777
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: h five. We're talking.

778
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: That's a big difference. We were going up to three fifteen,

779
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: three twenty Barmore three ten. I think Barmore plays closer

780
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: to three twenty.

781
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: Three fifteen Yeah, okay, so maybe maybe some Barmore there,

782
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued by him. The other guy

783
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: that I thought was really noticeable today from the second

784
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: level was Robert Splaine. Like Robert Splaine guy flies around.

785
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: Now I'll say this, I do not know if Robert

786
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 3: Splaine was cheating the play. A couple of times it

787
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: looked like Robert s. Bulaine knew the play before it

788
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: was called in the huddle. So there's a chance that

789
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: you know, they've been practicing against one another for four

790
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: or five days now, like maybe he's starting to pick

791
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: up on some of the basic install of Josh mcdaniels's offense,

792
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: and he had he was really early to the ball

793
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: a couple of times where I was like, that was

794
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit too early, like are we are

795
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: we going off cards here? Like what's the deal?

796
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: Right?

797
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: You know? So I don't want to put too much

798
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: stock into those specific plays.

799
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: But he's definitely got good play recognition, and he plays

800
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: even faster than maybe like his athletic ability would suggest

801
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: because of that, because he's he seems like he's a

802
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: half a step ahead air of a lot of these

803
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: plays at a lot of times, like they kept on

804
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: trying to get the ball outside, whether it was like

805
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: swing passes to Trevon Henderson or whatever, and Splaine was

806
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: on the spot immediately on a couple of those I

807
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 3: had not. I jotted him down two or three times

808
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: with you know, tackles that were right on the on

809
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. So today I thought I saw

810
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: the full Bobby Spallaine, you know, I saw a little

811
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: bit more out of him today.

812
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he And it's that's kind of what you look

813
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: for in these practices. Like obviously defensive players can't really

814
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: make plays because they can't hit, But do you get

815
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: to the right place at the right time. There were

816
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: two guys we talked about today being in the right

817
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: place at the right time Splayne was one of them,

818
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: and then Craig Woodson was the up.

819
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

820
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: Quite he he almost had he almost had an interception.

821
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: He'd picked it off over the middle.

822
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 6: Yep.

823
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a high throw to see j Dupree

824
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: from Josh Dobbs and uh, he's half an inch taller,

825
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: he probably picks it off. Yeah.

826
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: So he he's been in the right spots. I think

827
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: he's great, not great so strong word. I think he's

828
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: His strength is probably playing as more of like a

829
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: zone a true zone defender. I know he can play

830
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: man to man on tight ends, and he's done that

831
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: a little bit at Cal. I didn't think it was

832
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: bad coverage by any means on the throw he gave

833
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: up to Jahem Bell, like that was more of a

834
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: good catch through some contact and like truly bad coverage.

835
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: But the thing that hurts Woodson I would say, in

836
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: terms of his man to man ability against tight ends,

837
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: he's got a little bit of a shorter upper body

838
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 3: and shorter arms, so it's harder for him to kind

839
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: of get into the catch point and make plays on

840
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: the football when he is targeted. So I don't necessarily

841
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 3: look at that and say that that's like the strength

842
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 3: of his game is going to be tight end stopper,

843
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: like they're going to put him up against past catching

844
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: tight ends. Where I think his strength of his game

845
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: is is playing in the middle of the field, whether

846
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: it's rotating back into that free safety role or rotating

847
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: into the shorter zone distribution as like a robber or

848
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: a deep hook or something like that, over the middle

849
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: of the both those spots I feel like center field,

850
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: split safety, and then underneath zone. He looks really comfortable

851
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: in all those And you mentioned the one over the

852
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: middle of the field he almost picked off. Dobbs saw

853
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: the window, Flash was gonna throw it there, and and

854
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: Woodson was just in in the window like he just

855
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: read it well and sat right there in the window

856
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: and forced Dobbs to airmail It's otherwise he's gonna pick

857
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: it off. So he's got a good knack to his game.

858
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: He's got some good instincts. I was not overly high,

859
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 3: Like to be totally honest, I was not overly high

860
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: on that pick. I thought it was the one time

861
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: where it felt like they may be reached a little bit.

862
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: There are some other safeties that I preferred, you know,

863
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: Billy Bowman, going back to the draft, and they might

864
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: have been right about Kriik woods now super early, Like

865
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: you're right, I'm not ready to crown him yet, but

866
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: I can watching him through two issues. You see the vision,

867
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: you see the skill set, you see the the talent

868
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: there from the player. Maybe this might have been they

869
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 3: might have been done a good out on this guy,

870
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm ready to give him some tiny teeny bit

871
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: of credit because not because I'm not ready to give

872
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: him any credit for anything, but just because it's early.

873
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: But I see what they went for there with Craig Woodson.

874
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: The other thing that stood out in the secondary, and

875
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: this has been pretty consistent based off some of the

876
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: other reporting that's been done, is Alex Austin playing a

877
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 3: little bit more inside in the slot now today Carlton

878
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: Davis wasn't at practice, a veteran voluntary OTA you know,

879
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: wasn't at practice, So maybe that just gave him the

880
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: opportunity to go in this direction. But they've talked about variables,

881
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: introducting press conference other press conferences about the big slot

882
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: and having a bigger body type in there than a

883
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones or Jonathan Jones who's no longer here. Maybe

884
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: that speaks to that. So Alex Austin certainly fits the

885
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: bill as somebody that has a little bit more size

886
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: that can still play man coverage inside.

887
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought it was notable that when they

888
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: went with that look, Alex Austin stayed inside and we

889
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: saw Mark Jones working on the boundary, So they want

890
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: to get him some reps right there. I kind of

891
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: interpreted that as and maybe both ways. Maybe they want

892
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: to get Marcus Jones reps on the outside, they want

893
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: to get Alex Austin reps on the inside. So even

894
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: if Marcus Jones is going to stick around his primary

895
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: slot corner, they don't have a clear backup. Yeah. So

896
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: if Alex Austin can be your third boundary corner and

897
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: your select your second slot corner, that's great durability. That

898
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: probably saves your roster spot somewhere else. So good to

899
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: see that.

900
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was that. What do we get from

901
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: the Kickers today?

902
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: Alex movie?

903
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 7: Yeah?

904
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: So, uh, Borgallis missed one left. He missed pretty wide

905
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: left from about forty. It was a little over forty.

906
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: It's tough to see they're going the long way. John

907
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Parker Romo hit all four of us kicks. One of

908
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: them was really close. Mike Greheese actually confirmed with the

909
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: member of the staff after practice that it was in

910
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: fact good because we weren't entirely sure. So I love

911
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: that that that's the hard hitting report in right, John

912
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: park Romo four for four, Boorgallas three or four with

913
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: a miss wide left.

914
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: So I didn't track to make some misses quite like

915
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: you did. That's why I teach you have for that.

916
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I haven't.

917
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: There has been some inconsistent hits, right, Like, am I

918
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: wrong about that? Like some of these that may maybe

919
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: are technically good haven't necessarily come clean.

920
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: Off of either guy's foot.

921
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: There's been some hooks, there's been some you know, there's

922
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: been some just mishits.

923
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: I would say. I would say Parker Romo has more.

924
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: Borgalis definitely had the one in their first practice that

925
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: he didn't get square but still hit it straight. Yeah,

926
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: the one today. I don't know what went wrong there,

927
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: but it was a pretty bad ballflight. Yeah, so we'll see.

928
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: I still think it's Borgoalis. But no punting John Parker Romeo.

929
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: Today they actually did do a couple of punts. Oh okay,

930
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: they did three punts at the very beginning of practice.

931
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if this was like truly live reps

932
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: or a walkthrough, so I didn't put out the stopwatch times,

933
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: especially because one of them he kicked relatively short and

934
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: looked like he was on purpose set up a return.

935
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: That one was three point seventy five seconds. The other

936
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: two half times I had five point oh six and

937
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: then five point five to one which bounced out of

938
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: bounds at the six yard line. And our first one

939
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: was a beautiful punt, wown beautiful punt. That that really

940
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: that's your highlight of practice? Was great punt? Why can't

941
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: we give them credits? Five to five hang time from

942
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: Bryce Parring? Is that not?

943
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: Is that your your highlight of the practice. I'm asking

944
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: you seriously, it's.

945
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Probably either the Kyle Williams getting off the line on

946
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: the deep ball he caught against Miles Battle, Yeah, or

947
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: the Jahem bellcash those are probably the highlights. That's fair.

948
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: I think those are two good highlights.

949
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: I would say Kyle Williams was probably the highlight of

950
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: practice there as well. So that that's your practice report

951
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 3: for you. There's one other thing I want to get

952
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: to that is obviously something that I have to be

953
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: a little bit sensitive about. But it started out the

954
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: press conference right away. It's a story. We can't really

955
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: fully ignore it. And that was obviously the video of

956
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs from over the weekend that's gone a little

957
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: bit viral. I'll just say what Rabel said and then

958
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to give it, take you

959
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: and give a take. But he just said that we

960
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: got to make good decisions, and I think that's a

961
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 3: good that's a good line, right like that. That's really

962
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: what it is, right It's whether it's in the facility

963
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: or it's outside the facility. You just want to see

964
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 3: the players making good decisions. Yeah, oh, in any way,

965
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: and he brought it back to practice and said, you know,

966
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: I hope that we make good decisions out here at

967
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: practice in terms of football, you know, the actual football.

968
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: And then when we're away from this facility, I hope

969
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: we make good decisions as well. How did what did

970
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: you take it? Right off the jump?

971
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: But I give her credit carry Kregan right off the bat,

972
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: just first question about some right thing. I mean, I

973
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: thought that obviously Vrabel had the right answer. We'll say,

974
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much more information is

975
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: going to come out. Yeah, Like, I know, people debate

976
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: what that is in the video that he has, but

977
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: it's you can't confirm it, right, So what I I don't.

978
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if this is something that becomes maybe

979
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: gets some internal discipline, but I'd be surprised if this

980
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: becomes like a much bigger thing than it is at

981
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: this point now, all publicly, all we're going off of

982
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: in a different but similar thing is him posting videos

983
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: of his workouts, which you never know, right, Like you

984
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: know that that happens. Every athlete nowadays has their own

985
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: social media channels and they're posting videos of his workouts.

986
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: But if we're just basing off the information that we

987
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: have of him posting those videos, he looks like he's

988
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: really attacking this rehab and this return to play, and

989
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: if his head is in the right place when it

990
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: comes to football, then some of this other stuff is

991
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: just kind of what you get with the big time receivers,

992
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: with the highly paid wide outs. Like we know that, right,

993
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: it goes back generations that these guys are are who

994
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: they are from a personality standpoint, but from a football standpoint,

995
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him out there yet. For these practices,

996
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: so we haven't seen it with our own eyes, but

997
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: we've posted on Patriots dot Com that he's has checked

998
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: in and has been in some of these practices. There

999
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: are pictures of him.

1000
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: I think it was over the weekend, right that we

1001
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: posted of him at one of these practices. One of

1002
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: these OTAs might have been last Fridays practice that he

1003
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 3: was at. So he's been kicked around. He's been here,

1004
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: been out a practice at least once. From OTAs. He

1005
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: looks fantastic in some of these workout videos that he's posting.

1006
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: So I guess if I had to give a take

1007
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: on it, like I just I just don't really just

1008
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: be smart, but like I don't really care, right, Like,

1009
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: if he comes in here and he's defon Diggs and

1010
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: he plays football and he's ready to go when he's

1011
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: cleared medically and all that kind of stuff, then you

1012
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: know what he does in his free time away from

1013
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: the facility is up to him.

1014
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Who he dates, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, like perform, Right,

1015
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that have fun off the

1016
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: field and do what they want to do off the field.

1017
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: And if you show up and you play, you generally

1018
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: get a little bit more freedom with that stuff. If

1019
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: it starts impacting you on the field, that's another conversation.

1020
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: We'll have that conversation if it does.

1021
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, So that that's practice. That's practice.

1022
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: Wrap up to start off the show, we'll open the

1023
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: phone lines here and just to second the emails as well.

1024
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: If you want to email in at podcasts at Patriots

1025
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: dot com, we'll.

1026
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: Read your emails before we open up the phone lines.

1027
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Speaker 3: A little a little long on the Bob's read, but

1038
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: the best one like there wasn't any huge words or like,

1039
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: you know, bad alliteration, So that was a clean Bob's read.

1040
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes we get ones that throw the sales staff under

1041
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: the boss that you go, good job, Evy. Sometimes there's

1042
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: ones that are a little clunky, bit the hand that feeds.

1043
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: This one was clean though, So good job Bob's good job.

1044
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Everybody did the sales guys ninety five break great reads. Yeah, yeah, I'm.

1045
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: Sure that they loved that part of the show. What

1046
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: you think, Alex, Alex behind the glass? I have two Alex's,

1047
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: which is like a little confusing to me.

1048
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, let's not forget we already had this debate one

1049
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: of the shows where you weren't here. You were on

1050
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: the show, but I was hosting, and I did the read,

1051
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: and what we figured, you're better at answering the phones

1052
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: and I'm better at doing the reads. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1053
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent true. But you're you're you're the

1054
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: radio guy amongst the two of us, so that that

1055
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: makes sense that you would be better at doing the reads,

1056
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: I would hope.

1057
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: So you also do like a lot more reads, like

1058
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: I was on the air with you the other night. Yeah,

1059
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: and you guys like have the whole book and everything.

1060
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: You gotta keep track of the read three an hour

1061
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: during the week. Yeah, well it has to be one take.

1062
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: It's live. It's live actually, uh. The the producer I

1063
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: have on Sunday mornings confer Breeze. Some of the other

1064
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: producers do too. I think George did it uh the

1065
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: other night. It's like, if we have they'll they'll record it.

1066
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: So if it lines up, they'll help you out. So

1067
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: but you got to do it live at least once.

1068
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: I like the ones where you guys are in a

1069
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: commercial and then you do a live read and then

1070
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: you go back to commercial because I never I always

1071
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: when I was younger and didn't you know, know how

1072
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: the sausage is made. I always wondered if those were

1073
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: truly live or if those were just like recorded.

1074
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Not to peel the

1075
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: curtain back too far, but that's what that's what keeps everybody.

1076
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: You gotta be on your toes, you know, That's what

1077
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: that that's the big money. If you want the on

1078
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: air guys to read the ad instead of just having

1079
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: the voiceover guy do it, because it's the on air voice.

1080
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: So people more likely stay tuned in right right, because

1081
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: they're used to that voice. That's that's how you make

1082
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: the big books.

1083
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: There you go there that that's a peak behind the curtain,

1084
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 3: A little peak behind the curtain, is right. All right,

1085
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: Let's get to the phones. Lorenzo is in Virginia. What's up, Lorenzo. Lorenzo,

1086
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 3: you there?

1087
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: All right?

1088
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: Call back in Lorenzo. You was on hold for a while.

1089
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: Patty is an aguam.

1090
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: What's up? Patty?

1091
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 5: Guys?

1092
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: How are we doing?

1093
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 5: Doing all right today? A little stuffy, but I'm doing

1094
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 5: all right. I want to ask you guys a question

1095
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 5: about Drake May And I tried to propose this. I

1096
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 5: tried to write this thing yesterday with you. But just realistically,

1097
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 5: do you guys think it's Do you think it's more

1098
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 5: probable than not that he has his breakout year next

1099
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: year as opposed to this year? And hear me out

1100
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: on this. You know, he only had two years college

1101
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 5: experience starting. If you look at some of the best

1102
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 5: some of the guys that had the best rookie seasons,

1103
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 5: the two guys that come to mind most recently are

1104
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert and last year Jaden Daniels, both of those

1105
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 5: guys started at least four years. I know Herbert didn't

1106
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 5: start like all the games this first two years.

1107
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 8: And if you just built that.

1108
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 5: The guy's like Joe Burrow. I know he only started

1109
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 5: two seasons, but to me, like May has more tools,

1110
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 5: Burrows a much better processor. I mean, I think he's

1111
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 5: he's he's you know, far superior as a processor. And

1112
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 5: I hope make it's that point. But to me, it's

1113
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 5: just an experience thing. And I think, like if you know,

1114
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 5: and Paul brought this up, I can't remember if it

1115
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 5: was yesterday, Evan or a Thursday on PU I mean,

1116
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 5: this is four offensive coordinators and four years for him too,

1117
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 5: So there's a lot that's being thrown at this guy.

1118
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 5: He doesn't have the experience and he's got all the tools,

1119
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 5: and I'm just I hope he puts it together this year,

1120
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 5: but more realistically, like I could see him having his

1121
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 5: breakout your next year. Although I can seem improven. And

1122
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 5: I'll end on this, I want to see what you

1123
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 5: guys thought about that. Heaven, why not jump around from

1124
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 5: house the pain for the runout song?

1125
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I can see that we did this. I've done

1126
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: this so many times jump around. Come on, you don't

1127
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: like jump around us. It's a good song, but like,

1128
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: come on, let's do something new.

1129
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, Thanks for the call of Patty. This

1130
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: was a big topic of conversation yesterday on Filter, and

1131
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: I know it got some some love on the Sports

1132
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: Up too, and I brought it up the other night

1133
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: the Runout. There's people got takes on this, they got opinions.

1134
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: Jump around.

1135
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: I think you're right, it's it's been done a little

1136
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: bit too many times.

1137
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: I agree with that. It's kind of like the cliche

1138
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 3: get the stadium excited song the breakout season for Drake

1139
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: may I. This goes back to a little bit of

1140
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: what we talked about last week. For me, like I,

1141
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: this is my one concern about what's going on around

1142
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: Drake may here. I think Josh the world of Josh

1143
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: McDaniels as an offensive coordinator. I think he's a great

1144
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: coach and I think he's a great oc maybe not

1145
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: a great head coach, but a great osay And the

1146
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: concern that I had was the learning curve, and that's

1147
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 3: sort of what we're seeing now, where like the timing

1148
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: and the rhythm, it just doesn't seem smooth right now.

1149
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: For Drake May it still seems a little bit cumbersome

1150
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: and clunky and at times, and Diggs isn't out there yet.

1151
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: You're still trying to get Kyle Williams up and running,

1152
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: but at times you still feel the lack of like

1153
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: a true game breaker and within the offense as well

1154
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: in these practices. And I know that a lot of people,

1155
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, I just quickly checked my my Twitter mentions

1156
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: was always dangerous coming off of OTA practice. And there

1157
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 3: are some comments about how you know, the clunkiness or

1158
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: the unevenness of the offense. We just keep hearing this

1159
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: here and you're and year out and I get that,

1160
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: Like I I sympathize with that. I think that's that's

1161
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: fair to say that. And the breakout year whatever we want, however,

1162
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: we want to you know, tech, you know, define it,

1163
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: define that, thank you, however you want to define that.

1164
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: Between a new totally new coaching staff with a new

1165
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: offensive system and new offensive coordinator and the fact that

1166
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: they're still kind of building around him, They're gonna have

1167
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: a rookie left tackle, uh there there really don't truly

1168
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: have that number one wide receiver unless Digs like throws

1169
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 3: it back right to his Buffalo days and is that guy.

1170
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: So in general, like it might not be we might

1171
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 3: not be fully there, and it might not all.

1172
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: Be on Drake.

1173
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: May you know that his rookie coaching staff wasn't the

1174
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: best it could have been. Then they had to change coaches.

1175
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: Now he's in a different system. Now, the timing, the

1176
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: rhythm of it, at least early on in May doesn't

1177
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: look great, doesn't look smooth quite yet in terms of

1178
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: the processing and the post snap stuff.

1179
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: And so yeah, maybe there.

1180
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: Is a little bit more of a building up period here,

1181
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: especially early on, where he doesn't come out year two

1182
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: and make that immediate leap. Now, I mean by the

1183
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 3: end of the season he does, and that's what we're

1184
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: all hoping for. But I still have some of those

1185
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: same concerns even though he didn't go out there and

1186
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: throw four picks again with this the overall the timeline

1187
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: of how quickly this is all going to come together

1188
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: on offense, And I don't think that's all just because

1189
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: of Drake. May I think a lot of that has

1190
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: to do with, well, are they really going to be

1191
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: good enough at the skill positions to ev you know,

1192
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 3: to have him elevated and all that kind of stuff

1193
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: I think is a big factor as well.

1194
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. I just think

1195
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: you got to see some sign of growth. Maybe the

1196
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: leap from year two to year three is bigger, but

1197
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: you need to see some sort of leap from year

1198
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: one year two. You don't want to see him be stagnant.

1199
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: That would be worrying.

1200
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's a lot of praise going

1201
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 3: around right now for the Patriots offseason for Drake May.

1202
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 3: I saw Benjamin Solac on ESPN, but he really went

1203
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 3: had a big post where he said he'd be just

1204
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: as excited about Drake May as commanders fans or are

1205
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: about Jayden Daniels. And I understand where ben was coming

1206
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: from with that post, because if you look at the

1207
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 3: level of difficulty like he wrote, you know, Drake May

1208
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: is in an offense with an offensive coordinator that not

1209
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people were crazy about, and Alex Van

1210
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: Pelt he had the worst offensive line in football. He

1211
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: probably had a top bottom five I should say, pass

1212
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: catching group if not you know, thirty second, like it

1213
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: might have been the worst pass catching group in the

1214
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 3: NFL last year as well. So the roster around him

1215
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 3: was not good, and yet he still went out there

1216
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: and made plays. And I feel like that's what we're

1217
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: seeing though from these practices, that there's still these moments

1218
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: like he had a moment today where he just kind

1219
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: of tiptoes around some interior pressure off platform, drops the

1220
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: arm angle, you know, flicks it out there to a

1221
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: receiver on the move, and gets a nice play out

1222
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: of it out of a play that probably should have

1223
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: been stopped in the backfield. But the big word for

1224
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: him has always been, even going back to North Carolina,

1225
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: is can he consistently do it? Like he has these

1226
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: flashes of franchise quarterback potential and elite quarterback potential that

1227
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: we saw last year that we see in these practices.

1228
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: But that's what it was at North Carolina too, right.

1229
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: It was kind of like for every step forward, there

1230
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 3: was a step back, and there for every good play,

1231
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: there was maybe a couple bad or not so good plays.

1232
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: And is he getna round out his entire game. I'm

1233
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: not trying to rain on parades or like trash Drake

1234
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 3: by any means, because everybody knows how I'm a Drake

1235
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: may guy, and I'm optimistic about Drake May. I just

1236
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: think some of the stuff that I've heard and read

1237
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: about the Patriots is obviously, especially from the national media,

1238
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: is getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, like can

1239
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: we see him do it first?

1240
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 1: Like well, so, so much of it is predicated even

1241
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: like for me in the wind project, I had ten

1242
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: wins off the schedule, right, Like that's predicated on Drake

1243
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: May taking some sort of a year two leap. If

1244
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't take a year two leap, a lot of

1245
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: the stuff that we're talking about doesn't apply.

1246
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: I see a lot of praise for May, for the

1247
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: off season, for the coaching staff, and at the end

1248
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: of the day, like they're gonna have to go out

1249
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: there and actually, dude, like this is all projection, Like

1250
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to go out there and do it,

1251
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: and I would I personally. Maybe it's because they've won

1252
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: eight games over the last two seasons, Like it's as

1253
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: simple as that. That I've been burned and I'm not

1254
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: ready to believe again. But let's just see it happen

1255
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 3: first before we get too crazy. All right, Let's go

1256
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: back to the phones. Lorenzo's back, Lorenzo, what's going on?

1257
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 6: Uh?

1258
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, you're on there. What's up all right?

1259
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 6: Hey man?

1260
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you so much for letting me on.

1261
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 8: I just have a few questions. That's pretty quick. Like

1262
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 8: last year when we faced man coverage right like you said,

1263
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 8: with Josh mccamsy like Roughouse pick Rouse crossers constantly like

1264
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 8: with AVP, we didn't really see any of that. I

1265
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 8: was wanting if you think that doctor return because I

1266
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 8: know that our receivers going to separate, but you can

1267
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 8: kind of help with that by creating traffic. Second, how

1268
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 8: Josphontaniels especially spent time around colleges. I was wondering if

1269
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 8: you think that there would be RPOs that aren't just

1270
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 8: quarterback option runs like how Miami does it. The forty

1271
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 8: nine ers do it, like motioning and creating space. And

1272
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 8: do you think doctor Staniel's changed from quote like a

1273
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 8: heavy game plan guy to more guys willing to adjust,

1274
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 8: or do you think that if the offense struggles just

1275
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 8: because of the game plan, like strictly just execution because

1276
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 8: we know this is a big game plan offense. And

1277
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 8: can Kyle William get open in the middle of the

1278
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 8: field because we don't have guys who can do that.

1279
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 8: It's all like jump ball, guys think consistent and do

1280
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 8: you think Ethan Chisholm can be like a quick reliable

1281
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 8: state people thinking for Drake Mick And that's about it,

1282
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 8: thinks all.

1283
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: Right, thanks Lorenzo. There's a lot of questions, but thanks

1284
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: for the call.

1285
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first one about the scheme and

1286
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: like helping guys against man coverage, even though it wasn't don't.

1287
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly where they finished, but when Drake

1288
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: May first start got in there last year for started

1289
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: starting games, they were actually efficiency wise, they were really

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Speaker 3: good against man coverage. A big reason why is because

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Speaker 3: he was scrambling against man coverage and so that advantage

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Speaker 3: that they have now with man. And I would also say,

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: just to give credit, like Pop Douglas is a pretty

1294
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: good man coverage beater in terms of receivers. He's quick,

1295
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 3: he's good at creating separation, he can get open. I've

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: talked in the past about some of the concerns I

1297
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 3: have with him again against zone, but against man out

1298
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: of the slot, like Pop is a pretty good man

1299
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: coverage receiver in that respect. So they had Drake May scrambling,

1300
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: they had you know, Pop Douglas in isolation winning routes over.

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Speaker 1: The middle of the field.

1302
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Speaker 3: So they weren't a complete disaster from like an EPA

1303
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: standpoint against man coverage last year because of those two things. Now,

1304
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: they didn't do a ton of help. You know, they

1305
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: were stagnant offense. They were like more you know, old

1306
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: school West Coast formationally and things like that. And McDaniel's

1307
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: will certainly help with a lot of that. He's gonna

1308
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: put receivers in stacks, he's gonna put receivers in bunches.

1309
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: He's going to run pick plays. We've seen him run

1310
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: pick plays for years here, crossers, pick plays, different alignments

1311
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: to get receivers off the line of scrimmage and away

1312
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: from press coverage. So he's certainly gonna all that kind

1313
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: of stuff is I would say tenants or hallmarks of

1314
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: a Josh McDaniels offense. So they're certainly going to go

1315
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 3: in that direction and have all that in their bag.

1316
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 3: I would say that in a lot of ways, that

1317
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: two lends itself to Kyle Williams, who in college I

1318
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 3: was a really good first level separator on a lot

1319
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 3: of those types of routes like slants and angles and

1320
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 3: coming into a bunch of That big touchdown he scored

1321
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: against Syracuse was like a Josh McDaniels staple play that

1322
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 3: they're going to probably run a ton. So I think

1323
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams getting open over the middle of the field

1324
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: is a big reason of why he's here. I think

1325
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 3: it's a big strength of his game, his catch and

1326
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: run ability. His ability to catch balls over the middle field.

1327
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: First of all, get open over the middlefield, but then

1328
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: also transition into yards after the catch with the football.

1329
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: Those are two strengths I would say. So if you

1330
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: marry those things together, that's that's where That's what we're

1331
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: hoping we're going here, Like, that's what we're hoping you're

1332
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 3: going to see out of this offense. I have some

1333
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: thoughts on the run game stuff too, But what do

1334
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 3: you think about this McDaniel's offense from that standpoint?

1335
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, I think we're gonna see a

1336
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: lot more that me Man Beater stuff there.

1337
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 7: Thin is.

1338
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: Some of those a lot of the quick release routes

1339
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: with Van Pelt were more inside stuff. So some of

1340
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: those more quick release outside. Some of those digs and

1341
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: things like that. Why can I think of it? Edelman

1342
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: and the super Bowl on the goal line. Oh, like

1343
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: a whip route. Yeah, whiprout, thank you. I don't know.

1344
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of that. I think we'll see more

1345
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, he's gonna be helpful against man coverage.

1346
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: To the point he made about are they gonna be

1347
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: more of a game plan offense? Yeah, are they gonna adjust?

1348
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: I think the game plan offense means adjusting? Yeah, so

1349
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: I do. I do think there's is this gonna turn

1350
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: into a nerds versus No, it's really not. No, it's

1351
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: really not. I just think I think they're gonna be

1352
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: pue of one of those that practice today, and we

1353
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: have one of those about every day. Yes, and nerds

1354
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: are taking over. As Felger says, we have lost the war.

1355
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean I won't stop fighting. But you could,

1356
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: you could just like embrace it. No, but I won't.

1357
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: But I won't the whole point, I won't a little bit.

1358
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: I will stick. I will stick to my guns. But

1359
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: you made it about nerds on me. When it comes

1360
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: to McDaniels, I do think they're gonna be a game

1361
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: plan offense. I don't think what we see week one

1362
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: is gonna be what they are forever. I think they're

1363
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna attack different teams differently. They're gonna hunt weaknesses, they're

1364
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: gonna hunt matchups, things like that, because at his core,

1365
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: that's what Josh McDaniels does. Josh McDaniels wants to get

1366
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: in the lab and pick it into an opponent of part.

1367
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: His offense is more about what the defense does poorly

1368
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: than what his offense does well. And it's probably my

1369
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: favorite thing about Josh McDaniels. I love teams that operate

1370
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: that way. I love teams that operate that way on

1371
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. We talked about this when

1372
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: when I had you on Monday night. Bad teams can't win.

1373
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: Good teams have a way to win. Great teams have

1374
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: multiple ways to win. Elite teams can win any way

1375
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: they want. So I like teams that actually, and that's

1376
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: in any sport. It's just philosophy of mine. But I

1377
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: like teams that proactively go about making sure that even

1378
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: if they are really good at one thing, sometimes that

1379
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: one thing is gonna be there for one reason or another.

1380
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: Maybe you just don't have it that day, maybe the

1381
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: opponent as a strengthen stopping that whatever. I like teams

1382
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: are proactively going about make sure they have more than

1383
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: one ways to win. Josh mcdani's has always done that. Again,

1384
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite thing about his philosophy is that

1385
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: we are not going to be handcuffed into relying on

1386
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: one thing too much. We may have a preference, we

1387
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: may have something we lean on more, but we're never

1388
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna get caught without a plan B or a plan C.

1389
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 3: So one of my favorite Josh McDaniel's coaching moments during

1390
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: his time with the Patriots is the Super Bowl. The

1391
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: second m Super Bowl is at fifty three, right, yes,

1392
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: So they put together that game winning drive at the

1393
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: end of the Super Bowl, and they couldn't move the

1394
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: ball all night long, Like we all remember the game,

1395
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,479
Speaker 3: they couldn't move the ball all night long. They've got

1396
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 3: nothing going. Julian Edelman was really the only guy that

1397
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 3: was making any plays on offense, and they went to

1398
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: the sideline and Josh McDaniels literally drew up a play

1399
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: on the sideline that was not in the weekly install

1400
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 3: It was not in the game plan. He literally just

1401
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: drew it up like in dirt, like you would in

1402
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: the backyard, drew up a play. It was a delay

1403
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 3: release to Gronk, and they got Gronk out on the

1404
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: delay release and he caught the football and turned up

1405
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: the field and gained some positive yards. And that was

1406
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 3: kind of the drive starter. And then they went to

1407
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: that twenty two personnel with the two backs and they

1408
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: flexed out Rex Burkhead on the outside and they ran

1409
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 3: hosts three times in a row, hit it three different

1410
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 3: ways and went right down the field with the seam

1411
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 3: shot to Gronk being like the big play of the drive,

1412
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: and that entire drive you to your game plan point

1413
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: and like looking at what the defense was doing, that

1414
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: entire drive was an adjustment, Like that entire drive was

1415
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 3: this is what Wade Phillips has been doing to us

1416
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: all night.

1417
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: We's counter it. Let's counter it. Like what do I

1418
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: have in my back pocket that I can counter it?

1419
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: And to throw shade at my own people? Right, Like,

1420
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: that's the type of drive.

1421
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: That Kyle Shanahan has not put together that Josh McDaniels did, right,

1422
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: And that's that's not the spreadsheet. That's what makes him great.

1423
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: That that's what makes him a great play caller and

1424
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 3: ablate a great offensive coordinator. And to that point, to

1425
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: the caller's point about being game plan oriented, if you

1426
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 3: take that away, like you're not, you're not maximizing Josh McDaniels. Like,

1427
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: that's what makes Josh McDaniels unique is his game plan

1428
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: ability and his ability to adjust in game with play calling.

1429
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 3: And if you go into it and say like, we're

1430
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: just gonna do what we do and we're not gonna

1431
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 3: adjust and we're not gonna change anything, and that's not

1432
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 3: you're not letting him use one of his superpowers. Like

1433
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 3: that's truly one of his superpowers. So I hope that

1434
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: that's the direction that they're going to continue to go

1435
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 3: In the run game question, he asked, And and sort

1436
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 3: of like the RPO question, we haven't. We're really early

1437
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: on to seeing some of that stuff. So I'm still waiting,

1438
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: like to make a judgment on it. It's too early.

1439
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: It's it's way too early.

1440
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 3: Maybe we see more of that once we get out

1441
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: of the basic install period. But the one thing that

1442
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 3: I have been interested in from what they've done from

1443
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 3: a run game perspective is they've done a lot of

1444
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: different stuff, and.

1445
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: You got to have all those different options in your back. Yeah,

1446
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: not to Joshington, not that they didn't always, but like

1447
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: outside zone really wasn't there a go to play. They

1448
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: actually used outside zone a lot in the past, and

1449
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: short yardage like goal line, fourth and one, they would

1450
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: run some outside zone, but they didn't run a ton

1451
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: of outside zone as like a base play like first

1452
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: and ten from the twenty five are going to run

1453
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: outside zone. They are traditionally a downhill run offense in

1454
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: this scheme. Now he did it a little bit more

1455
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and now he's doing it a little bit

1456
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: in these practices, So maybe this is what he's doing

1457
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: now right Like there's a little bit of a West

1458
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: Coast flavor to it. You obviously have the quarterback that

1459
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: fits it. You have a couple running backs and Gibson

1460
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: and Henderson that fit it that can run that kind

1461
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: of scheme at one cut and go and get up

1462
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: the field. Not that Remandra can't, but I would say

1463
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: from my standpoint, it's always good to have a back

1464
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: that's got some speed to the edge in order to

1465
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: really set up this type of play because you have

1466
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: to get the defense to respect the bounce, Like if

1467
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: they don't respect the bounce, then they're just going to

1468
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: crowd the middle of the field and they're gonna make

1469
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: you string it out and it's just not gonna look good.

1470
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: So if they can do it on the left side

1471
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: of the law offensive line, especially, they're gonna have Will Campbell,

1472
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: who's a great athlete and can certainly whether it's front

1473
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: side seal or backside cutoff, like, he can definitely balk

1474
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: in an outside zone scheme. And then they might have

1475
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: you know.

1476
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 3: Cold Strange might be the guard, Jared Wilson might be

1477
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 3: the guard on the left side. Like, those are two

1478
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 3: guys that can definitely specialize in reaching and you know,

1479
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 3: second level combos and things like that in and outside

1480
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 3: zone scheme. And then you get Drake involved on those

1481
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 3: bootlegs and get him out of the pocket and on

1482
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: the move. All those things, I feel like are good

1483
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: things for this offense potentially if they can get it

1484
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: to hit right. So we've seen a little bit more

1485
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: of that in these practices. Every once in a while

1486
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 3: you'll see like a quarterback run, you know, design read

1487
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 3: option type of play in there. But I don't think

1488
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 3: there's been enough of a sample yet to get too

1489
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 3: crazy about how often that's going to be called. But

1490
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 3: I have definitely noticed just a wide variety of run

1491
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: schemes that maybe with Brady in the past, and it

1492
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 3: might have been scar somebody's talked about this in the

1493
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 3: past about well, you know, when you have Brady, no

1494
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: offense to Brady as amazing as he was out everything else, Like,

1495
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: you're not going to run a lot of bootlegs with

1496
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 3: Tom Brady, right Like, that's just not a strength of

1497
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 3: his sore. If you're running a lot outside zone and

1498
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: then you're not running the boot off of the outside

1499
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 3: zone and you're kind of not running it, right like,

1500
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 3: that's not the system, Like, that's not how it works

1501
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: to the fullest. So they didn't have a ton of

1502
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: boots in the offense because Brady wasn't a runner and

1503
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 3: it wasn't you know, that kind of athlete, So they

1504
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 3: didn't really do a lot outside zone. But Drake is

1505
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 3: so again to your point, maybe that isn't Josh mcdaniels's uh,

1506
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 3: you know, right hook, but it's like something that he's

1507
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: got that's.

1508
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: A compliment to have.

1509
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, all right, let's get back to the calls.

1510
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: Todd is in the car today.

1511
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: What's up? Todd?

1512
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 5: I honestly have to say.

1513
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 6: I don't know him enough about Drake May's history playing

1514
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 6: and college and stuff to know. Can he be a

1515
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 6: game plan type QB?

1516
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 8: Can he adjustin, you.

1517
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 6: Know, game from games or does he need a set,

1518
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 6: you know, a series of plays in a playbook that

1519
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 6: his you know, what his standard is and where he

1520
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 6: gets comfortable. So I'm a little bit worried about that.

1521
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 6: And I have one favorite ask the two of you.

1522
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 6: Rook used to have a draft, an NFL draft before

1523
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 6: each season. Do you think you guys could run that,

1524
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 6: because since he's kind of gone, that'd be kind of

1525
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 6: cool if you do that. So I got a request

1526
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 6: and a question for you.

1527
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: Thank God, What do you mean by your draft? Yeah?

1528
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Todd?

1529
01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 6: Is the NFL dot Com draft option, and Matt can

1530
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 6: explain it. You'd email out to all the people that

1531
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 6: signed up for it, and then everybody would show.

1532
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 8: Up and we all would draft our teams and TWNFL

1533
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 8: dot com.

1534
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,440
Speaker 1: Oh, like a fantasy football a fantasy football.

1535
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 8: Thing, like a fantasy football league.

1536
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fantasy football. Yes, okay, got it? Todd?

1537
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: All right, thank you? Sorry, we both are not We're not.

1538
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: Another one of us is truly a huge fantasy guy.

1539
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I Yeah, I did the Punter League last year.

1540
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 6: That was it.

1541
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we're doing that again this year.

1542
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I just runs the league, so I

1543
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: do hurdle because you know, you gotta do that one.

1544
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: But I have one team, maybe two max if her

1545
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 3: dad does his league again as well. But that's only

1546
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 3: because it's family that I'm doing. You know, I'm doing

1547
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 3: leagues with them.

1548
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: But my Favorit book had a league and I guess

1549
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: the winner got the host with John or something. Oh, yeah,

1550
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: that is true. Yeah, my favorite thing with fantasy is

1551
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: just sitting there, like would be sitting there on Sunday

1552
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: and watching all the scores roll in and watching Red

1553
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: Zone and like the live time. Yeah, you know, I

1554
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't get the same thrill out of it just

1555
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: checking Sunday night and seeing how everybody did. In reality

1556
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: is on Sundays, I'm here, I'm working. I can't really

1557
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: do that. It just turns into me checking at the end.

1558
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: So that kind of took the air out of the

1559
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: balloon for me.

1560
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally fair. I feel the exact same way

1561
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 3: about fantasy. And then on top of that.

1562
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: I am if we do the Kicker the punder league

1563
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: again though you're in the puddle league. Yes, no, yes, yes,

1564
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the.

1565
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 3: Other thing that I find really hard about fantasy and

1566
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 3: I'm not asking for any sympathy whatsoever.

1567
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: I have an awesome job.

1568
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: But when you have to make those last minute lineup

1569
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 3: to adjustments when an actives come out, we're just busy.

1570
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: Right, We're dealing with the we're doing that's the thrill,

1571
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We're doing other things.

1572
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 3: And I over the last couple of years, there's been

1573
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 3: a couple of times where I've started guys that are

1574
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,879
Speaker 3: inactive because I've just been too busy to working on Sunday.

1575
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: You don't get to do fantasy football in real time.

1576
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: Like I just live vicariously through my friends teams because

1577
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: they asked me for advice. Not always right. I don't

1578
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: know why they still ask me, but they asked me

1579
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: for advice, and I usually get You know, I have

1580
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: two or three friends that played pretty intently, so I

1581
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: know who's on by we get time, we get talked over.

1582
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: I know who's on their teams because they're asking me

1583
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: this and that so I lived like Carelly through those teams.

1584
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: I root for those teams.

1585
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 3: So I actually what I did this past year because

1586
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 3: this happened to me a lot of the last couple,

1587
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 3: especially since I started working for the team and traveling

1588
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 3: to every road game. And I actually just like I

1589
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 3: have just do it, Like I just I gave her

1590
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 3: my password, and I was like if I if I'm

1591
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 3: starting somebody who's.

1592
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to scratch her. I don't care. This

1593
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: is it's a that's an episode of the league right there.

1594
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: If she wins, then we both win. If she so,

1595
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. I remember when when Kevin hacked,

1596
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: didn't Kevin hack Jenny's computer to Kevin's computer to change

1597
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: the line of collusion. That's right. That such a great

1598
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: show in a bad way, like they like yeah, yeah, yeah,

1599
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: she she no, Well there was one where she thought

1600
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: she was helping him because she didn't trust It was

1601
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: like a running joke through the show that she knew

1602
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: Baull better than he did, and she kind of did.

1603
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah and so she but like he found out, but

1604
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: I think he ended up winning. Anyway, I'm due for rewatch.

1605
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 3: But all that was such a good I will fully

1606
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: admit that that just does better in fantasy football than

1607
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: me one hundred percent because to your point about us

1608
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 3: not watching on Sundays, like I don't watch a ton

1609
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: of the rest of the league all the time.

1610
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: Because until you have to right about to play the Patriots.

1611
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: Literally, I literally watched the Patriots, and I watched the

1612
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 3: teams the Patriots play like those are the two that's it, right,

1613
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 3: So you know, we don't get uh, we don't get.

1614
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: Red zone, Paul.

1615
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 3: You know, Paul, there's a running joke on the post

1616
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: game show that Paul watches red zone, you know while

1617
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 3: the postgame show is going on.

1618
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: And I we don't really get to do that.

1619
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 3: So I I will admit I I've lost my touch

1620
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 3: in fantasy football over the last few weeks. Through I

1621
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 3: go back, I used to be really good at it,

1622
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 3: like five ten years ago, and now that it's like

1623
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 3: my job, it's.

1624
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: It's a little hard.

1625
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1626
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: So I'll go back though, and I think it's NFL

1627
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: plus as like the ten minute condensed twenty minute condensed game.

1628
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: I usually go back through on Monday and watch all

1629
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: the games like that. But even still that's not like

1630
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: a perfect encapsulation that can all run together because you're

1631
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: watching what like ten of those twelve of those.

1632
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even have the time for that because

1633
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: we're I'm watching the Patriots all twenty two and I

1634
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 3: got to take my notes and break it all down

1635
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 3: and you know, inspect their film. So I just kind

1636
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 3: of bypassed that. That's why I and I hear the

1637
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,799
Speaker 3: complaints about Thursday Night Football and the product and stuff.

1638
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 3: I absolutely love Thursday Night Football because it's one of

1639
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: the only times where I actually had to sit down

1640
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 3: and watch football uninterrupted. So like Thursday and then sometime,

1641
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 3: you know, I'm usually working pretty late on Mondays during

1642
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 3: the season, but like every once in a while, if

1643
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 3: I get my stuff done, like Monday Night Football, any

1644
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 3: primetime game, I'm in because I actually get to watch

1645
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 3: the game without working.

1646
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: Well, we got more. We have more primetime windows this year,

1647
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: so there's more red zone Sundays. Like the past couple

1648
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: of years, it's been by Week and Thursday Night Football

1649
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: and that's it. And maybe they had a four o'clock game,

1650
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: you got like the first half of the one o'clock

1651
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: window of red zone. We actually have a few full

1652
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,799
Speaker 1: red zone Sundays this year, and I love one o'clock

1653
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: home home game. You come home around eight o'clock after

1654
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: the game was worthing, usually walk in, walking in, like

1655
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: right on your carry on.

1656
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 3: There's nothing better than sitting down knowing your day is

1657
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 3: done and you know the day is in the bar

1658
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 3: and then you get in there and Sunday night football

1659
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 3: is just starting and you're like, this is great. So

1660
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm I love Thursday night football and I'm in the

1661
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 3: minority of that. But it's totally selfish. There was one

1662
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 3: other thing that Todd brought up that I wanted that

1663
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: was more serious than what we were just talking about. Oh,

1664
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 3: the Drake May and you know, him having the mental

1665
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 3: capacity to kind of adjust and all this, I would say,

1666
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 3: it's TBD. Like I'm not sitting here saying that Drake

1667
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: May doesn't because I don't know. I don't think we

1668
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 3: could really say that based off of last year because

1669
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 3: I just don't know what they were running last year. Like,

1670
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: I just don't think last year.

1671
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: Was truly.

1672
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: A McDaniel's PhD level offense, right, So, like it's hard

1673
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 3: to say based off of last year, and then he

1674
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 3: was in college before that, so it's not that I

1675
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 3: don't think he has that bone in his body to

1676
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: be able to be the maestro, to be the you know,

1677
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 3: the conductor at the line of scrimmage and change week

1678
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 3: to week. And may I think he probably does have

1679
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 3: some of that, But based off of what we're seeing

1680
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: out at this practice, you know, today and last week,

1681
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: there's there's a learning curve going on right now with him,

1682
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 3: and there's a timing thing and a rhythm thing going

1683
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 3: on with him right now that was really similar to

1684
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: what we saw out of him last year at this

1685
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 3: time and at the beginning of training camp, and we

1686
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 3: go always go back to that, like Eagles joint practice

1687
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 3: territory of training camp. It did seem like a flip,

1688
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 3: a switch was flipped in that practice week where after

1689
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: that he looked like the better quarterback in camp or

1690
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 3: the best quarterback in camp from that point on. And

1691
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 3: I hope we get to that point with him this summer,

1692
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: maybe sooner, but I hope we get to that point

1693
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 3: eventually sometime soon, but we're not fully there yet. And

1694
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 3: that that's the one hesitation that I just have with

1695
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: this whole thing right now, is that he still looks

1696
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 3: like a guy that is learning and it's like in

1697
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 3: a process and is trying to get through things and

1698
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 3: get through progressions and trust what he's seeing. And I

1699
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 3: just don't fully see him letting it loose just yet.

1700
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: And that has to come before we start worrying about, Oh,

1701
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 3: the Raiders are like a big quarters defense and these

1702
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 3: are the quarters beaters we're gonna put in this game plan,

1703
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 3: and like, you can't get to that point until you

1704
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 3: get you that's like step three, and we're on step one,

1705
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 3: Like you got to get through this part of the

1706
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 3: offseason and part of the install before we can start

1707
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: talking about game planning. And one week we're playing a

1708
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: zone defense, heavy defense that we're gonna run these plays.

1709
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 3: The next week we're playing a post safety man defense,

1710
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 3: and so we're gonna run those plays. Like that's all

1711
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: great in theory if we get there, you know, And

1712
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 3: I just don't know if we're there yet, certainly not

1713
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 3: in terms of this time of year. But I'm also

1714
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: not sure if this is the year that that's going

1715
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 3: to be fully unlocked. It it's a concern of mine,

1716
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: it really is that not that he can't do it,

1717
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 3: but that how long it's going to take, how long

1718
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 3: it's going to take. Yeah, like, how long are we

1719
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 3: going to be sitting here two weeks into camp and

1720
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 3: still waiting for the switch to flip on. It will

1721
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 3: flip on, I have no doubt about that, but just

1722
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 3: how quickly can it flip on for him is a

1723
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 3: big question. Did you have a thought on that at all?

1724
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: Or no? You're pretty much covered.

1725
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the back to the phones.

1726
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 3: Rio is in Texas without Brio.

1727
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 4: Hey, gentlemen, how you doing this afternoon?

1728
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: Good?

1729
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 4: It could have been one to call in since the draft,

1730
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 4: but unfortunately the timing hasn't been right. Since you have

1731
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 4: a later show today that gives me an opportunity to

1732
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 4: So I just want to make a comment and then

1733
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 4: ask a couple of questions. First is for Bart Kyle

1734
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 4: Williams Gang represent.

1735
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: Good call, first time I called in.

1736
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 4: You guys love that guy, So yeah. First question, did

1737
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 4: you see that clip of last week during OTAs where

1738
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 4: Williams caught a long pass and then Fun Diggs was

1739
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 4: celebrating with him, and Diggs was out there looked like

1740
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 4: he wasn't wearing a brace or anything on that prepared knee,

1741
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 4: and the knee looked pretty swollen. Kind of messed up.

1742
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 4: Have you guys seen him in person to see, you know,

1743
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 4: how he's progressing as far as that injury goes.

1744
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: We haven't. He hasn't been here for crack.

1745
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: So now that was the one practice just based off

1746
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 3: of photos that we posted to the website that we

1747
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 3: can we know that he was at because of the pictures,

1748
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 3: but there was no media at the practice.

1749
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Yeah. And my second question is I made

1750
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 4: this comment during the draft when they drafted Joshua Farmer.

1751
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 4: Are you guys concerned at all with how light they

1752
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 4: are upfront on defense? I had asked about the Seattle

1753
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: cover three looks, and I wasn't really talking about the

1754
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 4: back end that they That's what I focused on. I

1755
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 4: was talking more about the four to three under that

1756
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,759
Speaker 4: they played, where they were able to roll out that bigger,

1757
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 4: strong side defensive end. You know, a guy who's potentially

1758
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 4: too gap and kind of you know, get some beef upfront.

1759
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 4: Because I just keep going back to like how they

1760
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 4: played against the Jaguars last season and you know, you

1761
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 4: got what was seventeen or eighteen run plays in a

1762
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 4: row and they just couldn't get off the field. Do

1763
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 4: you see them, you know, having the schematics, versatility, and

1764
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 4: the personnel to be able to actually adapt if the

1765
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: team decides they want to try to run down there.

1766
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: For Yeah, that's a that's a good question, Rio, thanks

1767
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: for the call. I have been small see, concerned about

1768
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: the size up front for a while now. Now tong

1769
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: is a monster. He's a big dude.

1770
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, bar More when he's healthy and he's right, is

1771
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: also a big dude. But I still feel like they like,

1772
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 3: what's their their best run defense front? Now, Landry's a

1773
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: really good run player out on the edge. Yeah, he's

1774
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 3: a good duet. Yeah, you know, through the middle of

1775
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 3: the defense. And especially because they've gotten a little bit

1776
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 3: smaller at linebacker too, by choice, they've gotten smaller at linebacker.

1777
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 3: I do have some concern about teams leaning on them now.

1778
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna be only a certain amount of teams are

1779
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 3: stylistically prepared to do that, right, Like, I don't think

1780
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 3: every team, especially in the modern NFL, is built to

1781
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 3: take advantage of that. But they have Buffalo twice on

1782
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 3: their schedule. Buffalo has kind of become that a little bit,

1783
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 3: you know, certainly more so last year than a year's past,

1784
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 3: where you know with James Cook, like they can be

1785
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: a bully, like they can run the ball down your

1786
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 3: throat in Buffalo Baltimore is on the schedule, certainly can

1787
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 3: do that Vegas Week one with Ashon Genty might try

1788
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 3: to do that, right that that might be what they

1789
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: might build their offense around.

1790
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: So I hear Rio's point.

1791
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 3: You know in the Seattle three they had the designated

1792
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 3: pass rusher, the the Leo or the Rio role that

1793
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 3: you know was truly a designated pass rusher in their front.

1794
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 3: That role I based off of what we've seen in

1795
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 3: at practice they've used Keon White, I would say mostly

1796
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 3: on that side of the of the formation or that

1797
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: side of the field, and that type of role.

1798
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: Landry.

1799
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 3: They they like Landry as a run defender, and rightfully

1800
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 3: so he was a really good run defender even last

1801
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 3: year when the pass rush numbers dipped a little bit.

1802
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: So could they use like a.

1803
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: True three four now he gets three four is the

1804
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: wrong way way to call it? Like a true too,

1805
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 3: like the Rio's point, like a two gapping end maybe,

1806
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: But I do think that bar Moore is that when

1807
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: he's right, So maybe they end up kicking Barmore a

1808
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 3: little bit further outside if they have to. But it's

1809
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 3: something that is a concern to me, A small seat

1810
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 3: concern right now is right up the gut. Like I'm

1811
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 3: not talking about the edges. I think they're gonna have

1812
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 3: the athleticism and the playmakers outside with Landry and Keon

1813
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 3: White and Anthony Jennings probably mixing in a little bit

1814
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: there on the edge. But our team's going to be

1815
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 3: able to line up under center and run it right

1816
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 3: at you. And if they do, are you going to

1817
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 3: be heavy enough sturdy enough to stop it?

1818
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? We've talked about this, like are they maybe a

1819
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: defensive tackle short now? They have some guys that are

1820
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: smaller that are skilled run players like Joshua Farmer. So

1821
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 1: even like Milton Williams, right, we'll see what mil Williams

1822
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: wasn't really be used in that role in Philly. We'll

1823
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: see how he looks in that. But I would not

1824
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: hate them outing another nose tackle just to add another

1825
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: big body in the middle.

1826
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a fair question there by Rio

1827
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,879
Speaker 3: all Right, Randy is in Providence.

1828
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: What's up, Randy?

1829
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, how's going to good? So a couple more

1830
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 2: questions for you number one. You guys have mentioned a

1831
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 2: couple of times spanning a different podcasts, not just this one,

1832
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 2: but Wilson playing guard potentially, And I'm just wondering if

1833
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 2: you guys know if he has any history at all there,

1834
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: And why do you think that if you want Wilson

1835
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: and Bradberry on the field at the same time, that

1836
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: it would be Wilson you prefer to move as a

1837
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 2: boat to Bradbury.

1838
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh what else you got?

1839
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 9: Okay?

1840
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so two more quick ones. Do you think this

1841
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: is going to be a run heavier offense? I think

1842
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 2: back to like the early days of Brady where it

1843
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 2: was like they were mostly asking him to just not

1844
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: make mistakes.

1845
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 6: Right.

1846
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 2: He would throw for like two hundred and twenty yards

1847
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 2: all the time. I remember I used to like take

1848
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: him on my fantasy team and be.

1849
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 8: So annoyed at it.

1850
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: But he wouldn't throw the interceptions. You know, it was

1851
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: just no mistakes. And do you think he's going to

1852
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: kind of want to slow play Drake along like that

1853
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 2: and just say what, We're not going to ask you

1854
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: to throw for miles. We're just going to ask you

1855
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: to not throw to the other team. Yeah, And then

1856
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 2: my last one was just what sort of patience do

1857
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: you think Rabel was going to have with Diggs kind

1858
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: of social life. I guess it's like his girlfriend is

1859
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: Cardi b. That's not like a tame celebrity. A lot

1860
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: of pictures and stuff like that are bound to pop up,

1861
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 2: and he's bound. This is the second ota, Brad just

1862
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: he already got a question about one. Right, it's gonna happen.

1863
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: What sort of patients do you think he's gonna have

1864
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 2: with that?

1865
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all fair questions, Randy. What was his first question?

1866
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 3: That was a good question. I can't remember.

1867
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh boy, we're bad today. Yeah, train sitting out in

1868
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: the sun. There's a good question too, And hang on,

1869
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 1: I'll go back and find it. Okay, just to answer

1870
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,799
Speaker 1: backwards because I just totally spaced right there. Sorry, Randy.

1871
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: I would say that the patients thing with Diggs is

1872
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: is a good question. I I don't think that, you know,

1873
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 3: we're I'm that worried about it yet. Because of the

1874
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 3: type of coach that Rabel is though. I think Rabel

1875
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 3: is the type of guy that can get people to

1876
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 3: buy in, they can get people locked in. And I'll

1877
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 3: just and Diggs's defense I'll just say again, like I

1878
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 3: he was, he looks really impressive in these workout videos, right,

1879
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 3: and it looks like he's really attacking rehab and doing

1880
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 3: a good job with that. So as long as he's

1881
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: coming and doing his job that he's being paid to

1882
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 3: do in terms of playing football for the Patriots, and

1883
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 3: he's not, you know, getting into any legal trouble off

1884
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 3: the field. Like I have to imagine that none of

1885
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 3: this has really been made into a huge deal just yet.

1886
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: Internally, he's that's a guest, He's Stefan Diggs. He's a celebrity. Yeah,

1887
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 1: Like he's a beyond sports celebrity, and you know what

1888
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: you're getting into when you sign a guy like that. Yeah. So, uh,

1889
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: the first question was going, so we've talked about if

1890
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Wilson Bradbury on the field together, that

1891
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: was it's Wilson at left guard. Why not move Bradbury

1892
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: because Bradbury is a true center? Yeah, Bradbury has been

1893
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: a center going all the way back to college. Is

1894
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: seventh year in the league and he's been a center

1895
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: for all six of his previous seasons. He's also smaller. Yeah,

1896
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, does he have the sized play guard.

1897
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, much smaller player than Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson does

1898
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 3: have some guard in his background. He in college at Georgia.

1899
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,879
Speaker 3: He's a one year starter at center, but he started

1900
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 3: the at Georgia as a guard and played a lot

1901
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 3: of garden practice for the Bulldogs in practice, and so

1902
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 3: he's cross trained at both positions. Again, I Wilson's natural

1903
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 3: position is center, like, that's his long term position. And

1904
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about David Andrews here in

1905
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 3: a second as well, and don't want to forget about that,

1906
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 3: but that's his natural position.

1907
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 1: But there might be a case to be made.

1908
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 3: And I know you've made the case of let's not

1909
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 3: mess with it in terms of his development, which is

1910
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 3: also a fair point, but there just might be a

1911
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 3: really strong case to be made that for the twenty

1912
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 3: twenty five Patriots, the best position for Jared Wilson has

1913
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 3: left guard, so that they can have all five of

1914
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 3: those guys together, you know, Campbell, Wilson, brad Berry on

1915
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 3: when New Moses is probably on paper their best five

1916
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: man combination, and the only way that happens is if

1917
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 3: Wilson plays guard right. So that's the thought process there.

1918
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 3: But I agree with you from a standpoint of you

1919
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 3: messing with his development. I think that that can be

1920
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: a fair point too, if that's the way it is.

1921
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: I still think if Wilson's good enough to play, is

1922
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: good enough to play center? Yeah?

1923
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So before we get back to the calls and emails,

1924
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about David Andrews, and I

1925
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: don't want to forget, So let's do it now.

1926
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: David Andrews.

1927
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 3: The Patriots just tweeted that David Andrews is going to

1928
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: have a retirement press conference on Monday. He's officially retiring

1929
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: from the NFL after a great career here in New England.

1930
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: Two time Super Bowl champion. How many times is he

1931
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: a captain?

1932
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 6: Like?

1933
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: Five?

1934
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 3: Six, seven times team captain? I don't know six, I

1935
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 3: have the exact number off the top of my head.

1936
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: But represented the organization just as well as any player

1937
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 3: possibly could. I would say in my time covering the team,

1938
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 3: it's a it's a three horse race. But specifically, I guess,

1939
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 3: just to me from the guys that I got to

1940
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,759
Speaker 3: know a little bit better, Devin mccordy and David Andrews

1941
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: were the consonmate of consonmate pros that I've ever been around. Yeah,

1942
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 3: Slater would be the third one, of course. And I

1943
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: would put David Andrews in the same exact category as

1944
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 3: I would put those two guys as just like not

1945
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 3: only a perfect leader, but also just like that's a

1946
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 3: football player, Yeah, like that's an nf fell offensive line.

1947
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 3: And the toughness and the attitude that he brought. He

1948
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 3: was always like a guy that would stand up for

1949
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 3: any of the quarterbacks, whether it was Tom Brady or

1950
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 3: Mac Jones or Bailey, Zappy or Drake or whoever Cam Newton,

1951
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 3: he stood up for all of them. He was always

1952
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 3: tough as nails. He was always clutch. He had big

1953
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 3: blocks and big moments and big sequences as a Patriot,

1954
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 3: obviously as a two times Super Bowl champion, there is

1955
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 3: no doubt in my mind that David Andrews will wear

1956
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 3: a red jacket some day. He will be a Patriot

1957
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. One hundred percent can almost guarantee that

1958
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 3: he will be a Patriot Hall of Famer. Will He

1959
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 3: used to wait four years until you can get on

1960
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 3: the ballot, and then there obviously could be a log

1961
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 3: jam still going on as we've seen already with Edelman

1962
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 3: and Viniti and Gronk coming up and other guys coming

1963
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 3: up as well. But he, to me, will be a

1964
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 3: red jacket guy not before long. And it'll be cool

1965
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,799
Speaker 3: to send him off on Monday and have that press conference.

1966
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know some people roll their eyes at the

1967
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Patriot Way thing because the way the last few years

1968
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: have gone. But you talk about what the Patriot Way

1969
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: is at its core, and when we talked about that

1970
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: when they were winning, right, the Patriot Way. What is

1971
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: the Patriot It's David Andrews. David Andrews is the textbook

1972
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Patriot Way. An undrafted guy, undersized, came in here, worked

1973
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 1: his ass off, proved he could be a good football player, improved,

1974
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: took coaching, took accountability, became a leader, became a core

1975
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: member of the team. I would make the joke when

1976
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: they wore the throwbacks, like the guy in the helmet

1977
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: snap in the football, that's David Andrews. Like everything that

1978
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,799
Speaker 1: their run was is embodied by David Andrews.

1979
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,759
Speaker 3: I give him a ton of credit. Obviously, the winning's

1980
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 3: great Super Bowl rings are great. I give him even

1981
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 3: more credit for how he handled himself the last few years. Yeah,

1982
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 3: because I am sure and he's spoken about it has

1983
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 3: been extremely difficult on him to go from a perennial

1984
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 3: Super Bowl contender to a team picking in the top five.

1985
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: That cannot be easy.

1986
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 3: And he every time, you know, he was asked to

1987
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 3: be available, he was available. He was one of the

1988
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 3: first guys to the podium after all these losses recently.

1989
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 3: He was always one of the first ones up there,

1990
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 3: oftentimes still in like pads, like game pants and like

1991
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 3: basically in uniform still and come up to the podium

1992
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 3: and do his press conference, and always a stand up guy,

1993
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 3: always answered questions, always took accountability for the team's performance.

1994
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 3: He was out of anybody that's been on this team

1995
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 3: post Brady Like. He was pulling on the rope as

1996
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 3: hard as you possibly could have pulled on the rope.

1997
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, over the last couple of years, just not

1998
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 3: enough guys pulled on the rope in the right direction

1999
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 3: with him. But it wasn't David Andrews Like. He was

2000
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 3: not a problem. It was not him that wasn't putting

2001
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 3: in the effort. It's a bummer that the career, his

2002
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 3: career nine years in the league is ending on this note.

2003
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 3: You know, injury last year more or less ended his career.

2004
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 3: It sounds like he's that a little bit on his

2005
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 3: own podcast, so to have his career end like that, obviously,

2006
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 3: the Patriots cut him earlier this offseason. The idea was

2007
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 3: probably to give him a chance to catch on elsewhere.

2008
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 3: I have no inside of information or whatsoever on whether

2009
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: or not he even had any calls or had any opportunities.

2010
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: But he has opted to retire. So that retirement press

2011
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 3: conference will be on Monday afternoon at three thirty. We

2012
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 3: are expected to be out of OTAs that day and

2013
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 3: then they're going to have the press conference after that,

2014
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a jam pack day. And

2015
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 3: I do believe that Patriots dot Com will carry it live,

2016
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 3: so you'll be able to watch it on Patriots dot

2017
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 3: com and on Patriots YouTube as well if you want

2018
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: to watch the press conference. So it should be Uh,

2019
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 3: those are we've only covered a I've covered we did.

2020
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 3: Devin mccordy's slater didn't do one, so I haven't done

2021
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 3: a ton of them.

2022
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Did I don't do one? He did know because it's COVID.

2023
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh he like zoomed with us. Yeah, and he did

2024
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: in the fall or.

2025
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 3: He did the video with him on the field where

2026
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 3: he announced it and and you know the Foxborough Forever

2027
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 3: stuff and all that. But I think Devin McCarty might

2028
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 3: be the only guy that's done this like a true

2029
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 3: retirement press conference. In this vance y I started covering.

2030
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 3: Well that's another one too. You mentioned it, Edelman and

2031
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 3: the fox Barrow Forever stuff. Yeah, one of the few

2032
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 3: guys from the run who'd in, uh mccordy to one

2033
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: of the few guys that didn't go elsewhere. Yeah, and

2034
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 3: if you remember back he I think was it the

2035
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 3: Ravens or the Dolphins that we were all sure like

2036
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 3: he was gone.

2037
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, after the twenty twenty season. He misses the twenty

2038
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: nineteen season with the I think it was with the

2039
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 1: blood clot plays in twenty twenty, which nobody expected coming

2040
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: off that blood clot in COVID. Yeah, played played that season,

2041
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: and then in twenty two twenty he was a free agent.

2042
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the passing the torch to

2043
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: Ted Carris, and that was one of the big things

2044
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: that offseason was you have a rookie and not that

2045
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: anybody had anything against Ted Carris, Ted Krress a great player.

2046
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Ted Carris ended up having a great career for himself.

2047
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: But I remember one of the talking points that offseason was,

2048
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: all right, the probably gonna have a rookie quarterback coming in. Boy,

2049
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: it'd be great to have a guy like David Andrews.

2050
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: It's going to be a shade when he leaves. And

2051
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: then at like the eleventh hour, all of a sudden,

2052
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: David to the point where Ted Carriss had resigned to

2053
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: like a starter contract. Everybody thought he's gonna to the center.

2054
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: Then Andrews comes back and tells you what they thought

2055
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 1: of him, that they had paid Ted Carris like a

2056
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: starter and still took Andrews back. And Ted Carris ultimately

2057
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 1: ends up starting that year because they moved the offensive

2058
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: line around a bunch over the course of that season.

2059
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 1: But David Andrews wanted to come back. They wanted him

2060
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: back that bad. I think the twenty twenty one off

2061
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 1: season speaks a lot to what David Andrews meant to

2062
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: this team.

2063
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I can't stress enough just how impressed

2064
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 3: I was with David Andrews post Brady, Like it's one

2065
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 3: thing to be on board and be a great teammate

2066
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 3: and be a great locker room guy when you're winning

2067
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 3: and you're going to the Super Bowl every year, when

2068
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 3: that turns in the way that it did, and the

2069
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 3: team goes to picking in the top five and winning

2070
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 3: four games a year, and he's still the same guy,

2071
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 3: and he's still a stand up dude. And even being

2072
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 3: around the team last year he was injured, like he

2073
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 3: was out there at those practices when it was like

2074
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 3: thirty degrees out the team had like four wins, three wins,

2075
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 3: and he's out there trying to help his teammates get

2076
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 3: better as a coach essentially. You know, he's done some podcasting,

2077
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 3: He's done some stuff with you guys, or he's been

2078
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 3: on the air a couple of times with you guys.

2079
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if media is his direction. I don't

2080
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 3: know coaching his direction. I know he's talked in the

2081
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 3: past about not being able to be too far away

2082
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 3: from football, like he needs to be in football some way,

2083
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 3: just to scratch the itch post playing career, is that media?

2084
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 3: Is that going into coaching, We'll see it. But it

2085
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 3: was a great career. Nine years, two time Super Bowl champion. Yeah,

2086
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 3: David Andrews is one of my personal favorites. I had

2087
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,799
Speaker 3: some great stories too. Just a great guy, a great patriot.

2088
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to the phones. Mark is

2089
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 3: in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?

2090
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call as always a well.

2091
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 9: I love the rant that you guys just went on

2092
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 9: about David Andrews. I mean, he's just a body, like

2093
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 9: Alex was saying, the Patriot way, first guy to the

2094
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 9: podium every time. Just a true professional and I love

2095
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 9: him absolutely. The other couple of things real quick, is

2096
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 9: Jalen Folk do you think he's going to turn into

2097
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 9: a Taekwon Thorarton, you know, Nikuil Harry, Like, is he

2098
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 9: still nursing an injury right now?

2099
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 5: Is he practicing?

2100
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 9: I'm just worried that, you know, it's another second round

2101
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 9: bust out of him. And then the other thing is

2102
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 9: I love the fact that Kendrick Warren is, you know,

2103
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,560
Speaker 9: reviving his career.

2104
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 8: Again with Josh McDonalds because we all know he.

2105
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 9: He knows the system well and I'm really rooting for him.

2106
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the call. Mark.

2107
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 3: So, Jalen Polk is we mentioned this earlier in the show,

2108
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 3: but Jempo's here, He's participating limitedly limitedly that word, he's limited.

2109
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,839
Speaker 3: He is limited in these practices and during positional drills,

2110
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 3: during individuals and things like that, he's participating. But then

2111
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 3: when they go to team, when they go to eleven

2112
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 3: on eleven, he's doing routes on air on the side

2113
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 3: field while everybody else is doing team. So he's not

2114
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 3: fully cleared yet for team. It doesn't seem like he

2115
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 3: is coming off that injury. I really confirmed this, but

2116
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 3: I believe it was a shoulder right, that sounds right.

2117
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 3: At the end of last year, he ended the year

2118
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 3: actually on IR now is one game he missed with eighteen.

2119
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: He missed one game on injured reserves shoulder injury.

2120
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 3: Shoulder injury. So I assume that he had some sort

2121
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 3: of surgery or something like that on that.

2122
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: He was going to sling some of those offseason videos. Yeah,

2123
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:32,759
Speaker 1: so he's coming back from that in terms of bust.

2124
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 6: Uh. You know.

2125
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 3: The tough thing about Jalen Polk, I don't want to

2126
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 3: write anybody off, and I certainly don't want to write

2127
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 3: off a guy who's going into year two after a

2128
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 3: year one was really just not a great setup for

2129
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 3: a rookie receiver. Now with that being said, there is

2130
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 3: not a lot of history of a receiver putting up,

2131
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 3: was it eleven catches, twelve catches, twelve Yeah, something like that,

2132
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 3: and then going on and blossoming into a great receiver,

2133
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 3: even a good receiver.

2134
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: There's just not touchdowns.

2135
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 3: There's just not a lot of like that could be

2136
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 3: one game, right, You're right like that, there's just not

2137
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 3: a lot of precedent for that in terms of it

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01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 3: panning out. Now, maybe there's a little bit more precedent

2139
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,759
Speaker 3: for him then going on to just being an NFL player,

2140
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 3: Like a guy that's contributed can contribute, but in terms

2141
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 3: of him being like a big time contributor or an

2142
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 3: impact player. I'm not ready to close the book because

2143
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't close the book on any player

2144
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 3: that's his youngest, Jalen Polk. But uh, we're we're in

2145
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 3: dire times, like we're we're pretty unrealistically projecting forward. If

2146
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 3: we're thinking that he's going to go on and be

2147
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 3: like a high impact receiver in the NFL based off

2148
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 3: of his rookie season, the two things working for him

2149
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 3: one horrible setup for any rookie receiver last year, like

2150
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 3: that offense. Uh, the coaching staff, all of that just

2151
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,839
Speaker 3: wasn't set up for success, and they admitted it as much. Yeah,

2152
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 3: Elly Wolfs submitted as much. The other thing that I

2153
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 3: think is working for him is that, for better or worse,

2154
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 3: a lot of his struggles as a rookie were mental,

2155
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 3: I think more than physical.

2156
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: Once he didn't get that heel in against Miami in

2157
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: Week five, he just kind of forgot how to play

2158
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 1: football for a little while there. He was just not playable,

2159
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: Like it was just a mental hurdle that he was

2160
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: not able to overcome. So hopefully with an offseason, you know,

2161
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: the more time that's passed from that, like maybe he

2162
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: can get out of his own head a little bit

2163
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: about all these different things. I mean, you hope that

2164
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: kind of the reset is what he needs. And a

2165
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 1: lot of it was mental last year. But it's just

2166
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:39,640
Speaker 1: it's so tough to turn around the fact that he

2167
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,799
Speaker 1: is limited right now, like he's playing catchup. He's already

2168
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: playing ketchup. But then the fact that he's behind in

2169
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: terms of this injury and he's not out there with

2170
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 1: everybody else makes it even tougher. So you hope he's

2171
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: good to go by the start of camp and he

2172
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,879
Speaker 1: can really compete, but he's just there's so many areas

2173
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: in which again he's playing catch up. Yeah.

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01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely, all right, let's get to some of these emails.

2175
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 3: We have a couple good ones here. So this is

2176
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 3: a good one here from Stevie Steve Steve, so I'm

2177
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 3: assuming his name is just Steve, so it goes Steve.

2178
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 3: He asks, how do we think that the Rabel defense

2179
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 3: will defend the tight ends, especially week one looking ahead

2180
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 3: to brock Bauers in Week one with the Raiders. It's

2181
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:25,480
Speaker 3: a good question because they had they had a specific

2182
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,799
Speaker 3: like tight end stopper role in the Belichick style defense

2183
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 3: where you know, whether it was Kyle Duggar or Patrick

2184
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 3: Chung and his like career renaissance second, you know, life

2185
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 3: there in his career, whatever the case may be, that

2186
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 3: for a long time, it was that like cover safety

2187
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 3: role that I played man to man on tight ends

2188
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 3: for the Titans defenses. With Rabel, like they were a

2189
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 3: little bit more zone heavy, a little less man to man,

2190
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 3: so you know, they were a little bit more in

2191
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 3: terms of zone distribution, Like that's how they would cover

2192
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 3: tight ends. Right, you just have guys bodies in the middle,

2193
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 3: of the field and zoning guys off and things like that.

2194
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 3: I still feel like we've seen quite a bit of

2195
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 3: manton Man coverage as you would expect with Gonzo and

2196
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 3: Carlon Davis and the players the Patriots may have, So

2197
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if it looks similar and you

2198
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 3: have some of those cover safeties again, whether it's you know,

2199
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 3: a dugger Craig Woodson potentially competing for a role like that,

2200
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 3: Alex Austin, maybe you know as like an inside corner,

2201
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 3: like a slot corner. But you know, Bowers is like

2202
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 3: more of like a flex receiver than he is. He's

2203
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 3: more of a slot receiver than he is like a

2204
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 3: true tight end. So maybe like that they cover him

2205
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 3: in Week one with a corner, you know, if you

2206
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 3: want to get specific to Brock Bowers. But I think

2207
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 3: it's going to be pretty similar based off of what

2208
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 3: we've seen. Now we've seen very little, but that's where

2209
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 3: I'm at with that.

2210
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Craig Woodson probably makes most sense as

2211
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: the tight end stopper in general. Do you want to

2212
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: throw Brock Bowers at him in his first NFL game?

2213
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: That might be where they go Austin or they go

2214
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 1: with Peppers, and it'll probably be multiple I mean, he's

2215
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: their top receiver. He'll be double teamed and he'll get

2216
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. But I think ideally Craig Woodson

2217
01:42:58,720 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 1: slots into that role.

2218
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I you know, he did a

2219
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 3: little bit in college. Now, he had his ups and

2220
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 3: downs in that role in college. I remember Gats in

2221
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 3: the Syracuse tight end he had a game against him.

2222
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Well, Gats is another one of these guys. He was

2223
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: a wide receiver when he entered college.

2224
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, game, you had a couple of big catches against

2225
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 3: Craig woods And I'm still weary if that's really a

2226
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 3: strength of his game. But in terms of getting on

2227
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 3: the field and like give the opportunities that might be

2228
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 3: there for Craig woods and it feels like those opportunities

2229
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 3: are better suited. You know, Duggar and Peppers are going

2230
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 3: to be Duggar and Peppers. They're going to play their roles,

2231
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 3: they're going to be starters, they are going to be

2232
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 3: full time players. So if he's going to get on

2233
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 3: the field, it's going to be you know, potentially could

2234
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 3: be him being able to lock down tight ends it's

2235
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 3: like either him being able to lockdown tight ends or

2236
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 3: him playing center field, Like those are the two ways

2237
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 3: that he really has a path on the field. All right,

2238
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 3: this is a question from that one Boston fan. He

2239
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 3: has a Twitter account. I 't know if he's getting

2240
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 3: his Twitter account a little bit, but he asks, uh,

2241
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 3: you know how big how I guess to rephrase this,

2242
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 3: how uh frequently with the Patriots use trick place on

2243
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 3: offense this year. I think it is a good question

2244
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 3: because McDaniels has always been a trick he loves trick place.

2245
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: Morton last year. I mean, I don't know, I don't

2246
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: know if I can give you a percentage won a

2247
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: game when every other game something like that, But they'll

2248
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:17,799
Speaker 1: they'll be a feature.

2249
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's no doubt about it. Like he's a

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01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 3: big trick play guy. Yeah, whether it's I don't know.

2251
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 3: I call a flea flicker a trick play. I don't

2252
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 3: know if it's truly a trick play. It's kind of

2253
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 3: maybe in a slightly different.

2254
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Box, but I think it's a trick It's a common

2255
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: trick play, but it's a trick play.

2256
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 3: So he's a big flea flicker guy. Yeah, he's a

2257
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 3: big double pass guy. Yeah, I mean the pass the

2258
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 3: ball out to the receiver to then throw back to

2259
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 3: the back and the screen in the flat is like

2260
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:47,839
Speaker 3: a McDaniel's trick play staple.

2261
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you pull you screen out right, you pull the

2262
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 1: offensive line out left, and the wide receivers back left.

2263
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Who is the throwing wide receiver now though, So Kendrick

2264
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Bourne's done a little bit, A little bit. I don't

2265
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: know though, if there's none of them really have quarterback backgrounds.

2266
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Do they bowlk Baker? Oh, Kyle Williams in high school? Yeah,

2267
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: I think was a quarterback. So maybe it's Kyle Williams

2268
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: or they gonna have a rook you mas throwing the ball.

2269
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 3: And I know we're not really supposed to say this,

2270
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 3: but not this in practice this year, but in the

2271
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 3: past Hunter Henry's throwing some passes in practice.

2272
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 1: Now most of the time is goofing off. But like

2273
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: those Arkansas tight ends, remember a j Jerby, Maybe he's

2274
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: got a little bit of an arm. I don't know.

2275
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 1: Maybe that's tougher to do though, because they rarely put him. Well,

2276
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be different with Josh McDaniels. Yeah, how much

2277
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: should Henry line up out wide into twenty twenty one,

2278
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: because not a ton they're gonna know if Hunter Henry's

2279
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 1: lined up on the boundary, Hey, something's coming. Yeah, usually

2280
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, they all the Patriots run place to

2281
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 1: set it up, and maybe that's something we see more

2282
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: than this.

2283
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, So all their double passes in the past, for

2284
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 3: the most part, I shouldn't say all. It's just off

2285
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 3: the top of my head. The ones that I remember,

2286
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 3: they used to use Gronk as like a blocker, like

2287
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 3: as like a personal protector basically for the thrower. So

2288
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 3: they put the Edelman outside, they put Gronk on the

2289
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Edelman would like take a five steps

2290
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 3: back to how to be a backwards pass, and then

2291
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 3: Gronk would literally pass it in front of him and

2292
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,839
Speaker 3: just stand in front of him. You watch the touchdown

2293
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 3: passa Danny A. Mondola against Baltimore in the playoffs. Gronk

2294
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 3: is the one that is basically playing left tackle for

2295
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 3: Julian Edelman, so most of the time that's a tight end.

2296
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 3: So maybe that would more be Hunter Henry's role.

2297
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:26,719
Speaker 1: They actually throwing the pator Henry fifty eight uh snaps

2298
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: in the out wide. Now he did play a lot

2299
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 1: in the slot. It's actually career high slot usage for

2300
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty one. So yeah, on the Baltimore win,

2301
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: your point Edelman lines up out wide. Yeah, but he

2302
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: actually motions in and by the time the ball snapped,

2303
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,639
Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver. So yep, a little short.

2304
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 3: Motion and then the other So they like that play,

2305
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: right obviously double true double pass.

2306
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: Like here, I'm sorry, I just like sneezed it in

2307
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: the mic. I thought I muted my mic. I hit

2308
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 1: pause on the computer. I'm so out of it. So

2309
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 1: did that earlier today too, and I was thinking like, man,

2310
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: I hope I don't do that and hit pause on

2311
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: the computer, thinking I think everybody will forgive you. It's

2312
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:02,679
Speaker 1: a it's gross.

2313
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,679
Speaker 3: So you had the the Edelman double pass, like back

2314
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 3: to the to the screen side, right, So you have

2315
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 3: like the that's the line of scrimmage play where they

2316
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 3: throw it out to Edelman and then they throw the

2317
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 3: screen across. Then they also have like just a straight

2318
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 3: double pass like Damn and Dola in twenty fourteen, Like

2319
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 3: that's just a out to the receiver up the field

2320
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 3: double pass. Then the other thing that they built in

2321
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 3: to the screen one is that they would have the

2322
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 3: receiver on the screen side run a deep over and

2323
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 3: he actually hit Philip dor Set for a touchdown in

2324
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 3: Philadelphia on the downfield throw.

2325
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 1: Was that the one Dorset got hurt.

2326
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if he got hurt, but

2327
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 3: he kind of touchdown. It was the only touchdown of

2328
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 3: the game for the either two and it was an

2329
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 3: Edelman touchdown pass to Philip dor Set and McDaniels. Josh

2330
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 3: did a podcast with Julian Edelman. It must have been

2331
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 3: like Games with Names or one of the Edelman shows,

2332
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 3: and they talked about it, and I guess, like that

2333
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 3: route is just a clear out to clear out that

2334
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 3: side and it's really not an option, like it's you're

2335
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 3: not supposed to throw it. The only time you're supposed

2336
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,640
Speaker 3: to throw it is if he's like wide open, like

2337
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 3: there's like literally nobody covers him and he's wide open.

2338
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 3: But this wasn't that, Like this was like a throw,

2339
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 3: like he threw the ball to Phillip dor Set like

2340
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 3: a quarterback would. And Julian Edelman said that he remembered

2341
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 3: the night before the game they had to walk through

2342
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 3: yea and he jokingly threw the he jokingly through the

2343
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 3: pass the door set and McDaniels was like, you better

2344
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 3: not do that in the game, And then he did

2345
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 3: it in the game the next day and I and

2346
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 3: I think the quote was like you maverick or something

2347
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 3: like that, like and McDaniels was pissed that he actually

2348
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 3: made the throw, but it was for a touchdown, So

2349
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 3: can't be two pissed you're a touchdown only touch of that.

2350
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: Again, that was a rock fight that game. That game

2351
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:49,839
Speaker 1: was brutal.

2352
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,719
Speaker 3: This is a good catch twenty two question here to

2353
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 3: wrap it up on because this could take us a

2354
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 3: few minutes to get there. So this is a very

2355
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 3: long email from Robert, very well thought out Robert. I.

2356
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 3: I apologize that I can't read the whole email, but

2357
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:07,640
Speaker 3: I will summarize. So the summarization of this email is

2358
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 3: about a concept that you and I have kicked around

2359
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 3: many times on the show about an NFL developmental league

2360
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 3: and having some way in the off season, yes to

2361
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 3: allow NFL players to play in the spring leagues as

2362
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 3: a way to develop their skin, a whole plan for

2363
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,800
Speaker 3: those So the UFL is going on right now, correct.

2364
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 1: Their final week in the regular season, is this week

2365
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 1: this weekend?

2366
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 3: It's the ratings have been awful, if I'm not mistaken,

2367
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 3: like no one cares.

2368
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 1: Not as bad as some of the other spring leagues.

2369
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not the NFL. Not a

2370
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: ton of people are watching. No.

2371
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 3: So the way that this is mutually benefited, there's obvious

2372
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 3: benefits for a league like the UFL to bring in

2373
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 3: NFL players because that would then get us sick goose

2374
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 3: to watch right well, and.

2375
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: It becomes it becomes part of following your team because

2376
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: if the Patriot to have a player assigned there, you

2377
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 1: want to see what he's gonna do. Is he gonna

2378
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 1: make a push with the roster, especially the quarterbacks. I'll

2379
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 1: say this about the UFL, like it's not as bad

2380
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 1: as a whole. The football is not as bad as

2381
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 1: people make it out to be. The court, there's not

2382
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: nearly enough quarterbacks, so the poor quarterback play brings everybody

2383
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:22,719
Speaker 1: else down. The number of like overthrows or bad reads

2384
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:25,719
Speaker 1: or guys just holding the ball, leading the sacks, miss

2385
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 1: picking up protections. If the quarterback play was better, the

2386
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: league as a whole would be a lot better.

2387
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 3: So that being said, the concept that we've always kicked around.

2388
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 3: And let's be clear, this is not Drake may going

2389
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 3: to play in the springley. This is I know he's

2390
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 3: not on the team anymore, but this is Joe Milton

2391
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 3: going to play in this even he might be astra

2392
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 3: like I too good.

2393
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be like a guy who finished it

2394
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 1: probably would be a guy who finished the pass season,

2395
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:53,799
Speaker 1: like on the practice squad or not on a ringar

2396
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: guy like a future contract guy. Well, he's a rookie,

2397
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: so that's different. I'll get to that in a second. Yeah,

2398
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: but you probably would need some So I think the

2399
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: probably something written into the contract where the player would

2400
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 1: have to agree to it that like, hey, we are

2401
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 1: allowed to ask you to go play in this league.

2402
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of benefits from obviously the spring

2403
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 3: league side in terms of money and revenue, but the

2404
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 3: other the real advantage I think for NFL teams for

2405
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 3: this is that once you get into the season, especially,

2406
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 3: there's just not a ton of reps for these backup rights,

2407
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 3: and especially at positions that are very technique based, like

2408
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:35,800
Speaker 3: offensive line. Everybody talks about how the offensive line play

2409
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 3: around the league stinks, and it's a developmental issue. It's

2410
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 3: a pipeline issue, and it's just across the league.

2411
01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 1: Teams are having trouble finding enough talent on the offensive line. Now,

2412
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that this would solve all your problems,

2413
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: but it does. It will, in theory, increase the talent

2414
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 1: level of the offensive line, the pool around the league,

2415
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 1: and the floor of the talent around the league if

2416
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 1: you would allow and we're talking about practice squad guys

2417
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: and maybe on rare, rare exceptions, like back end of

2418
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 1: the roster guys that didn't play at all in the

2419
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 1: NFL and we're like healthy scratches all the time or

2420
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be the year before. But this

2421
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 1: allowing that to happen, I think would be huge for quarterbacks.

2422
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 1: It'd be huge for linemen. Yeah, and other positions too.

2423
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, there are always benefits to getting live reps.

2424
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: You can't replicate live reps, and especially once you get

2425
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,679
Speaker 1: into the season, it's really difficult to replicate live reps

2426
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: for backups because they just are all the starters are

2427
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 1: repping all the time and these practices and there's not

2428
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: a lot of contact to begin with. A lot of

2429
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 1: these practice especially late in the season, aren't even full

2430
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 1: contact practices anymore because guys are banged up and stuff

2431
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 1: like that, so the coaches pull back. So this would

2432
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:52,719
Speaker 1: allow you know, good examples in the past that we've had,

2433
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 1: you know are like guys like a Trey Nixon, right,

2434
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 1: who's like trying to make the Patriots team a year

2435
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: in and year out, can't break through. If he goes

2436
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 1: to the UFL and plays live football in the spring,

2437
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 1: does that put him in a better position to potentially

2438
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 1: make the Patriots roster in the summer, And then it's

2439
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 1: more content, which the NFL is all about, because now

2440
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: we're following this thing and we're talking about Trey Nixon. Hey,

2441
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,760
Speaker 1: Trey Nixon had eight hundred yards in ten games in

2442
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: the UFL, Like should we be noticing that? So I

2443
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 1: would take it to another level. I think the spring league.

2444
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 1: First of all, you'd have to shift it. This is

2445
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: my idea. You don't do it this time of year.

2446
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: It goes from the week after the Super Bowl to

2447
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before the draft. That's what I

2448
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: would run. And you have three groups of players street

2449
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 1: free agents, street free agents, So these are just guys

2450
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 1: that don't have a team they're veterans, they can play.

2451
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 1: The second group is players assigned by NFL teams, and

2452
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 1: you would figure out what qualifies a player who can

2453
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: be assigned and how they'd get split up on the

2454
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 1: different teams. You could also, by the way, do that

2455
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: with coaches and maybe give some young coaches experience. But

2456
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe NFL teams want their players to play

2457
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 1: for a certain coach, they send him to a certain team,

2458
01:53:58,240 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: or you send a guy close to where he played

2459
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 1: college because that's good for the Development League because they'll

2460
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: get some groups. And then the third group you make

2461
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 1: for certain players coming out of college, you have to

2462
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 1: declare for the draft. You can't do this and go

2463
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: back to school, but you make it an alternative to

2464
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl Combine circuit. Okay, so a young guy

2465
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't have a top pick doing this, right,

2466
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 1: But a guy that's on the fringe, so Ben wold

2467
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 1: Ridge would be a great example of this undrafted player

2468
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of tape. What's the combine really

2469
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 1: going to do for him? He didn't get invites to

2470
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 1: the Senior BOWLD. No, he's going to go play in

2471
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 1: this league and now we get to watch him, And

2472
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 1: imagine if especially there aren't some bigger name quarterbacks that

2473
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 1: aren't looked at looked at. It's like draftable guys. Perfect

2474
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: example of this, dju Ungalle Yeah, right, was nothing was

2475
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 1: happening for him at the combine. He wasn't gonna raise

2476
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 1: his stock. If he go plays and plays in this

2477
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: league and he lights it up, should he be drafted?

2478
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: How high's he going to be drafted? Blah blah blah,

2479
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 1: something like that. Right, They ultimately went in the first round,

2480
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 1: but guys like Johnny Manziel and Tim tebow Wright would

2481
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: have would have been things for this. So I think

2482
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 1: they should do that. And then that's why you have

2483
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: to have the league end before the draft. And there

2484
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: is some precedence for this. Uh was it? Uh? Stickers?

2485
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:21,800
Speaker 1: I forget his first name. The corner Quantes Stiggers. Oh yea, yeah,

2486
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: who was in the draft last year. Yeah, he didn't

2487
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: play college football. He was supposed to play college football

2488
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 1: and the pandemic captain and he had some stuff in

2489
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 1: his personal life and he dropped out and he ended

2490
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 1: up signing with the CFL, and he didn't do really

2491
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: much of the offseason program or the pre draft process.

2492
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 1: He was just in the CFL and the Jets drafted him. Yeah, so,

2493
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: and I think he actually played like a good amount

2494
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 1: last year, so you could you you there is some

2495
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 1: precedent and there was another corner two a few years

2496
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 1: ago did this who got drafted. I think of the

2497
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 1: the XFL at the time you create, you let college

2498
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 1: guys play in this league to try to up their

2499
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: draft stock who maybe need a little bit more of

2500
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: the showcase. It's nothing against the Senior Bowl, but Senior

2501
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 1: bowls limited reps, and there's a lot of good players

2502
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 1: there and it's just one game in three days of practice.

2503
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 1: Some guys might need a whole season. You give those

2504
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: guys an opportunity to maybe show what they can do

2505
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 1: with a little more room.

2506
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 3: I just think there's a lot of advantages from the

2507
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 3: live rep aspect, especially for offensive lineman. I'll go back there, like,

2508
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 3: if you want to improve the talent of the offensive

2509
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 3: line around the NFL, you're not going to do that

2510
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 3: with guys that are blocking against air or against like

2511
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 3: you know, in these non padded practices and things like that.

2512
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 1: They need live reps.

2513
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 3: They need real reps in games, and you can get

2514
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 3: those in these types of spring leaves. Now the obvious

2515
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 3: question would then be like injury concern, and I think

2516
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 3: to that point, and this happens with rookies that don't

2517
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 3: that are unsigned, You sign a waiver and basically you

2518
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 3: get treated like you're on injured reserve. You get placed

2519
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 3: on injured reserve by your NFL team. The waiver that

2520
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 3: you sign says that you will be compensated like you

2521
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 3: would be if you were on injured preserve during the

2522
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,800
Speaker 3: NFL season, And it's basically just an extension of that

2523
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 3: and that way there if you know, I hope not,

2524
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 3: but like if Eft and Chisholm were to go do

2525
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 3: this next year and he were to get seriously hurt,

2526
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 3: hopefully not if that ever happens, but if it did,

2527
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 3: then he would be covered, you know, in terms of compensation,

2528
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 3: so it wouldn't be like out of a job.

2529
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 1: On the same line, and Chishm would have been the

2530
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 1: guy that could have gotten played in the league this

2531
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:28,440
Speaker 1: year and probably would have gotten drafted if he could

2532
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: showcase against some professional talent. The guys you taught were

2533
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 1: talking about assigning to this league. Yeah, you need to

2534
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 1: do it if you want a chance to make the team.

2535
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 1: So it's not, well, I don't want to get hurt

2536
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 1: and risk my contract. Right, you don't do it, You're

2537
01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 1: probably not gonna have an NFL contract.

2538
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the couple, you know, a lot of them

2539
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 3: are rookies that I'm thinking of off the top of

2540
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 3: my head.

2541
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 1: But like even like a guy like like.

2542
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 3: Tyres Robinson who we talked about today, got some run

2543
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 3: at at left guard. Like if he had been able

2544
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 3: to play in the Spring League up until this point,

2545
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 3: like maybe he would have a like I wouldn't be

2546
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 3: dismissing it.

2547
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he would have a real show. So I'll give

2548
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 1: you another one. Vaderian Low. The Patriots trade for Vaderian

2549
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: Low during the twenty twenty three season. He doesn't play

2550
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: a ton. Then they go back last off. He's saying, Okay,

2551
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,839
Speaker 1: this guy might be our starting left tackle. You assigned

2552
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 1: him to the league, and you would have some sort

2553
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: of deal with the coach that, hey, you were assigning

2554
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 1: him to you as a left tackle. You're going to

2555
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: play him at left tackle. That's who want him to develop.

2556
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 1: And he could have gotten a bunch of left tackle reps.

2557
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:27,400
Speaker 1: Chookes a core for same thing. A guy that signed

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01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 1: for not a lot of money. Now would he have

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01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: gone through with it, I don't know. But like in theory,

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01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 1: all right, this guy's the right tackle. We need to

2561
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 1: make get reps at left right. We're going to assign him,

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01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 1: and you tell the coach in that league like you're

2563
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 1: playing him at left and the league would agree to

2564
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 1: it because they're getting these players they wouldn't otherwise get.

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01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 3: So we have to wrap. But I want to last

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01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 3: point on this. I think the other the last frontier

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01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 3: for this, and you mentioned it briefly, if you can

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01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 3: find a way that let's just say it's, uh, you

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01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 3: know how many teams are in the NFL right now?

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01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 1: Eight? I think the rumor is that it might be

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01:58:58,720 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: nine or ten next year.

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit much in terms of this

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01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 3: just in general, if you say, like these two teams

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01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:09,800
Speaker 3: are running like a Shanahan West Coast, and these two

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01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 3: teams are running like a McDaniel's EP system, like you know,

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01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 3: old school McDaniels, and then these couple of teams are

2577
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 3: running like the Andy Reid version of the West Coast,

2578
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 3: like the West Coast Spread or the West Coast College

2579
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 3: and that way there when you start in the same

2580
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 3: thing on defense, like that way there when you started

2581
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 3: signing the players, like the Patriots can send their guys

2582
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 3: to like the EP team, and then you know, the

2583
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:36,000
Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins can send their guys to the West Coast team.

2584
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 3: And then you're running the system and running the scheme

2585
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 3: with the verbiage and all that stuff, like those players

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01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:41,200
Speaker 3: are that.

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01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Going to be running probably lined I don't know that

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01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 1: it would be that formalized, but like you're gonna have

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01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: if if the NFL. So there's two ways you go

2590
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 1: about this. I think if I remember correct, in the

2591
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 1: NFL Europe, there was like pre set these NFL teams

2592
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:57,120
Speaker 1: are linked with this europe team. Yeah, so maybe they

2593
01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:59,919
Speaker 1: do that. But if you're just choosing where you send players,

2594
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 1: NFL teams and NFL coaches are probably gonna have relationships

2595
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 1: with a lot of these coaches and they're gonna be

2596
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,879
Speaker 1: able to say, I want my going to this team

2597
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:13,200
Speaker 1: because I know that he's going to get like the

2598
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 1: coaching that I wanted to get. Yeah. Yeah, so they

2599
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 1: actually it's a good collection of coaches. I'm trying to

2600
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:21,280
Speaker 1: pull the list up. I think that we have this

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02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 1: concept NAIL.

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02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 3: We've been talking about this for like five years. We

2603
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 3: have this concept nailed down. So Roger Goodell UFL commissioner,

2604
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:33,960
Speaker 3: if you want us to come, he's the commissioner of

2605
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 3: the league.

2606
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Or is he just like the figurehead of he owns it.

2607
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:39,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's a little different. I feel like that kind

2608
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,080
Speaker 1: of makes him the commissioner.

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02:00:40,200 --> 02:00:43,280
Speaker 3: If you want two people that have thought more about

2610
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 3: this than anybody else. The two of us have this nails, like,

2611
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:48,560
Speaker 3: we know exactly what needs to be done, we know

2612
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 3: exactly how to get there. Maybe we need some suits,

2613
02:00:51,120 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 3: some lawyers to come in and help us, like figure

2614
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 3: out the injury settlements and all that good stuff. But

2615
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 3: we have this concept nailed so we're available. We will

2616
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 3: come in and we will tell you and we will

2617
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:03,400
Speaker 3: lay you, lay it out for you and tell you

2618
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 3: exactly how this can be done. And to a point

2619
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:11,520
Speaker 3: you made earlier, we are the sickos that on a

2620
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 3: random day in March when the Spring League is going

2621
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 3: on and a Patriot player that was assigned to a team,

2622
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 3: we will we will talk about it, we will write

2623
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 3: about it.

2624
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 6: We will.

2625
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:24,720
Speaker 1: Like in the draft in it. By the way, they

2626
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,360
Speaker 1: don't there is no commissioner. Oh best I can find. Okay, well,

2627
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 1: we're available. The Rock, we are available. I forget he

2628
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 1: has a business partner there. I forget her name, but

2629
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 1: it's it's two people, all right. So that does it

2630
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: for this week's show, we'll be back. President is a

2631
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 1: guy named Russ Brandon.

2632
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:45,720
Speaker 3: There, come on, Russ, come on, Dwayne the Rock Johnson,

2633
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 3: we are ready to go here next week, we'll be

2634
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 3: back on Wednesday. We'll be back to our normal time

2635
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:54,160
Speaker 3: at noon. No practice that day, so we will be

2636
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 3: back at noon and we will talk about Monday's practice.

2637
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:01,800
Speaker 3: We'll talk about David Andrews' retirements ceremony. We'll touch on

2638
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:04,160
Speaker 3: Mini Camp, which is not next week, but it's the

2639
02:02:04,200 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 3: following week, and then that's a wrap on the off

2640
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 3: season program, and then we go I'll go on vacation

2641
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,640
Speaker 3: for the summer until training camp. So that's a schedule

2642
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 3: for the next couple of weeks. We'll have you covered

2643
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 3: throughout all these OTAs in Mini camp right here on

2644
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:19,360
Speaker 3: Patriots Catch twenty two for Alex Barth.

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02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm Evan Lazarre. We'll see you guys next week. Thanks

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02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 1: for watching Brite.

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02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,160
Speaker 7: Hey, this is Alex. Thanks for tuning into the show.

2648
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:27,920
Speaker 7: If you really want to help us, make sure you

2649
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:30,760
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2650
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:33,520
Speaker 7: your podcasts. Also, make sure you follow us on the

2651
02:02:33,560 --> 02:02:36,120
Speaker 7: New England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and

2652
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:38,080
Speaker 7: everything else we do here at the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,