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Speaker 1: This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed Human.

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Speaker 2: I'm Buzzsnight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast,

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Speaker 2: the podcast where we take a look at music history.

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Speaker 2: We talk to musicians and insiders, and on this episode,

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Speaker 2: we take a look at music history for the week

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Speaker 2: of January the thirteenth, and I'm joined at the music

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Speaker 2: history desk by my dear friend, rock fan, media personality,

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Speaker 2: former programmer and radio and also just somebody who knows

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Speaker 2: the biz and the music inside out, the one and

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Speaker 2: only Harry Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Music History Desk.

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Speaker 3: Carry pleasure to be here to join.

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Speaker 4: You know, historically the beginning of January is when a

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Speaker 3: Things aren't going on.

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Speaker 4: But we've managed to find some things that have happened

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Speaker 4: this week, and I'm excited to talk to you about them.

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Speaker 4: Johnny Cash would be the first one, not necessarily a

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Speaker 4: rock guy, but but you know, a lot of rock

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Speaker 4: guys took influence from Johnny Cash. Bruce Springsteen will often

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Speaker 4: talk about that Johnny Cash influence. And obviously he changed

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Speaker 4: and spent a lot of time doing country and western

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Speaker 4: sounding music as he's you know, grown in his career.

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Speaker 4: But Johnny Cash is at Fulsome prison came out this

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Speaker 4: week in nineteen sixty eight, probably something that wouldn't happen today,

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Speaker 4: think about it. They took a room full of prisoners

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Speaker 4: and let Johnny Cash, a former felon by the way,

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Speaker 3: That was a big deal at that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got to talk to jelly Roll way

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Speaker 2: back about a lot of different things, including, you know,

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Speaker 2: his view of Johnny Cash, and I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 3: He was like, he.

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Speaker 2: Leaned right in in terms of what a badass Johnny

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Speaker 2: Cash was. And obviously Jelly Roll has served time as

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Speaker 2: well behind bars, so he had a great respect for

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Speaker 2: Johnny's authenticity. He even recommended to me, And in case

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Speaker 2: you haven't seen it, the documentary, the Tricky Dick Johnny

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Speaker 1: Have you ever checked that one out?

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Speaker 4: You told me after you did the interview with Jelly Roll,

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Speaker 4: you told me about it, and it's kind of buried

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Speaker 4: take a look at that.

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Speaker 1: It's really well done, so Johnny.

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Speaker 2: And then of course what Johnny would ultimately end up

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Speaker 2: that TV show that Johnny had was sort of this

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Speaker 2: amazing you know, combining country and sort of rock Americana together.

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Speaker 2: So an iconic period in music history when Johnny was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of my favorite pictures of Johnny is that

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Speaker 4: that picture where he's given the finger to the camera.

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Speaker 4: He looks really angry and he's just you know, to

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Speaker 4: me that it describes the times right that we were

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Speaker 4: in at that time. Think about where we were in

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Speaker 4: sixty eight that picture was taking it around. That may

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Speaker 4: probably earlier, but you know, still it's an iconic photo Johnny.

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Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy three, this is the time that Pete

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Speaker 4: Townshend organized the Rainbow Concert essentially to support Eric Clapton.

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Speaker 3: Now there were a whole bunch of people that played.

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Speaker 4: Obviously Townshend Clapton played, but Steve Winwood and a bunch

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Speaker 4: of others. We learned through the documentary through the Twelve

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Speaker 4: a time that Eric Clapton in seventy three was really

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Speaker 4: this was an interesting time for Clapton and to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we knew there were problems back then.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, there were problems with all of the musicians at

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Speaker 2: It felt like so many of them sadly, you know, struggled.

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Speaker 2: And then I remember when ultimately the Rainbow Concert was released.

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Speaker 2: I think it was received fairly tepidly because for acts

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Speaker 4: This was the this was the jam session, you know,

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Speaker 4: concert or some sort of celebration of a band.

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Speaker 2: It was not orchestrated and staged to the degree that

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Speaker 2: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He staged things and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an It's an interesting thing when you think

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Speaker 4: a production you know, standpoint, yes, listen, it's like watching

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Speaker 4: It's right now to see what technology and just kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the eye that some director puts to it.

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Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, but at any rate that happened Clapton was

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Speaker 1: And as they say, the rest history, the rest is history.

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Speaker 4: Here. Yeah, we'll get I'm sure we'll get to Layla

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Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 4: Seven, The Stones appeared on Ed Sullivan and Ed Sullivan

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Speaker 4: play Let's spend the Night together at Sullivan had them

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Speaker 4: change the lyrics to let's spend some time together, because

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Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty seven you couldn't talk about two people

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Speaker 4: that weren't married, I guess spending time under the sheets.

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Speaker 1: Band about it in some form. I would love to

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Speaker 1: see how that played out. Well, we know how it

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna ask, did did you ever see

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Speaker 4: anyone in any interviews with anyone in Jagger or Richards

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Speaker 4: have they have? Have you seen him talk speak to

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Speaker 4: that particular incident.

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Speaker 2: I have not, but you know, uh, there's so many

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Speaker 2: incidents with the Stones, That's why we love him.

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Speaker 4: You're right, And this was tame compared to anything else,

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Speaker 4: That's right when you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Sixty seven. This was the beginning, you know, of time

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. But yeah Ed Ed Sullivan churned

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Speaker 4: So let me give you. Let me give you two

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Speaker 4: other things to think about. Think about where we are

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Speaker 4: now with you know, with marijuana usage in our country

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Speaker 4: is the time January sixteenth, nineteen eighty, when Paul McCartney

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Speaker 4: that bag of weed he gets nine days in Tokyo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is funny thinking about it now, but that

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Speaker 2: caused a lot of misery for Paul at that time,

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Speaker 2: and certainly I'm sure cost him a few bucks along

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Speaker 2: the way for that delay and Yeah, it is kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and here's another one nineteen sixty seven and other

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Speaker 4: lyrics for which Beatles song bus.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that. No, I knew that A

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Speaker 1: day in the life. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had I when I saw it when I

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Speaker 4: That's a great story.

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Speaker 2: possible source for some inspiration and finding finding that in

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Speaker 4: Johnny Rotten in nineteen seventy eight was thrown out of

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Speaker 3: You know why they kicked him out?

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Speaker 1: Probably something about his hairdo No, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He said he wasn't weird enough.

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Speaker 2: definition of punk anyway?

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Speaker 1: Getting kicked out of a band?

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Speaker 4: How bad do you have to be to get kicked

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Speaker 4: out of a What kind of an ass do you

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Speaker 4: have to be to get kicked out of a punk band?

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Speaker 1: That's apparently, you know, bad enough.

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Speaker 4: And one pop culture or one historic event that happened

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Speaker 4: this week to wrap us up. January fifteenth, nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 4: was the date of the Great Molasses Flood in Boston.

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Speaker 4: Something I don't think I was taught growing up in

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Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty were injured. Pretty crazy story.

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Speaker 2: I got to think that that was not the back

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Speaker 2: bay of Boston that occurred. That had to be somewhere

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Speaker 4: You know, twenty one people died death by molasses. Kind

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Speaker 4: of slow and painful.

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Speaker 2: It's a tragedy for sure, and traffic was terrible at

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Speaker 2: that moment and to this day it's still hillatious in Boston.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: There you go, there's the week.

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Speaker 1: It's a rap.

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Speaker 2: Harry Jacobs, thanks for being on Taking a Walk for

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Speaker 2: this week in music and pop culture and molasses history

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