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Speaker 1: This week's Ozone podcast, and I'm pleased to be joined

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Speaker 1: this week by Matt Miller of ESPN, who, in the

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Speaker 1: last ten years has developed into one of the more

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Speaker 1: respected draft analysts around. First of all, Matt, I appreciate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, thank you for the kind words.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's here, it's the truth. You've earned your way

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Speaker 1: up and I'm very happy for you.

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Speaker 2: Overall.

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Speaker 1: The draft this year, I guess first question to a

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Speaker 1: draft analyst is how strong is it top to bottom?

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Speaker 1: One of the better ones? How would you assess it.

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Speaker 3: One of the better ones, especially at the top. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a unique year in which there are

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Speaker 3: ten or eleven really really good players, you know, guys

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Speaker 3: who would be top ten picks in almost any draft

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Speaker 3: of the last decade.

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Speaker 2: What's also interesting is those.

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Speaker 3: Players happen to come at your core foundational positions quarterback,

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, left tackle. There's a pass rusher in there,

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Speaker 3: there's a corner and there. So those are your you know,

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Speaker 3: first five positions you want to check off when building

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Speaker 3: a team, and that gives it a chance be an

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Speaker 3: all time draft all times work. Absolutely, I think what

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Speaker 3: is interesting on the other side of it is this

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Speaker 3: is the shallowest draft pool that I've covered. I started

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Speaker 3: doing this in twenty eleven. This is the shallowest pool

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Speaker 3: of players because of the twenty twenty COVID year, because

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Speaker 3: of a record low number of underclassmen during that time,

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Speaker 3: only fifty four declared for the draft because of transfer

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Speaker 3: portal and nil opportunity.

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Speaker 2: So it is a really.

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Speaker 3: Good draft at the top, where it does fall off

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Speaker 3: kind of sharply, and I think we'll see a lot

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Speaker 3: of Round five to six seven players where teams are

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Speaker 3: going to have huge variances in terms of their grades

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Speaker 3: on those.

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Speaker 1: Players, and teams trying to trade out not being able

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Speaker 1: to because nobody wants to get in. So you mentioned

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Speaker 1: nil before we get deep into the Jaguars, you kind

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Speaker 1: of mentioned how it's changed this year. Do you see

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Speaker 1: any way that the changing dynamic of college football is

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Speaker 1: going to change the draft or No.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it will change the framework of

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Speaker 3: the draft or the idea of the draft. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that we're ever going to see a players associations

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Speaker 3: say Hey, the draft is collusion. We're not doing this, Samemore.

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Speaker 3: It's too important to everyone. But I do think it

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Speaker 3: has changed again just how many players are entering the

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Speaker 3: draft pool every year and to where you know, if

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Speaker 3: you're a player who maybe in the past you'd had

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Speaker 3: a good college season, you are eligible to enter the draft.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you felt that pressure because of financial constraints, or

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Speaker 3: maybe you're just ready. You know, I can remember being

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Speaker 3: young and I was ready to have my own money,

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Speaker 3: you know, so you're ready to make that jump now

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Speaker 3: because of nil you can have those financial opportunities and

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Speaker 3: continue to improve as a draft prospect. Jayden Daniels from

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Speaker 3: LSU is a great example of that. Someone who would

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Speaker 3: is able to stay at LSU and improve his draft stock,

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Speaker 3: win a Heisman Trophy, and now is in the running

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Speaker 2: Got you.

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Speaker 1: Strongest positions in this year's draft? You you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: there is u, you know, a good balance at the

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Speaker 1: there positions that are stronger maybe uh to at that spot?

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely So wide receiver is really really talented, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like we could say that every year now.

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Speaker 3: It's the amount of talent coming out of college at

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Speaker 3: wide receivers is amazing. Corner as well, a really deep

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Speaker 3: when you get outside the first round, running back is

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Speaker 3: tears are falling this year, where early it's those you know, receiver, tackle, corner,

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Speaker 1: You mentioned, uh, wide receiver. We were talking to Bucky

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Speaker 2: In the draft? I think so I do.

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Speaker 3: And I think also when you look at how expensive

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of money that you're giving us someone

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Speaker 3: right out of the gate. So it wasn't that long

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Speaker 3: ago that there was a school of thought in the

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Speaker 3: the second round and being great. Deebo Samuel was another one.

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Speaker 3: So there was that thought process for a while. And

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Speaker 3: then you know the Jamar chases come around, and that

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Speaker 3: push up the board. But I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 3: wide receiver as opposed to Well's draft a receiver, and

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Speaker 3: we'll get a tackle in the second round where there's

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Speaker 1: And may be ready to contribute, if not be great. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I got you different positions. The Jaguars fans are thinking

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Speaker 1: about Ryan Nielsen coming to board. Corner has become a

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Speaker 1: hot topic issue. People think they're going to go there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the great thing about corner at seventeen

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Speaker 3: the draft. You know, Quinnon Mitchell from Toledo, who had

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Speaker 3: a great senior Bowl, could be right there in a

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Speaker 3: Strake Straw from Missouri, a player, he's my number fifteen

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Speaker 2: I can love his ability. He could still be on

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Speaker 3: So I think in round one a lot of people

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Speaker 2: You know, could of Kamari.

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Speaker 3: Lassiter from Georgia fall a little bit? Because we're going

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Speaker 3: to see quarterbacks offensive tackles and wide receiver dominate the

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Speaker 2: I mean, it could absolutely happen.

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Speaker 1: There's a school of thought that if you're gonna take

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Speaker 2: Hed better be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oregon kid Jackson, Powers Johnson, He's great.

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Speaker 3: I would hate to put that label on someone. You know,

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Speaker 3: he had one really really good year at Oregon. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's battling a little bit of an injury in the

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Speaker 3: pre draft process, so that that kind of makes our

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Speaker 3: to evaluate. At the Senior Bowl the day and a

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Speaker 2: I think for me, I just want to.

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Speaker 3: See a little more consistency before I would put that

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Speaker 3: an outlier. You know, three hundred and thirty four pounds,

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Speaker 3: really like. There's some things that are a little bit

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Speaker 1: At seventeen, it feels like this is the year and

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Speaker 1: you always hear every year whether it's X number of

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get a good player, maybe even defensive line there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think because we're gonna see quarterbacks get

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Speaker 3: that point, potentially five. We're gonna see four wide receivers

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Speaker 3: potentially off the board at that point, maybe five offensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: So that is gonna push down.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Byron Murphy, the d tackle from Texas, so I

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Speaker 3: if we see runs at those other positions we were

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Speaker 3: talking about. Corner, there's a very real world in which

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Speaker 3: the number two corner in this draft is still available

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Speaker 3: at seventeen. And then I do think, you know with

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Speaker 3: JPJ the center from Oregon, also very very real possibility

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Speaker 1: Give me a couple of third round corners and maybe

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Speaker 1: in third rounders at other spots because they may skip

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Speaker 1: the second round pick because really situation, the potential for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, corner, I think again, we'll see where the run happens,

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Speaker 3: sure at that position. Jarvis Brownlee Junior from Louisville as

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Speaker 3: a player I really really enjoy watching. He's physical with

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Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, but he's got the ability to

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Speaker 3: just a complete playmaker. Anytime you watch Michigan play, he's

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Speaker 3: coming up huge in their secondary for them.

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Speaker 2: So those would be the two corners. I'd be pretty

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Speaker 3: Offensive guard Dominic Puney from Kansas, who played left tackle

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Speaker 3: Really really good athleticism, His ability to get out and

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Speaker 2: The Kansas run game.

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Speaker 3: If you ever get bored and like watching run game,

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Speaker 3: Kansas run game is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Man, He's a huge part of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you might not, but if you do, it's

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Speaker 3: a long summer after the draft.

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Speaker 1: You obviously you study a lot of minutia and a

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Speaker 1: lot of players, but you also talk to people about

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Speaker 1: the draft constantly. Where do you see the draft, Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's in scouting players how it's going to come. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything to you that seems to be changing that

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Speaker 1: you're going to see some changes in the next couple

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, right now there's a really

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Speaker 3: big conversation happening about how much experience matters in the draft.

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Speaker 3: You know, it used to be they draft the traits,

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Speaker 3: you know, you draft that guy early, but especially at quarterback,

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Speaker 3: there's been so many misses because you're drafting players who

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Speaker 3: just weren't experienced. And it's sure they had big arms

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Speaker 3: and they were really fast, but then played a lot

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Speaker 3: of football. And so I think that is even carrying

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Speaker 3: over now to offensive line play, especially offensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: You want guys who have experience, who.

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Speaker 3: You've got a bigger window to see what they can do.

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Speaker 3: And it's why you know, players like bow Knicks and

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix Junior are being elevated this year because of

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Speaker 3: that experience factor.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: I think it makes my job easier obviously. If I

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Speaker 3: can watch a guy who's played like bo Nix has

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Speaker 3: started sixty one games, that helps me do my job,

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Speaker 3: right his dad unfortunately, So yeah, yeah, so I do

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Speaker 3: think that it helps us all to our job the

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Speaker 3: more information we have about a player. But you know,

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Speaker 3: if I were, especially a team that is a playoff

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Speaker 3: contender like Jacksonville, I want guys who can come in

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Speaker 3: and play right away. Sure, you want upside and you

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Speaker 3: have to draft those players that you're going to develop,

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Speaker 3: but I think, especially you know, those core foundational positions

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Speaker 3: experiences is really hard to come by.

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller, You're a busy man and knowledgeable man. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you sharing it with the Jaguars of course listeners. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fantastic stuff. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,