1 00:00:15,130 --> 00:00:22,410 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Customers come to expect fast delivery of anything on 2 00:00:22,490 --> 00:00:25,530 Speaker 1: Earth from Amazon, and our jobs continue to make that happen. 3 00:00:27,210 --> 00:00:29,730 Speaker 1: Other big retailers are also spending a lot to keep 4 00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:33,330 Speaker 1: up with the fast shipping expectations Amazon has created in 5 00:00:33,370 --> 00:00:37,410 Speaker 1: a world gone haywire. Sometimes art is the only thing 6 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:40,050 Speaker 1: that can make sense of it all. Let me put 7 00:00:40,090 --> 00:00:43,850 Speaker 1: it this way. We want what we want, and we 8 00:00:43,970 --> 00:00:47,130 Speaker 1: want it when we want it, and usually we want 9 00:00:47,170 --> 00:00:51,530 Speaker 1: it now. That's been Fountain, the award winning author of 10 00:00:51,610 --> 00:00:56,370 Speaker 1: Billy Flynn's Long Halftime Walk and most recently, Beautiful Country 11 00:00:56,490 --> 00:01:01,610 Speaker 1: Burn Again, a reported narrative of the twenty sixteen presidential election. 12 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,770 Speaker 1: And this is the Chronicles of Now, where we ask 13 00:01:05,850 --> 00:01:08,930 Speaker 1: writers to dream up short stories inspired by the news. 14 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:13,290 Speaker 1: I'm Ashley Forward. People's consumer behavior is going through a 15 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:16,410 Speaker 1: lot of changes. While some head to the stores to 16 00:01:16,530 --> 00:01:20,210 Speaker 1: stock up on groceries and household items, others preferred to 17 00:01:20,250 --> 00:01:23,290 Speaker 1: stay in the safety of their homes. Amazon seeing a 18 00:01:23,330 --> 00:01:26,490 Speaker 1: surge in demand as many people turn to online ordering 19 00:01:26,530 --> 00:01:31,050 Speaker 1: to get supplies. During this outbreak in the COVID nineteen era, 20 00:01:31,370 --> 00:01:36,930 Speaker 1: online shopping has accelerated, and that means convoys of vans 21 00:01:37,250 --> 00:01:41,810 Speaker 1: fed x ups usps have been sneaking through our neighborhoods, 22 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:45,570 Speaker 1: leaving packages to pile up on our doorsteps, mirroring our 23 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:51,050 Speaker 1: mounting fears over what's coming next, what the country, our lives, 24 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:54,010 Speaker 1: our families might look like in the years to come, 25 00:01:54,770 --> 00:01:59,730 Speaker 1: what sacrifices will be asked to make for would be 26 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:02,770 Speaker 1: autocrats around the world. Any chance to secure evermore iron 27 00:02:02,810 --> 00:02:05,170 Speaker 1: fisted control of their country is a good thing, and 28 00:02:05,290 --> 00:02:10,010 Speaker 1: the coronavirus pandemic is quite an opportunity. We feel like 29 00:02:10,090 --> 00:02:14,450 Speaker 1: we have no control over these things. Corporate decisions, government decisions, 30 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:18,090 Speaker 1: these things that affect us on the local level and 31 00:02:18,290 --> 00:02:22,850 Speaker 1: individual level, They are decided far away about powerful people 32 00:02:23,410 --> 00:02:27,770 Speaker 1: who do not answer to us. And so this moment 33 00:02:27,810 --> 00:02:32,130 Speaker 1: of crisis and all those delivery vans gave Bim Fountain 34 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:45,490 Speaker 1: an idea for this week's story. There were as many 35 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:53,730 Speaker 1: trucks as ever, but now they took things away FedEx 36 00:02:54,410 --> 00:03:00,090 Speaker 1: Amazon ups. They all did their part, but more often 37 00:03:00,090 --> 00:03:02,570 Speaker 1: it was the boxy white Mercedes vans with the high 38 00:03:02,610 --> 00:03:04,930 Speaker 1: roofs that had started showing up in the latter years 39 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:09,770 Speaker 1: of the boom. Plain white, no company name, no snappy 40 00:03:09,810 --> 00:03:13,250 Speaker 1: logo on the side, which in our hyperbranded times might 41 00:03:13,290 --> 00:03:16,650 Speaker 1: have briefly struck us as odd, and then they blended 42 00:03:16,690 --> 00:03:21,210 Speaker 1: into the landscape of everything else. We didn't know how 43 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:28,730 Speaker 1: good we had it, did we? It was so easy, 44 00:03:29,330 --> 00:03:32,770 Speaker 1: and how quickly we became used to it. The couple 45 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:35,890 Speaker 1: of keystrokes that produced the modern miracle of that package 46 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:39,410 Speaker 1: on our doorstep in three to five days been two 47 00:03:40,130 --> 00:03:42,490 Speaker 1: the next day if we were willing to pay for it. 48 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:49,170 Speaker 1: And ultimately, how did they do it? Same day packages packages, 49 00:03:49,690 --> 00:03:53,370 Speaker 1: thousands and millions of packages pouring out from what were 50 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:57,890 Speaker 1: once called warehouses but now went by the name Fulfillment Center, 51 00:03:58,330 --> 00:04:01,570 Speaker 1: a neat sleight of hand that appealed to our higher nature. 52 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:07,770 Speaker 1: Supply chain magic was about so much more than crass materialism, 53 00:04:07,770 --> 00:04:12,850 Speaker 1: and honestly, that's often how we felt fulfilled. In a 54 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:18,050 Speaker 1: not negligible way. I made the NonStop sales job of 55 00:04:18,090 --> 00:04:21,610 Speaker 1: modern life. We were constantly being admonished not to put 56 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:25,170 Speaker 1: our faith in material things, and we tried, most of us, 57 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:32,330 Speaker 1: and mostly we succeeded. We were not shallow people. The 58 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:37,290 Speaker 1: things in our packages weren't just well things, They were 59 00:04:38,250 --> 00:04:47,250 Speaker 1: how to put this content, structure, emotion, part of the 60 00:04:47,290 --> 00:05:06,570 Speaker 1: necessary human fabric of our lives. Emerging economic crisis in America. 61 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:10,090 Speaker 1: The legalities were never made entirely clear to us, but 62 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:15,330 Speaker 1: that was true of many things. Life changed so fast, 63 00:05:15,650 --> 00:05:19,650 Speaker 1: so drastically, that not everything about special measures could be 64 00:05:19,690 --> 00:05:24,850 Speaker 1: adequately explained in anyway. We were too frazzled and generally 65 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:31,890 Speaker 1: panicky to process more than the general drift recovery it 66 00:05:31,970 --> 00:05:37,290 Speaker 1: was called, or recovery operations. The country was in crisis, 67 00:05:37,770 --> 00:05:42,570 Speaker 1: the economy imperiled, historic losses. Doubt somehow the country and 68 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:48,210 Speaker 1: the economy had become one and the same. The whole 69 00:05:48,210 --> 00:05:56,090 Speaker 1: thing was really quite astonishing. The white van would pull 70 00:05:56,170 --> 00:05:58,850 Speaker 1: up in front of our house at the most inconvenient time, 71 00:05:59,370 --> 00:06:01,610 Speaker 1: early morning when we were hustling to get the kids 72 00:06:01,650 --> 00:06:04,610 Speaker 1: off to school, or evening when we were cooking dinner 73 00:06:04,690 --> 00:06:07,290 Speaker 1: or checking homework, where it's settled in at the kitchen 74 00:06:07,330 --> 00:06:10,410 Speaker 1: table to grind our teeth over the ever rising stack 75 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:13,490 Speaker 1: of bills. And there they'd be at the front door, 76 00:06:14,650 --> 00:06:18,970 Speaker 1: two burly recovery techs in their dark uniforms, pants and 77 00:06:19,050 --> 00:06:22,290 Speaker 1: jackets if it was winter, shorts and short sleeved shirts 78 00:06:22,290 --> 00:06:25,690 Speaker 1: in summer, and always a third tech standing out by 79 00:06:25,690 --> 00:06:33,170 Speaker 1: the van, watching unfailingly polite. They were soft spoken, sympathetic, 80 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:38,050 Speaker 1: and huge. The entire cadre seemingly recruited from the ranks 81 00:06:38,050 --> 00:06:42,690 Speaker 1: of former college and professional football players. They had clipboards, 82 00:06:42,930 --> 00:06:46,010 Speaker 1: reams of fine print paperwork, and boy did they know 83 00:06:46,090 --> 00:06:50,890 Speaker 1: their business. It was always quite specific what they'd come for, 84 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:57,490 Speaker 1: always one particular thing, a lamp, the gas grill, electronics, cookware. 85 00:06:57,730 --> 00:07:02,650 Speaker 1: And this was the truly unnerving part. They knew exactly 86 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:10,330 Speaker 1: where it was. The cycle logical effect of that should 87 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:15,370 Speaker 1: not be underestimated. A giant standing in your doorway describing 88 00:07:15,410 --> 00:07:18,290 Speaker 1: the color, make and model of an item in your house, 89 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:21,810 Speaker 1: and when you'd bought it from whom and for how much, 90 00:07:22,090 --> 00:07:26,930 Speaker 1: and its precise location. Shock and awe call it, And 91 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:29,850 Speaker 1: naturally we'd be standing there wondering what else they knew 92 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:33,290 Speaker 1: about us. Meanwhile, they'd gotten past the door without us 93 00:07:33,290 --> 00:07:39,370 Speaker 1: really knowing. How well they'd been trained. Obviously, posture, demeanor, 94 00:07:39,570 --> 00:07:42,570 Speaker 1: tone of voice. They all worked a kind of syncope 95 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:46,090 Speaker 1: or hypnosis on us. No doubt, the great advances in 96 00:07:46,170 --> 00:07:48,930 Speaker 1: data collection and behavioral science that had been used so 97 00:07:49,050 --> 00:07:52,210 Speaker 1: deftly to get us to buy were now being deployed 98 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:56,410 Speaker 1: for the opposite to get us to relinquish, not covet 99 00:07:57,050 --> 00:08:05,650 Speaker 1: to want less except less. We quickly learned that calling 100 00:08:05,690 --> 00:08:08,690 Speaker 1: the cops was futile. They wouldn't come except to detain 101 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:13,210 Speaker 1: us as we'd resisted, become hysterical or even physical. There 102 00:08:13,210 --> 00:08:16,330 Speaker 1: were rumors of occasional shootouts, but look, most of us 103 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:18,370 Speaker 1: just wanted to get on with our normal lives as 104 00:08:18,450 --> 00:08:21,930 Speaker 1: much as possible. Across the country, already struggling and out 105 00:08:21,930 --> 00:08:25,970 Speaker 1: of the pain was everywhere those who could least afford it, 106 00:08:26,690 --> 00:08:31,850 Speaker 1: real hardship, real suffering. The weeks and months ahead. It 107 00:08:32,010 --> 00:08:35,130 Speaker 1: was there every night on the news, bendered by the government. 108 00:08:37,890 --> 00:08:41,490 Speaker 1: So was it really so terrible living without those eight 109 00:08:41,570 --> 00:08:46,250 Speaker 1: hundred threadcount sheets that lovely Danish modern chest of drawers. 110 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:50,610 Speaker 1: A few activists kicked up a fuss about consumer rights, 111 00:08:50,650 --> 00:08:53,770 Speaker 1: but rights, as it turned out, existed only in politics. 112 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:57,770 Speaker 1: As consumers, we were in the realm of commerce and markets, 113 00:08:57,930 --> 00:09:01,090 Speaker 1: and markets, we were told, had their own immutable laws. 114 00:09:03,050 --> 00:09:06,690 Speaker 1: At night, lying in bed, they hardly ever took beds, 115 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:09,810 Speaker 1: we reflected that we'd done everything that country had asked 116 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:14,570 Speaker 1: of us, but it had not been enough. We worked, 117 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:18,970 Speaker 1: paid our taxes, obeyed the laws, raised and educated our 118 00:09:19,010 --> 00:09:21,610 Speaker 1: children the best we knew how, and always paid at 119 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:26,370 Speaker 1: least the minimum on our credit cards. All this, and 120 00:09:26,530 --> 00:09:32,610 Speaker 1: still it had not been enough. Sacrifice and self discipline 121 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:35,690 Speaker 1: were now the order of the day. For how long 122 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:42,930 Speaker 1: no one knew we did miss our things. Of course, 123 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:47,530 Speaker 1: some we genuinely grieved for, those few precious things that 124 00:09:47,570 --> 00:09:52,170 Speaker 1: were keyed to our souls, our truest selves. Others we 125 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:55,650 Speaker 1: missed for a while, and maybe we'd rage silently at 126 00:09:55,650 --> 00:09:58,530 Speaker 1: the invasion of our homes and the humiliating injustice of 127 00:09:58,570 --> 00:10:03,530 Speaker 1: it all. But in time the memories faded and we 128 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:09,650 Speaker 1: forgot them. These minor things, though even these could surface 129 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:13,770 Speaker 1: in our minds at random moments, a favorite plaid sweater 130 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:18,410 Speaker 1: they'd taken away, a classic cocktail set, and we'd feel 131 00:10:18,410 --> 00:10:22,370 Speaker 1: a pang, as if these things were parts of ourselves 132 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:27,530 Speaker 1: we'd lost, not the main part. Surely weren't we bigger 133 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:48,250 Speaker 1: than that? And yet the loss that was Rules of 134 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:54,530 Speaker 1: Special Measures by Ben Fountain. The narrator was Eduardo Ballerini. Ben. 135 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:58,490 Speaker 1: One of the things that stood out to me the 136 00:10:58,890 --> 00:11:05,130 Speaker 1: conspicuously unbranded white van. It's one of those things that's 137 00:11:05,170 --> 00:11:09,170 Speaker 1: creepy because it's too clean, like a Stepford wife. I 138 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:12,450 Speaker 1: like that a lot. The Stepford van, you know, come 139 00:11:12,490 --> 00:11:14,330 Speaker 1: to think of it, I've never seen a dirty one, 140 00:11:14,650 --> 00:11:19,050 Speaker 1: and purposely designed not to draw attention to themselves. It's like, oh, 141 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:22,130 Speaker 1: don't mind us. We don't even have a flashy logo 142 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:26,290 Speaker 1: to draw attention to ourselves. It's so terrifying you don't 143 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:28,450 Speaker 1: ask about the white van and just hope the white 144 00:11:28,530 --> 00:11:31,770 Speaker 1: van's not coming for your things. So it's almost like 145 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:35,490 Speaker 1: Russian roulette. Is the van going to stop at my house? 146 00:11:36,050 --> 00:11:38,170 Speaker 1: And is it going to take away? Or is it 147 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:40,890 Speaker 1: going to deliver? And by the way, that's a great 148 00:11:40,930 --> 00:11:44,690 Speaker 1: way to divide people. If it was an entire block 149 00:11:45,130 --> 00:11:49,010 Speaker 1: or an entire city, people might get the notion that, hey, 150 00:11:49,050 --> 00:11:52,970 Speaker 1: we can stand together and put up some meaningful resistance. 151 00:11:53,410 --> 00:11:56,850 Speaker 1: But it's when it's just piecemeal that's when we're weak. 152 00:11:57,890 --> 00:12:00,290 Speaker 1: The spookiest part of the story is that they know 153 00:12:00,570 --> 00:12:04,810 Speaker 1: precisely where our stuff is. Like we're talking to each 154 00:12:04,810 --> 00:12:08,610 Speaker 1: other on zoom right now, and if someone was eavesdropping 155 00:12:08,810 --> 00:12:12,850 Speaker 1: on this stream, they'll see precisely where some of my 156 00:12:12,930 --> 00:12:16,690 Speaker 1: stuff is. Are we just stupid to let companies know 157 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:20,970 Speaker 1: so much about us? Yes, we've given too much of 158 00:12:21,010 --> 00:12:26,410 Speaker 1: ourselves away in the pursuit of convenience and pleasure and 159 00:12:27,170 --> 00:12:32,810 Speaker 1: instant gratification. I grew up when Sears Roebuck was the 160 00:12:32,850 --> 00:12:35,290 Speaker 1: only place you sent away to get stuff and it 161 00:12:35,370 --> 00:12:39,210 Speaker 1: took six to eight weeks to arrive at your house. 162 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:43,730 Speaker 1: And talk about delayed gratification. It just seems to me, 163 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:48,130 Speaker 1: in my little moral universe, all this convenience will have 164 00:12:48,210 --> 00:12:52,770 Speaker 1: to be paid for at some point. The narrator of 165 00:12:52,810 --> 00:12:56,970 Speaker 1: the story is making a concerted effort to just live 166 00:12:57,050 --> 00:13:00,250 Speaker 1: their life, even though strange people are showing up carting 167 00:13:00,290 --> 00:13:03,970 Speaker 1: away their things. They're making accommodations to the new normal, 168 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:07,410 Speaker 1: which is a phrase we are hearing a lot these days. 169 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:11,170 Speaker 1: I feel like every day someone's talking about the new normal. 170 00:13:11,930 --> 00:13:16,970 Speaker 1: What is your story telling us about the human propensity 171 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:23,330 Speaker 1: for adaptation. Well, in this particular story, the adaptation is, Oh, 172 00:13:23,530 --> 00:13:26,130 Speaker 1: just don't bother me too much, don't take too much 173 00:13:26,170 --> 00:13:28,810 Speaker 1: from me, and I won't make a fuss. And I 174 00:13:28,890 --> 00:13:31,850 Speaker 1: know so many people have it worse than me, you know, 175 00:13:31,970 --> 00:13:34,330 Speaker 1: just don't be too hard on me, and I'll go 176 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:38,490 Speaker 1: along peacefully. And I think American society in the last 177 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:43,850 Speaker 1: forty years has become a very obedience oriented society, and 178 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:48,330 Speaker 1: it punishes you financially and in all other kinds of 179 00:13:48,370 --> 00:13:51,770 Speaker 1: ways if you don't go along. I have to say, 180 00:13:51,810 --> 00:13:54,530 Speaker 1: one of the things that's really heartened me in the 181 00:13:54,610 --> 00:13:58,250 Speaker 1: course of the last six weeks is the fact that 182 00:13:58,370 --> 00:14:02,770 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't going along. They're kicking up 183 00:14:02,770 --> 00:14:07,890 Speaker 1: a fuss about, you know, most notably George Floyd's murder, 184 00:14:08,290 --> 00:14:12,210 Speaker 1: and that is, in a appropriate fuss, an appropriate example 185 00:14:12,410 --> 00:14:16,090 Speaker 1: of disobedience, and I think we need more of that 186 00:14:16,210 --> 00:14:19,850 Speaker 1: spirit in our society. I'm inclined to agree with you. 187 00:14:20,450 --> 00:14:24,610 Speaker 1: One line that really struck me is somehow the country 188 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:28,650 Speaker 1: and the economy had become one and the same. Do 189 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:32,330 Speaker 1: you think that that's where we are or closer and 190 00:14:32,370 --> 00:14:35,170 Speaker 1: closer to where we are in the United States? Oh, 191 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:39,370 Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely where we are. Yes, we have government, 192 00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:42,850 Speaker 1: and we have neighbors who we care for, and there's 193 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:46,410 Speaker 1: love and there's altruism and all that, but ultimately it's 194 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:52,050 Speaker 1: really all about economics. You saw this demonstrated when the 195 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:56,130 Speaker 1: closing started to happen, and people like my lieutenant governor 196 00:14:56,210 --> 00:15:01,090 Speaker 1: here in Texas was basically willing to sacrifice human lives 197 00:15:01,570 --> 00:15:04,850 Speaker 1: on the altar of the economy. You know, we aren't 198 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:07,610 Speaker 1: so much a country anymore in the minds of a 199 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:11,890 Speaker 1: critical mass of our city. We're an economy that happens 200 00:15:11,930 --> 00:15:15,290 Speaker 1: to have a country attached, and we are taxpayers and 201 00:15:15,370 --> 00:15:19,930 Speaker 1: consumers as opposed to citizens and neighbors. And so there's 202 00:15:19,930 --> 00:15:24,450 Speaker 1: been a paradigm shift in our collective thinking, and I 203 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:27,530 Speaker 1: think it's very dangerous. Do you think we can go back? Yes, 204 00:15:28,490 --> 00:15:32,170 Speaker 1: I do think we can go back. I think shifting 205 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:36,970 Speaker 1: from that paradigm to a more humane and open minded 206 00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:42,770 Speaker 1: and generous spirited paradigm it will probably take a massive 207 00:15:42,890 --> 00:15:46,170 Speaker 1: shock to the collective system. Is this not enough? I 208 00:15:46,210 --> 00:15:48,530 Speaker 1: thought two thousand and eight was going to be it, 209 00:15:49,010 --> 00:15:52,290 Speaker 1: But it certainly seems like we have the ingredients of 210 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:56,530 Speaker 1: a perfect storm for an existential crisis. That's probably what 211 00:15:56,690 --> 00:16:01,250 Speaker 1: it would take for us to shake up our thinking. Ben, 212 00:16:01,490 --> 00:16:04,410 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time here today. I 213 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:09,610 Speaker 1: really really enjoyed this conversation and I've loved your story you, Ashley, 214 00:16:09,650 --> 00:16:13,370 Speaker 1: has been a pleasure. You can read my full interview 215 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:16,130 Speaker 1: with Ben Fountain on our website and Chronicles dot f 216 00:16:16,890 --> 00:16:19,890 Speaker 1: where you can also read Rules of Special Measures and 217 00:16:20,050 --> 00:16:24,210 Speaker 1: other short fiction torn from today's headlines. The sound designer 218 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:28,250 Speaker 1: and composer is Art Warshop, The producer is Curtis Box. 219 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:33,130 Speaker 1: The associate producer is Emily Rostick. Tyler Cabott is the 220 00:16:33,170 --> 00:16:38,050 Speaker 1: executive producer and founder of Chronicles of Now for Pushkin Industries. 221 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:42,610 Speaker 1: Special thanks to Leeta Mulaud and Jacob Weisberg for the 222 00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:45,850 Speaker 1: Chronicles of Now podcast. I'm Ashley Ford. Thank you so 223 00:16:45,930 --> 00:16:55,210 Speaker 1: much for listening. Yeah, I'm I almost wonder if traffic's being, 224 00:16:55,290 --> 00:17:03,330 Speaker 1: for some reason rerouted onto my street because it's a lot. Oh, 225 00:17:05,050 --> 00:17:06,250 Speaker 1: it's a big white van.