Speaker 1: Hey, what up. It's Gottlieb. This is All Ball. Got
Speaker 1: a special one for you to say, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for downloading. And the great thing about basketball is there's
Speaker 1: so many different parts of it that are like connective tissue.
Speaker 1: This All Ball was recorded on a Saturday night when
Speaker 1: we didn't have games. It's not yet the high school
Speaker 1: season and it's not yet the college season, so we
Speaker 1: had some time to hang out and just chop it
Speaker 1: up with a couple of people closest to my heart.
Speaker 1: My son Hayes Gottlieb, who's an eighth grader. My nephew,
Speaker 1: Gage Gottlieb, who's a junior in high school a La
Speaker 1: Costa Canyon in San Diego. Actually, yes, Candido and a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, and Hayes, and frankly jere and
Speaker 1: Gage as well, JEREMYA Paulino who plays for Westcliff University.
Speaker 1: It's a NAIA school in Irvine, California. So you have
Speaker 1: I'm the old man, Hayes the young guy, and everybody
Speaker 1: and the other two are kind of in the middle
Speaker 1: of the high school in college basketball. All four of
Speaker 1: us love basketball in very very different ways. I would
Speaker 1: say that Jeremiah wants to be a pro trainer. It's
Speaker 1: his passion. Gauge wants to be a player at a
Speaker 1: higher level than Jeremiah is currently playing at. And he
Speaker 1: is an exceptionally hard worker. And then Hayes is kind
Speaker 1: of trying to figure it out. Loves ball, loves playing,
Speaker 1: likes working at it, kind of a late bloomer in
Speaker 1: terms of his growth, and so some of that can
Speaker 1: become a frustration. And I just thought it'd be a
Speaker 1: cool conversation to have and we can check back in
Speaker 1: once we get into the season. Per se right, high
Speaker 1: school season kicks off very soon in terms of practice
Speaker 1: in southern California. College seasons get underway in the month
Speaker 1: of November for ANIA as well as NCAA, and of
Speaker 1: course my job cranking up with college basketball and the
Speaker 1: NBA has already kicked off. So we had got a
Speaker 1: winding conversation. Some of it's about college, about basketball, some
Speaker 1: of it's about basketball in general, some of it's about life.
Speaker 1: And I thought you did appreciate it.
Speaker 2: This is all ball.
Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Hayes, Gage and Jeremiah. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: our first edition Boys' Night Saturday Night. You're in the
Speaker 1: All Ball Pod. Okay. Joining me on this podcast is
Speaker 1: fourteen year old hair model. He loves rolling, fighting roller coasters,
Speaker 1: even though he's not big enough to ride most of them.
Speaker 3: I literally can ride every road.
Speaker 1: You talk, okay. Also joining us is another hair model
Speaker 1: from what is it LaCosta Canyon High School. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's going the route of like, uh yeah, you're
Speaker 1: kind of like Michael Beasley, right, different school every year
Speaker 1: sort of deal, right, I mean you think about it,
Speaker 1: if you if you go postgrad, he'll do five and
Speaker 1: five years potentially, so we'll see if you last. LaCosta King,
Speaker 1: the Great Gauge Gottliet joins me.
Speaker 2: M m.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then red shirt freshman at Westcliffe University, which
Speaker 1: we're told is a real school and it has real
Speaker 1: classes and real degrees, but it just doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: a real school. But he is a real point guard.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 3: He's what a true point guard?
Speaker 1: That's my boy, He's a true point guard. Jeremiah Paulino.
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Paulino. Okay, boys, so here's what we're gonna do. Okay,
Speaker 1: each of you, if you want to give a take
Speaker 1: or have a or you want to have a topic
Speaker 1: you want to get to, you get one basketball and
Speaker 1: one non basketball. Okay, one basketball and one non basketball.
Speaker 1: And you got to keep in mind if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this podkay, Heyes is fourteen, Gauge is seventeen, Jeremiah
Speaker 1: is twenty one, about to be twenty two. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of shit that they don't know, but they
Speaker 1: think they know everything, as most people do when they're fourteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty two.
Speaker 3: No, we don't.
Speaker 1: Well, Gage knows a lot, but it's all anything he's
Speaker 1: read or seen your members. But you know, he's only
Speaker 1: been on this earth for seventeen years, so there's just
Speaker 1: things you don't know. Okay, let's start with Jeremiah because
Speaker 1: he's been asking me to do this pod since I
Speaker 1: first met him. Right, and as you can attest Hayes
Speaker 1: when I when I asked Jeremiah, whatever, whatever topic you want,
Speaker 1: and he always said, Hayes, what he said, Basketball, that's
Speaker 1: a cool topic.
Speaker 2: We're not coming on here just to roast me.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's a deep, deep topic. Okay, So what
Speaker 1: is the topic you would like to get to, Jeremiah?
Speaker 2: What what are some things that make a great point guard.
Speaker 1: To kissing up, kissing up to the host, kissing up
Speaker 1: to the hostel kissing up to the host, will do?
Speaker 1: Is that really what you want to talk about? That's
Speaker 1: really a topic.
Speaker 3: Let him let what wants to talk about.
Speaker 1: I under stand, but I do think there's a portion
Speaker 1: of that where he's like trying to play into my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: That was a point guard, right, and so like just.
Speaker 2: You bro, like you said, you said that.
Speaker 4: Guys, you know, our age don't know everything, but we
Speaker 4: think we know everything.
Speaker 2: So why not learn from the guys.
Speaker 1: But the idea this is a free flowing Okay, So
Speaker 1: how about this? Who's the for you? Who's your favorite
Speaker 1: point guard playing basketball?
Speaker 2: Favorite point guard right now? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I would say either Kyrie or I really been liking
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray as well.
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. Okay, I'll come back to you, Hayes, who
Speaker 1: is your favorite point guard playing basketball right now?
Speaker 3: I like Shay I think she is a good point guard.
Speaker 1: But Chigils Alexander also also.
Speaker 3: One more I like to say. Jaylen Broun says, you.
Speaker 1: Know, okay, j okay, Gage Gottlig.
Speaker 5: I also like Jylen Brussel a lot. Also Darius Darland.
Speaker 5: I like him a lot too.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go back to you, JP. What about what
Speaker 1: about Kyrie do you like best? In terms of him
Speaker 1: as a pointer.
Speaker 4: It's more on the offensive side than his creative ability,
Speaker 4: just him being able to make plays with the ball
Speaker 4: in his hands, and then just him being older, starting
Speaker 4: to like hit the end of his career, kind of
Speaker 4: end of his prime where he's able to kind of
Speaker 4: like make plays and start being more of like a
Speaker 4: playmaking before he gets to his like.
Speaker 2: Bag, If that makes sense. I think he's thirty thirty something, you.
Speaker 1: Guys, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get thirty two.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think the answer thirty one, thirty one, thirty one, thirty.
Speaker 1: One final answer, yes, and then thirty one years old.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 1: He's thirty one, but he's what i'd call an old
Speaker 1: thirty one right.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: He only played one year in college.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: He's had injuries literally every year. Right he had he
Speaker 1: broke the tow in college. He's I mean, he's basically
Speaker 1: been a mashing it. The knee injury was a bad
Speaker 1: one because that was in the NBA finals his first
Speaker 1: year with Lebron and he had that mesh put in,
Speaker 1: and then he had a screw in that mesh that
Speaker 1: ended up getting infected. And so that's why he missed
Speaker 1: the postseason that first year with the Celtics when they
Speaker 1: went to the Conference finals without him, because he had
Speaker 1: to take that screw taken out hat that meshine taken
Speaker 1: out anyway, So he's kind of an old thirty one
Speaker 1: because he's had a lot of injuries. But okay, and
Speaker 1: then who is the other one? You had Kyrie and and.
Speaker 4: Then Jamal Murray. I was going to get into that
Speaker 4: as well, like just like on the other side of
Speaker 4: the ball, like him being able to just be in
Speaker 4: the right positions on defense, like being able to just
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just like the Nuggets defense last year.
Speaker 1: I don't think was particularly good defensive player.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you, he's just.
Speaker 2: I Q wise though, like just being able to understand
Speaker 2: where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: And I like him as I like him, but I
Speaker 1: would I would just say he's not a great defense.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, if you remember the NBA Finals, the
Speaker 1: little or or even the against the Lakers, the little
Speaker 1: success the Lakers had it was attacking Jamal Murray a
Speaker 1: lot like they attacked Steph Curry, right, kind of same thing.
Speaker 1: Put him on an island. He's you said, Jalen Brunson
Speaker 1: and Shaye, what is about Shay's game that you like?
Speaker 3: Well, actually, you can start with whoever you want, all right.
Speaker 6: So I like Jalen Brunson a lot because I feel
Speaker 6: like he's like he scores a lot differently than other
Speaker 6: guards his size, and I think that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of cool.
Speaker 6: He's actually really good off the backing down and he's
Speaker 6: a great one D one player. He knows how to
Speaker 6: pass the ball when he needs to m And I
Speaker 6: just feel like I get to study a lot from
Speaker 6: him when I watch his clips because he's teaching me
Speaker 6: things that I don't see in a lot of other
Speaker 6: point guards.
Speaker 1: Okay, Gage Gottlieb, you like, what do you like about Brunson? Oh,
Speaker 1: kind of the same things, Hey said.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's cool that like he's like five
Speaker 5: or eleven six foot wi shoes on operating in the
Speaker 5: post against like seven footers and cooking hot.
Speaker 1: So okay, So you asked JP about all these point guards,
Speaker 1: and the one thing you have to you have to
Speaker 1: respect is that the game has evolved, right like the
Speaker 1: way the point guard position was in the eighties and seventies,
Speaker 1: when you were just a facilitator, you did have to
Speaker 1: be a score. I mean, look, Isaiah Thomas was a
Speaker 1: great scorer. Jason Kidd was a decent scorer, but a
Speaker 1: great passer. Magic Johnson could score, but also as an
Speaker 1: incredible passer. It's much more of a score first position.
Speaker 1: You'll be a score every position, and especially if you're
Speaker 1: a smaller point guard, you'll be able to shoot at least,
Speaker 1: but then score some because you know they're going to
Speaker 1: attack you on the defensive end. If we're breaking down
Speaker 1: all of these guys, Jalen Brunson would be the only
Speaker 1: guy I would say, like, that guy is a real
Speaker 1: point guard. And maybe this is unfair to him, but
Speaker 1: were unfair to the others. But to be considered like
Speaker 1: a whatever you consider a true point guard. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's about scoring averages as much as can you
Speaker 1: function well on and off the ball. If you're a
Speaker 1: function well off the ball, then you're not really a pointer.
Speaker 1: Sometimes by necessity you have to play out the ball.
Speaker 1: I'd say, Jalen Brunson, you got to be able to
Speaker 1: run a team, get a team into your stuff. And
Speaker 1: if you look at what how they're using Shade this year,
Speaker 1: they're going to use him off the ball like he had.
Speaker 1: He had a really good quote I think this week
Speaker 1: where he's like, if Michael Jordan can play off the ball,
Speaker 1: I can play out the ball. Ye, Kyrie looks like
Speaker 1: a point guard, brings the ball up like a point
Speaker 1: guard can if he wants to pass like a point guard.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, that's a tough sale for me.
Speaker 1: And I love his I mean, I love his talent.
Speaker 1: He may be the most talented guy to ever play
Speaker 1: the position. It's talent, Yeah, I mean he I had
Speaker 1: a conversation once when he was in the Celtics with
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens and Brad was like, I was like, Brad,
Speaker 1: how come he doesn't pass? He's like he can pass.
Speaker 1: He's a great passor he's the best passer I've ever had.
Speaker 5: He just.
Speaker 1: He likes to score. He's always kind of been a
Speaker 1: scoring guard. So I mean, look, look, I think most
Speaker 1: people would consider it. I rea point per se, but
Speaker 1: on that team, lucas their point guard. On the Lakers,
Speaker 1: the Bronze their point guard you know, I mean all
Speaker 1: these teams, man, I think that's gonna be The interesting
Speaker 1: thing with Dame going forward is I think Gianni is
Speaker 1: as much their point guard, although late in games obviously
Speaker 1: they're going to run through Dame because he can shoot.
Speaker 1: But what I love what I love about Brunson and
Speaker 1: Hayes knows this. I think you guys know it is
Speaker 1: He's not the fastest guy, but he gets wherever he
Speaker 1: wants to get to. It's I've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: his ability to get shots off. Like you said, Jay Cook,
Speaker 1: dudes in the post, in the mid range and you
Speaker 1: don't know how he I don't know how he does.
Speaker 1: It's really remarkable.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 6: What do you classify as a point guard? Because you
Speaker 6: said Lebron to get.
Speaker 5: To Yeah, I mean, like you said, true point guards.
Speaker 5: I thought Darius Garland is a good example of that.
Speaker 5: Like in today's NBA.
Speaker 1: Is Darius Garland true point guard? Isn't he a shooter? Oh?
Speaker 1: He's like a He's like a Dame Lillard right A
Speaker 1: little bit. He don't do as much. So okay, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many true point guards in the NBA,
Speaker 1: at least as starters like TJ. McConnell's a backup that
Speaker 1: kind of. I think Jalen is probably the best Truish
Speaker 1: point guard. He still scores about twenty two game right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hardwork with with with Lebron. But
Speaker 1: like when the Lakers need to run something, they Lebron
Speaker 1: has the ball, brings up the courts. That's hi up.
Speaker 1: So I don't know it. It's just it's an evolving position.
Speaker 1: And I think what you gotta do is you got
Speaker 1: to play to your strengths and then you have to
Speaker 1: find a coach or a team that will build a
Speaker 1: team around you or put you on a team where
Speaker 1: those strengths fit. I don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: To you, guys. I think that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: How many times who's going to touch their hair more?
Speaker 1: Tremiah Hayes or Gauge?
Speaker 2: Gauge is his hand still in his hair?
Speaker 1: They both really liked their hair a lot.
Speaker 4: Okay, well you might, but I honestly, like when I
Speaker 4: when I was growing up, like just being a Celtics
Speaker 4: fan and stuff like that. I know you guys hate
Speaker 4: me for that, but.
Speaker 1: Who hates you hates you?
Speaker 2: What? Because because the Lakers fan. I'm in California now
Speaker 2: from Boston.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Lakers fan.
Speaker 4: You weren't, no, okay, all right, whatever, but just growing
Speaker 4: up and seeing Rondo, like you know that just Rondo
Speaker 4: was just the definition of just a true point guard.
Speaker 7: And yeah, Rondo, Rondo is probably the last of the
Speaker 7: dying breeds of guys that couldn't score. But again, but like, okay,
Speaker 7: so we take Rondo right, they put him, he had
Speaker 7: four Hall of Famers around him, and when he didn't
Speaker 7: have the ball, oftentimes they would put him in the
Speaker 7: dunker spot because he couldn't shoot, but that way, but
Speaker 7: he was a good enough finisher where you could throw
Speaker 7: it to him and you couldn't just clog the lane
Speaker 7: off of him.
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting. I would agree with you, like
Speaker 1: Rondo's kind of the last non shooting point guard to
Speaker 1: win an NBA championship or even be on you know,
Speaker 1: viable NBA championship caliber team.
Speaker 2: Studying his teammates, you know, just doing the little things,
Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 2: What makes a guy not feel good about himself?
Speaker 1: That's a thing can cause you a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1: Like look, I'll say for myself obviously, like I lost
Speaker 1: confidence in my jump shot when I was playing, but
Speaker 1: I've lost conferences as a guy, you know when the
Speaker 1: things are going to be hard at some point in
Speaker 1: your life. You know, you'll lose a job, you'll lose
Speaker 1: a girlfriend, you lose a wife, you lose a relationship,
Speaker 1: you lose a house, a car, you'll lose a deal
Speaker 1: that you try to close it on. And yeah, right, no,
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty traumatic. Brand new e bikes
Speaker 1: got stolen by some tweaker. Okay, so this is like
Speaker 1: what one and a half or two and a half
Speaker 1: years ago I got. I got the same e bikes
Speaker 1: I have now, And it was literally like the day
Speaker 1: after Christmas, Yeah it was. And so Hayes, you know, Hayes, like,
Speaker 1: I want to care, Let's cut some candy, Let's take
Speaker 1: the e bikes, get some candy. So we ride the
Speaker 1: CBS and I had yet to purchase locks, and Hayes
Speaker 1: knew how to do it. So I don't know why
Speaker 1: I came in the store, but We parked the bikes
Speaker 1: right out front in the little bike block sort of area,
Speaker 1: and then he was taking a while and I was
Speaker 1: sure he's going to buy up the whole store, and
Speaker 1: so I went inside to help him and we came
Speaker 1: out and one of my e bikes was gone, like
Speaker 1: literally had it for forty eight hours. And then we
Speaker 1: put it out on next door. We put it on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Hayes's I was really upset. I was more
Speaker 1: upset with myself, but also that like, and I know,
Speaker 1: Hayes just kind of lived a sheltered upbringing, but I
Speaker 1: just he's a The one thing that Hayes has some
Speaker 1: really good virtues. One of him is he's a really
Speaker 1: pretty honest person about stuff like that, Like you would
Speaker 1: never take something of this belonged him, and just seeing that,
Speaker 1: like it's like a violation of you, you know, the
Speaker 1: real world that people steal ship right in front of you.
Speaker 1: You just got it as a gift. And I think
Speaker 1: you saw how upset I was. Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: That was a tough one.
Speaker 4: Now, can we get like into like the reaction and
Speaker 4: respond thing that we talked about, like we like a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, Sure, like just because we talked
Speaker 4: about ourselves now, like you know, and we give some
Speaker 4: advice out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So hey, I'm gonna give you a scenario and you
Speaker 1: and and you tell them what your advice would be. Okay.
Speaker 1: So let's say you're twelve years old, okay, and what's
Speaker 1: been one of the hardest things in your life?
Speaker 2: When you guys divorced.
Speaker 3: It was something I had to come to realize that
Speaker 3: everything happened for a reason.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how do you how do.
Speaker 6: You advice would be the instead of because I can
Speaker 6: relate to this lots of times when one thing goes wrong,
Speaker 6: people always want like to get away from it when
Speaker 6: one thing becomes hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about what about when you're a kid and
Speaker 1: your parents split up. What is the advice you would
Speaker 1: give to a twelve year old boy?
Speaker 3: One thing is you just got to keep pushing through.
Speaker 6: Also say little opportunities and the good things rather than
Speaker 6: that they split up in the bad things?
Speaker 1: Did you did you always? Did you always do that?
Speaker 1: Have you always done that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I just I would look at the bright side of
Speaker 6: things I have in my life that I'd say lots
Speaker 6: of the times that when I when you guys divorced,
Speaker 6: that I still have two loving parents, even though they're
Speaker 6: not as correlated to each other as they are now.
Speaker 6: I still have two loving parents, and I still have
Speaker 6: roof over my head, and I still oh, you know,
Speaker 6: it's notice. It's nothing like, yes, we don't live all
Speaker 6: together anymore, but I would say that I get a
Speaker 6: good amount of time spending with both of.
Speaker 9: You guys, So I like it, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But you get.
Speaker 5: Oh with me, it's different because like I lived with
Speaker 5: my mom for two years and then I decided to
Speaker 5: move out to Arizona with my dad last year, and
Speaker 5: then we had to move again because Rolake switching job.
Speaker 1: But why did you why did he switch shops gage
Speaker 1: to be closer to the rest of the family. So
Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense, correct, I mean the one thing,
Speaker 1: the one thing, and this is this goes to Hayes's point, Okay,
Speaker 1: is that it's really important because I know it's been
Speaker 1: really hard for you to switch schools again, like you
Speaker 1: were just getting to where you had a good setup
Speaker 1: with him at GCU and and you know, playing a
Speaker 1: lot more in Arizona, whether your team was good or not.
Speaker 1: It's always better when you're playing. But listen, but you
Speaker 1: got to play. You've got great experience, and you improved
Speaker 1: a lot, and you were the best looking at your
Speaker 1: high school. I was okay, But the reason he took
Speaker 1: the job is only there's two reasons, and they're your sisters,
Speaker 1: you know. And the thing that, like I can tell
Speaker 1: you from my side of it is like, it's so hard.
Speaker 1: Hayes is right down the street. When he's not with me,
Speaker 1: it's still hard.
Speaker 2: That was because that kid.
Speaker 1: I slept next to that kid for four years straight,
Speaker 1: literally said, in the same bed as the days for
Speaker 1: more maybe more than four years. And before the I
Speaker 1: slept next to him, I had laid in his bed
Speaker 1: to help him fall asleep every night. So what you know,
Speaker 1: what you guys have to realize is yeah, you have
Speaker 1: two incredibly loving parents, but also like, hey, we're going
Speaker 1: through some stuff too where we're like we miss you.
Speaker 1: And so what I'm saying, I understand made it harder
Speaker 1: on your life to get it. And you had a
Speaker 1: great set up at GCU and everybody loved you there
Speaker 1: and it was great, and it's hard to restart that
Speaker 1: reform that and San Diego is bigger. It's hard to
Speaker 1: get to the jam Center and work out.
Speaker 8: But your dad, your dad did it.
Speaker 1: Your dad did it because he wants to be a
Speaker 1: better dad to your sisters, and that's like an honorable thing.
Speaker 1: So okay, So the question is, how have you dealt
Speaker 1: with that? How have you dealt with three schools? What's that?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: Three schools in three years?
Speaker 5: Well, technically if we want to get if we want
Speaker 5: to get technical, it's five schools in five years.
Speaker 9: But I mean three different high schools.
Speaker 5: Like so yeah, I've seen it more as a blessing,
Speaker 5: Like I get to meet way more people, like.
Speaker 1: Just knowing more people.
Speaker 5: I'm like a people person, So I mean just like
Speaker 5: meeting new people is really cool to me, seeing like
Speaker 5: how different people live their lives, how it was different
Speaker 5: in different regions, Like I don't know as places I lived,
Speaker 5: and like so many different experiences based on.
Speaker 1: Where it is. So you didn't have, like Hayes talked
Speaker 1: about some of the emotions of of me and his
Speaker 1: mom breaking up, what about you, You didn't have any
Speaker 1: of that negativity, not as.
Speaker 5: Much mainly because like so as my dad as a coach,
Speaker 5: he's always like he was always out of town. It
Speaker 5: was usually like during the season at least, it was
Speaker 5: a lot of the time just like me, my mom
Speaker 5: and my sister is just in the house chilling, you know,
Speaker 5: doing what I ever. So like to me, it didn't
Speaker 5: really like affect me that much. I would say, it
Speaker 5: was just kind of the same as normal.
Speaker 1: What about what about when you lived with your dad
Speaker 1: last last year and your mom you didn't see your
Speaker 1: mom very often? It was okay because, like.
Speaker 5: I mean, me and my mom were close, like not
Speaker 5: as close as me and my dad, but still pretty close.
Speaker 5: And I would still like FaceTime with like every week.
Speaker 5: And I feel like she felt like that was enough
Speaker 5: for her. She understood why I moved out with my dad.
Speaker 5: It was mainly for basketball reasons, you know, just get
Speaker 5: to train with my dad all the time. And also because,
Speaker 5: like I mean, since I'm so close with my dad,
Speaker 5: it's good to like be near him, you know. And
Speaker 5: she thought, like my first high school, San Clementary wasn't
Speaker 5: like a great fit for me too.
Speaker 1: What about you, Jeremiah.
Speaker 4: My parents never really got married, so basically it was
Speaker 4: me when I grew up, it was just basically just
Speaker 4: being with one at a time, not really being with
Speaker 4: them as from from what I remember, I don't remember
Speaker 4: them being together at all really, so it was more like,
Speaker 4: you know, you're just kind of just with both parents
Speaker 4: like one at a time, and I didn't really understand
Speaker 4: it until like probably maybe a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: and just like understanding like that you have to appreciate
Speaker 4: like every little thing, you know, just mom my mom
Speaker 4: working a lot of jobs and just trying to put
Speaker 4: food on the table for like kids, and just feeling
Speaker 4: like I had everything, like everything was perfect, Like you know,
Speaker 4: i'd get McDonald's after school, and you know, it just
Speaker 4: feel like you had the world given to you, but
Speaker 4: you're not understanding until like you're older, and like.
Speaker 2: Seeing how much he actually went through behind the scenes, and.
Speaker 4: Then just being with my dad just like you know,
Speaker 4: he's really he was really strict with me, like just
Speaker 4: on the little things like being responsible or.
Speaker 2: Like if I get in trouble in school, like I
Speaker 2: had to write on a paper. I don't know. He
Speaker 2: was really disciplined with me, and I feel like it
Speaker 2: helped me. So like my advice to like younger dudes,
Speaker 2: just you know, always respect your parents because you never
Speaker 2: know what's going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: Bad. Now, what would your advice be to people of
Speaker 3: the older age.
Speaker 1: I actually think there is some good advice for that
Speaker 1: though that I've learned, probably the hard way. It's actually
Speaker 1: Jeremiah's advice, only in reverse. See what happens is you
Speaker 1: start worrying about yourself, right, and you're trying everybody tries to.
Speaker 1: When you get to be an adult and you get
Speaker 1: to be my age, you go see a psychologist or
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, or you go see a life coach whatever,
Speaker 1: and they always talk about you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: fixing you and getting you back on track, which is important, right,
Speaker 1: it really is important. But what you have to process
Speaker 1: is that, like everyone around you is going through some
Speaker 1: form or effect of what you're going through. For example, okay,
Speaker 1: so and Hayes, you can tell me if I'm wrong
Speaker 1: on this. I mean Hayes and I from the time
Speaker 1: he was probably three years old up until he had
Speaker 1: two houses, we would get up every morning and do
Speaker 1: something sports together. Right when we Turvine Newport, Westport, we
Speaker 1: lived on the beach. We played baseball every day. When
Speaker 1: we had the house at the tennis court, we do
Speaker 1: hoops or football every single day. We moved out here.
Speaker 1: We played baseball catch every day, even during COVID. We
Speaker 1: shoot hoops every day, or go surfing every day. Literally,
Speaker 1: I mean I could probably count on two hands how
Speaker 1: many days we didn't get up and go do something.
Speaker 3: That's sure.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, right, So then so then again.
Speaker 1: So point is though, that Hayes, when you get to
Speaker 1: be older, you think about yourself and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I got to get I gotta feel better. You start
Speaker 1: reading books, you start talking to people, you start thinking
Speaker 1: about yourself. Meanwhile, you know there was a period of
Speaker 1: time where I couldn't get you to do anything or
Speaker 1: and you would be angry towards me. And I didn't
Speaker 1: know why. I didn't understand it because I'm like, oho, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: we're good. You know, we hang out.
Speaker 3: This is what we do.
Speaker 1: We serve, we play tennis, we play ping pong, we
Speaker 1: do something every day kind of together, right, And it
Speaker 1: ends up building up some sort of resentment or anger
Speaker 1: because in the adult's mind, you think, I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with Hayes, he don't have a problem with me.
Speaker 1: We're good, right, But it's Hayes reacting to the issues
Speaker 1: with his parents, causing him to be angry, disconnected, and
Speaker 1: part of it was it was just a very different lifestyle.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure part of it was, you know, there's
Speaker 1: you have that you have things going on your life. Again,
Speaker 1: my point, though, Hayes, is just like Jeremiah said that
Speaker 1: as a kid, you've got to realize the adults are
Speaker 1: going through some shit that you may not think about.
Speaker 1: As an adult, you got to realize the kids are
Speaker 1: going through some shit.
Speaker 2: That you may not realize. That makes sense that that's
Speaker 2: so true, right because.
Speaker 1: We all again like it's like the it's like their
Speaker 1: girlfriend thing, Hayes, Like if I didn't know, like when
Speaker 1: I walked in that day and you had your you
Speaker 1: had your issue right, and when when you had your
Speaker 1: little deal, like your whole body language was different than normal,
Speaker 1: Like I knew something was up, and I would be like,
Speaker 1: what's up of Hayes. But if I didn't ask you,
Speaker 1: or if we didn't have a good enough relationship or
Speaker 1: hadn't talked about it enough, then I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to it's called it empathy. I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to EmPATH ties with you and try and help you.
Speaker 3: And I'm grateful that the opportunity to talk to him
Speaker 3: a god about these things.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, when we used to wake up and
Speaker 6: do something that I had the opportunity to like do
Speaker 6: things because lots of the times people because I.
Speaker 3: Grew up, I grew up on the more fortunate side,
Speaker 3: like a lots of people do grow up on the side.
Speaker 3: Aren't grateful enough for that?
Speaker 6: Because I think about that every time because I have
Speaker 6: relationships with people who aren't that, and relationships with people
Speaker 6: who are greater than where I'm at and less than enough.
Speaker 1: Perfect example, perfect example is this, Okay, for example, is
Speaker 1: your best friend that you played fast for with his mamba, right.
Speaker 3: Anthony?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Anthony a Marico aio. He's the Mexican Mambakay.
Speaker 4: Do you know what?
Speaker 1: He couldn't play this weekend because he had to work
Speaker 1: his dad. Okay, he's fourteen and he might be still thirteen, okay,
Speaker 1: and he had to work with his dad. His dad
Speaker 1: has his taco stand, but they also do catering and
Speaker 1: the job is too big and he has to work
Speaker 1: all weeknd Like that's a real thing for people who
Speaker 1: really have to work and really have to help out
Speaker 1: the family business, you know, and the difference is that
Speaker 1: he would do anything he could, like he would if
Speaker 1: you could schedule eight am games, he would play it,
Speaker 1: and he would grind and he would work. So the
Speaker 1: issue that I would have with you is I love
Speaker 1: that you are grateful for it, but it's how do
Speaker 1: I provide for you these opportunities? But then you have
Speaker 1: the same sort of I don't know what the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for is, like tenacity and grit to be
Speaker 1: a grinder even though everything has been handed to, opportunity
Speaker 1: has been handed to where others.
Speaker 2: Had to work for, take an advantage of what you have.
Speaker 1: Correct, you got to take it, manage that. You know
Speaker 1: what you have is you don't have a lay up
Speaker 1: ahead of the field, right, but you got the ball
Speaker 1: mid court and everybody else was at the free throw line,
Speaker 1: you know, and you got do you want to drive
Speaker 1: and lay the ball in or do you want to
Speaker 1: fuck around with it lose it at mid court while
Speaker 1: everybody else races past you. That that's that, But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of addition to it. I have a
Speaker 1: question for you, guys. Let's lighten this thing up. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is the greatest What is the greatest cereal?
Speaker 2: Of all time. Oh, I already had it. We had
Speaker 2: in the in the kitchen this this morning. That's all
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened to cinem Intel's crunch all. I mean,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is Youremia coming over? That's like crack cocaine,
Speaker 1: like to the dude. What I'm saying that?
Speaker 2: That's my point.
Speaker 1: That's why it's the greatest cereal of all even it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how he eats it. The fact is he
Speaker 1: eats it, and you ate the last semintoast crunch and
Speaker 1: you didn't say, hey, hey, dude, we need some cinnamato
Speaker 1: CRUs You know how many times eating You're missing the point, Hayes.
Speaker 1: Is he Is he getting the point? Is he missing
Speaker 1: the point?
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were coming.
Speaker 9: I don't know what the point is.
Speaker 1: You didn't know he was coming. Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. You didn't know he was coming. You asked
Speaker 1: me last night. You asked me last night.
Speaker 9: Pause, big pause, big pause, Oh.
Speaker 8: There you go.
Speaker 1: Pause. You didn't know that he was going to stay overnight.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What's what's the proper response?
Speaker 2: He's missed the point though he didn't get the point.
Speaker 1: He didn't miss the point. Heyes, got the point you
Speaker 1: just said him.
Speaker 9: The point is is the greatest is the greatest.
Speaker 2: That's the point, thank you, thanks, not the point the point.
Speaker 1: Listen, you are then you're all entired to your wrong opinion.
Speaker 1: But I like it. You're all entitled to your wrong opinion.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I should have saved some for Hayes.
Speaker 1: No, you don't have to save any for anybody. But
Speaker 1: if you if you know everybody likes the cereal, and
Speaker 1: you eat the last bit of the cereal, okay, the
Speaker 1: two things you're supposed to do are one, throw it
Speaker 1: away and the second thing is replace it.
Speaker 2: What do you mean replace it?
Speaker 1: You want advice for kids from an adult perspective. If
Speaker 1: you borrow somebody's car, return it with a full tank
Speaker 1: of gas. If you eat somebody's food.
Speaker 2: Greg didn't do that to my dad.
Speaker 9: Still know that first one?
Speaker 1: Then he's a cheap ask Greg.
Speaker 2: Didn't do that to myfucking That motherfucker was on.
Speaker 4: Last bar.
Speaker 8: Damn uh.
Speaker 1: Closing statement. Okay, we have closing hot takes, sports hot ta.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets one hot take, one sports take go get
Speaker 1: on your own device. One closing take. Let's start with
Speaker 1: gage count.
Speaker 9: All right, my hot take for sports, the thunder are
Speaker 9: gonna be a top four seed in.
Speaker 1: The West this year. Okay, Jeremiah's laughing at that, laughing
Speaker 1: at that top four seed in the last Jay, what's
Speaker 1: it happen? Why do you think that?
Speaker 9: I think the Funds won't stay healthy. They'll probably be
Speaker 9: like they'll be in that four or five range.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's the Clippers.
Speaker 5: Clippers, they also won't stay healthy. Pelicans, Pelicans, They're not
Speaker 5: gonna be able to put it together this year.
Speaker 1: Lakers, Lakers.
Speaker 9: Lebron's carrying that team at he's damn near seventy years old.
Speaker 1: So uh, timber Wolves, Tea Wolves, they're gonna trade Cat.
Speaker 5: I hope they trade Cat then they have a better chance. No,
Speaker 5: I've always just do my thought for my thought four
Speaker 5: it right now is going to be the Nuggets, the Thunder.
Speaker 5: I think the Warriors are going to be good this
Speaker 5: year again, and then I'll go Funds my last pick there.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. Obviously, we went to some
Speaker 1: places that I didn't know where were going to go.
Speaker 1: But the beauty to organic conversations that they're just that
Speaker 1: and I hope you I don't know I actually learned
Speaker 1: a lot about all three of them and about what
Speaker 1: goes on in their brain and when you become a parent,
Speaker 1: and when you're around kids and players for long stretch
Speaker 1: at the time, you start to really get interested in
Speaker 1: what makes them tick. I hope you appreciate it. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Hayes, Gage and Jeremiah for being so open. I'm
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