1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Hey, what up. It's Gottlieb. This is All Ball. Got 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: a special one for you to say, thanks so much 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: for downloading. And the great thing about basketball is there's 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: so many different parts of it that are like connective tissue. 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: This All Ball was recorded on a Saturday night when 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have games. It's not yet the high school 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: season and it's not yet the college season, so we 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: had some time to hang out and just chop it 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: up with a couple of people closest to my heart. 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: My son Hayes Gottlieb, who's an eighth grader. My nephew, 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: Gage Gottlieb, who's a junior in high school a La 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Costa Canyon in San Diego. Actually, yes, Candido and a 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: good friend of mine, and Hayes, and frankly jere and 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Gage as well, JEREMYA Paulino who plays for Westcliff University. 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: It's a NAIA school in Irvine, California. So you have 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm the old man, Hayes the young guy, and everybody 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: and the other two are kind of in the middle 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: of the high school in college basketball. All four of 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: us love basketball in very very different ways. I would 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: say that Jeremiah wants to be a pro trainer. It's 21 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: his passion. Gauge wants to be a player at a 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: higher level than Jeremiah is currently playing at. And he 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: is an exceptionally hard worker. And then Hayes is kind 24 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: of trying to figure it out. Loves ball, loves playing, 25 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: likes working at it, kind of a late bloomer in 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: terms of his growth, and so some of that can 27 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: become a frustration. And I just thought it'd be a 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: cool conversation to have and we can check back in 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: once we get into the season. Per se right, high 30 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: school season kicks off very soon in terms of practice 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: in southern California. College seasons get underway in the month 32 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: of November for ANIA as well as NCAA, and of 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: course my job cranking up with college basketball and the 34 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: NBA has already kicked off. So we had got a 35 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: winding conversation. Some of it's about college, about basketball, some 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: of it's about basketball in general, some of it's about life. 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: And I thought you did appreciate it. 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: This is all ball. 39 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Hayes, Gage and Jeremiah. Okay, it's 40 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: our first edition Boys' Night Saturday Night. You're in the 41 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: All Ball Pod. Okay. Joining me on this podcast is 42 00:02:51,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: fourteen year old hair model. He loves rolling, fighting roller coasters, 43 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: even though he's not big enough to ride most of them. 44 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: I literally can ride every road. 45 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: You talk, okay. Also joining us is another hair model 46 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: from what is it LaCosta Canyon High School. Yeah, yeah, 47 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: he's he's going the route of like, uh yeah, you're 48 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: kind of like Michael Beasley, right, different school every year 49 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: sort of deal, right, I mean you think about it, 50 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: if you if you go postgrad, he'll do five and 51 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: five years potentially, so we'll see if you last. LaCosta King, 52 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: the Great Gauge Gottliet joins me. 53 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: M m. 54 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Okay, and then red shirt freshman at Westcliffe University, which 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: we're told is a real school and it has real 56 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: classes and real degrees, but it just doesn't seem like 57 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: a real school. But he is a real point guard. 58 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: He is. 59 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: He's what a true point guard? 60 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: That's my boy, He's a true point guard. Jeremiah Paulino. 61 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Paulino. Okay, boys, so here's what we're gonna do. Okay, 62 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: each of you, if you want to give a take 63 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: or have a or you want to have a topic 64 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: you want to get to, you get one basketball and 65 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: one non basketball. Okay, one basketball and one non basketball. 66 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: And you got to keep in mind if you're listening 67 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: to this podkay, Heyes is fourteen, Gauge is seventeen, Jeremiah 68 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: is twenty one, about to be twenty two. So there's 69 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: a lot of shit that they don't know, but they 70 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: think they know everything, as most people do when they're fourteen, 71 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: seventeen and twenty two. 72 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: No, we don't. 73 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: Well, Gage knows a lot, but it's all anything he's 74 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: read or seen your members. But you know, he's only 75 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: been on this earth for seventeen years, so there's just 76 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: things you don't know. Okay, let's start with Jeremiah because 77 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: he's been asking me to do this pod since I 78 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: first met him. Right, and as you can attest Hayes 79 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: when I when I asked Jeremiah, whatever, whatever topic you want, 80 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: and he always said, Hayes, what he said, Basketball, that's 81 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: a cool topic. 82 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: We're not coming on here just to roast me. 83 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's a deep, deep topic. Okay, So what 84 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: is the topic you would like to get to, Jeremiah? 85 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: What what are some things that make a great point guard. 86 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: To kissing up, kissing up to the host, kissing up 87 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: to the hostel kissing up to the host, will do? 88 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: Is that really what you want to talk about? That's 89 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: really a topic. 90 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: Let him let what wants to talk about. 91 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: I under stand, but I do think there's a portion 92 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: of that where he's like trying to play into my wheelhouse. 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: That was a point guard, right, and so like just. 94 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: You bro, like you said, you said that. 95 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: Guys, you know, our age don't know everything, but we 96 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: think we know everything. 97 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: So why not learn from the guys. 98 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: But the idea this is a free flowing Okay, So 99 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: how about this? Who's the for you? Who's your favorite 100 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: point guard playing basketball? 101 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: Favorite point guard right now? Yeah? 102 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: I would say either Kyrie or I really been liking 103 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: Jamal Murray as well. 104 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. Okay, I'll come back to you, Hayes, who 105 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: is your favorite point guard playing basketball right now? 106 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: I like Shay I think she is a good point guard. 107 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: But Chigils Alexander also also. 108 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: One more I like to say. Jaylen Broun says, you. 109 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Know, okay, j okay, Gage Gottlig. 110 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 5: I also like Jylen Brussel a lot. Also Darius Darland. 111 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: I like him a lot too. 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go back to you, JP. What about what 113 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: about Kyrie do you like best? In terms of him 114 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: as a pointer. 115 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: It's more on the offensive side than his creative ability, 116 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: just him being able to make plays with the ball 117 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: in his hands, and then just him being older, starting 118 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: to like hit the end of his career, kind of 119 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 4: end of his prime where he's able to kind of 120 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: like make plays and start being more of like a 121 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: playmaking before he gets to his like. 122 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: Bag, If that makes sense. I think he's thirty thirty something, you. 123 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: Guys, I guess. 124 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get thirty two. 125 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 126 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 4: I think the answer thirty one, thirty one, thirty one, thirty. 127 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: One final answer, yes, and then thirty one years old. 128 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: That's correct. 129 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: He's thirty one, but he's what i'd call an old 130 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: thirty one right. 131 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: One. 132 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: He only played one year in college. 133 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: Two. 134 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: He's had injuries literally every year. Right he had he 135 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: broke the tow in college. He's I mean, he's basically 136 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: been a mashing it. The knee injury was a bad 137 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: one because that was in the NBA finals his first 138 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: year with Lebron and he had that mesh put in, 139 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 1: and then he had a screw in that mesh that 140 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: ended up getting infected. And so that's why he missed 141 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: the postseason that first year with the Celtics when they 142 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: went to the Conference finals without him, because he had 143 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: to take that screw taken out hat that meshine taken 144 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: out anyway, So he's kind of an old thirty one 145 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: because he's had a lot of injuries. But okay, and 146 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: then who is the other one? You had Kyrie and and. 147 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: Then Jamal Murray. I was going to get into that 148 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 4: as well, like just like on the other side of 149 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: the ball, like him being able to just be in 150 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 4: the right positions on defense, like being able to just 151 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 4: I don't know, I just like the Nuggets defense last year. 152 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't think was particularly good defensive player. 153 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: Bro. 154 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you, he's just. 155 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: I Q wise though, like just being able to understand 156 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: where he needs to be. 157 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: And I like him as I like him, but I 158 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: would I would just say he's not a great defense. 159 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: Matter of fact, if you remember the NBA Finals, the 160 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: little or or even the against the Lakers, the little 161 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: success the Lakers had it was attacking Jamal Murray a 162 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: lot like they attacked Steph Curry, right, kind of same thing. 163 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: Put him on an island. He's you said, Jalen Brunson 164 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: and Shaye, what is about Shay's game that you like? 165 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: Well, actually, you can start with whoever you want, all right. 166 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 6: So I like Jalen Brunson a lot because I feel 167 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 6: like he's like he scores a lot differently than other 168 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 6: guards his size, and I think that's. 169 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: Kind of cool. 170 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 6: He's actually really good off the backing down and he's 171 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 6: a great one D one player. He knows how to 172 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 6: pass the ball when he needs to m And I 173 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 6: just feel like I get to study a lot from 174 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 6: him when I watch his clips because he's teaching me 175 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 6: things that I don't see in a lot of other 176 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 6: point guards. 177 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Gage Gottlieb, you like, what do you like about Brunson? Oh, 178 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: kind of the same things, Hey said. 179 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 5: I think it's it's cool that like he's like five 180 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 5: or eleven six foot wi shoes on operating in the 181 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 5: post against like seven footers and cooking hot. 182 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: So okay, So you asked JP about all these point guards, 183 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: and the one thing you have to you have to 184 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: respect is that the game has evolved, right like the 185 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: way the point guard position was in the eighties and seventies, 186 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: when you were just a facilitator, you did have to 187 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: be a score. I mean, look, Isaiah Thomas was a 188 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: great scorer. Jason Kidd was a decent scorer, but a 189 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: great passer. Magic Johnson could score, but also as an 190 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: incredible passer. It's much more of a score first position. 191 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: You'll be a score every position, and especially if you're 192 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: a smaller point guard, you'll be able to shoot at least, 193 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: but then score some because you know they're going to 194 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: attack you on the defensive end. If we're breaking down 195 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: all of these guys, Jalen Brunson would be the only 196 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: guy I would say, like, that guy is a real 197 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: point guard. And maybe this is unfair to him, but 198 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: were unfair to the others. But to be considered like 199 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: a whatever you consider a true point guard. I don't 200 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: think it's about scoring averages as much as can you 201 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: function well on and off the ball. If you're a 202 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: function well off the ball, then you're not really a pointer. 203 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes by necessity you have to play out the ball. 204 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: I'd say, Jalen Brunson, you got to be able to 205 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: run a team, get a team into your stuff. And 206 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: if you look at what how they're using Shade this year, 207 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: they're going to use him off the ball like he had. 208 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: He had a really good quote I think this week 209 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: where he's like, if Michael Jordan can play off the ball, 210 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: I can play out the ball. Ye, Kyrie looks like 211 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: a point guard, brings the ball up like a point 212 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: guard can if he wants to pass like a point guard. 213 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: But I don't know, that's a tough sale for me. 214 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: And I love his I mean, I love his talent. 215 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: He may be the most talented guy to ever play 216 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the position. It's talent, Yeah, I mean he I had 217 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: a conversation once when he was in the Celtics with 218 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens and Brad was like, I was like, Brad, 219 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: how come he doesn't pass? He's like he can pass. 220 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: He's a great passor he's the best passer I've ever had. 221 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 5: He just. 222 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: He likes to score. He's always kind of been a 223 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: scoring guard. So I mean, look, look, I think most 224 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: people would consider it. I rea point per se, but 225 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: on that team, lucas their point guard. On the Lakers, 226 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: the Bronze their point guard you know, I mean all 227 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: these teams, man, I think that's gonna be The interesting 228 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: thing with Dame going forward is I think Gianni is 229 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: as much their point guard, although late in games obviously 230 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: they're going to run through Dame because he can shoot. 231 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: But what I love what I love about Brunson and 232 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Hayes knows this. I think you guys know it is 233 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: He's not the fastest guy, but he gets wherever he 234 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: wants to get to. It's I've never seen anything like 235 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: his ability to get shots off. Like you said, Jay Cook, 236 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: dudes in the post, in the mid range and you 237 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: don't know how he I don't know how he does. 238 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: It's really remarkable. 239 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 4: Huh. 240 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 6: What do you classify as a point guard? Because you 241 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 6: said Lebron to get. 242 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 5: To Yeah, I mean, like you said, true point guards. 243 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 5: I thought Darius Garland is a good example of that. 244 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 5: Like in today's NBA. 245 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Is Darius Garland true point guard? Isn't he a shooter? Oh? 246 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: He's like a He's like a Dame Lillard right A 247 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: little bit. He don't do as much. So okay, I mean, well, 248 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't think there's many true point guards in the NBA, 249 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: at least as starters like TJ. McConnell's a backup that 250 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: kind of. I think Jalen is probably the best Truish 251 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: point guard. He still scores about twenty two game right. 252 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hardwork with with with Lebron. But 253 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: like when the Lakers need to run something, they Lebron 254 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: has the ball, brings up the courts. That's hi up. 255 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: So I don't know it. It's just it's an evolving position. 256 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: And I think what you gotta do is you got 257 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: to play to your strengths and then you have to 258 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: find a coach or a team that will build a 259 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: team around you or put you on a team where 260 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: those strengths fit. I don't know if that makes sense. 261 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: To you, guys. I think that makes sense to me. 262 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: How many times who's going to touch their hair more? 263 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Tremiah Hayes or Gauge? 264 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: Gauge is his hand still in his hair? 265 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: They both really liked their hair a lot. 266 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: Okay, well you might, but I honestly, like when I 267 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: when I was growing up, like just being a Celtics 268 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: fan and stuff like that. I know you guys hate 269 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: me for that, but. 270 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Who hates you hates you? 271 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: What? Because because the Lakers fan. I'm in California now 272 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: from Boston. 273 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I'm not a Lakers fan. 274 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: You weren't, no, okay, all right, whatever, but just growing 275 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: up and seeing Rondo, like you know that just Rondo 276 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: was just the definition of just a true point guard. 277 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 7: And yeah, Rondo, Rondo is probably the last of the 278 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 7: dying breeds of guys that couldn't score. But again, but like, okay, 279 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 7: so we take Rondo right, they put him, he had 280 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 7: four Hall of Famers around him, and when he didn't 281 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 7: have the ball, oftentimes they would put him in the 282 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: dunker spot because he couldn't shoot, but that way, but 283 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 7: he was a good enough finisher where you could throw 284 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 7: it to him and you couldn't just clog the lane 285 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 7: off of him. 286 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: So it's really interesting. I would agree with you, like 287 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Rondo's kind of the last non shooting point guard to 288 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: win an NBA championship or even be on you know, 289 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: viable NBA championship caliber team. 290 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: Studying his teammates, you know, just doing the little things, 291 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: you know. 292 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 8: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 293 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 8: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports radio 294 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 8: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 295 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 8: listen live. 296 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: What makes a guy not feel good about himself? 297 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: That's a thing can cause you a lot of confidence. 298 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: Like look, I'll say for myself obviously, like I lost 299 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: confidence in my jump shot when I was playing, but 300 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: I've lost conferences as a guy, you know when the 301 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: things are going to be hard at some point in 302 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: your life. You know, you'll lose a job, you'll lose 303 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: a girlfriend, you lose a wife, you lose a relationship, 304 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: you lose a house, a car, you'll lose a deal 305 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: that you try to close it on. And yeah, right, no, 306 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: that was that was pretty traumatic. Brand new e bikes 307 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: got stolen by some tweaker. Okay, so this is like 308 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: what one and a half or two and a half 309 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: years ago I got. I got the same e bikes 310 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: I have now, And it was literally like the day 311 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: after Christmas, Yeah it was. And so Hayes, you know, Hayes, like, 312 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: I want to care, Let's cut some candy, Let's take 313 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: the e bikes, get some candy. So we ride the 314 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: CBS and I had yet to purchase locks, and Hayes 315 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: knew how to do it. So I don't know why 316 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: I came in the store, but We parked the bikes 317 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: right out front in the little bike block sort of area, 318 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: and then he was taking a while and I was 319 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: sure he's going to buy up the whole store, and 320 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: so I went inside to help him and we came 321 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: out and one of my e bikes was gone, like 322 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: literally had it for forty eight hours. And then we 323 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: put it out on next door. We put it on 324 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: Twitter and Hayes's I was really upset. I was more 325 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: upset with myself, but also that like, and I know, 326 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: Hayes just kind of lived a sheltered upbringing, but I 327 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: just he's a The one thing that Hayes has some 328 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: really good virtues. One of him is he's a really 329 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: pretty honest person about stuff like that, Like you would 330 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: never take something of this belonged him, and just seeing that, 331 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: like it's like a violation of you, you know, the 332 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: real world that people steal ship right in front of you. 333 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: You just got it as a gift. And I think 334 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: you saw how upset I was. Yeah, that was it. 335 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: That was a tough one. 336 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: Now, can we get like into like the reaction and 337 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: respond thing that we talked about, like we like a 338 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, Sure, like just because we talked 339 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: about ourselves now, like you know, and we give some 340 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: advice out. 341 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 342 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: So hey, I'm gonna give you a scenario and you 343 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: and and you tell them what your advice would be. Okay. 344 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: So let's say you're twelve years old, okay, and what's 345 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: been one of the hardest things in your life? 346 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: When you guys divorced. 347 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: It was something I had to come to realize that 348 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: everything happened for a reason. 349 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So how do you how do. 350 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 6: You advice would be the instead of because I can 351 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 6: relate to this lots of times when one thing goes wrong, 352 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 6: people always want like to get away from it when 353 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 6: one thing becomes hard. 354 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: Okay, what about what about when you're a kid and 355 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: your parents split up. What is the advice you would 356 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: give to a twelve year old boy? 357 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: One thing is you just got to keep pushing through. 358 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 6: Also say little opportunities and the good things rather than 359 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 6: that they split up in the bad things? 360 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: Did you did you always? Did you always do that? 361 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: Have you always done that? 362 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 363 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 6: I just I would look at the bright side of 364 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 6: things I have in my life that I'd say lots 365 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 6: of the times that when I when you guys divorced, 366 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 6: that I still have two loving parents, even though they're 367 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 6: not as correlated to each other as they are now. 368 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 6: I still have two loving parents, and I still have 369 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 6: roof over my head, and I still oh, you know, 370 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 6: it's notice. It's nothing like, yes, we don't live all 371 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 6: together anymore, but I would say that I get a 372 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 6: good amount of time spending with both of. 373 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 9: You guys, So I like it, mm hmm. 374 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: But you get. 375 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 5: Oh with me, it's different because like I lived with 376 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 5: my mom for two years and then I decided to 377 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 5: move out to Arizona with my dad last year, and 378 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 5: then we had to move again because Rolake switching job. 379 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: But why did you why did he switch shops gage 380 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: to be closer to the rest of the family. So 381 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense, correct, I mean the one thing, 382 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: the one thing, and this is this goes to Hayes's point, Okay, 383 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: is that it's really important because I know it's been 384 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: really hard for you to switch schools again, like you 385 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: were just getting to where you had a good setup 386 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: with him at GCU and and you know, playing a 387 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: lot more in Arizona, whether your team was good or not. 388 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: It's always better when you're playing. But listen, but you 389 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: got to play. You've got great experience, and you improved 390 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: a lot, and you were the best looking at your 391 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: high school. I was okay, But the reason he took 392 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: the job is only there's two reasons, and they're your sisters, 393 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: you know. And the thing that, like I can tell 394 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: you from my side of it is like, it's so hard. 395 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: Hayes is right down the street. When he's not with me, 396 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: it's still hard. 397 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 2: That was because that kid. 398 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: I slept next to that kid for four years straight, 399 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: literally said, in the same bed as the days for 400 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: more maybe more than four years. And before the I 401 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: slept next to him, I had laid in his bed 402 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: to help him fall asleep every night. So what you know, 403 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: what you guys have to realize is yeah, you have 404 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: two incredibly loving parents, but also like, hey, we're going 405 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: through some stuff too where we're like we miss you. 406 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: And so what I'm saying, I understand made it harder 407 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: on your life to get it. And you had a 408 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: great set up at GCU and everybody loved you there 409 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: and it was great, and it's hard to restart that 410 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: reform that and San Diego is bigger. It's hard to 411 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: get to the jam Center and work out. 412 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 8: But your dad, your dad did it. 413 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: Your dad did it because he wants to be a 414 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: better dad to your sisters, and that's like an honorable thing. 415 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: So okay, So the question is, how have you dealt 416 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: with that? How have you dealt with three schools? What's that? 417 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: What's that? 418 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 8: Like? 419 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: Three schools in three years? 420 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 5: Well, technically if we want to get if we want 421 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 5: to get technical, it's five schools in five years. 422 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 9: But I mean three different high schools. 423 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 5: Like so yeah, I've seen it more as a blessing, 424 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 5: Like I get to meet way more people, like. 425 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: Just knowing more people. 426 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 5: I'm like a people person, So I mean just like 427 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: meeting new people is really cool to me, seeing like 428 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 5: how different people live their lives, how it was different 429 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 5: in different regions, Like I don't know as places I lived, 430 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: and like so many different experiences based on. 431 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Where it is. So you didn't have, like Hayes talked 432 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: about some of the emotions of of me and his 433 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: mom breaking up, what about you, You didn't have any 434 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: of that negativity, not as. 435 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: Much mainly because like so as my dad as a coach, 436 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 5: he's always like he was always out of town. It 437 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 5: was usually like during the season at least, it was 438 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 5: a lot of the time just like me, my mom 439 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: and my sister is just in the house chilling, you know, 440 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 5: doing what I ever. So like to me, it didn't 441 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 5: really like affect me that much. I would say, it 442 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 5: was just kind of the same as normal. 443 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: What about what about when you lived with your dad 444 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: last last year and your mom you didn't see your 445 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: mom very often? It was okay because, like. 446 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: I mean, me and my mom were close, like not 447 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 5: as close as me and my dad, but still pretty close. 448 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 5: And I would still like FaceTime with like every week. 449 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 5: And I feel like she felt like that was enough 450 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: for her. She understood why I moved out with my dad. 451 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 5: It was mainly for basketball reasons, you know, just get 452 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 5: to train with my dad all the time. And also because, 453 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: like I mean, since I'm so close with my dad, 454 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 5: it's good to like be near him, you know. And 455 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 5: she thought, like my first high school, San Clementary wasn't 456 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 5: like a great fit for me too. 457 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: What about you, Jeremiah. 458 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: My parents never really got married, so basically it was 459 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 4: me when I grew up, it was just basically just 460 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 4: being with one at a time, not really being with 461 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 4: them as from from what I remember, I don't remember 462 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: them being together at all really, so it was more like, 463 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 4: you know, you're just kind of just with both parents 464 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: like one at a time, and I didn't really understand 465 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 4: it until like probably maybe a couple of years ago, 466 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 4: and just like understanding like that you have to appreciate 467 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: like every little thing, you know, just mom my mom 468 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: working a lot of jobs and just trying to put 469 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: food on the table for like kids, and just feeling 470 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 4: like I had everything, like everything was perfect, Like you know, 471 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 4: i'd get McDonald's after school, and you know, it just 472 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 4: feel like you had the world given to you, but 473 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: you're not understanding until like you're older, and like. 474 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: Seeing how much he actually went through behind the scenes, and. 475 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 4: Then just being with my dad just like you know, 476 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 4: he's really he was really strict with me, like just 477 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: on the little things like being responsible or. 478 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: Like if I get in trouble in school, like I 479 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: had to write on a paper. I don't know. He 480 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: was really disciplined with me, and I feel like it 481 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 2: helped me. So like my advice to like younger dudes, 482 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: just you know, always respect your parents because you never 483 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: know what's going on behind the scenes. 484 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: Bad. Now, what would your advice be to people of 485 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: the older age. 486 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: I actually think there is some good advice for that 487 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: though that I've learned, probably the hard way. It's actually 488 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Jeremiah's advice, only in reverse. See what happens is you 489 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: start worrying about yourself, right, and you're trying everybody tries to. 490 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: When you get to be an adult and you get 491 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: to be my age, you go see a psychologist or 492 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, or you go see a life coach whatever, 493 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: and they always talk about you know, you talk about 494 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: fixing you and getting you back on track, which is important, right, 495 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: it really is important. But what you have to process 496 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: is that, like everyone around you is going through some 497 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: form or effect of what you're going through. For example, okay, 498 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: so and Hayes, you can tell me if I'm wrong 499 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: on this. I mean Hayes and I from the time 500 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: he was probably three years old up until he had 501 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: two houses, we would get up every morning and do 502 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: something sports together. Right when we Turvine Newport, Westport, we 503 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: lived on the beach. We played baseball every day. When 504 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: we had the house at the tennis court, we do 505 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: hoops or football every single day. We moved out here. 506 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: We played baseball catch every day, even during COVID. We 507 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: shoot hoops every day, or go surfing every day. Literally, 508 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: I mean I could probably count on two hands how 509 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: many days we didn't get up and go do something. 510 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: That's sure. 511 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: I agree with that, right, So then so then again. 512 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: So point is though, that Hayes, when you get to 513 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: be older, you think about yourself and you're like, man, 514 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: I got to get I gotta feel better. You start 515 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: reading books, you start talking to people, you start thinking 516 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: about yourself. Meanwhile, you know there was a period of 517 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: time where I couldn't get you to do anything or 518 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: and you would be angry towards me. And I didn't 519 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: know why. I didn't understand it because I'm like, oho, yo, bro, 520 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: we're good. You know, we hang out. 521 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: This is what we do. 522 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: We serve, we play tennis, we play ping pong, we 523 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: do something every day kind of together, right, And it 524 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: ends up building up some sort of resentment or anger 525 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: because in the adult's mind, you think, I don't have 526 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: a problem with Hayes, he don't have a problem with me. 527 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: We're good, right, But it's Hayes reacting to the issues 528 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: with his parents, causing him to be angry, disconnected, and 529 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: part of it was it was just a very different lifestyle. 530 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: And I'm sure part of it was, you know, there's 531 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: you have that you have things going on your life. Again, 532 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: my point, though, Hayes, is just like Jeremiah said that 533 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: as a kid, you've got to realize the adults are 534 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: going through some shit that you may not think about. 535 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: As an adult, you got to realize the kids are 536 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: going through some shit. 537 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: That you may not realize. That makes sense that that's 538 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: so true, right because. 539 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: We all again like it's like the it's like their 540 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: girlfriend thing, Hayes, Like if I didn't know, like when 541 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: I walked in that day and you had your you 542 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: had your issue right, and when when you had your 543 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: little deal, like your whole body language was different than normal, 544 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: Like I knew something was up, and I would be like, 545 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: what's up of Hayes. But if I didn't ask you, 546 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: or if we didn't have a good enough relationship or 547 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: hadn't talked about it enough, then I wouldn't have been 548 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: able to it's called it empathy. I wouldn't have been 549 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: able to EmPATH ties with you and try and help you. 550 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: And I'm grateful that the opportunity to talk to him 551 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: a god about these things. 552 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 6: And I'm like, when we used to wake up and 553 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 6: do something that I had the opportunity to like do 554 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 6: things because lots of the times people because I. 555 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: Grew up, I grew up on the more fortunate side, 556 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: like a lots of people do grow up on the side. 557 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: Aren't grateful enough for that? 558 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 6: Because I think about that every time because I have 559 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 6: relationships with people who aren't that, and relationships with people 560 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 6: who are greater than where I'm at and less than enough. 561 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Perfect example, perfect example is this, Okay, for example, is 562 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: your best friend that you played fast for with his mamba, right. 563 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: Anthony? 564 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Anthony a Marico aio. He's the Mexican Mambakay. 565 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 4: Do you know what? 566 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: He couldn't play this weekend because he had to work 567 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: his dad. Okay, he's fourteen and he might be still thirteen, okay, 568 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: and he had to work with his dad. His dad 569 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: has his taco stand, but they also do catering and 570 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: the job is too big and he has to work 571 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: all weeknd Like that's a real thing for people who 572 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: really have to work and really have to help out 573 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: the family business, you know, and the difference is that 574 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: he would do anything he could, like he would if 575 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: you could schedule eight am games, he would play it, 576 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: and he would grind and he would work. So the 577 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: issue that I would have with you is I love 578 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: that you are grateful for it, but it's how do 579 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: I provide for you these opportunities? But then you have 580 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: the same sort of I don't know what the word 581 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking for is, like tenacity and grit to be 582 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: a grinder even though everything has been handed to, opportunity 583 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: has been handed to where others. 584 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: Had to work for, take an advantage of what you have. 585 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: Correct, you got to take it, manage that. You know 586 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: what you have is you don't have a lay up 587 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: ahead of the field, right, but you got the ball 588 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: mid court and everybody else was at the free throw line, 589 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, and you got do you want to drive 590 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: and lay the ball in or do you want to 591 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: fuck around with it lose it at mid court while 592 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: everybody else races past you. That that's that, But anyway, 593 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: that's the kind of addition to it. I have a 594 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: question for you, guys. Let's lighten this thing up. Okay, 595 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: what is the greatest What is the greatest cereal? 596 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: Of all time. Oh, I already had it. We had 597 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: in the in the kitchen this this morning. That's all 598 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: I know. 599 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: So that's what happened to cinem Intel's crunch all. I mean, 600 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: what the fuck is Youremia coming over? That's like crack cocaine, 601 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: like to the dude. What I'm saying that? 602 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: That's my point. 603 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: That's why it's the greatest cereal of all even it 604 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how he eats it. The fact is he 605 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: eats it, and you ate the last semintoast crunch and 606 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: you didn't say, hey, hey, dude, we need some cinnamato 607 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: CRUs You know how many times eating You're missing the point, Hayes. 608 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: Is he Is he getting the point? Is he missing 609 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: the point? 610 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know you were coming. 611 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 9: I don't know what the point is. 612 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: You didn't know he was coming. Hold on, hold on, 613 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: hold on. You didn't know he was coming. You asked 614 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: me last night. You asked me last night. 615 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 9: Pause, big pause, big pause, Oh. 616 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 8: There you go. 617 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Pause. You didn't know that he was going to stay overnight. 618 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 619 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: What's what's the proper response? 620 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: He's missed the point though he didn't get the point. 621 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: He didn't miss the point. Heyes, got the point you 622 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: just said him. 623 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 9: The point is is the greatest is the greatest. 624 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: That's the point, thank you, thanks, not the point the point. 625 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: Listen, you are then you're all entired to your wrong opinion. 626 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: But I like it. You're all entitled to your wrong opinion. 627 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: Okay, but I should have saved some for Hayes. 628 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: No, you don't have to save any for anybody. But 629 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: if you if you know everybody likes the cereal, and 630 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: you eat the last bit of the cereal, okay, the 631 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: two things you're supposed to do are one, throw it 632 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: away and the second thing is replace it. 633 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: What do you mean replace it? 634 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: You want advice for kids from an adult perspective. If 635 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: you borrow somebody's car, return it with a full tank 636 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: of gas. If you eat somebody's food. 637 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: Greg didn't do that to my dad. 638 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 9: Still know that first one? 639 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: Then he's a cheap ask Greg. 640 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: Didn't do that to myfucking That motherfucker was on. 641 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 4: Last bar. 642 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 8: Damn uh. 643 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Closing statement. Okay, we have closing hot takes, sports hot ta. 644 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: Everybody gets one hot take, one sports take go get 645 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: on your own device. One closing take. Let's start with 646 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 1: gage count. 647 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 9: All right, my hot take for sports, the thunder are 648 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 9: gonna be a top four seed in. 649 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: The West this year. Okay, Jeremiah's laughing at that, laughing 650 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: at that top four seed in the last Jay, what's 651 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: it happen? Why do you think that? 652 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 9: I think the Funds won't stay healthy. They'll probably be 653 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 9: like they'll be in that four or five range. 654 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: Okay, there's the Clippers. 655 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 5: Clippers, they also won't stay healthy. Pelicans, Pelicans, They're not 656 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 5: gonna be able to put it together this year. 657 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: Lakers, Lakers. 658 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 9: Lebron's carrying that team at he's damn near seventy years old. 659 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: So uh, timber Wolves, Tea Wolves, they're gonna trade Cat. 660 00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: I hope they trade Cat then they have a better chance. No, 661 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 5: I've always just do my thought for my thought four 662 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 5: it right now is going to be the Nuggets, the Thunder. 663 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 5: I think the Warriors are going to be good this 664 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 5: year again, and then I'll go Funds my last pick there. 665 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. Obviously, we went to some 666 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: places that I didn't know where were going to go. 667 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: But the beauty to organic conversations that they're just that 668 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: and I hope you I don't know I actually learned 669 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot about all three of them and about what 670 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: goes on in their brain and when you become a parent, 671 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: and when you're around kids and players for long stretch 672 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: at the time, you start to really get interested in 673 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: what makes them tick. I hope you appreciate it. Thanks 674 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: to Hayes, Gage and Jeremiah for being so open. I'm 675 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: Doug Gottley. 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