1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hold on to your fucking hats. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: It's coming. 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: One to one too, all right, we're rolling, Caitlin rolling, 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: We are rolling, and I don't mean a joint. I 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: rarely mean a joint. I can't smoke weed. 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: It's too potent for you. I have you do CBD oil. 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: I do CBD oils. It's still relaxing. Yeah, yeah, I 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: don't need to be in my own head. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Talk about that a lot on this podcast. 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: It's a theme, it seems to be. It seems to 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: be mostly you though CBD. Well, yeah, it's because I 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: am highly anxious. Yeah, I'm an anxious person. We it's 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: not good for me. Cocktails, however, great, great for you. 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Great cocktails with CBD. 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: In it all the time? Why not? 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm not trying it? Should I try it? 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very relaxing. You may like it a lot. 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: We had cocktails on the last podcast when we were 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: doing our intro to your Fantastic interview with Kama Murray. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Well, where since having that interview things have changed in 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: his life. 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's a really interesting place to sturvet for today 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: because we're going to be talking a little bit about 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: the off season. All the coaching changes that have happened, 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: and then we're going to sort of spring forward and 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: talk about twenty and eighteen, which is sort of upon us. So, yeah, 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: let's get into it. Kamal Murray, coach of Son Stevens. 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: They're on a brick, Yeah, run a break. 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: What does that mean taking a break? 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: I'll be one hundred percent honest, unlike a lot of 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: people in the world these days, and tell you that 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: I really don't know. 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: To be honest, I know that was being discussed. 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: When I was with him, just about you know, the 36 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: potential in the future, but I haven't spoken to him since, 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 3: so I honestly don't know where it's coming from, whether 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: it's coming from her or from him needing a break. 39 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: But you know what, sometimes it's a good thing as well. 40 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: You know they've been together for about three years on 41 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: and off Sloan. You know, kamalby the first to tell 42 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: you that he's very intense on the court. Sloan can 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: be at times difficult. It should be probably the first 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: one to admit that as well. So sometimes you know, 45 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: you just need this breakaway and to app either appreciate 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: each other or realize that maybe you can do it 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: without that person comeal certainly, you know is a I'm 48 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 3: sure quite highly sought after coach now from what he's 49 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: done with Sloane. So listen, The one thing I can 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: guarantee you in women's tennus is that if you've had 51 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: a successful coaching job with one player, you are guaranteed 52 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: a job for life. 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we've already had that discussion. 54 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 2: I mean, unless hey, listen, this will be a good 55 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: test for in a lot of ways to also recognize. 56 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Is it a good test to see. 57 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: Minority coaches and women coaches and how much they get 58 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: kind of moved around like I'm white men coaches or 59 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: in general. I mean, we've seen the flip flop of 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: women for set and one to the other, to the 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: other to the other, and you know, the list is 62 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: long of coaching. Can people who are not white men 63 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: trans verse or sort of transcend working with just one player? 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: Can they be as in demand as some of these 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: guys have been? Your Michael Joyce's your Whimpis that's that 66 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: kind of thing? Is that the point you're thanking? Yeah? 67 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: No, I think in some respects just the fact that 68 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: you know, how how racists and how sexist can tennis 69 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: plays be as well. 70 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's some point it out there. 71 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: I'm guessing pretty pretty unbirth accounts. 72 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, no, I don't think they I don't think 73 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: they mean it. I don't think there's a conscious effort 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: to wake up and be like, I don't want to 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: hire a. 76 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: Black coach because of X and Y, or I don't 77 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: want to hire a woman coach because of X and Y. 78 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: But they wake up going, oh, who's the male white 79 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: guy that's available before they think about a female. 80 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Coach or a black coach. 81 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of things in the world, 82 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: and my experience is rooted in media the way that 83 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: yours is rooted in tennis. It comes down to access. Right, 84 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: If you don't see examples of success, you only think 85 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: that they look a certain way if you And a 86 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: lot of times that's because doors have been shut to 87 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: certain people on doors have been opened for others. And 88 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: so the nice thing about what's happened and you, guys, 89 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: in your interview with Camal touched on this is just 90 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: the idea that being a woman coach, being a non 91 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: white coach is now an example of success. You know, 92 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: certainly thinking about the revolving door because you just mentioned 93 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: a bunch in a flurry there. So we got wym Faset, 94 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: who Kerber declined to work with again this year, which 95 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: is interesting because she won a Wimbledon with him this 96 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: year and now he's working with Victoria Azarenka. I am 97 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: pumped that Azarenka has got, you know, a credible coach 98 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: with whom she's worked before, because I would love to 99 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: see her make a run in twenty nineteen. And we'll 100 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: get to that. 101 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: But can we ask the question of why this keeps happening? 102 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: Why does this keep happening? 103 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on? 104 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, word on the street is that the 105 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: demand for money, it. 106 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: Gets quite obvious. Yeah, it gets brought up, That's what 107 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: I'm hearing. 108 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: I don't know the factual things with Angie per Se, 109 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: but I know that that's sort of out there. 110 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it would be explained why if you've had 111 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: a lot of success with the coach you would not 112 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: just stick with him and it maybe that's a factor. 113 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, you know, the price gets quite 114 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: demanding from him from what I've heard, But then again, 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: I honestly don't know for sure. 116 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: It's just sort of like rumors that I've heard, but yeah, 117 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean. 118 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: Well that's not a factor. For another one of your 119 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: very good friends with who we've had on the podcast, 120 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: Darren Cahill. Yeah, he and simonahub after a very successful 121 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: time working together so far as we know. And I 122 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: don't think he would have any reason to be disingenuous 123 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: about it. They just have working together because he's done 124 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: for now. Is that the case. 125 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, look, I know how he feels. Again, 126 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: I haven't had a conversation with him about it, but 127 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm assuming that. You know, look, he's very busy with ESPN. 128 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: I get that he has other business interests that he's 129 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: got going on. 130 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: And you know, with Simono, it's a full time job. 131 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: You know, when you're with a co when you're with 132 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: a player as a coach, it is full time. 133 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: It is long hours. It is making sure they're okay. 134 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: It is eating with them. 135 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: It is often having breakfast with them or lunch and 136 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: then training and then going to their fitness workouts. And 137 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're a really engaged coach, that's what 138 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: it is. And you know, with a lot of the 139 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: top players you are with them are Ton of the. 140 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: Time, and you know, he has you know, teenage kids 141 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: that he wants to spend more time with and seeing 142 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: them perform, you know, seeing them play tennis and you know, 143 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: do what sports that they're doing, or just be around 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: them a little bit more. And you know, obviously with 145 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: Vicky's wife and you know, when you're on the road, 146 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: as much as that he is already without even the 147 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: coaching dynamic put in it. You know, I think that 148 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: he probably just you know, as he said, he needed 149 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: more family time and I get it. 150 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: And look, he doesn't he doesn't need the money. 151 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: You know. 152 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's done very well. 153 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: He does very well working for ESPN, So I would 154 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: assume that, you know, again, it could be a situation 155 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 3: Caitlin where it's a month twelve month thing and he 156 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: just takes some time away and Simona, you know, Simona 157 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: feels like she really needs him back. 158 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure that he'd be willing to go back at 159 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: any time. 160 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: But you know, well, let's talk a little bit about you. 161 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you are going to be working again with 162 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: Carolina Carolina Police cler. You had a very from what 163 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: I would say, not only because you're my friend, but 164 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, objectively, You guys had a very good run together. Yeah, 165 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: when you took over full time in the middle of 166 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: the summer, obviously leading to her making a semi final 167 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: appearance at you know, Singapore at the Tour finals. What 168 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: does the sort of next couple of months look like 169 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: for you guys? How intense is it? I know you've 170 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: got two bags. We're sitting here in your apartment. You 171 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: got two bags I filled to the brim coaching gear, 172 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: broadcasting gear. You know, some casual clothes in there as well, 173 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: because you're gonna be on the road for about eight weeks. 174 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: Fairly a lot of casual clothes. 175 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: Listen. 176 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: I'll be the first to say that I take quite 177 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: a big wardrobe with me. 178 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: You're a bit of a clothes horse. 179 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: I am a bit of a clothes horse. I like 180 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: to look good. 181 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: But I also have, you know, two weeks worth of 182 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: ESPN clothing with me, which is a lot of dresses, yes, 183 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: and which is not something I wear on a daily basis. 184 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: So I have all my casual gear and then I 185 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: have my tennis gear. So I'll be working with Kaya 186 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: in Carolina Pushkovs. I call her Kaya, or her friends 187 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: call her Kaya. It's not Kaya Kneppi, but anyway, but Kaya, 188 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: I'll be working with her in Brisbane and leading up 189 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: to the Aussie Open, and then I hand the reins 190 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: over to Conchitita Martinez who will take over the coaching 191 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: role with her at the austral And Open because of 192 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: my time with ESPN and not trying to have conflict 193 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: there and you know, putting my time and effort into 194 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: doing my commentary work and working for ESPN, and then 195 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 3: I going to the Middle East with her Doha, Dubai, 196 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: Indian Wells and Miami. So again, because you know my 197 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: work with ESPN, I don't really work for them until 198 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: Wimbledon again, so you know, it's a bit of a conflict, 199 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: and it's you know, obviously an ongoing situation that we're 200 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: trying to work around and work with. But you know, 201 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: all the players know that I listen. I love all 202 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: the players, I love to interview them. 203 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: I love to commentate tennis. 204 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: But you know, when I've always talked to all the 205 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: players about their tennis. If they ever wanted to ask 206 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: my opinion about something, I'm not shy and. 207 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: Telling them how I feel. 208 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've seen you casually talk tennis with Vika 209 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: Azarenka when we were talking in Wimbledon and she walks 210 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: up and you were asking her about her serve and. 211 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: So on and so forth, to be a noisy nelly. 212 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: Well you did it to me the first five minutes 213 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: time was on the tennis. 214 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: Well you needed it. 215 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: It helps, Yeah, I hope I want some more of that. 216 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: I you know, you've got a top ten coach player. 217 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: We've got to work on that. 218 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: I know you gotta deconcernt my forehand in twenty nineteen. Well, 219 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: one of the things I think is so useful about 220 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: you in particular as a coach is and it helps 221 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: me understand coaching generally, which is you can give somebody 222 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: like Victoria Azarenka the keys to the kingdom in terms 223 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: of you should be doing this on your serf, you 224 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: should be doing this with your feet, whatever, even if 225 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: you work with one of her rivals. But really, tennis 226 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: is more about unlocking your individual potential, isn't it. I mean, yeah, sure, 227 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: you have matchups where you're gonna say, now, really attack 228 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: that backhand, or she doesn't like patterns where you mix 229 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: it up with a short ball. But for the most part, 230 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: you know anything you say to another player, it doesn't 231 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: necessarily hurt Kaya's chances, And in any individual tournament, you're 232 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: probably working with her more to try to be the 233 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: best version of herself on any given day. 234 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, lessen, I see so many, so much 235 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: potential in so many players. Obviously, I don't want to 236 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: go up too. 237 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 2: Many of them now because they asked you know, will 238 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: be a rival at hers in big matches. 239 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, you have to 240 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: implement that. 241 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: And you have to you have to work on it, 242 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: and she may players may listen to what I have 243 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 2: to say and go and work on it or not. 244 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: It's not really up to It's really up to them. 245 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've always just. 246 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: Had a really open dialogue with all the players and everybody, 247 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: and so I think that most of the players still 248 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: would recognize and understand that I want the best for them. 249 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: I just maybe, you know, in the individual matchups, like 250 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: when Kaya was playing Caroline was Antaki, you know, first 251 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: matchup in Singapore, it was like it was hard, and 252 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: she played you know, Sam Stowsan. 253 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: In Beijing in the first round. You know, Sam's one 254 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: of my really great old friends, and. 255 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: So it's hard. 256 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: It was hard to coach against people that I care 257 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: about and you know, I'm friends with. 258 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: But you know, my job is also to get Caya 259 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: over line, so and she's paying me for that. 260 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: So when you're doing a great job. One of the 261 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: things they noticed in the second half of last year 262 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: in particular, was seeing her come in and it seems 263 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: like that's very effective for her without giving too much away, Like, 264 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: is that one of the mean tactics that you guys have. 265 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean, I'm happy to talk about giving 266 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: it away. I mean, yeah, she's going to come into 267 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: the net more, there's no question about it. I mean, 268 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to make her a net charger. She's 269 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 3: not me chip and charge and come into the net. Well, 270 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 3: she has groundstrokes. I really didn't have that good a 271 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: ground stroke. 272 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: But I mean it wasn't bad. 273 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: But you know, the bottom line is, you know, tennis 274 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: is evolving into long, long rallies and long arduous rallies 275 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: with the likes of Kerbers and Hallopski. And you think 276 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 3: about all the players that won Grand Slams in the 277 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: last twelve months. 278 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: A lot of them are just road runners. 279 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 3: But they also recognize that they need to improve their 280 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: attacking game. 281 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: Wasn't he acting? 282 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: It definitely was hitting Paul Harder in January of twenty seventeen. 283 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: Bigger, fourhands, bigger serving. I mean, she was serving so well. 284 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: I mean I remember Kaya practicing with her in Singapore 285 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: the year before. 286 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: And she was out serving Kaya. She was out acing 287 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: Kaya in the practice court, and it's crazy. 288 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Kaya turned around me. 289 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: She goes, you know, literally like what the fuck, I'm 290 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: getting served off the cord? But it wasn't the Aaki 291 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: And that's because she worked on her serve and I 292 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: saw that translate into Australia. The irony was in the 293 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: final she played someone that played just like her totally, 294 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: so she didn't necessarily she can't. 295 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: They kind of both reverted back to their old selves, not. 296 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: Missing that Australian Open final. It was insane, carlep and 297 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: was Niaki was a counterpunjury's dream. 298 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: It was insane. 299 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: But you know what in the end, and the irony 300 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: of it was in the end it was a backhand 301 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: error into the net. 302 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: That one wasn't Yaki that match. 303 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: It wasn't a winner, you know, and often tennis is 304 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: about making your opponent make an error. But when you're 305 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: playing against someone who bloody doesn't make errors, it's like 306 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: hence the three hours and twenty minute final got But 307 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: having said that, so someone like Kaya, she's not going 308 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: to play a three and a half hour match and 309 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: win it against haleporter was Niyaki. 310 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: So how do you how do you get a player 311 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: with weapon points? 312 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: You, yeah, play at your strengths. How do you make 313 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: a player with weapons use the weapons and shorten the 314 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: point and win the point against players like that? 315 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: So you've got to have that. 316 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: Well, that reminds me of another player who's now without 317 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: a coach, Venus Williams, who just announced that she wouldn't 318 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: be working with David Witt, with whom she had worked 319 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: for eleven years. Yeah, you know, Venus is my age. 320 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: She's thirty eight going on thirty old. I know, I 321 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: don't look at day over thirty do I? 322 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: Well, now you stop smoking for ten days? 323 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the skins. Skin quality elasticity has been really rejuvenating, 324 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: is real. She's got to end points quickly, she's got 325 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: a play. I mean, she's got tremendous weapons. She's always 326 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: had a huge ground game, she's got a huge serve 327 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: she's got great hands, can she She can't play that 328 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: kind of punching game either. What should she be doing 329 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: looking into staying on the tour healthy and effective in 330 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. 331 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you. 332 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: Know her and David split, like you said, eleven years 333 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: and the loyalty was always there with Venus, you know. 334 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: It's it's funny. 335 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: That you know, Venus and are really so loyal to 336 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: the people around them. Obviously, you know, we had them 337 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: Sasha Bajan, he was gone with Serena and then Patrick 338 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, has been there since really since her dad. 339 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: So you know, you see how loyal Venus and Serena 340 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: are to the people around them because they have to 341 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: trust the people around them because of you know, look, 342 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: they're huge superstars, so you need. 343 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: To have people that trust in your in your. 344 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: Coaching circle as well, because you know, you learn a 345 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: lot about somebody, I'm sure. 346 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: So I'm sure that you know that's been tough for 347 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: both David and v Venus because they are such good 348 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: friends as well. 349 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: So you know, like indication who she's right, I don't know, 350 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: I don't I don't got to be somebody that she 351 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: needs to trust that because that's very important for Venus. 352 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, look, it's obvious that Venus wants 353 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: to have another push one more year or two more 354 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: years in her career and try and finish the career 355 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: off the way she started. 356 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,239 Speaker 3: Last year was an incredible year. This past year was toughs. 357 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: The year before this she made two Grand Slam, two vinyls, tran. 358 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: SAME's finals, a semi final at this Strain Open. So 359 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: she had a phenomenal year. 360 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: Year thirty seven years old, yeah, years. 361 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: Ago, whereas this last past year twenty eighteen has been tough. 362 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: So I think she just needed a bit of a 363 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: new voice maybe in her ear. We'll see what happens 364 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: and who is on board come to this Strain Open. 365 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: I know she's going to an exhibition in the Middle 366 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: East and then Auckland and then Australia, so she's, you know, 367 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: one hundred percent playing. Spent a bit of time with 368 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: her over the last couple of weeks saw in Miami 369 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: and up here in New York actually, and she's in 370 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: good spirits and working. You know, her and Serena both 371 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: doing their businesses, so you know they're so busy. 372 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's great to still have them around, but 373 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll. 374 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: See what happens and we'll see what haven't. Okay, So 375 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: now that we're sort of talking more generally about twenty 376 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: and eighteen, any other sort of like big storylines you're 377 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: looking for. I think sometimes when you have a Grand 378 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: Slam breakthrough, Nami Osaka obviously winning her first this year year, 379 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: one Indian Wells and then one thing goes open, so 380 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: she had two huge peaks working with Sasha Baijen as 381 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: you noted, who's kind of made the rounds among a 382 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: couple of top WTA players, and then now has been 383 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: obviously very successful with Naomi. What do you think in 384 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: terms of her ability to sort of follow up the 385 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: Mead and Grand Slam with her solid year. 386 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. 387 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, she's already proven herself a Grand Slam 388 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: champion under the most incredibly let's duress calamitous calamity of. 389 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: Moments at the Open. 390 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: But she played better than Serena on that day too, 391 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: and she was a big played and she's obviously proven 392 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: herself by winning Indian Wells as well. 393 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: She's had her ups and downs after that. 394 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: I think she might be that type of player that 395 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: has her ups and downs, or if she can learn 396 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: to sort of have a little bit more stability week 397 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: in and week out, then there's. 398 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: No question she can be a future number one. There's 399 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: no question because just you know, we saw her sort 400 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: of collapse a little bit after the USO, and I 401 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: mean her speech against when she lost a kaya actually 402 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: in Tokyo was. 403 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: A bit of a shocker. There's about three three words. 404 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: So she has to learn to also deal with her popularity. 405 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, she's a mega mega mate. I mean the 406 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 2: amount of just endorsements alone, she got a yeah, I 407 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: mean and being Japanese, I mean, that's a lot of 408 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: pressure on her. 409 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean you know, Nishikori understands that as well, so 410 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean she just has to learn to 411 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: deal with that. And she's very shy, very a unique character. 412 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Just put it that way. 413 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: So she's so weird. 414 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's true. 415 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: So we'll see how she handles all of this now 416 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: added expectation, and she's number five in the world now, 417 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: so you know, it's gonna be a lot of pressure 418 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 3: on her shoulders the next year. 419 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: She's interesting because she, like you know, on like the 420 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: sort of crap of counterpunchers who have won a lot 421 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: of the grand No counter. She's not a count of puncher. 422 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: She's not a help, she's not a Kreber, she's not 423 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: a sloan. She is a first drake big ball tennis player, 424 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, similar learning to be smarter, learning to be smarter. 425 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: Sebilanca obviously is somebody who I really admire for the 426 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: same reasons because she brings a pretty high octane level 427 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: of like trying to close points out. So I'm gonna 428 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: be watching what she does to understate it. 429 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if people haven't seen Sebulenka play that 430 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: are out there listening to a play. Hold onto your 431 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: fucking hat, Hold on to your fucking hats. Yeah, it's nice, 432 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: it's common, it's coming. 433 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: Is coming. One person who I kind of categorize similarly, 434 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 2: who would really love to see how a good twenty 435 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: nineteen is Madison Keys mess and Keys has such great weapons, 436 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: not the coaching to install. She has had a lot 437 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: of different coaches. She's going to be now working with 438 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: the coach of tennis sandgrand I forget his name, but 439 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: she has had a lot of voices in that mex Obviously, 440 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: Lindsa Davenport has been really helpful. They have a lot 441 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: of very similar sort of California roots, They have a 442 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: similar game style. I know that they personally like each 443 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: other quite a bit. But what what Madison Keys, What 444 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: what can we sort of what what does she need 445 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: to do to sort of get herself back into that 446 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: top echelon of player. Obviously, stay healthy, which has been 447 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: an issue for her whole career. What else, Well, the 448 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: coaching situation is a problem, you know. I mean, listen, 449 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be really honest, like you've got to have 450 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: you've got to have continuity. You know, you've got to 451 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: have a voice that you trust and that trusts you 452 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: to be great. So I think that's really important. And 453 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: you know, Lindsay's been in and out and is constantly in. 454 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: Her communication as far as texting and you know, staying 455 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: in touch with her and all that sort of stuff. 456 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 3: But yeah, listen, Number one, health is hugely important. Obviously, 457 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 3: she had her health problems even at. 458 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: The end of last year with having to pull out 459 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: of week in Shenzen Elite Trophy WT Elite Trophy. She 460 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: had to pull out of that, and when she was 461 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: in the Semis, and I think the important thing is 462 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: having a coach with her week in and week out 463 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: that trusts her her abilities and gets the best out 464 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: of every single week. 465 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: And she's shy Madison, you know she's I have got that. 466 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: I don't know how much she believes in herself towards 467 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 3: the very end of tournaments. And I say that because 468 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: I really like Madison as a person. I think she's 469 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: a great kid. I just think she has to learn 470 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: to believe in herself. 471 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: She's still so young. 472 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: I forget she's still. 473 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: But if there's anyone that should be winning Grand Slams, 474 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: it is one hundred percent Madison Keys. Her weapons are huge, 475 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: I mean serve groundstrokes massive, So she can learn to 476 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: come into the net a little bit more and finish 477 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: off some points, whether it's drilling balls out of the air, 478 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: taking play, playing some doubles. 479 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: There's no question she's the next best player to not 480 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: winner Slam. 481 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that her and I would put 482 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: Kaya in that in that position as well. What we 483 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: saw fit Delena do at the end of last year, 484 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 3: you definitely have to put her into that category now 485 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: because she's won. 486 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: So many tournaments over the last few years. She looks like. 487 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 3: She's put on a little bit of weight and she's 488 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: she's that physical part of her game. 489 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: And what I saw in Singapore was impressive. 490 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: From yeah, she murdered that that last match, I mean 491 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: she made everybody was a match. 492 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean so, I mean she was probably the one 493 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: player going in there that was like, oh. 494 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: God, yeah, you know, she's probably the worst player coming 495 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: in as far as form was concerned, and then she 496 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: just smiped everybody. Yeah, results would have unlocated. No, it 497 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: was unbelieved. In the first round, she was incredible, So listen, 498 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: and you know when she gets to final, she knows 499 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: how to win. So I think those three players are 500 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: the ones that might be knocking on a door for 501 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: a Slam three. Now, we can talk about the women 502 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: all there, because I think you both know them and 503 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: perhaps like them better, but we should, in fact talk 504 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: about the men because there were so u you and 505 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: I both like the ladies better. I mean that's that 506 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: it goes that saying. But for the record, I personally 507 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: was really happy to see Verev win the Tour finals 508 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: in London, and me too. We were at that term. 509 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: But we had a big party in London. It was great. 510 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: I had some amazing Indian field, but Alexander Zvera finally 511 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: got He hasn't won a Grand Slam, he hasn't done 512 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: a tourn at majors. That's kind of the big dig 513 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: on him. He's won and beaten the big four at 514 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: three SAT tournaments, at other premieres, and finally he won 515 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: the ATP Tour finals pretty convincingly. 516 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: Kim, can we put down? 517 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: Which is what I said at the US Open when 518 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: I found out the news of the Yvonne Landell. 519 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think it's splendor a hundred percent. 520 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: And I knew when Sir hired Lendell, I went, that's 521 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: the greatest move ever. 522 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: And you know, because he has the ability. We already 523 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: know that. 524 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: Sure, he got two in the world disguise, one multiple 525 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: ATP one thousand events. 526 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: He's beaten, as you said, everybody. 527 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 3: He's tough, he's got, he's got the game, he's got 528 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: he's got everything. 529 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: He's got the whole package. But he's young. 530 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: And when I saw the hire of Yvonne, I just thought, 531 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: that's that's just the little. 532 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Piece of the puzzle that needed to be put in there. 533 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: You know. 534 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 3: Andy Murray needed Yvonne to make him, I think, make 535 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: him trust and believe that he could win a slam 536 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: and give him that Still, look when he started acting 537 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: like a twat on the court, and then he'd be 538 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: the first to say he's carrying on like a like 539 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: a bloody idiot. But you know, and I say that 540 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: with the most respect for Andy Murray. I just he 541 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: is my favorite tennis player possibly that was ever thoughtful guy, 542 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: human being off the court. He was just you know, 543 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: would be the first to admit, like myself, I was 544 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: the same a twat on the court, right, I. 545 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Mean, just an idiot. 546 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: On the court. But but he's also the greatest guy. 547 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: So you know when he got Ivan in vance that 548 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: have pulled all the all the twetness in and he said, look, 549 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: I don't want to don't even look at me, like 550 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: play fucking tennis, you know, and win the match and 551 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: stop carrying on like an idiot. And you know, again, 552 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 3: I can appreciate that because I was the same way and. 553 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: Until I was able to pull. 554 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: In my head and control my outward bursts of negative. 555 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: Energy, I was never gonna win a big tournament, you know. 556 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: So he's passed that on to Andy, great job, you know, 557 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: and now he's sort of that's what he's doing with 558 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: wuz Verev in the fact that he's probably made him 559 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: believe that he can win these big events against the 560 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: big players, but also understand how to do it, and 561 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: the reason how to do it is to whatever it was, 562 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: add X and Y to his his game and also 563 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: to his thought process. 564 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: And Ivann's a no bullshit guy. Yeah, I mean talk 565 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: about a no bullshit guy. He is a no bullshit guy. 566 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: And I know Vonne really well and I. 567 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: Thought it was the best move ever and that's why. 568 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: And he will translate that into grandstaon player now for sure, 569 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: he will be tough to be so straight. My favorite 570 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: young male player, and I think a lot of people 571 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: have been sort of watching this crap. There's tis Pass, 572 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: who I really like because he's got that beautiful one 573 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: hit back end. He's a bit of an otis on 574 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: you likes saying tas I love saying tis Pass. I'll 575 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: let the rejoinder of that sentence go because there's a 576 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: lot of different ways you could take it. I actually 577 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: really loved Team. I loved him. Yeah, Team is not 578 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: universally beloved, but I love the fact that he's so 579 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: I mean, his game has such flair, he's got such 580 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: like what he lacks in personality and the ability to 581 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: stream together a sentence. That's that you can remember. He 582 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: makes up for in the fact that he can play 583 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: just like balls out nuts tennis. And I was a 584 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: little surprised that he made a Grandsong final before Zverev did, 585 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: just because Zverev is a little bit more, you know, 586 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: higher profile, has kind of been annointed a little bit longer. 587 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: Team is so good on clay, maybe not the other services, 588 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: and maybe that's never gonna be. 589 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well he has some learned to get up on 590 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: the court a little bit more. Yeah, he's standing, you know. 591 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: And Rafa won Wimbledon by flattening out his forehand and 592 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: and you know, really utilizing that lefty sort of serve. 593 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: And being more aggressive, I mean. 594 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: Coming in and you know, taking the ball earlier and 595 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: all those things. And that's what Rafa did to win Wimbledon. 596 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: And then you know, Wimbledon grass has certainly changed. It 597 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 3: allows somebody to play a lot more defensively, but to 598 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 3: win you still have to be aggressive, and he did that, 599 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: and so team has to learn, you know, with those 600 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: big old ground strokes, especially with that one handed backhand. 601 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: You know too, you've got to get up on the 602 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: court a little bit more and be more aggres from 603 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: time to time. 604 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: So will he translate that in other surfaces? 605 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 606 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: There's no doubt. 607 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: He's going to win a French Open in the next 608 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 2: three or four years, as soon as Rafa quit for a conclusion, 609 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 2: going to win like thirteen French Opens, yes, yeah. And 610 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: then to round that out, we've got born at Korich 611 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: who finished the year quite well, had a very impressive 612 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: win over Federer in Asia. You know, I think that 613 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: crap is sort of ready to I mean, the reason 614 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: we're not talking about Federer, we're not talking about Yokovic, 615 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: we're not talking about Nada, and we could. It's just, 616 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: you know, I think because they've been talked out about 617 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 2: enough and you know, what are we gonna add? Like 618 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: unless one of these guys comes and takes it from him? 619 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: What about they're gonna keep dominating? 620 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: What about the added little caveat of andre Agassi working 621 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: now with Gregor Demetro. 622 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. 623 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: I think it's great because Gregor, I don't know how 624 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: much full time stuff they're doing. 625 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: I know that they're in Vegas. 626 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: We've seen it all on Twitter and Instagram and all 627 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And I think it's great because 628 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: Grigor has to be told I think how. 629 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: Good he can be. 630 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 3: I think he knows that, but I think really belief 631 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: in what he needs to do better putting points together. 632 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: And obviously Darren ky Hill. 633 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: Was around it a little bit. I saw him in 634 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: the background, so you know what's going on there. 635 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think that would be a great I 636 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: think I had I have no idea. I'm totally talking 637 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: out of my ass, but wouldn't it be great to 638 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: see Darren actually working with Gregor in that capacity to 639 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: actually make him a little bit more efficient on the court. 640 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: And I think that's been the biggest problem for Grigo's 641 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: And I'll put it on the record, and I've said 642 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: it before. You know, everyone talked about him being baby fed. 643 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: I went and watched them play this Strain and Open 644 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: three years ago, and I wanted to know why the 645 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: f Roger Federer was so much better than Gregor, considering 646 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: how similar they playing same race strokes, stame strokes very similar. 647 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a serve. I mean, yeah, okay, it's 648 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: other things as well. I think Roger's backhand is much 649 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: better than Gregor's now. 650 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: But it's a serf. 651 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean all the other stuff. I mean, 652 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: Rogers is a little bit better at everything, but it's 653 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: the serve. 654 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: His serve. 655 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll be straight up and it falls apart 656 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: and his second server. Shit. 657 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: And one of the things that I noticed was that 658 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 3: he doesn't get inside the court like Roger does. And 659 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 3: I was sitting on the baseline, I was like, oh 660 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: my god. He literally goes up and straight back down, 661 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: perpendicular up and down. He doesn't get into the court 662 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: like Roger, gets way inside the court and then comes back. So, 663 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: which is why Roger's got one of the best serves 664 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: in the world, because he's it's aggressive, whereas it's almost 665 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 3: like Gregor starts wants to start the point and just 666 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: get going and use his speed. 667 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 2: Interesting. And so, if there's one area of critique on 668 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: Greegor Dmitritrov for me from my coaching perspective but also 669 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: from a commentary. 670 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: Is his serf. 671 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: He needs to improve the aggressiveness and the reliability under 672 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: pressure of his second serve, which has been a problem 673 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: for him over the last couple of years. 674 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's a contextualize it. I mean, we are choosing 675 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: not to talk about the Big four living out kind 676 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: of any marriage just because he's been recovering from Ninjurie. 677 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: But he's coming back this year, and you know, obviously 678 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: I think the tour is better with him in good 679 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: form and skipping ahead to the next generation of yours, 680 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: Vera's and your teams and your chiety passen courage because 681 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: that last generation in between his kind of and the 682 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: reason that they've all sort of fallen apart is different 683 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: for each of them, right like songs that it's like, 684 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: come on, I want to talk. When he had his 685 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: chance back, Corey got real close, Chileich broke through. He's 686 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: kind of in that same age range. So good for 687 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: Chilich for for getting it done. But you know, there's 688 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: no uh, you know, certainly Dimitrov won the ATP Tour finals, 689 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: has been a consistent top ten player, can win tournaments, 690 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: but kind of falls apart in that last like mile 691 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: and so things like that, you learn, are huge differentiators. 692 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: If you don't have a you know, a go to 693 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: gimme serve like like, does I mean you just have 694 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: to just watch his matches under pressure? Yeah, I mean 695 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: that's where the problem lies. So I don't know if 696 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: someone's gonna look at that and dissect it. 697 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, if there was a coaching 698 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: job that I would put my hand up for, it's 699 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: definitely that one. 700 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: Really Okay, last one thing I want to ask you 701 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: about going on. 702 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's adorable too, He's got to be. I 703 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: mean he doesn't like you know, obviously do it clearly 704 00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: for me? 705 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: No? No, he's he's a question. But I do love 706 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: me some grigo, as does everybody, even the other Everyone 707 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: agrees that he's extremely good looking. I'm going to put 708 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: you on the spot for the last thing that we're 709 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: going to talk about. We're going down into Australia. We 710 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: are talking about the men, we're talking about coaching. Let's 711 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: talk about Nicurius. Nick Curtius is the most talented tennis 712 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: player to walk on the court, probably in a couple generations. 713 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's a crazy statement, not at all. 714 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: When you see what he's capable of, not at all 715 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: you are like blown away. 716 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he hasn't had a coach. 717 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: Does he now have a coach? Am I missing something? 718 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: I saw him, not that I know, practice at Indian 719 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: Wells by himself. He practiced doing three sixty overheads, where 720 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: he would have a friend feed him a ball, do 721 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: a jump and do like a three sixty dump the 722 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: way you dunk, the way you would invest or dump. 723 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: And then he pulls out of the tournament a couple 724 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: hours later because he's injured. He loves basketball, he loves children. Actually, 725 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: he loves giving back. He's an interesting, complicated dude. What 726 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: the fuck? 727 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know he's He's staying coachless. 728 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: In the new season as far as I know, and 729 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: he had someone with him a little bit helping in Asia. 730 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: But listen, at the bottom line is that Nick is 731 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 3: a character all upon himself, and until he starts to realize, 732 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: you know, I just. 733 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: Don't know if he. 734 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: I don't even know how to I don't even know 735 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: how to put it in context. I think he's afraid 736 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: in some respects of the fear of failure. So if 737 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: he hires a great coach and doesn't have the success, 738 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: you know, everyone's going to be like, well, maybe it's 739 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: just you, Maybe you know who knows. 740 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: Certainly, it's not a money thing. I'm not making shift to. 741 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: I think it's a burden of that. I think it's 742 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: a burden of someone telling him what to do. He 743 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: doesn't really feel like he wants to hear someoney telling 744 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: him what to do. 745 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. I haven't had 746 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: a conversation with him. 747 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: Look, I like Nick. 748 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: I like Nick. 749 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: I think he's shy, and I think he's done some 750 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 3: really stupid things over the last couple of years. 751 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: It's been a question about that. On the court. 752 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 3: Off the court, he's done some tremendously great things. I mean, 753 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: as you said, he loves kids. 754 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: He puts his time into it, and he doesn't do 755 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: it in a showy way either. He does it because 756 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: he just does it, you get the sense. And I 757 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: saw him with a group of children and at the 758 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: City Open in the summer in DC. He's not doing 759 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: it for the cameras. He is legitimately enjoying beyond that. 760 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: And I know there's some top players that do it 761 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: just for the camera, and I think remain nameless. 762 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: He is somebody that you look and say, oh, he 763 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: is having such a fun time with his kids. This 764 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: is such a nice, freeing thing to watch somebody do 765 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: a good time. He's a little he's a different prison. 766 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: He likes to have a good time. He doesn't want 767 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: stress and pressure. He likes to just have a good time. 768 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: And I think when he's on the court sometimes that's 769 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: why he does the twins and the ship behind his 770 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: back and the you know stuff that he doesn't have 771 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: to do on My favorite this year was the i 772 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: mean the twina like passing shots that he hits like 773 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: when he My favorite was the return in charge. So 774 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: he runs into somebody's in some cases first serves i 775 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: mean blocks it back and then he's at the net. 776 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: And he did it against Medvedev, who basically like he 777 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: was going to cry because he'd never seen anybody do 778 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: it before. It was amazing. It was like better than 779 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: the sneak attack by Rager, that saber thing we were 780 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: all kind of talking for a couple years ago. This 781 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: is even better. It was winners. 782 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for Andy Murray to retire and 783 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: Nick use him as a coach. 784 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: I think is good. It could actually happen. 785 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: That might be a couple of years away, but with Andy, 786 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: but but that would be something that I could totally 787 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 3: see him doing. 788 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. 789 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 3: Nick's an unknown quantity. He's incredible for the game. You know, 790 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: if he could cut down on if he could just 791 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: cut down on some of the bush. 792 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Some of the bullshit, it would be great. And you 793 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: know I do think. Look, it's his career, it's his life. 794 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: If you once hit a tweeter, I don't know, not 795 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: hit a normal shot, and. 796 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: People go, what a joke. No, it's his life. I'm 797 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: never mad about the trick show. I love the trick show. 798 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't The only thing I don't like is the tanking, 799 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: Like he doesn't try. Tanking is a problem for me 800 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: because you. 801 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: Know, it's disrespectful to disrespectful to yourself, it's disrespectful to 802 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: the crowd. It's you don't want to play, dn't If 803 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 2: you don't to play, you don't want to play, don't play. 804 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 2: I don't mean I don't mind the funny trick shots. 805 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: That's not because that's his loss. 806 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see. Hey, he is like a 807 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: box of chocolates. 808 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: What a way to end it? All? Right? Twenty eighteen, 809 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: you're in the books twenty and eighteen. We're coming for you, 810 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 2: coming for you. You're gonna get on a plane tomorrow. I 811 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: won't see you for six weeks now, no longer, maybe longer. 812 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: If you want to take a free picture of my face, 813 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: just so you can. I have this theme called the 814 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 2: phone okay, and they have unfortunately way too many pictures 815 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: of you want it okay? Well, I'm just making it. 816 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 3: But I am psyched for next year, There's no question 817 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: about that. I'm totally psyched for next year. I'm ready 818 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 3: to go work wise, and. 819 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: I'm ready for tennis to be bad in my life 820 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 2: and on television. 821 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm ready. 822 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: I'm tired of watching these players. 823 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: There is no do you play more tennis than anybody 824 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: I fucking know? 825 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 2: Is that true? Except the pros who have taken there 826 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: two weeks about a call? Yeah, all of them went 827 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: to the mouldie that looks like I mean, do youesus Christ? 828 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: Every single one of them. You know. 829 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 3: I was talking to our fashion consultant, who has clearly 830 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: gone on. 831 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: Strike out of our podcast. I knew this would happen. 832 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: She begged me. 833 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: Irresponsible. 834 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: But I was talking to Andrew Podkovic, and Andrea said 835 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 3: to me, what the fuck, every single tennis player goes 836 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 3: to Maldives. Who wants to see another tennis player on 837 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 3: a beach at the same time, And you're like, hey, 838 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 3: good to see yeah, so you know, yeah. 839 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: Can you imagine like Andrew Kurber running into you know, 840 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: it's happened Caroline breakfast. 841 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: Before Carolina went to she went to the seashells. I 842 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 3: mean she went into the middle of nowhere. I mean, 843 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if you know where they are, but 844 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 3: they are bloody in the middle of there, in the 845 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 3: middle of the Indian Ocean. 846 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: Yes, like there's like a speck and there they are. 847 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: So so every tennis player wants to go to the beach. 848 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 3: None of them can ski. 849 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: Except her friend Andrea Pacabac, who's net who has spent 850 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: the file with us in New York City. 851 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: Do we want to do her predictions for Lestrain Open? 852 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: You go first? 853 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 3: Oh, ship, All right, Well, I got to pick Djokovic 854 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: in the Man's because he's won the tournament like feels 855 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 3: like a hundred times. 856 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 2: He obviously is going into the new year with renewed confidence. 857 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: I think Zverev will be a threat, there's no question 858 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 2: about it. And and then we'll see with the rest. 859 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't know Roger what's going on with him. He 860 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: certainly didn't have the year that we expected this year, 861 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: so I don't know. He might he might be done. 862 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: But we've said that before. 863 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 2: Women and the Women's. 864 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 3: I think Hallop goes in his favorite Obviously we saw 865 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 3: what she did there last year. I do think that, 866 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: you know, the Sabalancas and the Plishkovers and the Madison Keys, 867 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: the ones that have been knocking on the door. I 868 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 3: think there's still going to be knocking on the door. 869 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 3: And we've had eight is that eight of the last 870 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: nine Grand Slams have on been eight. 871 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: Different It's amazing, insane, So you know, obviously that's like 872 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: I love, really exciting. I love the because I mean, 873 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: when was tennis to talk about deep this is it's 874 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 2: gone to the point that it was about fifteen twenty 875 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 2: years ago when you had the Cloisters and Hennan's and 876 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: Serena and Discapriates and Venus and Davenport and Maresmos and 877 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: love that. 878 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: I mean, how good was that? 879 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: So good? That's why I'm so jazzed for these young dudes, 880 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 2: because I want somebody else. 881 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Men's has been real. 882 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know what they look like, a 883 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 2: trophy over their heads. I don't watch tennis for excellence. 884 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 2: I watch it for a variety in surprise, and so I. 885 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: Like to have excellent surprises. 886 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 2: Of course, nobody winning is going to raise the trophy 887 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 2: of their head. 888 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: But you know you got as your et Xablanka, what's 889 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: her you're. 890 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 3: Going to look like now with a lot more expectations 891 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 3: on her shoulders because now she is not a surprise 892 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 3: to anybody. 893 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 2: People should prepare. 894 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, look out Xena the ninja warrior. 895 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 2: That's what it is. Warrior, princess worry Princess. Australian should 896 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 2: know that. I would like to see Spidelina feels like 897 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: she could make a breakthrough. I feel like Switelina could 898 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 2: win on the slow records of Australia. So she's going 899 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 2: to be my peck just to go with that slow. 900 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing about Australia. 901 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 3: You never know who's going to be fast slow until 902 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 3: you get down there because the heat. Because of the heat, 903 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 3: and they do change it from time to time. Sometimes 904 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: it's a little bit slower, sometimes it's a little bit faster. 905 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 3: It depends on who they want to cater it to. 906 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 3: You know, the last couple years has been catered to 907 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 3: Roger pretty quick, so it's quick. So you know who 908 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: I would love to see when it. I'd love to 909 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 3: see when it. I would love to see del pelt all. 910 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: I love to see Delpo win anything. You want to 911 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 2: see him when anything. He obviously won Indian Wells, which 912 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: didn't go last year, amazing, didn't play last year because 913 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 2: he was still recovering and med. I think what a 914 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 2: lot of people thought was like sort of a surprise final. 915 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: Yeah was he three? Got to three in the world 916 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: and crazy. 917 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still in the top five, So getting a 918 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: Delpo slam wouldn't that be cool. I'm just putting it 919 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 2: out there because I want to see it. 920 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: So now, who doesn't want to see I want to 921 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: see the heat. I mean, he handles the heat pretty well, 922 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: so we'll see. Yeah, Delpo is definitely a threat. He's 923 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: always a threat. Nobody wants to play that dude. 924 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 3: No one wants to play him or Kirios or you 925 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 3: know the danger guys. 926 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 1: They can heat you off the courtly off the court. 927 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, and the big question mark is 928 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 3: how Serena going to be The Strain Open has always 929 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 3: been a really great hunting ground for her because it's 930 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 3: super relaxed there and it's fun. 931 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: The crowd love. 932 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 2: Her in Australia. 933 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: She's won the tournament a billion times. 934 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 3: And I think the pressure is off her there because 935 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 3: she doesn't feel Listen, Serena feels pressure every time she 936 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 3: walks on the clip. I can't imagine what it feels 937 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 3: like because it must be stressful. But I think the 938 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: crowd loves her down there. She gets into it. She 939 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 3: doesn't have the pressure like she does at the US Open. 940 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 3: The US Open is such immense. 941 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: Pressure for her, I think, And it's also at the 942 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 2: end of the year where she's just fucking tapping and 943 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 2: listen when she's had her outburst in her nut moments, 944 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: and she'll admit there's been some crazy moments. 945 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: It's always at the US Open. 946 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 2: Because it's the end of the year. 947 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 3: It seems she's trapping and the pressure. The straight Open 948 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: is fun, it's great. She has great support down there. 949 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: Allright's twenty nineteen. 950 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: Here we come, Sun, Here we come. 951 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: Gurdr lains leaving New York at the right time before 952 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 2: the snow starts coming behind in the Miserable New York 953 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 2: went Derek. 954 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, mate, you can always get on a plane. 955 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: All right, Well feacetime. 956 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: There's the flying Kangaroo down to Australia. All right, No, 957 00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 1: that's Quantus. 958 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 2: If you didn't know, I did, Okay, I'm on it. 959 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: Okay mate, Yeah, Quantus, please spind sar Our Podcast twenty nineteen. 960 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Connus go on or Emirates. 961 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 2: Sure, we'll take any you know, Yeah, star line what 962 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 2: is star A Lions Star Alliance? That's Emirates or bust 963 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: all right, retel okay, Emirates or bus. Yeah they're gone 964 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 2: East nineteen. 965 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: Well can we just block those car? 966 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 2: Sure of course. 967 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen. Here we come. Hey, Racket Magazine Podcast people. 968 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: Thank you for the love. Yes, thank you for spending 969 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 2: the year with us. 970 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: Thank you to our debut year, for the year we've 971 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: been engaged for a year. 972 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,479 Speaker 2: Well I'm gonna leave that there. Goodbye, Hey, considering the start, 973 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 2: first good we ever have was talking about my love lock, 974 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: oh my god. All right, get into until soon. Goodbye, 975 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: and that's it for this episode of The Racket Magazine Podcast. 976 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubs, our co 977 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: host and producer is me Keitlin Thompson. 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