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Speaker 1: The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra

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Speaker 1: strikes of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the very first episode six Degrees

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Speaker 2: with Kevin Bacon. Every week, I'm going to be sitting

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Speaker 2: down with some of your favorite celebrities as well as

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Speaker 2: leaders from their favorite nonprofits, and we are going to

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Speaker 2: highlight some of the most pressing social issues of our time.

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Speaker 2: So tune in every Tuesday for your weekly dose of

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Speaker 2: do gooders. Now, let's start the show, And what a

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Speaker 2: way to be kicking this off with one of my

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Speaker 2: absolute favorite actors. I am constantly in all of the

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Speaker 2: work that this man does on the screen and off

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Speaker 2: A great, great person, a great citizen of the world,

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Speaker 2: and a terrific and versatile performer. Mister Mark Refle So

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Speaker 2: happy to have Mark Ruffalo here today. Well, we've known

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Speaker 2: each other for a long time. But you know, it's

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Speaker 2: funny because I actually, and this is embarrassing to say,

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Speaker 2: I've forgotten that we'd actually worked together. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: didn't really work together, but we were in the same movie, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which was in the cut. That's right, And I I

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into your activism and the and

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Speaker 2: the organization, et cetera. I just want to shoot the

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Speaker 2: ship just for a little bit. I remember that two

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Speaker 2: things about that movie. One was that I wanted your

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Speaker 2: part really, really badly, and Jane Campion was like, now,

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Speaker 2: are you out of your mind? I got fucking Ruffalo

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Speaker 2: and you're not. You're not going to play this part.

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Speaker 2: And so she came back and said, well, there is

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Speaker 2: this weird, you know, tiny little thing. And I was like, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's like, you know, an amazing director and

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Speaker 2: you were were doing it and Meg and I, you know,

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Speaker 2: and my wife always jokes with me that I have

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Speaker 2: this way of finding like these incredibly important directors and

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Speaker 2: doing the one movie with them that nobody saw. Like

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Speaker 2: she says, that's like my talent. And I thought you

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Speaker 2: were great in the movie. And it was a really

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Speaker 2: cool movie, very very interesting, trippy, like in the way

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Speaker 2: it was shot, you know, if I remember correctly, yes,

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Speaker 2: all that kind of like split diopter stuff and yes,

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Speaker 2: all this kind of crazy shit going on, but it

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Speaker 2: was not. It didn't make it. Nobody put on a tuxedo.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it was quite I remember, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: it's such a I think it's underappreciated obviously, and you

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Speaker 3: were great in it too, by the way. And but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think there was such a backlash to first of all,

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Speaker 2: Which is just so wrong. I mean, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it's interesting when you have the kind of huge success

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Speaker 2: that she has really, as you know, she was America

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Speaker 2: Sweetheart clearly, you know, and it very very had a

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Speaker 2: I mean, speak to me about that. Like, you are

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Speaker 2: an actor, an incredible actor, if I may say, who

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Speaker 2: the size of the movies that you do, or the

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Speaker 2: tone of the movies that you do. You really have

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Speaker 2: an incredible kind of diversity. But I have felt, and

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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear your feelings about this, that getting

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Speaker 2: that in this business is a is a real struggle

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Speaker 3: First of all, want to say, I did think with

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Speaker 3: they celebrate it when a guy does it all then

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Speaker 3: look at you did it while he's doing something new.

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Speaker 3: You know, he changed it up. It is incredibly hard,

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Speaker 3: and you know you've done the same thing. You just

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Speaker 3: You do one part, and you do it well, and

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Speaker 2: By the way. It was incredible and you were incredible

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Speaker 2: so it was so great, and you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many dance movies where you offered you know?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. The next movie that I did

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Speaker 2: It was just the worst. I mean, I snunk it

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Speaker 2: you know America's whatever, dancer or whatever. I was. So

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Speaker 2: I admire you for, you know, for stepping outside. I mean, what,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you this, what was it that gave

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Speaker 3: You know, honestly, it was it was all the years

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Speaker 3: the thirteen years, dude, you can count on me, was

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Speaker 3: So in those thirteen years, I'd done you know, like

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Speaker 2: And in the course, okay, so I mean you left home,

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Speaker 3: So I was coming from at that point, I was

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Speaker 3: coming from I was coming from California. No, I was

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Speaker 3: And so by the time I was eighteen, I had moved,

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Speaker 3: My family had moved like six times.

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Speaker 3: You know. So I also started to understand that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't that guy.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, and so you so you were all it

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of the same way. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I remember that I'm feeling a way. And you know

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well I was the same way. You know

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Speaker 2: And know, I can I can move all those groups,

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Speaker 2: you know. But I know, so you met, you went

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Speaker 2: See that's really interesting because, uh, you know what, I

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Speaker 3: Who did that? I mean, you know who goes to

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's funny because that was kind of

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Speaker 2: I remember people saying, well, you could go to LA

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Speaker 2: that getting a bunch of theater under your belt has

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Speaker 2: had has uh contributed to this, you know, ability to

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Speaker 2: be diverse in the in the in the parts that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean, you know, I was doing Shakespeare, I

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Speaker 3: We were doing David Ray, we were doing O'Neill. We're

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Speaker 2: But now you have this thing. Okay that again, I

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Speaker 3: And you know, you go and and any any any

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Speaker 2: Especially that right in that in that little zone too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, survive, you know, but it's it's thriving, it's beautiful,

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Speaker 3: It's something that I it's something I always fancied myself.

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Speaker 3: And then finally I had some time to do it,

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Speaker 3: and and solemn, and you know, there's just such meditating,

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00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 3: very meditative, and you know, you realize.

435
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: Are you using tools or or your hands or in

436
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: the us in.

437
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: Your hands mostly in the clay. I mean you're there's

438
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: some tools there's a you know, my teacher, you know,

439
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 3: you have a sculpting knife basically, or or even he's

440
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: used will use like little plastic butter knives too, because

441
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: you get that nice raking quality. But it's very minimal.

442
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 3: But it's you're in the dirt, you know, you're in

443
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: the mud, and uh, it's so primal and and you're

444
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: you know, your focus is so extreme and you have

445
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: to see, you know, you really have to see, and

446
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: you realize how you know, we we think we see,

447
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: oh that's a tree, you know, we we we label things.

448
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: We'll immediately go to a label, but to really take

449
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 3: the time to see is like its own discipline. And

450
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: and I just find it incredibly soothing to me in

451
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: this jangled you know techno digital, ultra ultra ultra ultra

452
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: world we're living in. You know, it's just all this time.

453
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great. I mean I think that uh, well,

454
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, we all we all can use different forms

455
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: of mental soothing, of physical connection to two things that

456
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: aren't on a screen. You know. It's well, it just

457
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: seems like it's so important musing.

458
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: I mean, is it your music like that for you?

459
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, totally yes, that's it for me. Music and

460
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: the animals, you know, horses and all kinds of animals

461
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: and and and you know, I find that, uh, you know,

462
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: when you're playing music with people, you have to listen,

463
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: you have to react, you have to you know, you

464
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: have to group. And I even think that as an

465
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: act is as an actors, you know, you've worked even

466
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: in such extreme you know, technical situations, you know, way

467
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: beyond any of the stuff that I've done. But even

468
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: the difference between going from the stage to film, there

469
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: is a lot of gear that sometimes can distract you

470
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: from this exchange of the emotions and characters and eyes

471
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: and and and and and bodies and and all this

472
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: kind of stuff that that you know, you you I

473
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: often say that you know, you you could. You got

474
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: to make sure when you're when you're acting with somebody

475
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: in a in a film, that you don't let all

476
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: that gear get between you and and the person. And

477
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: I would think that working in a in a in

478
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: the in a you know, a green screen or digital

479
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: or superhero kind of situation, it becomes even harder to

480
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: fight against that.

481
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so intense. I mean, when I'm

482
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: doing the Hulk stuff I have. I have a helmet

483
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: on that has like four cameras, you know, basically in

484
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: my face, and you know, and and then a whole

485
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: rig attached to me like a vest that has all

486
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: of the digital recording system on it, you know, with

487
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: the batteries. And then I'm in a suit that's basically skinned.

488
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: I call it the man canceling suit because it makes

489
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: you look big everywhere you want to look small, and

490
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: small everywhere you want to big.

491
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: I've been in suits like that before, you know what

492
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I do.

493
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: And so, uh, I had I had a special loin

494
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 3: cloth made for my because it was just it was

495
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: too too revealing, you know, so the amount you know,

496
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: getting used to that and trying to be present in it,

497
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: and and and I'm standing on a box that makes me,

498
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: you know, ten foot tall. So all the actors I'm

499
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: working with are literally at at you know, crotch level.

500
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: Thus the loin cloth, you know, and you're trying to

501
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: you know, you're trying to do that thing. You're trying

502
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: to listen and connect and and you.

503
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: Just have this.

504
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: You know. It was funny because we just did She

505
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: Hulk and and I was breaking in Tatiana with all

506
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: this technology, you know, and what it happened. What happens

507
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: is is the technology takes over and the acting part

508
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: becomes the sort of side side gig, you know, it's

509
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: sort of the it's the augmentation, it's it's no, it

510
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: was no longer the thing, you know. And and I

511
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: really had to like fight and fight for her and

512
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: teach her that we can't let this technology stand in

513
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: front of what we do as performers, which is I

514
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: think part of this big fight we're about to have

515
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: with the.

516
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: Screen percent is and uh, it is really important to

517
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: remember that and you know, to hold on to it.

518
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: And we're going to have to We're going to have

519
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: to fight to keep that in the forefront of people's minds.

520
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's ultimately never gonna work if if

521
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: if we are you know, just recreated, and I can't

522
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: wait to see that. I love Tatiana. She's so she's

523
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: so good.

524
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: I love her. It's so funny too, She's great and

525
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: it man, she's just so good.

526
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the movies that you've made,

527
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: you know, Spotlight being a perfect example, have had a

528
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, a point of view, not you know, how

529
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: can I put this a social point of view or

530
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: an environmental point of view? Which which is going to

531
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: I mean, did you come up with something like The

532
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: Solutions Project because of that experience or do you sometimes

533
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: look for those movies because of your your your feelings

534
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: about the world.

535
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: You know, It's funny because well, first of all, I

536
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: was always you know, Stella Adler was my teacher, and

537
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: she was like, you have to be political. You have

538
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: to be politically involved. You have to know what's happening.

539
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: You know, even if you're playing something in the thirties,

540
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: you have to know what the political scene was. You

541
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: have to be involved in that part to understand the

542
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: time and the place and who you're playing and and

543
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: and their place in the world at that time.

544
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: Right, So I didn't know that was part of her technique.

545
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: That's really fascinating to me. Yeah, I've never studied, didn't

546
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: study any of that, so and.

547
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: That was a big part of it. So we were

548
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: already like we were already conscious, socially conscious as artists.

549
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: She really believed that you had to be socially conscious

550
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: as an as an artist, and so but there wasn't

551
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, you know, the funny thing about acting is like, oh,

552
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: what what made you decide to pick that part? It

553
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: is like, I didn't pick anything.

554
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

555
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm lucky to even have a job, you know, right,

556
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: I know, for so long, you know. And so you know,

557
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: I found myself moving up state in the middle of

558
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: this fracking fight, you know, and it's happening all around me.

559
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: So I'm the longer like a guy on the sidelines.

560
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm like in the middle of it. And I'm trying

561
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: to raise kids there and and you know, my neighbors

562
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: like willing to poison my water, you know, and and

563
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: and poison everyone's water around us, you know. So I'm

564
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: right in the middle of that thing. And I and

565
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: I get like a front seat view of what it's

566
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: like to be in a sacrifice Zoe, and what it's

567
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: like to be a frontline fighter, and what it's like

568
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: to live in a world where there's two sets of laws.

569
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: You know, there's the laws that are for all of us,

570
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: and there's the laws that are for corporations or no

571
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: laws that are for corporations, big wealthy corporations and people

572
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: of power. And so that really changed me. And and

573
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: that that started, you know, that moved on to the

574
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: Solutions project. It was that it was my activism that

575
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: that I was finding myself part of that made me say, hey,

576
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: you know, why don't I do this with movies more?

577
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: You know, I I you know, and I was at

578
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: a point where I could, you know, I could start

579
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: producing things and developing things and and that and that

580
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: and and I you know, I'll tell you I did

581
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: The Kids Are All Right, which was just a great

582
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: film and a funny film by itself, but it ended

583
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: up having a real impact on the gay marriage issue,

584
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: which was which it landed right in the middle of

585
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: right right, and it was so humanizing and and what

586
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: you realized about gay people is their marriages were just

587
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: as bad as everybody else's.

588
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: You know.

589
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, they were they were going through

590
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: the same stuff. You know, people who were married were straight,

591
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: were laughing at the same issues, you know, and just

592
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: humanize it. And I think it really did change the

593
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: conversation culturally. I saw how important that became to that

594
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: specific fight, and that's when I started to really feel like,

595
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 3: you know, an article goes in a newspaper, goes this far,

596
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 3: a documentary goes this far, but a movie that level

597
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: of storytelling, if you could get past the polemics, if

598
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: you can get if you could just tell the human story.

599
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: It resonates in all kinds of people outside of their

600
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: political beliefs, like you know dark waters that you know

601
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: that things, that thing is seen by everybody, and and

602
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: and we can all agree, like we don't want to

603
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: be drinking poison water that some major corporation you know,

604
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: knowingly did to us. We don't want our kids doing that.

605
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: You know, we don't want that in our popcorn. We

606
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: don't want that in our frying pans. You know, we

607
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 3: don't want to die from some disease that someone else

608
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: knew they were they were passing to us. No one

609
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: wants to do that. So you know, when they hear

610
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: that story, they see working class people being affected by it,

611
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, you have a change happened.

612
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's great. Well, I think this is a

613
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: good segue for us to bring out Gloria Walton, who

614
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: works with you on the Solutions project. So please join us. Gloria. Hi, Kay,

615
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: Thank Gloria, Hey you Mike, Well, thanks Gloria, thanks for

616
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: joining us.

617
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

618
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled. It's very nice to meet you. I mean,

619
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: I guess my first question is how the two of

620
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: you met and how this whole thing came together.

621
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: Gosh, how did the two of us meet? So in

622
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 4: the work, Mark is hardcore, which I know, you know,

623
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: given that your friends and so. And when I say hardcore,

624
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 4: just meaning that he's always like in it with us

625
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 4: in the community, you know, having just being really connected

626
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: to his own personal experience and therefore being able to

627
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: show up with like true authenticity and just one of

628
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: the comrades. So, and that was like several years ago,

629
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 4: because I've been doing this work for about sixteen years,

630
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: and I started in South central Los Angeles.

631
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: And what were you doing in south What was it

632
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: you were doing in South Central? Just just kill people

633
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: in Yeah.

634
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 4: So I actually used to be a community organizer, and

635
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: I still identify as an organizer. So I'm not necessarily

636
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: I mean, sometimes I'm organizing people, but not in the

637
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: ways that I did when I was at this organization

638
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 4: called SCOPE, and I started as an intern there. It

639
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: stands for Strategic Concepts in Organizing and Policy Education, and

640
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: so essentially we were organizing the community's most impacted, and

641
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: in South Central that was black and brown communities. And

642
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: if you're not familiar, which I know you know we

643
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: are familiar, but like South Central is a community that

644
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: is surrounded by freeways from the north, south, east, and west,

645
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: so it's literally in the center and therefore diesel trucks

646
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 4: are kind of going through all the time going to

647
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 4: the ports. And it's a highly concretized community, so minimal

648
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: green space, minimal trees, and it has high rates of

649
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: poverty and like low wage sector work. So that kind

650
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Speaker 4: of gives you an idea. And so when we're talking

651
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: about most impacted communities, these are communities that are unfortunately

652
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: living adjacent to freeways, living adjacent to oil drilling and fracking,

653
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 4: and so often the entrepe point and to climate was

654
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: really like around public health, because you know, it wasn't

655
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: a co incidents that South Central, you know, when you're

656
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: looking at like Hounty averages, it was one of the

657
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: sickest communities in LA and really across the state, and

658
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 4: high mortality rates, high infant mortality rates, high rates of asthma, cancer,

659
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 4: things like that.

660
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting I think when talking about climate, you know,

661
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: trying to talk about it for so many years. I

662
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: think for so many years it was such a big

663
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: concept that it was hard for people to get their

664
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: heads around even to this day, of any kind of

665
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: like personal impact. I mean, when you think about it,

666
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: it's you know, force masure is act of God and

667
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: like and a lot of times there's things that are explained,

668
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: but climate wise, they say it's a force masure. And

669
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: when something I it sounds like what you're doing is

670
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: bringing it home to the community that if your own

671
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: health or the health of your children is being specifically affected,

672
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: making that connection between climate change and something that's really

673
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: as personal and as easy to grasp onto is that

674
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: is is a really important thing to do.

675
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, one of the things that like

676
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: the first lessons that I learned in community organizing was

677
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 4: really talking about power and agency. So this idea of

678
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: all of us having power to change things and the

679
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 4: reality that the conditions that the communities, you know, people

680
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: who live in communities like South Los Angeles are living

681
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: in are not happenstance or coincidence, but it's actually the

682
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 4: result of decisions that have been made by people and

683
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: decision makers to create the conditions that we're living in

684
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: and so in the movement, we often say that the

685
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 4: redline communities of yesterday are the environmental justice communities of today.

686
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: For that reason.

687
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's not just some random act of God, right, Like,

688
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: you know, people decided who was going to live adjacent

689
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: to freeways, who was going to live you know, what

690
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: children were going to play next to fracking and oil drilling.

691
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: Who was going to live in a community where all

692
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: the diesel trusts run through it?

693
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Speaker 2: Right? If I could get just personal for one one

694
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Speaker 2: second with Gloria, I mean, you know, doing the kind

695
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: of work that you do. I'll speak for myself. You know,

696
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: when I decided to do the kind of work that

697
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: I do, I did it because I wanted to be

698
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: rich and famous and get girls. But somebody who who

699
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: devotes and spends their life on something as you know,

700
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: as as selfless as community organizing or you know, fighting

701
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: you know, for against climate change, et cetera, it's such

702
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: a it's it. I'm just always impressed with that, And

703
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Speaker 2: I wonder if you can shed any light on what

704
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Speaker 2: it was for you, uh, you know, parents, or one

705
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: experience or or uh you know whatever.

706
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm appreciating that question. And I guess for me,

707
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: it definitely started in childhood. You know. It's like I

708
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 4: come from a most impacted community. My family is still,

709
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: you know, in most impacted communities in Jackson, Mississippi, you know,

710
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: is where my family is, and they're you know, dealing

711
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: with the water crisis, amongst many other things.

712
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: Right now, right down.

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Speaker 4: And I grew up you know around like my uncles

714
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: were day labors, and therefore they had infrequent work and

715
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: inconsistent work, and often stayed with my mom. My mom

716
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: was like the house that everyone could come to and

717
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 4: eat and sleep and you know, clean their bodies. You know,

718
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: she was that person, which was a beautiful thing to

719
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: grow up around and a little traumatic in some ways too,

720
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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it was just

721
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 4: really showing me about and demonstrating the importance of showing

722
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 4: up for the people that you care about. Generosity exactly,

723
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: and compassion, right and love and so that's one one thing.

724
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: So the fact that I come from these communities, it

725
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: is personal and it's a deeply personal issue for me.

726
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: And then there's like the beauty.

727
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: Of it too.

728
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: So you know, I shared like a lot of the

729
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 4: crisis in South LA, but you know, the grassroots leaders

730
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: there are very much the reason why I stayed in

731
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: this work is really hearing their values, hearing their vision

732
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: about the kind of community that they want to live in,

733
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: you know, where people have like access to clean water

734
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: and clean air and green space and good jobs and

735
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: a connection to their power. And that's also something that

736
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Speaker 4: I saw with my grandmother. She actually raised me the

737
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: first four years of my life. And my grandmother was

738
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: a farmer. And you know, there's like sayings and adages

739
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: that I grew up hearing which we all know, you know,

740
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 4: where my grandmother would be like, you know, make sure

741
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: if someone lent me something, make sure you give it

742
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: back better than you found it. You know, if I'm

743
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: playing somewhere, make sure you clean it up and leave

744
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: it better than you found it. And these are like

745
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 4: adages and sayings that you know, you don't think much

746
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: about when you hear them. You know, you may even

747
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: get a little irritated hearing it. But these are the

748
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: things that are It's like simple things like that that

749
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 4: will help us do better as a society. And it's

750
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: like a reflection again, like I just have to go

751
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: back to values, you know, she would say that you

752
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 4: need to think about the consequences of your actions. And again,

753
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 4: all of this is about climate and the climate crisis

754
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 4: and what we can be doing better. You know, Indigenous

755
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: communities up and talk about thinking seven generations ahead, which

756
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: essentially is what that's saying is about, like, think about

757
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: the consequences of your actions. How is this going to

758
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: impact you, your family, your community. You know, she would say,

759
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: you're going to reap what you sew, so plant seeds

760
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: that you actually want to harvest, right, and that everything

761
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: comes from the natural world. Like as a farmer, that

762
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 4: was really important to her and she instilled that in me.

763
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: And you know, she was like from your food to

764
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: your medicine to this home. You know, if you take

765
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: care of the land, the land will take care of you.

766
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: And so these were like basic things, you know, from

767
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: the experience of poverty to the experience of people connecting

768
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: to their individual power, values and vision is really what

769
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: helps to sustain and drive me in this work.

770
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Speaker 2: So for both of you, what is the day to

771
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: day work for the Solutions Project.

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00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 4: The Solutions Project essentially we are a national organization and

773
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about most impacted communities and

774
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 4: so that is who we are here to serve. That's

775
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: who we represent our Black, Indigenous, immigrant, Asian, American, Pacific Islander,

776
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: LATINX and other communities of color, and especially women of color.

777
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 4: And the reason for that is because often, you know,

778
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 4: regardless of what organization or corporation or wherever you're at,

779
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: like women are the backbones of these places in spaces,

780
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: and so that's something that we always want to elevate.

781
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: But at the Solutions Project, essentially we are investing in

782
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: BIPOP communities. We're amplifying by pop communities and their solutions.

783
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: And I raise money, you know, that's one thing that

784
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: I do. And when I say that, like I come

785
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: from a most impacted community, I also used to organize

786
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: in the most impacted community. I ran the organization called Scope,

787
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: and therefore I understand intimately what it means and what

788
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: it takes to do this work, and how often this

789
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: work is under resource and underfunded, and especially if it's

790
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 4: work that's led by you know, BIPOP communities and women

791
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: of color, A fraction of resources go to those places

792
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: and spaces, even though these are the communities that are

793
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: like innovating transformative climate solutions. And I can share what

794
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: some of those look like I'm.

795
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Really curious about that. What are some of those solutions,

796
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: you know?

797
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 4: So we find a plethora of organizations and some highlights

798
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: that come to mind. I'll probably talk about Uprows, which

799
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 4: is like an organization that's in Brooklyn, New York, and

800
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 4: they are transforming as we speak, this industrial waterfront into

801
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: a wind energy hub. And for them, that's about creating

802
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: thousands of jobs, that's about powering millions of homes in

803
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: New York. And that's about a demonstrative model of what

804
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: a just transition looks like, which is a transition that

805
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: is bottom up, where the people who are closest to

806
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: the problems are actually informing the solutions. You can think

807
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: about APEN. They're in in the Bay Area in California

808
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 4: and they are instituting what's called resilience hubs and building

809
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 4: this and essentially resilience hubs are all the community assets

810
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: kind of coming together, whether that's youth centers, community organizations, libraries,

811
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 4: places of worship, where people are saying, hey, we are

812
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: the backbones of our community. Let's link up and figure

813
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: out how to be proactive when we have any crisis,

814
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: let alone a climate crisis. So you know, I can

815
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: think about like COVID for example, community these came together

816
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: and we're like the first responders, and so resilience hubs

817
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: are really building off of that model, especially when it

818
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: comes to climate, because often we're reacting to climate conditions.

819
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: But when you think about building a resilience hub, it's saying, Okay,

820
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: if we know that we're going to have these recurring events,

821
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 4: let's figure out how to be proactive and think about

822
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: climate adaptation and mitigation upfront, and let's think about the

823
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: democratization of an energy transition upfront. And so these communities

824
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: are in a long standing relationship to transform their neighborhoods

825
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: in ways that benefit everyone. One thing that I think

826
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 4: about with the climate crisis is people often just want

827
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: to reduce it to solely being about too much carbon

828
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: in the atmosphere, and that it is right, Like, we

829
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: know it's definitely about carbon emissions, but when you just

830
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: think of it only as that, essentially you think it's

831
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 4: just a balancing act. Okay, we just remove the carbon

832
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: and that's it. But one thing that I often say

833
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: is that you know, you can have a clean, green

834
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 4: economy that still has the same income, inequality structural inequities, racism, zenophobia,

835
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: sexism that exists in today's society. And so when you

836
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 4: think of it that way, that's actually a community and

837
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: a society that's not so clean. And if our values

838
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: aren't changing, you know, we'll be clean for a minute,

839
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 4: but we're still going to get right back to where

840
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 4: we started, because you know, we should be thinking about

841
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 4: it as like the carbon crisis, like too much carbon

842
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: in the atmosphere is really a symptom of the root

843
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: causes about the values and dominant world views that drive

844
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: our world and some of those things that come to

845
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 4: mind for me again when I think about like most

846
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: impacted communities is commodifying people and the places that we

847
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: call home, and that means putting a price tag on

848
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: the value of my life and putting one on the

849
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 4: value of yours. And often the value of my life

850
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: is sadly less than the value of yours. And that's

851
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: how we've been making decisions in our society. And then

852
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: on top of that, it's like values around hyper consumption,

853
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 4: hyper production, mass waste, and you know, the phrases that

854
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 4: none of us like to hear, but you know, we're

855
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 4: in a reckoning where we do need to talk about

856
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 4: white supremacy, colonialism, patriarchy, because all of these are the

857
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 4: ideas and the values that got us here to think

858
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 4: that we can extract and exploit at any cost, you know,

859
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: the cost of human life and the cost to our environment.

860
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Speaker 2: I love what you say because I really believe that

861
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 2: you do a disservice in life if you don't look

862
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: at the connections between things, the connections between things that

863
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: are negative and the connections between things that are positive.

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Speaker 2: It is very very important. Two, you know, not to

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Speaker 2: completely compartmentalize these these these issues because oftentimes they are related,

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Speaker 2: you know, education and race and climate and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: economy and all these things. So I'm really I'm very

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Speaker 2: very impressed both with that notion and with you and

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Speaker 2: with the great and powerful Mark Ruffalo. And I want

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Speaker 2: to thank you guys for for being here and for

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Speaker 2: hearing about this. But before I let you go, is

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Speaker 2: there someplace that people can go or help out or

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Speaker 2: or where can we where can we go to see

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Speaker 2: this great work that you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Well. The first thing you can do is check out

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Speaker 4: our website, the Solutions Project dot org. And there's an

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Speaker 4: s at the end of Solutions so Best Solutions Project

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00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: dot org and you can see what we're doing, who

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Speaker 4: we're funding. So again, I raise money every single year

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Speaker 4: to resource frontline most impacted communities that are black, Indigenous immigrants, API,

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Speaker 4: LATINX and other communities of color. And we also amplify

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Speaker 4: their solutions and their vision and their values. And we

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Speaker 4: really try to disrupt the dystopian narratives around climate and

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Speaker 4: instead connect to the dreams the aspirations of frontline communities

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00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 4: because that's what's really going to help make a world

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Speaker 4: a better place. So check us out at the Solution's Project.

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Speaker 4: That's also a great site where you can see, you know,

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Speaker 4: if there's an organization that you want to get involved

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Speaker 4: in in your neighborhood. We actually have a map and

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Speaker 4: if you live in California, you can lift that up

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Speaker 4: and see which organizations are in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: That's great, that's great, that's great localizing it which is

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Speaker 2: always really.

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Speaker 4: Important, so important, and re resource over two hundred organizations

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Speaker 4: across the country. Cool, and so please donate.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'll just say this. As far as you know,

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Speaker 3: probably a lot of your listeners are very feel, very

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Speaker 3: responsible and responsive to you know cluses and the environment

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Speaker 3: and social justice and so on and so forth. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's very a lot of them probably actually give to

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Speaker 3: a lot of big organizations. The one thing I could

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Speaker 3: promise you this is that when you when you give

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Speaker 3: to this organization, the greatest percentage of your money will

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Speaker 3: end up in these communities, more than I would say

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Speaker 3: any other environmental organization. I could say that for sure,

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Speaker 3: and probably on par with the best social justice or

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Speaker 3: environmental justice groups for sure. I mean, we are probably

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Speaker 3: the best as far as getting resources, not just money,

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Speaker 3: political resources, storytelling resources. You know, my function here is

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00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: to use my privilege to lift these stories up into

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Speaker 3: the mainstream to hear from the people we never get

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00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: to hear from. That's been probably the greatest gift that

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Speaker 3: I've been given and the greatest gift that I could

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Speaker 3: give back. Thank you, Gloria. And Gloria does it, and

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Speaker 3: she buyer values. And so just as far as organizations go,

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Speaker 3: and even those small dollars, you know, we could stretch

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Speaker 3: ten dollars into one thousand dollars. That's what these communities do,

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Speaker 3: and we are the organization that's actually will make sure

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Speaker 3: they get that money. The lion's share of that money.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I know it sounds like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: these are big things, but man, even even you know,

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Speaker 3: ten dollars a monthly, twenty dollars, these these little donations

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00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: that people are giving to NRDC, and not to take

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00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: anything away from them or some of these bigger organizations.

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Speaker 3: Your money will go much farther and the return on

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Speaker 3: your money will go much farther in this organization that

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Speaker 3: so many others. So when you're taking that time to give,

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Speaker 3: you know, definitely consider what we're doing, because you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's lifting the whole country from the bottom, and

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Speaker 3: it's writing the grit eightest wrongs that the whole country

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Speaker 3: was founded on. And until we do that and heal

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Speaker 3: in that sense, you know, the rest of it, I

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Speaker 3: just don't see. It's like building your home on a faulty,

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Speaker 3: faut faulty foundation. You know, we have to write that

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Speaker 3: and then the rest of the rest of the building

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Speaker 3: squares up, it becomes straight, comes.

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Speaker 2: Whole, beautiful. I love it. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 2: for being here. Mark Ruffalo, Gloria Walton, keep up the

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Speaker 2: good work.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you man, thanks for having us that was so fun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for listening. That was a really fun

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Speaker 2: episode of six Degrees. And if you want to learn

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Speaker 2: more about the Solutions project, you can go to the

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Speaker 2: Solutionsproject dot org and that's Solutions with an s the

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: Solutions Project dot org. And you can find all the

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00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: links in our show notes. And if you like what

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