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Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the heir a Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Schell and Cold, and hope wherever you

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Speaker 1: are and wherever you are listening, you are having a

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Speaker 1: great Tuesday. Hey, I hope that it was even better

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Speaker 1: go with your partial life than Monday was. Unfortunately, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't as newsworthy today on the Braves in as it

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Speaker 1: was yesterday, and also unfortunately not as good as a

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Speaker 1: result on the field when it came to them. When

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Speaker 1: it comes to the Braves, a six wood loss for

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Speaker 1: the Cubs, but that doesn't mean we still have plenty

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Speaker 1: to talk about. It is always when it comes to

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Speaker 1: talking about the Braves, there are a few, if any

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Speaker 1: better than my podcast partner, Steven Tolbert Stephen. Good to

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Speaker 1: be with you again, sir. I hope you've had a

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Speaker 1: great day.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk some Braves, hey, buddy. Yeah, what's up man? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It was. It was an annoying game, you know. Offense

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Speaker 2: scored one run, very little in terms of like any

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Speaker 2: kind of rally. I think Acunya had the double that

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Speaker 2: Profar drove him in. I think that was their only run.

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Speaker 2: I think there was another inning where Acunya was on

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Speaker 2: third like first and third and they didn't get a

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Speaker 2: run in. But other than that, it was really not

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Speaker 2: much offense to talk about. And then, you know, Spencer

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Speaker 2: Strider we're gonna talk about kind of is the main

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Speaker 2: point of this show because he started tonight, you know,

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Speaker 2: had some interesting parts of his game. The bullpun came in,

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Speaker 2: you know, the eighth inning was just a disaster and

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Speaker 2: the Cubs end up blowing the game out. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: annoying game. Kind of a classic twenty twenty five game,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, But there's some interesting stuff with Spencer

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Speaker 2: Strider that we're gonna talk about tonight.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that starts with a new look for Spitzer Strider.

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Speaker 1: If you watched yesterday show, it's it's not that it's

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Speaker 1: a bad look, it's just a look that's going to

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Speaker 1: take probably until next year to get used to if

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Speaker 1: he's not back to his old look by the end.

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Speaker 1: But Spencer Strider started off, you know in a pretty

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Speaker 1: you know, tumultuous start to the game. You know, pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty bad spot to start the game. Bases loaded, nobody else.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that I will give Strider credit for

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Speaker 1: Steven is that, you know, about a month of six

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, we talked about the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 1: when Spencer Strider was going through what was his worst

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Speaker 1: three game stretch of his career, it was going to

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Speaker 1: have to be to the off season. We were waiting

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Speaker 1: for his off season to get here for if he

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Speaker 1: just didn't have as much velocity, as much overall elite

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Speaker 1: stuff now as he had had in the past, what

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Speaker 1: changes was he going to make his approach? And we

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Speaker 1: thought the off season was really going to be the

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Speaker 1: time that he was going to apply that. But as

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Speaker 1: mart mowaevim wib dot com has talked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: a local pitching lab in Atlanta, they've worked with Spitzer Strider.

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Speaker 1: He's made some different changes, you know, facial hair removal

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Speaker 1: And tonight, yes he had eight strikeouts. It's not leading

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Speaker 1: to the Spitzer Strider of old that is just striking

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Speaker 1: starts that stands out about Strider Steven is run prevention.

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Speaker 1: He still is seeing the ball hit hard at times,

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Speaker 1: but I do feel at the very least he's doing

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Speaker 1: it's preventing runs from crossing the plate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a couple of things. He definitely had

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Speaker 2: a he had better results tonight, right, he only gave

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Speaker 2: up two earned runs. The game started out horrible. I

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Speaker 2: think it went it went single, double, walk, single or

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Speaker 2: first inning, I remember that. But he got the sackfly

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Speaker 2: and got out of the So like he was certainly

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Speaker 2: it wasn't like smooth sailing. The thing I noticed, and

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Speaker 2: he was really really leaning on the slider to a

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Speaker 2: forty percent fastballs in like thirty seven percent sliders, you know,

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Speaker 2: He talks about the late life, the vertical break on it,

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Speaker 2: So he's having to be more creative. And this is

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Speaker 2: one of those adjustments that you can make in season.

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Speaker 2: Like you can't make a lot of mechanical adjustments in

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Speaker 2: just not possible to do that in season. You have

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Speaker 2: to do all that stuff in the offseason. But what

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Speaker 2: a change you can make in season. You can adjust,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna use more sliders I'm gonna use less

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Speaker 2: fastballs until I get this fastball to the point where

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Speaker 2: it's a competitive pitch in the strike zone. And he's

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Speaker 2: it less, quite honestly, And that's what he's done. And

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Speaker 2: was it perfect tonight? No, he still got hit decently hard.

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Speaker 2: I still a lot of base runners, but he did

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many of these changes are going

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Speaker 2: is what are his permanent changes. So you know, how

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Speaker 2: much value these things have long term is worth a

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Speaker 2: discussion and worth a debate. I don't. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: how much value any of it has. But right now

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Speaker 2: he's pitching the way he has to pitch just to

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Speaker 2: that's what he's done.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's worth noting again that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about someone who is, you know, just

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Speaker 1: it's how can I work, how can I find the

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Speaker 1: is not being effective. That fastball continues. I think he's

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Speaker 1: less his more, I think is working. But that is

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Speaker 1: the past, it was a one way approach, the most

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Speaker 1: Now it's well, I really don't have a go to

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Speaker 1: He may have to come up with being comfortable with

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Speaker 1: it's not just the overall physical approach of how Spitzer

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Speaker 1: I'm confident he'll be able to figure it out, but

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Speaker 1: right now I think he's just experimented with getting outs

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Speaker 1: we're seeing him be more effective at it than he

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Speaker 2: To go well, And yeah, you also have to think

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Speaker 2: you know, that's just a drop in twenty twenty five percent.

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Speaker 2: That is not the change that he's having to deal with.

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Speaker 2: The main change he's having to deal with is that

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Speaker 2: he was throwing one of the best pitches in baseball

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Speaker 2: sixty five percent of the time. Now he's throwing one

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Speaker 2: So it's not just neither his fastball or his slider,

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Speaker 2: percent of the time. Like that's a massive, massive adjustment.

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Speaker 2: It's not just I'm throwing my fastball less, It's I'm

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Speaker 2: throwing a lesser fastball less. And you just can't you

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Speaker 2: there is there has to be a level of hope

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Speaker 2: that when we get to next spring, the fastball has

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Speaker 2: quite honestly, if I'm being one hundred percent honest with you,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how I don't know what level he's

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Speaker 2: gonna get to unless he gets some of that back. Like,

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Speaker 2: think he can kind of do a smoke and mirrors

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Speaker 2: None of his pitches are to the level where he

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Speaker 2: can he can just have an average fastball and still

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Speaker 2: be the spitcher strider we remember, Like, the slider is good,

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Speaker 2: but it's not good enough to like it's not he

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Speaker 2: can't be his carrying pitch like and still be a

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Speaker 2: and there has to be a level of hope that

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Speaker 2: when we get to spring, some of that fastball comes back,

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Speaker 2: either the shape of it, the break of it, the

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Speaker 2: he can use it at a more comfortable level. Because

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Speaker 2: this feels a little bit like smoking mirrors what he's

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Speaker 2: be selling his low as you could sell. So they're

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Speaker 2: not moving. Like we know who's going to be in

431
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Speaker 2: the rotation if they're healthy. I just don't have any

432
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Speaker 2: confidence against stay healthy. So, you know, I don't know

433
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Speaker 2: what the total answer is, but I my honest opinion

434
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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty six pitching staff, as we said

435
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Speaker 2: here today, is I am not optimistic that A it's

436
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Speaker 2: going to stay healthy most of all and be until

437
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: we get more answers on this bullpen. I don't even

438
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Speaker 2: know how you begin to break it down.

439
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Speaker 1: And I know that many you know I mentioned you

440
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Speaker 1: know Bummer had had a down year earlier on social media.

441
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Speaker 1: I actually want to correct myself a bit. Brad Rowland

442
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Speaker 1: brought up a great point. You know, a lot of

443
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Speaker 1: you know, when you look at his overall when I

444
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Speaker 1: say he's regressed this year, Yes, the overall numbers, even

445
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: the underlying numbers, are in a worse position than they

446
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: were in twenty twenty four. But a lot of that

447
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Speaker 1: comes from the two spot starts that he made, you know,

448
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: where he got rocked and the sticker didn't manage him

449
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: that well. Aaron Bummer has actually been our most valuable

450
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Speaker 1: has been our most effective reliever in terms of underlying

451
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Speaker 1: man in high leverage situations this year. Like that's the

452
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Speaker 1: other thing that that's what gets me concerned when I'm

453
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Speaker 1: talking about, Okay, say the bullpen is healthy next year,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you really can trust this bullpen

455
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Speaker 1: to do what you need it to do to win

456
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Speaker 1: the games that you need to to get in a

457
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Speaker 1: favorable spot in the playoffs. Let alone be able to

458
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Speaker 1: win in the playoffs, and for the Braves to be

459
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Speaker 1: able to get the bullpen to that level, that money's

460
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Speaker 1: going to have to come from somewhere. So the point

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Speaker 1: that I'm getting at is is that the bullpen being

462
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Speaker 1: in a spot where there's more uncertainty about it going

463
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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty six, and there has been in previous years,

464
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Speaker 1: but there's also bigger questions across the rest of the

465
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Speaker 1: roster that are going to require money to fix. It's

466
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Speaker 1: not a favorable spot to be in. So I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but like next year, the highest

468
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Speaker 2: paid guy in the bullpen is joejoman Is at nine

469
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Speaker 2: million dollars or no, I'm sorry, the highest paid guy

470
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Speaker 2: is Aaron Bummer at nine point five. The second highest

471
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Speaker 2: game is Joe Jimenez at nine. So that's two guys

472
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Speaker 2: and Jimenez and Bummer. One Bummer maybe it's a Brian

473
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Speaker 2: Sticker thing, but they use him like a middle leverage

474
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Speaker 2: reliever for most of his time in Atlanta. I mean

475
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Speaker 2: actually for a lot of the time, they use him

476
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Speaker 2: as like a mop up reliever. So like, unless they're

477
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Speaker 2: gonna have a manager come in and use him in

478
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Speaker 2: a different way, can you pay that guy ten million

479
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Speaker 2: bucks to be you know, the fifth or sixth arm

480
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Speaker 2: in your bullpen, you can't. And then Joe Amennez is

481
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Speaker 2: making nine million dollars next year and we have no clue.

482
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Speaker 2: We have no clue what we're gonna get from him,

483
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Speaker 2: and neither does the team, And they have no way

484
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Speaker 2: of knowing what they're gonna get from him until we

485
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Speaker 2: get to the next season. And by that point it's

486
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Speaker 2: too late to add anything significant, Like they're gonna have

487
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Speaker 2: to make that determination about what Joe Jimenez is going

488
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Speaker 2: to do for them before he before they actually see it,

489
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Speaker 2: because they got to make decisions on the bullpen in

490
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Speaker 2: the off season. But they're not gonna know what jo

491
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Speaker 2: Jimenez is until we get to the regular season next year.

492
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Speaker 2: So I don't know how you do it. And on

493
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Speaker 2: top of all that, they have to find a closer somewhere.

494
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Speaker 2: You know, you know, how concerned are you by this,

495
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Speaker 2: Dylan Lee? You know fall in the second half, Pierce

496
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Speaker 2: Johnson has been solid, you know, I'm sure you know,

497
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Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson is probably the most consistent member of the

498
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Speaker 2: bullpen who I'm confident will be back next year again.

499
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Speaker 2: You know, Tyler Kinley's got this five million dollar option

500
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Speaker 2: some of the young guys have come up and have

501
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Speaker 2: looked just average in terms of their stuff. Hayden Harris

502
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Speaker 2: came in. I think he threw fifty pitches and got

503
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Speaker 2: one whiff and fifty pitches, which is not gonna work.

504
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Speaker 2: So yeah, there, the bullpen has a ton I mean,

505
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Speaker 2: you know, again, just add it to the list. The

506
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Speaker 2: bullpen just has a ton of questions. In an off

507
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Speaker 2: season that's already gonna have a ton of questions.

508
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Speaker 1: Questions on top of questions is not the way that

509
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Speaker 1: you want to answer the way you want to enter

510
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Speaker 1: an off season coming off the worst season that you've

511
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Speaker 1: had in nearly a decade. But that's you know, we've

512
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Speaker 1: we've known that for a while that was going to

513
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Speaker 1: be the position that the Braves were going to be.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, the young depth that's out there,

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Speaker 1: I know, there's a lot of intriguing depth, especially John

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Speaker 1: Corlin Slaura you know down in the binders, but you

517
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Speaker 1: know him and Mudios and Harris and her and her

518
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Speaker 1: dad is you know, yes, those guys have very intriguing

519
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Speaker 1: stuff there. It's good to see what they could do

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Speaker 1: when they're on, but what if they're off? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I don't. I can't speak to there being just a

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Speaker 1: ton of options in the bullpen right now that you

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Speaker 1: know will consistently be on as time and.

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Speaker 2: You'll, I'll say this, you'll go broke trying to depend

525
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Speaker 2: on a bullpen full of young, unproven relievers like you

526
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Speaker 2: can have one or maybe two. You're trying to win

527
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Speaker 2: a world too, though, you better have some proven veteran

528
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Speaker 2: relievers in that. I mean, you just don't. That's what

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Speaker 2: That's what Every good bull every gold bullpen in baseball

530
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Speaker 2: is made of good veteran reliever. Very rarely do you

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Speaker 2: see like the best bullpen in baseball is a bunch

532
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Speaker 2: of twenty two year olds who just came up from

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Speaker 2: Triple A. It just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's all about adjustments when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, when you're going to be relied on the

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Speaker 1: same three or four arms gave in and gave out

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Speaker 1: against one of the best playoffs or against one of

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Speaker 1: the best line ups in the game multiple times throughout

539
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. So don't be to kind of be doomsday.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that a lot of this can

541
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Speaker 1: figure itself out. A lot of this can figure itself

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Speaker 1: out from Internal improve It and also just recited by

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Speaker 1: cel Iglesias. Much easier said than dud. But the point

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Speaker 1: is you could certainly say that pitching has been our

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Speaker 1: streath over the past couple of years, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to go as far to say that's a clear

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Speaker 1: thing to bet on for twenty twenty six. But we

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Speaker 1: still got twenty twenty five to focus on it. A

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, one of the things that you know, me

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Speaker 1: and you both have alluded to. You know, it was mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know, several times across social media today. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was a straw poll that was taken through some

574
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Speaker 1: I believe, either executive level minds or significant minds in

575
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball about where the National League Rookie of

576
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Speaker 1: the Year race stood currently, and Drake Baldwin was at

577
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Speaker 1: the top of that list. With Cade Horton's second tonight,

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Speaker 1: they based off against each other for the second time

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Speaker 1: of the week. For the second time of the week,

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Speaker 1: Cain Horton got the upper hand another outstanding game. He's

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Speaker 1: a very good pitcher. Like if he were to win

582
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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, he would be deserving. I still

583
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Speaker 1: think Drake Baldwin is more deserving But the point that

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Speaker 1: I'm getting at is is that now with this game passed,

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Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin now likely going to be in the lineup

586
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Speaker 1: every day. One thing is clear. Drake Baldwin's got to

587
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Speaker 1: hit that hot one. He's got to be able to

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Speaker 1: stay consistent with Rutgerson's scoring position, getting hits against left

589
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Speaker 1: handed pitchers. He needs another hot stretch and hopefully, hopefully

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Speaker 1: the Braves will be able to put him in a

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Speaker 1: position to do that. I'll follow up with the way

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Speaker 1: they can do it here in just a moment. But

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Speaker 1: that need for a hot stretch from Drake Baldwin to

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Speaker 1: really secure the Rookie the U year, it definitely is

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Speaker 1: a bigger need than somebody think right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, the Braves have not done I mean,

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Speaker 2: the lineup has not done Drake Baldwin any favors the

598
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Speaker 2: last two games against Horton because he has thrown I

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Speaker 2: think thirteen innings and giving up one run against the

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Speaker 2: Braves and the last two starts. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: his Rookie of the Year candidacy is only looking better

602
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Speaker 2: and better. At one point I looked at the Cubs schedule.

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Speaker 2: This was a while ago, so I don't I can't

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Speaker 2: remember off like the top of my head, but I

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Speaker 2: want to say they have a relatively easy rest of

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Speaker 2: the year. I think they play I know they still

607
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Speaker 2: play Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, two offenses that are not great.

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Speaker 2: They might have the Mets in there. I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: But all that to say, I think Kate Horton's gonna

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Speaker 2: have a chance to finish pretty strongly, depending on exactly

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Speaker 2: how they line him up in those series. But Drake

612
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Speaker 2: needs to get hot. There's no doubt. I mean, even

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Speaker 2: if he gets hot, there's no guarantee he's gonna win,

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Speaker 2: because if Horton stays hot and is already the front runner,

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Speaker 2: then it doesn't matter anyways. But like you said, there

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Speaker 2: are still a lot of people in the game who

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Speaker 2: who view Baldwin as the front runner. One thing I

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Speaker 2: will say that's helping Baldwin is that more uh, Kate

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Speaker 2: Horton's peripherals, his more advanced stats don't look quite as

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Speaker 2: strong as his baseline numbers. His surface level numbers, like,

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna pass. He's probably not gonna pass Drake

622
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: Baldwin in war which a lot of people use now

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Speaker 2: like not everyone uses it, but a lot of people

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Speaker 2: do use it. So you know, his his FIP and

625
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: his ex FIP don't quite match up with his era.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't strike a ton of people out. He doesn't have

627
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Speaker 2: those like dominant games that get like featured on Sports Center.

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00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: They get your name out there where you've got eleven

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Speaker 2: strikeouts and one hit, Like he's much more of a

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: pitch to contact kind of guy. And so you know

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Speaker 2: that's gonna help Drake. But Drake needs to get hot,

632
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: like he just needs to get hot. He needs to

633
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: get hot again. He's going go on a tear. Have

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Speaker 2: some big heads, big homers. Maybe the Braids can win

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Speaker 2: some games and some in heroic fashion. Maybe get Drake's

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Speaker 2: name out there a little more. That would help a ton.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean Kate Horton's I mean he's dominated

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Speaker 2: the Bres two starts in a row.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that I think is going

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Speaker 1: to help Baldwood.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Number one, it's the fact that he's study all year long.

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Speaker 1: Horton's really come with over the past six weeks to

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Speaker 1: two months. Number Two, he's doing it as a catcher

645
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Speaker 1: like you don't usually see an offensive catcher doing things

646
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: that Drake Baldwood is doing. For instance, two of the

647
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: things that I think, you know, I mentioned to know

648
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter earlier today. I may harpo this too much,

649
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: but I think it. He's just such a great overall

650
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: aspect of Drake Baldwood's profile that he's not only productive

651
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: in area issue typically don't see young catcher's productive yet it,

652
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: but he's historically productive. Like since you know, we talk

653
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: about splits, like you know, right handers versus left handers

654
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: and all that different stuff. Those stats started being fully

655
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: tracked in nineteen sixty eight, so nearly what sixty years ago,

656
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: but since nineteen sixty eight, among rookie catchers, Drake Baldwin

657
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: is in line to have the third highest OPS with

658
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: runners in scoring position by a rookie catcher in a

659
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: season since nineteen sixty eight. He also is set to

660
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: have the highest OPS for any rookie left handed catcher

661
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: versus left handed pitching. You want to talk about two

662
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: reasons why there are so many platoons across Major League

663
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Baseball when it comes to catching, It's because those situational

664
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Speaker 1: type hitting situations where you need production, you usually don't

665
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: have catchers who can deliver it in those type of situations,

666
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: especially against quality opponents, and that's something that Drake Baldwin

667
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: has consistently done to go along with the fact his

668
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: peripherials support the good numbers that he put up. That's

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Speaker 1: what I think since the difference between double Hibbitt Horton,

670
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: but also Drake Baldwood's rookie season and recent rookie seasons

671
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: that we've seed from other rookie catchers.

672
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Speaker 2: And my big takeaway is every time I see like

673
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: they always put the first initial in the last name together.

674
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Every time I see it, it's see Horton, and so

675
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: I just want to say see Morton. Like I've almost

676
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: said Morton like twelve times in the month that we've

677
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: been talking about this guy. But yeah, Drake needs to

678
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: get hot, and his expected numbers are like if you're

679
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: trying to project forward for Drake looking at expected numbers,

680
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: looking up, you know, projections of like his twenty twenty

681
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: five season could not have gone better than it's gone

682
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: that it's gone so far. Of all the things that's

683
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: gone wrong in twenty twenty five, Drake Baldwin's season, and

684
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: especially now that we know about this Murphy injury. Like

685
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: the development of Drake Baldwin has been at godsend for

686
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: the Braves and is one of the few bright spots.

687
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: Him and Hurston Waldrop probably one two in terms of

688
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: like positive developments for the Braves in twenty twenty five.

689
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: There's probably somebody else I'm forgetting, but just off the

690
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 2: top of my head, those are like, that's the two

691
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: main things that have helped kind of bridge this miserable

692
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: year is there have been some young bright spots that

693
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: are going to play a role next year, and very

694
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: likely a large rule. I mean, I think there's a

695
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 2: world where Waldrop is playing a pretty massive role next year,

696
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: and I know there's a world where Baldwin's playing a

697
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: massive role next year. So I want him to win

698
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: the Rookie of the Year. I don't. I want the

699
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: draft pick is what I really want, But obviously I

700
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: want him to win Rookie of the Year so he

701
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: has that, you know, forever. But probably more importantly than

702
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: that is this dude looks like a cornerstone piece for

703
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: the future, and as poorly as this year is gone,

704
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: the Braves can can use as many you know, bright

705
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: spots as they can get.

706
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Speaker 1: Whatever this Brave Is team over the past thirty plus

707
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: years has been a playoff or World Series contender. They've

708
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: always had a major contributing factor, be it catcher. The

709
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: second most productive team from the catching position over the

710
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: past thirty plus years. Drake Baldwin seems ready, you know,

711
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: to carry that crown, you know, for the Braves into

712
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Speaker 1: the future. Oh and let's talk about one other thing.

713
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: Our colleague Brad Rowland gave an inspiring speech about this

714
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: subject on Sunday. But you know, we've not really mentioned it.

715
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Speaker 1: And the reason why we've not really mentioned it is

716
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: because I don't think that listeners want to see another

717
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: fifty minutes on this subject. But it's worth mentioning. We

718
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: are four games into the let's beat Ronald d'acunya lower

719
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: than at six or lower than the lineup. We're four

720
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: games into that experiment. The Braves have scored two or

721
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: less runs in three of those games, and at least

722
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: two of those games, ronald'acunya Junior has looked like the

723
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: best hitter. It's time to end the experiment. You want

724
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: to talk about us, and you want to talk about

725
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: the Braves. Putting Drake Baldwin in a position to where

726
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: you can capitalize with runners in scoring position, or if

727
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: bigot bats as often as possible, put your best hitter

728
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: in front of him. You want a reward putting Matt

729
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: Olson and putting Assy Alby's putting others up towards the

730
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: top of the lineup because they've been hitting better. Give

731
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: them opportunities to do that in by putting your best

732
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: hitter at the top of the lineup. And finally, finally,

733
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Speaker 1: when your lineup is struggling, it's best to give your

734
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: best hitter as many as bats as possible. So for

735
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: all those reasons, plus fifteen million others that I'm not

736
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: going to get into, I simply suggest one thing. The

737
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: time has come. Put your best hitter at the top

738
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Speaker 1: of the lineup.

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I haven't waited on this yet on the show,

740
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: and I'm you know, I thought Brad laid it out

741
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: pretty well. If you just even if you set aside

742
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: that this is just historically not done like you like,

743
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: I think Tipper Jones had like eight career played appearances

744
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: batting seventh, and I think five of those came in

745
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: his last season where he was, you know, not quite

746
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: the same guy. So on top of the fact that

747
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: it's just not done. Where you bat in the lineup

748
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: is a bit of a status thing in Major League Baseball,

749
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: and teams don't like to kind of embarrass their best

750
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: players by having them hit that low. Forget all that.

751
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: Put that aside, and I'm gonna actually talk about this

752
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: like it's mattal I think ronal Acunye Junior is a

753
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: lightning rod for all of this anyways, So I'm just

754
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: gonna pretend like this is Mattle. Like if this had

755
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: happened to Matt Olson during August when Matt Olson was

756
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: you know, Matdilson had his worst month in August, and

757
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: at any point Snit had decided to bat him seventh,

758
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: I would say the exact same thing I'm about to say. Now,

759
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: you build your lineups based off the law of big numbers,

760
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: which is guys are gonna go through slumps. They're gonna

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: go through many slumps, They're gonna go through medium slumps,

762
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: but the law of big numbers eventually will win out

763
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: where whoever your best hitters are consistently, if you've got

764
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: a guy that's got a nine hundred ops for his career,

765
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: you got a guy who's got a nine hundred ops

766
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: for the season like Acuna does. That's your best hitter

767
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: and even if he's in a slump, he's your on

768
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: that given night when you fill up your lineup card

769
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: and you're like, who has got the best chance of

770
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: giving me a great at bat tonight? For the Braves,

771
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: it is always Ronald Cuna Junior and Maddals. Those are

772
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: the that is one and two every night, even if

773
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: they're in slumps. Again, by the law of big numbers,

774
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: which is what you should be using to fill out

775
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: a lineup card, the best chance you have for a

776
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: great at bat is one Ronald Cuter Junior and two medals.

777
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: So that's all. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm not

778
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: gonna do a full fifteen minute run. I thought Brad

779
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: laid it out pretty well that historically is just not done.

780
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: But more than that, just logically, if you're just trying

781
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: to win, even if Ronald Cunyer Junior is in a

782
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: slump or Maddals is in a slump, that makes it

783
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: even more likely that in that game that you're about

784
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: to play, they're gonna get a hit, because that's the

785
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: law of averages. Right player has been oh for his

786
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: last ten, it's even more likely that he's gonna be

787
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: the next one to get a hit, because that's how

788
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: that's how averages work. So whether it's and again everybody,

789
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: because it's a Kunya and Snitker, it's it's become like

790
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: a lightning rod issue. Forget the name Ronald Kuna Junior.

791
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: Just think best hitters on the team, maddleson, Ronald Cueter Junior,

792
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: Chripper Jones. If they're in a slump, you still bat

793
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: them in the middle of the lineup, at the top

794
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: of the lineup, because those guys are gonna give you

795
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: the best chance of having great at bats because they

796
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: are your best hitters. It's just that simple. Now, do

797
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: these games matter? No, these games do not matter. No

798
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: one cares who if the Braves winner lose the next month.

799
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: But again, if Snid will tell you he's still trying

800
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: to win game. He every night, He's still trying to

801
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: win games. If you're still trying to win the game,

802
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: put your best hitters at the top of the lineup,

803
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: middle lineup, wherever Stoll bat him seven. That's crazy. And

804
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: there's a reason Chipper Jones, despite going through slumps in

805
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: his career basically never batted Steven. You just don't do

806
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: that to your best hitters, nor should you. It doesn't

807
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: make any sense, So snit, Betterer, best hitters Matt Olson

808
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: ron Jr. Always need to be at the top or

809
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of the lineup, even if they're slumping.

810
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: Topper middle and your most consistent hitters as well, right,

811
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: And it's instant offense. You know that energy that you're

812
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: talking about. It's so much more effective with a Cunya

813
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: batty before your other better hitters than batting behind them

814
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: because he's on base.

815
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: And I do I do want to say, like Acunya

816
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: has been in a slump. There's no one arguing that

817
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: one hundred percent he's been in a slump. But even

818
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: when got like again when Maddilson was going through his

819
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: full like month long slump in August, when Austin Riley

820
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: has been going through a slump for like two years,

821
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: if any point, Austin rally been batting seventh in the

822
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 2: last two years, I've been like, snit, what are we doing?

823
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: Like this is not People think it's a Ronald Acuna

824
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: junior thing because of his name, and he's just a

825
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: lightning Rod for any issue. This has nothing to do

826
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Speaker 2: with a Kunya. This is bat your best hitters, whoever

827
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: they are, at the top or in the middle of

828
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: the order, because that those guys give you the best

829
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: even if they're slumping. Honestly, especially if they're slumping, because

830
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: that means they're due. They're they're like Ronald Cotter Junior

831
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: was due for a couple of hits tonight because he

832
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: hasn't had one in like two weeks. He was more

833
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: due for those two hits than anybody else in the

834
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: lineup because he's the best hitter in the lineup. So

835
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: even when they're slumping, especially when they're slumping, put them

836
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: in the top of the order. Put them in the middle,

837
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: or whether it's Akunya Olsen, right, whoever your best hitters are,

838
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: Just put them in the top of the lineup.

839
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the end of the day, it get

840
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: to your point they can break out at any time.

841
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Tonight it's a perfect example. Your offense was basically shut

842
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: down back Katee Horton at the Cubs and who had

843
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: the best of bets ronaldkun And.

844
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: But and I'll say this as what even if you

845
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: are like, well, we need to use small samples to one.

846
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: If you do that, you're gonna be changing the lineup

847
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: every two weeks, which no manager does. Two Okay, let's

848
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: say you want to go buy small samples. Michael Harris

849
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: as like a five WRC plus over the last like

850
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: three or four weeks. He's batting ahead of Akunya right now. Like,

851
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: there's no continuation of logic here, you know, just use

852
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: the law of big numbers. It's just a much easier,

853
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: much more consistent way of setting line if you're not

854
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: always trying to chase the hot streak or dodge the

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Speaker 2: cold streak. Oh this guy's got a two week hot street.

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Speaker 2: Let's move him up. Oh god, now he's cold it.

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Speaker 2: Let's move like you'll be chasing that you're Just use

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Speaker 2: the law of big numbers. I swear it's a lot easier.

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Speaker 1: And just a simple logic of allow for your best

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Speaker 1: interest to get the most at bats. But yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: we could sing this from the mountain top, and it's

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Speaker 1: not as if the people that matter are going to listen.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that stands out to me is that

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Speaker 1: at some point in time we should see him back

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Speaker 1: at the top of the order. And I do think

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Speaker 1: that that's going to be a benefit to the Brave

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Speaker 1: Steven anything else from you as we wrap up this

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Speaker 1: edition of the Hebit Territory podcast.

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Speaker 2: Note Chris sal Tomorrow, I'll say this, and people are

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Speaker 2: talking about on Twitter right now. That's why I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: If you've been watching the games, it has become pretty

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Speaker 2: sad that like the opposing teams are getting more fan

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Speaker 2: fair at Braves home game, like tonight's game felt like

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Speaker 2: it cuts like it was like a Cubs game, Like

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Speaker 2: there was more cheers for when the Cubs did well.

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Speaker 2: Attendance has obviously fallen off because the team sucks, but

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Speaker 2: you know it would be it would be great if

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Speaker 2: like I'm gonna go to I'm going to the game

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Speaker 2: on Friday. I know the team has been terrible, but

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Speaker 2: you know we still do want to like support them

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Speaker 2: a little. I know people are like, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to give any money to ownership. I get that, and

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Speaker 2: the owners didn't do great in terms of spending money

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Speaker 2: this past offseason. But it has been tough watching the

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Speaker 2: games the last couple of nights or on this homestand

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Speaker 2: where like the opposing team is getting way louder cheers

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Speaker 2: than the home team at the moment. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know if there's anything can be done about that. The

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Speaker 2: team sucks. It is what it is, but I just

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Speaker 1: Hey, one thing that you can do is you can

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Speaker 1: put out there a raffle one lucky fan. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to make out the lineup card for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the year, and there's a good chance they'll make a

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Speaker 1: more effective lineup card out than the Brains are currently

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Speaker 1: doing right now. I love Brian Sticker. I will always

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Speaker 1: love Brian Snicker. That is certainly clear. But this is

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Speaker 1: just one of those decisions where just nothing supports it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. But to that point, can't thank you enough

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Heerial on the Here a Territory podcast.

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