Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the always dapper,
Speaker 1: the always smooth, and the always serenading Michael Boublay. Michael
Speaker 1: Boublay has sold more than seventy five million albums worldwide
Speaker 1: over the course of his extraordinary career. Now let me
Speaker 1: break this down. Five Grammys, a star on the Hollywood
Speaker 1: and Canada Walk of Fame, six multi platinum albums, over
Speaker 1: fourteen billion global streams. You know what, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: stop there, Otherwise I will be reciting his accolades for
Speaker 1: the next twenty four hours because there are so many.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, he has made a tremendous impact in
Speaker 1: music and pop culture. But what I love about Boublay
Speaker 1: is that his voice his instrument. It can do at all.
Speaker 1: He sings pop, swing, jazz, R and B, and he
Speaker 1: takes his audiences on a special journey with every song
Speaker 1: he performs. He feels his music so deeply, and that
Speaker 1: is evident every time you watch him, and the guy
Speaker 1: is all heart. But what is also evident is that
Speaker 1: Michael has exceptional taste. Yes he does. He recently launched
Speaker 1: Fraser and Thompson, an elegantly blended North American whiskey brand.
Speaker 1: And today Michael invited me to sip some whiskey and
Speaker 1: dive into his latest venture. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: the whiskey is good. We chat all about the sweet
Speaker 1: story behind the name Fraser and Thompson, who he would
Speaker 1: love to sit down and have a cocktail with, and
Speaker 1: the moment Cher called him to work with him and
Speaker 1: recreate one of his most iconic songs. So let's see
Speaker 1: if today we can get Michael Boublay to say something
Speaker 1: that he's never said before. Michael Boublay, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining me today.
Speaker 2: How are you. I'm really good, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I am so happy you are here. I see a
Speaker 1: beautiful bottle of whiskey in front of me. It's calling
Speaker 1: my name. You poured me a glass.
Speaker 2: What time is it right now?
Speaker 1: It's nine thirty. It's not relevant.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a good time in the morning. Relevant.
Speaker 1: You even to blow up my spot, all right, So
Speaker 1: first of all, cheers to you. This is your new endeavor,
Speaker 1: thever we go.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Let's have a sip.
Speaker 2: Let's check it out. M oh man, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Oh man, don't you know what? I know. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be kind and you're gonna be courteous, but
Speaker 2: be really honest with me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a huge whiskey drinker. I'm Italian.
Speaker 1: I drink a lot of wine, getting more and more
Speaker 1: into whiskey, and I gotta say it's smooth and it
Speaker 1: doesn't burn. Why do so many whiskeys burn?
Speaker 2: That is because they're fancy, I swear to man, that's
Speaker 2: what's Listen, real connoisseurs of great whiskeys. Somebody who loved
Speaker 2: doing poppyvan Winkle at three thousand bucks a bottle, Well,
Speaker 2: they love that. They love that burn. You know, I
Speaker 2: never did. I liked a more excess whiskey. I always
Speaker 2: like whiskey, but I liked that a little bit more
Speaker 2: smooth than the sweeter flavor at the end, A little
Speaker 2: bit of sweet at the end, not too sweet. B Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the truth is this all started on my birthday,
Speaker 2: where a fellow named Paul Circa who had a distillery
Speaker 2: in Montreal, a little boutique distillery, and he had called
Speaker 2: my manager and said, we'd love Mike to be the
Speaker 2: face of this thing. And my manager said, listen, Mike,
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if it's a big enough
Speaker 2: business for you to do that. And so my birthday
Speaker 2: I was having drinks and I loved it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I knew it was great quality. And I said to
Speaker 2: my wife, you know what, Lou, what if you and
Speaker 2: I do something where we joined forces kind of artistically creatively,
Speaker 2: And what if we buy we'd become a part owner
Speaker 2: of this distillery. And that is really where it started.
Speaker 2: And so we became part owners. Had no idea what
Speaker 2: we were doing. And then a fellow named Larry Roof
Speaker 2: out of Las Vegas, out of Southern Glacier, was a
Speaker 2: big distributor. He said, you know, Mike, why don't you
Speaker 2: go and meet with Shelley Stein, who worked for West Brands.
Speaker 2: And I went to go meet Shelley. I was working
Speaker 2: with Lauren Michaels on the SNL SAT and I went
Speaker 2: to go see Shelley, and Shelley said, you know, Mike,
Speaker 2: I think you got the right brand for this, the
Speaker 2: personality you obviously like the whiskey. Why don't we try something.
Speaker 2: And so we made a deal with Southern Glaziers and
Speaker 2: we went to a beautiful place called heaven Hill, which
Speaker 2: is a beautiful whiskey one hundred year old company that
Speaker 2: out of Kentucky earned a very famous whiskey makers, and
Speaker 2: first time, you know, for one hundred years, that family
Speaker 2: allowed someone else in and we started Fraser and Thompson,
Speaker 2: which was a mix of that Montreal Distilleries whiskey bourbon
Speaker 2: with the Heaven Hill Whiskey bourbon. So we have this
Speaker 2: beautiful North American whiskey and listen, man, I lost control.
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be this little, fun little thing
Speaker 2: with my wife, and it's turned into something that it's
Speaker 2: a lot bigger and a lot more ambitious. But the
Speaker 2: truth is it's been fun. It really has like we're
Speaker 2: having a kick out of doing it. And I think
Speaker 2: what you said when I first walked in, you said
Speaker 2: to me, this new challenge, new endeavor. And I think
Speaker 2: twenty years writing records, promoting the record, and touring the record,
Speaker 2: and there's been it's been cyclical over and over again.
Speaker 2: Twenty years yeah, doing the same thing. And by the way,
Speaker 2: ten years before that, of playing nightclubs and bars and
Speaker 2: everything else, it was really fun to go. You know what,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be maybe I can try being
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur and not taking myself too seriously, but try
Speaker 2: to do this thing. And more than anything, was an
Speaker 2: idea and a way for my wife and I to
Speaker 2: have a deeper connection. So wow, here I am man.
Speaker 1: Were you always a whiskey drinker or he's always ask drink? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You were? Yeah? Okay, all right. I wasn't much of
Speaker 2: a beer guy, not much of a wine guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. My wife like wine, but I liked
Speaker 2: you know, someone was saying to me recently that they
Speaker 2: liked the they liked the direct road. You know. I
Speaker 2: like having a few pops with my buddies and my family. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't you know, I love having a nice
Speaker 2: little buzz and I don't love sometimes taking eight beers
Speaker 2: to get there.
Speaker 1: No, I get it, because I get it.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of little glasses of whiskey and I'm
Speaker 2: a happy boy.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about the name. I know it
Speaker 1: has sentimental meaning to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you were talking to me about your heritage,
Speaker 2: about your grandparents, and you know, I'm a really proud
Speaker 2: Canadian of Italian extraction, and our family's just really close.
Speaker 2: My grandpa and Grandma Nona. Nona were just a tight
Speaker 2: part of our family. And the reason that I'm here
Speaker 2: sitting in this chair across from you is because I
Speaker 2: had a grandpa who loved the music of the big band.
Speaker 2: He loved the thirties and forties, fift he loved Sinatra
Speaker 2: and Dino, I mean, all the time is Tony Bennett
Speaker 2: and I loved it. And it was one of those
Speaker 2: things where it was like not just enough, where you
Speaker 2: just love your grandpa because you both love hockey and
Speaker 2: you love each other, and you know, just we just
Speaker 2: had a really great connection. But he used to make wine,
Speaker 2: his homemade wine, and it was like the hit of
Speaker 2: the neighborhood. And he'd make grandpa and put cherries in
Speaker 2: and this basically moonshine. And so when I came up
Speaker 2: with this whiskey and I knew we were going to
Speaker 2: do this, I wanted to pay tribute to him. So
Speaker 2: my grandpa was a plumber for fifty years, but he
Speaker 2: really wanted to be a geography teacher and he used
Speaker 2: to it was fascinated with the world, and he used
Speaker 2: to take his camping and we'd go up to where
Speaker 2: the Mighty Fraser and the glacier Thompson met in this
Speaker 2: beautiful confluence. They built a gondol over it now. But
Speaker 2: when I thought about this mix of North American whistkey,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, talk about paying tribute
Speaker 2: to this dude that is my everything. We will call
Speaker 2: it Fraser and Thompson, F and ty and and it
Speaker 2: all just you know, in a marketing way, it just
Speaker 2: it was perfect. It was one of those ideas where
Speaker 2: you just go, oh, yeah, that's this is easy, and
Speaker 2: it's cool because even on the bottle, there's these little
Speaker 2: some of these little easter eggs, you know, like here
Speaker 2: at the very top, that's nineteen twenty seven, the year
Speaker 2: he was born. And here I've got I pretend it's
Speaker 2: a serial number, but it's not. It's my birthday, nine
Speaker 2: nine seventy five. Wow. So there's all these cool little
Speaker 2: easter eggs, and you can see where the Fraser and
Speaker 2: the Thompson meet here.
Speaker 1: So it's a deeply personal adventure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it really, it really is. And it's you know,
Speaker 2: I hope that I don't sun crass when I say this,
Speaker 2: but I've been really lucky in my life. I've been
Speaker 2: really fortunate. I've had great success in my business, and
Speaker 2: it's really nice not to make decisions based on finance.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you feel the same way about your life.
Speaker 2: When you make decisions based on monetary goals, things just
Speaker 2: go wrong really quickly, and even when you don't mean
Speaker 2: for them to, there's a purity that's lost. And so
Speaker 2: it's a really nice thing to you know, by the way,
Speaker 2: this is a lot of pressing the flesh. It's me
Speaker 2: going to you know, to different companies and meeting you know, me,
Speaker 2: your contributors, and you know, it's my I own the company,
Speaker 2: you know, my wife and I.
Speaker 1: It's not just a face in it.
Speaker 2: And we took three years to make sure that we
Speaker 2: could reverse engineer whiskey for people that might not love whiskey,
Speaker 2: you know. And and I sort of wanted to bust
Speaker 2: all the tropes. I didn't want to sit in a
Speaker 2: leather chair and and try to be mister smooth. I
Speaker 2: wanted to, you know, I wanted to you know, our
Speaker 2: whole brand was about easy. Now the world's got nuts,
Speaker 2: you know, and there's so much divisions, so much to fighter,
Speaker 2: or how about we just chill, have a nice glass
Speaker 2: of whiskey and get along for a second.
Speaker 1: And we keep bringing up the idea of this being
Speaker 1: your new en Denver, and obviously you're a pro in
Speaker 1: the music space, So how is creating this whiskey different
Speaker 1: or similar to creating music?
Speaker 2: For you? Was just so similar because I don't really
Speaker 2: I know nothing about it. And the truth is, I
Speaker 2: don't know much about music. I never oh, come on,
Speaker 2: well listen, I know what I know, I know what
Speaker 2: I like. But I never went to school. You know.
Speaker 2: I write all those songs that you hear, and even
Speaker 2: the arrangements when you hear feeling good or sway, that's
Speaker 2: me sitting down and singing out those parts. But I
Speaker 2: never learned music theory. I still can't read music. It's
Speaker 2: funny because people hear that and they go, well, if
Speaker 2: you can't read music, you know, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people can't read music. Paul mcarr and he can't read
Speaker 2: music or doesn't. But it was the same. When I
Speaker 2: say it was the same, it's because you don't have
Speaker 2: to know logistically what you're doing when you're mixing notes.
Speaker 2: These things feel good essentially, and I think you're creating
Speaker 2: a vibe. And with this and the profile, it was
Speaker 2: mixing flavors that I really liked. It's the same as
Speaker 2: mixing notes that I really like. When I write a song,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it really is, and you
Speaker 2: come up with this harmony that works for you. And
Speaker 2: it helped too that when I songwrite many times, I
Speaker 2: know what I want Conceptually. You know I'm going to
Speaker 2: write a I'm going to write a love song that
Speaker 2: is about having your heart broken. And once I go
Speaker 2: in that direction, I know I know where I'm going,
Speaker 2: I know what it is. And this wasn't me trying
Speaker 2: to come up with a three thousand dollars bottle of
Speaker 2: a whiskey. It was me saying, I want to create
Speaker 2: something that is accessible that gives you. My dad talks
Speaker 2: all the time, but value. My dad talks about My
Speaker 2: dad talks about value. You call him frugal if you want,
Speaker 2: or but he does. Even in my concerts, you know,
Speaker 2: my commage or the tickets, do you think for that
Speaker 2: amount people are experiencing value for their dollar spend. And
Speaker 2: He'll say to me, because if they do, they will
Speaker 2: come back over and over again. The moment that they
Speaker 2: don't feel they've got value, they're gone. They will disappear
Speaker 2: from your life. And so for me, I was really
Speaker 2: lucky that the people that I was working with, my partners,
Speaker 2: they understood the assignment, which was, let's make a gorgeous
Speaker 2: whiskey that is really flavorful, that's a yummy that you
Speaker 2: can walk into a party with a three thousand dollars
Speaker 2: bottle of whiskey and I can walk in with F
Speaker 2: and T and you'll go and you know, the whiskey
Speaker 2: drinker will go, yeah, man, I'll try that. And I
Speaker 2: wasn't going for the high you know, I wasn't going
Speaker 2: for some high falutin thing. I wanted to make accessible
Speaker 2: whiskey that gave value for flavor.
Speaker 1: But man, quality doesn't have to be expensive, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, right, So this is priced at what twenty?
Speaker 2: It's thirty five bucks?
Speaker 1: Thirty five bucks? I mean, come on, come on, how
Speaker 1: do you beat that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That must be very absolutely. I mean, I love
Speaker 2: this sweater and I think it's forty bucks.
Speaker 1: So it's a good sweater. You look pretty dapper. You
Speaker 1: look pretty dapper in that. Can you give me the
Speaker 1: name of that one?
Speaker 2: Later? We were talking about it this morning when I
Speaker 2: got ready, and it was like you're gonna wear a
Speaker 2: suit and I was like, no, it's too early.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's amazing, man. So if you could
Speaker 1: have a glass of this with anyone right now, let's
Speaker 1: see two people, someone living and someone who's passed on
Speaker 1: to the other side. Who would you sit down and
Speaker 1: share this amazing glass of windy.
Speaker 2: I'm really honest right now because all I have is
Speaker 2: now it's you. I'm really happy to be sitting with
Speaker 2: you having this class, and I'm glad you're not dead.
Speaker 2: And the person that i'd love to sit down with
Speaker 2: is my grandpa. And because because I miss him every
Speaker 2: single day, every minute of the day, everything good happens
Speaker 2: to me, my first thought is.
Speaker 1: To call him.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, man, my happiness was, you know
Speaker 2: what's weird. I know we love our we love our family,
Speaker 2: we love our mom and dad. But every once in
Speaker 2: a while, and you may not say it out loud
Speaker 2: because you don't want to play favorites, but we have favorites.
Speaker 2: There are people that just you just click. And that
Speaker 2: was what that was for me. Every time the Vancouver
Speaker 2: Canucks won a hockey game or I got a break
Speaker 2: where hey get they called You're going to be on
Speaker 2: Leno or you know you're going to open for Dion
Speaker 2: Warwick or you know that was the very literally two six,
Speaker 2: that was the number. And I wish he was here.
Speaker 2: What I love is here.
Speaker 1: He is here, He's with us. And what I love
Speaker 1: about you, man, is your heart. And I feel that
Speaker 1: in your music. You have so much soul. You write
Speaker 1: with passion, you write with your truth, and if you
Speaker 1: don't know, we see that in all of the artists
Speaker 1: in today's world. And I think that's something that you
Speaker 1: have had such success with. It's connecting with people and
Speaker 1: making us feel something. And even when you talk about
Speaker 1: this beautiful bottle of whiskey that I'm touching and looking at,
Speaker 1: I feel what you're talking about. And that's a gift
Speaker 1: you have, man.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And I wish I could tell you I
Speaker 2: was I'm this great. If you met my sisters, or
Speaker 2: my mom and dad, or if you met my grandma
Speaker 2: and grandpa, you'd understand who I am, and you probably
Speaker 2: like them all more than you like me. The truth,
Speaker 2: so where you know many times listen, it's funny because
Speaker 2: I have friends that have not had what I've had,
Speaker 2: and they've turned out to be really marvelous human beings.
Speaker 2: And I have one of my best friends. It's just
Speaker 2: not been an easy life. He's just not He just
Speaker 2: he didn't get lucky. You know. Dad left early, Mom
Speaker 2: passed away, brother left as well. And he has a
Speaker 2: million reasons and a million excuses to why he could
Speaker 2: be terrible, unhappy, bitter human being. And he has made
Speaker 2: the decision to strive for greatness. And I don't mean
Speaker 2: in business, I mean and just as a human being.
Speaker 2: And and so we all you know, I'm just really
Speaker 2: lucky that, you know, I had this incredible support, Like
Speaker 2: even man, I was sixteen fifteen when I told them
Speaker 2: I want to be a singer, and you know how
Speaker 2: many parents would go, you know, oh Jesus, it wants
Speaker 2: to be a singer. And it was like my parents went, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's buy him a mic and an
Speaker 2: ab and they would come to every show, every shopping mall,
Speaker 2: every busking thing that I did, every cruise ship, every
Speaker 2: I mean dude that my mom used to used to
Speaker 2: do these theater events. And my mom would take old records,
Speaker 2: you know, the ascetates, and she would melt them into
Speaker 2: a bowl and then she would make like a little
Speaker 2: gift bag. And then she you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's been a family It's been a family fair from
Speaker 2: the beginning. So I'm a lucky boy.
Speaker 1: I know that concept is super important to you. And
Speaker 1: you talked about family a lot today and where you're
Speaker 1: from and your roots even earlier before we were recording.
Speaker 1: And I have to bring up the home version with Share. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because man, that is epic. How did that happen? She
Speaker 1: just called you and said, yeah, I have a song,
Speaker 1: let's record it.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, it's funny. It happened because we
Speaker 2: have people in our lives that are mutual friends, and
Speaker 2: it's been no joke twenty years of them saying to me,
Speaker 2: you need to meet Schaer. You need to work with Share,
Speaker 2: you need to hang with Share, you need to know
Speaker 2: Share Share, and you would love each other, Sharon, you
Speaker 2: would laugh your ass off together. And then to her,
Speaker 2: they were going, you need to meet this booblet guy,
Speaker 2: this booblet you know, she was Share. So I mean
Speaker 2: I imagine she was going, okay, And and I think
Speaker 2: that it wasn't a surprise for all of those people
Speaker 2: that we would meet and that we would establish this
Speaker 2: really great chemistry and connection. She's just I mean, she's amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean every the truth is. I mean, she's just real.
Speaker 2: She's unapologetic about who she is. I think I don't
Speaker 2: think she thinks it's a big deal that she share.
Speaker 2: I think if you put a truth serum into her
Speaker 2: arm and you said, like, oh my god, your share,
Speaker 2: she'd say yeah. And you know, and but she's it's
Speaker 2: funny man, when they called and you know. And I
Speaker 2: did an interview about this the other day. Listen, I
Speaker 2: made a Christmas record many years ago, and I meant it.
Speaker 2: I didn't make a Christmas record. I should clarify. I
Speaker 2: made a Michael Boublet record and I love Christmas. And
Speaker 2: that that I think people kind of like they couldn't
Speaker 2: articulate or express why they felt it was genuine. But
Speaker 2: then you like, oh my god. Actually people used to
Speaker 2: ask me and say, wow, you're making a Christmas record,
Speaker 2: and literally in the studio, I'd go, no, I'm making
Speaker 2: the Christmas record. Oh I like. I just loved it.
Speaker 2: I like, And I think I think she did the
Speaker 2: same thing. And I think when her and I got together,
Speaker 2: I realized quickly how ambitious she was. I realized she
Speaker 2: wasn't making a Christmas album. She was making a share album.
Speaker 2: And it was cute because here she is, this veteran,
Speaker 2: this beautiful, you know, full of light woman, and she
Speaker 2: is like fifteen years old. She was on the phone
Speaker 2: playing me all the songs over and over again, and
Speaker 2: oh my god, listen and I love this one. Listen
Speaker 2: to Darling Love, and oh, you know that I used
Speaker 2: to sing when I was a kid. I used to
Speaker 2: do the backout rack round things, and and oh my god, Stevie,
Speaker 2: I called Stevie. Stevie actually answered, and you're going, well,
Speaker 2: of course he answered, your share. But she's still genuinely,
Speaker 2: you know, like excited. And so every dude about September
Speaker 2: of every single year the last thirteen years, you know,
Speaker 2: or many of the biggest celebrities that we know start
Speaker 2: to call me and they start to say, I have
Speaker 2: an idea. We should do a duet or let's do
Speaker 2: a Christmas thing, And I say, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: you know, I you know, I really appreciate you thinking
Speaker 2: to me. But I love Christmas, but I want Christmas.
Speaker 2: I want Christmas for my baby. I went Christmas from it,
Speaker 2: and so I say no. I have said no to
Speaker 2: five different gigantic, iconic acts. But when Share called, there
Speaker 2: was I mean, are you kidding me? You just say yes?
Speaker 2: And then the fact that she said, like, we're thinking
Speaker 2: about singing the song home that I wrote, and it
Speaker 2: was like I met like I was talking to Elvis
Speaker 2: Durant about it, and my mom. I have sung with
Speaker 2: the most amazing artists in the universe, like you know,
Speaker 2: the ones, all of the ones that we love. I
Speaker 2: have been blessed to have a moment with them. My
Speaker 2: mother lost her mind that like none other. It was Share, like,
Speaker 2: you're doing this with the Share So I don't even
Speaker 2: know what to say. I imagine you do it too,
Speaker 2: But there continue to be so many moments where I
Speaker 2: just go, how is this happening? What is happening? And
Speaker 2: never gets old.
Speaker 1: Well, man, you should be so proud. There's there's so
Speaker 1: much you should be celebrating. As we wrap up this conversation,
Speaker 1: the name of the show is I've never said this before,
Speaker 1: so I'm curious to is there something you can think
Speaker 1: of that you've never said before, Whether it's silly or
Speaker 1: deep or whatever it can be. I know you're an
Speaker 1: open book man, is there that comes to mind?
Speaker 2: Can I have both?
Speaker 1: You cannot both?
Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things you've probably never
Speaker 2: heard me say, or I'd never have said, is I
Speaker 2: cannot wait to go to the gym tomorrow. That one,
Speaker 2: and I think the other is, you know the world,
Speaker 2: the world could use more cynical people.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, well said my man.
Speaker 2: Well said a pleasure. Man.
Speaker 1: Cheers to you, Happy holidays.
Speaker 2: Happy holidays.
Speaker 1: And I'll be drinking some whiskey now, thanks man.
Speaker 2: I hope you'll And you know what, if you're not
Speaker 2: the guy that likes it straight like this, just pour
Speaker 2: a little but of the bottle, mix a little brown
Speaker 2: sugar and water, maybe crush a little bit of orange
Speaker 2: juice or orange bubbly and it's like a new old
Speaker 2: fashioned it. I mean, that's what I do. I love it.
Speaker 2: Put in the freezer and it's also like a big
Speaker 2: ball ice and and enjoy yourself.
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