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Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: We have made it to Friday on a week that

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Speaker 2: has felt like a heavy lift. Finally, here Bris Brown

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you on a Friday edition of One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. It's been a busy week for reasons that

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Speaker 2: we're probably not widely anticipated at the outset on Monday,

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Speaker 2: but that's when the shoe drops on the firing of

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Speaker 2: Sean mcdermotty. Here we are four days later and the

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Speaker 2: interview process is picking up steam quickly. Today.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's in Florida interview in these guys. Yeah, and I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday that I thought, yeah, they probably bring

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Speaker 1: Josh in for the finalist when they kind of narrow

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Speaker 1: it down. Apparently he's sitting on and everything. And then

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Speaker 1: I thought about it. There's no way he didn't come

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Speaker 1: in and say hi to Brian Dabele when he was

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Speaker 1: here yesterday, right they were in Buffalo, And I thought,

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Speaker 1: and it made sense to me after that that well,

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Speaker 1: if he if he was in sitting in on the

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Speaker 1: interview with day Ball, he's got to sit on the rest.

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Speaker 2: Of them later in the day yesterday you can't.

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Speaker 1: You got to sit in on the rest of them.

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Speaker 2: Then he's on the PJ flying up Florida. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean he's down there. For that.

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Speaker 1: You can't because if you if he if you keep

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Speaker 1: Josh out of a couple of these or any of them,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that guy's not really a serious contender,

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Speaker 1: is he? Or a serious candidate.

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Speaker 2: I guess he's not perceived to be here.

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Speaker 1: Not perceived to be and that world. That'll so I guess, wow,

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Speaker 1: the next couple of.

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Speaker 2: Weeks at tied up. Yes, so we'll just jump right

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Speaker 2: into it. A couple of new names have been added

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Speaker 2: to the Bill's list of candidates for head coach. Buffalo

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Speaker 2: will be interviewing former Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel, even

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Speaker 2: though he has reportedly accepted the job of defensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: with the LA Chargers or off defensive coordinator sorry with

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Speaker 2: the LA Chargers. McDaniel is being interviewed today at Terry

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Speaker 2: Pagoola's home in West Palm Beach. Also interviewing today, per reports,

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Speaker 2: is former quarterback Philip Rivers, who came out of retirement

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Speaker 2: to play three games late this season for the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 2: Rivers has coached a high school team the last few

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Speaker 2: years in his native Alabama, but obviously has a depth

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Speaker 2: of knowledge from his eighteen years as a quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, Rivers won two hundred and forty seven games

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Speaker 2: in his NFL career. Looking at how often this has happened,

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Speaker 2: which is basically, a former player becomes an NFL head

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Speaker 2: coach without any prior college or professional coaching experience. Jeff

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Speaker 2: Saturday in twenty twenty two when he got hired as

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Speaker 2: interim coach by the Colts in or no prior college

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Speaker 2: or pro coaching experience. Then you have to go all

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Speaker 2: the way back to Norm van Brocklin in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 2: one as the last person to be hired as a

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Speaker 2: Vikings and Falcons over fourteen seasons, we have seen this

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Speaker 2: happen more recently in the college ranks. Deon Sanders to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but not at the pro level.

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Speaker 2: Here's and there's a recruiting element that would make those

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Speaker 2: former prorams. It's a differ attractive. At the college level.

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Speaker 1: It's a different job. Coaching a top flight college football team,

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Speaker 1: whatever you call it, college football playoffs, CFP game, coaching

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Speaker 1: in IL aside, it's way different, way different. It's a

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Speaker 1: I think that transition within IL. It has become more

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Speaker 1: players now are quote unquote pros. It's hard to do.

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Speaker 1: Think about this, Philip Rivers had think about he knows

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Speaker 1: the x's and o's, the offensive stuff. He seventeen years

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Speaker 2: Probably, but there's sleep.

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Speaker 1: But there's a million things about coaching an NFL team,

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Speaker 3: This is.

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Speaker 2: I was joking with Steve as Antonio Gates going to

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is fame and it has become two

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Speaker 1: You've got to it's more common today in the NFL

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only time you see the sun is when

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Speaker 1: That's right, and Philip rivers it's an apprenticeship business, right.

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Speaker 1: You come up to quality control, you learn how all

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Speaker 1: the great ones do it. You go to different staffs,

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Speaker 1: because everybody gets fired, as we've seen this week. You

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Speaker 1: There you have it. Philip Rivers is not any of that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: He knows what a good team looks like. Ye, he

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Speaker 2: And knows what a good offensive game plan looks like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's everything.

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Speaker 2: Everything else is an unknown.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's what's the culture going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the people that play with him say

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Speaker 2: he is a natural, authentic leader. And I think we

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Speaker 2: all have agreed that the number one job requirement of

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Speaker 2: an NFL head coach is to be a leader of men.

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Speaker 2: So based on the leadership position of playing quarterback, you

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Speaker 2: would assume he has the capability to do that. You

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Speaker 2: don't know that definitively, when you're the quarterback of an offense,

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Speaker 2: I mean? Like, I don't know, it's I think there's

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Speaker 2: a slight nuanced difference from leading a team as a

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Speaker 1: It's different. Yeah, so it's but it also Wills and

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Speaker 2: One can cater to the other, but it's still different.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they're talking to Mike McDaniel, who whose

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Speaker 2: His defensive mutiny that got Fangio bounce exactly.

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Speaker 1: And then Philip Rivers, who is a you know, kind

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Speaker 1: Two young coaches, established coaches, plus the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, another guy that's almost like but a little

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Speaker 1: bit different than Sean McDermott. Right, So I think that's

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Speaker 1: an I think Philip rivers candidacy is an illustration of that.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the weekend interview schedule for the Bills

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Speaker 2: looks like this. On Saturday, Commander's run game coordinator Anthony

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Speaker 2: On Sunday, Jaguars offensive coordinator Grant Yudinsky will interview the athletics.

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Speaker 2: Diana Rassini is reporting that Josh Allen is sitting in

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Speaker 2: as part of every interview that's taken place or will

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know if that is unprecedented that a

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Speaker 2: does underscore the importance the Bills organization has placed on

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Speaker 2: making sure every angle of the candidate's abilities and a

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you can say otherwise. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 2: they lose five games? If the head coaches asked that

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Speaker 1: He said, right there, we were counting on Josh and

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Speaker 1: They live in it and they thrive in it. Josh

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Speaker 1: would think, because you're right, there's a group dynamic there

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Speaker 1: to say like what.

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Speaker 2: Is like, how is there of question asked, what do

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Speaker 2: you believe is the best way for Josh Allen to

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, to me, that would be a question that

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Speaker 2: and Yudinsky, who's interviewing with the Bills on Sunday, is

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Speaker 5: Thank you? Just a couple things. How didn't McDermott sign

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Speaker 2: Well, he does unless he has another job, unless he

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, And I'm just wondering, does anybody I didn't

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he did say in the press conference

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Speaker 6: So bear with me because I'm stretching really far here.

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Speaker 6: Okay, growing up, I love the Bills, but growing up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's only about twenty ifs in that scenario. So

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it too. Everybody has this idea, and

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Speaker 1: is well connected enough to go out and get and

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Speaker 1: cherry pick the best staff available that they could possibly get. Yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: all that's fun to think about. But we're not there yet.

438
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Speaker 1: That's all I can say. We don't even know who

439
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Speaker 1: the guy's gonna be. And it's gonna be who impresses

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Speaker 1: the group of guys we know who are in the room.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be who impresses them the most, who offers

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Speaker 1: the most, and also who has the answers to the

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Speaker 1: questions that they ask.

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Speaker 2: I think you have to have a track record too.

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Speaker 2: Of some degree you would think, no, you don't. You

446
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Speaker 2: don't want to hire a guy that just aces the interview.

447
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Speaker 2: They did that with Greg Williams. I'm not going down

448
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Speaker 2: that road with Rex. Yeah. Another example why you don't

449
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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 1: All I'm saying is if he's got answers for what

451
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Speaker 1: they're asking, that's what it takes. It's they don't have

452
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Speaker 1: anything to go on. Accept the interview process. For somebody

453
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Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers and some of these other guys that

454
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Speaker 1: have been you know, offensive coordinators and stuff, that's an

455
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Speaker 1: incomplete and if you go the head coaching route, that

456
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Speaker 1: presents as many problems anybody else. There's not that many

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Speaker 1: head coaches out there available who are still within age

458
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Speaker 1: limits or age normal that have any better record than

459
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott did. Right, there's a couple maybe, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: kind of constraints you're putting on, because if you put

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Speaker 1: constraints on it, that takes about two or three names

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Speaker 1: off the list, and two or three of those guys

464
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Speaker 1: might be viable candidates, yeah, despite their track record.

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Speaker 2: Just thinking you gotta go vet that out. In other

466
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Speaker 2: directions by talking to people that played with the person,

467
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Speaker 2: coached with the person. I yes, you cannot miss on this.

468
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Speaker 2: You have to nail this otherwise Josh's prime is lost.

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Speaker 2: That's simple as that.

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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: So you got it.

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Speaker 1: I gotta I said this again.

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Speaker 2: This.

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Speaker 1: We've heard this a ton, particularly since Sean McDermott was

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Speaker 1: here for nine years. Right. It's like, if you don't

476
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Speaker 1: do it within your first three or four years, you're

477
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Speaker 1: not going to do it. So is that the window

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Speaker 1: it would seem to be. So do I care if

479
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Speaker 1: the guy's fifty nine years old right now?

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Speaker 2: Well? No, And I think that's why they're interviewing young

481
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Speaker 2: and old here, right. That's why it's a wide ranging

482
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Speaker 2: cross section of coaching candidates for that very reason.

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Speaker 1: So if you got three or four years, is one

484
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Speaker 1: of those years like learning curve, you know, is to

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Speaker 1: settle it in.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it can be right. The expectations

487
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Speaker 2: here are astronomical.

488
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Speaker 1: The floor is so high here. I mean they're winning

489
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Speaker 1: twelve games in eleven games.

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Speaker 2: And a playoff game yet at least one.

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Speaker 1: Just that's the floor. That's what they're trying to leave behind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a high bar bro it's something. We got

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Speaker 2: to take a break here. When we come back, more

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Speaker 2: of your phone calls, as we are wide open for

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Speaker 2: those when we return. Here on a Friday edition of

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Call Out of Health, it's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

498
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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you on an obl Friday fan mail

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Speaker 2: bag edition, and we're gonna get right back to the

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Speaker 2: phones as promised. And to Milton in Buffalo to lead

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Speaker 2: us off this segment, what do you got for his Milton,

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Speaker 2: You're on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 7: Ye, how y'all doing good?

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Speaker 1: Good person?

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Speaker 9: I want to take up for our owner.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: Everybody is not media savvy, but one thing is he's

508
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Speaker 9: an intelligent guy. He's a billionaire for a reason, and

509
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Speaker 9: he's the same person he fired Simon Durmom. But he's

510
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Speaker 9: the same person that also hired you know. I do

511
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 9: feel bad that sign is gone, but he is the

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Speaker 9: person that hired him, so I trust him in the

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Speaker 9: process of getting a new coach. But when they do,

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Speaker 9: I just want them to not really mess with the

515
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Speaker 9: offense like that, because offense is great. All we need

516
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Speaker 9: is just to get that defense to be top five

517
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Speaker 9: or something that will be great. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 9: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, believe it or not, they finished top

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Speaker 2: seven in total defense this year with all of the

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Speaker 2: injuries and all of the shortcomings and all of the

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Speaker 2: lack of manpower. But I think if you want to

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Speaker 2: kind of get our thoughts on the direction of the defense,

524
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: you can listen to our podcast Bills by the Numbers,

525
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: where we kind of pivoted off of the head coaching

526
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: search and kind of addressed the roster and where some

527
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Speaker 2: upgrades might be needed. And I don't think there's any

528
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Speaker 2: question that the pass rush needs to be addressed, and

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Speaker 2: it may have to be addressed in the draft because

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Speaker 2: knowing they have to still get under the cap, and

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Speaker 2: knowing edge rushers of any value are going to be

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Speaker 2: enormous in terms of cost, that's probably where you have

533
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Speaker 2: to go. I think this team has to hit the draft.

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Speaker 2: They have to hit their head coaching higher out of

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Speaker 2: the park. I think they have to hit the draft

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Speaker 2: out of the park because there are going to be

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Speaker 2: financial constraints with their cap situation, even with you know,

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Speaker 2: some guys getting thrown overboard and getting out from under

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Speaker 2: some contracts. It's not going to be easy. And you've

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Speaker 2: got to find more cheap labor in the draft to

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Speaker 2: really fortify this roster to the degree that I think

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Speaker 2: we'd like to see.

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Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, I had to say it. I

544
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Speaker 1: know that I sat here because I remember it. Brownie

545
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Speaker 1: said the exact same thing last year because we were in

546
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Speaker 1: re cap trouble last year. They were forty million over

547
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Speaker 1: the cap last year. And they're better now. It's way

548
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Speaker 1: better now, single digits. And so yes, there is that.

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Speaker 1: And I know it's easy for fans because we're all

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Speaker 1: fans of the offense, and Josh and and we all

551
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Speaker 1: have we've had this conversation on going about the wide

552
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Speaker 1: receiver room off and on. Everybody's all up in arms

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Speaker 1: about it. Either they're sticking up for the guys, or

554
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Speaker 1: they're pointing to the injuries, or they're pointing to the

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Speaker 1: different way the rosters maybe because of the tight ends

556
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Speaker 1: and running the whole thing. To me, it's all to me.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody kind of forgets about the defense. They

558
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Speaker 1: are not a splash defense. They're not a they were

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Speaker 1: They got to the Championship Round last year in large

560
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Speaker 1: measure in my mind, because of their ability to get turnovers.

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Speaker 1: It was a constant for that defense last year. And

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Speaker 1: as long as that's the case, your defense can play

563
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Speaker 1: pretty bad and still look pretty good and your win

564
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: loss record can still look pretty good. This year, those

565
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: were not there, and their win loss record was still

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Speaker 1: pretty good, but their defense didn't, in my opinion, did

567
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Speaker 1: not hold up its end of the table. They didn't

568
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Speaker 1: make enough plays. Their past defense was it was good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, statistically, yeah, you can slice it anyone right,

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Speaker 1: it was number one, But it wasn't because they got sacks.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't because you know, of all the things you

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Speaker 1: like you see a dynamic defense do they didn't. You know,

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Speaker 1: it didn't lead the league in three and outs.

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Speaker 2: Nope, you know they were twentieth in So.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's about that side of the ball. We've seen, Josh,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of the Ken Dorsey thing where they

577
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Speaker 1: were six and six, but with Joe Brady and Brian Daboll,

578
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Speaker 1: this offense cooked and they did it a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different ways. Josh, is that good? Then they led the

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Speaker 1: league in rushing, and Josh points yeah, and Josh was

581
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Speaker 1: the MVP, so they can cook on that side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. I'd be surprised they didn't bolster their offensive

583
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Speaker 1: line and continue to keep that strong. But man, oh man,

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a way to get better fast,

585
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Speaker 1: get a playmaker up front on defense, get a get

586
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Speaker 1: a guy who can wreck the game they've got they.

587
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Speaker 2: Don't have one, haven't had one.

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Speaker 1: They don't have one. Greg Russo's a good player. A

589
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Jpaness is a good player. Ed's a good player, Daikwan

590
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Jones good player. Dion Walker played very well as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: None of them wreck games. None of them were like, man,

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Speaker 1: what are they gonna do with this guy? None of them.

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Speaker 1: None of them have had a double digit sack season

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Speaker 1: to my mind, not one, not in any of their careers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they don't. They just don't have anybody over

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Speaker 1: there who is a game wrecker. They got good players,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what too, They're solid guys. Their

598
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Speaker 1: teammates love them, they play hard together, they love each Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go, but they need somebody who is a game wrecker.

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Speaker 1: And I know those guys don't fall off trees. You can't.

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Speaker 1: And once the team's got them, you can't.

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Speaker 2: You know, you either have them away from them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta steal them, right, You got to find

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Speaker 1: them in the draft, and you got to. And the

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Speaker 1: guys were talking about Brownie and I. They're a top

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Speaker 1: ten pick at least, if not a top five, top five.

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Speaker 1: So that's what you're looking at. To me, that's where

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Speaker 1: you start. You got to get a game wrecker on

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Speaker 1: that side of the ball, by hook or crook. They

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Speaker 1: they're winning playoff games every year with And I don't

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Speaker 1: mean disrespect now, I'm just saying this to make a

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Speaker 1: hyper hyperbolic point. I'm exaggerating. They just got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys at whiteout right. Khalil Shakir is a very

614
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: good player, don't get me wrong, and all those guys

615
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Speaker 1: have had their moments. But you know what I'm saying,

616
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Speaker 1: we all have had this conversation with White out there.

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Speaker 1: They're top five in the league and scoring with this

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Speaker 1: offensive roster and this quarterback. Give him some help on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. Give him some more

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Speaker 1: shots at the you know, kicks at the can during

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Speaker 1: the games. Get a couple more three and outs. Please

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Speaker 1: get a game wrecker over there.

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Speaker 2: That's my take to John on a sale. Next, what's

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Speaker 2: up John?

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Speaker 7: Thanks Fellas. The number one thing I wanted to talk

626
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 7: about was I am so appreciative that Terry and Kim

627
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 7: and the entire family purchased the Bills and kept them

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Speaker 7: in Western New York. Twelve years ago John Vonchovi, with

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Speaker 7: Toronto money wanted to move the team to Toronto. Donald

630
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Speaker 7: Trump made a bit and wanted to move the team.

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Speaker 7: And I just appreciate the Pagoula family. And I've heard

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Speaker 7: him criticized on this show. I've heard him criticized in

633
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Speaker 7: the Bills media, and I've heard him criticized on the

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Speaker 7: national media. Uh, And I just wanted to say how

635
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Speaker 7: much I appreciated the Pagoula family. Second of all, about

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Speaker 7: Brandon Bean, I think he's a good general manager and

637
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 7: he's tried. He's tried to fix those problems both at

638
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Speaker 7: wide receiver and the game wreckers that he was just

639
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 7: talking about. You look at the draft picks. Look at

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Speaker 7: the guys he brought in at wide receiver this year,

641
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Speaker 7: Josh Palmer, Elijah Moore, Brandon Cook, Nicole Hardman. He's tried

642
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Speaker 7: to correct that it hasn't worked out. Yep. And the

643
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 7: same thing with the edge rushers. He brought in Von Miller,

644
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Speaker 7: he brought in Joey Bosa. He's used our top picks

645
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Speaker 7: for Rousseau bash him and who am I forgetting oh

646
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Speaker 7: Epanessa And he's tried to get those ed rushers. So

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Speaker 7: I'm down on being either. I tried to call yesterday.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to just quickly tell you what I think

649
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Speaker 7: the criteria for the coach should be. When I was

650
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Speaker 7: still a kid, my father insisted on going to the

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Speaker 7: game at the Rock Pile when Vince Lombardi brought the

652
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Speaker 7: Washington Redskins up for a preseason game. And my father

653
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Speaker 7: had played at Saint Lawrence the same years that Vinceombardi

654
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Speaker 7: had played at Fordham. And in my mind, Vince Flimbardi's

655
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 7: the best coach that I've ever seen in the NFL.

656
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Speaker 7: And I know there's a lot of good ones, but

657
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Speaker 7: I want a younger coach. I know these coaches work

658
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 7: one hundred hours a week and it's puffer as you

659
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Speaker 7: get older to do that. I'd like a former player

660
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Speaker 7: and someone that has good discipline. I wouldn't mind, you know,

661
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Speaker 7: Lombardi was offensive line. I wouldn't mind if it was

662
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Speaker 7: Alignment that was a new coach, but I would And

663
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Speaker 7: I know players are different now, they're pretty the top

664
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Speaker 7: athletes are pretty much coddled from junior high school up

665
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Speaker 7: now they're making millions in the nil money before they

666
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Speaker 7: even get to the pros. But I would like somebody

667
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Speaker 7: in the mold of a Vince Lombardi.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 7: And last of all, I'm a retired physician and I

670
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Speaker 7: through with the years, I've done quite a bit of

671
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 7: sports medicine. And I think Josh twisted his foot and

672
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 7: he probably has a Jones fracture also called the Dancers fracture,

673
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 7: the base of the fifth matter tarsel. Sometimes they heal

674
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Speaker 7: on their own, sometimes they need a pin. And then

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Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you guys something has as a

676
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Speaker 7: former physician, what the defensive end in Pittsburgh collapse alung

677
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 7: because of a dry needle procedure?

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Speaker 1: Ye?

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00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 7: Right, And I know I've seen several collapse flungs due

680
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Speaker 7: to needles through the years. But what is a dry

681
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Speaker 7: needle procedure? Do you guys know?

682
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Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, thanks, Sean, I do not. I think it's

683
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Speaker 1: it's not about I thought it was an acupuncture. Yeah,

684
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that that's the truth. That's truth there.

685
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Speaker 2: They're solid break that are inserted into tight, painful muscle knots,

686
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Speaker 2: which are considered to be myofascial trigger points to relieve pain,

687
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: improve movement, and reduce muscle tightness. It basically is used

688
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: to release muscle tension. They hit trigger points and the

689
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: muscle just boom, it releases its acupuncture. It's yeah, it's

690
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Speaker 2: probably in this family. My daughter has had to go

691
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Speaker 2: to a mio fascial specialist for her back, so I

692
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: know a little bit about this stuff. But I do

693
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Speaker 2: know that athletes like it because they feel it is more.

694
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Speaker 2: The relief is quicker than getting a thirty to forty

695
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Speaker 2: five minute massage because these people know the trigger points,

696
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Speaker 2: they attack them with the needle and the muscle just boom,

697
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: it just releases, like instantaneously.

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Speaker 1: Which and it's also a little dangerous because he got

699
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Speaker 1: his lungpunctured.

700
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Speaker 2: By well you go a little too deep and yeah,

701
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Speaker 2: that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, you want a younger former player. I don't

703
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Speaker 1: know if there's a list that fits every criteria you

704
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: just laid out, you know, I'm John. I don't know

705
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Speaker 1: if there's if there's a guy that fits all of

706
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Speaker 1: those criterion, Yeah, certainly an offensive line of former offensive

707
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Speaker 1: lineman who's young and and you know you're talking about

708
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Speaker 1: guys with your guys ire, there'd be guys I know

709
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Speaker 1: that that are my age, Guys like Mike Munchak, who's

710
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Speaker 1: a head coach for in Tennessee and is that offensive

711
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Speaker 1: line coach for the Steelers under Tomlin. It's all of

712
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Speaker 1: fame guy Bruce Matthews is one of those guys. I

713
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Speaker 1: don't know that there's if I can even think of

714
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Speaker 1: any other offensive linemen that are in coaching, like a

715
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Speaker 1: Dermanti Dawson or somebody like that. I know. It's just

716
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Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier in the show, it's less

717
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Speaker 1: common these days for guys to go into coaching after

718
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Speaker 1: having had a really good pro career because you think

719
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Speaker 1: it's hard work being a pro athlete, and it is.

720
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Speaker 1: It's a different kind of hard work being a coach,

721
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Speaker 1: and it's it's a grind. It's a grinds Rest is

722
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Speaker 1: not part of the job description as it is for

723
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Speaker 1: a pro athlete, and that's that's something that players have

724
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Speaker 1: a hard time getting their mind around sometime, so I

725
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Speaker 1: don't know that you know. I don't know that you

726
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Speaker 1: didn't make it a job description that is impossible to

727
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Speaker 1: fill with the current market.

728
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Speaker 2: Now, Archelle is like one of the last head coaches.

729
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Speaker 1: I guess years ago, got to.

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Speaker 2: Take a break. Here more of your phone calls when

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Speaker 2: we get back. On an Obel Friday fan mail back

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Speaker 2: edition of One Bill's Live, Stay with Us back here

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Speaker 2: on One Bills Live, Albert Breer from SI dot Com

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Speaker 2: is a little more detail on the Philip Rivers interview

735
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Speaker 2: with the Bills. He said it was sparked by his

736
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Speaker 2: return to play in December and the support he got

737
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: from those around him during his time in which he

738
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: appeared in three games for the Colts. He said that

739
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Speaker 2: Rivers probably wouldn't take this interview with any team, but

740
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Speaker 2: Buffalo was different because of his close relationship with Josh Allen.

741
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Speaker 2: I was unaware that these two were super tight. Rivers

742
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: and Alan. I did not have previous knowledge of them

743
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Speaker 2: having some tight relationship.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know they were either.

745
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: Now I believe both are represented by the same agency,

746
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: so maybe that fosters the connection there or reinforces.

747
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: It, but it is it's not unheard of that an agency,

748
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Speaker 1: especially when you got a really good relationship with your agent,

749
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Speaker 1: and you know which most of these guys do, and

750
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: the agents will hook those guys up. So you should

751
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: talk to Philip about this and this, because he went

752
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: through this and this one his career and yeah, and

753
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: it's good for a guy like Josh to have somebody

754
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: who's been there, done that, Yeah, and who doesn't have

755
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: any skin in the game.

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00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: Right, So we'll see what materializes. He's interviewing this afternoon,

757
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: presumably as we speak. Let's go to Daniel in Alden next.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Daniel, Well, I appreciate you taking my clause

759
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: to start with. I think Steve should be in the

760
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, all right. Second of all, I've been

761
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: a fan since nineteen sixty. I was at the sixty

762
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 4: four championship game against the San Diego Chargers. I saw

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00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: a lot of good football during the Super Bowl years.

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Speaker 4: And I've been a fan since I've been five years old.

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Speaker 4: One thing, one name I haven't heard mentioned, and Steve

766
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Speaker 4: you would certainly know. Maybe Frank Reich.

767
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was mentioned yesterday by another caller on the show.

768
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Speaker 2: And Steve is obviously good friends with him, Daniel, and

769
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Speaker 2: he's been a head coach before. We don't know if

770
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Speaker 2: he wants to coach anymore. He just finished a one

771
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: year transition role as head coach at Stanford as a

772
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Speaker 2: favor to Andrew Luck, who had to dismiss the previous

773
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Speaker 2: coach due to an off the field scandal. And Frank

774
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: essentially came out of semi retirement as a favorite to

775
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck to coach that team this year and now

776
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: he's done, so it's unclear as to whether he wants

777
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: to coach anymore. You know, he's sixty four, So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I and I know that I know that Terry's

779
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: taken some slings and arrows after the press conference on Monday,

780
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, Terry's not a He's a businessman,

781
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: not a public speaker. But I'll say this, the stability

782
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: of this organization dwarfs that which Frank has worked for

783
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: in the past. He worked for Jim or Say who's

784
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: no longer with us, and the reputation of the guy

785
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Speaker 1: in Carolina whose name escapes me at the moment, David Tepper.

786
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Speaker 1: Tepper has a reputation for being a hard guy to

787
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Speaker 1: work for.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and he kind of did Frank dirty quite frankly

789
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Speaker 2: Hardy fire him five games into the season.

790
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Speaker 1: His first season.

791
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so ridiculous.

792
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Speaker 1: That being said, Yeah, I'm I'm Rank is a friend

793
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: of mine. I have a lot of faith in him

794
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: and his ability to lead men. And he is not

795
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: an off the wall candidate. I don't even know if

796
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: his hat is in the ring, and I don't know

797
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: that you know, the organization is leaning that way. But

798
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if Frank would want to. Yeah,

799
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: that's that's I think that's the bottom line. And I

800
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: think the silence is very telling. If if he wanted it,

801
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: you would know, at his stature as a two time

802
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: head coach and all the stuff he's done in the

803
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: in the league, if he wanted it, he'd get an

804
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: he'd get an interview, I would think. So the silence

805
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: tells me it comes from his end.

806
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: Let's go to Tom in Wheatfield next. What's up Tom?

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00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, I know I only got a couple of seconds.

808
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 10: Here's one fifty five. But really interesting, I thought with

809
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 10: today's candidates that came up with McDaniel and uh and Rivers. McDaniel,

810
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 10: I think I don't hate either of these ideas to

811
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 10: be asked with you, McDaniel, Maybe Anthony Weaver would come

812
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 10: along with him as a DC. I don't know as

813
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 10: far as rivers, you guys, only John Lynch became GM

814
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 10: of San Francisco with no experience at all.

815
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Speaker 4: I don't know what the if.

816
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 10: There's a huge difference between the head coach and the

817
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 10: general managers responsibilities, But what's the difference really? I mean,

818
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 10: I don't hate it, that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: That's it's It's interesting and and it was alluded to

821
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: and talked about a lot after Mondays or Wednesday's press

822
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: conference here in Buffalo, and you got a sense of

823
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: what it's like. A head coach leads and you and

824
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: all of what that means. GM leads as well. But

825
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: his efforts as a general manager, Brandon beans Are are

826
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Speaker 1: highly collaborative. Uh. He's got a scouting staff, a coaching staff,

827
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Speaker 1: you know, support staff, the whole thing that, an administration staff,

828
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: assistant GMS and all of that and all those guys

829
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: they keep track of all the ins and outs of

830
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: the NFL rules, the deadlines, the limitations. We can talk

831
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: to this guy but not that guy. The deadline for

832
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: contract negotiations is this day, the free agency this time,

833
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: and we can start scouting on this day. All of

834
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: that stuff is scheduled through the NFL, and he's got

835
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: a staff that keeps track of that and they've got

836
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: warning lights and stuff so they don't miss anything. They're

837
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: on it. But Brandon Bean puts together a team that

838
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: helps him be the general manager of which a huge

839
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: part of it is his relationship with the head coach

840
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff. He wants to buy the ingredients

841
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: that that coach wants on his team. And Sean McDermott,

842
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: first and foremost was a culture guy. So that was

843
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: one of the huge characteristics of the guys they went

844
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: out and got and drafted and you could tell, man,

845
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: this team loves each other and they get a little

846
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: extra mileage out of athletes that a lot of people

847
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't think would get there. Right. That's kind of what

848
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott brought to the table. Brandon Bean helped him

849
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: with that. So it is a very different job. And

850
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: I know John Lynch is a very good GM, but

851
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: you know this too, He's got assistant gms and stuff

852
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: that are helping him with the ins and outs because

853
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: it is a complicated web, right, you have to navigate.

854
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: I think the point the caller was making is Philip

855
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: Rivers isn't a bad idea, and he used John Lynch

856
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: as an example of someone with no prior experience being successful.

857
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: It's a role that they were thrust into. I will

858
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: agree with you. GM is different from head coach. There

859
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: is nous, but I understand the points. They may have

860
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: a guy who's assistant head coach. There's only one head

861
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: coach and he's got a lot on his plate. Yep,

862
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: he has to make a lot of calls for what

863
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: happens to the guys in the locker room. I will

864
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: say this though, I do like that the Bills are

865
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: pursuing every possible avenue old prior head coaching experience, no

866
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Speaker 2: head coaching experience, no play calling experience. Grant Yudinsky for example,

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Speaker 2: and a former player like. They are leaving no stone

868
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Speaker 2: unturned here in trying to find the right fit for

869
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: the Bills with their next day.

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Speaker 1: They know they got to get it right and they've

871
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: got to put out an exhaustive search.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we come back. Second

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Speaker 2: hour is going to begin with our good friend Greg Cosel,

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Speaker 2: senior producer from NFL Films. We'll get some final thoughts

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00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: from him on Buffalo's divisional playoff loss, obviously the head

876
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: coaching change and what he might think the roster needs

877
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: to help get this team over the hump going forward.

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00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: That coming up next here on One Bill's Live presented

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Speaker 2: by Klaida Helt's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,640
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Speaker 2: There we are on a Friday. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker,

882
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Speaker 2: and I got to be joined now one last time

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Speaker 2: by a senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell, whose

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887
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: back at the divisional playoff first and foremost, and you know,

888
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: a game that turns somewhat into a seesaw affair, but

889
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: largely the live turnovers are what did Buffalo in as

890
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: you well know. And even though they had five turnovers,

891
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: Buffalo's defense only gave up sixteen points on those five turnovers.

892
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: One they didn't even have a chance to defend because

893
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: it was at the end of the half and they

894
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: just came on and kicked a field right. But I

895
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Speaker 2: know the defense is going to continue to get flack

896
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: for giving up thirty three points to an offense that

897
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Speaker 2: really wasn't a juggernaut from a point scoring perspective. But

898
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: five turnovers kind of stacks the deck against you, does

899
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: it not.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, although they still put up thirty points. I would

901
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 11: imagine guys, if before if we had said last Friday,

902
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 11: before this game that the Bills were going to put

903
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 11: up thirty points, I think we were probably felt pretty

904
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 11: confident that they were going to win the game.

905
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially against the defense of that caliber.

906
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly. So you know, it's a very odd game

907
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 11: to talk about because it's easy just to say five

908
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 11: turnovers and that's the reason. And obviously, you know, you

909
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 11: don't want to turn the ball over five times, and

910
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 11: I've always believed you have to look at each turnover

911
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 11: as a separate play. But you know, they still put

912
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 11: up thirty They still had didn't They have over four

913
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 11: hundred yards of total offense if I'm not mistaken. I mean,

914
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 11: they pretty much went up and down the field, so

915
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Speaker 11: it's a very odd It was a very odd game

916
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Speaker 11: in that regard.

917
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Bills had put up four hundred

918
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: and fifty yards of offense and the Broncos were three

919
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. Yeah, statistically, the Bills hung it up

920
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: on them.

921
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: But Broncos had two more possessions though.

922
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really the basis of everything. What did

923
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: you feel? I mean, the Bills actually, and I was

924
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: a little surprised by this. The Bills actually ran the

925
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: ball pretty well against the Broncos. Yeah, and I was

926
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Speaker 1: a little surprised by that, what about you.

927
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Speaker 11: Yeah, And they came out and they ran it really

928
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Speaker 11: well to start the game. So, you know, I think

929
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Speaker 11: that I was surprised too. I was surprised that they

930
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Speaker 11: were able to do that against that defense. You know,

931
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Speaker 11: that defense has been very, very good for much of

932
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 11: the season. It was probably one of the top three

933
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 11: or four defenses in the league overall. We know, they

934
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Speaker 11: led the league in sacks for the second consecutive year.

935
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Speaker 11: They're pretty good on the back end. The corner position

936
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Speaker 11: is really strong overall. You know, I don't want to

937
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Speaker 11: sit here and say I was surprised because we know,

938
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Speaker 11: Josh Allen is a really good player, but I wouldn't

939
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Speaker 11: have expected them to go in and put up thirty

940
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Speaker 11: points and, as Brownie said, with less possessions than you'd

941
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Speaker 11: like to have in an ideal world. So you know,

942
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Speaker 11: it didn't I never felt and I don't know, Brownie,

943
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 11: you did the game obviously, so you're you're you're doing

944
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 11: it kind of live and getting a feel for it.

945
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Speaker 11: I never really felt that the Broncos stopped them in

946
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 11: a strict sense, you know. Yeah, and look, look, turnovers

947
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 11: are numbers. Are a number on a page, and obviously,

948
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 11: you know, people can can just point to that, and

949
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Speaker 11: in a lot of people's minds that ends the conversation.

950
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Speaker 11: But obviously the at the end of the half was

951
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 11: just stupid. There's no other way to get around that one.

952
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 11: But the others were you know, you almost have to,

953
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Speaker 11: you know, kind of break those down, and there's there's

954
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Speaker 11: some detail and nuance involved to all the others that

955
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Speaker 11: just go beyond Oh, Josh Allen turned it over five times,

956
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Speaker 11: you know, Foxy four times because Cook had the fumble.

957
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 11: You know, there's always nuanced to turnovers and you definitely

958
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 11: have to break those down in detail right.

959
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: Curious for your thoughts on this because the throw to

960
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: Samuel on the deep post, yep, he tries to put

961
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: it on Samuel. Clearly he never sees the safety Lock

962
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: who comes in late and swoops in for the interception.

963
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: Do you think, and again we're trying to assess this

964
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: in real time because the pocket's collapsing when he does

965
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: let it go. Do you think he could have led

966
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 2: him to the back left corner of the end zone,

967
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: put some air on that and let him run under

968
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: it rather than try to put it on it him

969
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: on that post route.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 11: Here's what I typed Brownie, because I take really copious notes.

972
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Speaker 11: I said Samuel from number three to Trips needed to

973
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Speaker 11: bend his vertical route away from Lock rather than stay straight.

974
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Speaker 11: Alan pumped the boundary x Kinka to hold down the

975
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Speaker 11: boundary safety Hufanga so that Samuel could get over the

976
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Speaker 11: top of Hufanga. Well designed concept, but Samuel stayed too

977
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Speaker 11: vertical and Alan left the ball too far inside. That

978
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Speaker 11: was my take watching the play.

979
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Speaker 2: So you felt the same way I did?

980
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean a perfect throw would have been

981
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: a completion instead of an interception, no question.

982
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 2: But he could lead him to the corner there where

983
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: there was space.

984
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 11: And I think to me it was a combination of

985
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 11: the fact that I think Samuel should have bent it

986
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 11: further and Josh should have taken him further. So then yeah,

987
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 11: in a factor. Now I'm not saying it would have

988
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 11: been a touchdown, Maybe it would have just been an incompletion,

989
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 11: but Lock would not have been a factor if that

990
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 11: had happened.

991
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that ball should have went, that ball

992
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: should have landed in the end zone rather than on

993
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: the five yard line, correct, Yeah.

994
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 11: It should have landed. Now that we're looking at the play,

995
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 11: it probably should have landed on the r of Broncos

996
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 11: or even the end of the b of Broncos. And then,

997
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 11: like I said, maybe it's not complete, but it's certainly

998
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 11: not intercepted, and then Lock's not even a factor on the.

999
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: Play, right right, Yeah, this is it's an interesting game

1000
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: to look at. If you just look at the numbers,

1001
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: it's I mean, we've been here obviously far too many

1002
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: times the Bills scored thirty points and didn't punt the

1003
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: entire game. I know, so they never really feel you

1004
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: never really feel like they got stopped. What did Denver's offense.

1005
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: Do if anything that was maybe unexpected or better than usual.

1006
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 11: Well, I think the pass game was probably a little

1007
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 11: better than we you know, bo Nicks obviously, you know,

1008
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 11: had a many fourth quarter comebacks this year, and that's

1009
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 11: what people point to. But overall for the season, and

1010
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 11: I like Bonnicks, I think he'll end up being a

1011
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 11: very good player. But he was very uneven this year

1012
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 11: and they really had not scored a lot of points

1013
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 11: in a lot of games. Yeah, they had comebacks, and

1014
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 11: there were some games where he made special plays. Look,

1015
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 11: there's multiple ways to look at this, Steve, you know that.

1016
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 11: I mean, look at last week when they beat Jacksonville,

1017
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 11: they score with what two minutes to go, give or take,

1018
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 11: and then the defense makes a play. This week, they

1019
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 11: scored to go ahead with four minutes to go and

1020
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 11: the defense gives it up. What would the conversation be

1021
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 11: if the defense held them in those final four minutes

1022
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 11: and they would have won the game? What thirty twenty seven?

1023
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 11: What would have been the score thirty twenty six, thirty

1024
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 11: twenty seven.

1025
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: I guess they did.

1026
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: The defense didn't get overtime, greg and the offense didn't finish.

1027
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 11: That's true, Oh, no question, Oh no, no, no. Once

1028
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 11: the game continues, obviously you've got to play what the

1029
00:57:54,520 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 11: game demands. But there's the one thing that always because

1030
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 11: I sit and watch every play of these games, not

1031
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 11: just the bills, but of all these games, and see,

1032
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 11: you know, the tactics of every single play and what happens.

1033
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 11: You know, it's always easy when you have the outcome

1034
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 11: of a game to point two one or two or

1035
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 11: three plays, that's always to me, that's always easy. But

1036
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 11: I'm looking at the way an entire game plays out,

1037
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 11: the process of the game, and there's no question. Look,

1038
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 11: obviously Josh Allen would love to have to throw to

1039
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 11: knocks back, no question.

1040
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: We know that.

1041
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 11: And it's easy to say, well, you know, as has

1042
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 11: been said all week, as you guys know, because none

1043
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 11: of us live under a rock, well, he just can't

1044
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 11: make the big plays in the big games, you know

1045
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 11: that kind of stuff. That's always easy to say after

1046
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 11: the fact, and there's no question. You know, Josh would

1047
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 11: tell you that he needed to make that throw. That's

1048
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 11: you know, Steve, you know that. You know players know

1049
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 11: when they when something should have happened that didn't They

1050
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 11: know that, But you know, there's a whole process to

1051
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 11: the game, and it's not just one player or two plays.

1052
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: And at the same time, he had an unbelievable throw

1053
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: to Dalton Can to go up twenty four to twenty

1054
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: three and wipe out a thirteen point halftime deficit. I mean,

1055
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: that is a super tight window throw quite for the

1056
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: touchdown to go up. I mean, that's an all world throw,

1057
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: there is it not?

1058
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 11: No, of course, I mean, you know, you go through

1059
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 11: a whole game, there's there's that was great, great throw

1060
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 11: and they went up at that point. And I'm sure

1061
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 11: a lot of people when they went down twenty three

1062
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 11: to ten, and of course being down at half twenty

1063
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 11: ten was due to Josh, you know, with that stupid

1064
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 11: play at the end of the half. But then when

1065
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 11: they came back and went ahead twenty four to twenty three.

1066
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 11: You know, I'm sure a lot of people were surprised,

1067
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 11: Oh my god, this is a great defense here that

1068
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 11: Broncos are at home and now all of a sudden,

1069
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 11: the Bills are ahead, you know. I mean, that's why

1070
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 11: you can't just look at one or two plays, because

1071
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 11: you leave out so much about the way a game

1072
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 11: is played.

1073
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as this you know, as you wind down

1074
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: this game, and coming out of this game, Bo Nicks

1075
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: we find out snapped his ankle on the next to

1076
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: the last place. Yeah, on what appeared to be be

1077
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: just an innocuous kind of end around to kill the clock,

1078
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: kind of on a nothing play, right.

1079
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Speaker 11: You know, and that you know, and you talk about

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Speaker 11: one play, Brownie or two plays. I mean, obviously so

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Speaker 11: many people and you've probably discussed it all week.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 11: I'm linked to the party because it's Friday and we're

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 11: moving on. And obviously a lot of things have happened

1085
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 11: since then in the organization. But a lot of people

1086
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 11: point to that third and long play that Nick's bow

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Speaker 11: Nicks hit too. I forget who caught it, but you

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Speaker 11: know the plan I'm talking about that led to the

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Speaker 11: to the Mims touchdown.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, a lot of people point to that play and say, well,

1092
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Speaker 11: you know what's going on with the defense? I mean, look,

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Speaker 11: the one thing you can say, if you're looking at

1094
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Speaker 11: more of an overview, is one thing they did not have.

1095
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 11: And it almost goes back to Bill wallsh is one

1096
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 11: of the key things in the NFL is to be

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Speaker 11: able to rush the quarterback in the fourth quarter, and

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Speaker 11: that was one thing they were not able to do

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Speaker 11: in this particular game and.

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Speaker 1: It hurt them.

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01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and quite frankly, it's something they haven't been able

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: to do all season, which kind of allows us to

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01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: transition to, you know, offseason roster upgrading. And I think

1104
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: it would be hard pressed to see any other way

1105
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: than to edge rusher, because the Bills have had one

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: edge rusher in the last nine years put up a

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: double digit sax season. That was Leonard Floyd in twenty

1108
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: twenty three when he had ten and a half sacks.

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Speaker 2: That's the list they need. And Steve and I were

1110
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: talking about this earlier. It would seem evident to everybody

1111
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: they need a game wrecker at that position. But knowing

1112
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: their cap situation is going to present some constraints, They're

1113
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 2: probably going to have to find that in the draft somehow,

1114
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: some way. They got to get a game wrecker, and

1115
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: they may have to sacrifice draft capital to get to

1116
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: a place on the board to get that.

1117
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, or you know, I don't know. I'm not a

1118
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 11: cap guy, so I don't know how all that works.

1119
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 11: I mean, maybe they then have to release some guys

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Speaker 11: they don't want to release. I mean, this is what

1121
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 11: happens in all seasons. But I would say that that

1122
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 11: need and the wide receiver position are two things that

1123
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 11: need to be addressed. And I don't think that we're

1124
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 11: speaking out of school by saying that. I think it's

1125
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 11: pretty evident just by watching the games. As you said, Brownie,

1126
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 11: they really were not able to rush the quarterback all

1127
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 11: year long, and clearly they need wide receivers. I mean,

1128
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Speaker 11: it's just where it is right now. Every team has

1129
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 11: needs going into an offseason. These are two significant areas

1130
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Speaker 11: that the Bills need to upgrade.

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: Let me present some other scenario to you, because we've

1132
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: talked about this as a possible shift next season, and

1133
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: obviously now with a new head coach potentially coming in,

1134
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: a lot of other things could shift to in terms

1135
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: of scheme and whatnot. But Shaq Thompson, as we've discussed

1136
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: with you several times, improved their run front from the

1137
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: middle linebacker position. I would be all for Shack Tompson

1138
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: coming back, but he's an eleven year veteran. I think

1139
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: we'd like to see him as a depth piece at

1140
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: middle linebacker. It's considered to be a good linebacker draft.

1141
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on dropping a new middle linebacker

1142
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: in the middle of that defense and maybe shifting to

1143
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: Al Bernard to the weak side.

1144
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously you can talk about that,

1145
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 11: but then you got to find the guy. I mean,

1146
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 11: and Jack Thompson clearly played well. I mean, you know,

1147
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 11: that's that's the thing. I mean, you you just mentioned

1148
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 11: the draft.

1149
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1150
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 11: I'm not even in free agency mode at this point.

1151
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 11: I'm still in the season. Obviously, you guys are done.

1152
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 11: I'm still in the season, so my mind is not

1153
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 11: on who's available in free agency at this moment in time.

1154
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 11: But although I have started taking a peek a little bit,

1155
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 11: it's some college guys just because I have less tape

1156
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 11: to watch and I get toward the end of the

1157
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 11: week and I can mess around a little with college

1158
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 11: guys now. But the point is, you know, then you

1159
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 11: got to find the guy. You know, that's the thing.

1160
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 11: I mean, Jack Thompson to stay with Joan. I know

1161
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 11: he missed a few games, but I thought he played

1162
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 11: extremely well. Now overall, because you don't know who the

1163
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 11: head coach is going to be, you don't know who

1164
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 11: the decoordinator is going to be. You don't know what

1165
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 11: the defense is going to look like. You know, we

1166
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 11: spoke about how effective at times that three three five was.

1167
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 11: You may never see it again. You don't know who's

1168
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 11: going to be the head coach and who the DC

1169
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 11: is going to be, you know, so it's hard to

1170
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 11: know the answers to those questions right now. There's a

1171
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 11: lot in flux. We'll see how quickly they name a

1172
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 11: head coach. I guess they're they're doing interviews and I

1173
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 11: don't know what their timetable is. You know, the problem

1174
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 11: is is you start to run out not only have

1175
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 11: head coach candidates, but of assistant coach candidates, and those

1176
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 11: are just in some ways they're just as important.

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Speaker 2: Now.

1178
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was going to ask you because there's

1179
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz going around a couple of guys

1180
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: on the Seattle Seahawks and the l A. Rams. They're

1181
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: they're the Nathan shield House for the Rams, Clint Kubiak

1182
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. Both of those guys are. Clint Kubiak

1183
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: in particular has done wonders again with Sam Darnold, who

1184
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: proved he could do it last year in Minnesota and

1185
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: now has you know, gone even further with with Donald

1186
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: in the playoffs in Seattle. Anything you can, any light

1187
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: you can shed on what you see in these two offenses,

1188
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and the Rams that would transfer over to

1189
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: like for one of these candidates to bring to Buffalo

1190
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: to help out that kind of thing. What do you

1191
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: see in these two candidates and maybe what you can

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01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: discern the.

1193
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Speaker 11: Only thing you can talk about is what they do tactically. Right, Again,

1194
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 11: we're not speaking and I don't know them as people,

1195
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 11: you know, so obviously a head coach has to have

1196
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 11: some kind of presence as well in addition just to

1197
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 11: putting together, you know, a cool scheme, right, And I

1198
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 11: think I think obviously we would both agree that that

1199
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Speaker 11: the Seahawks offense because Kubiak sort of comes from that

1200
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 11: Shanahan McVay school, and obviously shell House also comes from

1201
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 11: the McVay school, and we know both those offenses are

1202
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 11: very good. They're very under center, under center centric, they're

1203
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 11: very play action centric, they're very boot action centric. There's

1204
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 11: a lot of reduced splits, there's a lot of pre

1205
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 11: snap movement. I think all these things are very good

1206
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 11: in today's NFL. So if you're just looking at it. Tactically,

1207
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 11: I think they help, and I think they help any quarterback.

1208
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 11: But again, now you get into are they you know,

1209
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 11: quote unquote leaders of men, which often seems to be

1210
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 11: lost in a lot of these conversations as to you know,

1211
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 11: head coaches, because everybody just talks about, you know, whether

1212
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 11: oh he's a great defensive coach or he's a great

1213
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 11: offensive coach. He's great, schematically, he's great, you know, so

1214
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 11: you know, but you also have to lead a team,

1215
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 11: you know, And that's what we don't know. But I

1216
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 11: think if you're talking about those two offenses tactically and schematically, Steve,

1217
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 11: I think they're in today's NFL. I think they're very

1218
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 11: very good.

1219
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously Mike McDaniel is a guy who's interviewing

1220
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: today that comes from that same school of thought.

1221
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 11: So yeah, it's I've been around him. I've been around

1222
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 11: Mike McDaniel. I've talked to him. I had an opportunity

1223
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 11: to do that a few years ago. There was even

1224
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 11: some stuff so that they put up on social media

1225
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 11: that showed me, you know, why he's talking to me,

1226
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 11: you know, and he's an incredibly intelligent guy. Now again,

1227
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 11: I can't speak to whether he's a good head coach

1228
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 11: or not. You know that's you're not there. He's got

1229
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 11: a different personality because he's very academic in the way

1230
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 11: he goes about things, but he's incredibly intelligent.

1231
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Greg, thanks for the time as always. Uh,

1232
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: this will be it for now, but I'm sure we

1233
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: can reconvene and find you in Indianapolis in about a month.

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01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 11: I will be there if you guys are there, we

1235
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 11: will chat for sure. Guys. All right, you know I

1236
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 11: love being with you guys, and uh, we'll do it

1237
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 11: again starting in Indie.

1238
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: All right, that sounds good. We'll catch up with you then.

1239
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: That's great. Co Sale joining us, so, our producer from

1240
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: NFL Films joins us every week during the Bills season.

1241
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: This was his swan song for this season with the

1242
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: Bills obviously no longer in the playoffs. But yeah, we

1243
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: always catch up with him in Indianapolis at the combine.

1244
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: He's usually banked film in his brain on about you know,

1245
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty or so guys by then, you know,

1246
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: so we can kind of pick his brain on some

1247
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: prospects that perceived positions of need for the Bills. So

1248
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: we will make sure, we do that, dude, it's a

1249
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: month away. We're gonna be an Indian like a month.

1250
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: It's crazy, yeah, crazy, yeah.

1251
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

1252
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break here. When we come back,

1253
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: we'll get back to your phone calls at eight o

1254
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 2: three oh five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty

1255
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: two five fifty. You want to weigh in on the

1256
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 2: coaching search, feel free to do that. Any question you've

1257
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 2: got on the bills, the coaching search, the draft, whatever

1258
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 2: it is, you can fire away at aight oh three

1259
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 2: oh five fifty. We'll be back with you after these words.

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Speaker 2: You back here on one Bill's Live Chris Brown, Steve Tasker,

1261
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: and back to the phones, we go where we've got

1262
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: people waiting patiently and gonna check to see who's been

1263
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: waiting longest. We go to Mark in West Seneca. What's up,

1264
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: Mark Man?

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 12: You guys are a couple of guys that really hard

1266
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 12: to get a hold of. Thought we couldn't get through.

1267
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: We've been a little busy Marks. I don't know if

1268
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: you've heard.

1269
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 12: Yeah, I heard something was going on. It's my favorite

1270
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 12: football team. The reason I'm calling, guys is I've been

1271
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 12: listening to everything and I saw the press conference, and

1272
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 12: I'm trying to be like common sense about this, but

1273
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 12: when I see how this went down, I'm having a

1274
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 12: little hard time with how it happened, if it truly

1275
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 12: happened this way. Mister Wigolis stated that he made the

1276
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 12: decision after the Denver game, which in my opinion, would

1277
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 12: have been the worst time to make that decision because

1278
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 12: you just lost a heart wrenching game. Uh, it's very

1279
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 12: emotional time, very raw emotions. On top of it, that

1280
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 12: game was lost as several have been totally out of

1281
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 12: the control of no matter who the coach would have

1282
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 12: been at the time, with some of these refereeing things

1283
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 12: that have happened to us. So that's the first thing.

1284
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 12: And then supposedly he held on to this decision for

1285
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 12: two days. He didn't discuss it with anybody. I don't

1286
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 12: know if that was because he didn't want to get

1287
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 12: talked out of it or whatever, But in my mind,

1288
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,919
Speaker 12: from the outside looking in, this is a major decision

1289
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 12: that you had people like Brandon being and other people

1290
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 12: around him that you bring in and to talk about it,

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Speaker 12: because it's an overwhelming decision to be made and it's

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01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 12: going to affect the organization from top to bottom. Most

1293
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 12: importantly the stability of the team. And if you're a

1294
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 12: long time Bills fan and I'm sixty seven years old,

1295
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 12: stability is one of the things that this organization has

1296
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 12: fought to get for years before the Super Bowl years,

1297
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 12: and you're after it and right now, I'm really afraid

1298
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 12: that the stability of the team, no matter who you

1299
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 12: bring in, is going to have to be built back

1300
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 12: up to where it is. And I know the narrative

1301
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 12: has been number one that we just hit the proverbial

1302
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 12: playoff wall. Well, that's fine. I can understand that a

1303
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 12: change may be necessary, but it's not like you're just

1304
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 12: arbitrarily making a change of a team that's trying to

1305
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 12: win seven games after they've won six or ten after

1306
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,440
Speaker 12: they've won eight. You're talking about a contender, a proverbial

1307
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 12: contender every year, every year under Sean All right now,

1308
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 12: and now we have to go out and find a coach.

1309
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 12: I find it very ironic that if you put all

1310
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 12: the resumes of while we guys available on a table,

1311
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 12: Sean's is the best one. He's the best candidates, he's

1312
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 12: a leader of men, he's everything that you're looking for

1313
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 12: in a head coach. So I'm really, really really.

1314
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: Here we go, Mark. I appreciate the call. Here's here's

1315
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, this is in the first time Bill's

1316
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: fans have been through this. We all know that it's

1317
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: been nine years. It's been the most stable, one of

1318
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: the most stable organizations in all of Pro football. And

1319
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: the other two organizations who were as stable or as

1320
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: more stable also made head coaching changes this year, the

1321
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: Steelers in the Baltimore Ravens. Yes, nobody knows more than

1322
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: the people at the top of the building here on

1323
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: the top seats of the building here how important this

1324
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: hire is. And Bill's fans you should be a little

1325
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: bit worried about him getting this right. It's only natural.

1326
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: They know, they feel the pressure to get it right.

1327
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: They said it in the press conference.

1328
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 2: It's a risk.

1329
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: And how and when and who said and he said,

1330
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: when Terry makes up his mind, I got news for you.

1331
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: That's the way it works in this business. When the

1332
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: owner makes up his mind. I don't mean it's just Terry.

1333
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: When when Jerry, when Jerry Jones, when Jimmy Haslam, when

1334
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: Steve Bushati, when Steven Ross, when any of these guys, Bill,

1335
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: Bill Bidwell or Mike Bidwell, Mike Bidwell in Arizona. When

1336
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: they make up their mind, it doesn't matter when anybody

1337
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: else says, that's the way the business works. And yet

1338
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: it is a little bit of an upheaval. That's why

1339
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: Terry was hesitant to do it after the thirteen second

1340
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: game when people were calling for not only for him

1341
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: to be fired, but to have him decapitated in the

1342
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: town square. I mean right, people were out for blood

1343
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: after that game. So that he said, she said, and

1344
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: the narrative coming out of and you know about you

1345
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 1: know how Terry's doesn't sound like a polished public speaker.

1346
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: Nobody cares, nobody should care. The point of the matter

1347
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 1: is they got to get this right. They know it,

1348
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: and they did it right once before after batching it

1349
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: with Rex. They don't want to go back there again.

1350
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: There are no guarantees in this sport.

1351
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:01,480
Speaker 1: There are no parties.

1352
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: There are too many variables, too many people involved, both

1353
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: on the field and off, too many rules to navigate.

1354
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm getting at there with officiating.

1355
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 2: All of those are variables that go into outcomes each

1356
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 2: and every week and capturing the consistency that we've witnessed

1357
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: for the last nine years can be hard to come by.

1358
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 2: And to your point, Mark, it's been hard to come

1359
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: by for this organization for the vast majority of its existence.

1360
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: But you're afraid of where it's gonna go. And you

1361
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: have every right to be, because it's been pretty good

1362
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: so far. But part of the reason Terry Pagoula is

1363
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: a billionaire is because he's made those difficult decisions, and

1364
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: he felt a difficult one had to be made now

1365
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: in an effort to push the team another step forward.

1366
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: I thought, that's why we're where we are, is Verry

1367
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: Good was not good enough.

1368
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: In light of fan opinion. He has shown great restraint

1369
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: over the years for all that heart wrenching, gut punch

1370
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: loss as this team has taken, even under Sean McDermott,

1371
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: as good as this team was, and man, what a

1372
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: blast it was, he got to the point where he

1373
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: made the decision. I think it's Mark, and I know

1374
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: you're a regular caller and all, but it's naive to

1375
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: think that he didn't think this through. It's naive to

1376
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: think that this was the absolute first time that's ever

1377
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: crossed his desk, or it's ever occurred to him. He's

1378
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 1: held off a lot because he knows what kind of

1379
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: change this is and acknowledging the risk is what that means. Yeah,

1380
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,879
Speaker 1: I realized some let me say, sooner or later, somebody

1381
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: was going to make this decision. Whether it was in

1382
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 1: ten years from now, like he's going to be another

1383
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 1: eighteen year guy like Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh, or

1384
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: whether it was now or whether it should have been

1385
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: four years ago, is beside the point. Someday these coaches

1386
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: sign up to get hired because they know that there's

1387
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: one day closer they're going to get fired. That's the

1388
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: reality of it. And when you make that decision, Yes,

1389
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: it comes with a lot, It comes with a lot.

1390
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody in this building has been through that.

1391
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: They've been through it more than once, all of them. Everybody,

1392
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to Jeff in Atlanta, X.

1393
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 10: What's up, Jeff, Hey, guys, I doing today?

1394
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 7: Good good.

1395
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 13: I'm a Buffalo Nato Hamburg guy. Shout out from Andy

1396
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 13: and Nicky King. I play ukor with them here in Atlanta, Brownie,

1397
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 13: so you know them no time of yours.

1398
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: Yep, very nice.

1399
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 13: So here's my here's my deal. I've been listening to

1400
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,919
Speaker 13: a lot of the content. I don't agree with the decision,

1401
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 13: but that's kind of water under the ridge right now.

1402
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 13: I love what McDaniels and uh McDermott and Bean and

1403
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 13: Pegou have done for the city and the franchise, but

1404
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 13: we've got to move on. So I think the one

1405
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 13: thing I've heard that I haven't heard yet about key

1406
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 13: character is this killer instinct and a coach. You know,

1407
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 13: I wanna, I want a braveheart, I wanna I want

1408
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 13: an incredible hulk. I want the Hanson brothers. The one

1409
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 13: thing in common of all these this tragedy of the

1410
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 13: Bills wide right, bad cat, you know, not a catch

1411
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 13: thirteen seconds in the crease, is we've let these other

1412
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 13: teams hang around and hang around, and we can't bury them.

1413
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 13: So their heads under the water. You got to hold

1414
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 13: their head under the water, and so you don't see

1415
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 13: anywhere bubbles. You can't pick them out of the water

1416
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 13: and check to see if they're alive, keep them down.

1417
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 13: I want to win by two three touchdowns, and we're

1418
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 13: not doing that now. Know Tomlin's out of the race,

1419
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 13: but everybody has a price. That dude, who's going to

1420
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 13: tackle someone running back a kick return. Who's gonna come

1421
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 13: out of the field and level that guy. That's who

1422
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 13: I want.

1423
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 7: That's the characteristic we want.

1424
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 13: And I'll hang up and listen to you guys, go Bills.

1425
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get where you're coming from, Jeff, I do.

1426
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: I think we all like to see the killer instinct.

1427
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: I think what makes it more difficult in the playoffs

1428
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: is you're playing the best teams in your league, and

1429
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: in many cases it's hard to run off and leave them.

1430
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the reasons why most

1431
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 2: of these playoff games, most of them are one score games.

1432
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 2: I mean games in the regular season seventy five percent

1433
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: are one score games. When you get to the playoffs,

1434
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 2: they get even tighter. And so you could have all

1435
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: the killer instinct you want, it's hard to pull off

1436
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: in the postseason. Steve can obviously speak to this better

1437
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: than I can. You know, people talk about fifty one

1438
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: to three all the time and no offense. You guys

1439
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 2: were rolling, but the Raiders also turned it over six times.

1440
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because we put some pressure on them. Yeah,

1441
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: and that's we see it all the time in today's league.

1442
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: Gets a there's so many games that are very close.

1443
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: And I'm a big believer in not And you hear

1444
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: this all the time in games, and you heard it

1445
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: even with this team this year where they hit well,

1446
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: nobody flinched. You know, we kind of hung in there.

1447
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: Nobody flinched. You flinch because somebody you know is swinging

1448
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: at you right and you kind of you want to

1449
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: flinch or they scare you. Uh that thought process is great.

1450
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 1: You should be the one making them flinch. You gotta

1451
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: you you have to have a team with an attitude

1452
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: that that they they play angry. Now there's a limit,

1453
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: you know. You don't want them over the over the

1454
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: top scrim fists and all that, but you gotta have

1455
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: They've got to have somebody on their team and guys

1456
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: on their team that play with an aggression that the

1457
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: other team is unwilling or unable to match.

1458
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: I will say, though, to Jeff's point, you know, having

1459
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: a killer instinct and wanting to win by more. That's

1460
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 2: why Terry Pagoula made this move. Because the Bills people say, ah,

1461
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: we get victimized by the refs. Well, part of it's

1462
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: because you're in a position on the scoreboard where one

1463
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: bad call can cost you the game. You have to

1464
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 2: put yourself in a position where even if you do

1465
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: get a bad call in the fourth quarter, it's not

1466
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: the difference between winning and losing. That's where Terry Pagoula

1467
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: is trying to push this team now with a new

1468
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: head coach.

1469
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I said it right

1470
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 1: at the end of yesterday's show. This season wasn't lost

1471
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: by a bad officiating call in the overtime against the

1472
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. They lost it when they dropped a game

1473
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: to a bad Dolphins team where they didn't show up

1474
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 1: to play well enough in to an Atlanta team. That granted,

1475
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: the Atlanta team played talented, it's talented, and it played

1476
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: its best game of the year against your particular team,

1477
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: the Bills, so I get that. But they dropped a

1478
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: game they should have won to the in the in

1479
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: their own division, to the New England Patriots when they

1480
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: turned it over in their own building three times. That's

1481
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: where this is at. That's where you don't.

1482
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: That that happened every year.

1483
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: That has happened every year under Sean mcdermot's losses. You

1484
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: beat you get beat by a bad Miami Dolphins team,

1485
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: You go down to Houston. You have no answers for

1486
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: their past us off the edges because of and I

1487
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: get it's because of injuries, but you've got a revolving door.

1488
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: It's certain spots in your team. And you get into

1489
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: a Philadelphia Eagles game and instead of winning fourteen to thirteen,

1490
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 1: you lose twelve to thirteen because you miss an extra

1491
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: point and the second extra point you had that would

1492
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: have won the game, you have to go for two

1493
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: and you miss it. Those are the things that push

1494
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: you over the top. And if all that stuff is different,

1495
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: everybody's coming to Buffalo to try and get to the

1496
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: super Bowl.

1497
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: And you're playing one less playoff game because you're the

1498
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: one seat.

1499
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: Those are that's the difference that we're talking about. And

1500
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know if Jeff in Atlanta

1501
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: is talking about the same thing, But you need some

1502
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: guys that play with an aggression that games like that

1503
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: don't get away from you. And when you go into

1504
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: a game in Miami late when Miami's reeling and they

1505
01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: are a five hundred club or worse, you don't drop

1506
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: a game, even if it is on the road. They're

1507
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: coming in there, they're one and six, one and seven,

1508
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: coming in two and seven, coming into your place in

1509
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: week nine, and you get beat, you get beat by seventeen.

1510
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that. And that's

1511
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: why this team always had to go the long way.

1512
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 2: Yep.

1513
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: That they never had the one seed. They had the

1514
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: two seed like three times because of mid season lapses

1515
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: and soft games and times when they got hitting them

1516
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: mount and they just didn't have what it took to

1517
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: close a bad opponent out. You can't do that.

1518
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: Biggest facilitator for the Chiefs in their dominance over the

1519
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: previous six postseasons was their ability to nail down the

1520
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: number one seed. They get an extra buy, they play

1521
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: one less playoff game, so that's one less game for

1522
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: crap to go wrong or stupid things to happen, or

1523
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 2: injuries to key players, and you're playing at home.

1524
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: And there's no guarantees. Even then, the Chiefs came in

1525
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: here and this is the infamous Steph Diggs drop. They

1526
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: beat you right in your own house. But that you know,

1527
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: but you had the game to win, right, I Mean,

1528
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: that's where they've all down, that's where they've always been, right,

1529
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: and it came down to that. But being here in

1530
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: your building in those playoff games and if you can't

1531
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: getting a bye week, is there's no there's no coincidence.

1532
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: This week the number two seed in the conference is

1533
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: going to the number one seed.

1534
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Take a break here, We'll get a couple of phone

1535
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: calls in when we get back on a Friday edition

1536
01:23:46,200 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: of One Bill's Live Stay with Us. I'm gonna go

1537
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: right back to the phones here on an obl Friday

1538
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: fan mail bag. And who lives in Buffalo? What's up?

1539
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 1: Liz?

1540
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 10: Hi?

1541
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, I'm asking you a question, not to be prejudging

1542
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: anyone or anything as far as this hiring process is

1543
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 3: going going forward. Please tell me what the championship pedigree

1544
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 3: of mister Rivers is. I mean, he is a high

1545
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 3: school coach. Aside from that, what benefit is even interviewing him.

1546
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 3: I'll take you for his insight or is it just

1547
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 3: just to make sure they don't overlook anyone. I'll hang

1548
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 3: up and listen.

1549
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: To you, Liz. That's a good question. Here's his biggest

1550
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: attribute would be his experience as an elite quarterback. He's

1551
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback who he played for

1552
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: a long long time in the NFL and then came

1553
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 1: back this last year after a four or five year

1554
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: retirement and played for three games and actually acquitted himself

1555
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 1: fairly well, even though he didn't win any of those games.

1556
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: His main attribute is his experience with multiple head coaches

1557
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: as an elite quarterback, multiple offensive coordinators as an elite quarterback.

1558
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,520
Speaker 2: And multiple offensive system multiple.

1559
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: Offensive systems as an elite quarterback, and his experience in

1560
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: the league as an elite player for a long, long

1561
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: period of time. That is, it's really where it begins and.

1562
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: Ends well, and quarterback is inherently a leadership position, and

1563
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: so you know, he has experienced leading a group of men. Now,

1564
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: leading a group of men as a head coach is

1565
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 2: a much different animal than leading a group of men

1566
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: as a quarterback on the field, But there are leadership

1567
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 2: intangibles there that made him a successful quarterback for seventeen seasons.

1568
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: That's why he would have.

1569
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 1: He would have some experience as well trying to wrangle

1570
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: personalities in a locker room as a head coach that

1571
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: he had different over the course of his career. He

1572
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 1: had to deal with bad teammates, good teammates. He would

1573
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: have an idea of how to keep a roster in

1574
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: line and find solutions and find solutions and answers and

1575
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: that kind of thing.

1576
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to lou In Tanawandan Nex.

1577
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 8: What's up lou Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.

1578
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 8: I really love to show Steve I really completely agree

1579
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 8: with everything he said to the caller brush pirates of

1580
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 8: the bank. But no, like all Bills fans, I've had

1581
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 8: a lot of conflicting thoughts and emotions this week, and

1582
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 8: obviously there's a lot to digest, starting with the game,

1583
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 8: then the firing, and then the press conference and now

1584
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 8: the search. Yeah, maybe the Bills didn't play their best game,

1585
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 8: don't give up three points that they have, don't turn

1586
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 8: the ball over, and maybe make a couple more plays

1587
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 8: on defense. But given all of that, they overcame the

1588
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 8: mistakes and still put themselves in position to win with

1589
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 8: a field goal from a forty two year old kicker.

1590
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 8: No less to force overtime. And here is why I

1591
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 8: get stuck. Suddenly in overtime, the rules seemed to change.

1592
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 8: In the span of two minutes and thirty one seconds

1593
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 8: of OTI. There are three critical calls, all of which

1594
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 8: going against Buffalo, and any of them by themselves, were

1595
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 8: not decisive but together they really placed the victory on

1596
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,919
Speaker 8: the silver platter. For Denver, there were no pass interference

1597
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 8: calls for sixty minutes, and a blatant Denver PI wasn't

1598
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 8: called in regulation the most likely would have result in

1599
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,799
Speaker 8: the Bill's score. Yet the Bills are flagged for interference

1600
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 8: calls that are questionable at best. And of course, the

1601
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 8: seemingly unanswerable question, when does it catch a catch? When

1602
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 8: does it catch not a catch? Me as it's ugly

1603
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 8: head and it's not just the Cook's play, it's the

1604
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 8: mims TD catch with a couple of minutes in regulation,

1605
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 8: they clearly did not survive the ground. It's a question

1606
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 8: that a single referee obviously couldn't answer because he doesn't

1607
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 8: want to be, doesn't know how to or see. Maybe

1608
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 8: isn't what the answer. Then this gets complicated if reports

1609
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 8: are true that the replay protocols were not followed and

1610
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 8: the call was confirmed without following proper procedures. There has

1611
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 8: also been a report, and I hope that that this

1612
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 8: is not true, that because the NFC game was delayed

1613
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 8: by twenty minutes, the NFL didn't want to waste any

1614
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 8: more time reviewing the call. If this is true, There's

1615
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 8: a much larger issue at play. So this single event

1616
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 8: completely off to the outcome of the game, and very

1617
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 8: possibly a victory was snatched away from us. Now fast

1618
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 8: forward to Monday and the surprising and unexpected announcement that

1619
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 8: our head coach has been fired, smaxis in the face.

1620
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 8: Everyone has an opinion on this, and mine isn't germane

1621
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 8: at this discussion and now removed to the press conference

1622
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 8: where Terry Pigolis says his deecisions to fire Sean was

1623
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 8: based solely on this loss and what he observed in

1624
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 8: the locker room. What do you have observed jubilation, which

1625
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 8: is what we really thought was going to happen, instead

1626
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 8: of despair. We'd be in a very different place right now. So,

1627
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 8: not only in my opinion, the NFL steal a game

1628
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 8: from the Buffalo Bill's franchise, they launched a franchise and

1629
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 8: the turmoil and uncertainty that has and will for far

1630
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 8: reaching consequences for the immediate foreseeable future. So this is

1631
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 8: my takeaway, Bills Mafia, we should be angry, very very angry.

1632
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 8: We should be so angry that we bought several brushes

1633
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 8: and to send on three forty five Park Avenue in

1634
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 8: Manhattan and vocalize our anger in front of a league headquarters,

1635
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 8: demanding answers from Goodell and head of Officiating Alberta.

1636
01:28:59,520 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: River Ron.

1637
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 8: We do not want to lame, meaningless apology. We don't

1638
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 8: want to be placated, and we don't want to hear

1639
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 8: get over it, because lord knows, we've had a.

1640
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 4: Lot to get over the past few decades.

1641
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lou, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're out of time.

1642
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: I got to cut you loose.

1643
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: There call anytime, great call.

1644
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great call, and there's a lot to

1645
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: be angry about. I don't debate it. The league's not

1646
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: going to change anything, I don't believe. So we are

1647
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 2: where we are and the Bills are victims. I think

1648
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: to a lot of other callers, points try to make

1649
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: the team better. So you're not in those tight games

1650
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 2: where one call or two will say swing the outcome

1651
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: of a playoff game.

1652
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: It was a lot of things in the decision, not

1653
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: just the outcome of that game. So remember that.

1654
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Have a good weekend, everybody, Steve and I'll be back

1655
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 2: here on Monday. We'll see it once