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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's

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Speaker 2: hour two. It is a Monday.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback five minutes away.

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Speaker 2: It's The Herd.

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Speaker 1: We're live in Chicago tonight, Monday Night Football. I think

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and Chargers is gonna be really interesting. I

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Speaker 1: think it's close. Kansas City gets a break. Denver gave

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Speaker 1: a game away and either the Raiders or the Chargers

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Speaker 1: are losing tonight. So a little bit of a break

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Speaker 1: for the Kansas City Chiefs, who have been the reigning

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Speaker 1: dynasty in this league. But we got young quarterbacks struggling

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: What are they? Jmac?

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Speaker 1: What a fun, fun weekend. It was like college football weekend.

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Speaker 1: Chicago is losing patients fast with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like Clemson's losing faith quickly in their coach.

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Speaker 4: We gotta get to that on Wednesday with Clatt if

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Speaker 4: he drops.

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Speaker 1: By, here we go Colin Wright, Colin wrong on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: plenty of both.

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Speaker 2: Let's begin where Colin was right. Well, the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: We predicted that they would be thin offensively, and they

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Speaker 1: may make the playoffs, but it will only be as

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Speaker 1: a wild card team.

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Speaker 2: They're just not as explosive.

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Speaker 1: Some of that is the Rashi Rice suspension and that

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Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy injury. I think they will get better offensively,

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Speaker 1: but Travis Kelsey's last two weeks he heard a teammate

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Speaker 1: and then dropped that Cats, which became almost a pick six.

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Speaker 1: They cannot run the ball. The Holmes, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: is like keeping the lights on in this shopping mall.

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Speaker 1: He's the only thing that's working. So we called this regression.

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Speaker 1: You probably called it too. Where Colin was wrong. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think Caleb Williams was necessarily going to be a superstar.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it would look like this. His passer

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Speaker 1: it's not Ben Johnson because his first two opening drives

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Speaker 1: on script, he's been excellent, but ad libs too much,

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Speaker 1: holds the ball too long, which is a problem for

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Speaker 1: to nobody. It is much worse than I would have thought.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, I said, Aaron Rodgers to the

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Speaker 2: They won't be able to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a team that makes mistakes and loses games

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Speaker 1: they should win. And the defense, though expensive, won't be

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Speaker 1: as dominant as you think it could be. And oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Aaron after the game, just like he didn't, York is

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Speaker 2: Cayle's the best kid ever.

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Speaker 5: there he knows it, I mean, or he was kind

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Speaker 5: it away, score a touchdown. But Col's the best kid,

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Speaker 5: and you know it sucks because he's such a great kid.

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Speaker 5: But unfortunately that whole sequence, you know, took points off

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I had Denver winning the AFC West. They were sloppy

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Speaker 1: They have really bad, dumb penalties, a lot of self

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Speaker 1: When I put green Bay number one of my herd higherarchy,

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Speaker 1: people said, how can you do that? They're not that good.

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Speaker 1: You're overreacting. Then they went out two nights later and

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Speaker 1: I can remember seeing where Colin was raw the Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 1: and they are struggling offensively arch Manning and this offense

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Speaker 2: Off where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel oh and two job in jeopardy, and I

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Speaker 1: think both Chris Jear the GM, Chris Greer the GM,

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Speaker 1: and Mike McDaniel probably need to be replaced. The roster

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Speaker 1: isn't good. The O lines a perpetual problem. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: special teams were even bad against the Patriots. The cultures wrecked.

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Speaker 1: The Bills are up next on Thursday Night Football, so

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Speaker 1: presumably they're oh and three. From the very beginning, I

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Speaker 1: questioned if it was all about the sizzle and was

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Speaker 1: I getting any stake, And as of today, I don't

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Speaker 1: when Nico im Aliava transferred from Tennessee. I said, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Tennessee's a football factory. They got NFL

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Speaker 1: dudes everywhere. You don't transfer out of Tennessee to UCLA.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge mistake. And it was again. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying Tennessee is Georgia, but Tennessee is a football factory.

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Speaker 1: They care, they're committed. UCLA's football nil is at the

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Speaker 1: very bottom of the Big ten. So it's a cautionary tale.

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Speaker 1: I feel terrible for the kid. I think he got

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Speaker 1: bad advice. I think he's really talented, but getting routed

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Speaker 1: by New Mexico and if you watch the game, it

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Speaker 1: could have been worse.

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Speaker 2: Is not good.

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Speaker 2: Heard Hierarchy time.

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Speaker 4: Now, let's go the top ten NFL teams according to

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Speaker 4: College Number ten.

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Speaker 1: I think the Indianapolis Colts have a much better roster

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Speaker 1: than people want to admit. They've already got a star

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Speaker 1: in Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman Pierce offensive line

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Speaker 1: They went ten for ten first ten possession. I've been

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Speaker 1: excellent roster. They've drafted incredibly well. I like their players.

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Speaker 1: If Jones plays at this B to B plus level,

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Speaker 1: they're going to win this division. Colts at ten, number

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Speaker 1: nine Commanders now played Packers Thursday. They're going to be

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Speaker 1: fine because Terry McLaurin held out Jaden Daniels and they're

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Speaker 1: one of six teams without a giveaway this season. Like

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Speaker 1: The Packer loss, they get extra time Deebo and McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: think Washington, I'm a buyer here is going to this

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Speaker 1: They're the oldest team in the league. They've got veteran leadership.

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Speaker 1: Top ten in total offense, top ten in total defense,

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Speaker 1: two to zero, both wins on the road. That accounts

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Speaker 2: Niners at eight, number seven, Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Again, they haven't played great football, but they've won two

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Speaker 1: eight of their last nine regular season games. Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: since he arrived, leads the NFL in touchdown passes, second

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Speaker 2: And last night was classic.

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Speaker 1: They got a punt block, Their special teams were a mess,

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Speaker 1: hasn't played well, and they've beaten the Chiefs, and they've

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Speaker 1: have a lot of sizzle. But Quinton Johnson emerging is

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Speaker 1: just pencil them in to win their division. The GM,

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Speaker 1: two weeks, best offense in the league.

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Speaker 2: Number four the Bills.

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Speaker 1: is Tomato Cams, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots coming up like Brady.

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Speaker 1: They're going to win it as long as Josh Allen's

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Speaker 1: I don't think Green Bay as a flaw. I think

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Speaker 1: by didn't like that Colts pick.

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Speaker 6: It's bad. You mean you know, I mean, you're right, Colin,

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Speaker 6: You know what it reminded me of and you talking

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Speaker 6: But and listen, the Chiefs right now don't deserve if

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Speaker 7: That's fine, And I think.

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Speaker 6: It's what you're right, and I think what you're saying

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Speaker 7: The manage respect? He deserves his fifty million?

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Speaker 6: And then you and I were like, well, maybe if

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Speaker 6: And then last year he doesn't and they win five games.

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Speaker 7: How would that guy look?

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Speaker 6: And that guy who's the best game he's played in

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Speaker 7: Thus far this season. I do it? Can I ask

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Speaker 6: The least about the Chiefs start to their year is

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Speaker 7: I don't love that. He feels like he has to. Man.

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Speaker 6: I feel like they are putting Herbert in jeopardy early

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Speaker 7: Life, without question. I don't love.

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Speaker 6: Right now, Colin, if you were to do an MVP list,

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Speaker 7: I think they could have an.

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Speaker 6: Extraordinary season and starting the year two games on the road,

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Speaker 7: They drafted number one overall.

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Speaker 7: You drafted the kid number one overall.

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Speaker 7: And olds in the whole sport.

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Speaker 1: They'll make the playoffs. They're going to be fine. I

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the law firm would be like, totally get it.

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Speaker 1: Even the partners totally get it. When Jalen Brunton leaves

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks, he likes, I need the ball in my hands, Guys,

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Speaker 1: I need shots. Everybody's like, yeah, of course he does.

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Speaker 1: Luke is the better player. But AJ Brown plays Tennessee

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Speaker 1: the most run centric team, Philadelphia even more run centric.

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Speaker 1: He's a top three receiver. Arguably, he's an NBA player

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Speaker 1: that can't get any shots. But yet in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: which is all about the shield and unity and fun

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Speaker 1: of the coach, it's like a guy can't ask for

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Speaker 1: a trade. I would totally support Aj Brown if he

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Speaker 1: just said, guys, I love you. I got five catches

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Speaker 1: for thirty yards. This is a terrible fit. Go throw

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Speaker 1: to Devonte Am I.

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Speaker 2: Wrong on this.

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Speaker 6: No, and I so a couple things. One is and

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Speaker 6: you should I'll email it to if you want, because

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Speaker 6: if this I hadn't heard you make this point. AJ

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Speaker 6: Brown told us as much. Days after the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: He posted an Instagram photo talking about how and then

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Speaker 6: he wrote in the caption, and I'm paraphrasing, but about

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Speaker 6: how the satisfaction of the Super Bowl lasted two days.

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Speaker 6: And then he said, and again I'm paraphrasing, but it's

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Speaker 6: almost a direct quote where I get my love for

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Speaker 6: the game is demoralizing a defensive back, is showing my excellence.

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Speaker 7: He told us that's who he.

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Speaker 6: Is, and that's part of the reason he's become so

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Speaker 6: great that while winning is fun, what he plays for

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Speaker 6: is you know, dominating his matchup. And I happen to

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Speaker 6: think that if Ceedee Lamb catches a ball, and if

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Speaker 6: Travis Kelce catches a ball, and the Eagles, instead of

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Speaker 6: being two and zero, are either zero to two or

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Speaker 6: even one and one. This is already a huge story

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Speaker 6: in Philadelphia because the fact of the matter is their

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Speaker 6: passing game, which remember last year when they were already

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Speaker 6: on a nine game winning streak. AJ Brown after the

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Speaker 6: Carolina game said we need to improve on passing. That

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Speaker 6: then led to you know, the Jalen's big game against

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Speaker 6: the Steelers, aj Reidan on the sideline, all of it,

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Speaker 6: the whole thing. They were in the it's the they

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Speaker 6: hadn't lost in months.

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Speaker 7: He was frustrated.

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Speaker 6: Now he's getting less targets, less opportunity at any point

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Speaker 6: in his career because they haven't lost.

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Speaker 7: I think it is at a simmer.

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Speaker 6: It will absolutely be at a full boil if they

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Speaker 6: play this style on Sunday and the Rams beat them.

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Speaker 6: And what I do think is noteworthy is unlike last

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Speaker 6: year when Saquon was in route to two thousand yards

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Speaker 6: and they were blowing people out. The Eagles deserve credit

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Speaker 6: for getting those wins. But it's not as if if

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Speaker 6: AJ said, hey, we can be better on offense, he

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Speaker 6: would be wrong. Their offense had. Their best offensive play

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Speaker 6: has been Jalen hurd scrambles and the tush push where

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Speaker 6: the entire team lines up off sides and the guards

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Speaker 6: false start. But the NFL allows it like they have

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Speaker 6: not been prolific right now. And I don't wouldn't thrush.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't mind of AJ or blame AJ if you

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Speaker 6: were frustrated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, finally, I said this yesterday Joe Burrow. It gets

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Speaker 1: hurt a lot, and you can blame the ownership in

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Speaker 1: the old line, but Justin Fields gets hurt a lot,

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Speaker 1: and Justin Fields puts himself in harm way. Now Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen can get away with it. But I watched Big

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Speaker 1: Ben and Cam Newton huge man six five, two sixty.

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Speaker 1: I watched them age overnight why they took shots, and

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Speaker 1: I watched Joe Burrow. It's like, Joe, you're you've got

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Speaker 1: a normal frame. It's a six two and a half

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Speaker 1: ish two twenty five man. I'm just saying it is

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Speaker 1: also in coming. I watched Eli Manning literally drop throw

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Speaker 1: it away, pre snap reads, get out of hits is correct?

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Speaker 7: This is Burrow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So this is tricky because listen, it's primarily on

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Speaker 6: the Bengals. That offensive line's been bad for five years.

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Speaker 6: It's there's the but Burrow is so I'm so it's

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Speaker 6: so interesting you said big Ben because I evoked him

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Speaker 6: in this same discussion yesterday, but for a slightly different

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Speaker 6: reason last year, right, take the Chiefs with Patrick. The

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Speaker 6: offensive line is a mess, and Patrick but grudgingly he's like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I guess it's going to be bang bang, bang out,

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Speaker 6: dunk and dunk, and you know I'm going to get

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Speaker 6: rid of the ball. Burrow is so intent and so

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Speaker 6: excellent at what I called yesterday big game hunting that

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Speaker 6: he is. In week one and in week two, before

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Speaker 6: the injury, he was getting the snot kicked out of him, Colin,

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Speaker 6: And it wasn't like immediate pressure. It was he could

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Speaker 6: have checked it down, he could have thrown away. He's

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Speaker 6: trying to hunt the big play, which you know he

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Speaker 6: had five thousand yards unbelievable year. Last year, you know,

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Speaker 6: got MVP vospite missing the playoffs, so he was rewarded

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Speaker 6: for it. But it wasn't shocking to me he got hurt.

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Speaker 7: It was sad.

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Speaker 6: It makes you worried about him, but sometimes you have

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Speaker 6: to protect yourself in different ways. And I the reason

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Speaker 6: I mentioned big Ben is in the pocket, Colin. He

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Speaker 6: plays a lot like Ben did, which is there might

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Speaker 6: be people at my feet, I'm staying there. I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: shake you off. But Big Ben was called Big Ben

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Speaker 6: because he was six five and a half, huge and.

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Speaker 7: Impossible to bring down.

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Speaker 6: Burrow playing this style is just risky, and it's it again.

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Speaker 6: It feels almost like victim blame me, but your point

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Speaker 6: is correct you if you're Joe Burrow, you know if

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Speaker 6: I get hurt, the team is absolutely ruined. If we

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Speaker 6: don't hit this third and eight, we can recover from it.

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Speaker 6: And it's a shame that he now is where I'll

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Speaker 6: leave it, Colin. He is likely going to hold a

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Speaker 6: record that no one else will ever come close to

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Speaker 6: and that no one else wants, which is next year

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Speaker 6: he likely becomes the NFL's first ever three times Comeback

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Speaker 6: Player of the Year winner.

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Speaker 7: And you don't want that.

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Speaker 6: And it's a shame for Joe because he's such a

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Speaker 6: great player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a ten million dollar chandelier in an

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Speaker 1: empty mansion. They have no run game, so he's always

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Speaker 1: throwing on third and long. They don't protect him, they

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Speaker 1: got they don't spend money on defense, so he's only

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Speaker 1: able to win shootouts. You know, mahomes can win low

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Speaker 1: scoring games. I mean, they're tied with the Eagles ten

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Speaker 1: tens a half. But there is something to be said

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Speaker 1: about And again it's I'm not saying maybe it's eighty

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Speaker 1: twenty on the Bengals, but when guys there's something hurt,

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Speaker 1: there's something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm.

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Speaker 6: Going to give your producers one other job real quick.

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Speaker 6: You just said ten million dollars chandelier. There's a great

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Speaker 6: meme that described that it's a Lamborghini parked in front

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Speaker 6: of a traphouse. Throw that on the screen for Colin

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Speaker 6: at some point he'll like it.

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Speaker 7: Because that's what the Bengals built.

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Speaker 6: Burrow Chase Higgins is as nice of a trio as

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Speaker 6: you get everything else, as you know, leaky faucets and

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Speaker 6: cracked foundations.

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Speaker 7: It's no good.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, bro, all right, Nick right, great stuff,