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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Break today. It's just Nick, David and I.
Speaker 1: Eagleton is just too busy for us today, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: We can manage the show without him. Now, let's just
Speaker 1: give okay, no, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. It's been
Speaker 1: one of those weeks. Yeah, when you know when everybody's
Speaker 1: when you win a game to put you on the
Speaker 1: cusp of a division title, everybody's got to have a meeting.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's been it's been everything you could
Speaker 1: think of this week, but it's been there. It's been
Speaker 1: pretty hectic, which, by the way, if we don't get
Speaker 1: into it, this is actually our last show of the week,
Speaker 1: So if you do want to throw some predictions out there, Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. Yeah, did you read
Speaker 1: my notes? Nick? No? I didn't. I hinted it out
Speaker 1: to you. I'll be here though, I'll be here tomorrow,
Speaker 1: joint show tomorrow. I'm excited. I don't. I haven't done
Speaker 1: radio with Brian since the Draft show, I think, so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this show. This showed me is a
Speaker 1: is a big deal too. Oh, I know that. I
Speaker 1: just no, this is the Dave Hellman's last show ever
Speaker 1: in his twenties. It's true, thank you, it's true. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: about Big Day, twelve more hours, twelve more hours. It's
Speaker 1: youth before. It's all tomorrow, dirty thirty baby, Big Day. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. But yeah, you know, it's fine. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not freaking out. Maybe I'm not freaking out. I'm
Speaker 1: freaking out a little bit. But it's cool. You'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Just one day. Brian wasn't. He was kind of depressed
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yesterday, was it? Yes, yesterday, it's been birthday.
Speaker 1: Getting older? Getting older sucks, man. You know fifty five
Speaker 1: broad us. Yeah, age is just a number. But when
Speaker 1: the number starts getting hot larger, you're just like, this
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. And and by the way, Amber went,
Speaker 1: you went to what twenty three, twenty four whatever this week,
Speaker 1: last weekend, so yeah, Saturday, a week of birthdays. Mickey, Brian,
Speaker 1: our whole staff was born in December. It seems like Derek, Yeah,
Speaker 1: nice anyway, Sagittarius people, all right, Well, I wanted to
Speaker 1: get into a little quick update on the injuries and
Speaker 1: some of the guys. We still had Taywan Austin and
Speaker 1: Sean Lee practicing again and was seek back at practice.
Speaker 1: Seq was back at practice. That's I mean a purely
Speaker 1: a maintenance situation. I mean, and he had a stinger
Speaker 1: in the game. He said he's fine. The dude had
Speaker 1: forty touches and we're gonna no Zach is Zach is
Speaker 1: not back, which not plan. It doesn't It's not trend
Speaker 1: in that way. Um. You know again, he's in that
Speaker 1: class of guy that doesn't need practice. I trust that
Speaker 1: he could suit up if he felt it, but not
Speaker 1: not even to see him at practice on Thursday of
Speaker 1: game week. It does not seem like a good sign
Speaker 1: um for anybody. So something to watch. But I'm it's
Speaker 1: starting to feel like it might be such a healthy lead.
Speaker 1: I mean, three game cushion right pretty much. And and
Speaker 1: you look around, I mean Philadelphia doesn't know if they're
Speaker 1: gonna play Carson Wentz this week. Yeah, they I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't I get it, Like you can't afford to
Speaker 1: think of this. It's like, well it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: okay if we go a game. But yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: we need to rush your best player out there if
Speaker 1: he's not ready for it in this situation. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, I um, I don't think Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, I don't think he's gonna play. Um,
Speaker 1: he has back to practice. Then they called it limited
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, probably will be limited here. And listening to
Speaker 1: him in the locker room, I mean he didn't sound
Speaker 1: he didn't sound like he called I mean sounded like Garrett.
Speaker 1: He was like it's a process that we're still working
Speaker 1: on in things. And just seeing him a little bit
Speaker 1: of practice today. He wasn't working with that first group.
Speaker 1: He was kind of working with more of the practice
Speaker 1: squad guys, second you know, wave of group. But and
Speaker 1: that's if I don't want to miss quote him, but
Speaker 1: he was telling reporters like his muscle like kind of
Speaker 1: came off off the bone. Yeah, I heard off the bone.
Speaker 1: I heard off the bone and a turn and went
Speaker 1: the other way. Yeah, that's which those are types of
Speaker 1: things that typically require surgery. Which you think about it,
Speaker 1: there was when he got hurt. There was kind of
Speaker 1: some debate about whether he needed to go to IR
Speaker 1: and they opted not to. So, you know, we we
Speaker 1: have fun with Tavon. He likes to dance and all that,
Speaker 1: but like, I mean, if his muscle was coming off
Speaker 1: the bone, that's pretty severe thing. Back on the bone
Speaker 1: for a while though yeah, no, it hadn't bad to
Speaker 1: the bone. I'm just saying there's a difference between you know,
Speaker 1: dancing and practice and running in an NFL football game.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised if he does much difference.
Speaker 1: Not the way he dances, it's a pretty big difference. Like,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big difference between I dance at practice
Speaker 1: as as y'all like to note, and I definitely am
Speaker 1: not pretty different moves though yeah, mine are better. Um,
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: That's a long that's a long process. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean three limited practices might not be enough to get
Speaker 1: you back from a nine. I've got one for l two.
Speaker 1: David Irving not at practice, No, not at practice, continue
Speaker 1: the street. I wanted to talk about him real quick,
Speaker 1: but before we why because again yes we we know
Speaker 1: what it is right now, which is we don't know basically,
Speaker 1: but people keep asking about him. So just again a
Speaker 1: quick update for everyone that keeps asking about David Orrbing.
Speaker 1: When is he coming back as of right now? I
Speaker 1: mean the expectation it is nothing. It's like we'll see
Speaker 1: him if it's on the field. Everything. I think there
Speaker 1: are people in the building that kind of expect did
Speaker 1: this almost Um, he's got so much going on in
Speaker 1: his life. You know, you're not getting paid, but if
Speaker 1: you come back, can you get hurt you still get paid.
Speaker 1: It's there's something weird going on because yeah, high ankle sprain,
Speaker 1: I get it, But all these other injuries that we
Speaker 1: talked about, the guys were there, they're traveling. Travis Frederick's
Speaker 1: been at every game. Lee's going going to every game.
Speaker 1: It's a different thing going on for sure. Um, he
Speaker 1: hasn't been here. He hasn't been here at all. And
Speaker 1: also what I mean, there's no doubt what is the
Speaker 1: tightest knit group in the delone the Hot Boys. They
Speaker 1: got their own names at their logo they got. Do
Speaker 1: they want him back? I mean, that's the question that
Speaker 1: I have them. Yeah, they would want a great player back,
Speaker 1: or a good player who can be great. But you know,
Speaker 1: these other guys are playing so well that they're they're
Speaker 1: all in, they have bought all into this thing, and
Speaker 1: here's a guy that's not there, and if he comes back,
Speaker 1: you would you would think it would just be because
Speaker 1: there's playoff and playoff money to be to be had. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think they would want to back. They probably yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's probably some I would bet they're aggravated. But
Speaker 1: remember DeMarcus Lawrence would love to have a guy of
Speaker 1: his caliber eating up attention that he can take advantage of.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I remember at the beginning of the season
Speaker 1: when we were back at training camp, somebody over in
Speaker 1: that area was telling me a story of the relationship
Speaker 1: or dynamic with the whole David Irving situation, where, yes,
Speaker 1: David Irving a very talented guy. He has it in him,
Speaker 1: but as far as the attitude and what he's bringing
Speaker 1: in the effort that he's making, it's not there. And
Speaker 1: someone told me that Sean Lee has had a conversation
Speaker 1: with him, and Sean Lee was very upset, and it
Speaker 1: just all the teammates were just and when you have that,
Speaker 1: it affects everything. And you don't necessarily you don't want
Speaker 1: someone that's kind of sharing the victory with you that's
Speaker 1: not really putting in the work when you're out here
Speaker 1: sweating every day. Well, because a guy like Karen Read
Speaker 1: or Daniel Ross will say isn't inactive for a game.
Speaker 1: They've been busting their butt through this winning streak and
Speaker 1: win in some games and helping him and playing pretty well,
Speaker 1: playing a role. And then you know, if somebody would
Speaker 1: have come let's say he comes back, and you know,
Speaker 1: one of those guys would would be an act of
Speaker 1: It's a business. That's the way it goes. You got
Speaker 1: to get your best player. And as Tyrol Crawford said
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, could anyone come back with not
Speaker 1: practice and just play well and contribute And he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: David came. Yeah, so he's a freak. Yeah he's a freak,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna play those guys. But and it's the same,
Speaker 1: it's the exact same conversation we've had a million times.
Speaker 1: You know, is David Irving the right kind of guy
Speaker 1: in the pure sense of like what Jason Garrett talks about,
Speaker 1: not really like he's got he want. He's an actor,
Speaker 1: he's in commercials. He is an eccentric guy. Like he
Speaker 1: does not eat, breathe, and sleep and sweat football like
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. He doesn't. And I think David Irving would
Speaker 1: admit that. I'm not trying to talk trash on him,
Speaker 1: but he's a freak. He's a freak. And that's how that,
Speaker 1: like line one is, are you a freak when it
Speaker 1: comes to being a football player? Like that's line one,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of that always falls into place
Speaker 1: behind it. Uh, And that's I mean, that's why you
Speaker 1: put up with it. It's a weird situation. But if
Speaker 1: he does make his way back, they sure as hell
Speaker 1: could use him when these games get more meaningful in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But again, like next year, you're not, No,
Speaker 1: that's your chances again, this was his other chance. They've
Speaker 1: already done this with him twice. It would shock me
Speaker 1: to see him get any type of long term I
Speaker 1: had a deal here at a coach on the staff
Speaker 1: tell me that he was he was just a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, just a few months away from just back
Speaker 1: in the truck, you know, back and just loading up
Speaker 1: the cash. He was going to get one of the
Speaker 1: biggest deals there is. If he has a really good
Speaker 1: year this year, he was going to get you know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be one of the highest paid defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: Now he will probably be Um. He will, he will,
Speaker 1: you know, try to get his life in order in
Speaker 1: the offseason. I doubt the Cowboys resign him Um, but
Speaker 1: it will probably be a minimum deal or and if
Speaker 1: they if the Cowboys do, it would probably be another
Speaker 1: one year, one year situation. But I don't think any
Speaker 1: nobody in the league would do anything more than that.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they would. So on the last
Speaker 1: you know, it's too bad you're in change. That is
Speaker 1: so sad. It makes me so sad when you see
Speaker 1: someone that just he has it. He was born with
Speaker 1: the freaking talent and it just unable to use it.
Speaker 1: And another thing that makes me sad is like Rico Gathers,
Speaker 1: when you see someone different different things because it's very different.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying Rico Gathers has the size and when
Speaker 1: you look at that size, how much you can utilize
Speaker 1: a guy like him. And we talked yesterday about using
Speaker 1: the tight ends and in the red zone and all that,
Speaker 1: and I kept receiving questions, so I thought maybe we'd
Speaker 1: bring it up once again as far as the red
Speaker 1: zone goes, And after seeing the how the tight ends
Speaker 1: played last weekend, would you want to consider using them
Speaker 1: in the red zone somehow, getting them involved and trying
Speaker 1: to get the ball to them and possibly cashing in this.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's the best option down there
Speaker 1: for that if you're if you're going to really focus
Speaker 1: on a tight end, because I think he's one guy
Speaker 1: that can go up and get the football and you
Speaker 1: know he presents a mismatch for you. Now, you can't
Speaker 1: have a missed assignment on blocking and and you know
Speaker 1: you can't. That's not a good place for a penalty,
Speaker 1: So I mean, or a missed block or miss block
Speaker 1: or any ever that. But who decided to run the
Speaker 1: ball down there? Right? But do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are kind of moving on from this because at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, we saw how many opportunities they
Speaker 1: gave Rico in the red zone and it just never
Speaker 1: really worked out for them. And then eventually we saw
Speaker 1: that kind of fade out and disappear. I mean, one
Speaker 1: thing has been pretty clear. And hate saying this, but
Speaker 1: if a guy's wide open, either in the end zone
Speaker 1: or streaking for the end zone, that's not Dak's favorite pass.
Speaker 1: That's just not what he's gonna He's gonna overthrow Rico,
Speaker 1: which is hard to do. You have to hit a
Speaker 1: banner to overthrown him. He's overthrown gallop or underthrown a
Speaker 1: couple of times. So wide open going to the end zone,
Speaker 1: that's not his thing. But I say that because Rico
Speaker 1: he was open a couple of times down there. And
Speaker 1: I mean, was that New York the bad overthrow in
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone. It feels like twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: it really, Yeah, that game against the Giance, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was New Yorker. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 1: second game. So hey, maybe maybe give it another try.
Speaker 1: They need to try some things down there. This is
Speaker 1: a good time to ring and he seems like that's
Speaker 1: passes are getting a little better. Typically, typically you see
Speaker 1: typically you see signs of those trends before they appear.
Speaker 1: You know, like you could see even before he started
Speaker 1: making plays. You could see Michael Gallops snaps trending upward,
Speaker 1: and you could see them trying to do more with him,
Speaker 1: And I don't get that sense from Rico, Like I
Speaker 1: don't get the sense that they're trying to incorporate him
Speaker 1: on some level, if I mean, if anything. Jarwin and Schultz, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're not really big enough that
Speaker 1: I think of them as these like drastic red zone
Speaker 1: mismatch guys. But I do think based on their success
Speaker 1: in this last game, I bet we'll see more of
Speaker 1: them in these last three weeks. All right, let's take
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Speaker 1: the Colts defense. Dave is gonna give us a pretty
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Speaker 1: the Break, Welcome back. This is the second segment of
Speaker 1: the break. It's a good point. Dave just made good point.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I mean that wasna We've never had an
Speaker 1: off the air conversation like that. That was good. They're
Speaker 1: pretty good. Now, let's hope this report is good but
Speaker 1: not so good at the same time, what do you
Speaker 1: got to say about this Colts defense? This is easy,
Speaker 1: ag because if you've ever watched the Cowboys play defense,
Speaker 1: then you got it. It's over it's the same thing,
Speaker 1: same thing. Matt Eberflus, where did he coach? He was
Speaker 1: the dalla he was. He was just like Christopher shard
Speaker 1: is the defense of coordinators, sort of behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Eva Flus was the same guy here. He was a
Speaker 1: passing game coordinator. He helped put the game plan together
Speaker 1: and let Rod Marinelli worry about the rushman. So this,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is four three Tampa two stuff. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean the personnel is a little bit different, but
Speaker 1: this is the same stuff. Uh, Freenie's not there anymore. Freeny, No, No,
Speaker 1: Freeny's not there. Matthis isn't there. Gary Brackett's not there anymore. Oh,
Speaker 1: I really know. Carrie Brackett was one of my faves,
Speaker 1: like Bob Sanders. Bob Sanders would have been a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer if he could stay on the field. Um,
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good young rookie linebacker. They do well, Okay,
Speaker 1: do your thing. No, I mean, it's it's the same thing. Uh.
Speaker 1: They're stout against the run. They're eighth and run defense.
Speaker 1: They're not quite as good as the Cowboys against the past.
Speaker 1: They're not quite as they're They're a little bit they're
Speaker 1: not as good by just a little bit. Twenty three
Speaker 1: points per game instead of eighteen. Uh, you know, fifteenth
Speaker 1: against the past instead of I think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: sixth right now or something like that. Um, but they
Speaker 1: want to get pressure with their front. They have athletic
Speaker 1: linebackers and a young secondary full of draft picks and
Speaker 1: sound pretty familiar. Uh. Darius Leonards is the guy. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. I mean, he's a second round pick. I
Speaker 1: think he was the fifty ninth pick or somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: You guys loved him on the Draft show, Brian Brian
Speaker 1: was absolutely in love with him. Yeah, you're yeah, they're
Speaker 1: smart guys, Garrett. Garrett told us that he was like,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely no surprise to us that Mattie Berflus wanted
Speaker 1: this guy because he just fits what this defense is for. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's super athletic, he's a tackling machine, one thirty five,
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five tackles. He leads the entire
Speaker 1: NFL as a rookie and not a first round pick. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's that's unbelievable to me, which and I didn't know
Speaker 1: this because again I would argue the Cults are probably
Speaker 1: the team in the league that people just know the
Speaker 1: let the least about. They got another linebacker by the
Speaker 1: name of Anthony Walker, ninety seven tackles and ten for loss,
Speaker 1: So he's the Jalen too, Leonard's vanderss. Seriously, I mean
Speaker 1: it's the same stuff. There's not as much talent on
Speaker 1: the on the really the rest of the defense, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like I said, they're just a step below.
Speaker 1: I circled this They've got so they got draft picks
Speaker 1: all over their secondary. But you know, Okay, Malie Cooker's
Speaker 1: a first round pick, but Clayton Gag Clayton Gethers. Their
Speaker 1: other safeties of a fourth round pick, Nate Harriston, their corners,
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. Quincy Wilson out of Florida's kind
Speaker 1: of there, do everything. Nickel guy, he's a second round pick.
Speaker 1: So it's it's not as many resources or yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think so compared to like Byron Cheeto Jordan. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys all being top one hundred picks, and then
Speaker 1: you can tell their talent deficient up front because literally
Speaker 1: only one of their rotation of eight guys or two
Speaker 1: two of them is like homegrown talents. You know, they
Speaker 1: got Marcus Hunt, who's a washout from Cincinnati, Nico Autry.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that name? Which he might make
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl? He might make the Pro Bowl. Defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: They stole him out of Oakland. He's got eight sacks.
Speaker 1: He's had five in the last two games. AFC Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Week. And then Jabal Shared is a
Speaker 1: guy they got from New England. He's got five and
Speaker 1: a half sacks. He's their best plays first name Jabal
Speaker 1: Jabal nice and pronounce yeah, allum, so it in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And you know, just like we talked about the offense yesterday,
Speaker 1: like they're clearly trying to revamp this thing. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be signing and drafting guys with all that cap space
Speaker 1: and their draft picks, but they're trying to make it
Speaker 1: work right now with what they got and it's working
Speaker 1: pretty well. Like they've got just as many sacks as
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys have with thirty five. I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest difference. Mattieberflus without Rod Marinelli, seems like he's
Speaker 1: more willing to bring pressure. They've been blitzing a lot
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. They've got fourteen sacks in their
Speaker 1: last four games. A lot of that is coming from
Speaker 1: corner blitzes, slot blitzes. Darius Leonard blitzes like a madman.
Speaker 1: He's got seven sacks that would put him at second
Speaker 1: on this team. And see that's the big difference between
Speaker 1: him and vander Rush. Vaneres has a lot of tackles too,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any sacks and I and it works
Speaker 1: for Rod Marinelli. I mean, the pass rush has been
Speaker 1: good this year, so I'm not trying to knock him,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't like to bring pressure like it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I know they've they've done it at times this year,
Speaker 1: they've done it at times in the past, but he
Speaker 1: would prefer for his front to get all the pressure,
Speaker 1: whereas it looks like I think Matt Eberflus looked at
Speaker 1: his guys and was like, this isn't getting it done,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna start blitzing. And it's it's working for
Speaker 1: him to this point. That's the way to do it,
Speaker 1: you know. And Eberflus knows this offensive line pretty well
Speaker 1: and and he's gone up against it in practice and
Speaker 1: he usually had Frederick and Martin and a better version
Speaker 1: of Tyrant Smith and um now doesn't look like Martin
Speaker 1: will play. We'll see, but it's it's gonna I if
Speaker 1: Connor Williams avers to a Philo and Joe LUNEI are
Speaker 1: the three guys in the middle, and he likes the
Speaker 1: blitz a little bit more that not only does he
Speaker 1: like to blitz. That's the other thing too, is you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Nico Autry is on on the
Speaker 1: level of a Kawan Short, but we've or or Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 1: But what we've seen what those type of players can do.
Speaker 1: You talk about Zach Martin not being there, that's a
Speaker 1: problem unto itself. Autry four yeah, four tackles, two sacks
Speaker 1: and two and a half tackles for loss last ye.
Speaker 1: It seems like if they're a team that blights to
Speaker 1: blitz and gets some sacks, they typically don't have rank
Speaker 1: eight overall and run defense, I mean it seems like
Speaker 1: it's a very controlled type blitz, a good run blitz
Speaker 1: type where you're you're not, you know, leaving yourself open
Speaker 1: for a big run or big play there, and they
Speaker 1: are I mean obvious. I always say this like I
Speaker 1: trust the Cowboys to be able to run the ball
Speaker 1: against anybody. But like, I don't those numbers aren't flukey
Speaker 1: because since they started winning these games, uh, they've only
Speaker 1: allowed like, they've only allowed one team to go over
Speaker 1: one hundred yards as a team in the last five
Speaker 1: weeks as a team. It's a team, So that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: The other they're they're very opportunistic. They've got twenty one takeaways.
Speaker 1: That's five more than the Cowboys have. This last game
Speaker 1: against the Texans was the first time all year they
Speaker 1: have not managed to take away in a game. That's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty impressed. I looked it up for
Speaker 1: the sake of comparison. The Cowboys haven't managed to take
Speaker 1: away in three games. So they're all right. But the
Speaker 1: Colt these guys, they play opportunistic defense. They get picks,
Speaker 1: they get fumbles, Um, and with Dad, I mean that's
Speaker 1: not hard to do. Yeah, I mean at this point,
Speaker 1: you know, I literally I'm posting a column right now
Speaker 1: about how I'm I'm sold on Dak like for better
Speaker 1: or for worse. Yeah, yeah, his warts and all of that,
Speaker 1: I'm sold. I'm I'm fine with it, Um, But you
Speaker 1: can't I can't deny his ball security has been bad
Speaker 1: for most of the last basically for this entire winning streak,
Speaker 1: especially in the pocket, which is a album against a
Speaker 1: good pass rush. Yeah, and we've seen how many fumbles
Speaker 1: he's had, and he's been pretty lucky at getting the
Speaker 1: ball bag. But last time last week, that's where it
Speaker 1: didn't really work out. You know, they recovered it. The
Speaker 1: fumbles that he's had, I mean, he I guess he
Speaker 1: does lead the league in fumbles, but like that's not
Speaker 1: that's surprising considering that he's been sacked almost fifty times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I guess, so if you look at it,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like just being tackled. It's being
Speaker 1: tackled when you're looking up and you're about to throw.
Speaker 1: I mean, now, he has been fortunate to get some
Speaker 1: of these fumbles back, but a guy that has that
Speaker 1: many sacks is gonna get He's gonna fumble the ball
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, you're right, you're right, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: just hold onto it on the ball. I mean, you
Speaker 1: think that divisional game against the Packers two years ago,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff Heave hit Aaron Rodgers as hard as
Speaker 1: you can hit someone in the bat. Miracle and it's
Speaker 1: like that should have been a fumble and they recover it.
Speaker 1: Bailey goes right out onto the field and of field goal,
Speaker 1: and they should win and go to the championship game.
Speaker 1: It would have been my first intercity championship game. If
Speaker 1: you haven't noticed that, Yes, I was in a lot
Speaker 1: of other people here, so uh and he didn't he didn't,
Speaker 1: he didn't fumble the ball, and then like that's I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's a credit. It shocks me that these
Speaker 1: guys get hit sometimes and don't full well. And that's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's something that we make fun of during
Speaker 1: the combine and it's the underwear Olympics. But like hand
Speaker 1: size matters when it comes to stuff like that, like
Speaker 1: if you can just palm the ball, and especially if
Speaker 1: you've got two hands on it, and that's I'm not
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coach, but that's why they always say, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to hold it up here and give yourself
Speaker 1: better leverage for when somebody comes to swipe that thing.
Speaker 1: And if you you got both your paws on it,
Speaker 1: and if your hands are as big as people would
Speaker 1: prefer him to be, you at least have a decent shot.
Speaker 1: And I don't know Dak's hand size off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, but I think they're big enough that
Speaker 1: he should be able to do that. I just think
Speaker 1: you work on it a little bit. They're big because
Speaker 1: one day he was at Dapodient Haun. Don't laugh. I
Speaker 1: think you should wear a glove. He's non dominant hand.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't. I actually like he has literally
Speaker 1: had so many he and I'm not talking about getting
Speaker 1: mauled by a guy and dropping the ball like. He's
Speaker 1: had so many weird plays like the one where he
Speaker 1: kind of dribbled it to himself. And he's had a
Speaker 1: couple of Aaron Brooks moments where he goes back to
Speaker 1: throw and it comes out like I'm wondering if, like,
Speaker 1: are his hands just sweating during these games? And like
Speaker 1: maybe he should be wearing gloves. I mean, Ben Roethlisberger,
Speaker 1: does it swear one on your non throwing hand if
Speaker 1: you can't throw with one. I think it's so if
Speaker 1: you're running with the ball, it gives you at least
Speaker 1: a little bit better shot of holding onto it. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a bad idea at all. I will
Speaker 1: pass that on to Dak and he will say, who
Speaker 1: are you? Well, let me clarify something real quick. The
Speaker 1: hand comment, I just saw him talking at the podium
Speaker 1: after a game one day, and you know, he holds
Speaker 1: the podium right here, and I was just looking at
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, oh my god, they're big. Like
Speaker 1: that's something that you don't really pay attention or like
Speaker 1: see up close as far as like oh yeah, hands
Speaker 1: from a quarterback. So it's crazy. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about something else you mentioned the secondary being
Speaker 1: pretty young. How do you see them playing against again,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup and Mark Cooper just a Cowboys wide receivers overall.
Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is the Dallas defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not the Dallas defense. Tampa defense goes back forever.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna they're gonna limit the big play at
Speaker 1: Mali Cookers like your center fielder. I think, no, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the seventeenth overall pick. He is
Speaker 1: a better safety in terms of like instincts and coverage
Speaker 1: I think than the guys here. He's gonna be back there,
Speaker 1: so they're good at limiting the big play. I think
Speaker 1: there's plays to be made against these guys. Slants all
Speaker 1: day long because if you're gonna blitz and you're gonna
Speaker 1: eliminate the big play, that means the middle should be open.
Speaker 1: But that's not where Dak has been great. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could throw the slant, but we've seen some of
Speaker 1: those interceptions middle of the field throwing the ball like
Speaker 1: intermediate left side two picks in then game. I hate
Speaker 1: to lean on this because we just saw them have
Speaker 1: a good game for the first time ever. But a
Speaker 1: nice day for the tight end. Would they carry that over? Well,
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Speaker 1: predictions in order in honor to unique I wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure we did not miss the opportunity to get
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for Derek here. Let's start off with
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. Derek's gonna tell you that it's gonna be close,
Speaker 1: and then the Colts are pretty good. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Cowboys here in a close, hard fought game
Speaker 1: like I do do think this is a team you
Speaker 1: got to look out for. Uh, Cowboys, wait, wait for
Speaker 1: the roof open or not. I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: they opened the roof. That may change Derek's Yeah, oh no,
Speaker 1: it still comes down to Cowboys had hard fought game,
Speaker 1: but give me Cowboys ninety did nothing. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back. I'm I'm gonna go back, and like has
Speaker 1: he he's picked against them probably once this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think you don't think so Cooys. Yeah, No, his
Speaker 1: record is good for him. He knew it all along,
Speaker 1: he did. Um, I'm going I don't know. I don't see.
Speaker 1: I don't see what the fuss is about with with
Speaker 1: the Colts. And obviously their defense is pretty pretty good,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: score a whole lot of points. But I do think
Speaker 1: it'll be a challenging game. You can't keep losing guys
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and expect it's just gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: So especially your best overall player, uh and Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a challenge. But I still think the Cowboys that they
Speaker 1: just I think they've got a role in At this point,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Dave actually put my score in. But
Speaker 1: I got I've got the Cowboys doubling up the Colts.
Speaker 1: So you picked the score. So doubling up the Colts
Speaker 1: based on these teams, I'm saying that means they win
Speaker 1: twenty to ten. Okay, sounds good. I was gonna thirteen something.
Speaker 1: But other than twenty to ten, if you're gonna double
Speaker 1: somebody up like the in a football score, it's hard
Speaker 1: to come up with an You know, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: win twenty one to eleven, are they? Or twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two to eleven? Sorry my bad, I can't do math.
Speaker 1: Twenty four to twelve, I doubt it. Yeah, twenty eight fourteen,
Speaker 1: I guess there you go. All right, twenty to ten.
Speaker 1: That sounds that sounds good. What about you, Dave Um?
Speaker 1: I sort of agree with Nick, like I, on paper,
Speaker 1: I don't see what the fuss is about. But if
Speaker 1: you watch them play like the defense is swarming. They
Speaker 1: got a lot of young talent, they're confident, they're at home.
Speaker 1: Maybe most importantly, they need they need it. They're fighting
Speaker 1: for I mean they're you know, they're two. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: fighting for their lives, which and the I mean, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't clinched anything, but they have a nice little
Speaker 1: cushion that they've built here that they don't need this
Speaker 1: game quite as bad. I think desperate team theory comes
Speaker 1: into play. Having said all of that, like basically what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is this game gives me an uneasy feeling.
Speaker 1: But I'm too convinced by everything the Cowboys have done
Speaker 1: these last five weeks. And I don't think the Colts
Speaker 1: are so good that I'm going to bet against them now.
Speaker 1: You know, like if they were playing if they were
Speaker 1: playing the Saints or the Rams, I'd probably i'd pick
Speaker 1: them to lose. But this Colts team is scrappy but flawed,
Speaker 1: and I just think the Cowboys ought to be good
Speaker 1: enough to sneak out of there with a win. I
Speaker 1: do not think it'll be comfortable. Yeah, does it concern
Speaker 1: it has been a while since the Cowboys have played
Speaker 1: away from home. Yeah, we know the struggles they had,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, they did not have him
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper. They were they were terrible on the road
Speaker 1: before group, But when in the two games they played
Speaker 1: since they got him, they beat the Eagles and the Falcons,
Speaker 1: which were those games comfortable for anybody? No? They were not.
Speaker 1: None of these five games. No, and that I expected
Speaker 1: to continue. I think luck Luck can beat these guys.
Speaker 1: He can make some plays on this defense, but they
Speaker 1: don't run the ball that well. And that's that's my thing.
Speaker 1: I just don't think they can be I got I
Speaker 1: got Cowboys winning, uh twenty twenty to sixteen. Here we go,
Speaker 1: nice a nice, ugly score, a score that implies a
Speaker 1: lot of field goals and uh, tense finish, because that's
Speaker 1: probably what's going to happen. Okay, you got, Um? Mine
Speaker 1: is simple. I picked the Cowboys. I'm in they They've
Speaker 1: sweetened me up. I'm riding with them all the way.
Speaker 1: And I think it will come down to like an
Speaker 1: extra point or something like that, like just one extra point.
Speaker 1: They'll make it in and they win the game. Every
Speaker 1: every noon window in the NFL has at least one
Speaker 1: berserk finish. I mean, you know, the last time this
Speaker 1: team played at noon was Atlanta game winning field goal
Speaker 1: at the buzzer the Dolphins and the Patriots what they
Speaker 1: just did the other day? Uh, I mean the Colts
Speaker 1: and the Colts and the Texans played a frantic finish
Speaker 1: the other day. And so that's that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It'll be I looked this up for my column, actually, um,
Speaker 1: and now I forgot. I think eight of the eight
Speaker 1: of their thirteen games have been at No. Ten of
Speaker 1: their thirteen games have been decided by a score, and
Speaker 1: six have been in doubt in the final minutes, and
Speaker 1: four have been decided on the final play of the game. Wow. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're expecting anything other than stress, you're
Speaker 1: probably Wrongston Detroit, Houston, Detroit, first Washington game, and then
Speaker 1: this Eagles game. No wait, No, so five is Atlanta too?
Speaker 1: Houston Detroit, Atlanta, Billy games? Watchline'll play the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nuts, even by the Cowboys standards, which also for
Speaker 1: my column. Did I tell you this? I know, I
Speaker 1: told Brian so Philly was my ninety sixth regular season game. No,
Speaker 1: my ninety sixth game that counted between regular season and playoffs,
Speaker 1: covering the team, thirty seven of them have been decided
Speaker 1: by a score or less or like you know, been
Speaker 1: close at the finish. So the playoff game on January
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth will be your one hundredth game. That
Speaker 1: sounds right? Yes? Nice, I hope it's the sixth. I'm
Speaker 1: in a wedding on the fifth. Oh yeah, we've talked
Speaker 1: about this, but yeah, a third of a third of
Speaker 1: the time this team plays. It's stressful. Okay, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Now let's answer some Twitter question. I seen
Speaker 1: several people asking about this same topic. But do you
Speaker 1: guys think that the Cowboys will end up losing Chris
Speaker 1: Richard during the off season and if so, what will
Speaker 1: happen to the defense? Are you guys concerned that that
Speaker 1: would be that would really affect the defense and what
Speaker 1: they being able to accomplish so far. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it would be a tough loss, but I don't know
Speaker 1: any other way around. It really just depends on how
Speaker 1: things finish here. Um. You know, with each game and
Speaker 1: each win, it you kind of wonder about Jason Garrett's um,
Speaker 1: you know future. I mean, I still think that. I
Speaker 1: know I've said all along this season that that I
Speaker 1: thought that Garrett needs to be in the NFC Championship
Speaker 1: game or win a couple of games in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: or he probably won't be back. But every season's different,
Speaker 1: and the way this thing has gone right now, it's
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't think that they would make a change there,
Speaker 1: and that's really the only way to keep him. I
Speaker 1: say all that because that's we're the only way to
Speaker 1: keep Richard. You can't make him the defensive coordinator or
Speaker 1: all that. If he gets offered a head coaching job,
Speaker 1: then he'll, oh, he's gonna go for it. But that's
Speaker 1: that's I talked to him. And when I talk to
Speaker 1: him by that training camp, he I mean, I asked
Speaker 1: him basically that's in question, like are you wanting to
Speaker 1: be a head coach? Like without hesitation, He's like absolutely,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, he's here because you know, the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys are very visible and they're gonna be on TV
Speaker 1: and they're gonna show him, and especially if he gets
Speaker 1: in a fight with an other team before a game.
Speaker 1: I will say this though, and I mean, barring just
Speaker 1: a complete collapse, I can't imagine that Jason Garrett doesn't
Speaker 1: keep his job. But that I think, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good thing for your odds of keeping chrispher Shark, because
Speaker 1: he can only he can only leave for a head
Speaker 1: coaching job, right. I mean, the Cowboys don't have to
Speaker 1: let him out of his contract to go be somebody
Speaker 1: else's coordinator, right, right, right, He can only only leave
Speaker 1: your contract for head coaching job, right. And I know
Speaker 1: we think the world of him. He's done wonders for
Speaker 1: this defense. But you got like you kind of got
Speaker 1: to take a step back too. Is is one season
Speaker 1: in Alice as the co defensive coordinator enough to get
Speaker 1: you ahead? That's what I just said, Durst for you
Speaker 1: like you, you know him, you like him, You've watched
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna get in the room with somebody
Speaker 1: for an interview. It's possible. Is he gonna lose it
Speaker 1: in that room? Probably not, And he's gonna win it. Gosh,
Speaker 1: just the way he carries himself and the way the
Speaker 1: things that he says. I mean, I will hire him
Speaker 1: in my only point being, but there's there's only so
Speaker 1: many what there'll there will probably be eight openings or
Speaker 1: something like that, and that's not a lot of openings.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of talented coaches at the NFL
Speaker 1: level college football coaches, um, and it's a I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a big job to give to somebody. So and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not betting against Christoph Shard. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: one year in Dallas, it might it might not be
Speaker 1: enough to sway some people that he's ready for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years in his contract. They
Speaker 1: don't release those, but typically coaching contracts or two or
Speaker 1: three years. He's certainly gonna get interviews because he's deserving.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that he is absolutely deserving, and he'll
Speaker 1: get interviews. He'll also get interviews because he would be
Speaker 1: you have to interview an African American and he would be.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be right at the top of the
Speaker 1: charts for anybody that has a vacancy to interview him.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that because he's absolutely deserving. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna get in a room. I just can't. I
Speaker 1: can't see him losing the job there. So they say
Speaker 1: all that, let's just say, I don't know, two and
Speaker 1: one here down the stretch, whatever, Cowboys, fourth seed, they
Speaker 1: win the division, get the hats, all that stuff. Seattle
Speaker 1: comes in. So two and one, ten and six, ten
Speaker 1: and six finished, ten and six, finish the the NFC
Speaker 1: Eacht Championship. The fourth seed. You play Seattle, you lose.
Speaker 1: You didn't play well. Highlighters came in, they beat your russell,
Speaker 1: you couldn't tackle him. They beat you a low scoring game.
Speaker 1: They beat you thirteen to ten, and you're out. All
Speaker 1: this excitement, all this finish the fight, all this stuff
Speaker 1: and you've lost. Ye, very possible outcome may not he
Speaker 1: may not be the head coach. It's possible because right
Speaker 1: now it's five game winning street. You know, you're at
Speaker 1: the top of the roller coaster here, Like, allow, this
Speaker 1: is great, but if it doesn't end in a favorable way,
Speaker 1: especially after a one and done, because I know there
Speaker 1: were some unhappy people when they lost for the Packers
Speaker 1: two years ago after thirteen and three, So if that
Speaker 1: happens again, I don't think it's it's a guarantee because
Speaker 1: what we've seen right now is good. It's gonna if
Speaker 1: it's not a super Bowl, it's gonna end in a frustrating,
Speaker 1: disappointing way. And I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible to envision a scenario where you
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and people are just freaking furious that
Speaker 1: the way it finishes. I mean, yeah, what you just described,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't know the answer, Like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised either way, Like, okay, yeah, you lose to
Speaker 1: the Colts, then you win the last two, you win
Speaker 1: the division, you play Seattle and you play like crap
Speaker 1: and you lose. I wouldn't be surprised by either outcome.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if it's like, let's run it back.
Speaker 1: Maybe we get a new offensive coordinator, maybe we promote
Speaker 1: Chris Richard and we're good. Or yeah, maybe it sucks
Speaker 1: so much that you blow the whole thing up and
Speaker 1: then I just I love to say, there's only like
Speaker 1: two or three people in the world that can answer
Speaker 1: that question, right. I think the best scenario for him
Speaker 1: that doesn't include a Super Bowl victory is you gotta
Speaker 1: win that first game. You go to the Saints or
Speaker 1: the Rams, probably maybe the Saints, and you gotta compete,
Speaker 1: You gotta, you gotta, you know, ball out in that
Speaker 1: game and have a good showing. If you don't beat
Speaker 1: the one or two best teams in the league on
Speaker 1: the road, I don't see them really making a change there.
Speaker 1: But I think I think if whatever it is, if
Speaker 1: it ends in a in a shocking slash disappointing way,
Speaker 1: because losing is going to be disappointing, but in a
Speaker 1: surprising disappointing fashion, I don't think that's good for the coach.
Speaker 1: As long as you don't for lack of a better phrase,
Speaker 1: like wet the bed, which and I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you're thirteen and three, you won eleven games in a
Speaker 1: row and you lose your first game. People would describe
Speaker 1: that as wedding the bed. Yeah, well, you know show
Speaker 1: I deal with that a lot lately. And hey, you
Speaker 1: gotta have patience. You got a three year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so don't yeah, don't come out to bed. Don't come
Speaker 1: out and play terrible in the first playoff game. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's a bad idea that talks when you start
Speaker 1: saying like the when you talked about the two different
Speaker 1: scenarios and possibilities, and when it comes out down to
Speaker 1: like the whole wiping out the whole thing. I don't
Speaker 1: really understand that whole concept. And I know how if
Speaker 1: you bring a certain head coach or whatever they bring
Speaker 1: in their staff that they want and all that, but
Speaker 1: why would you wipe out let's say, someone that has
Speaker 1: actually done some positive things although the end outcome we're
Speaker 1: talking about, Garrett, No, I'm talking about like, let's say
Speaker 1: different positions, which well, position coach, there's no guarantee of
Speaker 1: that first of all, which this week is a great
Speaker 1: example Matt Eberflus signed an indie to be Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, and he went back to New England. He
Speaker 1: bailed on them. They hired a new head coach, and
Speaker 1: they're like, ah, we still, well, we'll keep Eberflus around,
Speaker 1: Like we can do that. So it's yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: in a scenario where another coach came in here, like
Speaker 1: he could opt to try to keep Christirah Shard and
Speaker 1: christ Shard could hang around here. But yeah, the answer
Speaker 1: your question is because coaches want to work with who
Speaker 1: they want to work with. It's like, Chris, you're really
Speaker 1: great and YadA YadA, but you run Seattle's defense and
Speaker 1: I want to run Yeah, the Jets defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's what I mean. So I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: an analogy. But you want you want the people that
Speaker 1: make you feel comfortable with what you want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if they don't fit that, then you can go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. We'll have to keep waiting to see what
Speaker 1: it really happens in this offseason. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: we have a game against the Colts this weekend. Let's
Speaker 1: hope the Cowboys come out with another win and yeah,
Speaker 1: the guys Dave nine o'clock tomorrow. I haven't robbed Nate.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this show. Brian. Basically, when I got
Speaker 1: here this morning, he was like, we're gonna fight for
Speaker 1: an hour, like so nice. That's the attitude he's gonna.
Speaker 1: He's gonna, yeah, we're gonna have some good spear fight
Speaker 1: with someone on their birthday. Sure you do it, like
Speaker 1: not fight fight Like. He's not gonna punch Briant all
Speaker 1: day yesterday. It'll be fine. He fights with me all
Speaker 1: the time. Anyways, he's gonna have a hat right here
Speaker 1: on on Monday if they if they win this game,
Speaker 1: we'll get one. We'll steal one from somebody. That would
Speaker 1: be dope. Yeah, they'll have championship hundreds of them. Yeah
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