1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha, all of them stuff, 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: I never told you, a producted by Heart video. And 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: as we're getting to the end of the year, we're 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: bringing back some of our hits, our favorites, and both 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Samantha and I have chosen some favorites to replay for 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: the year, including Female First. We both chose a female First, 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: and I chose Harriet Shelton because I really love the 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: story of preserving language. That's something we've been talking about 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: a lot, and it's just something that as someone who 10 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: is interested in different languages that I really enjoyed that story. 11 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: You know. The unfortunate kind of thing is sometimes you 12 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: can't replay an episode that just happens, so you go 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: back a little bit further because there have been some 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: some recent episodes that I also love, but I'm like 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: that just came out. 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: So but I do. 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Love this one and hopefully you listeners love it too, 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: So please enjoy this classic episode. 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: Hey, this is. 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 3: Annie and Samantha and all coome stuff. 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I never told you pro Actually I heart rate you, 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: and it is time for another edition of Female First, 23 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: which means we are once again joined by the resilience 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: the definitely not. 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: Probably not a zombie thieves, welcome, thank you. 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 5: I do not wish to be a zombie, so. 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: I do not wish. 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 5: I just want everybody to know that I don't want 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 5: that for myself. 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: That's a fair caveat. 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: We should probably explain you have been a feeling ill. 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: Feel a little bit right, Yes, yes, And. 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: We were discussing before and there are just some things 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: that my horror movie Braid was like, this sounds a little. 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: Like, yes, And I was trying to reassure Annie that 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 5: I'm not a zombie. I'm not like infected by any spores, 37 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 5: because I know that I got whatever illness that I 38 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 5: had from the cleaning I was doing in the dust 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 5: that was kicked up from that cleaning, and. 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: My body was trying to expel it. 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 5: I was pretty sick, had a fever, all kinds of 42 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 5: symptoms for a week, and it really took me out. 43 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 5: But like I'm here now, I feel fully alive. I 44 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 5: feel like I'm not going to try to like eat anybody. 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 5: You know, I'm not going to anybody. I don't have 46 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 5: any of those feelings right now. I don't feel inherently changed, 47 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 5: you know, I feel like I feel like I would 48 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 5: say that if I was a songbie. But at the 49 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 5: same time, i'm I'm I'm all here, So I think 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 5: we're okay thus. 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: Far you're all here. I will say, maybe you're just 52 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: allergic to cleaning just say it. 53 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that sounds like such a like you're trying 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: to get somebody to clean and they're like, oh, I'm allergic. 55 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: I can't do that. 56 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 5: But you know, there are so many different allergies, many 57 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 5: of them surprising and like necessary to like things people 58 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 5: are allergic to that seem like they would be necessary 59 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 5: to functioning in. 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Life, and I like it probably exists. 61 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 5: Like I don't want to say that that doesn't exist, 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 5: because I know for my thing I was, I was 63 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 5: quote unquote allergic to exercise. That's like why I would 64 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 5: start itching when I would have exercise induced art to carria. 65 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean, so I don't know. 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: That's true though, right, because some people get the I mean, 67 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: there's asthma. But I'll so like sweat and itch and 68 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: stuff like that. 69 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did that one time. My face blew up. 70 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: My roommate got real scared. She's like, I gotta, I 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: gotta get you some bena drill. I was like, yeah, 72 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: you gotta give you some benadrill. 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: Bennadrill. 74 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I once had a very very severe h allergic reaction, 75 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: and through a comedy of errors that could have gone 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: really terribly, I couldn't get to a doctor. And uh, 77 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I just took some benadrill and I was like, hopefully 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: this doesn't and it did. So now benadril is a 79 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: thing that I always carry with. 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: It does help. 81 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 5: It does help, Okay, our good reminders of how fragile we. 82 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: Are as humans. 83 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, hey, can't handle a little pollen, Just 84 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: a reminder it's everywhere. 85 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 5: No, it's like completely necessary to the sustenance of life. 86 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: But can it kill you? 87 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that's right, that's the fun and misery of it all. Well, 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: have you been up to anything other than being sick? 89 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Eve since we last spoke? 90 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 5: Oh, since we last spoke, I believe so. I'm really 91 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 5: trying to remember it because we're in May now. I 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 5: think after the last time we spoke, that was after 93 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 5: I went to Guatemala, I think I have been I've 94 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 5: been kind of chill since then. I have really been 95 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 5: about staying in place and I like have been just 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 5: like with my head down working so I don't really 97 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 5: think there are many updates since the last time we spoke. 98 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like you could have a hole where 99 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: in the world is ease, Like I never know what 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna say when we asked this, So it's great. 101 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I needed to stay. I need to keep 102 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: my feet on solid ground for a second, and I 103 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 5: still do. And I have some travel coming up, and 104 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: I'm like, like, this week, next week, a lot of travel. 105 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 5: I just I signed myself up for more tras. I 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 5: just got where today. There is a lottery for seeing 107 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 5: synchronized fireflies in the Great Smoking Mouns, and I got 108 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: got into the lottery, so I finally get to see 109 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 5: them after wanting to see them at a different National 110 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 5: park for a minute. That I always forget the lottery 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: for every year, and I'm like, dang it, I always 112 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 5: miss it, and I missed it again this year after 113 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 5: setting a reminder. But then I was like, I could 114 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 5: just do it in a smoking mountains. I realized that, 115 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, but like I keep this This month is 116 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 5: very like jam packed of like family obligations and graduation 117 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 5: things like that. So I've been really feeling like I 118 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 5: need to stay here and when I do go away, 119 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 5: it's got to be for a little bit of a time, 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 5: a little bit of time, because I'm about to like 121 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 5: be gone for a little bit in June. 122 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: Well, congratulations, that's awesome. 123 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: I'm jealous. 124 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: I forgot about that because I had a really good 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: friend who was a hiking enthusiast and love to do 126 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: camping and hikes, and they're like, we have to come back. 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: You will love. This is magical. 128 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Man. 129 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 5: Yes, it's gonna I can't wait to hear about it. Yeah, 130 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: it's gonna be like a Miyazaki movie. Is kind of 131 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 5: what I'm imagining. I don't know, but yeah, I'm I'm 132 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: excited that I finally remembered because I was always I 133 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 5: would try to sign up for the one in Congrey 134 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 5: in South Carolina. That's the national park in South Carolina, 135 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 5: and they have it there as well, but it was 136 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 5: just before the one in the Great Smoking Mountains and 137 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 5: I was right on time and remembering, Uh so I 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 5: got to sign up for the lottery. 139 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: Unfortunately got in. So yeah, I'm so cool. 140 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 5: And also, if anybody else listening knows about any sort 141 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: of like specific natural phenomenon that only happens ever, so 142 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: often in like whatever landscape terrain where you are. Please 143 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 5: let me know because I'm trying to find more things 144 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 5: like this and it's kind of hard to google. I 145 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 5: tried to google it, but the Internet has no idea 146 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 5: what my request is. 147 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: So I was gonna say, I guess some like videos 148 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: from my fyp or TikTok and such, but it's always 149 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: like a week after it. I was like, well, damn, yeah, 150 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 3: that happened. 151 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: Yes, Unfortunately, what happens to me, it's like you're not 152 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: working algorithm. 153 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: Right, like this, this is not the way this works. 154 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: Right. You have bought us quite a wide ranging story today. 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: So who are we talking about today, Eves? 156 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 5: Today we're talking about Harriet Shelton Dover, And I actually 157 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 5: this was born from travel because I was looking for 158 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 5: people in Washington and the n the Seattle area, and 159 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 5: I also wanted to talk about more Indigenous people in 160 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 5: these female first episodes, so like it really worked out well, 161 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 5: but this actually was born of travel. So yeah, we're 162 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 5: talking about Harriet Shelton Dover today. And she was the 163 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: first woman chair of the Tulalip Tribes Board of Directors 164 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 5: and also in Harriet's autobiography, she also says that she 165 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 5: thinks that what she wrote was the first history of 166 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 5: te Lalap written by a t Lalup Indian, So that 167 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 5: is another first that she said that she had. 168 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: And I said. 169 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: Indian because she preferred to use the terms Indian and 170 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 5: American Indian throughout the episode. Whenever that comes up, I'll 171 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: probably say Native American or Indigenous people or something like that. 172 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 5: But Harriet herself did prefer to use those terms. 173 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: And she she did all kinds of stuff. She really 174 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: really I was reading, like whoa, and so now we're 175 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: over here. Now we're over here, so let's get into it, Eves. 176 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: Can I start with the history? 177 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, So Harriet was born on November nineteenth, nineteen oh 178 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 5: four to William Shelton and Rusie Home. They were from 179 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 5: different tribes, but Harriet herself was born on the Tulalp 180 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 5: Reservation at Mission Beach in Tulaylip Bay, and that's near Marysville, Washington. 181 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 5: So the Tulalip Tribes are a confederation that includes Snowhomish, Skycomish, 182 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 5: snowqaal Mee, and many other tribes that were successors to 183 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 5: the ones that signed the Treaty of Point Elliott. In 184 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 5: eighteen fifty five, so her dad was also the last 185 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 5: hereditary Snawhomish tribal chief in Tulayalip. He worked at the 186 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 5: local mill and as a general mechanic, but he was 187 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 5: also just a very important person and did lots of 188 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 5: community work. Harriet was the youngest of six children, and 189 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 5: she said that her home as a child was a 190 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 5: three roomhouse that her father called a cottage, and it 191 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 5: was on the old Tulaylop Mission school grounds, So her 192 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 5: father had a history going to the mission school, but 193 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 5: once once Harriet was in the picture, the school was 194 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: no longer in existence. Harriet mostly spoke the Snahomish dialect 195 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 5: of the Coast Salish language. In her younger years, as 196 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 5: a child, she would collect firewood, pick berry. She learned 197 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 5: to do things that her family taught her how to 198 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 5: do that were traditional, like she learned to smoke salmon, 199 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 5: and she. 200 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: Was baptized as a Catholic. 201 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 5: But Native Americans couldn't go to public schools and her 202 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 5: dad didn't want her to go to the mission school, 203 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 5: so Harriet ended up going to the reservation's government run 204 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 5: to Leilap boarding school when she was seven years old, 205 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 5: and there is a lot that's said about her experiences 206 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 5: at the boarding school. 207 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: She talks about it in her autobiography. 208 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 5: It was standard that like all the students were assigned 209 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 5: in ID number Harriet's was thirty three. 210 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: They wore uniforms. 211 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: They started the day with the roll call and exercise 212 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 5: and ended at nine pm sharp. They would have like 213 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 5: inspections on Saturdays. They couldn't speak their native languages at 214 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 5: the boarding school. And I was watching there is a 215 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 5: short documentary about Harriet, and there's a clip in there 216 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 5: of her of an interview with Harriet, and she was 217 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 5: talking about an experience that she had when she was 218 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 5: nine years old and a friend and her were speaking 219 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 5: in her native language and they got in trouble for it. 220 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: So they were like whispering to each other. 221 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 5: They were overheard and she was beaten from her neck 222 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 5: to her ankles, So the back of her neck to 223 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: her ankles is how they describe it. 224 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: So she was hit pretty hard. 225 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 5: It was described that like in her tribal culture, it 226 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: wasn't the case that the kids were like punished in ways. 227 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 5: There wasn't There wasn't really physical punishment. There were no 228 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: beings as part of punishment. And raising a child and 229 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 5: disciplining them. But it was in her school, and she 230 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 5: seems to have been very affected by that beating, like 231 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 5: she says she remembers it to that day and said 232 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 5: that she was really hurt by it to that day. 233 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 5: So it definitely affected her. But I would imagine more 234 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: so because it was because she was speaking her language, 235 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 5: and the way she described it was like I loved 236 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 5: the language it was, it sounded great. I wanted to 237 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 5: speak it with her at that time, and it was 238 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 5: for that simple fact that they were beat for it. 239 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 5: But in February of nineteen seventeen, Harriet's sister Ruth was 240 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: sent home because she was sick. Harriet soon also got 241 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 5: sick and was sent home. Ruth unfortunately died of tuberculosis 242 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 5: in May. Harriet got better, but she ended up kind 243 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 5: of lagging on her education. She finished at the boarding 244 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: school in nineteen twenty two. When she got out of 245 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: the boarding school, she says in her autobiography, she was 246 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 5: like she swore she was never going back to church 247 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 5: again because she had been in church all the time 248 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 5: and was praying all the time. Her mother was pretty devout, 249 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 5: and she was disappointed because you know, her mother was 250 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 5: in church every Sunday, and Harriet was like, I'm not 251 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 5: doing that again. But Harriet did say that there was 252 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 5: a lot of pressure on the Native Americans from the Christians. 253 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: This is a quote from her autobiography. Harriet said, those poor, 254 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 5: misguided people, they were bound and determined to save all 255 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 5: of our miserable souls. If people have heard anything about 256 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 5: this time period and about how Native Americans were treated 257 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 5: by white folks and by Christians, it was a lot 258 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 5: of talk and action of trying to civilize people in 259 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 5: Native American tribes, trying to get them to assimilate, punishing 260 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 5: them for taking part in their traditional culture, in their religions, 261 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: in their language, in the clothing that they were wearing, 262 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 5: in actions that they were taking, like what they did 263 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 5: as far as lifestyle, making them farmers, things like that. 264 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: There was a lot of. 265 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 5: Doing their best to in harmful ways, separate them from 266 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 5: all aspects of their traditional identities. So that was part 267 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 5: of that, and Harriet briefly talked about that from a 268 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: religious perspective in her autobiography. But Harriet did end up 269 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 5: graduating from Everett High School in nineteen twenty six, and 270 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 5: she said that high school was a better experience than 271 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 5: boarding school was. She didn't care for the boarding school 272 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 5: experience that much, but it was definitely formative, a formative 273 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 5: time for her. So Harriet had dreams of going to college, 274 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 5: but she didn't end up going to college at this time. Okay, 275 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 5: that's a little bit of foreshadowing. So she was involved 276 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 5: in her community though, as we said earlier, her father 277 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 5: was also very involved in the community. By nineteen twenty three, 278 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 5: her brother Robert was working with the Tulalup Improvement Club 279 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 5: and he was preparing claims and complaints against the government 280 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 5: about fraudulent sales of native land. There are lots of 281 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 5: fishing rights and lack of medical care. And Harriet would 282 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 5: type up the testimonies of elderly natives and she recorded 283 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 5: meeting minutes. So she was already working as this kind 284 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 5: of tu Laylup historian, gathering stories, documenting people's stories. In 285 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 5: nineteen twenty six, she met Francis aka Frank Williams at 286 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 5: a dance event in Seattle. Now Harriet's mom was a 287 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: little concerned that Harriet didn't know him well enough, but 288 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 5: the two of them, Frank and Harriet's still got married 289 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 5: in July of nineteen twenty six. Only Francis's cousin was 290 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 5: a witness. 291 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: For their marriage. 292 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 5: Harriet's parents were not there, but they still moved into 293 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 5: an apartment together, and later in nineteen twenty eight, they 294 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 5: had a son together named Wayne Williams. But it didn't 295 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 5: seem like she had the best experience in their marriage. 296 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: She was. 297 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 5: Described as being lonely, homesick. Sometimes Frank would send money 298 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 5: to his mother, but it didn't seem. 299 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: Like Harriet was always so supported. 300 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 5: He had a temper apparently didn't always trust her while 301 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 5: he was away working. But their marriage was strained, is 302 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 5: what it came down to. They didn't end up divorcing 303 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 5: at this time, but they did divorce many years later. 304 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 5: When Harriet's brother died in nineteen thirty, suddenly the Snahomus 305 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 5: tribe voted Harriet in to replace him as secretary. Eventually 306 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 5: the org became the Northwest Federation of American Indians. Then 307 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 5: it was the Tulaela Tribal Council, and that council focused 308 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 5: on bettering Native environments and welfare, and at that point 309 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 5: it had five members, but then it evolved to become 310 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 5: the Board of Directors and it had seven members. But yeah, 311 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 5: so Frank before they ended up getting divorce, Frank had 312 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 5: gotten a job with the Washington State Ferry System, but 313 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 5: then he ended up getting laid off. Technology was changing, 314 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 5: the old steamships were being phased out, and Harriet ended 315 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 5: up moving back in with her parents. So all the while, 316 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 5: Harriet is working different jobs, and eventually she was elected 317 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 5: to serve on the Tulalup Tribe's Board of directors. So 318 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 5: she served on the board from nineteen thirty eight to 319 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 5: nineteen forty two, then nineteen forty four to nineteen forty six, 320 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 5: and later nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty one. But yeah, 321 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 5: so Harriet's also working. She's working different jobs over the 322 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 5: course of this year. So she was at a job 323 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 5: at a restaurant in Seattle that was called Twin Tpe's, 324 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 5: which had a lot of like cheesy Native American themed decor. 325 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 5: In September of nineteen forty two to around nineteen forty five, 326 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 5: she was working a job at the Boeing plant in Seattle. 327 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 5: But she also served as the chair on the board 328 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 5: of directors for a year in about nineteen forty five 329 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 5: or nineteen forty six, and This is her first and 330 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 5: made her the first Native American woman. 331 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: To be in that position. 332 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: She was also working at a post office on the reservation. 333 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 5: By nineteen forty nine, she was and this is where 334 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 5: she met a man named George Dover because he would 335 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 5: come by to pick up mail for his family members. 336 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: And once again Harriet's family members didn't really approve of George, 337 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 5: but she still married him in nineteen fifty They had 338 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 5: a son named William Dover and they stayed married until 339 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 5: George's death in nineteen sixty nine. So she Harriet did 340 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 5: a lot. So she also served as a tribal judge. 341 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 5: Nineteen fifty one, she served on the Marysville School Board. 342 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 5: She was also a teacher's aide and electoral Native American 343 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 5: culture so she would go to different classrooms and talk 344 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 5: about her culture and bring some of her artifacts along 345 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 5: with her. She was the first PTA president at Tulela 346 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 5: Elementary School after it opened thanks to her donating some 347 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 5: of her own land. She was also a member of 348 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: the Seattle Historical Society and she gave testimony for United 349 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 5: States Versus Washington Phase one in nineteen seventy three, which 350 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 5: was a salmon fishing rights case, and so one notable, 351 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 5: I mean a lot of stuff is notable about her legacy, 352 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 5: but one really big thing that she did was the 353 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 5: salmon ceremony that they held in their tribe was outlawed, 354 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 5: but Harriet was involved in bringing back the tradition. So 355 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 5: in nineteen seventy, Harriet and a group of other people 356 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 5: gathered to talk about the salmon ceremony and bringing it back. 357 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 5: They met for several weeks, so Harriet herself hadn't been 358 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 5: at it and put on a salmon ceremony before, but 359 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: as the group of people, they were collectively gathering information 360 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 5: that they had, so what they remembered growing up, what 361 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 5: they knew of and heard of their family doing, they 362 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: would get together and talk about it. They ended up 363 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 5: finalizing the run of ceremony based on what they could 364 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 5: remember their families would do. And then Harriet went to 365 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 5: a board of directors meeting and the board said that 366 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 5: they would appropriate some money for the ceremony. Said it 367 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: was basically like she was like, Okay, it's official, now 368 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 5: this must happen. Harriet and the other planners determined that 369 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: they would hold the ceremony in June when it was 370 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 5: high tide and they did, so she was instrumental in 371 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 5: bringing the salmon ceremony back. In her autobiography, it was 372 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 5: mentioned that Harriet didn't really want to include her role 373 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 5: in bringing the salmon ceremony back, and that was because 374 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 5: she didn't want to sound like she was. 375 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: Gloating about it. 376 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 5: It seemed like she was pretty she was pretty reserved 377 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 5: about certain things, or like to be modest about certain things. 378 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 5: Because it's also mentioned in her autobiography that like she 379 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 5: preferred to speak in the passive voice rather than the 380 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 5: active voice. So in general, her speaking her own tribal 381 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 5: language was a big part of how she saw the world. 382 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 5: She cared about it a lot, and it was instrumental 383 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 5: at understanding how she interacted with people and communicate it 384 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 5: with people. So like, uh, the the way that she 385 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 5: would prefer to speak was in passive voice because active 386 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 5: voice felt a little bit too to direct for her, 387 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 5: and that was something that was taken into consideration as 388 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 5: they were figuring out how to put the autobiography together. 389 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 5: But anyway, we'll come back to the autobiography in just 390 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 5: a moment. But in nineteen seventy six, Harriett ended up 391 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 5: going to Everett Community college, and at first she was like, 392 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 5: it's been a long time since I've been in school, 393 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 5: It's been like fifty years, Like I can go back 394 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 5: to college. Do I want to go back to college? 395 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 5: But she did end up going back for a few reasons. 396 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 5: At this point, tribal members could enroll at the local 397 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 5: community college and be funded by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. 398 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 5: The federal government could no longer keep tribal members from 399 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 5: getting an education at these colleges due to change in 400 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 5: the relocation determination programs, and Harriet wanted to be a 401 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 5: role modeled to young folks in this regard. And she 402 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 5: also wanted more education so that she would be able 403 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 5: to write a history of the Tlala reservation. So she 404 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 5: majored in anthropology and history, and she took classes with 405 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 5: Darlene Fitzpatrick. They ended up developing a French and Darlene 406 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 5: helped Harriet in the recording, editing, organizing the narratives for 407 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: her life for the autobiography. 408 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: So Darlene also is. 409 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 5: Talks about Harriet in the autobiography if you read it. 410 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 5: But yeah, Harriet graduated with her associate's degree in nineteen 411 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 5: seventy eight and she was on the council for about 412 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 5: fourteen years. Over the years, she also worked as a 413 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: domestic servant for families. She would also speak with people 414 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 5: on other reservations about how their lives were and how 415 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 5: they were changed after the treaties were signed. She collected 416 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: materials about t Laylap history and she did research and 417 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 5: she began working on the manuscript for the book around 418 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 5: nineteen eighty one, and they were taping her narratives for 419 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 5: a a couple of years. And in her later life, 420 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 5: Harriet spent time teaching other people her language, Lashutsi, and 421 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 5: she dedicated a lot of her time to going out 422 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 5: in the community and making sure that her language and 423 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 5: cultural history were preserved. She did end up getting breast 424 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 5: cancer and she died when she was eighty six years 425 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 5: old in February of nineteen ninety one. So many of 426 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 5: the Shelton family's artifacts are at the Heba Cultural Center, 427 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 5: and Harriet's life is documented in the book To Lay 428 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 5: Up from My Heart, an autobiographical account of a reservation community. Yeah, 429 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 5: it's work. It's a book that was published after she 430 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: passed away, but it was also in her own words 431 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 5: because she was able to document that and record it 432 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 5: before she passed away, so it seems to be like 433 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 5: it's a real treasure. As I said at the beginning 434 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: of the episode, she said that it was, you know, 435 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 5: the only one written by like the other accounts of 436 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 5: t Laylap were written by white people basically, so she 437 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: said that it was the first history of t Lalup 438 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 5: written by a t lalem Indian. So definitely worth reading 439 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 5: and an amazing thing to have because it's like clear 440 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 5: how much love and thoughtfulness was put into the autobiography, 441 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 5: even down to the way that they like the syntax 442 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 5: of it, in the way that they structured sentences, because 443 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 5: she liked to speak in longer sentences and really disliked 444 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 5: short sentences, and so because of that reason, they wrote 445 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 5: the more longer sentences in the book. And also they 446 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 5: were really thoughtful about how they were presenting the timeline, 447 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 5: so she didn't really want to do it completely chronologically, 448 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 5: even though there was a little bit of pushback from 449 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 5: the publisher in that way, they really felt it was 450 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 5: necessary to be because of the way time is interwoven, 451 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 5: in the way that they think about time, necessary to 452 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 5: not go one hundred in a linear chronological fashion, but 453 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 5: instead documented how Harriet would have documented it, which is saying, well, 454 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 5: this is this is a topic, this is something that 455 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 5: happened at one moment in time, but this is the 456 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 5: history of it, or this is what it links back 457 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 5: to in my history and in our history. And that's 458 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 5: evident through the way that they like they organized the autobiography. So, yes, 459 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 5: Harriet had a history, and it is documented in the 460 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: autobiography and the documentary that you can find online about her. 461 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: I love that the autobiography exists because having that in 462 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: her own words. We've talked about that so many times 463 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: about how valuable that is. But I'm also a huge 464 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: language nerd, so I love how I love thinking about 465 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, about how you're the language shapes 466 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: the way you think. 467 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: And that's not to say you can. 468 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: You can think outside of that, but it is really 469 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: interesting how it shapes your thoughts. And so I'm really 470 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: glad that she was a force. And we're gonna make 471 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: sure this language and this traditions and these cultures and 472 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: all of that all right, which were erased in like 473 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: this are attempted to be erased in this horrible way, 474 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: Like We're going to make sure that they're preserved. I'm 475 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: going to do everything I can to make sure that 476 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: they're preserved. So I'm just grateful that it's one of 477 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: those things, just like I hate that she had to 478 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: do it, but I'm grateful that she was there to 479 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: do it. 480 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 3: It's interesting because we've talked about the extinct languages, especially 481 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: when it comes to native native languages and how they 482 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 3: have been forcefully erased and being taken out altogether, like 483 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: just forgotten. And I love that she had the foresight 484 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: because honestly, it took a lot of other people a 485 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 3: lot longer to realize what was happening. Eshe she understood 486 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: pretty quickly what was going down and what the white 487 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: people were doing. They're like, yeah, they're trying to erase 488 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: us initially, and just talking about how important it was 489 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: to preserve that. Also, she is an obvious writer. She's like, no, 490 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: this can't be this can't be chronological order. We mean, 491 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: we need we need to change this up. Has to 492 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: be different. I'm like, oh, oh, so you're not just 493 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: the teacher his Dorian, You're a storyteller so much among 494 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: the like native peoples and understanding this is how it goes. 495 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna I'm gonna I want to write it 496 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: this way. Also, I'm a big fan of long sentences, as. 497 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: You can tell, I have too. 498 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Yeah. 499 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 5: And she also talks about in her autobiography how like 500 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 5: she learned things because they were passed down orally, and 501 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 5: that's also how she was like transmitting her story. And yeah, 502 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 5: I think it's also just really inspirational to see people 503 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 5: who are committed to preserving history, because that's not everybody 504 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 5: that like thinks about in real time what something's value 505 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,479 Speaker 5: is in the long term. You have to have like 506 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 5: a really long long view on things to think about that. 507 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 5: So it's like, Okay, I have this belt, and I 508 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 5: saved it because I know that it's going to be 509 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 5: important to the preservation of our my tribes, my community's 510 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 5: cultural history, and that should be saved for other people 511 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 5: in the future to enjoy and also for them to 512 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 5: be able to learn about their own history, because that's 513 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 5: because it's important. It's so easy to just go on 514 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 5: about your life, you know, have it be wrote and 515 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 5: not in real time understand the weight of artifacts and 516 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 5: the weight of how things are changing. Because I imagine 517 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 5: over the course of her life she saw a lot 518 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 5: of change. She experienced a lot of change, and she 519 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 5: also heard about a lot of change from her elders 520 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 5: and from her grandparents. She said in her books she 521 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 5: was like, yeah, my parents loved me, but like I 522 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 5: had like three grandmothers who lived in the area like 523 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 5: close to me, and they just really. 524 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: Loved on me, is what she said. 525 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 5: So you know, she had a lot of She had 526 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 5: a lot of clearly respect and reverence for preserving cultural history. 527 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: And it's so. 528 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 5: It's so important to have people who come to that 529 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 5: calling because if it weren't for. 530 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: Them, then this wouldn't exist in the first place. 531 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 5: And I imagine she inspired many other people to do 532 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: similar kind of preservation and historical work angle and continue 533 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 5: the quest for education and knowledge no matter how old 534 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 5: you are in life. Was clearly, you know, part of 535 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 5: a way that she she inspired people. So yeah, I 536 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 5: think it's really that's a nice part of her legacy 537 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 5: to reflect. 538 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: On, right, No, that's just such amazing, Like we just 539 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 3: celebrated Mother's Day, and that's kind of that tale of 540 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: like showing love shows it comes out differently, and sharing 541 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: your heritage and being proud of your heritage and your 542 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 3: background and wanting to make sure that it's preserved through 543 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: your children and that your children can learn that love 544 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: as well as a way like that's so beautiful. 545 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, touching. Yeah, it really is. 546 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 4: It takes work, it takes dedication. This is not the 547 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 4: same level. 548 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: But I remember when the pandemic first happened, I was like, 549 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to document all of this. I'm going to 550 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: do everything, and like two weeks later, I was like, 551 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: so much. 552 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 2: Got on the field. 553 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 3: I'll tell them about the field. 554 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: But it is what it is like it takes like 555 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: not only the foresight and the like caring, but it 556 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: is work that it is work and dedication. So I'm 557 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: glad that she was there to do it and that 558 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: we could have this conversation today. Jeeves as always who 559 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: we love talking to you and learning these stories. 560 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Is always for being here. Can 561 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 4: the good listeners find you? 562 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 5: Y'all can find me at my website first and foremost. 563 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 5: You can get to everything from there pretty much, and 564 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 5: that is Eve's Jeffcoat dot com. That's spelled y v 565 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 5: E S J E F F C A T dot com. 566 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 5: You can sign up for my newsletter there. You can 567 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 5: get to my Instagram. 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