1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. My grandmother, her name 2 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: was Pearl. Pearl Morgan is her name, and she essentially 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: raised me. She taught me everything I knew about our 4 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: family history, the history of where our family had come from, 5 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the branches of our family that had settled throughout Mississippi 6 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: and South Louisiana, and I embraced that even as a 7 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: small child. Learning from her, I learned the value of 8 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: having a meal cooked by her, and certainly now at 9 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: this stage in my life, I missed that almost more 10 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: than anything I can imagine. And in her kitchen always 11 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: had a particular life of its own because that's where 12 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: the family gathered. Her sisters would come by every day 13 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: to eat lunch there. She had four of them. Her 14 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: brother couldn't show up because well, he was a homicide victim, 15 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and I was named after him. But my grandmother left 16 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: something with me that I shall never forget, and that 17 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: was the soothing, gentle touch of her hand, whether it 18 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: was whether it was me being sick or needing comforting 19 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: during tough times with my parents not around. But I 20 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: remember the way her hands looked, I remember the way 21 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: they felt when she would tell me that everything was 22 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: going to be okay. Today, I'm going to talk about 23 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: another grandmother, a grandmother from my hometown of New Orleans, Louisiana, 24 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: a lady who died quite arguably one of the most 25 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: brutal deaths that we can possibly imagine, and she was 26 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: loved by her children and her grandchildren. That lady's name 27 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: is Linda Frickey. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is 28 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: body David. I don't normally do this, but I kind 29 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: of gave myself a chill and I was sitting here 30 00:02:53,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about my grandmother, and it draws 31 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: up such emotion for me that when you live, you 32 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: live a life that is a good life, and those 33 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: that are around you love you more than gold. You 34 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: deserve better than to be robbed of that life and 35 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: taken away from those who have so much value placed 36 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: in you in the life that you live and what 37 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: you've done for them. And I could not I've debated 38 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: about this case for several weeks. We've talked about it previously. 39 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know if I wanted to cover it, but 40 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: I just feel compelled to say something because I'm afraid 41 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: that this is going to be forgotten. And I don't 42 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: want this to be forgotten because it is so horrible. 43 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: It is a stain on my hometown. And there's a 44 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: lot that goes on down there that I know, it's 45 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: very dangerous. But this, even even with all of the 46 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: violence that weaves its health in and out of New Orleans, now, 47 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: this case, my God, Dave, this case, just it it 48 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: stands out. I don't know of anything more horrific than that. 49 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, so many times in a crime story, 50 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: it's the killer that gets the attention, not the victim. 51 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: The victim gets lost in the shuffle. And you know, 52 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: you talking about your own grandmother with such respect and 53 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: love and dignity, and you know, Linda Frickey has children 54 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: and grandchildren that speak of her that that way, with 55 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: love and respect. And at seventy three years old, Linda 56 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: Frickey was carjacked in New Orleans. Prosecutors say it was 57 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: not a spur of the moment decision, it was a 58 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: planned crime. Four teenagers, seventeen year old John Honoree, and 59 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: three girls between the ages of fifteen and seventeen, conspired 60 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: to steal Miss Fricky's suv. Each of the four had 61 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: a role to play in the carjacking. Honoree served as 62 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: the leader of the gang, the main aggressor, the getaway driver. 63 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: He pepper sprayed, punched, kicked, and stomped in the face 64 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: of a seventy three year old woman. He then is 65 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: tasked with being the getaway driver. So he drives going 66 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: down the road, but he sees Linda Fricky as holding 67 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: on like she doesn't want to let go of her car. 68 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: She can't let go. Her arm has gotten tangled in 69 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: to the seatbelt, and so Henri is punching and kicking 70 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: and doing everything you can't get her to fall off 71 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: the car. She can't fall off the car. After two 72 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: blocks of dragging the seventy three ye old woman down 73 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: the road, punching, kicking, and screaming at her because she 74 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: can't get loose. In an effort to get her off 75 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: the car, he jumps a curb and hits the utility 76 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: pulled guy wire that severs Frickey's arm, freeing her from 77 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: the suv. 78 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: And you'll hear our friend Nancy Grace say this sometimes, 79 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: and it's if you take a criminal law course, even 80 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: at an unngraduate level, they'll our constitutional law. Course, they 81 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: will use the term that an event so shocked the 82 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: conscience of the court. I submit to you that this 83 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: was one of those cases that not only shocked the 84 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: conscience of Orleans Parish Court and the Prosecutor's office, but 85 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: also it's sent shockwaves through the city. And this is 86 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: a city that, unfortunately many times is numb to crime. 87 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: The fact that this this literally made people for for 88 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: a moment at least stop and draw breath, and you know, 89 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: have to do a double take, because when you know, 90 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: when you when you think that things are absolutely horrific, 91 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: you better hold on because there is always another gear that, 92 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: particularly where human depravity comes in vit you're. 93 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: Looking at a victim of all victims, Joe, You're looking 94 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: at a woman who was doing nothing to. 95 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: Anybody, nothing, nothing at all, and it's breathing and these 96 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: are you know where this occurred. This was actually a 97 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: location that that I'm very familiar with in the city. Uh. 98 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: It was near Scott Drive in Bienville. And it's not 99 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: it's not in the French Quarter. Just so everybody understands 100 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: that this is what's this area of the city. Uh. 101 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: In Atlanta that called the middle part of the city 102 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Midtown in New Orleans they call it mid City. And 103 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: so you're not in the central business district. You're not 104 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: in the Vookay, which is the old term that was 105 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: used for the French Quarter. You know, you're not in 106 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: the wealthy area of town where the oil millionaires and 107 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: the Mannings live and all this. You're this is truly, uh, 108 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: the original working class area, you know. And this the 109 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: streets are laid out in perfect grids. There's a lot 110 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: of old neighborhoods. There was a huge Italian in population. 111 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I wish I could take 112 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: you here. One of my favorite restaurants in the world 113 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: is a place called Loses and Loses is this old 114 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: fashioned Italian restaurant that I would go to every opportunity 115 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: that I possibly could. And there's several restaurants down there 116 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: that make up this area of town that you know, 117 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: it's seen good times, it's seen bad times. And you know, 118 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: even when I was there, and I lived not too 119 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: far away from where this actually occurred. When I first 120 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: started college, I lived in Midtown myself, my roommate. It 121 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: was dangerous then. I was mugged, you know before in 122 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: that area. But it's like being in any big city. 123 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: And you know, as a young man, I was really shocked. 124 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: Now as an older guy, it's like, it's not that shocking. 125 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: It's going to happen if you if you stay in 126 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: these locations, you run the risk of that happening. But 127 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: there was nothing like this. It just it hadn't It 128 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: hadn't happened. And when we begin to kind of fill 129 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: in the blanks here, I think that many of our listeners, Dave, 130 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: are going to sit back and you're going to scratch 131 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: your head and you're going to think, how, how in 132 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: the how in the world could a teenager, a group 133 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: of teenagers get to the point where they are so 134 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: depraved that they're incapable of showing mercy. They're incapable of 135 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: showing mercy, and it it it just boggles to mind. 136 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: And and it let me tell you something else. And 137 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: it's not just it's not just the family of Linda 138 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: Frickey that had to go through this, but Dave, there 139 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: there were there were witnesses. There were witnesses to this 140 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: event that were screaming out for these carjackers to stop. 141 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: Just as you say, let's back up for just a second, 142 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: right there. It's a carjacking that takes place in front 143 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: of witnesses in an area that, as you've described, an 144 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: area you are intimately familiar with. You know these streets. 145 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: You know that it's not not rodeo drive. It is 146 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: a it would it be called a rough and tumbled neighborhood, Joe. 147 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: I guess it could be if certain areas of mid city, Okay, 148 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: But there's a quaintness to it too. 149 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: All right now, Linda Friki is in her car right yes, 150 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: driving down the road. There is a group of young people, teens. 151 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 2: The I don't want to call him the leader, John Henrie. 152 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you explained to me how to how 153 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: to pronounce his name, because I thought, what an odd name. 154 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: There is no honor in this person, John hen Ree. 155 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old. He is not the only person involved. 156 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: He's the one person who had every opportunity in the 157 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: world to stop at any time, to stop the madness, 158 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: but he took the wheel and ran with it from 159 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: the very game. 160 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: Let me stop you right here, because this is kind 161 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: of the way the thing went down, and this is 162 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: what makes it all the more shocking. These four teens were, 163 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: and it's onn RE and it's three compatriots here and 164 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: the other three are females. 165 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: Right. 166 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: I was going to point out that I don't want 167 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: to appear sexist, but that doesn't strike me as a 168 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: normal occurrence. 169 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if it is. Mathematically, Maybe it is. 170 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: Maybe there are in big cities all over the United 171 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: States of America and groups of four people, one guy 172 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: and three girls committing crimes, physically violent crimes that lead 173 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: to death. I don't know, it just sounds odd to me. 174 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: Maybe that's the old sexist to me coming out. 175 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't think there's anything sexist about it. 176 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: It's just the reality that people gravitate toward one another 177 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: and somebody's going to wind up being a leader in 178 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: that group. And I think that it probably was onn RE. 179 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: But you know, Linda Frickey had actually gone into a 180 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: store and she was picking up some items and just 181 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: kind of let me, let me just kind of set 182 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: set the The way this looks when when you're in 183 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: New Orleans, it's kind of I've always compared it to 184 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: like a miniature Manhattan in the sense that there's no 185 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: off street parking, hardly at all. People that live in 186 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: town are heavily dependent upon public transportation. The streets are old, 187 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: and if you park, you have to park on the 188 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: street if you can find a spot. And I've done 189 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: this many times. You pull up next to the curb, 190 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've ever seen these in 191 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: older towns, Dave, the curbs will have you'll have a 192 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: poured concrete curb and along the leading edge on the 193 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: top there is a metal strip that runs down the 194 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: length of it to keep the curb intact. And these 195 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: are everywhere. They're all over the place. We used to 196 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: call them tire poppers, because if you clip thing, it'll 197 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: pop your tire and you have to be aware of that. 198 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: But Dave, you know they've got CCTV in regards to this, 199 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: and you can actually see two of the individuals walking 200 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: down street heading toward the car, and then you've got 201 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: a third and then there's Henri. And so Henri actually 202 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: shows up close to the end and he accosts Linda. 203 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: Now let's just think about just for a second. You're 204 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: bent over, your back is to the sidewalk, you're bent over, 205 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and you're putting something in your car. Look are you 206 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: actually thinking you're going to be robbed or carjacked or assaulted. 207 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: Oh that's not what you're thinking. You're thinking, I've been 208 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: coming here to this area maybe my entire adult life. 209 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Nothing's ever happened to me, or I've got enough situational 210 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: awareness that I can kind of see my way around. 211 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: I can tell you, at this age in my life, 212 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: I don't have the same situational awareness that I did 213 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: when I was twenty five. I just don't, And so 214 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: so your skills begin to drop down a little bit, 215 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: particularly in an urban environment like this. She was essentially 216 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: attacked while she's in this very vulnerable position, and my 217 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: friend I got to tell you after she was attacked, 218 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: the initial attack was only the beginning. The one thing 219 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: that's really hard to take the measure of when you're 220 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: a citizen and you're just going about your everyday life. 221 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: Just pretend for a moment that you're out and you're 222 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: going for a walk, maybe you're jogging, maybe you're out, 223 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, taking your dog outdoors so that they can 224 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: do their business. But just imagine you suddenly, without any provocation, 225 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: you have no idea that it's going to happen. You 226 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: look up and arguably the most horrific thing that you've 227 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: ever born witness to literally plays out right in front 228 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: of you, and Dave, that's what actually happened there. There 229 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: was a young lady who heard her husband live adjacent 230 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: to where the carjacking took place. Leanne and Mark Mascar. Leanne, 231 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: I think had been out doing some running or jogging 232 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: that's associated with her yoga that she daily does. And 233 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: she saw, she saw this car going down the road. 234 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: And can you imagine, she hears a woman the sound 235 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: of her voice pierces the air in broad daylight, mind 236 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: you in broad daylight, and stay, please stop, please stop, 237 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: And when she looks up, Dave, seventy two year old 238 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Linda Fricky is being drug down the road and the 239 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: only thing that is keeping her attached to the car 240 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: is her arm that is trapped in the seat belt 241 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: as she's and they can't close the door. Henria is 242 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: driving the car, by the way, can't even close the door. 243 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: And this lady that had been out in her yard 244 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: with her husband actually witnesses thing occur. And I can't remember, 245 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: you need to refresh my memory. I can't remember how 246 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: far was it that that she was drug I can't recall. 247 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: I think I told you just a second. 248 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: Or two ago, two blocks, two blocks. 249 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: And that's. 250 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: It. 251 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Can't I don't even know if any of us can fathom. 252 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I've certainly stumbled on the sidewalk, I've fallen. 253 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: I've never had my car slip out of gear and 254 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: drive away with me attached to it. How much more 255 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: so can you imagine being trapped in your car and 256 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: being drug outside of it for two blocks? How does 257 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: that even happen? 258 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: You have to back up to that too and realize 259 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: that before that happened you mentioned she's leaning over her 260 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: car to put stuff in her car. Henrie gets in 261 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: and starts beating her. He catches her off guard and 262 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: is beating her. I can't get past that. I'm having 263 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: trouble there, Joe, because you've got an eighteen year old 264 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: man with three girls, and he gets in the car 265 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: and beats the seventy three year old woman. She can't 266 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: even get out of the car fast enough before they're 267 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: going down the road because her arm is stuck, is 268 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: hung up in the seatbelt sling. And as they're going 269 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: down the road, you mentioned the weight of the car 270 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: and just slipping out of gear for a little bit. 271 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: I have had that happen. I actually have hat, yes, and. 272 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: Maybe twenty feet and in that twenty feet I watched 273 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: the life go behind. I mean, you know, your life 274 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: passes because you can't stop. A car is really heavy, friends, 275 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: and once they get moving, they don't stop, and you're 276 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: one person you don't stick your leg out. It's not 277 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: a go cart when you're a kid. A car is 278 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: two tons of moving ballistic missile. And you're talking about 279 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 2: getting speed, You're talking about being seventy three years old. 280 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: You've just been beaten up by surprise, and now you're 281 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: being drugged down the street. You're being drug Your arm 282 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: is the only reason you're not falling off the car 283 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 2: is because your arm is hung up. Your legs are 284 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: dragging your body, your towards everything is dragging at some 285 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: point in time, and the only thing holding you in 286 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: is the seat belt that has got your like a 287 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: sling on your arm. 288 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me stop here and ask you this question. 289 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: Just and forgive my language, y'all, but I got to 290 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: ask this question, my friend, Dave. Dave, do you think 291 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: that if this had been a grown ass man, mister 292 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: ron Ree would have been a tempted to do this. 293 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: No way. You're talking about a seventy two, seventy three 294 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: year old ground Yeah, and you're going to attack her 295 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: from the rear like this and it takes you got 296 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: Let's call it a crew because it is a crew. Yeah, 297 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a carjacking crew. He's got three others 298 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: that don't say oh stop and not run away. No, no, no, 299 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: They pile in. They pile in to lend his car 300 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: on top of it. Right, and they know there's a plan. Witness, 301 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: he's merely the first one in. But you're right, they 302 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: all three pile in. They're all equal criminals. 303 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: The fact that they're not all being treated the same 304 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: bothers me a lot, because you're right, Joe. At no 305 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 2: time did any of them say stop, we can't do this. 306 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: Stop please, you're hurting her. Stop nobody did you know? 307 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: The only people who did that were the people outside, 308 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: horrifically standing by watching this happen, screaming please stop, while 309 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: the seventy three year old grandma is saying please stop please. 310 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: You know when you mentioned that a minute ago, wo 311 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: man out for her jog after her yoga. Here's the 312 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: pleading of a grandma, a seventy three year old woman 313 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: being drug to her death. And there's people in the 314 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: car that could stop it. Not one of them has 315 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: the can make it happen, It can make it stop. 316 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: An eighteen year old man did it. 317 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it goes you know, it goes back to 318 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: this idea of you know, you begin to think how 319 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: morally bankrupt would you have to be in order to 320 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: engage in this kind of behavior where you're not capable 321 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: of showing any kind of any kind of mercy for 322 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: this poor woman, some level of empathy, because certainly, in 323 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: a car like this, and it's not a big car, 324 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: you could certainly hear her screaming. You would have to 325 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: have an awareness of what happened. But this is what 326 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: I do know, and you know, per the witnesses, the 327 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: car travels two blocks down range from where they're stopped, 328 00:20:54,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: and Linda's arm is caught in you know as you 329 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: you called it a sling, And I think that's kind 330 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: of accurate because the belt and I've had this happen 331 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: before on cases that I've worked, but not like this. 332 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: These were accidental events. They make no mistake. This is 333 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: no accident her arm was caught and it gives the 334 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: impression that it is caught up to the shoulder. And 335 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: all the while, according to witnesses, her clothing is being 336 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: twisted as well, because she's spinning kind of outside, almost 337 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: like she's in a tumble dryer. And we have to 338 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: factor this in as well, as she's going over the surface. 339 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: As she's going over this hard concrete surface, stable and 340 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: it's picking up speed. Man, she's bouncing along. She doesn't 341 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: have the benefit of sitting in a car seat. She's 342 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: not safely buckled in. She's outside the cabin of this 343 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: car and every and trust me, if New Orleans roads 344 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: are not smooth, they're horrible as a matter of fact, 345 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: notorious for poles and bumps, and they're always shifting. Because 346 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: everything's below sea level. It's the most uneven environment that 347 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: you could ever be in. And she's been drugged along 348 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: the surface and I can't even imagine what would be 349 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: going through her mind. But this car is just out 350 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: of control. Well, it's under his control, under Henri's control 351 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: for two blocks. And here's the thing. Witnesses see this. 352 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: As the car is traveling, the car actually hops the curb, 353 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: day hops the curb and it doesn't stop. He still 354 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: got the door open and kicking her in the head 355 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you, and I got to tell you. 356 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: I know you well enough to know this is going 357 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: to make the blood vessels on the side of your 358 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: neck poke out. He was heard to say, you gonna die, 359 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: screaming that sink in just for a second. And he's 360 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: kicking her in the head. So he's assaulting her with 361 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: his foot, blunt force trauma to the head. We have 362 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: to think that at least by this time her shoulders 363 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: at least dislocated as he's now hopping the curb. But 364 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: that's not where this ends. Where it ends is that 365 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: he passes by dave a utility pole and if any 366 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: of us and many of us can identify with this, 367 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: you have a utility pole and they'll have this kind 368 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: of galvanized steel cable that comes down from them that 369 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: kind of anchors them in place. Apparently what had happened 370 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: is as the car passed by the utility pole, guidewire 371 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: actually tore her arm off, ripped it away, cut it off, 372 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: they're saying, torn. Along with that, it strips every bit 373 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: of the clothing off of her body and she winds up. Dave. 374 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: You know, we we think about how helpless she was 375 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: in those moments right before this finality. Here and there 376 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: she is, Dave, lying in the middle of the road, 377 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: absent an arm, her car disappearing down the road, and 378 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: she's nude. The force of the scene actually ripped her 379 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: clothes off. It's a final indignity, Dave. And for the witnesses. 380 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: One of these ladies had run back into her home. 381 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I know that it 382 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: would be me. I'd be frozen in the yard. I 383 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: couldn't believe what my eyes were telling me. Ran into 384 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: the home and grabbed a pink cover that she had, 385 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: she called it pink. Ran out beside Linda as she 386 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: lay in the street, nude, covered her with a with 387 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: this pink covering, and looked at her. And the final 388 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: thing that Linda Fricky heard was them saying or praying, 389 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: a case like this from a forensics perspective, you you 390 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: would believe that we would have a very specific cause 391 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: of death. And I'm sure that many of you all 392 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: that are listening to Dave and I right now are thinking, well, 393 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: I know precisely what killed her. Well, I got to 394 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: tell you this is such a dynamic event, Dave, that 395 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: it's one of these things kind of you know, kind 396 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: of you make a choice. There's there's a list of 397 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: things that you can kind of call upon to to 398 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: say what the cause of death is. 399 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about this because there was 400 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 2: a story out of Florida a couple of years ago 401 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: where a police officer was being drug He was right 402 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: and he was holding onto the driver's side door as 403 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: the criminal took off, and because of bodycam footage you 404 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: could actually see him holding on him from CCT cameras. 405 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: How he was able to hold himself up. This is 406 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: a man who's in shape and everything else. And what 407 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: I noticed in that compared to this okay, right, right, right, 408 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: and in shape police officer wearing his uniform and having 409 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: shoes and all that that being drug as far as 410 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: he was, which was not a whole lot further than 411 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: Miss Fricky was. 412 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: His shoes. 413 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: The souls have been worn all the way down to 414 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: the bunt to where it cut into his feet. The 415 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: asphalt was cutting. You can see bone on his feet. 416 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: That's how bad that is. 417 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: Cool. 418 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: It showed where other parts where he had lost his 419 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: balance briefly and was drugged along the pavement where it 420 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: scraped skin off, just you know, and it ripped clothing 421 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: first and the skin right with it, I mean, and 422 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 2: it showed. He was out of work for a year 423 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: or so recovering from and he survived. He did not 424 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: get beaten ahead of time. He did not have his 425 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: arm tore off. He got you know, he actually did 426 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: finally get off the car. But I was thinking about 427 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: that when you were describing what this seventy three year 428 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: old grandmother went through after getting beaten in the car 429 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: by the eighteen year old John Henrie. Beats her and 430 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: he keeps beating her, that's the whole thing. He keeps 431 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: beating She can't get out fast enough. He's beating her 432 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: and beating her as they're going in on the road. 433 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: She can't get out of his way. 434 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: She can't. 435 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: She's hung up in this seatbelt. She can't get he's 436 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: still beating her. He's and I like pictures of the 437 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: other three women, they're cheerly on. But I'm thinking about 438 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: that police officer and how the damage that he had 439 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: to his legs and feet, how much worse it was 440 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: for a seventy three year old grandmother not in the 441 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: best shape of her life, you know, I mean, my goodness, 442 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: I'm not in the shape I was ten years ago. 443 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: And all I like in picture is when you talk 444 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 2: about the neighbor bringing a blanket out just after seeing 445 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: such a horrific thing, at least there is some humanity 446 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: to leave her with a little sense of dignity about 447 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: herself in this horrific time. 448 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: Oh, and you know I was I'm glad you said this, Dave, 449 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about this before we started taping today. 450 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, there would be days when 451 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: we would go into the Morgan and there would be 452 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: so many bodies that we would have to do. Many 453 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: times you'd walk in and each you know you have 454 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: sometimes you'll in some of the morgus I worked in, 455 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: you had multiple tables that were pushed up to the sinks. 456 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: I think the biggest one I ever worked in, we 457 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: had like eight bodies on movable trays that were sitting 458 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: there and each body was waiting to be autopsy. And 459 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: then there were more in the cooler that had to 460 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: come out and be autopsy that day. So you would 461 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: just start going down the line and in that environment 462 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: it is it's it gets, it gets, there's redundancy with it, 463 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: there's tedium with it sometimes. But Dave, even even in 464 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: that environment, you would stand over, you know, Miss Fricky's 465 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: remains and you would look at them, and this would 466 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: give even the most hardened medical legal personnel pause because 467 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: as you you you see her laid there before you, 468 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: and the trauma that she had sustained. You mentioned the 469 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: police officer down in Florida, and this is an excellent point. 470 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Linda would have had what's referred to as road road rash. 471 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: Literally you people hear that and they don't really know 472 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: what it is, but it's a when you're on this 473 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: this surface and you can imagine like a poored asshualt 474 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: or you know, some kind of cement surface and you're 475 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: being drug across it, you're gonna have these deep you're 476 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: gonna have superficial, and you're gonna have even deeper upbraided 477 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: areas where your skin is actually being peeled off. In 478 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: the dynamics of this event, Dave, it sounds as though, man, 479 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: that she is almost spinning on her axis, you know, 480 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 1: like this, So it's not just going to be like 481 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: on the back or on the side, or on the abdomen. 482 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna have evidence of this because they went for 483 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: two blocks and she's she's alive. She's a live Remember 484 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: remember what I said. They said they heard her say 485 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: please stop, please, She's begging for her life. 486 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: That was one of the things that came up in court. 487 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: You could have stopped anytime, anytime, anytime. You could have 488 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: stopped in the car when you realized it was an 489 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: old woman, you could have stopped. 490 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 491 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: Any of the three women could have could have jumped 492 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: out as it stopped. They could have stopped it. Anything 493 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: could have happened that didn't happen. And that's where you 494 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: want to know where evil lives in the heart of 495 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: this soul that could do this. 496 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You know. You know you think, well, 497 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: if he has a grandma, would he have done this 498 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 1: to his grandma? You know? And that gives you pause. 499 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: But when an interesting point was made. You remember how 500 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned the lady that came out with a blanket, Yeah, 501 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: to try to aid her. One of the things that 502 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: she recalled, and this is very powerful. She sits there 503 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: and she says, I was looking at her. I was thinking, 504 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: where's the blood? Because the one thing she did recognize 505 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: that I'm revealing right now is that Linda's arm, along 506 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: with her clothing had been torn away, torn away, and 507 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: you would think that you would see a copious amount 508 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: of blood pouring from her box even if she was 509 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: not still alive. There is a report that said that 510 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: she was not deceased immediately that there, you know, she's 511 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: still there. And they literally watched her pass away in 512 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 1: the middle of this dirty street in mid city New Orleans, 513 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: and you know, they're hovering over her telling her that 514 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: we're we're praying for you. But her arm was actually 515 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: torn away, but she wasn't presenting with a lot of blood. 516 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: And you know this this trial, the sentencing just has 517 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: wrapped up, and we'll get to that moment for Henri. 518 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: The other individuals, the other three individuals have previously been 519 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: sent because they played guilty immediately. Not Henri. Not Henri. 520 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: He did not, He did not. He wanted to go 521 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: to trial and his trial wound up last in one day. 522 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: But the pathologist for the Orleans Parish Corners Office testified 523 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: in this case, Dave and let me, if you'll permit me, 524 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: just let me tell you what her primary injuries were. 525 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: First off, they classified her death the immediate cause of 526 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: death as blunt force injuries or blunt force trauma. And 527 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: that does make sense because she's being pummeled, you know, 528 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: going down the road, being drug along. But her aorda 529 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: is torn, which is, if you'll think about your heart 530 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: and the position of your heart, off of the very 531 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: top of your heart, the largest vessel in human body, 532 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: the root of it is in the top of the heart. 533 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: Essentially it comes off and kind of arches down. One 534 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: of the things we look for at autopsy and particularly 535 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: in car accidents is the most fragile part of the 536 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: orda is what's referred to as the ortic arch. It's 537 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: very fragile, so where it actually makes the curve where 538 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: it's going to drop down and travels down the spine 539 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: then eventually splits into the femoral arteries and all that. 540 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: That's one of the most fragile spots, particularly in car 541 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: accidents or blunt force trauma to the chest, and so 542 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: you can get this ripping that takes place there. And 543 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: in addition to that, Linda suffered a fractured collar bone. 544 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: Makes sense if you're driving up on a curb and 545 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: she's being drug along. You can imagine, I've broken my 546 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: collarbone before, very painful. She also had multiple fractured ribs, 547 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: which again goes along with blunt force trauma where she's 548 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: being banged around. And then finally she had fractured for 549 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: tebral bodies as well. So she's all of this is occurring, 550 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: this dynamic is occurring all in her upper body. That 551 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's not injuries to her lower body. But 552 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: back to the order. Remember what I said about the 553 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: lady not seeing any blood. You recall that when she 554 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: got there and she's looking down. Can you imagine looking 555 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: down and you see this location where Linda's arm used 556 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: to be, you know, the one that used to hold 557 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: her grandchildren, And she's thinking, I can only imagine there's 558 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: there's no blood here. And I think personally that the 559 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: reason she didn't see a lot of blood is probably 560 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: due to the fact that she had this ruptured day order. 561 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: And when you get a ruptured day order and your 562 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: heart is still pumping, your chest cavity is literally filling 563 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: up with blood. Now this to me, if you're if 564 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: you're if you're seeking some shred of comfort, or mercy. 565 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: When you hear this horrible tale of Linda's death, you're 566 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: thinking that if the aorda is compromised, if it's blown 567 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: out or torn, perhaps just perhaps she's sinking away. She's 568 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: sinking away and she's losing consciousness. She didn't have to 569 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: feel the pain, because I can tell you, David, I 570 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: don't know of anything that could potentially be more painful 571 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: than this, with these multiple broken bones and certainly an 572 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: arm that's been torn away. 573 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking where you said there was the woman 574 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 2: didn't see blood. She's expecting to see blood. I expect 575 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: to see blood. Then you mentioned the order. So the 576 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: blood is in the chest cavity, but it's not going 577 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: to come out from where the arm. It's not going 578 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: to come out from other parts of the body that 579 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: have been damaged. Is it because the blood isn't the 580 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: heart's not pumping anymore, it just can't come out, right. 581 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: That's that's my theory and what happens. 582 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: That actually makes sense, though, Joe, it really does. I 583 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: couldn't figure that out when you told me earlier that 584 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: the question was where's the blood? She covered her with 585 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: a pink blanket, but where's the blood. 586 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: And that with that whatever that tear was in her 587 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: order is pumping out blood. First off, it'll go into 588 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: the pair cardial sack perhaps that surrounds the heart UH, 589 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: and that's called a tampa nod. But if it if 590 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: other elements within the anatomy are ripped away, that her 591 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: chest would be filling with blood. Her lungs would literally 592 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: be floating blood. And you know, when you do a 593 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: case like this and you open the body at autopsy, 594 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: it is not uncommon to see the lungs actually floating 595 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: in the chest in blood. And this is one of 596 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: the reasons like when you if if you've ever seen 597 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: somebody that has to go into the emergency room and 598 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: they have what's referred to as like a flail chest, 599 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: like blunt impact in a car accident, one of the 600 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: things that will occur is that in between in the 601 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: intercostal spaces in the UH in the chest, that's the 602 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: the muscle in between the ribs. They'll cut a hole 603 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: in there and they'll put a tube and the tube 604 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: will drain out all of that blood because one of 605 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: the things that happens is that you're suffocating because your 606 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: your lungs can't expand to take on more air, and 607 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: of course they'll have to surgically repair this if it's possible. 608 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: A order is a very tricky thing, so you would 609 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: have to have a cardiothoracic surgeon standing by right there 610 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: in order to facilitate this to save her life. And 611 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: my only hope here, Dave, is that is that she 612 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel any any more pain than she had already. 613 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that she didn't suffer, is what I'm saying, 614 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: any more than she had to, because God knows her 615 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: family suffered. Her family suffered in you know, those people 616 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: that bore witness to this suffered. 617 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 2: When it comes down to having to make a decision 618 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: on what cause of death really was, do you have 619 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 2: to go through each injury and kind of build a 620 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 2: timetable of when it took place so that you can 621 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 2: get to because you can certainly suffer a lot, a 622 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: lot of injuries in like this. I mean, you you're 623 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 2: suffering injuries when you're getting beaten in the front of 624 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 2: the car. Any one of those, any one of those 625 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: shots to her head her body could have been a 626 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 2: could have caused your death. And I'm just wondering, do 627 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: you have to build that timeline of injury from the 628 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: very first injury to the very last one and decide 629 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 2: which one of these was the fatal one or how 630 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: many were fatal. 631 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: I guess this is a fantastic question because in forensics, 632 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: one of the things that investigators will ask us to 633 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: do is sequence injuries. You know what injuries came first. 634 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: But from our perspective, in our analysis, from a scientific standpoint, 635 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: we're thinking which injuries are the most impactful, what's going 636 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: to have the highest probability of bringing about death, What 637 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: is the most catastrophic thing that she suffered. And I'm 638 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: very interested in the fact that the aorda was listed, 639 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised because out of all of my 640 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: years of working in the Morgan certainly investigating cases out 641 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: on the streets, aortas are one of those things that 642 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: is it's almost one hundred percent surety that you're going 643 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,479 Speaker 1: to die. If you can't be meta act some way 644 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: to a hospital that has the level of treatment trauma 645 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: treatment that would be available that could stem this, you 646 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 1: don't have any chance whatsoever of surviving. And certainly that's 647 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: the case with Linda Frickey. 648 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 3: But do they know when that happened. 649 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: Do they know when that happens. 650 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: I know we've got video. We have video of the 651 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 2: beating that took place in the car. We've got different 652 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 2: camera angles going from the very beginning to the end, 653 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: which is I cannot imagine how horrific that was and 654 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 2: is for the family as well, as You've mentioned the 655 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 2: witnesses several times, and I'm glad sometimes we forget that. Yeah, 656 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 2: family hurts, Those closest hurt. But when you're a part 657 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 2: of something, you cannot affect change, You cannot help this person. 658 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 2: It's done, and you're just what you become a victim 659 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 2: of the crime by extension. Yes, And I'm just curious, 660 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: you know, in that we get to see all of 661 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: this as you put it together. Could that have happened 662 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 2: early on or at the end? 663 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: I think that if you're this could be one of 664 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: two things. This could either be what's referred to as 665 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: a torquing or torsion injury, where she's twisted to the 666 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: point that the a order would tear. My suspicion is 667 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: is that she probably sustained literal blunt force trauma. Perhaps 668 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: if people at home will put your your fingertips right 669 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: on top of your sternum, like really near the top 670 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: that approximates the area where your aor to sit. So 671 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: she was impacted, say, for instance, on that curb when 672 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: he jumped the curb, that could be when this started. 673 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: And remember her arm was not, according to what the 674 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: witnesses were saying, was not torn away until after he 675 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: hit that post or after he hit that guide wire, 676 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: I guess, is how we could actually call it. And 677 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: it was clipped away, and her clothing was all twisted 678 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: up in there along with the arm as well, and 679 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: so but yeah, to say that it actually happened at 680 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: this precise moment that I think that that would be 681 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: very very difficult. It's not you know, if you had somebody, 682 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: like if you had a static event with like a shooting, 683 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: and you had it on video and you could see 684 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: the shooting where somebody's actually struck in the chest and 685 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: they died and you open their body and they were 686 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: clipped in the order, you could say it then. But 687 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: everything so, even though we have CCTV footage, you can't 688 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: see what's going on internally, and they were not able 689 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: to appreciate that until they got her to the morgue. 690 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: Even though you knew that it was going to be 691 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: bad based on what you were seeing externally. 692 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 2: So what happens now, Joe, when you have something like 693 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 2: this where it gets to this point where you're you 694 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 2: you've got this laundry list of medical issues when you 695 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: go to court, do you have to explain all of 696 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 2: these things to jury so they understand Do they have 697 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 2: to know what happened from the very beginning of the 698 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 2: attack till the very end or can you gain planet differently? 699 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: No? I think in this case, and my understanding, this 700 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: is what the prosecutor did. They laid this thing out 701 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: very very precisely. And the two key witnesses here are 702 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 1: going to be those eyewitnesses, the man and the woman. 703 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: There were other ones, but there were two in particular 704 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: that are constantly quoted in the news, and of course 705 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist. I think that the fact that such 706 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: horror could be painted and I can only imagine, and 707 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just kind of projecting here, but when that 708 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist begins to give her testimony in this trial, 709 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: and that is coupled with what the eyewitnesses saw, can't 710 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: you just see that jury cutting their eyes over there 711 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: at that table where Henri is sitting. Because I can 712 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: tell you a lot of those the jury members, probably 713 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: the Linonship, many people don't leave New Orleans. New Orleanians 714 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: through and through these people have lived. They're very familiar 715 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: with this area of town. It's not like New Orleans 716 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: is this gigantic place. They know where mid City is, 717 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: they know where Scott Boulevard is, all right, they know 718 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: where Bnville is. 719 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 2: Just like you did when you were explaining it to me, 720 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 2: even though you've been gone from there for years, you 721 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 2: were able to explain to me where we were talking about. 722 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: And that's part of being from New Orleans and understanding 723 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: the fine detail. Because they know all those people in 724 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: the jury, they know what the streets are like, they 725 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 1: know what those curves are like, they know what violence 726 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: is like. They've borne witness to it or had family members. 727 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: But I don't know that any of them walked into 728 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: that court thinking that they were going to see something 729 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: so barbaric. And that's really the only way I think, 730 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: you know, on one level, this would make Romans blush, 731 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 1: you know when you think about what that neighborhood had 732 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: to bear witness to with missus Fricky's murder, and in 733 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: this particular case, I think that I'm hoping Dave and 734 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: I try to really be very positive about these sorts 735 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: of things, because look, I could chime in and be 736 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: just as negative as everybody else. I'm hoping that Miss 737 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: Fricky's death will actually be a moment in time where 738 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: people will look back and say, we can do better 739 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: than this. We're going to do better than this. We're 740 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: going to keep control over our kids, We're going to 741 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: know where they're at, and we're going to try to 742 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: teach them right for wrong. Because I got to tell you, Dave, 743 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: if this is the direction that we're all going in, 744 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: it's very very grim. I think that it's important to 745 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: note that John Henri was actually found guilty after a 746 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: one day trial of second degree murder, and he has 747 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: been sentenced to spend at least the next twenty five 748 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: years in prison in Angola. The only reason he was 749 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,919 Speaker 1: spared the death penalty was that he was seventeen years 750 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: old when he committed this. Holy Side, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 751 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: and this is body batt